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The result was Speedy Delete done by MZMcBride -- pb30<talk> 16:29, 14 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

On the Ning Nang Nong (TV Series)[edit]

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Another hoax created by RabbitHawk. I would have speedied it but it's not an obvious enough hoax to count as a speedy. Masaruemoto 02:40, 5 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. Sr13 20:07, 10 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Holly Phillips[edit]

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Delete - non-notable; no references CBSfan 21:54, 5 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. Seraphimblade Talk to me 07:15, 13 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Arnold Walfred Lindall[edit]

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written by someone named Terrance Lindall, this seems like a vanity page written by a relative. Postcard Cathy 15:31, 30 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

You can't judge by the looks of the page. Family write similar pages for people of distinction as for people of no distinction; faculty typically write too much or too little if they do it themselves; students usually omit the important things when they do a favorite professor; PR people sound like PR people anywhere; the only way a good WP page gets written is when someone very familiar with WP writes it. DGG 04:59, 31 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was DELETE. The two merge commentors were split, suggesting merge into different articles. That leaves Delete. Herostratus 02:15, 11 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

List of songs by Avril Lavigne[edit]

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I've considered nominating this article for deletion on and off for a while now. It's borderline but IMO, it crosses the line into listcruft and 'an indiscriminate collection of information'. I can find no record online of many of these supposed 'cover versions' and 'remixes' and I suspect that there's been quite a bit of false information added since the article was created. Kurt Shaped Box 23:53, 5 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was no consensus. The keepers have failed to fully meet the nominator's objections with two of the three keepers arguing against deletion based on allowing more time for development. TerriersFan 16:31, 11 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Posse Cat[edit]

Fails WP:NOT#INFO. The article is a plot summary; policy states that articles on fiction and media "should contain real-world context and sourced analysis, offering detail on a work's achievements, impact or historical significance, not solely a summary of that work's plot." I see no sources available that would enable creation of such an article. Contested prod. MastCell Talk 23:46, 5 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I've just noticed that this highly questionable nomination was made by an admin. It would be a good idea if any other AFD nominations they make are watched closely by any experienced admin reading this. Especially if they start AFDing Warner Bros or Disney shorts for the same reasons. Something's seriously wrong when an admin makes a nomination like this. 172.209.136.217 22:43, 6 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Comment: Easy there. This isn't personal, so please don't personalize it. You've clearly been around, so you should know better. The sources you've found are brief plot summaries. They do not establish notability. Wikipedia is not a repository of plot summaries, and your sources don't allow expansion of the article into anything else. MastCell Talk 23:13, 6 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment: Yes, if it had those things it would be a keeper. But I couldn't find any such sources, and despite all the heat above, no one has produced them. As it is now, the article fails WP:NOT#INFO, and I don't see sources being produced to get over that bar. MastCell Talk 17:14, 7 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was keep. Sr13 08:23, 10 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Glen Waverley Secondary College[edit]

As Schoolcruft. A bad article asserting no notability, no citations or references to reliable sources, or anywhere information can be verified. Thewinchester (talk) 23:45, 5 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. W.marsh 22:25, 11 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Gamelux[edit]

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unsourced, non notable, reads like an advertisement SWATJester Denny Crane. 23:16, 5 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. Normally a closer doesn't do this, but I looked at the full NYT article via Proquest and it was a trivial mention that only compounds the confusion here, we just need better sources than the ones that we have so far. If anyone wants to work on this article I will make the content available to you. W.marsh 22:15, 11 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Kechia Jenkins[edit]

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Apparently this person is "now a monument in the Gospel arena". But there are no sources to support it (are there ever?) Guy (Help!) 22:31, 5 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Keep - Since being a former artist and several other professions, there's no reason whatsoever to delete the article. Although, the article is a complete mess and a major clean-up is required along with additionnal expansion and more sources required.--JForget 02:07, 6 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Capitalistroadster 07:42, 6 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was keep. Can't sleep, clown will eat me 09:00, 11 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

William Crano[edit]

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Generic professor. Worthy, but not encyclopaedic. Guy (Help!) 22:17, 5 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. Seraphimblade Talk to me 07:19, 13 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

International reaction to Bronze Soldier relocation[edit]

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This is now our 8th "International reaction to..." article. Like all the others, it deals with a 2006/7 event. Like all the others, it's also probably unnecessary. It smacks of recentism (shouldn't we first have "International reactions to the German invasion of Poland", "International reactions to the Bombing of Pearl Harbor", "International reactions to the North Korean invasion of South Korea", etc?). Many of the reactions, from countries like Tajikistan, Israel, Norway or Georgia, are not of encyclopedic value. I wouldn't mind keeping a couple of key reactions in the main body of the text - let's say one each from Estonia, Russia and the EU, and indeed those are still there. However, the Bronze Soldier already has an 80kb article and the story is, all things considered, not such a big deal. Let's keep some perspective here and delete this lengthy digression. WP:NOT#IINFO, if you want a specific policy basis. Biruitorul 23:29, 5 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

  • Comment: if the Bronze Soldier article was getting too long and messy, perhaps the section on international reaction should simply be tightened up, condensed, and made to fit into one clear, concise paragraph. (Getting rid of all those little flags would be a good start.) I personally find these little split-off sub-articles annoying and unnecessary, not to mention potentially confusing. I like to fit as much information into main articles as possible. K. Lásztocska 03:33, 6 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • To be honest, I would have preferred that as well. But unfortunately there are some users (one of them got permanently blocked two days ago, though) who would have labeled it as "Estonian vandalism" and started a revert war. Article about Bronze Soldier was coming nicely along, but now the editing has more or less stopped because of those users - which may have been what they wanted all along. DLX 05:04, 6 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Comment: Notable reactions are in main article already - two from Estonian officials, two from Russian officials. One from EU, one from NATO, one from UN - and yet I was accused of vandalism and trolling, "You should Return The reaction back or drop all reaction from the Soldier. Given your trolling history, each war could be your last war." DLX 05:50, 6 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Comment: May be a case for inclusion in the main article of German and possibly other Baltic states' reactions to the issue; I agree that the main notable reactions are included already. Bigdaddy1981 18:34, 6 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]
No strong objections; but then someone should put back at least a few most notable statements.Biophys 16:04, 9 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Fully agree on that. See how easy is to find a compromise? Turgidson 22:00, 12 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was keep. W.marsh 22:07, 11 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Rose (goat)[edit]

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Nowhere near being notable. It's a goat, for Pete's sake. Prod contested. Sean William @ 23:28, 5 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

  • I agree the event may be notable, but how is the goat itself informative in any way? (H) 05:12, 6 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Please see WP:N#Notability_is_not_temporary. If a subject passes the notability guidelines at any point in time, it is notable, and remains so indefinitely. --Ashenai 08:35, 6 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Bullshit.--Docg 08:39, 6 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]
That's not an argument. Please try to remain constructive. --Ashenai 08:45, 6 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Well stop and think. What the press note today is not necessarily notable in any enduring sense. Then read what you linked to, because it says "a burst of news coverage about a subject does not provide objective evidence of long-term notability"--Docg 08:58, 6 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]
I did read the page, and it's clear to me that my original reply ("if a subject passes the notability guidelines at any point in time, it is notable, and remains so indefinitely") is 100% founded in policy. Our job is to determine whether it passes the notability guidelines, not to speculate on whether it will still be popular in 10 years. --Ashenai 09:13, 6 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Is there 'objective evidence of long-term notability"?--Docg 09:14, 6 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]
I'm not sure, and that's a much better argument than "it's a goat, for god's sake". I believe there is: I posit that any peson (well, entity) with a BBC obit is notable enough for Wikipedia. Is there even a single counter-example, other than the subject in question? --Ashenai 09:23, 6 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]
The BBC, as with most media outlets, routinely collects light-hearted human interest stories to run as the proverbial Dead donkey at the end of the news. That does not make them notable. Unless we are allowing the BBC to do our thinking for us. WP:NOT a newspaper.--Docg 11:36, 6 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Fair enough. But this brouhaha made it into at least four separate major media outlets. Certainly, Wikipedia shouldn't include everyhing that makes it into a newspaper. But insisting that something is non-notable after it's been covered in the BBC, the Times, Fox News, and the Daily Mail (which, admittedly, is a tabloid) seems like just being hard-headed. The subject matter is obviously absurd, but so is AYBABTU. We're not here to judge that. --Ashenai 11:45, 6 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Yes, but news services are lazy. They crib and copy. That a 'sex with goat' story got grabbed by the press networks is neither surprising nor notable.--Docg 11:49, 6 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]
That's a fair point. I'm now ambivalent on the issue. I feel that this goat is right on the edge of Wikipedia's notability guidelines. --Ashenai 11:55, 6 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]
The fact that the story has retained traction - coverage has lasted over a year - is enough to distinguish it from the majority of fleeting news stories. The article meets the policies and guidelines, so the real question is whether we want to allow room on WP for this kind of light-hearted fare. My feeling is that we should, if the content meets our criteria; we can take a harder line against the stuff that is less well sourced or more obviously a flash in the pan.--Kubigula (talk) 17:55, 6 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]
I agree that they are both arguments, which is why I showed that they are fallacious arguments. "It's a goat" is a fallacious argument because we have (justified, uncontroversial, stable) articles about far more trivial objects. "It's an Internet fad" is fallacious because we have (justified, uncontroversial, stable) articles about Internet fads, see AYBABTU.
Your argument appears to boil down to two main points. The first is the "it's a fad" argument, which I've addressed, above. The second is "it's humiliating to the person involved, which I must admit gives me more pause. To be quite honest, I never quite know how to interpret that bit of policy. --Ashenai 09:20, 6 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment. I happen to disagree with Sean William as to this particular article, but I see no signs that this was a bad faith nomination or designed to make a point. The article falls into one of the gray areas under WP:N and WP:NOT, and reasonable people can disagree about how those principles apply.--Kubigula (talk) 22:35, 6 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • What you perceive as a forte, I perceive as a failing. (H) 00:08, 7 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • You sincerely think this will pass the 100 year test? Or show up in a regular encyclopedia? If either of those happen I will eat my user page. (H) 13:41, 7 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]
    Yeah, even if nothing else, there'll be stupid trivia questions like "Who was the only goat to have been legally married to a human?" or something like that. I'd say be prepared to eat your user page. McKay 15:01, 7 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]
The main point is that the goat itself is not notable (the article is named after the goat), the story is notable only because of media coverage. Since the goat is dead, the article will never rise above stub class, this is wholly unencyclopedic to have an article on a name of a goat assigned by the media just because of a bestiality case in Sudan. If it were apart of an article that included a lot more information about related cases, then it might be encylopedic, you can make an article about every story in the 'odd news' section of a newspaper, it would be easy to fill up wikipedia with 1000s of such articles, what makes this story so special? I should add that it would be more encyclopedic to have the article named after the individual accused of bestiality with the goat, and the laws regarding his case in Sudan, but then I bet many of the people voting 'keep' would be voting delete as he is non notable. Bleh999 08:00, 8 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]
It's not really what I call a 'short burst' though. I was frequently popping in and out of the 'most read' section of the BBC News site for over a year, and the story was spread over a year with an obituary. How often do you get an obituary for an 'and finally' story - an obituary about the GOAT, noless? This is more than a simple amusing news item. --Darksun 10:57, 10 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Newscruft has already been cited above as a reason for deletion. Although I recognize it's not a policy, it closely ties in with WP:NOT in that Wikipedia is not an indiscriminate collection of information, relating to News reports. "The fact that someone or something has been in the news for a brief period of time does not automatically justify an encyclopedia article." I think that strongly relates to this subject matter. María (habla conmigo) 16:50, 11 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Okay, sure. That policy does apply here. Just like Wikipedia is not a dictionary. This goat is not a dictionary entry, nor is this goat something that has been in the news for a brief period of time. The goat had news references spanning 3 years. That doesn't really qualify as a "brief period of time". McKay 17:21, 11 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Other than the initial newsbreak, its subsequent rehashings of the same story, and the humorous obituary that followed a year later, this news event is at best a blip on the radar. I would categorize it as both brief and unsubstantial. María (habla conmigo) 18:26, 11 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was delete. >Radiant< 12:01, 7 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Asia Link[edit]

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orphaned for many months, I don't see this as a notable organization based on what is presented in the article. If it was more notable, even as is, other articles would link to it. Combine the orphan status and lack of notability shown in the article, I don't see why this is a wiki worthy article. Postcard Cathy 20:40, 30 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]


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The result was no consensus. >Radiant< 12:01, 7 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

European Retail Round Table[edit]

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Propose delete on grounds that this is not a notable trade association. Article has list of big retailers as members, but cites no external references other than its webiste. I think this could also be deleted as spam, as in some ways you could say the article is an advert for a (shadowy) lobby group.--Gavin Collins 20:04, 30 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]


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The result was delete & redirect, lack of content to merge. >Radiant< 12:02, 7 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Aqualand el Arenal[edit]

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I already sent the parent organization's article, Aqualand, to AfD. There's enough lag that I'm giving this article its own due process. Non-notable water park, no secondary sources cited. —C.Fred (talk) 23:18, 30 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]


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The result was no consensus. W.marsh 22:31, 12 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Springfield Isotopes[edit]

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Pure Simpsons fancruft, very little of note on the page. Pretty much the only reason it exists is because there is a real life Albuquerque Isotopes. However, that is really minor and can easily be mentioned at the section on the Springfield page. It seems unnecessary for this page to exist when there is already a section. Scorpion0422 23:23, 5 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

(after edit conflict) It appears that there used to be an article on the Squishee, but it was merged by Scorpion0422 less than two months ago, despite his belief that "odds are that it would be kept if it went through an afd". I just thought it worth mentioning, considering he uses that article's status to supplement his argument regarding this article. --Maxamegalon2000 03:31, 6 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]
You seem to have missed my point: Why create pages for marginally notable items, when they can have sections on big pages? The Isotopes page is a stub and there is no reason why it can't be merged. -- Scorpion0422 03:38, 6 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Well, I don't know about you, but I find big pages to be often distracting and tending to bury information in ways that individual articles don't. This isn't to say that there aren't times when a merge is appropriate, but there are times when it's not needed. FrozenPurpleCube 15:01, 7 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]
I see nothing to indicate these are random, unimportant, useless facts. The page is about a particular organization that is featured in several episodes of a major television show. Not random(it is specific), unimportant(it's featured in several episodes), or useless (given that many people are interested in the Simpsons, I can't see how we can say information on this is useless). Sorry. FrozenPurpleCube 01:53, 8 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Precedent has already been set on what Simpsons notability is. Dozens of character and item pages have been merged and many of them appeared in more episodes than the Isotopes. The way you mention them, you would think that they appeared on a weekly basis. They don't. The Isotopes played a background role in a few episodes, nothing more. Following your "logic" we could EASILY make 200+ pages relating to Simpsons characters, items and places but we don't because said information can be mentioned on the various group pages. -- Scorpion0422 02:08, 8 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Precedent is a poor argument to make here, this article was already nominated and kept. If we're going to go by that logic, then this discussion should just be closed. So, maybe that's not the way to go. But as I said before, if you want to make an argument for merge, then try to convince people of that. Deletion, however, doesn't make any sense to me. There are other venues for discussion of mergers than AFD. Use them. For example, the article's talk page. Since there's no discussion there, I can only assume you didn't try that option, despite the explicit suggestion to do so. Is there some reason you didn't? Did you think that another AFD would be more effective? So far, it hasn't been. FrozenPurpleCube 04:25, 8 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]
I would prefer that the page be deleted (hence the afd) but I am letting people know that there IS a place for a redirect to go, as that was in issue in the previous afd. -- 04:28, 8 June 2007 (UTC)
Your case for deletion has not been convincing from what I can tell. Sorry. Perhaps if you avoided terms like cruft, and made a better attempt to articular your position beyond rather exaggerated comments. Frankly, I think your choice of redirect is poor, maybe you should look for a better one. FrozenPurpleCube 04:52, 8 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Again, if you want to talk about merging this somewhere, that's an entirely different question. Try convincing folks of that instead on the talk page. FrozenPurpleCube 01:53, 8 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]
I've added some sources. --Maxamegalon2000 00:54, 12 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]
I think much of it is probably relevant to both articles, though I only added information that sources specifically connected to the Springfield Isotopes. My goal was to better establish the real-world influence of the Springfield Isotopes, so I didn't touch on other things about the Albuquerque team, such as their colors, stadium, or other nicknames considered. --Maxamegalon2000 01:16, 12 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was delete. W.marsh 21:51, 11 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Stefan Ottermanns[edit]

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Incomplete AfD by unregistered user. Previously, a different unregistered user who claims to be the individual in question on the article's talk page requested that the article be deleted. This is a procedural nomination. Therefore, I abstain. Seed 2.0 23:10, 5 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. W.marsh 22:33, 12 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Corporate Creations[edit]

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The grounds of this company's notability is contested and there has been thus far a demonstrated inability to provide verifiable reliable independent sources to establish notability. The article has been speedily deleted previously for copyright violation/no notability assertion. There is some form of notability assertion now, but the validity of it has been discussed a great deal, see Talk:Corporate Creations. Just as a note (not a deletion criteria, but still something to keep in mind), this article was created (and recreated) by User:Jimsfins4 who is an admitted employee of the company in question, so I take his assertions of the company's notability with a grain of salt in the absence of sources that I can see. At this point, I don't believe the company is notable given that the only seemingly non-trivial source I can verify is a paid advertisement section in Fortune magazine that was sponsored not by the company, but by an organization that they are a member of: [7] Cquan (after the beep...) 23:17, 5 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was Delete - possible hoax, probable nonsense, certainly not encyclopedic. Dweller 13:58, 6 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Haza[edit]

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Appears to be a hoax. I find no such reference in a Google search. The claims are specious and there is no verification via reliable sources. JodyB talk 22:58, 5 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. W.marsh 17:11, 11 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

A Tree Full of Secrets[edit]

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Subject of this article is an unverifiable and unnotable collection of bootleg recordings (i.e.: not released by the band) and the whole article is basically OR. Fails WP:MUSIC. The band that recorded them is notable, the songs themselves are perhaps notable, but a random bootleg collection of these songs is NOT notable and impossible to verify. All of the songs are available on a wide array of other bootlegs. Please discuss notability of the subject, not the individual songs as they are irrelevant to establishing whether this bootleg collection is verifiable and notable. The Parsnip! 16:56, 30 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Keep I've heard of it and seen it used as a source in numerous articles about Syd Barrett, Bob Klose, etc. 18,700 GHits. Notable collection. - Richfife 20:16, 30 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]


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The result was Speedily deleted at author's request --Steve (Stephen) talk 05:00, 6 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Heeshem[edit]

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Deleted a few days ago, recreated with different text, so not eligible under G4 - but then I attempted under CSD A7. A user deleted the CSD template, so I'm calling it contested, if not incorrectly. As near as I can tell, there is no notability for this company, and a Google search for this company turns up nothing that points to such an existence. Given circumstances and despite my opinion that this company is not notable, I am calling this procedural and am accordingly abstaining from !voting. Dennis The Tiger (Rawr and stuff) 22:43, 5 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete per the AfD on the main article. Sr13 20:17, 10 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Slobodan B. Iwanief[edit]

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Suspected hoax, Google only returns Wikipedia result DuncanHill 22:31, 5 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Comment see also Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Log/2007_June_5#Armenian_Court_of_Administrative_Appeals which is the alleged court in which this alleged person allegedly works. DuncanHill 22:39, 5 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was delete. - Mailer Diablo 09:05, 10 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

List of Sublime covered songs[edit]

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Delete - it is not notable that one artist simply sang a song of another artist. If a particular recorded cover is notable, then it should be mentioned in an article for the song and/or a discography for the recording artist. Otto4711 22:23, 5 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. Sr13 02:31, 10 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Holmegammage[edit]

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This town appears to be a hoax, judging by the lack of ghits for it: [9] and the fact Multimap.com does not find it either:[10]. There are no sources cited, and the major English place-name books, including A.D. Mills Dictionary of English Place-Names and also Eilert Ekwall's book on the subject, do not seem to have anything on it, and neither do any of the other books/material on English place-names. Unless sources can be found for this, I think it should probably be deleted per Wikipedia:Don't create hoaxes. --SunStar Net talk 20:19, 5 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. W.marsh 21:47, 11 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Ray Navarrete[edit]

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Non-notable subject. This player was a minor league player who now plays in the Atlantic League of Professional Baseball, an independent league. Fbdave 21:47, 5 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. Insufficient sourcing. I will reconsider if you can show me better sources. W.marsh 22:22, 11 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Horror Incorporated[edit]

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Questionable Notability: A local low budget TV show, shown after midnight (infer small audiences) with a non-notable cast. Senordingdong 21:47, 5 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was Keep. Award appears to meet the brick of WP:PORNBIO. (nonadmin) Navou 17:11, 10 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Olivia Saint[edit]

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The current version contains no assertion of notability (say by WP:PORNBIO), thus the article qualifies for deletion. Fresh 20:55, 5 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. Sr13 02:35, 10 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

List of songs about eating disorders[edit]

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More random listcruft. If we kept lists like this we would have lists like List of songs about water or List of songs about night. Tim Q. Wells 20:44, 5 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. Sr13 08:31, 10 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

The Promise (Chi Rho album)[edit]

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Nn album by nn band. Corvus cornix 20:42, 5 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was Withdrawn. John Vandenberg 19:50, 7 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Reverse 3 sign[edit]

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Originally ((prod))ed as non-notable non-standard medical term. Still appears non-notable, and I've run across other uses of the term in radiological diagnosis. — Arthur Rubin | (talk) 20:38, 5 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Ok I'm fine with that. I was considering adding it to a larger article talking about 'shorthand jargon of radiology' but if you'd like to merge it that's fine. I will be more cautious in the future. Chantoke 23:28, 5 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was keep. — CharlotteWebb 03:40, 9 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Prakash Vir Shastri Avenue[edit]

Non-notable street. Just because the person it was named after is notable and it has a notable landmark, does not make the street, itself notable. No source presented has more than a passing mention of the street. — Arthur Rubin | (talk) 20:32, 5 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was withdrawn, as merged. — Arthur Rubin | (talk) 17:52, 6 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Voice-to-note[edit]

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Appears to be used with this definition only in a few sources, including the reference. It may have other meanings. ((prod)) removed by article creator and sole editor. — Arthur Rubin | (talk) 20:30, 5 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

my apologies. was looking for your argument on the article itself's discussion page. i agree with merging it into a main article like Voice recording or whatever if such exists. Do not think it should be deleted. Chantoke 23:30, 5 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. Sr13 02:42, 10 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Glen Watts[edit]

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unsourced apparent vanity page, non-notable Smerus 20:32, 5 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was Speedied --Steve (Stephen) talk 09:50, 6 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Andrew Kindl[edit]

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Vanity page, not encyclopedic, and not notable EvilOverlordX 20:19, 5 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was keep. - Mailer Diablo 09:09, 10 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Five Wei Generals[edit]

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A term that's not historically used contemporaily, introduced by the novelilst Luo Guanzhong in his Romance of the Three Kingdoms that's not really independently significant. Delete. --Nlu (talk) 20:15, 5 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

(undent) Keep Notable element of ROTK. Ling.Nut 11:50, 6 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was keep. Sr13 02:50, 10 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

2008 UEFA qualifier fan attack[edit]

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Page not really needed as it is not a major part of the qualifying, it has its own section of the main article anyway Chaza93 19:39, 5 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete as no sources ever materialized W.marsh 17:35, 11 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Air Prishtina[edit]

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As pointed out on the talk page and confirmed by the company's website (in German), this is not an airline, but a travel agency. It does not operate aircraft, it charters them. No apparent notability under WP:CORP and no sources, either. Sandstein 19:04, 5 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

  • According to this discussion, the pictured airbus HB-IJZ was painted with the "Air Prishtina" livery for a few months in 2004, but the charter deal was apparently cancelled and the airbus now flies under the colours of another company. Sandstein 08:57, 6 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Again, this is for political reasons. The Serbian authorities will not allow Air Pristina to operate under its own AOC, and they are the aviation authorities in Kosovo at the moment. Until that changes, Air Pristina is forced to operate as it does. Rather than deleting the article, it should be expanded to reflect these political realities.
Well, yes, but it's still not an airline, it's a charter company. The article suggests otherwise. At any rate, per WP:CORP, we would need substantial coverage in independent reliabel sources for notability. The article has no sources at all, which is also a WP:V problem. Sandstein 11:45, 6 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]
It may be a new 'company' but an airline does not make it. Not even a start-up airline. It is what is commonly known as a paper airline, in that it operates no aircraft (even if they are painted in its livery), they have no crews, they have no AOC, they are not recognised by the ICAO/IATA in that they have no codes of their own. They are no different from Kosova Airlines (that was another paper airline which was operated by Hamburg International). I would stand by my delete stance, although it could be mentioned on Edelweiss Air and XL Airways (German) website that operations are undertaken to Pristina under the Air Prishtina name on behalf of the tour operator. --Russavia 13:29, 6 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]
The question is, would they be operating as a normal airline without the political interference from Belgrade? The answer is clearly "yes", as they have tried to operate under their own banner in the past. Therefore they deserve a page with an explanation of why they are not able to operate normally. Serbian politics should not be a factor as to whether they have a page or not. Harry was a white dog with black spots 13:45, 6 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Serbian politics, no. Notability, yes. I see no independent reliable sources that mention this company, and WP:CORP (and WP:V) require them. Sandstein 14:50, 6 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Even if that were true, they clearly existed in the past, given the photos of planes in their livery. Therefore they deserve a page for historical reasons if nothing else, despite the fact that they do continue to operate as best they can given the political climate, and will emerge as a "proper" airline again when they are allowed to do so. It is all about Serbian politics. Harry was a white dog with black spots 15:00, 6 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]
I hope you are able the read german. This is the presentation of Air Prishtina (directly from the website): <copyright violation removed, please use a link>. And here is the "Timetable" (directly from the website): <copyright violation removed, please use a link>. So delete this page!HAJ 13:44, 8 June 2007 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.14.178.73 (talkcontribs) [reply]
Yes, I can read German. I also know a bit about the history of this airline and the political climate it operates under. The fact is, they did try to operate as an airline (evidence in the photo above). For that reason alone, they deserve an entry as a historical airline. The fact that they are being forced to operate using partner airlines for now because of political interference is also noteworthy. By all means, rewrite the page to reflect the current reality, but don't delete it, and don't vandalise other pages using multiple IP addresses. Harry was a white dog with black spots 12:33, 8 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]


Where on the website does it say that they own 4 aircraft? Sandstein 13:07, 6 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]
If it is an 'airline' of Serbia, then surely they have an air operators certificate issued by the Serbian authorities. Some evidence of this certificate needs to be presented to establish the assertion that it is an airline, and not merely a travel agency using a name to pass itself off as an airline. --Russavia 23:14, 8 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]
This has been addressed. They set up as an airline, bought and painted planes to operate, but were then refused an AOC for political reasons. Rather than give up, they have continued operating using partner airlines until the situation in Kosovo changes, and Kosovans have self-determination to issue their own AOCs. Exposing these political machinations is a good enough reason to give Air Prishtina an entry as far as I am concerned. There have been lots of cases of Ailines using other companies AOCs to start up. Easyjet did it for example. Harry was a white dog with black spots 11:13, 10 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Then I take it you mean to suggest to delete the article, not to keep it? Sandstein 14:49, 6 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Note: This opinion now changed to "delete" by an anonymous editor. Sandstein 21:56, 6 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Meaningless post by an anonymous serial page vandal. Please provide the name and contact details of the person you spoke to so that we can get independent confirmation. Please stop vandalising other pages until the matter is settled here. Harry was a white dog with black spots 12:26, 8 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]
The question is, who is a vandal. I only correct wrong information, because Wikipedia is a worldwide Encyclopedia and the people should read correct information. You are the one who is a vandal, not me!!! Call the Air Prishtina headquarter, than you will see who is right. I am working in the tourism and air travel business, and Air Prishtina is well known here, so I know what I am talking about HAJ 19:46, 9 June 2007
It is vandalism because you are removing a link to a page you think shouldn't exist before that decision has been made, and doing so using a variety of anonymous IP addresses. If there is a consensus to remove the article, then reference to it can be removed from other pages. To remove it before then is vandalism. Harry was a white dog with black spots 20:12, 9 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was delete. Sr13 02:54, 10 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Ashlea Evans[edit]

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This is a procedural nom, since the original one was malformed. The original nomination was "Non noteable US reality star." I have no opinion, and abstain.Haemo 19:01, 5 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. W.marsh 21:42, 11 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Malti SuperStar[edit]

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A simple search engine search results in only 1 completely matching result, and that is a forum topic. Hence it's not covered by reliable sources and does not meet WP:N, let alone really happened. Had it happened there should be an easy to reach newspaper article or something about it, but there is not. --Kylohk 18:47, 5 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete all, no salting unless they are recreated again. Sr13 02:59, 10 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Push Up on Me[edit]

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All songs for Rihanna's newest album have been given articles which is completely unnessary. Aside from the first (current) single and already-confirmed second single, there is no reason whatsoever to have an article for each album track, especially as these pages have almost zero information. - eo 18:29, 5 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Don't Stop the Music (Rihanna song) (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views)
Breakin' Dishes (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views)
Hate That I Love You (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views)
Say It (Rihanna song) (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views)
Sell Me Candy (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views)
Lemme Get That (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views)
Rehab (Rihanna song) (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views)
Question Existing (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views)
Good Girl Gone Bad (song) (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views)
Reply - yes, there is a CSD criterion. I'll do so. --Haemo 18:41, 5 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Will the fart noises make the articles go away? - eo 11:27, 6 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was Speedy keep by means of uninanimous vote. Non-admin closure. Ten Pound Hammer • (((Broken clamshells • Otter chirps))) 19:40, 5 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Society for Creative Anachronism[edit]

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Currently fails WP:V and WP:N. Seems to be mostly original research and all provided sources are from the organization itself. WP:ILIKEIT and WP:OTHERSTUFFEXISTS are not reasons to keep an article that fails core policies. The Parsnip! 18:19, 5 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

COI disclosure: this user has never participated in an SCA event and thinks they're a little silly. :) JavaTenor 19:25, 5 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was delete. W.marsh 21:41, 11 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

MadROM[edit]

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Contested prod. Article appears to make no assertion of notability or of reliable sources discussing this MUD. JavaTenor 18:15, 5 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. Sr13 03:21, 10 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Suicide song[edit]

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The subject does not seem to be notable, or infamous for anything, and I could find no sources for it. Of course there will be some songs about suicide just as there will be some songs about grief and we don't have Grief song. Tim Q. Wells 18:10, 5 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

"Delete - "A suicide song is a song about suicide. Here's two that pop into mind. They should also be deleted." --Haemo 22:26, 5 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was keep. W.marsh 22:16, 11 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Joshua Gardner[edit]

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An article on an utterly unnotable news story which was only kept because of the pointless Wikipedia navel gazing that happens on here, the same applies to the Essjay asininity. - hahnchen 18:05, 5 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

  • Delete, the nominator is completely correct here - this guy isn't notable in any way, there are thousands of criminals out there and they're frankly not important enough to have an article. 86.137.121.170 18:19, 5 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • Wicked-strong delete, hundreds of people misrepresent themselves AND hundreds of sick people molest teens. I say that this be deleted immediately. JONJONBTTalk to me! 18:32, 5 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]
    • Given the previous "keep" result, doing this would probably open up a hurricane of piss. - hahnchen 18:38, 5 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was delete. Sr13 08:48, 10 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

TENNIS Magazine's 40 Greatest Players of the TENNIS Era[edit]

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Wikipedia is not an indescriminate list of things. This information, in and of itself, is not worth its own article on Wikipedia. The Evil Spartan 17:44, 5 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. - Mailer Diablo 09:10, 10 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Paul Palmer (climatologist)[edit]

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This article is a bio of a semi-notable living person, and was blanked by the subject - see this edit from IP address 129.215.138.206. Note that that IP address corresponds to hostname elvis.geos.ed.ac.uk and that the subject has an official web page at http://xweb.geos.ed.ac.uk/~ppalmer/

I see that the relevant policy is inconclusive:

"When closing AfDs about semi-notable BLPs, the closing admin should take into account whether the subject of the article has asked that it be deleted. There is currently no consensus as to the weight that should be placed on the subject's wishes, so this is left to the discretion of the closing admin."

but I would suggest deletion. — Alan 17:16, 5 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete and redirect. Sr13 03:24, 10 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

fetish fetish[edit]

Is this worthy of a Wikipedia article? Voortle 16:54, 5 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. Sr13 03:28, 10 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

effophobia[edit]

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More of a discussion than an actual article. Voortle 16:52, 5 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was speedy delete as nonsense. Sr13 18:19, 5 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

fart detector[edit]

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Sounds like a hoax to me. Voortle 16:46, 5 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was no consensus. W.marsh 21:59, 11 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Michael J. Devlin[edit]

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Run of the mill kidnapper and pedophile. This one is famous because the producers of CNN, MSNBC and FoxNews thought the story would get good ratings, which it did. However, there are many thousands of pedophiles, and Wikipedia is neither a newspaper nor a registry of perverts. If this article is kept, it will be an endorsement of allowing Wikipedia content to be determined by the journalistic "ethics" (and I use the term loosely) and drive for ratings of people like Nancy Grace, Greta Van Sustern and Geraldo Rivera. Who's company do you want to keep? Thatcher131 16:28, 5 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

The thing is, this is an article about the kidnapping, and not really a bio. As such, it violates WIkipedia is not a newspaper, and also suffers from recentism, as Carcharoth points out. While this is also true of JonBenét Ramsey (a murder case article masquerading as a bio), JonBenét Ramsey has at least survived the test of time, and simply moving the article to a different title (JonBenét Ramsey murder case) would be a meaningless excercise. Here, I think, it is too recent to know whether the Horbeck-Ownby kidnapping and molestation case will survive the test of time, or whether it is a flash in the pan fueled by the ratings-driven 24-hour news channels. Thatcher131 20:00, 5 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]
I agree that moving the JonBenet article would be a pointless exercise, but I wouldn't be surprised if it happened due to some ridiculous BLP claim. There are many cases in which an event is best presented as a biography such as Stephen Lawrence. An example of a pointless move can be seen here. - hahnchen 21:01, 5 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was no consensus. W.marsh 21:58, 11 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Smallville Season 7[edit]

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WP is not a crystal ball. Basically a summary of the end of season six, and total speculation on the next season. No bias against recreation in the Fall when the season actually starts, but for now this is total crystalballery. TexasAndroid 16:25, 5 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. W.marsh 21:55, 11 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Universal Image Format[edit]

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Neither of this page's supposed subjects is notable or seems likely to establish notability in the near future. Jamesmusik 16:06, 5 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Comment It has had the same problems ever since it was first deleted nearly a year ago. If no one has come forth with something establishing notability since then, I don't know how long we're supposed to wait. Jamesmusik 17:43, 5 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]
The first delete appears to have been a speedy G11 as advertising, right? -wizzard2k (CTD) 17:56, 5 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]
The MagicISO part of the article still has no references other than adverts by the creator, so that still applies. The other file format is clearly non-notable and that has not been challenged on either the talk page or the previous AfD. Jamesmusik 18:16, 5 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Comment: I fully expect Uifan to recreate the page fairly quickly via one IP address or another. Does anyone think it be pre-emptively salted (if deleted, of course), or should we worry about that when it happens? GrimRevenant 05:11, 7 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]
It already happened, over and over again — the only reason the page remained about the IETF standard for so long is that it was protected, see logs, history. -- intgr #%@! 07:25, 7 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]
In that case I'll defer to you on that recommendation. You seem to know more about the history of this subject and those closely involved. Delete and salt, since the challenge is to the subject's (im)possible future of notability. -wizzard2k (CTD) 20:12, 7 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]
UIF did not make it through the RFC process - it was abandoned fairly early on in the draft stages. 76.21.33.66 05:09, 8 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was delete. - Mailer Diablo 09:11, 10 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

List of artists who have covered Nirvana songs[edit]

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Delete - it is not notable simply that one artist sang another artist's song. If any of these are notable recorded covers, then they can be noted in an article for the song and/or in the discography of the cover artist. Otto4711 15:43, 5 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was tagged for G7, non admin closure. Whsitchy 04:36, 6 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Jackie Bushman[edit]

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author deleted prod because he BELIEVES that the guy played number 1 singles at Auburn. He doesn't state that in his article nor does he provide sources. It still lacks notability. Postcard Cathy 15:37, 5 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. - Mailer Diablo 09:13, 10 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Taylor Garron[edit]

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DRV overturned the prior AfD, in light of Runcorn-related sockpuppetry. This person is a non-notable actress, with only insignificant roles to her credit. Delete. Xoloz 15:34, 5 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. Sr13 03:40, 10 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

List of songs whose title contains one of the twelve months[edit]

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Delete - another indiscriminate collection of loosely-associated topics. The songs have nothing in common beyond the coincidence of having the name of a month in the title. Otto4711 15:31, 5 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

  • Worse is a List of songs about eating disorders. Tim Q. Wells 20:34, 5 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was delete. Sr13 03:51, 10 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Bishi (musician)[edit]

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doesn't appear to meet WP:MUSIC or WP:BIO GlassFET 15:27, 5 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was speedy delete as (still) blatant advertising. Bad blatant advertising. Sandstein 19:09, 5 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Projected image digital[edit]

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Non-notable company.Originally speedied as spam but most advertising references removed. Still non-notable though. Dipics 14:40, 5 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was Keep. Navou 17:18, 10 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Yarankash[edit]

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No references or sources - most of the google hits are Wiki mirrors. Biography mostly contains his arrest information and execution. Ozgod 14:37, 5 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. Sr13 03:55, 10 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Andrew Zornoza[edit]

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Article fails to assert importance or notability. No major works, awards or coverage cited in article. Fails to meet the requirements for WP:Notability Ozgod 14:27, 5 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. Sr13 04:35, 10 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Armenian Court of Administrative Appeals[edit]

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The article's title appears to be about an organization while the article itself appears to be about a person. In addition, the image caption supposedly shows the person working inside a building but the image merely shows the building; there's no proof that that person is inside the building. Anthony Rupert 13:52, 5 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Comment According the the Armenian Government website here [13] the highest court in Armenia is the Court of Cassation. Suspect this article, and the individual linked to it (who has no google hits), of being hoaxes. DuncanHill 14:57, 5 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was Speedy delete a7, no assertion of notability. NawlinWiki 15:41, 5 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Dogfood pop group[edit]

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Pop group that does not appear to satisfy WP:MUSIC. Though the group's members claim close involvement with various events that themselves may indeed be notable, there is nothing much to verify this (no mention beyond a namecheck on the sites given), and this does not necessarily confer notability on the group itself. ~Matticus TC 13:03, 5 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete all, WP:V and WP:OR are the key issues here and it's clear that the articles don't meet either. --Coredesat 06:06, 13 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Cirque du Freak: Bloody Brawl and Cirque du Freak (anime)[edit]

Cirque du Freak: Bloody Brawl was originally nominated for speedy deletion - with the following reason: google search reveals that the only mentions of the game at all are on Wikipedia. All edits made by a single user, blatantly false hoax article - which was changed to WP:PROD. Another user noted that the articles have been confirmed to be false (or an unverifiable rumor at best) here. Still, the author removed the deletion notice with no explanation. Delete, candidates for speedy deletion (as hoax/vandalism). - Mike Rosoft 12:42, 5 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

*Speedy delete, this AfD is a waste of time. --Ashenai 12:50, 5 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Correction: Delete the game, keep or make a separate AfD for the anime. --Ashenai 13:46, 5 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Forthcoming is still speculative. Anime is still not notable as nonexistent. Delete for now. --Evb-wiki 14:32, 5 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was keep. I believe the keep arguments are clearly stronger here, as Wikipedia is not paper, and we have precedent saying that this level of political achievement is reasonable. It's no surprise this is still a stub, but policy says that is okay. If this was an article about someone contemporary, that might be one thing, but the internet is not exactly bursting at the seams with information about Scotland's parliament in the 18th century, so this information would be difficult to replace. That said, the article is pretty short, and a merge may be attempted, following the usual WP:BRD process. Mangojuicetalk 17:29, 13 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Alexander Arbuthnot (politician)[edit]

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This article has existed for over a year and hasn't expanded very much. A shire commisioner for the Parliament of Scotland was an appointment given to lower ranks of the gentry and peerage. I have looked high and low for anything on this person that doesn't come from the Arbuthnot family book and I can't find anything (I initially thought I had but the Commissioner Arbuthnot/t or Arbuthnot/t, Commissioner all referred to other people). Delete and summarize at Viscount of Arbuthnott if necessary. Gustav von Humpelschmumpel 09:28, 5 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Can't expect to find the same sourcing as in the 20th century, which is why we have the secondary criterion--it means he is N unless shown otherwise. (unlike the world in general, which goes the other way).DGG 02:35, 6 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was see Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Girls Sport Victoria (GSV) Sports Champions below. MER-C 12:47, 5 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Girls Sport Victoria (GSV) Carnival Champions[edit]

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The result was delete. W.marsh 21:46, 11 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Mazaradi FOX[edit]

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non notable. Entirely unsourced. Original research. Fails WP:MUSIC and WP:BIO. KingTee Denny Crane. 04:29, 04 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Comment - KingTee has actually been indefinitely blocked, if you look at his signature, the link to his talk page leads to Swatjester's talk page, and the whole nomination, he copied from the AfD for Nu Jerzey Devil. Notice how he didn't bother to change anything but the link to his user page. --- Efil4tselaer: Resurrected 17:47, 9 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]
He also copied most of his user page from Geniac, and vandalized my user page, and also was suspected of using sock puppets to edit war on The Black Wall Street Records (which was later semi-protected). --- Efil4tselaer: Resurrected 17:49, 9 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]
I can't believe I didn't realise that. Anyway, the troll account was indefinitely blocked. Nevertheless, I think this nomination should continue as normal. Spellcast 17:58, 9 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was an obvious redirect, so I boldly did. Non-admin closure. Charlie 14:25, 5 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Kinetopsia[edit]

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The user most likely heard this term while watching House, as I did. However the correct term is Akinetopsia, therefore this article is pretty useless. - Imoeng 12:31, 5 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. Sr13 04:01, 10 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Thomas C Hewitt[edit]

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per WP:BIO - not notable. Contested prod. Javit 12:23, 5 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

  • Comment. I will only bother to point the above user in the direction of WP:NPA. Please read WP policies and guidelines on what should be kept and deleted. --Javit 23:59, 5 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was delete. Sr13 03:58, 10 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Alanna Shelast[edit]

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Recreated after prod. Original prod was "reality TV contestant and apparently struggling model. 63 unique Ghits, mostly wiki mirrors and CNTM related hits. Despite having come second, seems to have gone underground after the show". Same concerns exist: this losing contestant on a reality television show is not notable. She wasn't notable on the show, and hasn't done anything since the show to make herself notable among the other struggling models in a very saturated and competitive field. Mikeblas 12:25, 5 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. Sr13 04:00, 10 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Rotard[edit]

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Google search turns up one slang usage of this term (= "devotee of the Wankel rotary engine") but nothing that matches the sense given here. Most, if not all, hits for rotardation appear to be typos for retardation. This seems to be a hoax or joke article. Deor 12:20, 5 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was Speedy delete a7, no assertion of notability. NawlinWiki 14:36, 5 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Koresh's Angels[edit]

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Non-notable band, article fails to establish notability, provide any sources, and google returns 5 hits, of which 3 are from Wikipedia.[17] Bjelleklang - talk Bug Me 11:18, 5 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. Sr13 04:03, 10 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Hyderabadi Martial Arts[edit]

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I think the opening sentence in the History section says it all: "The history of hyderabadi martial arts is unknown to any one." I say let's have it stay that way and not introduce OR into Wikipedia. No sources are provided, and I see no possibility that this article will be redeemed anytime soon. Should sources crop up, it can always be recreated, preferably without appealing to mysterious and unnamed "masters". Ashenai 10:59, 5 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. Sr13 04:47, 10 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Sentient puddle[edit]

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This is just a large Douglas Adams quote preceded by a simple summary of it. 'Sentient puddle' was a phrase used by Douglas Adams ten years ago, which doesn't seem to have entered any sort of wider usage since (the only sources given are from people directly quoting Adams and attributing the phrase to him) - it fails WP:NEO. The Douglas Adams article already has a section dedicated to the quote, covering the exact the same ground as the introductory paragraph, and the full quotation is already in Wikiquote. Delete. McGeddon 09:26, 5 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

There actually isn't any extended information, apart from the analogy being quoted in full - the introductory paragraph is virtually identical to the section in the Adams article. --McGeddon 11:44, 5 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was delete. W.marsh 21:56, 11 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Vehicles in PlanetSide[edit]

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Unsourced game guide stuffed full of fair use images. Ample precedent exists for deletion, see Special:Prefixindex/Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of vehicles. MER-C 08:46, 5 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Delete - should only be kept if individual vehicles have references in popular culture or non-trivial articles in magazines, etc per WP:V and WP:N. I'm sure it could be an important reference for gamers, however Wikipedia is not a game guide (as stated above, WP:NOT). Marasmusine 17:56, 7 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was Delete. Ignoring WP:USEFUL arguments. utcursch | talk 14:50, 13 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Big Brother (UK) ratings[edit]

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Pointless, incomplete article that should be merged with Big Brother UK. No/few sources and not very noteable. Dalejenkins 08:35, 5 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was merge. Consensus is pretty mixed on whether nobility is includable simply for being nobility from the debate here. That said, Viscount of Arbuthnott is not up for deletion. I see no remotely sensible reason presented why we should avoid having a redirect in place. And the keep comments seem to be defending the appropriateness of the material being on Wikipedia, not the appropriateness of a separate page in this instance. Merging is sensible. However, let me remind everyone that merging does not necessarily require a big debate, and this one was certainly a waste of time. Don't forget to be BOLD when appropriate. Mangojuicetalk 17:16, 13 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

John Arbuthnot, 6th Viscount of Arbuthnott[edit]

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To all those people that think that having a separate article for each peer of England is a good idea- please note that there have been 16 of these not particularly notable people. That's just for this title of the thousands of other titles out there. Yes, hereditary peers had the right to sit in the House of Lords, but the question we should ask is did they actually do anything NOTABLE if and when they ever sat in there. Many did not. This person is not notable in their own right so Delete and summarize this person at Viscount of Arbuthnott. Gustav von Humpelschmumpel 08:31, 5 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Comment:He had a right to sit in parliament under the arrangements of the day for the UK parliament whereby those Scottish peers who expressed a desire to take up a seat went in a ballot to choose representative Peers for Scotland. They were elected by their Peers, not "selected". David Lauder 20:05, 10 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Comment, I have waited for quite some time before posting this but actually there is no proof that he could have sat in the House of Lords and secondly, and more importantly, even if he could have the fact is that he didnt sit in the House of Lords and therefore Fails the politician criteria pf the notability policy. Unless you can come up with another reason that this person passes WP:N then it is not looking good for the Viscount.--Vintagekits 21:42, 11 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Comment:That is the most disgraceful remark I have seen yet on Wikipedia, which should not become a vehicle for those with such overt political views. David Lauder 20:05, 10 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]
As I say above I don't believe a source that says a peer took up their seat in the House of Lords is enough unless there is some further detail about what they did in there. If there isn't anything to say about what they did and they didn't do anything else of note then they are not a notable person in their own right (as opposed to being part of their peerage's history) and can be easily summarized on the relevant page for that peerage (no information is "lost"). Gustav von Humpelschmumpel
Then as a show of good faith why don't you nominate Isaac Low since there's no evidence he did anything of substance in congress? Then be bold and delete the text in WP:N which imputes notability to every member of a state or national legislature? Why do we have policies and ignore them based on WP:IDONTLIKEIT? Edison 15:47, 5 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Well, for one thing, no one's cited WP:IDONTLIKEIT. For another, we know for a certain fact that Low served in the Continental Congress, while odds are quite poor that Arbuthnot ever served in the House of Lords. For a third, the Low article was expandable, and I just did it; the external link found in the article gave biographical information beyond mere birth/marriage/death info.  RGTraynor  15:58, 5 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]
I don't think it is really fair to compare a congress member and a British peer. Congressman must have shown some essence of notability or talent to have reached that position whereas a peer doesn't necessarily have to have any talent or notability whatsoever to sit in the House of Lords. If they can be shown to have done something of note while sitting in the House then perhaps they should have their own article, but if it just says Lord x married y and sat in the House of Lords there is no reason why that very small amount of information cannot go on the page of Lords x especially as people are much more likely to such search for Lord or Viscount Arbuthnott (as they are likely to be referred to as such in books) and so arrive at the main page for the peerage rather than search for "John Arbuthnot, 6th Viscount of Arbuthnott". Gustav von Humpelschmumpel 16:33, 5 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Perhaps we should stop being so blinded by the perceived glory and glamour of a title and take some tips from the Arbuthnot family themselves who are slightly less impressed by some of the Arbuthnots when it come to defining notability [18]. Giano 19:16, 5 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment: For what it is it has adequate source material. David Lauder 20:05, 10 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Comment: What an intelligent remark. I had just about given up hope! David Lauder 20:05, 10 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment - you couldnt be more wrong. This IS NOT English wiki - this is the worldwde English LANGUAGE wiki - big fecking difference.--Vintagekits 23:31, 5 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

*Delete He is not in Oxford Dictionary of National Biography, even as a reference in an article. He was a Scottish Peer, and therefore not necessarily entitled to sit in Parliament. DGG 00:25, 6 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Comment that was inserted by Couer-Sang who is a single purpose anti-Arbuthnot account. - Kittybrewster (talk) 00:28, 10 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Comment The only contribution by this person. - Kittybrewster (talk) 00:23, 10 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Comment - Ever heard of dynamic IPs? I'm with BT broadband, and have a different IP everytime I log in. One of the comments above is by me (the 86.134.53.216 one), made a few days ago. Some people choose not to have log ins, not necessarily for nefarious reasons as perhaps you suspect here. I simply hit 'Wikipedia' on my favourites and get on with editing, without arseing around with signing in, remembering passwords etc. Also I don't want to talk to people particularly, so am not too fussed about checking for messages. That doesn't make my contributions any less valid than anyone else's. And I still think this ridiculous article on a totally non-notable person should be deleted. 86.134.72.105 15:33, 10 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Comment- The only contribution by this user. - Kittybrewster (talk) 07:48, 7 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Comment - Ever heard of dynamic IPs? I'm with BT broadband, and have a different IP everytime I log in. One of the comments above is by me (the 86.134.53.216 one), made a few days ago. Some people choose not to have log ins, not necessarily for nefarious reasons as perhaps you suspect here. I simply hit 'Wikipedia' on my favourites and get on with editing, without arseing around with signing in, remembering passwords etc. Also I don't want to talk to people particularly, so am not too fussed about checking for messages. That doesn't make my contributions any less valid than anyone else's. And I still think this ridiculous article on a totally non-notable person should be deleted. 86.134.72.105 15:33, 10 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Comment and that way you can !vote as Sang-Coeur and as several different IP addresses. There are advantages in having an ID. - Kittybrewster (talk) 17:10, 10 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Comment: Good heavens! You're not "sorry" at all! For someone who has only been on Wikipedia since March you are certainly making your presence felt! David Lauder 20:05, 10 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Actually, apart from being of interest to those coming after who might be interested in either the family or region, this article is potentially also of interest in respect of the Clearances and the Potato Famine, which have continuing relevance with the recent passing of the Land Reform (Scotland) Act 2003. 'Absentee (or indifferent) landlords' are a stock figure of Scottish political demonology, so it is interesting to see a good one mentioned on the site.--Major Bonkers (talk) 12:14, 8 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment,We could have them... but do we need them? User:Princess Tiswas has made an excellent analogy between Peerages and their constituant members, and TV shows and their respective episodes. Many episodes of TV shows are in no way encycopedically notable but the TV show as a whole probably is as are perhaps a few "famous episodes". Obviously some TV shows may be so popular that many episodes are deemed "famous". Equally, some peerages have more notable members than others- in these cases we can break out separate articles for the notable members as we do for the notable episodes. Gustav von Humpelschmumpel 20:20, 7 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment, A Viscount is not the upper echelons of the peerage - if we were talking about a King, Queen, Prince, Princess or even a Duke then you might have a point - but this is a Viscount!--Vintagekits 20:27, 7 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment Gustav, the point of my linking to my proposal in re baronets was to establish that a) I am perfectly familiar with the process of condensation you describe and b) have endorsed it under some circumstances, so that my argument against it in this case is based neither upon ignorance nor general opposition to that process. I simply think that for certain well-defined sets of persons, as I've described above, membership in the set should be sufficient to warrant an article. The downside, of course, is that some articles on non-notable people may have to be kept and maintained. That said, I think lifting the general rule that peers are considered notable will open the gates to numerous challenges by ignorant cranks and ideological ax-grinders, and that the resulting ill-will, destruction of stubs with promise, burnout of peerage contributors on wikilawyering, etc. will cause a great deal more damage to the encyclopedia than the presence and need for maintenance of such articles as this. Choess 23:35, 7 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • Choess, these can be perfectly easily be expanded out from the main article on the Peerage when there is enough notable info there to justify a separate article. For a large number of articles there is really hardly anything notable to say about each one which cannot perfectly easily be said next to the person's name in the main article for that peerage. This is not some great ideological battle, it is simply common sense and will avoid Wikipedia being full up with a lot of articles about people who weren't really notable. Gustav von Humpelschmumpel 00:00, 8 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • Exactly - Verifiability is a criterion of necessity, it is not a criterion of sufficiency. It should be remembered, and noted, that titles are notable when bestowed - otherwise, they are merely inherited. There are clear guidelines and policies regarding this sort of thing. - Tiswas(t) 09:28, 8 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • just out of interest does this policy only apply to the British peerage or can I start to add every "nobile dei" recorded religiously in the many editions of the Libro d'Oro - I think that is only fair, I can start in Sicily where there are thousands and slowly work my way up country. Giano 10:12, 8 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment - Conversely, WP:ILIKEIT is equally jejune a reason for keeping. The nomination is on the grounds of lack of notability - the nominator may indeed not like the family, but has been careful in not citing this as a reason. The nominator's motivation is moot - Plenty of editors have expressed their opinions based upon established policy and guidelines. - Tiswas(t) 10:37, 8 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]
    • All peers "have a piece" in Peerages- they dredge up any morsal of info that they can on their subject- and the only morsals that could be dragged up on this one was that he trained in the law then managed his family estates, but not very well. Not notable at all. Gustav von Humpelschmumpel 15:39, 8 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]
e.g. Somebody like Jackiey Budden. - Kittybrewster (talk) 06:55, 11 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Even by WP's standards, that article's a (presumably unintended) joke. I'm too busy/lazy to send it to AfD myself, but anybody who does can count on me for a "delete" vote. So, other crap exists. And to rephrase my question, am I missing anything notable about this Arbuthnot(t), aside from his commendable lack of rapacity? -- Hoary 07:29, 11 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Exactly! And the countless other nonentities on WP. This Viscount (notable in itself) was regarded as notable in his time for holding down his tenant's rents (and even forgoing them) at a time of great agricultural hardship. In itself this was notable, given the period. You'd think all the anti-establisment types would have been cheering from the rooftops. Instead, they don't care what aristos ever did, they just hate them. Its ike the French Revolution all over again. David Lauder 07:00, 11 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Cool it, David. This fellow was an aristo; he actually seems to have achieved quite a bit. Perhaps a condition for this was the prospect of becoming king; he's highly atypical of aristos. Right then, try this one. The article is terribly inadequate but manages to explain how he was remarkable. As does this. Actually I'm all in favor of eccentric aristocrats, if the eccentricity is benevolent or neutral -- though IMHO both articles overemphasize the eccentricity and undervalue the achievements. Now, for Arbuthnot(t), a single sentence found in one book emphasizes benevolence and eccentricity. If he had been remarkable, would there not be more, even if only grumbling from contemporaneous aristos about how this soft-headed Arbuthnot(t) fellow was dangerously encouraging the peasantry to think above its station? -- Hoary 07:29, 11 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment - This little revolution of yours is monstrous intolerable - I say keep the article - The Scarlet Pimpernel 13:48, 11 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • Indeed - My account must have been hijacked by that dandiest of fops, Sir Percy Blakeny (the Anthony Andrews one, that is) - Tiswas(t) 09:20, 12 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment - court proceedings aren't really a demonstration of notability, are they? It is verifiable, certaintly - but what is notable about being owed money? - Tiswas(t) 10:45, 13 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]
    • I have plenty of similar entries for my non notable ancestors. They are probably just in relation to the rent problems as described in the article- nothing that would make a person notable. Gustav von Humpelschmumpel 10:47, 13 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was Merge and Delete. utcursch | talk 15:05, 13 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Sir William Arbuthnot-Lane, 2nd Baronet[edit]

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Non notable- delete as per other non notable Baronets. Gustav von Humpelschmumpel 08:15, 5 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Based on [20] it appears to mean that if there is an article for one baronet, there should be articles for them all. DGG 00:08, 6 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was delete. - Mailer Diablo 09:20, 10 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

List of Asterisk PBX distributions[edit]

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This is just a simple list - non of the packages listed here are notable enough to have there own entry on Wikipedia. Rehnn83 Talk 07:46, 5 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. AfD is not a merry-go-round. This is essentially some "special" type of oxyhydrogen (whatever that means); go put the information there until reliable sources can be found. May I also warn that repeated recreation of this article without heeding policy (let alone badgering commenters whose opinions you don't agree with) can and will be construed as disruption, and blocks may and will be meted out to stop said disruption. —Kurykh 02:44, 11 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

HHO gas[edit]

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Neither this article or Brown's gas survived multiple AfD's before, but people keep recreating it. Trying to keep an open mind I waited and gave the articles a chance to grow, this unfortunately did not happen. Since the recurring problems have not been solved I want some community input as to whether the article should be deleted again!! or can be allowed to stay. Included in this AfD is Brown's gas for the same reasons.

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Among the violations of policy:

In short, if we take out what is not supported by independent non-promotional sources the articles would contain two sentences (hyperbole). Please comment on the need to keep such articles. Nomen NescioGnothi seauton 07:24, 5 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

  • This caveat -by someone who is the main contributor, has followed commentators suggesting they change their position and then unilaterally undid the deletion of this article- is highly inappropriate and incorrect. In short, the editor has NOT retracted his comment!Nomen NescioGnothi seauton 09:55, 9 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • In the words of the editor himself: "I do not wish to remove my vote, as well as I believe they should be deleted."[21]Nomen NescioGnothi seauton 15:04, 9 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]
This is a quote from an essay with little or no consensus. It barely addresses the point you are responding to, which is quoted from a guideline with a strong consensus. It also doesn't apply; it is about science articles, whereas this is specifically an article about the psuedoscientific claims of a company that has achieved widespread media attention for those claims. JulesH 08:24, 6 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Be that as it may, you keep ignoring the fact there is no reputable source to debunk or substantiate HHO gas. Please advise as to why we should allow that violation of WP:RS.Nomen NescioGnothi seauton 08:46, 6 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]
"repeated disruptive nominations" rather misses the point that this has been deleted numerous times, always for the same concern: lack of verifiable independent evidence. Guy (Help!) 07:11, 8 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment - I've been asked by Omegatron to elaborate further on my reasoning. I will but I first want to make sure I understand his comments correctly. Omegatron claims this article is regarding a hoax, yet this is not at all mentioned in the article. In addition please do not quote WP:Abuse of deletion process like it's chips, I don't see how it fits in here. --Javit 14:28, 5 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]
I wish more people would try to get that:
1, an article about rubbish is not a rubbish article
2. Wikipedia is the first place that many people will look for honest information about this kind of thing.

And I wish Nescio would make an honest attempt to understand this. Gnothi seauton. Man with two legs 17:58, 5 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Exactly. See my user page and Replies to common objections for similar sentiment. — Omegatron 18:07, 5 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Nescio understands the meaning of WP:SCI, WP:RS, WP:NOR, WP:SPAM, WP:NPOV. Those suffice to make this article incompatible with policy.Nomen NescioGnothi seauton 18:20, 5 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]
I am certain that you do not. The two tags that you added to Brown's gas were objectively wrong which is why I removed them. Try looking again at what Omegatron says about it. Have you understood that Omegatron is opposed to belief in the special properties of HHO gas? Man with two legs 18:34, 5 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]
The difficulty is that when something is very obviously scientifically rubbish, scientists don't bother to write peer-reviewed articles saying so. So there is not much out there explicitly debunking it. For example, if you look up Apollo_moon_landing_hoax_accusations you will find many sites debunking them, but those sites are not from reputable scientific journals. Man with two legs 18:38, 5 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Comment The new version from Omegatron has repaired the problem with the 'fact' tags that I noted in my above comment. EdJohnston 00:35, 8 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Fnagaton 00:02, 6 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

  • Comment to all Apparently this has become an argument as to my motives (which sounds like a violation of WP:AGF) and "everybody should know this is a hoax." Please let me remind you what this is about. I am the first to point out hoaxes. However, that does not negate the need for WP:RS (please provide a reputable scientific source debunking this, this is policy!!) or explain why it is impossible to amend the article to clearly show it is a hoax without editors removing those caveats.Nomen NescioGnothi seauton 08:46, 6 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Also there may be very specific WP:COI concerns, AFAIK User:Nescio is in the business of selling this stuff. --Pjacobi 09:19, 6 June 2007 (UTC) Sorry, I had another contributor in mind. --Pjacobi 09:57, 6 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • "Sources should be appropriate to the claims made: exceptional claims require exceptional sources." If the source is not correctly cited, it is not verified. If it is a local news report masquerading as a national news report (especially if it does NOT verify the truth of the claims made but primarily notes that funding is being gotten for the promoting organization... triply especially if it flies in the face of established science or claims to be 'extrascientific' or some such, a national news source -not local- would be 'exceptional.') it fails having been verified. While it is used in the context of Burden of Proof, the long quote from Jimbo about citations being necessary seems to apply, especially if the report is incorrectly attributed. And, while it may not be part of the policy itself, the quote came from a post with an enlightening title, "Zero information is preferred to misleading or false information." Omitting an essential part of a reference is almost equivalent to lying about the source. If the sources are lied about, why should I trust any of the other information in the article? LaughingVulcan 03:30, 7 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]
    Notability of a science topic is met just by meeting ONE of the criteria on WP:SCIENCE. This easily meets criteria number 5, being covered by more than ten news organizations, and meets criteria number 7; popular belief. — Omegatron 04:41, 7 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • OK, and WP:SCIENCE is not even a guideline, only a proposed one. Therefore I do not feel bound to honor it. And you're switching arguments. I see that the sources section has indeed changed, but I see no exceptional sources. LaughingVulcan 04:50, 7 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • And it doesn't answer my first question: Why does this article not qualify as WP:CSD G4?
    • "provided that the copy is substantially identical to the deleted version"
    • Deletion policy: "Repeated re-creation of an article by previously unassociated editors may be evidence of a need for an article, but repeated nominations for deletion are not necessarily evidence that an article should be deleted, and in some cases, repeated attempts to have an article deleted may even be considered disruptive." — Omegatron 04:41, 7 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • Yep. And I asked what's different, as there isn't any history going back past the other AfDs. I'm not saying it isn't different, just that if the same result is coming up, and I'm wondering how the article has changed to reflect the prior AfDs. LaughingVulcan 04:50, 7 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • And looking through the Article talk pages shows that it has gone through several permutations of editing, so G4 doesn't apply. LaughingVulcan 05:23, 7 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Reply The fact you are the main contributor but refuse the article to reflect that the "gas" is nonsense[28] is troubling. This inability to have a neutral and sourced article on the topic is the reason it was deleted time an time again.Nomen NescioGnothi seauton 07:57, 7 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Huntja2 08:03, 7 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Welcome to Wikipedia, Huntja2! Thanks for commenting here, but note that AfD is not a vote. (first and only edit)--Pjacobi 08:19, 7 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Comment Interesting? So it's alright to have hoaxes presented as normal as long as it's interesting? --Javit 09:55, 7 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Huh? Sourced? Name one non-promotional reference. BTW, have just made the article less of an advertisement.[29] Unfortunately explicitely refuting this as non-science is consistently denied by some contributors.Nomen NescioGnothi seauton 12:39, 7 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]
As re-creation of deleted content, and promotional. Tom Harrison Talk 14:21, 7 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]
I'm not going to restore the articles. Take it to deletion review if you want. Tom Harrison Talk 14:31, 7 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Then please close this AfD.
Your call, but can you close this AfD? It's already in DRV with multiple opinions. LaughingVulcan 23:29, 7 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]
BTW - I do approve of this. I do not see that the previous content needed to be used directly under CSD:G4, but rather if the article was of similar content then CSD:G4 should apply. As for CSD:G11, the article was crafted to note that doubts exist but still was very definite about the claims of HHO gas. Overall, I think that the case made to permit recreation of this article back on March 14 was at best deceptive given the product that resulted. The article very much should have remained salted. --EMS | Talk 15:59, 7 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]
What do you think of this version?Nomen NescioGnothi seauton 07:56, 8 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]
What should I be thinking of it? It's clear that you've been trying to polish the article into a form that you find acceptable. So is Omegatron.
As I read the article as it is now, I glean that there are problems with the theory as advocated by those with commercial interests. It doesn't have to scream "This is a hoax!" in 48 point sans serif. From what I make of the situation, you and Omegatron are in an edit war over the best way to elaborate on the controversy (or hoaxy aspects) of the topic. I don't think AfD is the place to resolve an edit war, if the article can otherwise be salvaged. And I think it can be from what I've seen of yours and Omegatron's work.
The article has moved from being a pure commercial promotional puff-piece of psuedoscience into something with far less POV (on either side of advocacy/pure hoax,) far better sourcing and description, and presenting both sides in a way that a rational person can make their conclusions about the factual validity of documented claims. (Which is the point of my diff above.) So, I think it's passed beyond the point of something deletable.
It would be far better if those of you involved in active editing would engage in dispute resolution to polish the article into a final form, than blow it away only to see the promotional puff-piece come back in a few months. But that's just my humble opinion. You're both working to make as good an article as you can, even though you might have significant differences over how it should be articulated. The article is evolving, so I don't understand the delete call at this point as originally proposed, in my humble opinion. LaughingVulcan 19:53, 9 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]
The fact some people keep removing every suggestion this is a scam is the reason the article can't be kept.Nomen NescioGnothi seauton 07:56, 8 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]
That is definatley a problem, however deletion would not be the way to solve it! Sethie 16:10, 8 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]
It's an imaginary problem. I'm adding attributed, verifiable criticisms with reliable sources, while Nescio persists in adding unsourced weasel word criticisms, despite being reverted by at least three other editors and being asked to stop. — Omegatron 23:47, 8 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]
I t5hink Mro should now consider this my last warning regarding his WP:CIVIL, WP:AGF and WP:NPA violations. Discuss the topic and not the other editors. Also, the fact criticism can't be sourced is the principal reason the article needs to be deleted as we are left with just the view of proponents. Better known as advertisement.Nomen NescioGnothi seauton 09:44, 9 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • No it's not, not if there are no reliable sources. Guy (Help!) 19:12, 8 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]
    Of course not. But it remains my opinion that in these cases verifiability and reliability are fulfilled to the extent that deletion is not justifiable. Femto 21:11, 8 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]
    Then perhaps you should consider my point below. --EMS | Talk 22:18, 8 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • And an article in the International Journal of Hydrogen Energy.
  • I see only one patent in the references section.
  • The "smattering of local stories" consists of at least eight news organizations covering at least six different states. And that's just the ones we've bothered to write down.
  • Even local news coverage doesn't count as self-promotion; they're all secondary sources with editorial oversight. See Wikipedia:Verifiability#Sources. The idea that third-party news sources are "promotional" when they clearly criticize the topic is ludicrous. Have you even read the articles you're criticizing?
  • I've never heard of WorldNetDaily, either, but it's apparently notable enough to have a Wikipedia article. That you personally haven't heard of something doesn't make it non-notable.
Several people have changed their votes from delete to keep. I think that counts for a lot. — Omegatron 00:06, 9 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • It says that you and the other HHO folks have figured out which buttons to push on this issue, and this response is an example of that. I have some real problems with it, such as
    1. your saying that "local news coverage doesn't count as self-promotion". If you look at my reason for dismissing it, it is not for being promotional but rather for not qualifying as "significant coverage".
    2. You claim coverage from "eight news organizations covering at least six different states" but four of the eight news citations are for Wave3 in Louisville, KY, and another is for a YouTube video of a "Fox26" broadcast whose location is unidentified and for which there is no other evidence of its having covered HHO. So I only count four organizations and five states (since Louisville is in Kentucky and next to Ohio).
    3. You claim that these are "just the ones we've bothered to write down". I find it hard to believe that you all would have stopped at those if there was more to document.
I think this speaks of the kind of case that you all are making here. --EMS | Talk 00:57, 9 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • Ten news organizations in six different states:
  • All notable enough to have Wikipedia articles, not even counting online news sources like WorldNetDaily.
  • Why the hell does the exact number even matter? Why should we not stop at this many? In any other article, this many news references would be considered unreasonable overkill. Just one or two of these is sufficient to demonstrate notability.
  • You're still ignoring the journal article. — Omegatron 16:22, 9 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • A single journal article does not "cut the mustard" under WP:SCIENCE, and a series of local news stories in so "significant coverage" under WP:N IMO. You are obviously a principal in this HHO business, seeking to give in the widest exposure possible. You are doing a good job making this seem notable, but every time I sanity test your claims, they come out as just another scam to me. --EMS | Talk 00:20, 10 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Of course it's a scam! It is a notable scam! That is the point of having an article about it. Omegatron has contributed to several articles on related scams and his POV is clear (and spelled out on his talk page): have articles that show these scams for what they are. This discussion is about deleting it completely, which would also remove the bit that tells people it is a scam. Omegatron himself drew this article to my attention and to user:SteveBaker's attention in full knowledge that we are both total non-believers in this kind of nonsense. There is no doubt that he is not a promoter of it. Man with two legs 21:51, 10 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]
OK, to whomever may read this 70k+ mess of an AfD discussion: Yes, I also know Omegatron as a whistleblower and eliminator of desinformation, e.g. at the Ionocraft/Biefeld–Brown effect pages. Just check history and block log there. I'm the more paranoid of us and prefer deletion and he's generally for keeping and telling the plain story. But:
  • With the recent extremist interpretation of WP:CITE, you cannot debunk anything yourself anymore.
  • The HHO-scam would need a healthy dose of investigative journalism, but Wikipedia is not in the business of investigative journalism. And until someone does this task, we are simply without first class secondary sources on this topic.
  • And note: The International Journal of Hydrogen Energy and T. Nejat Veziroglu are partially in the same boat as Ruggero Maria Santilli and his Hadronic Journal. This would be a nice topic for investigative journalism too, but as the audience who is interested in it is so small, it wouldn't feed a journalist, I fear.
--Pjacobi 22:17, 10 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]


You are obviously a principal in this HHO business, seeking to give in the widest exposure possible. --EMS
You obviously have an intimate knowledge of this article and its history, and your deductive reasoning abilities are unmatched. — Omegatron 02:11, 11 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]


  1. You are right that this article is in danger of evolving into an advert, but if it does, then you, or anyone else, can simply revert it to a legitimate version.
  2. One reason I feel strongly that articles like this should remain in Wikipedia is that if you Google something like this, Wikipedia is often the only hit you get that contains any critical material at all. So deleting it is to the advantage of fraudsters.
  3. Omegatron has the right to persuade anyone who will listen, as have you. It can happen that people don't 'get' the reason for keeping (or deleting) an article on first look.
  4. The reasons for keeping the articles are by no means limited to ad hominems.
Man with two legs 10:33, 9 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Wikipedia is not the Better Business Bureau, and so is under no obligation to report on every scam around. What may be useful and notable is an article on technology scams, which of course can include mention of these and other other hydrogen technology scams. --EMS | Talk 15:02, 9 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Wikipedia, is, however, an encyclopedia, the sum of all human knowledge, and it is our job to cover everything notable in a neutral, verifiable way. This includes Category:Fraud, Category:Hoaxes, Category:Confidence_tricks, Category:Pseudoscience, Category:Protoscience, Category:Fringe science, List of pseudosciences and pseudoscientific concepts, List of minority-opinion scientific theories, ... — Omegatron 15:24, 9 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]
On Wikipedia:Wikipedia is an encyclopedia, it is stated that "An encyclopedia is a written compendium aiming to convey information on all branches of knowledge". That is not the same the same thing as documenting all human knowledge, and WP:NOT explicity states that "Wikipedia is not an indiscriminate collector of information". I will happily call for a notable scam to be kept. IMO, this scam is not notable. --EMS | Talk 15:37, 9 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]
There are a number of reasons for disagreeing with that:
  1. a deletion review voted for re-creation so the deletions are not reliable evidence
  2. there was not a consensus for deletion, only a majority which is not at all the same thing
  3. it is absurd to delete an article for procedural reasons. An article should stay or go on its merits only. Procedures are there to assist the maintenance of articles, not the other way round
  4. if you look at Omegatron's user page and edit history, you will see he is keen on reliable, accurate articles and not disruptive. The same goes for me.
Man with two legs 12:01, 9 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]
It does make it clear that this is a hoax; that is rather the point of Omegatron's version. The word "hoax" appears in the intro to HHO gas. Man with two legs 12:01, 9 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Correction Omegatron made sure it was not clear this is a scam. See the diffs I provided above. Only after fresh blood has forced him to let the caveatrs stand can we say the article is more or less acceptable. Nevertheless, as has been noted above, an article documenting scams and then using this as example sounds much better. It is less prone to removing criticism as Mr O has been doing.Nomen NescioGnothi seauton 15:13, 9 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]
I have answered this point on your talk page. Man with two legs 19:13, 9 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Your <redacted NPA> addition of weasel word criticisms has been reverted by me and at least three other people. Meanwhile, I've been adding verifiable, notable criticisms with reliable sources. — Omegatron 15:27, 9 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Again you call me disruptive and I order you to stop your WP:NPA. The next one I will report. Second, feel free to provide an adequate source for criticism. No, Randi cannot be used to debunk scientific claims. Although notable no physician accepts him to dismiss the silly conspiracy stories regarding HIV and AIDS.Nomen NescioGnothi seauton 15:57, 9 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Then I'll say it again: Your edits are disruptive.
  • Is tendentious: continues editing an article or group of articles in pursuit of a certain point for an extended time despite opposition from one or more other editors.
  • Cannot satisfy Wikipedia:Verifiability; fails to cite sources, cites unencyclopedic sources, misrepresents reliable sources, or manufactures original research.
Go ahead and report me. — Omegatron 16:29, 9 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Hmm. And how would you call an editor that against consensus insists the recreation of four times deleted articles is mandatory, to the point he even abuses admin tools in edit conflicts?Nomen NescioGnothi seauton 20:21, 9 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Stop behavior discussion! Let's discuss the article, please, not people. If you want to dispute Omegatron's behaivor, open an RfC. Eveything must be kept in order if we want to make reasonable contributions. --Neigel von Teighen 16:35, 9 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Hold the phone! Are you suggesting I am discussing behaviour while simply trying to ask Omegatron to stop his harrasment of my person? Should you not ask him to refrain fromn WP:NP":NPA?Nomen NescioGnothi seauton 18:04, 9 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Yes. Please file an RfC if you think I'm not editing the articles in a neutral manner. This isn't the place for personal attacks. — Omegatron 18:32, 9 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]
You're the one making personal attacks Omegatron. Fnagaton 18:55, 9 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Personal attacks, eh? Such as what? Cite some examples.
The examples above where you try to call into question the person's motives and falsely accuse them of being disruptive, that's just for starters. It's not the first time you've been warned for doing such things. Questionable behavior False disruption accusations Report me taunt 1 Report me taunt 2 Warning Fnagaton 19:50, 9 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Well, that's certainly a water-tight case. You've definitely got me there. Those links show very clear examples of me making personal attacks against other users, and are all very relevant to this deletion discussion. — Omegatron 02:22, 11 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]
When was the last time you edited or showed any interest in either of these articles, by the way? — Omegatron 19:39, 9 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Yet another example of ad hominem. Fnagaton 19:50, 9 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]
I don't see any edits made to either article where the sources could be correctly described as proper "reliable sources". Fnagaton 17:45, 9 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was delete. W.marsh 17:40, 11 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

DEViANCE[edit]

DEViANCE (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD)

Non-notable cracking group, fails WP:BIO criteria. The rationale from the previous nomination 3 years ago still holds - Google brings up only Wikipedia mirrors for <DEViANCE CyberNaj> [33], and the article remains unsourced although people were asking for sources even back then. Resurgent insurgent 06:28, 5 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. W.marsh 22:27, 11 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Gallery of city flags[edit]

If this is not suited for AFD, then I apologize. Anyways, what we got here is a gallery of flags flown by cities across the world. Encyclopedic, yes. Notable, yes. However, the reason why I am choosing this route is that is due to WP:NOT#Wikipedia_is_not_a_mirror_or_a_repository_of_links.2C_images.2C_or_media_files. Many of these images are hosted on the Wikimedia Commons, a sister project of ours. Their main job is to host galleries of images people can find useful. If there is one point I can concede, the list at the Commons, which can be seen at Commons:Gallery_of_city_flags, will be missing images due to them not being transwikied or under a license that cannot be on the Commons (such as fair use). Linking issues can be solved and we have various templates to point others to the Commons. As a vexillologist, as some of you coming here are too, I understand these categorization is important for flags. We have a whole section of our study to classify flags under color, patterns, symbols and lettering. However, I feel the need for this page would be better suited on the Commons than here. User:Zscout370 (Return Fire) 05:55, 5 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

  • Comment. I would not read any policy as forbidding an article such as this. The fair use policy specifically cited in support of the claim that galleries of fair use images are not allowed actually says this:

    "Significance. Non-free media is not used unless it contributes significantly to an article. It needs to significantly increase readers' understanding of the topic in a way that words alone cannot. The use of non-free media in lists, galleries, and navigational and user-interface elements is normally regarded as merely decorative, and is thus unacceptable."

    Since the chief distinguishing feature of any flag is its design, gallery presentation of this information is vital to the point of necessity, and not "merely decorative." We are not talking about a gallery of screen captures from a TV show here. Policy does not forbid the existence of this page. - Smerdis of Tlön 20:14, 5 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

  • The images are not being discussed in any way, nor is their presentation adding any particular value. This is purely a gallery, and nothing more. We do not permit galleries of fair use images. This has been hashed and rehashed multiple times and is not permitted. I would be well within the bounds of policy to remove every instance of a fair use image from this article as is. But, the point is as with Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Gallery of United Kingdom academic heraldry, the article would be gutted without them. Thus, this article can not hope to be encyclopedic. It's permanently hamstrung. --Durin 20:24, 5 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment - Go ahead; but if you do, go ahead and remove any image that might be fair use from Gallery of sovereign-state flags while you are at it. These deletions might not win you friends, and might well be borderline WP:POINT, but if a perception exists that galleries such as these categorically cannot be allowed, it seems to me that the issue needs to be hashed and rehashed some more until common sense can prevail. I just don't want to be the one that provokes it. - Smerdis of Tlön 20:47, 5 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • I'm not here to make friends, so it's no concern if my actions result in me not making friends. Sovereign state flags fall under different copyright considerations than the flags on this page. And, removing fair use violations is most emphatically not a violation of WP:POINT as it agrees with our policies. --Durin 21:34, 5 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment. Could you please explain why you say "There's not much point to a gallery like this that never can be complete"? First, why do you think it could never be complete -- that it is impossible for image files with appropriate legal status to be produced? Second, even if it isn't complete, isn't an incomplete but substantially notable list (in gallery form) of flags preferrable to none at all? I'm really finding it hard to understand the vehemence of the anti-flag-gallery opinions being expressed here; there seems to be a lot of "all of nothing" reasoning at work. --ScottMainwaring 21:40, 5 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • How do you propose to create a copyright free replica of a copyrighted work? If this article can not be complete, it's like discussing the Tower of London without being able to discuss its history. The article is permanently hampered by the fair use restrictions. This article can never do what it sets out to do; display city flags from cities around the world. By definition it can never be complete. You might as well take the featured article of today and arbitrarily cut it in half in mid sentence and say it's encyclopedic. --Durin 21:44, 5 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • I'm not proposing anything, just asking a question. It sounds like you are saying that city flags, by their nature, are copyrighted works and (to answer my own question) that it *is* impossible for image files with appropriate legal status to be produced. Is that what you are saying? If so, on what basis? Thanks, --ScottMainwaring 22:27, 5 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • Some, not all, cities protect copyrights on their city flags. We can not reproduce them and claim copyright release. I say this on the basis of copyright law. Similarly, you can not create a replica of the Coca-Cola logo and declare it free of copyright. See derivative work. --Durin 22:34, 5 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • Thanks for the clarification. I think this raises an important general question: what proportion of a notable category of flags needs to be copyright-free before a gallery-list of such flags makes sense as a Wikipedia article? I might be willing to concede that "city flags" should be deleted under some criterion addressing this question (though your saying "some, but not all" would seem to suggest this category could have "critical copyright-free mass"). But such a criterion would also allow many types of flag galleries to persist, e.g., sovereign state flags, right? --ScottMainwaring 22:42, 5 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • If all the page is a pure gallery, I would try and move it to the Wikimedia Commons. But I am going to wait until this AFD is finished before I look at the others. User:Zscout370 (Return Fire) 22:50, 5 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • So even if a flag gallery is 100% copyright free, you still want to rid Wikipedia of it? If we leave aside legal/copyright issues, I don't understand the justification for removing illustrations from lists. And if it's the gallery format you object to, vs. a tabular format in which there is only one flag per line, I still don't understand why such formatting issues should carry such weight. At the very least, why wouldn't you advocate conversion to a new format, instead of deletion of the page? --ScottMainwaring 01:43, 6 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • There are many lists being created now for flags, mostly based by country and or design. The problem is, that I noticed, is there is a lot of galleries for not just flag related pages, but also for currency. The same issues I am seeing here, I have seen before on the deletion of currency pages. However, if all this page is going to be a gallery, then we should move it to the Commons. But, I just wanted to do it formally by having the AFD instead of just speeding stuff (since I know the Commons have a bug now). User:Zscout370 (Return Fire) 03:40, 6 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was delete. W.marsh 21:52, 11 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Tinfoil Hat Linux[edit]

Tinfoil Hat Linux (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD)

Dead Linux distribution. Note that this is the second nomination for this article, after being nominated and kept in January 2006. At this time it seemed unclear whether the distribution was dead or had still users. This should be clear now. Unless someone has new arguments, the argument from the first nomination which remains valid is the historical value of the article. The distro still has under 1000 Google hits for the fully qualified name, but there are about 350 000 hits for "tinfoil linux". Chealer 05:34, 5 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Note: Sorry, but while re-reading myself, just to be clear, the 350 000 Google hits are for tinfoil linux (without the quotes).--Chealer 03:54, 7 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was delete. While numerical majority in AfD debates is a factor, it is not a sole factor. In this case, the questions of verifiability and original research have not been addressed, nor does it appear that they can be. This being the case, we cannot have such an article. Seraphimblade Talk to me 18:09, 13 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Items in Ranma ½[edit]

Items in Ranma ½ (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD)

This 35KB article is merely an unsourced plot summary. Fails WP:FICT, WP:V, WP:WAF and so on. Precedent exists at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Items and concepts in FLCL. Also has 27 fair use images, which may also fail WP:NONFREE. Content is too excessive for merging. MER-C 05:23, 5 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

  • So how do you intend on fixing the problems raised? I don't believe they can be fixed, so that's why it's here. And saying that there is sources ain't enough, you actually need to produce them. MER-C 08:54, 5 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]
    • Sources can be added (how you can possibly believe it is impossible to reference Ranma ½ is beyond me), plot summaries trimmed if too heavy, mergers done as necessary. That you out of hand discount these most simple things makes me further think you didn't even try to consider remedies in any serious fashion. The complete lack of complaints, tags, edits of any kinds on your part, or warnings, is just further proof of this. Not even giving us the opportunity to address them and immediately jumping to delete without a single notice of a complaint isn't even the remotest attempt to allow correction. Effectively, all you have done by putting up this notice is strongly discourage edits for a week instead of giving editors the complaints and letting them attempt to address them. This is particular evident as even your example delete gave those authors MONTHS of notice of an issue. You gave none. This article is barely 2 months old by this point and hasn't had the chance for significant review. You are supposed to provide discussion on the issue, again none before this delete attempt. I consider this particularly heavy handed and a misuse of the deletion policy. Derekloffin 09:45, 5 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]
This is not a bureaucracy. I will not unnecessarily jump through hoops or mess with red tape to get crappy articles deleted. Like it or not, this is a significant review of the article. You have the opportunity to address the fatal concerns raised, if they can be addressed.
And stop shooting the messenger and start fixing the problems. MER-C 12:42, 5 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • The problem here is that the whole article violates the policies and guidelines above, hence it ought to disappear. MER-C 08:54, 5 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was delete. Sr13 04:51, 10 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Bird Bird[edit]

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Contested prod. Unsourced article about a non-notable local dance. Appears to be a violation of WP:NFT at best, or of WP:CB at worst. --Finngall talk 05:19, 5 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Delete - unnotable unsourced nonsence. GoldengloveContribs ·Talk 15:50, 5 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was delete. Sr13 04:55, 10 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Girls Sport Victoria (GSV) Sports Champions[edit]

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Proecedural Listing, Similar to PSA Sports Champions which was deleted before Savin Me 05:49, 5 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

  • Comment We can't include these articles here as the AfD process has already begun. However, i'll review all these articles tonight and then take appropriate action, including enjoining them to a new AfD if at all acceptable. Leave it with me. Thewinchester (talk) 07:52, 5 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was no consensus to delete. merger/redirection is an editorial decision that doesn't need an AFD. W.marsh 21:54, 11 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Sharif Linux[edit]

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Notability to come. Chealer 05:11, 5 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. Sr13 04:57, 10 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Sesco Linux[edit]

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Notability to come. Chealer 05:06, 5 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. >Radiant< 12:03, 7 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Mughda Chapekar[edit]

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Single sentence + image gallery article that does not establish notability of subject and has been deleted thrice before. Should be deleted or merged with Dharti Ka Veer Yodha Prithviraj Chauhan. The article may even be a candidate for speedy deletion, in which case please feel free to close this nomination early. Finally, the images in the article are copyvios and should be speedied too. Abecedare 17:00, 31 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]


Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so that consensus may be reached
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The result was speedy delete. Sr13 05:21, 5 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Bobaloo[edit]

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author removed prod without making any changes to teh article. I have no idea why this guy is notable. There are millions of comedians and actors in the world and many of them are gay. If this is all that we know about him, then he should have been gone when the prod expired! Postcard Cathy 04:37, 5 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. - Mailer Diablo 09:36, 10 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Country Tonite Theatre[edit]

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Most of article is list of awards copied directly from the CTT website, many of which don't identify the awarding organization. Many of the others don't have WP articles. NACMAI hosts on GeoCities, which doesn't tend to point toward notability. Aside from list of awards, does not assert notability particularly well. Delete SarekOfVulcan 04:15, 5 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was speedy delete. Sr13 05:25, 5 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Chipuismo[edit]

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Google searches for Chipuismo and Chipuesca come up with no links at all. Violates verifiability MKoltnow 04:07, 5 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Comment google is wikipedia? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Chipuismo (talkcontribs).
Also delete Category:Chipuismo, and related images etc. --Haemo 04:39, 5 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was keep. W.marsh 22:04, 11 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Radwan Dąbrowski-Żądło Family[edit]

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Per concenrns experessed on talk, this seems like a non-notable family. Most of the article consists of copies of info about Polish history and nobility - referenced, but not related to the family. Next, four members of the family are described, only the first one has any notability claims. The family might have had one notable member and the name been mentioned in a historical chronicle or two, but that doesn't make them notable.  Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus | talk  04:04, 5 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

This is not another vote, but meant to amplify a point. Konieczny seems to be getting the word "lackluster" confused with the word "notable". Not everything notable is required to be heroic. Jarosław Radwan Żądło Dąbrowski was demonstrably heroic -- a reference to his family (Radwan Dąbrowski-Żądło Family) in the context of a wider Radwan gens/clan is useful in understanding his social milieu and origins. 71.106.22.218 21:30, 5 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was DELETE. David Eppstein 00:14, 11 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Normal set[edit]

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Expired prod, de-prodded by Kurykh with edit summary de-prod, might be worthwhile, except might need references. The problem is that I don't think this is standard terminology at all. If references exist, we can discuss them (it's still possible, even likely, that the terminology is a nonce term for one or two references, in which case I would still favor deletion). --Trovatore 03:49, 5 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

It seems to me that it might be a useful search term. Do you think that making it a disambiguation page of sorts with links to different fields which use the term, and a quick paragraph on how it is used in each field? Smmurphy(Talk) 13:51, 6 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]
I don't think it would be a good idea, just like it would not be a good idea to have a disambiguation page for, say, the terms "Normal method" or "Acceptable solution".  --LambiamTalk 16:06, 6 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Comment. "Thoroughly standard terminology"? I beg to differ. I just checked MathSciNet, and there are 30 articles having "normal set" in the title (and 143 altogether with the exact phrase in the review text), but the meaning differs wildly -- which I think is normal for such an over-used term as "normal". Eg:
A subset $B\subset{\Bbb N}$ is said to be normal if the associated binary sequence defined by $i=1$ for $i\in B$ and $i=0$ for $i\notin B$ is normal, meaning that any binary word $\omega$ of length $|\omega|$ occurs in this sequence with frequency $2^{-|\omega|}$. MR2187788
A closed bounded set $S$ in $\bold R \sp n \sb +$ is said to be normal if $(S-\bold R\sp n\sb +)\cap \bold R\sp n\sb + =S$. MR2040059
A subset of $\bold R^I_+$, $I$ being a finite set of indices, is called normal if $g\in G$, $0\leq x\leq g\Rightarrow x\in G$. MR1769890
A set $M$ of real numbers is said to be normal if there exists a sequence $\Lambda=(\lambda_k)$ of real numbers such that $\Lambda x=(\lambda_kx)$ is uniformly distributed $\text{mod}\,1$ if and only if $x$ is in $M$. MR0308073
I could go on, but you get the idea. At any rate, why is the definition of "normal set" in this article any more standard than the others? Turgidson 02:36, 7 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was delete. Sr13 05:00, 10 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Marsh Engle[edit]

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Patent vanispamcruftisement with questionable notability. MER-C 03:45, 5 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. - Mailer Diablo 09:38, 10 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

David L McBurnett[edit]

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This biographical article does not contain any reliable primary/secondary sources to verify it's content as required by WP:BIO. Originally tagged per CSD A7, but more information was added which arguably constitutes a claim of notability. NickContact/Contribs 03:29, 5 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. - Mailer Diablo 09:39, 10 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Did You Know A Storyman[edit]

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Another hoax created by this user. As with Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/The Rainbow (1986 TV Series), appears to be made of text taken from Spider (TV series) (a genuine series). Masaruemoto 02:54, 5 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Comment Of course, this article isn't created by User:RabbitHawk but ,as you point out, another sock-puppet. Masaruemoto 03:01, 5 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was speedy delete as ballocks. Resurgent insurgent 04:27, 5 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

The Rainbow (1986 TV Series)[edit]

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Another hoax created by this user. As with Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Did You Know A Storyman, appears to be made of text taken from Spider (TV series) (a genuine series). Masaruemoto 02:45, 5 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Speedy delete Obvious hoax. Nik Love-Gittins? Vyv Hope-Scott? A running time of 5 minutes? Tim Q. Wells 04:06, 5 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was bold redirect to Raging Abe Simpson and His Grumbling Grandson in "The Curse of the Flying Hellfish". Sr13 18:43, 5 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Asa Phelps[edit]

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An article created for a character from The Simpsons that appears in a single episode, and is not notable in the story of the series, or episode. A suggestion has been made to move this page to List of one time characters in the Simpsons, however I don't think the character is even notable for that article. MrHate 02:38, 5 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. - Mailer Diablo 09:40, 10 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Alternate Endings (film)[edit]

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Non-notable student film; Googling "Alternate Endings" + "Greg Townsend" gives no significant independent sources. Masaruemoto 01:36, 5 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. W.marsh 22:41, 11 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Latin cultures[edit]

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The article is based on a concept that seemingly has no real sources to confirm it besides that, it is completely unsourced, full of disputable statements, let's simply say that it's primarly composed of Original Research without any source to back it up. As a member of WikiProject Puerto Rico I dislike doing this to a page involving my people but I can't in good consiense ignore all the issues on it. - 01:54, 5 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. - Mailer Diablo 09:40, 10 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Captain Luna Harper[edit]

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This character does not exist in the Pirates of the Caribbean. Since there is no fourth film, and the grammar is atrocious...fake. Sukecchi 02:23, 5 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was keep. - Mailer Diablo 10:12, 10 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

1984 NASL season[edit]

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Contested prod on this lone unreferenced article. Diff Prod rationale This long time unreferenced article appears to be an abandoned project, what would be sister articles 1985_NASL_season and 1983_NASL_season are both red links. It fails WP:V and has little hope becoming encyclopedic If there were other articles in the series they would/should be in Category:North American Soccer League but there are none there. While the topic would be notable, the complete text of the article is unreferenced and subject to removal, no one including the prod contester is motivated to reference it, I propose the article be deleted, as opposed to striped and left as a stub, as it will have to be completely rewritten from references if anyone ever does decide to "to fill in the missing years" Jeepday (talk) 02:22, 5 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. - Mailer Diablo 10:45, 10 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

PCLinuxOS MythEdition[edit]

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Notability to come. Chealer 01:59, 5 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was keep. Can't sleep, clown will eat me 08:41, 11 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Protein Wisdom (blog) (2nd nomination)[edit]

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Non-notable political blog (the 68th most popular political blog on the internet!). SkipSmith 01:41, 5 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Forgot to add the link to the previous nomination. SkipSmith 01:49, 5 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Why is it non notable exactly? 'let's hope it doesn't get recreated' isn't a reason for deletion. Nick mallory 02:59, 5 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]
I agree. The 'Truth Laid Bear' ecosystem lists the top 100 sites by links and is a good barometer of importance. In this internet age the Wikipedia standards for blogs are unrealistic and are bound to change in the future. Even by current standards though there's no rationale for the deletion of this one. Nick mallory 06:45, 5 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]
I'm not sure comparing the 68th ranked blog to the 68th ranked newspaper is a valid comparison. The 68th ranked newspaper in the US is the Press-Enterprise (Riverside, CA), with a daily circulation of 189,000 [53]. Proteinwisdom.com is currently getting 7251 visits per day [54]. SkipSmith 06:08, 6 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Wikipedia:Assume good faith Lurker 16:18, 5 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Changing vote to keep in light of recent edits Lurker 10:34, 6 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]
As far as the removed content, it was: Protein Wisdom suffered a DoS attack that was attributed to University of Arizona adjunct professor Deborah Frisch. Ms. Frish was also alleged to have engaged in blogstalking of Mr. Goldstein and his family. This content appeared to me to have little to do with the subject of the blog itself. Further, it seemed to bump up against WP:LIBEL, which is why I removed it.
Well it's now sourced to two newspapers and she's clearly admitted to doing it so I hope you don't feel the need to remove that information again. The political content of Protein Wisdom was exactly the reason why Ms Frish was commenting so fiercely upon it. She's a left wing activist and was strongly opposed to the opinions expressed on Protein Wisdom. "“I enjoy writing things that inflame, mock and infuriate the right” she says in an E mail interview with 'insidehighered' about the controversy which led to her resignation[55]. Let's be honest, no amount of sources are going to satisfy some editors as to the notability or otherwise of this blog. They'll always be dismissed as trivial or whatever. I leave it to the good sense of the closing admin to judge this on Wikipedia's guidelines and precedent. Nick mallory 04:43, 6 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]
I removed the information because an argument between the blog's owner and someone else is not really relevant to an article about the blog itself. The incident itself might be notable and deserve an entry, but the blog does not. An analogy: if the owner of a deli gets into a fist fight with a customer, the incident might make it into the paper, but they wouldn't write a feature article about the deli. The accusation about the DOS attack might also violate WP:LIBEL. SkipSmith 06:17, 6 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]
I agree the same rules should apply across the political spectrum (which in my opinion would mean more article deletions). No bad faith was intended, and I apologize for being unclear in my nomination earlier. SkipSmith 02:01, 6 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]
It was ranked 68th last year, so the article is factually correct. Are you arguing that any left wing blog ranked lower than 95 should also be deleted SkipSmith? I await your AfD nominations for them with baited breath. Nick mallory 04:43, 6 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]
I think any article on a blog that fails WP:WEB should be deleted, regardless of political leaning. I just happened to run across this one because I was editing Deborah Frisch and this blog was referenced on the talk page. And let's adhere to WP:CIVIL, please. SkipSmith 05:01, 6 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Another note on this blog's ranking --- it was quite inflated last year by an influx of visitors in July 2006 that were attracted by the Deborah Frisch incident. Before and after that incident blog traffic is much lower, as Alexa shows [57]. 95th is probably about the right over time ranking. SkipSmith 06:08, 6 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]
So the 7 sources regarding Protein Wisdom mentioned above and in the article presumably mean you're changing your opinion to a keep now? Nick mallory 06:55, 6 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]
I'm not sure how you reached that conclusion. Please re-read my clarification of the nomination. This article does not meet the criteria of WP:WEB, which you might want to take a look at. And while you're reviewing Wikipedia policy, you might also want to take a look at WP:CIVIL. SkipSmith 07:07, 6 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  1. Article does meet WP:WEB under criterion #1: content has been subject of multiple independent reports, all over the conservative/libertarian blogosphere.
  2. In any event, WP:WEB is only a guideline, and PW is an important member of the second tier of conservative/libertarian blogs.
  3. This article is not just about the blog. Jeff Goldstein redirects there, which is why PW article has a short bio of him.
  4. This article is not just about the blog. Wikipedia now covers the Frisch-Goldstein case there.
I hope my edits alleviate some or all of SkipSmith's concerns about how Wikipedia treats Ms. Frisch. Cheers, CWC 10:21, 6 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Well, my concern was with notability rather than the well-being of the players involved, but believe it or not, I think this latest revision addresses most of my concerns. I think one could make a case that this blog is notable in the context of the dispute between the owner and Frisch, so incorporating all that information in one place makes sense. I'm leaning towards keep now. Please check my edits and comment on the talk page and let me know what you all think. SkipSmith 17:13, 6 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was no consensus. W.marsh 22:30, 11 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Darren Spedale[edit]

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probable vanity page of non-notable lawyer Calliopejen1 01:18, 5 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

  • Its not really a small photo: Full resolution (798 × 1200 pixel, file size: 194 KB, MIME type: image/jpeg). The point was the article's creator also uploaded the picture of himself (tagging it pd-self "personal photo of author"), so that's the evidence of self promotion. -wizzard2k (CTD) 13:31, 5 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • I don't have much doubt that the author of the article and uploader of the photo is either the subject hoping to promote himself or someone who is acting on behalf of the subject to promote him. But that's not really the point of a deletion discussion. As long as the person can be shown to be genuinely notable (and he does seem to be; not wildly so, but mildly so) and the article, as it stands, is not a copyright violation or guilty of some other speedy-deletable offense, then the article should remain and simply be cleaned up such that it no longer reads simply as self-promotion, but rather as a genuinely informative, encyclopedic article about him. And the photo's size can easily be scaled down for display in the article. Mwelch 20:23, 5 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • So are you recommending that we keep this because someone will step forward and fix this? As I see it now, its practically the same [60] as the last revision by the original author, after a year and a half of edits. If someone wants to commit to rewriting it, then by all means keep it, otherwise I see no need to keep this around any longer. It can always be re-created with better content. You're right about the photo, it can be replaced with a smaller version, I just figured its fate (whatever direction) should be paired with this article. -wizzard2k (CTD) 20:36, 5 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • I'll get to it if/when I can find the time to adequately research the guy, and if someone doesn't beat me to it. But even aside from that, yes, I'd say to keep it and wait for "someone" to come clean it up. That is, in fact, the exact purpose served by the myriad of cleanup tags we have here: to bring attention to articles that need such service. There are countless articles around here that are pretty much crap in their current state. But again, as long as the subject is genuinely notable and they don't violate WP:CSD, the correct solution is not to delete, but to tag them for clean up. Simply "it needs to be cleaned up" is not a really valid reason for deletion. Agreed with you that the photo's fate should be the same as the article's. Mwelch 20:54, 5 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was delete. - Mailer Diablo 10:45, 10 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

List of Intros on Never Mind the Buzzcocks[edit]

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87 kilobytes of indiscriminate information; just a list of song intros played in a particular round of a game show. Put it in a fansite, not an encyclopedia. Masaruemoto 01:02, 5 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. - Mailer Diablo 10:46, 10 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Jewish-muslim war[edit]

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The stub is a tendentious and unencyclopedic POV on the Arab-Israeli conflict, an explosive subject for sure, but not a war in the usual sense of the word, and is not a religious conflict (of course the conflict has some religious overtones, but Judaism and Islam have a long and complex history together - the current title is a classic case of throwing the proverbial baby away with the bathwater ←Humus sapiens ну? 01:01, 5 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Humas Sapiens argument is with the political accuracy of the term Jewish-Muslim War. Sapien writes "not a war in the usual sense of the word, and is not a religious conflict (of course the conflict has some religious overtones, but Judaism and Islam have a long and complex history together." Sapiens statement itself supports the separate political meaning of the term.

Jewish Muslim war definately has meaning as a political statement whether one agrees with the statement or not. To delete this phrase is to delete it's powerful political meaning, certainly a gross violation of NPV.

As far as the phrase's significance, to devote two small paragraphs for a phrase used in a speech by the leading opposition leader of the largest and most powerful Mulsim countries in the world would seem fair.Live Free or Die 00:18, 6 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. Sr13 03:15, 10 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

List of songs about suicide[edit]

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Yesterday, I nominated List of songs whose title does not appear in the lyrics for deletion and am nominating this article for the same reason. This song is a list of... article, and like similar pages, should be deleted. However, there is always the chance of it being kept. Astrale01talkcontribs 00:57, 5 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

  • "Kill Myself" by Tim McGraw is just another example. Tim Q. Wells 21:19, 5 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • No, I just saw the article and thought I would mention it. I've nominated it for deletion here. Tim Q. Wells 18:12, 5 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]
encyclopedic? Useful, maybe for trivial reasons. Bulldog123 22:07, 5 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was delete. - Mailer Diablo 10:47, 10 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

List of famous British miles[edit]

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WP:NOT#DIR of loosely associated topics. A nickname for a street, a nickname for a group of streets, a nickname for a city, a name of a town, etc. No connection other than they all happen to contain the word "mile". Masaruemoto 00:39, 5 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete as having no chance of being kept. Sr13 05:33, 5 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Sleepy Princess (1958 film)[edit]

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I don't think Disney ever made a film called Sleepy Princess. This seems to be a hoax. Edit: On second thought, the original author may have meant to edit Sleeping Beauty (1959 film), although some of the information would be incorrect. --Ixfd64 00:51, 5 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was speedy keep. Definitely asserts notablilty. Sr13 05:37, 5 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Norman C. Skogstad[edit]

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This article was nominated for speedy deletion per A7, non-notability. I believe that notability was asserted sufficiently to avoid speedy deletion. I'm moving this to AFD instead. Procedural listing, no opinion for the moment, but I'm inclined to !vote keep, since the medals and awards imply notability, and Skogstad is included in the List of World War II air aces. AecisBrievenbus 00:44, 5 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was Speedy delete under WP:CSD#A7 (no assertion of notability); discussion closed early. WaltonAssistance! 19:15, 5 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Catholic Insight[edit]

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seems of limited interest to me. I would like to know what others think. Postcard Cathy 00:24, 5 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

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Second discussion was originally at this page, but I moved it to Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Mandrake of Oxford (2nd nomination).--Chaser - T 15:56, 14 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was speedy keep. The nomination was made by a sockpuppet of a blocked user. This closure is procedural and makes no judgement on the notability of the article; it may be renominated without prejudice by a user in good standing. MastCell Talk 15:43, 5 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Mandrake of Oxford[edit]

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The company clearly does not meet notability criteria, is not 'encyclopedic' and seems to be based on commercial-minded exposure/advertising. SKRINE2 00:18, 5 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Trivial or incidental coverage of a subject by secondary sources is not sufficient to establish notability.


Article Footnotes
^ a b Morgan, Mogg. Mandrake of Oxford: Who We Are

A self-published source which does not support notability

^ Evans, Dave. Occult E-books meets Mogg Morgan of Mandrake

"secondary sources" must not include ". . . works where the company, corporation, organization, or group talks about itself"

^ Morgan, Mogg. About me

A self-published source which does not support notability and is self-serving

^ Jan Fries Reviews

advertising for the company and does not support notability

^ UWE Bristol: The Journal for the Academic Study of Magic (JSM)

advertising for the company's act of publication only and does not support notability


Do not remove the detailed reasons given for deletion. Please stick to the content of the article in question and the Wikipedia criteria for retention.--SKRINE2 02:41, 5 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was delete. - Mailer Diablo 10:47, 10 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Forbes Fictional 15[edit]

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Finishing an incomplete nomination. -wizzard2k (CTD) 00:29, 5 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

  • I'm no copyright expert, but here's a source to compare the 2006 list: [64], and the 2002 list can be found on the wayback machine [65]. Looks pretty much copied from those two pages, with a little bit of consistency editing between the two years (originally, Burns was listed single [66], but in 2006 he was listed with one bastard child [67], so both versions were changed to reflect that. -wizzard2k (CTD) 00:59, 10 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was delete. - Mailer Diablo 10:48, 10 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Bid management[edit]

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Not a notable term, not referenced, and barely enough content to escape CSD A1/A3. A PROD would be moot since the creator opposed a CSD, and would likely oppose a PROD as well, so I'm taking this to AFD. King of 00:30, 5 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. - Mailer Diablo 10:48, 10 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

The Saint Index[edit]

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Blatant single-source promotion of a consulting group, which usurped the term "Saint Index" and now heavily promotes itself wherever possible. `'юзырь:mikka 15:13, 5 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. - Mailer Diablo 10:49, 10 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Michelle Santos[edit]

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Blatant advertising of nonnotable politician. `'юзырь:mikka 15:17, 5 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. - Mailer Diablo 10:49, 10 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

T198 ECK[edit]

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Unsourced, no assertion of notability, and not verifiable. It also appears to be entirely original research. I cannot see any reason why this particular police vehicle is notable. SunStar Net talk 20:05, 5 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. - Mailer Diablo 10:49, 10 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Paul Anthony Williams[edit]

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As far as I can see, this is a CV of a science researcher for TV programmes. I'm sure he's good at it - and deserves the credit. But encyclopedic? -Docg 17:39, 5 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Because he's just a researcher doing his job? Why is he notable?--Docg 22:28, 5 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]



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