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The result was delete‎. Surprised to see so many editors weighing in on this particular AFD. Maybe it's a sign we'll soon have more editors thoughtfully participating in the hundreds of other open discussions which would be welcome! Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 22:27, 15 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

David Louton[edit]

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Likely doesn't pass WP:NPROF. None of the sources provided on the page are independent of the subject. Google Scholar indicates he's been cited 553 times since 1996 with one second-author paper cited 115 times. Otherwise, I've searched Google, NYT, AP, and the Wiki Library without anything finding notable. Significa liberdade (she/her) (talk) 23:57, 8 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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• Delete. Agree with nom. WP:Too soon in this highly cited field. Xxanthippe (talk) 00:08, 9 January 2024 (UTC).[reply]
• Comment to add that I have found one source on Newspapers.com (1), but I still don't think it helps establish notability. Significa liberdade (she/her) (talk) 00:52, 9 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  Comment SPI launched for article creator. Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/Pin134 RetroCosmos ^talk 03:59, 9 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• Delete. "Too soon" is inaccurate for someone who has been a professor since 1991, but his citation record doesn't pass WP:PROF#C1 and the best paper awards aren't at the level needed for #C2. I don't see anything else that could lead to notability here. —David Eppstein (talk) 00:57, 9 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete. Agree with nom. WP:Too soon. Also failed Wikipedia:NPROF. Youknowwhoistheman (talk) 07:21, 9 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete. The reference for having achieved notability is from his employer, and his awards are several decades old best papers.EasyAsPai (talk) 01:42, 10 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete The citespam in the lead—which contains not a single source that demonstrates notability—is all the more reason to delete. RetroCosmos ^talk 12:29, 10 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• Comment I agree. Wikipedia is not the place to put everyone’s finance professor or the children of every famous missionary. I see no reason that this article should be held on Wikipedia. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Jerryman1 (talk • contribs) 17:57, 10 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete per nom, considering the WP:SPI, an array of WP:REFSPAM & non-WP:SIGCOV as well. TLA (talk) 05:25, 15 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete per nom. Rusty4321 ^{talk contribs} 16:18, 15 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete‎. Just a reminder, "Soft Delete" is not possible if any editor has argued to Keep an article in the discussion or if the article has been previously PROD'd or brought to AFD before. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 22:30, 15 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Elshad Mamedov[edit]

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There is no independent reliable sourcing on the subject. It's all sourced to Azerbajaini government outlets. The subject died during a coup attempt on Azerbajain's authoritarian regime and was subsequently martyrized by the regime. Nothing in the article is verifiable. Thenightaway (talk) 12:11, 1 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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• Keep National hero. Has widespread coverage. Hawkeye7 (discuss) 19:03, 2 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• Can you point to one independent reliable source that covered the subject? Thenightaway (talk) 19:14, 2 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  None of the sources were authored by the subject and the government of Azerbajain is authorative on who it considers a national hero. Other sources: [1] Hawkeye7 (discuss) 21:25, 2 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• The source you linked to is neither reliable nor is it about the subject of the article. The "Elshad Mammadov" mentioned in the source is not the same person as the subject of this article. Thenightaway (talk) 21:34, 2 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  I find it hard to believe that there were two national heroes called Elshad Mammadov Hawkeye7 (discuss) 05:34, 9 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  It seems to be a reasonably common name in Azerbaijan. The one in your source died about 25 years after the one described here. Phil Bridger (talk) 16:34, 13 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• Delete, unless more SIGCOV is found. For a claim as big as him being a national hero, I need to see WAYYY more sources than the ones provided so far. InvadingInvader (userpage, talk) 15:46, 8 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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• Soft delete Has some sources, but not independent, could be a notable subject, but a search on google returns results unrelated to the subject.

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• Comment. He apparently played a role in suppression of 1995 Azerbaijani coup attempt, but the page does not say it. What role, exactly? Not clear. The page is so poorly sourced and written that I am leaning "delete". My very best wishes (talk) 03:21, 9 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete: Fails GNG and NBIO. Not seeing anything from WP:IS WP:RS with WP:SIGCOV addressing the subject directly and indepth. Ping me if WP:IS WP:RS with WP:SIGCOV are found.  // Timothy :: talk  06:50, 15 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was no consensus‎. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 22:31, 15 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Vazeh Asgarov[edit]

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There is no independent reliable sourcing about the subject. They do not meet general notability requirements nor notability requirements for academics or government officials. One of many articles spammed by a ring of editors who are singularly focused on promoting the Azerbaijani government/elites. Thenightaway (talk) 13:02, 1 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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@Thenightaway: Considering the large wave of Azerbaijan AfD's like this one that involve WP:MEAT, have you considered alerting WP:COIN? –LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 04:21, 3 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• I have compiled a list of 20 or so accounts. It's hard to tell if it's WP:COI editing, WP:MEAT or incompetence. Thenightaway (talk) 12:23, 3 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• Comment. Keeping high administrative positions in scientific institution is not a proof of notability. My very best wishes (talk) 00:38, 6 January 2024 (UTC) Please see discussion below. My very best wishes (talk) 05:07, 9 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  Hello. I don't want you to misunderstand me. But I have a question. He is the rector of the university. Doesn't that make it notable? Azerbaijan State Oil and Industry University is one of the first universities of Azerbaijan. And not a small university. Even, French-Azerbaijani University operates under this university. I have seen an article on the English wikipedia about rectors of universities much smaller than this university. Atakhanli (talk) 19:21, 7 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

This is covered by Wikipedia:Notability_(academics)#Criteria. One can argue #6 would be applicable here i.e. The person has held a highest-level elected or appointed administrative post at a major academic institution or major academic society.. I assume this means "a major academic institution" at the international, rather than national scale. What is the international academic ranking of this institution according to reputable RS? If it is within first 500, I would say he passes #6. My very best wishes (talk) 19:44, 8 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for your reply. So, in your opinion, how correct and fair is it to compare Azerbaijani university with the universities of giant countries such as the USA and Canada? I searched for that university in Shanghai Ranking (Academic Ranking of World Universities). No result. I even searched for Baku State University, the first university of Azerbaijan. But still no result came out. I also searched for "QS Rankings". But no university of Azerbaijan is in the TOP500. Atakhanli (talk) 20:59, 8 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

OK, I also checked Wikipedia:Notability_(academics)#Specific_criteria_notes #6b ("Criterion 6 may be satisfied, for example, if the person has held the post of president or chancellor (or vice-chancellor in countries where this is the top academic post) of a significant accredited college or university, director of a highly regarded, notable academic independent research institute or center (which is not a part of a university), president of a notable national or international scholarly society, etc."). Hence, he might pass. However, after looking at this page, there seems to be a WP:COI issue with creating this and other pages. My very best wishes (talk) 23:28, 8 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

In this case it seems like the sensible thing to do would be to compare this university to other universities in the same country, rather than against all universities internationally. But I don't know anything at all about the system in Azerbaijan so I'm not sure what would be reasonable to suggest. Is there a domestic university ranking? -- asilvering (talk) 23:41, 8 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I doubt about this in general. For example, the best university in a very small country may not qualify as a good/notable educational institution. Therefore, one needs international rankings. However, I think that this specific institution in Baku could qualify as "a significant accredited college or university". But again, accredited by whom? For example, an advanced degree issued by this institution would probably not be recognized as such in the USA. My very best wishes (talk) 00:11, 9 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I said that these universities are not in TOP500. But you killed it :D Of course, these universities are accredited and their diplomas are recognized around the world. Recently, even the report of accredited universities in Azerbaijan was published. I can't find it now, but I will tomorrow.

This university even has a dual degree program with the University of Warwick. Atakhanli (talk) 01:29, 9 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The international acceptance of something like PhD or Candidate of Sciences degree depends on specific field. My very best wishes (talk) 05:07, 9 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I don't think "good" and "notable" are the same thing here, and I don't think whether its degrees are recognized in the USA is relevant to the notability of its chancellor/rector/etc. -- asilvering (talk) 07:01, 15 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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• Keep. WP:PROF#C6 has always been interpreted to confer notability on anyone who has the highest-level academic post at a university whose degrees are widely accepted. The only reason that it doesn't simply say "at a university" is that the title "university" is not protected in the US as it is in most of the rest of the world. Phil Bridger (talk) 16:45, 13 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
• Soft keep. Unless someone more familiar with higher education in Azerbaijan weighs in with good evidence that the subject does not meet WP:NPROF as the rector of Azerbaijan State Oil and Industry University, I think we should accept that argument (see comment thread above). Moreover, he has the Ordre des Palmes académiques, which indicates a certain degree of recognition in French academia. -- asilvering (talk) 07:10, 15 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was keep. The addition of sources was helpful in the consensus for a keep. TLA (talk) 12:04, 14 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Battle of Vänersborg[edit]

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I couldn't find the sources to show this meets WP:N, or find a possible merge target. Boleyn (talk) 09:41, 25 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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• Comment. I have somewhat expanded the article, adding at least a basic source. I have books which ought to have more detail. I'll investigate in a couple of days, once I'm done with the Christmas celebrations. /Julle (talk) 12:50, 25 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
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• Comment: I've added a couple of references (most importantly from the book Vänersborgs historia : Tiden till 1838 by Carl-Fredrik Corin, the museum website is more of a passing mention) and expanded the article somewhat. /Julle (talk) 01:21, 27 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
• Comment Not too happy with this. A few words in a newspaper in 1645 is not great, and I've always been somewhat skeptical about using museums as sources. I'll assume the book is good, since I have no access to it myself. I'd be inclined to !vote to merge to Torstenson War for now, but that is also in a rather abysmal state I'm not really feeling that either. -Ljleppan (talk) 10:40, 29 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

  Ljleppan: The book is better than the other sources, but perhaps not enough on its own supported only by two weaker sources. I've requested an interlibrary loan of two other books which I hope will either prove useful, or where the lack of proper information should indicate this topic shouldn't be a separate article. /Julle (talk) 10:44, 2 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  @Julle: sounds good, let me know how it turns out. I'd be happy to change my !vote if the books warrant it. Ljleppan (talk) 12:10, 2 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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• Merge to Torstenson War as an alternative to deletion - Notability remains questionable and even if notable, this looks like it'd function better as a part of the broader article. No prejudice towards recreation if enough sources are found to actually make this any meaningful length. -Ljleppan (talk) 15:58, 1 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  Not opposed to Vänersborg as an alternative merge target, per asilvering below. Ljleppan (talk) 09:18, 9 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  Weak keep - The second book source identified by Julle below drags this over the line for me even if I somewhat dislike their age. I still think the current content would better work as part of some larger article that gave more context, but that's an issue to better addressed through normal editing rather than deletion. -Ljleppan (talk) 17:23, 13 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• I've requested an interlibrary loan for two books which could be useful here, Vilhelm Vessberg's Bidrag till historien om Sveriges krig med Danmark 1643-1645 : Kriget på norska gränsen and Carl Oscar Munthe's Hannibalsfejden 1644–1645 : Den norske hærs bloddåb. They should hopefully prove useful in building out this article. If not, that'll have convinced me this shouldn't be a separate article. /Julle (talk) 10:43, 2 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  @Julle Any luck? -- asilvering (talk) 23:37, 8 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  Asilvering: They have replied to my request and sent for at least one of them, but it hasn't arrived yet. /Julle (talk) 23:39, 8 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  The books have arrived, but have to be read at the library; I can't bring them home. Hoping to find the time sit down there over the weekend. /Julle (talk) 20:48, 11 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  OK, nevermind, only one of them had arrived. Still waiting for the other. /Julle (talk) 17:17, 12 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  Ping asilvering and Ljleppan. Bidrag till historien om Sveriges krig med Danmark 1643–1645 : Kriget på norska gränsen wasn't terribly useful (it mentioned it, of course, but about in the same detail as some other sources), but Hannibalsfeiden 1643–45 : Den norske hærs bloddåb had an entire chapter called "The Norwegians' failed attack on Vänersborg and their retreat within the borders of Norway", which convinces me that this is a reasonable topic for a Wikipedia article. /Julle (talk) 16:18, 13 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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• Comment: "merge without prejudice" per Ljleppan seems the right way to go here, but I'm not crazy about adding it to Torstenson War, as there really isn't any other information at that detail level there. Given that the sources on the battle article include the local museum, I assume it's of more interest on Vänersborg. Thoughts? -- asilvering (talk) 23:48, 8 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  Sounds good to me. Ljleppan (talk) 09:29, 9 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• Merge to Vänersborg per above comment (unless those sources come in for Julle in time, in which case ping me). -- asilvering (talk) 00:54, 10 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  Keep, since sources did come in in time. -- asilvering (talk) 18:15, 13 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• Keep. Carl Oscar Munthe's Hannibalsfeiden 1643–45 : Den norske hærs bloddåb ("The Hannibal War 1643–45 : The Baptism of Blood of the Norwegian Army") has an entire chapter called "Normændens mislykkede angreb på Wenersborg og deres retræt indenfor Norges grænser" ("The Norwegians' failed attack on Vänersborg and their retreat within the borders of Norway"). It does cover more than the attack on Vänersborg, but there's plenty of focus on subject of the article here. In combination with the other sources, I think this is enough that it makes sense for us to have an article, not least because I don't think this level of detail would fit well into the current state of the article about Vänersborg. /Julle (talk) 16:15, 13 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  Nice work finding the book, I've adjusted my !vote above. Ljleppan (talk) 17:24, 13 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete‎. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 22:44, 15 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Maratha raid on Delhi (1737)[edit]

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The sources seem to be (where I can view them) a collection of snippets and/or fail wp:v. Slatersteven (talk) 18:09, 1 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Oppose Merge: I am also concerned about verifiability of several portions but the incident itself is regarded as a indicator of the decline of the Mughal Empire. While the article does cite a Mughal victory, the reality is that Bajirao did successfully evade the Mughal army, attack the outskirts of Mughal capital and retreat before the Mughal empire could effectively mount a counter attack. It must have had a tremendous effect on morale. Check out page 116 of Mehta's Advanced Study in the History of Modern India, it's available online. It's also described in some detail in Mountstuart Elphinstone's book History of India Vol II on pages 609-610. There are several additional sources that discuss the longterm effects of the incident, but I'm heading to work so I'll leave you with the few available online:

• page 68 of Delhi, Agra, Fatehpur Sikri
• page 12 of History of Modern India, written by S.N. Sen, Professor of History at Univerity of Calcutta.

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Some of the sources you have used here fails WP:RAJ. But I do agree that Bajirao successfully defeated a Mughal contingent at the outskirts of the Delhi. But they were defeated by the Mughals during the retreat march. Consider reading this section. Imperial^[AFCND] 05:56, 2 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Right, he was eventually defeated, hence the Mughal victory is appropriate. I do concede you have an excellent point about Elphinstone, though. Annwfwn (talk) 15:56, 2 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

"eventually defeated"? Slatersteven (talk) 16:02, 2 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Annwfwn this seems like a good argument for dealing with the raid on Muhammad Shah, Mughal Empire, and Mughal–Maratha Wars, rather than in a separate article. -- asilvering (talk) 22:21, 2 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

This seems like a good idea. But there are hundreds, may be thousands of such "Battle of X" kind of articles in wikipedia of Indian history itself. I am pretty sure that there are many articles that fails GNG and poorly sourced (just mentioning in a line in books, and doing SYNTH for making up the article. Even I did that sometimes.). So, should we go for all of it? Imperial^[AFCND] 05:02, 3 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Well... yes. If the topics don't meet GNG and are poorly sourced, they should be dealt with - by redirecting to appropriate parent articles, by incorporating into a list article, by deletion, or by whatever other means make sense for the topic at hand. That's true of all poorly sourced, non-notable articles, not just ones on Indian military history (though there certainly are a lot of Indian milhist articles that fit this description). -- asilvering (talk) 07:21, 3 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Fine. In this case, this military conflict is a part of campaign of Marathas aganist Mughals. In that campaign itself, over 5 military conflicts happened. So should we create a single article for the whole campaign consisting all the conflicts, or should we delete this with just a redirect(context is already covered)? Consider Battle of Jalesar too. That was the part of the campaign. And I agree with the point of @Annwfwn that this campaign have a significant role for the Maratha-Mughal conflict in 18th century. I would go for merging this article with Battle of Jalesar, and then move that into a better title. Imperial^[AFCND] 10:14, 3 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Two wrongs do not make a right, if you know of any other articles like this nominat3 them for AFD, do not use it as an argument to keep this one. We can't know about every article that exits here, only that that crosses our radar. Slatersteven (talk) 10:31, 3 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Hey. When did I say that two wrongs would make a right? I said it would be better to create an article for the entire campaign instead of having articles for minor conflicts that would have low notability. Neither I supported keeping this article (see my vote). Imperial^[AFCND] 12:34, 3 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Its indentation makes it clear, that was not a reply to you. Slatersteven (talk) 12:37, 3 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Okay. I have a foolish behaviour that I reply to every comments I get notified thinking that is for me. Imperial^[AFCND] 12:49, 3 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Er, was it supposed to be a reply to me? I'm not sure how what I said could possibly be read as an argument in favour of keeping this article. -- asilvering (talk) 07:52, 4 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks all, I think @User:ImperialAficionado has a valid suggestion that it can be merged into an article with the Battle Jalesar and the additional campaigns of this period. I've revised my position. Annwfwn (talk) 23:18, 3 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• Support deletion. We can merge this with the Battle of Jalesar (1737), and could move the article into a suitable name other than the current name. So in that case, we could build a better and more notable article as both the Battle of Jalesar and the raid on Delhi was the part of the same event.Imperial^[AFCND] 06:04, 2 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete Cannot find significant coverage dedicated to this battle in any scholarly sources. Georgethedragonslayer (talk) 14:06, 2 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
• Merge properly sourced content to Battle of Jalesar (1737) per above.  // Timothy :: talk  04:50, 7 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete. I don't see any properly sourced content worth merging. -- asilvering (talk) 23:33, 8 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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• Delete. Sources like hindu.com on history subjects are unreliable and when I looked into the raid that the article is on, there is source missing and the one that is there does not get the assistance from the source and fails verification. This holds no warrant to have an article of its own due to lack of significant notability. RangersRus (talk) 00:08, 15 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• Delete for now. Not great WP:SIGCOV that merits a standalone article. Merge would be possible, but I would like to see better sourcing for the content. TLA (talk) 05:31, 15 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete‎. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 22:46, 15 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Battle of Udgir[edit]

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One source, for a "battle" with fewer men than a pub brawl, really? Slatersteven (talk) 18:35, 1 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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• Delete passing mention is a single ref. More Indian battlebollox. Mccapra (talk) 23:24, 1 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep as it finds mention in various online English sources. Also being called as apogee of Maratha empire. (Source added in article). §§Dharmadhyaksha§§ {Talk / Edits} 08:40, 2 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• PLease read wp:n. Slatersteven (talk) 11:08, 2 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

What part of it? §§Dharmadhyaksha§§ {Talk / Edits} 09:37, 10 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• Merge to Third Battle of Panipat#Prelude -- As a standalone article, this fails WP:GNG and WP:NEVENT on just about every criterion. There is no lasting WP:EFFECT here and not nearly enough detail on the event to make an encyclopaedic article. Cheers, Last1in (talk) 13:17, 2 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Not sure how are they related apart from the fact that one party was common. Panipat battle was with Durranis some 1600 kms away from Udgir where Marathas fought Hyderabadi Nizam. §§Dharmadhyaksha§§ {Talk / Edits} 09:43, 10 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• Delete. Merge is unsuitable as this article is not reliably sourced. -- asilvering (talk) 23:29, 8 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Which source used in the article is unreliable? §§Dharmadhyaksha§§ {Talk / Edits} 09:43, 10 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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• Delete. I do not find a complete detail or even a paragraph heavily describing the battle and most of the sources are unreliable. There is no noteworthy notability for a justification to have an article of its own.RangersRus (talk) 23:51, 14 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• Delete: Fails GNG and NEVENT per above. Not every individual fight mentioned somewhere in a book needs its own article. I'd be open to trimming and merging if someone can show proper sourcing.  // Timothy :: talk  07:28, 15 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete‎. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 22:47, 15 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

List of current USFL team rosters[edit]

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League no longer exists, thus there are no "current team rosters" now. In addition, these lists are WP:INDISCRIMINATE. Let'srun (talk) 19:47, 1 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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• Merge to and create List of current UFL team rosters, to update for the newly-merged league. BeanieFan11 (talk) 19:54, 1 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  • Hard disagree on a merge. Do you have a policy based rationale that these lists don't violate WP:NOTDATABASE, other than WP:OSE? Let'srun (talk) 19:57, 1 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  Do you have a rationale as to how this constitutes a "summary-only description of a work", "lyrics database", "excessive listing of unexplained statistics" or "exhaustive log of software updates"? BeanieFan11 (talk) 19:57, 1 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  Simply, these types of lists simply regurgitate and reproduce the non-independent and primary roster lists at the teams' respective websites (violating both LISTN and INDISCRIMINATE to their core). Unlike NFL or NBA team rosters where secondary and independent sources most definitely exist, this and many of the other lists on this type don't serve any useful purpose for navigation (due to many of the subjects within them not holding notability themselves, and as such they don't provide any real info beyond that of a database. Readers are much better off simply visiting the league and team websites where they can see automatically updated rosters with more info on individual players than what is contained here, or in a hypothetical merge. Let'srun (talk) 20:05, 1 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  Will keep replies at Xfl discussion so as to not waste twice the effort explaining the same thing. BeanieFan11 (talk) 20:08, 1 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• Speedy create List of current UFL team rosters and speedy redirect both this and the similar XFL page to the newly created page in order to protect the respective page histories. The XFL and USFL no longer exist so there is no reason to have a current roster page. In my opinion this does not need to go through AFD but we are here anyway. I agree with Beaniefan that these lists do not violate NOTDATABASE as most of the listed athletes are notable. Frank Anchor 22:21, 1 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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• Delete. This is a great example of why Wikipedia should rarely (if ever) host "list of current..." pages: they're all at risk of becoming irrelevant, like this one has. Since notability is not temporary, we must infer that these topics weren't notable to begin with. If we really must maintain lists of team rosters, they ought to be per season, rather than "current". pburka (talk) 04:42, 11 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• Delete. Where else contains all of this information? League and team websites, where such primary directory data are more accurate, updated automatically, and linked to more info on these mainly non-notable players. We are not a mirror of directories on the internet, we are supposed to summarize a topic that has itself already received significant secondary independent coverage.

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The result was ‎Keep. There is consensus here that this is adequately sourced content that should not be deleted. There is not consensus as to whether it should remain as a seperate list or be merged into the parent article. This AfD closure should not be understood to prejudice any merge discussions on the article talk page. Eluchil404 (talk) 03:17, 16 January 2024 (UTC)(non-admin closure)[reply]

List of Negima episodes[edit]

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• Delete The list contains the episode information from three(!) different TV series sharing a name. Not to mention that the article has no sourcing demonstrating WP:GNG, I don't believe that this article is up to WP standards and should be WP:TNT. Tooncool64 (talk) 19:50, 1 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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• Merge/split/rename or whatever you would call my decision: per WP:NLIST, pages like these can exist. However I don't think there's any reason to include the pages for the other two series based on the manga. So here's what I would do:

• 1. either merge the episode list for the original Negima anime to the original article at the Anime section, or if it gets too long, keep it there. If the latter happens, rename the article to List of Negima! episodes or List of Negima! (TV series) episodes. I don't know much about naming conventions so I don't know if a ! is enough disambiguation especially with the similarly titled TV series with a !? instead.
• 2. Merge Negima!? episodes to the corresponding article.
• 3. Merge the Negima live-action episodes to the section in the Negima manga page... or not? I haven't seen any other pages for mangas that have been adapted for live-action series have a whole episode table yet unless it's notable enough for a separate article (see Komi Can't Communicate, Erased, Guilty or generally many of the articles in Category:Japanese television dramas based on manga).

So, yeah, that's my opinion. Spinixster (chat!) 10:12, 2 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• Merge - agree with Spinixster, this page is too cluttered with three different media properties. Should be split and merged into their respective topics. Kazamzam (talk) 14:26, 9 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• Keep Each show should have its own episode list article, so keep this one for the main show, and create articles for the other two. Dream Focus 11:06, 3 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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• Keep. General practice is for TV shows/animes to have lists of episodes in separate articles for the sake of convenience: we don't require independent notability for the list of episodes as its own topic. Splitting pages is a separate issue from deletion (and seems like it is a good idea here, but that is not germane to AfD). jp×g🗯️ 19:38, 9 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete‎. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 22:49, 15 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

List of current XFL team rosters[edit]

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League no longer exists, thus there aren't any "current team rosters" anymore. These lists violate WP:NOTDATABASE as it is. Let'srun (talk) 19:50, 1 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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• Merge to and create List of current UFL team rosters, to update for the newly-merged league. BeanieFan11 (talk) 19:54, 1 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  Hard disagree on a merge. Do you have a policy based rationale that these lists don't violate WP:NOTDATABASE, other than WP:OSE? Let'srun (talk) 19:55, 1 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  Do you have a rationale as to how this constitutes a "summary-only description of a work", "lyrics database", "excessive listing of unexplained statistics" or "exhaustive log of software updates"? BeanieFan11 (talk) 19:57, 1 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  Simply, these types of lists simply regurgitate and reproduce the non-independent and primary roster lists at the teams' respective websites (violating both LISTN and INDISCRIMINATE to their core). Unlike NFL or NBA team rosters where secondary and independent sources most definitely exist, this and many of the other lists don't serve any useful purpose for navigation (due to many of the subjects within them not holding notability themselves, and as such they don't provide any real info beyond that of a database. Readers are much better off simply visiting the league and team websites where they can see automatically updated rosters with more info on individual players than what is contained here, or in a hypothetical merge. Let'srun (talk) 20:04, 1 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  You've done a vague wave to NOTDATABASE, but haven't explained exactly why it applies. Now, you state that this has no purpose for navigation because many of the subjects within them [do not hold notability] and that Readers are much better off simply visiting the league and team websites where they can see automatically updated rosters with more info on individual players: well, a good majority I'd say (~75%?) of the athletes in these leagues are notable and, although you may think that readers are better left off to read the rosters at the team websites, 775 people a day would disagree with you. BeanieFan11 (talk) 20:12, 1 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• Speedy create List of current UFL team rosters and speedy redirect both this and the similar USFL page to the newly created page in order to protect the respective page histories. The XFL and USFL no longer exist so there is no reason to have a current roster page. In my opinion this does not need to go through AFD but we are here anyway. I agree with Beaniefan that these lists do not violate NOTDATABASE as most of the listed athletes are notable. Frank Anchor 22:20, 1 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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• Delete. This is a great example of why Wikipedia should rarely (if ever) host "list of current..." pages: they're all at risk of becoming irrelevant, like this one has. Since notability is not temporary, we must infer that these topics weren't notable to begin with. If we really must maintain lists of team rosters, they ought to be per season, rather than "current". pburka (talk) 04:39, 11 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• Delete. Agreed with Pburka and Let'srun. Such rosters are just less informative, poorly-updated versions of the league/team websites and create a maintenance timesink.

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Economic Zones Development Agency (Azerbaijan)[edit]

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This is a recent initiative by the Azerbaijani state that a COI account immediately created a Wikipedia article for. There is no independent reliable sourcing on the subject. It's solely sourced to government outlets. Thenightaway (talk) 19:50, 1 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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• Redirect to Ministry of Economy (Azerbaijan): where it is already mentioned. No evidence of independent notability. Owen× ☎ 23:40, 8 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
• Redirect to Ministry of Economy (Azerbaijan), no SIGCOV from WP:IS WP:RS showing this needs a stand alone article.  // Timothy :: talk  08:08, 15 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
• Redirect to Ministry of Economy (Azerbaijan) per WP:SIGCOV WP:RS Rusty4321 ^{talk contribs} 16:20, 15 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was redirect‎ to Steel Storm. (non-admin closure) asilvering (talk) 02:20, 15 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Kot-in-Action Creative Artel[edit]

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Notability doubtful IgelRM (talk) 20:06, 1 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Forgot to mention, should be suitable redirect to Steel Storm, IgelRM (talk) 23:52, 8 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• Redirect to Steel Storm. Could not find any significant coverage through a Google search. - Cukie Gherkin (talk) 11:26, 11 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
• Redirect – per nom + passing mentions. TLA (talk) 06:36, 14 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was redirect‎ to List of Miss Intercontinental winners. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 22:55, 15 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Patraporn Wang[edit]

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AFD as PROD is likely to be contested. Article has been deleted before in this AFD. The contest itself is considered as not-notable per this AFD. In my opinion, this article failed WP:GNG as the subject of the article is not notable enough. Thank you. ✠ SunDawn ✠ (contact) 18:37, 25 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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• Comment: There's quite a lot of coverage surrounding her pageant participations this year, though most of it isn't particularly high quality.[2][3][4][5][6][7][8] --Paul_012 (talk) 05:59, 26 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete Although the subject has been involved in and won more notable pageants (Miss Supranational Thailand) since the first deletion, I don't believe there is enough significant coverage from reliable sources to pass GNG, with the above linked coverage seeming to be mostly tabloid based. pinktoebeans ^(talk) 21:14, 1 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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• Redirect: There are plenty of sources here but she only appears to be famous for one thing. As a result, this should be a redirect to the beauty pageant article. Rublamb (talk) 00:47, 6 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Which one? She's participated in many. I assume you mean Mister and Miss Supranational Thailand? --Paul_012 (talk) 09:56, 6 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

    • According to the article, she has only won Miss Interncontinental, with a link to List of Miss Intercontinental Winners. However, you are correct that Mister and Miss Supranational Thailand would be another and probably better option. I am assuming it is a more significant competition based on the lack of an article for Miss Intercontinental. Rublamb (talk) 14:43, 6 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• Delete Not very notable. --Artene50 (talk) 23:39, 6 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was keep‎. While several of the keep !votes are not based in Wikipedia policy, there appears to be a consensus since the final relist that sufficient coverage does exist to meet WP:GNG. _signed, Rosguill ^talk 14:53, 16 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Dolores Cannon[edit]

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No significant coverage in reliable sources, and thus fails WP:BASIC. As Cullen328 pointed out in a deletion discussion for this article a decade ago, the subject is a "non-notable crank". ~~ AirshipJungleman29 (talk) 23:24, 1 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep - Please see the Authority control databases at the bottom of her article. In additional to international sources relating to her, there is also: the Library of Congress link brings up 22 resources (1931-2014), WorldCat has "481 Results" (likely duplicates therein) I think she's notable. — Maile (talk) 23:57, 1 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• • Just to be clear Maile66, all the results and resources at the Library of Congress and WorldCat are her own self-published books on reincarnation, prophecies, UFOs, and other WP:FRINGE topics (e.g. Conversations with Nostradamus, The search for hidden sacred knowledge, and Between death & life : conversations with a spirit. Check the plot summaries if you're not convinced on how bonkers she is. ) This is not enough to pass WP:NAUTHOR, which is presumably what you were referring to. ~~ AirshipJungleman29 (talk) 01:38, 2 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

    Being "bonkers" is not means for deletion. She is an author with a significant following who has written 16 books. Her work documents her personal experiences in hypnotherapy, which still gains consistent attention even after her death. She's frequently referenced by other authors and figures within spiritual communities. Yeah, some of her works are pretty speculative and controversial, but she's still a significant person nonetheless. 170.103.65.126 (talk) 06:02, 2 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

    Her books are all self-published and none of the attention/frequent references provided thus far meet the requirements outlined at WP:GNG. You are free to provide ones which do. ~~ AirshipJungleman29 (talk) 14:07, 2 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

    The impact and relevance of an author should not be dismissed solely based on whether they are self-published or traditionally published. The value of her (controversial) contribution lies in the content and influence of her work within spiritual communities. Ultimately, her contributions have played a role in ongoing dialogue and practices within the hypnotherapy movement. For these very reasons she shouldn't be deleted 2600:1004:B192:1F2A:F0D2:B902:344E:2F03 (talk) 17:58, 2 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

    That's not a source. ~~ AirshipJungleman29 (talk) 18:53, 2 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

    Comment: I have created a publication list for the article. At least two of her books were published by a British firm and three by American West Publishers. As for the rest, self-published as we think of it today is not exactly the situation here. She established a New Age publishing company that eventually worked with more than 50 authors from around the world and still exists today. Her books published through this company were reviewed in trade publications, the NYT, and the Washington Post. Her books were issued in many languages and distributed around the world. Most are still in print today and were reissued as ebooks and audiobooks. I even found an article where she was invited to attend the American Library Association conference because of her new book. Although these books are not sources, I do think we should consider their impact regardless of the publisher. Rublamb (talk) 04:06, 5 January 2024 (UTC)

    Rublamb (talk) 04:10, 5 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• Comment Didn't we just have a conversation about deletion for her at the end of December 2023 which resulted in keep? DaffodilOcean (talk) 01:42, 2 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, we did on December 21. Thanks for bringing that up. Looks like someone is going to keep listing this, until they get the result they want. I'm striking myself above, because I don't want to get caught in that loop. That, and the fact, that I'm not real thrilled that the nominator has to tell me how to interpret the sources I listed. — Maile (talk) 01:55, 2 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• Delete and SALT Fails NAUTHOR. This was deleted years ago and should not have been re-created. Chris Troutman (talk) 03:22, 2 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• Keep. Repeating what I said for the second deletion nomination. The official government encyclopedia for the State of Arkansas considers Dolores Cannon notable and I found mentions in these mainstream sources:
  • https://encyclopediaofarkansas.net/media/dolores-cannon-10471/ (Quote: "The CALS Encyclopedia of Arkansas is a project of the Central Arkansas Library System (CALS) in Little Rock, Arkansas. It is the only state encyclopedia in the country to be produced by a library system.")
  • https://www.vice.com/en/article/k7894e/past-life-regression-therapy-mind-zoom
  • https://www.nytimes.com/2023/11/16/books/review/tracy-k-smith-interview.html
  • https://www.theportugalnews.com/news/2023-08-25/what-is-quantum-healing/80827
  • https://www.mirror.co.uk/3am/celebrity-news/cheryl-been-meditating-reading-aliens-24354598
  • https://www.brantfordexpositor.ca/news/local-news/conference-puts-focus-on-hypnosis-alternative-healing
  • https://www.digitaljournal.com/pr/meet-the-woman-behind-the-popular-awakening-starseeds-series-radhaa-nilia
  • https://www.newspapers.com/newspage/204592570/
  • https://www.newspapers.com/newspage/144854786/
  • https://www.newspapers.com/newspage/498412971/
  • https://www.newspapers.com/newspage/177845281/
  • https://www.newspapers.com/newspage/207695974/
  • https://www.newspapers.com/newspage/427682921/
  • https://www.newspapers.com/newspage/427682735/
  • https://www.newspapers.com/newspage/83793704/
  • https://www.newspapers.com/newspage/259528587/

The article just needs a more citations and improvement flag at top from WP:CLEANUPTAG. Just because no editor swiftly stepped forward to improve the article is no reason to delete it. Wikipedia:Deletion policy says: If editing can address all relevant reasons for deletion, this should be done rather than deleting the page. The above list of potential sources appears on the article's talk page for any editor to use to improve the article. 5Q5|^✉ 12:47, 2 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• • "Mentions" are not significant coverage, 5Q5. Let's take a look at your first seven sources (I cannot access the newspapers.com sources. perhaps they contain the necessary coverage?)

Source	Text on D. Cannon	Comments
https://encyclopediaofarkansas.net/media/dolores-cannon-10471/	"Dolores Cannon directed the Ozark Mountain UFO Conference from 2013 until her death in 2014. She is shown here in 2013."	Consisting of two sentences and an image, this clearly does not meet SIGCOV.
https://www.vice.com/en/article/k7894e/past-life-regression-therapy-mind-zoom	"I reached out to Teja Priyadarshini, a certified past life regression therapy practitioner from India, who uses a technique called Quantum Healing Hypnosis Therapy developed by Dolores Cannon, a self-proclaimed hypnotist, past life regressionist and… UFO investigator."	Consisting of half a sentence clearly dismissing D. Cannon as WP:FRINGE, this is clearly not in-depth, significant coverage.
https://www.nytimes.com/2023/11/16/books/review/tracy-k-smith-interview.html	"Dolores Cannon, who refined a method of regressive hypnotherapy by which subjects felt able to encounter their own past lives, has been an enormous consolation and inspiration to me during times of anxiety and 21st-century world-fear."	One sentence from the poet Tracy K. Smith on what she likes to read in her spare time. SIGCOV? No.
https://www.theportugalnews.com/news/2023-08-25/what-is-quantum-healing/80827	Now, there are various ways in which to practice quantum healing. One of these is the hypnosis technique, created in the 1968 by author and hypnotist Dolores Cannon. “QHHT© achieves the deepest level of hypnosis possible, the Somnambulistic level of trance,” according to the official QHHT© (Quantum Healing Hypnosis Technique) website. “By creating a safe and effective method that bypasses the chatter of the conscious mind and focuses on obtaining unlimited information in the somnambulistic state, Dolores Cannon discovered that time travel is possible at any time or place to relive anyone’s past lives.” Cannon also claims that this technique allows for access to our unconscious minds, what she calls The Subconscious, or The SC, which is “that greater part of ourselves that is always connected to The Source, or God, and has unlimited knowledge and an unlimited ability to heal the physical body.” Dolores Cannon passed away in 2014, seemingly not having used the aforementioned unlimited ability to heal the physical body on herself, but you can still learn the basics of what she made up for just $997.	Two paragraphs, most of which is quotes to ridicule a technique the author explicitly states is made up, not SIGCOV of Cannon.
https://www.mirror.co.uk/3am/celebrity-news/cheryl-been-meditating-reading-aliens-24354598	"And she also said that the one book that "changed her life" is New Earth by Dolores Cannon. Dolores Cannon is a UFO investigator, hypnotist and past-life regressionist who believes alien spirits have been sent to Earth to help humanity ascend to the 'New Earth'."	Two sentences (not SIGCOV) from an interview with Cheryl (singer) on what she does in her spare time, published in a marginally reliable newspaper specializing in tabloid journalism.
https://www.brantfordexpositor.ca/news/local-news/conference-puts-focus-on-hypnosis-alternative-healing	He will offer a group regression workshop based on the work of Dolores Cannon, an American hypnotherapist and psychic researcher .	Half a sentence, not SIGCOV.
https://www.digitaljournal.com/pr/meet-the-woman-behind-the-popular-awakening-starseeds-series-radhaa-nilia	Another author whose books influenced me is Dolores Cannon. Her book, The Three Waves of Volunteers and New Earth. I highly recommend both of these timeless books.	Three sentences from an interview with Radhaa Nilia, a self-proclaimed "visionary leader, expert in the Sacred Feminine and Archetypes, Goddess Activator, Publishing Priestess, etc. Not reliable or SIGCOV.

• • I have yet to see a single source which meets the criteria outlined at WP:NBASIC. ~~ AirshipJungleman29 (talk) 14:03, 2 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete I spent a while looking, but didn't find the sort of reliable non-fringe discussion of her that we would need to build an article here. Eddie891 ^Talk _Work 18:13, 2 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
• Comment WP:AUTHOR is the notability guideline to be used here not WP:NBASIC and she passes one or more of the tests. 5Q5|^✉ 12:42, 3 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep I have added links to multiple books available on archive.org that present Cannon's work. She is covered in these books in length ranging from one paragraph to several pages (see article for page numbers). Hence, within these fields, even if they are WP:FRINGE, her work is cited in books. I have also edited her page a little to clarify that the books are her representation by others as I feel this is more neutral. DaffodilOcean (talk) 14:57, 3 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • DaffodilOcean, just to clarify, you are aware that these books are WP:FRINGE and therefore not reliable sources, but in your opinion still contribute to passing WP:NBASIC, which requires reliable sources? Can you explain this logic? ~~ AirshipJungleman29 (talk) 19:56, 3 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

    These books are independent of Cannon. DaffodilOcean (talk) 12:34, 4 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• Keep It is dangerous territory to erase and eliminate speech. Dolores Cannon inspired millions of people for good, and whether you beleive her methods or not, we should always err on the side of free expression vs. silencing ideas. This is how humanity evolves. In fact, many of her quantaum regression theories are generating interest in their grounding in science. Remember many of the secrets of the universe can be interpreted through the microcosm. We do not want to live in an Orwellian world. KEEP ~~ Danieltate (talk) 16:25:25, 4 January 2024 (UTC)— Danieltate (talk • contribs) has made few or no other edits outside this topic. [reply]

  ^This 100%. She's made significant influence within several fields, and maintains relevance even 10 years after her passing. Erasing her influence and voice, especially her theories based on whether someone agrees with them personally, creates a dangerous precedent that leads to censorship. The commentors supporting the deletion of her page are supporting restriction of the open exchange of information. Just because someone doesn't believe her theories to be credible, doesnt erase her accomplishments and influence 170.103.65.126 (talk) 00:03, 5 January 2024 (UTC)— 170.103.65.126 (talk) has made few or no other edits outside this topic. [reply]

• Keep: I have worked on this for a bit and have added sources. Source #11 is a scholarly paper that discusses her role as a leading figure in the past life regression and alien conspiracy movements. Source #2 is another new source that has a Japanese television crew interviewing her. Source #22 is a long review of her book in the Washington Post. Source #21 is a shorter review in the New York Times. Some of the other book sources have at least half a page on her. I have found mentions of her in other many New Age books and she also trained many current practitioners (some sources to back this have been added to the article). Seems to be an important figure and there are now adequate secondary sources to prove her notability. Rublamb (talk) 04:00, 5 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  Source #11 is an editorial from a graduate student; it has not been peer reviewed, so I wouldn't call it a scholarly paper. #22 and #21 are reviews by the same author, and I don't believe two reviews make a notable author, even in the New York Times. Even with these sources, that leaves a lot of information in the article from unreliable references, and if all that is taken out, we would be left with an article about an author with 2 book reviews making fun of her and a disparaging editorial using her as an example of a gateway to conspiracy theories. Reconrabbit 21:37, 5 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  A scholarly paper does not have to be peer-reviewed, nor is peer review required for a reliable Wikipedia source. Regardless, the source in question provides significant coverage by a scholar and and is published by a university which works for notablity this instance. It does not matter that the two book reviews, written two years apart, are by the same author. In fact, it is fairly normal for a critic to specialize in a certain type of books such as the New Age genre. And, reviews in The New York Time and The Washington Post are a big deal when determining the importance of an author and their book because these are major US newspapers that and very difficult to get into if published through a small press. Other reliable references to consider include many newspaper articles. I have not looked at every book or author that citated by others from the Internet Archive, but note that some are published by respectable presses. There may be a high reliance on primary sources but that does not preclude the article from meeting notability in this instance because other sources exist to prove notability. Rublamb (talk) 01:41, 6 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  Update: After looking at the book sources, here are the ones that probably meet significant and reliable coverage: #1 is published by a reliable press, its author has a LH.D and is considered one of the original researchers in the field of near-death. #16 was published by Piatkus which is an imprint of Little, Brown and its author has an article in Wikipedia. #18 is a press that specializes in new age themes and the author has a Ph.D.; Cannon is discussed throughout this book. Rublamb (talk) 02:38, 6 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• Comment. Of the four tests for notability at WP:AUTHOR she passes the first two. Only one is required.

1. The person is regarded as an important figure or is widely cited by peers or successors; or
2. The person is known for originating a significant new concept, theory, or technique; 5Q5|^✉ 13:07, 5 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

   If the significant new technique in question is Quantum Healing Hypnosis (which is variously named Quantitative Healing Hypnosis in the article as well, though I can't find it called that anywhere else), then there would need to be a lot more documentation than there is on the page now regarding it. Many of the other articles on hypnotists have references from sources that do more than promote hypnotherapy and similar treatments. Reconrabbit 21:18, 5 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

   I would say her biggest claim to fame is as an originator of past life regression hypnotherapy, regardless of the trademarked name she used for her training program. I did not add more details on her techniques because everything I found on this topic is a complex layer of pseudo-science that lacks analysis to provide a balanced perspective. A link to the article on past life regression seems the best option as it has some analysis of the topic. Her secondary importance is as a conveyor of alien and other conspiracy theories that persist today in the New Age realm. This is pretty well detailed through the scholarly article and the topics of her books and presentations. Although she did write many books, I don't believe she needs to meet WP:AUTHOR because the sources exist for general biographical notability. That is, there are multiple reliable secondary sources that provide significant coverage. Rublamb (talk) 23:15, 5 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• Keep This article should not be speedily deleted for lack of asserted importance because:

Is about an American author that has written 17 books.

Is about an American hypnotherapist. a profession that in many American states does not required licensing for its practice.

Is about one of the most well know past life regression therapist in the 20th century.

I also consider that the other 3 articles about Dolores Cannon in the Dutch Wikipedia, Russian Wikipedia and Chinese Wikipedia should be preserved. --Zchemic (talk) 20:01, 6 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Pd. This is the 3rd times the article is trying to be deleted for the same reason... What? Is this keep going to continue until the 97th time when nobody knows that the article is obsessively being trying to be deleted again?

• Delete. While I have heard of her, ironically through a late friend who was a spiritualist, there is scant evidence by was of SIGCOV that she actually meets our standards, which are well established. I can't anything useful. Bearian (talk) 19:11, 8 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: Relisting. It would be easy (but incorrect) to delete this article because the subject's views are fringe. But what matters is does she meet WP:AUTHOR with WP:SIGCOV and after reading all of the comments, that is still not clear to me. I would caution those who are "supporters" that launching into conspiracy theories does not help your argument to Keep this article, what matters is notability by Wikipedia standards which is demonstrated by independent, secondary sources. At any given time, there are hundreds of these AFD discussions occurring so this is not a matter of singling out this particular article. Presenting cogent arguments for the outcome you are seeking and discussing them is the way decisions are made on this project.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 23:25, 8 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Relisting comment: I am a bit concerned about the lack of neutrality in comments on both sides for the AfD. We are not discussing whether you believe in this person's theories or whether or not the content of the article is "useful" to you. Rather, we should be analyzing the sources to see if there is significant coverage of this individual. The article and its sources have been significantly expanded since this AfD started. As discussed above, I have identified more than six sources that provide significant coverage from reliable sources. At least one of these sources has more information that is not yet included in the article. It would be helpful to get responses to those specific sources. I can create a table if that would be helpful.Rublamb (talk) 01:03, 9 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• Comment. I added the IMDb template to the article in External links, not many but all Self credits. One of them was an appearance on the A&E Networks TV series Biography, the episode about Nostradamus. I note also that in the Washington Post article on her, which is already referenced in the article, her name appears 21 times. I feel she does meet WP:AUTHOR. The article just needs Template:Unbalanced or Template:Undue_weight at top to encourage some additional balanced content. Maybe she is discussed in Skeptical Inquirer but buried in issues somewhere. Either of these templates will encourage searching. As I wrote above, Wikipedia:Deletion policy is to not delete if editing can solve the problem. 5Q5|^✉ 14:03, 9 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  5Q5: Finally found and added some critical review of her work and theories. I also replaced or removed some of the primary sources. Still needs work but should be more balanced now. Rublamb (talk) 20:25, 10 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• Weak keep I'm circling back here, and I think there's just about enough to meet GNG. I don't think her work is significant enough to meet NAUTHOR, however. We have: 2 or 3 reviews of Conversations with Nostradamus in mainstream press (1, 2, and (maybe) 3, depending on how you consider Heard writing both the NYTimes and WaPo piece); this separate article about her; and at least this research note and bits and pieces in some of the less-fringe books cited. The article has been ref-bombed somewhat to oblivion, and some of the comments are above are not overly helpful, but imv when cutting through all that there's some substance here, too. Eddie891 ^Talk _Work 13:17, 10 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep. Notability established by book reviews in major publications, appearances on network television, and the Encyclopedia of Arkansas Gamaliel (talk) 04:32, 15 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
• Weak keep due to her passing GNG and her books being reviewed. DaniloDaysOfOurLives (talk) 18:27, 15 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
• Weak keep – due to the multiple obituaries on WP:RELIABLE cites. TLA (talk) 05:36, 16 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete‎. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 22:57, 15 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Saúl Lara (footballer)[edit]

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Nobody deserves to die at 32 but this is WP:NOTMEMORIAL. Page was made just after death and there is national coverage in very brief of the death of this footballer, [9] but it's actually quite common for a death of a young footballer to be a daily news story even if they're an amateur. [10] I don't see national coverage of his life or his legacy. This player does not even pass the very generous defunct WP:NFOOTY guideline as he only played as high as Spain's third division, and that was just for 22 games in two seasons a half-decade apart. [11] Unknown Temptation (talk) 23:06, 8 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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• Delete. I don't see anything here to satisfy WP:SPORTBASIC, and per the nomination, the death itself is not notable enough to qualify for an article. — HelloAnnyong ^{(say whaaat?!)} 04:36, 9 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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• Delete - no evidence of notability. If sources are found please ping me. GiantSnowman 19:43, 10 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete‎. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 22:58, 15 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

FaithLife Financial[edit]

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unsourced for 9 years; can't find much proving this company is notable in any way. Darling ☔ (talk · contribs) 20:40, 8 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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• Delete: per nom ― Blaze Wolf^Talk_{blaze__wolf} 20:54, 8 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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• Delete: I work in the insurance field, so I've some knowledge of this company (met some people at conferences). They were set up to provide insurance to churches and church employees, then moved to the general insurance market. That said, I can't find sourcing about the company; even with the rebranding, nothing. Sourcing now used is what's we'd consider trade magazines, so not terribly independent. Oaktree b (talk) 02:06, 9 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete. The sources given aren't reliable, they're basically just rewritten press releases. Fails WP:NCORP. — HelloAnnyong ^{(say whaaat?!)} 04:37, 9 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete - Searching both names, I am unable to find anything meeting WP:ORGCRIT. There are a few book mentions (very brief mentions) but everything else is unreliable, press releases, or churnalism. --CNMall41 (talk) 04:47, 10 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete sources are trade magazines. would like to see more independent coverage. TLA (talk) 05:08, 14 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete. fails WP:CORP --Devokewater 22:35, 14 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete‎. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 22:59, 15 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Chris Genoa[edit]

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He doesn't appear to meet WP:AUTHOR or WP:GNG. Boleyn (talk) 19:25, 8 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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• Delete Cannot find any independent, reliable coverage on this author, only databases of his books. Doesn't meet WP:GNG. pinktoebeans ^(talk) 21:42, 11 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete. No coverage in independent reliable sources. His novel Foop! is much closer to meeting the GNG with at least a couple of reviews that might be usable but it's borderline. The author, on the other hand, has no usable coverage and is a very clear delete. Eluchil404 (talk) 02:31, 15 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was soft delete‎. Based on minimal participation, this uncontroversial nomination is treated as an expired PROD (a.k.a. "soft deletion"). Editors can request the article's undeletion. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 23:00, 15 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The Stranded (comics)[edit]

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This has been in CAT:NN for 14 years, so hopefully we can now resolve it. It's borderlnie, buy I couldn't find the level of sources to demonstrate WP:N. Possible WP:ATDs are merge/redirect to Sci-Fi Channel (United States) or Virgin Comics, but it could unbalance those articles. Boleyn (talk) 19:01, 8 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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• Delete. Fails WP:GNG and WP:NBOOK. — HelloAnnyong ^{(say whaaat?!)} 04:40, 9 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was speedy keep. Nominator withdrawn. TLA (talk) 06:06, 14 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

My Best Friend Bob[edit]

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Doesn't appear to meet WP:NBOOK or WP:GNG. There is a possible ATD of redirecting to Georgie Ripper, the author, but I am not sure if that is worth doing. Boleyn (talk) 18:08, 8 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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• Keep per the significant coverage in multiple independent reliable sources. Wikipedia:Notability (books)#Criteria says:

  A book is presumed notable if it verifiably meets, through reliable sources, at least one of the following criteria:

  1. The book has been the subject of two or more non-trivial published works appearing in sources that are independent of the book itself. This can include published works in all forms, such as newspaper articles, other books, television documentaries, bestseller lists, and reviews. This excludes media re-prints of press releases, flap copy, or other publications where the author, its publisher, agent, or other self-interested parties advertise or speak about the book.

  Sources
  1. "Brian and Bob: The Tale of Two Guinea Pigs". Kirkus Reviews. Vol. 71, no. 17. September 2003. p. 1130. EBSCOhost 10757170. Archived from the original on 2024-01-10. Retrieved 2024-01-10.

     The review notes: "An improbable tale, but a happily-ever-after one, so young readers will suspend their disbelief as they pull for the reunion of Ripper's guinea pig protagonists. Narrative and story architecture aren't Ripper's strong suits--left to them alone, she'd be wise to fold her hand--but she trumps readers with her winsome artwork: it's not easy to convincingly make a guinea pig scowl or to cross its arms in a huff, but it's visual magic when it works, and Ripper does it with aplomb."

  2. Merrett, Sarah (Autumn 2003). "My Best Friend Bob". School Librarian. Vol. 51, no. 3. p. 132. EBSCOhost 11008919.

     The abstract notes: "Reviews the book 'My Best Friend Bob,' by Georgie Ripper." I do not have access to the full review.

  3. Ward, Elizabeth (2003-09-14). "For Young Readers". The Washington Post. Archived from the original on 2024-01-10. Retrieved 2024-01-10.

     The review notes: "Brian & Bob: The Tale of Two Guinea Pigs, by Georgie Ripper (Hyperion, $15.99; ages 2-5). This soon-to-be classic is right up there with Anne Mazer's The Salamander Room (1991, but still in print), which also tweaks kids' hearts while teaching them about the things pets really need. Brian and Bob are two fat guinea pigs, with innocent dots for eyes, who lead a "nice, comfy" life together at Pete's Pet Palace. One day, Brian is sold, leaving Bob devastated; even peanuts can't console him. I hope it's not giving away too much of the plot to say that the double-page spread depicting the pair's ultimate reunion ("BRIAN!" "BOB!") is among the most heartwarming denouements to be found in recent children's literature. Guinea pigs, you see, are social animals and should never be bought or kept alone."

  4. Dow, Sally R. (December 2003). "Ripper, Georgie. Brian & Bob: the Tale of Two Guinea Pigs". School Library Journal. Vol. 49, no. 12. p. 124. Archived from the original on 2024-01-10. Retrieved 2024-01-10 – via Gale.

     The review notes: "Charming, whimsical illustrations in pen and watercolor capture the emotions of the two small, lifelike animals. Children will readily empathize with the characters and their situation."

  5. "Brian & Bob: The Tale of Two Guinea Pigs". Publishers Weekly. Vol. 250, no. 42. 2003-10-20. p. 52. EBSCOhost 11126960. Archived from the original on 2024-01-10. Retrieved 2024-01-10.

     The review notes: "Ripper's unadorned prose and pared-down watercolor compositions eloquently describe the joy of close friendship and the sorrow that comes from its loss."

  6. Salisbury, Martin (July 2003). "My Best Friend, Bob". Books for Keeps. No. 141. p. 19. Retrieved 2024-01-10.

     This book review is listed in Children's Book Review Index.

     The review notes: "The ensuing happy reunion concludes a book whose success is built on the totally convincing visual characterisation of the animals. Their facial expressions, gesture and movement are all spot on. The image of the dejected Brian, lying in his food bowl, idly flicking a peanut in the air, is a particular delight."

  7. Bell, Mae Woods (2003-11-23). "Books can thrill child at Christmas". Rocky Mount Telegram. Archived from the original on 2024-01-10. Retrieved 2024-01-10 – via Newspapers.com.

     The review notes: ""Brian & Bob" (Hyperion) by prize-winning artist Georgie Ripper is a charmingly illustrated tale of two guinea pigs who live happily in Pete's Pet Store. Every day they do the things guinea pigs do, hanging around the food bowl and playing I Spy together. But one day Bob is adopted, and Brian is left all alone. Brian trundled off to find a peanut to cheer himself up. It doesn't help. Eventually Brian and Bob are reunited, playing I Spy and tossing a peanut. Brian falls fast asleep right in the middle of a game of I Spy. Little guinea pigs can't read this book, but this human wasn't able to resist this endearing little tale of friendship and Ripper's illustrations."

  8. Ross, Kathryn (2003-04-12). "Stories that bloom in the spring". The Scotsman. Archived from the original on 2024-01-10. Retrieved 2024-01-10.

     The review provides 94 words of coverage about the subject. The review notes: "My Best Friend, Bob (Macmillan Children's Books, €9.99) by new writer and illustrator, Georgie Ripper is a delight not to be missed by children, adults or guinea-pig owners. Brian and Bob are best friends. They share a cage in Pete's Pet Palace and do the things guinea pigs do best - eating, sleeping and playing "I Spy". Then one day Bob is taken away and Brian is inconsolable; life has no meaning without his friend. Luckily fate steps in and in a scene of unbridled joy Brian and Bob are reunited. A funny, heart-warming classic.'

  9. "Children's picture books". The Herald. 2003-05-03. Archived from the original on 2024-01-10. Retrieved 2024-01-10.

     The review notes: "Bob the guinea pig rarely wins I-spy games against his pal, the sleek Brian, at Pete's Pet Palace. But when Bob is sold, Brian pines. Each day he feels more miserable. Though typically blob-like, the guinea pigs have wonderfully expressive little paws. Illustrations and text combine powerfully to heighten anxiety as we wonder if the friends will meet again. The ending is suitably cathartic."

  10. Nowak, Susan (2003-05-28). "Georgie's fun children's books show she's made of write stuff". St Albans & Harpenden Review. Archived from the original on 2024-01-10. Retrieved 2024-01-10.

      The article notes: "This month the 25-year-old sees the publication of not one but eight books My Best Friend Bob, the book that actually won the prize, devised, written and illustrated by her ... My Best Friend Bob is a cosy tale of two little guinea pigs living happily together in Pete's Pet Palace until one of them is bought and the chums pine for each other. Naturally, it has a happy ending. But it is Georgie's gorgeous larger-than-life pictures that really make the book."

  11. Dowen, Rebecca (2004-03-23). "Pigs, bears, mice star in bedtime stories". The Noblesville Ledger. Archived from the original on 2024-01-10. Retrieved 2024-01-10 – via Newspapers.com.

      The review notes: ""Brian and Bob: The Tale of Two Guinea Pigs" tells about two guinea pigs that live in a cozy cage at Pete's Pet Palace. Brian has short shiny hair and Bob has long unruly hair. One day while playing I Spy, a little boy comes into the store and brings along a cardboard box. He buys Bob and renames him Fluffy. After a couple of days, both guinea pigs become extremely depressed but they soon get together again. Children in first and second grades love this book. "Brian & Bob: The Tale of Two Guinea Pigs," written by Georgie Ripper, was published by Hyperion Books for Children. The suggested retail price is $15.99."

  12. Westmoore, Jean (2003-10-26). "NewBooks: Children's selections". The Buffalo News. Archived from the original on 2024-01-10. Retrieved 2024-01-10 – via Newspapers.com.

      The review notes: "Brian the guinea pig is desolate after his friend Bob is sold at the pet store in this endearing story of friendship by an English author-illustrator. The expressive illustrations bring to life the different personalities of Brian and Bob. (Ritter won the Macmillan Prize for Book Illustration for "Little Brown Bushrat.")"

  There is sufficient coverage in reliable sources to allow My Best Friend Bob (also known as Brian & Bob: The Tale of Two Guinea Pigs) to pass Wikipedia:Notability#General notability guideline, which requires "significant coverage in reliable sources that are independent of the subject".

  Cunard (talk) 09:34, 10 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• Comment: I expanded and added these sources to the article. Cunard (talk) 09:34, 10 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep. Tanks to the vast improvement made by Cunard, I see no reason to delete (nor to keep the Afd going on, for that matter). @Boleyn: Would you consider withdrawing this nomination considering the sources presented? Thank you.-My, oh my! (Mushy Yank) 10:16, 12 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
• Withdraw nomination I agree, thanks, Cunard. Boleyn (talk) 18:28, 12 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete‎. Hey man im josh (talk) 17:23, 15 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

SkyLink Aviation[edit]

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The article does not show notability. It only has one reference to the companies own site which is dead. The only other reference to it I could see was Skylink Aviation Inc. Completes $200M Recapitalization Transaction (unclear date) and SkyLink Aviation recapitalises after failing debt repayments (dated 2013). All the external links are either dead or to the Waybackmachine. CambridgeBayWeather (solidly non-human), Uqaqtuq (talk), Huliva 17:20, 8 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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• Delete - Unless someone can provide additional sourcing, all I found that is potentially useful was this and a book mention. The page needs a lot of cleanup which is not an AfD issue so if the page is kept, please ping me and I will lift the load. --CNMall41 (talk) 05:12, 10 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete per nom. TLA (talk) 06:11, 14 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete‎. Hey man im josh (talk) 17:14, 15 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

2023 New Year pardons[edit]

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Not relevant on its own. Apparently created as part of the agenda of User:Dentren, whose sockpuppet Guariflor is the author. Bedivere (talk) 16:47, 8 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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• Comment Seems notable and has a few references, could you elaborate?

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• Delete Bog-standard end-of-year news, and wrongly titled to boot. Nate • (chatter) 23:50, 8 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete. Fails WP:NOTEVERYTHING - just because it happened doesn't mean it should be included. Listing pardons in the articles for notable people would be fine, but on its own as an article doesn't pass muster. — HelloAnnyong ^{(say whaaat?!)} 04:42, 9 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was a keep. Other than the nominator, there was very strong consensus . TLA (talk) 06:00, 14 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Proprietary software[edit]

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This article doesn't really seem to have a subject at all, let alone a notable one; 'proprietary software' is just, 'any software that isn't Free and Open Source', and the FOSS article already has a section comparing it to proprietary software. This article is really just 'The benefits of FOSS' but from the other direction.

It's also a sort of vague rambling essay about all the things that are wrong with 'proprietary software' structured like a Wikipedia article. We already have Commercial Software and Free and open-source software this article is trying to fill a gap between them that doesn't exist. JeffUK 16:41, 8 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• Keep,Redirect or Merge Not sure, but this article describes a somewhat common practice in the industry, although you are right it needs work.

Geardona (talk to me?) 17:19, 8 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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• Keep: a key, frequently used term, with notability more than established by the cited sources. I find the nomination odd. Owen× ☎ 19:25, 8 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  The term 'Proprietary software' is frequently used, but that doesn't mean it's a subject that meets the criteria for a Wikipedia article ('Bad Software', 'Good Software' etc. are used much more frequently!) Per WP:NAD, not every term requires an article. JeffUK 13:34, 9 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  I don't see the relevance of WP:NAD. The current article is far more than a DICDEF. And as I said, the cited sources provide SIGCOV sufficient to establish notability per GNG. Owen× ☎ 14:29, 9 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• Keep. There is sourcing to support this as a notable topic. Many things are defined by negation; vacuum is an absence of matter, starvation is an absence of nutrients, evil is an absence of good. The existence of proprietary software is, fortunately for the intellectual development of human civilization, defined as an absence of free licensing rather than the other way around (i.e. free software being a rare novelty consisting merely a type of software lacking intrusive copyright encumbrances). But this does not mean that the distinction between the two can be reduced to a dictionary definition. jp×g🗯️ 19:30, 9 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep. Meets WP:GNG, with significant coverage in independent reliable sources. There are far too many of these sources, so I will directly address the deletion nomination's rationale by listing a few of the academic sources that describe proprietary software in detail without focusing on free or open-source software:
  1. Winarski, Tyson; Nguyen, Tuan Ahn (4–5 February 2002). "Protecting Proprietary Software in the Petroleum Industry". Proceedings of ETCE2002. ASME 2002 Engineering Technology Conference on Energy. American Society of Mechanical Engineers. pp. 293–295. doi:10.1115/ETCE2002/COMP-29061 – via ResearchGate.
  2. Chen, Yuanyuan; Bharadwaj, Anandhi; Goh, Khim-Yong (1 January 2017). "An Empirical Analysis of Intellectual Property Rights Sharing in Software Development Outsourcing". Management Information Systems Quarterly. 41 (1). University of Minnesota: 131–161. doi:10.25300/MISQ/2017/41.1.07.
  3. Franz, Charles R.; Wilkins, Susan J.; Bower, Jonathan C. (1 January 1981). "A critical review of proprietary software protection". Information & Management. 4 (2). Elsevier: 55–69. doi:10.1016/0378-7206(81)90002-1. ISSN 0378-7206.
  4. Raysman, Richard (1977–1978). "Protection of Proprietary Software in the Computer Industry: Trade Secrets as an Effective Method". Jurimetrics. 18. American Bar Association: 335 – via HeinOnline.
  5. Fromholz, Haley J. (December 1973). "Legal protection of proprietary software". Computer. 6 (12). Institute of Electrical and Electronics Engineers: 27–32. doi:10.1109/MC.1973.6540215. S2CID 34235452.

     As these sources show, proprietary software clearly does exist as a concept that is distinct from commercial software and free and open-source software. (As the Commercial software article explains, since free and open-source software can also be commercialized, commercial software is not the same thing as proprietary software.) — Newslinger talk 08:20, 11 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• Keep WP:BATHWATER nom. Current sourcing passes GNG, per others. Widefox; talk 19:01, 11 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
• strong Keep Have you heard of the term freeware? Jothefiredragon (talk) 04:11, 12 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was ‎Keep (a bit early per WP:SNOW). This and the prior AfD show that there is a clear consensus to keep this article at this time. Any future AfD nomination should clearly explain why the sources in the article are insufficient to establish notability. Eluchil404 (talk) 02:03, 15 January 2024 (UTC)(non-admin closure)[reply]

Selin Köseoğlu[edit]

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not notable Atakhanli (talk) 16:38, 8 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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• Keep: The reasons outlined in the previous deletion nomination, which was closed just a few weeks ago, still apply. @Atakhanli: did you have a chance to read the recent nomination (closed few weeks ago)? Acknowledging it in your nomination would be helpful and respectful of the community's time. TheJoyfulTentmaker (talk) 16:52, 8 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  Hello. The article has been nominated for deletion in the Turkish Wikipedia and the Azerbaijani Wikipedia. I saw that it was deleted in Turkish Wikipedia. It escaped my notice that it was previously submitted for deletion in the English Wikipedia. I am sorry. Atakhanli (talk) 20:33, 8 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  No worries. TheJoyfulTentmaker (talk) 21:52, 8 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• keep per previous Geardona (talk to me?) 17:20, 8 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep. As with the previous - and very recent - AFD, the nominator has not bothered to explain why it is "not notable". Two-word nomination statements are so 2006. Moreover, Selin Köseoğlu being so non-notable is neither clear nor self-evident from looking at the article. Geschichte (talk) 17:41, 8 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was delete‎. Hey man im josh (talk) 17:16, 15 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Firebrand Boy[edit]

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Subject fails to meet any notability guidelines. Violates policy on biographies of living persons because it contains original research. It is not suitable for an encyclopedia because it was written by them subject themself as a form of self-promotion Mellowmending (talk) 16:11, 8 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• Delete: Fails WP:GNG. Noorullah (talk) 16:22, 8 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete I couldn't find much on a WP:BEFORE and the sources in the article are mostly primary and unreliable sources. BuySomeApples (talk) 16:37, 8 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete unless reliable sources can be found Jothefiredragon (talk) 16:47, 8 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  • Delete Even most of the current sources are just the music itself, showcases why AFC and NPP exists.

  Geardona (talk to me?) 17:22, 8 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  comment I've investigated further into this article. It was originally written by Firebrandboy (talk · contribs) in 2008. After he was made aware of Wikipedia:Autobiography he left a message saying that the article should be deleted (User talk:Firebrandboy#November 2018).

  Mellowmending (talk · contribs) claimed to be the other account of Firebrandboy (talk · contribs) and originally tried to speedy delete the article before submitting it to Afd (Talk:Firebrand_Boy#Proposed_Deletion).

  Although it's correct to nominate an article for deletion. I can't help but feel that it's strange to see old articles getting into Afd as it's usually newer ones that got into Afd. Jothefiredragon (talk) 03:52, 9 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  Comment Thank you for your insights. It's important to note the role of 'status quo bias' in our assessment of older articles like this one. Often, such articles remain unexamined due to a preference for the existing state of affairs, leading to a focus on newer content. However, the small size and the autobiographical nature of this article, as highlighted by its original author, suggest it may have initially bypassed rigorous editorial standards. Reevaluating such articles, irrespective of their age, is crucial to uphold Wikipedia's standards of notability and verifiability. Mellowmending (talk) 11:29, 9 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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• Delete This article has flown under the radar for way too long, but better late than never. The musician has no reliable media coverage and is only visible in the usual promotional services and directories. ---DOOMSDAYER520 (TALK|CONTRIBS) 14:19, 9 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete - As argued above the subject does not appear to meet notability standards. Dunarc (talk) 23:58, 11 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete: Per above. dxneo (talk) 03:01, 13 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you all for your contribution to the discussion. Mellowmending (talk) 18:05, 14 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• Delete Fails WP:GNG Lightburst (talk) 15:13, 15 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete‎. and then Redirect to Leopard Capital Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 23:05, 15 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Douglas Clayton[edit]

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Apparent COI/PAID vanity page created to avoid the previous deleted article about the same subject Douglas W. Clayton (afd-deleted). Article doesn't seem to pass WP:GNG, contains brief third party mentions, with significant coverage only related to his firm, Leopard Capital and is highly promotional in content. The creator of this article has been blocked indefinitely for Promotional editing, undisclosed paid editing was also involved in the creation of a series of paid articles related to this firm including Kingdom Breweries (afd-deleted), Nautisco Seafood (afd-deleted), CamGSM (afd-no consensus). (See also Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/Douglasclayton. Lethweimaster (talk) 16:03, 8 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• Delete it looks like he's mainly notable for being CEO of Leopard Capital. Any other information is either uncited, based on passing mentions or unreliable sources, or wouldn't help him meet notability guidelines (like the fact that he's contributed op-eds to publications). BuySomeApples (talk) 16:40, 8 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete Seems like a resumé written in a non-neutral tone.

Geardona (talk to me?) 17:24, 8 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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• Delete because of notability and WP:TNT issues and redirect to Leopard Capital. ~Kvng (talk) 23:38, 11 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
• Soft delete or merge to Leopard Capital NYT piece has a lot about him. Article is non-neutral though. TLA (talk) 02:54, 14 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
• Redirect to Leopard Capital. Everything properly sourced is better in that article and unsourced personal details are not needed. I don't really see the need to delete prior to redirecting, but meh. Eluchil404 (talk) 01:58, 15 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete‎. Hey man im josh (talk) 17:21, 15 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Sugarmonkey[edit]

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Some indications of significant coverage, but not backed up with actual sources. I couldn't establish that they meet WP:NBAND or WP:GNG. This has been in CAT:NN for 14 years now, so hopefully we can resolve it. Boleyn (talk) 15:49, 8 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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• Delete, I could not find evidence of any significant independent coverage to establish notability. Left guide (talk) 21:03, 8 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete Can't find any evidence to suggest this band meets WP:GNG. There could be some offline evidence in published versions of the sources mentioned in the article, but I'm not sure there will be much more published about them. The only reliable independent coverage I could find online was this not-so-kind review of one of their gigs from Digital Spy. pinktoebeans ^(talk) 21:11, 14 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was procedural close. Malformed nomination of talk page. Could be a G7 even. (non-admin closure)‎ Geschichte (talk) 17:34, 8 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Talk:Lynn Hoffman (author)[edit]

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Doesn't meet WP:AUTHOR or WP:GNG. Arguments for keeping it at the 2007 AfD were poor. Boleyn (talk) 15:46, 8 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete‎. Hey man im josh (talk) 15:31, 15 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Keren – Vocational Rehabilitation Centers in Israel[edit]

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Page founded solely for advertisement, as evident by the first author. There is no mention of this organization in reliable sources or news outlets. CactiStaccingCrane (talk) 12:41, 8 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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• Comment: the provided link is to a private law firm which has nothing to do with the public trust. The trust's name is "קרן למפעלי שיקום למוגבלים". I wasn't able to find how the trust calls itself in English, and there is no corresponding page on he-wiki, but "keren" only means foundation, fund or trust, so as a minimum, the page should be renamed. I was able to find this, which helps verify the content, but not establish notability. Owen× ☎ 14:29, 8 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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• Delete – wrong title and writeup, plus no references and target make an ATD irrelevant. gidonb (talk) 00:51, 10 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete per nom. The only provided external link is to a website apparently promoting medical malpractice lawyers "ambulance chasers". Roger (Dodger67) (talk) 13:34, 10 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete per Gidonb. Marokwitz (talk) 06:47, 11 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete‎. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 17:59, 8 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

University Medical Complex-Karachi[edit]

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Largely promotional and seems to be more of a blog of the project than an informative article. Zippybonzo | talk | contribs (he|she|they) 19:14, 25 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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• Delete, no apparent sigcov. -- asilvering (talk) 23:27, 7 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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• Delete, no evidence of notability.TheLongTone (talk) 15:35, 8 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. If an editor wants to work on this article in Draft space, let me know or ask at WP:REFUND. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 23:09, 15 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Ferns N Petals[edit]

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Promotional piece, with very poor sourcing. This actually looks like something from a real newspaper, but there is no byline and it reads like a press release. Drmies (talk) 17:13, 25 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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The byline is present, but easily missed. It is from a news agency called PTI. -MPGuy2824 (talk) 08:33, 27 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

@MPGuy2824 that's not a byline. A byline gives the name of the journalist who wrote the piece. -- asilvering (talk) 23:29, 7 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

You're right, of course. -MPGuy2824 (talk) 04:11, 8 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• Keep and tag for promotion, Although it seems that the only available press coverage of this company is trivial, there is significant coverage in a number of text books.^[1][2][3][4]

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• Delete. This article is clearly promotional and full of puffery. The coverage in textbooks as listed above appears to be trivial, as well as the press coverage. Redtree21 (talk) 11:31, 8 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete: Source 3 is a RS, more of a description of the founder than the company, I'd use it for GNG. I can't find much else though... Oaktree b (talk) 15:10, 8 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
• Draftify – It’s WP:PROMOy with press releases. Text books might be interesting, could be WP:TOOSOON TLA (talk) 07:15, 14 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

*Redirect to Eisai_(company)#History – the sources brought up include mere passing mentions, which don’t meet WP:SIGCOV. TLA (talk) 07:23, 14 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete‎. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 18:01, 8 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Taar-e-Ankaboot[edit]

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Appears to fail WP:NTV and WP:GNG, tagged for notability since 2022.

A redirect after a PROD was reverted DonaldD23 talk to me 13:54, 18 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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*Weak keep well known dramathat passes notability. Creater needs to work on it. Skt34 (talk) 15:27, 19 December 2023 (UTC) Editor blocked for sockpuppetry. DonaldD23 talk to me 23:39, 20 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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• Delete I find refs to a 1960 Iranian film of the same name, but nothing for this. Mccapra (talk) 13:31, 1 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep, a controversial show based on a taboo topic as I still remember a lot of speculation was made regarding the serial back than. Referencing seems fine to me and should be kept.182.182.19.93 (talk) 20:28, 1 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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• Delete. Several of the sources cited in the article make no reference to the film whatsoever, leaving only trivial mentions of the film on several websites. Redtree21 (talk) 11:40, 8 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete: Sources do not hit the three needed points of RS, IS, and SIGCOV. UtherSRG (talk) 15:45, 8 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was ‎Keep without prejudice to a move to a better title. Eluchil404 (talk) 03:13, 16 January 2024 (UTC)(non-admin closure)[reply]

Ibrahim Jassam[edit]

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This biography article needs more facts of this person's life and career in addition to this single incident. More information is needed via in-depth sources to establish notability. After searching, found social media websites and coverage of this article's events, but unable to find sources with significant coverage about the person. Article was created on 13 May 2009. JoeNMLC (talk) 07:42, 18 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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• Merge to Safety of journalists#Non-lethal and physically violent attacks against journalists, but with a heavy rewrite with available sources. Probably with a new sub-heading creation for military arrests of journalists. (Unless there's a better article; I'm afraid I might not have searched the right term to find the best one.)

Jassam's imprisonment was covered from 2008 through his release in 2010, which the U.S military admitted in a statement only happened due to a negotiated withdrawal of U.S. troops from the area. (I've been reading a lot of articles. I have at least 20 open right now, and I closed the one on the acceptance speech that mentioned multiple imprisoned journalists as well as a couple that copied the LA Times. Syndication, I think.)

Even with a date-targeted Google search I couldn't find anything other than the information on his arrest. However, I'm in the U.S., so it's possible that someone in the Middle East would have better luck.

Anything returned with this name prior to 2008 was about another person (not a photographer or journalist). OIM20 (talk) 02:57, 23 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep/rename. I expanded this article using all the resources I could find. I don't think the solution suggested by @OIM20 would work, even though it is a good idea, because the article suggested as a merge target has only overall details and not specifics. On notability, I think this case is significant because it was the first time US forces refused to comply with a decision by an Iraqi court, at least on civilian cases, during the US invasion of Iraq. I'm trying to find more WP:RS sources to establish this. What I would suggest is that the article be renamed to Arrest of Ibrahim Jassam because there are more details for the event than for the person. Also, I think this article could serve as an umbrella article for smaller but similar cases like those of Ali al Mashaddani and Bilal Hussein, which I'm trying to incorporate under a similar cases heading. Matarisvan (talk) 14:45, 1 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• Keep and let Matarisvan continue their work. There clearly is significant coverage in multiple reliable sources over several years so likely meets WP:NEVENT. I support renaming the article. ~Kvng (talk) 17:13, 1 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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• Keep: Seems ok, his detention is more notable than his works, but the sourcing supports notability. Oaktree b (talk) 15:12, 8 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was keep‎. (non-admin closure) NotAGenious (talk) 12:37, 15 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Ryan Hampton (writer)[edit]

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Nominated by Oiyarbepsy with the following rationale (see request):

I've reviewed the sources listed and they are all either passing mentions, short quotes from Hampton, or the work of Hampton himself. He does not appear to meet the notability requirements. I'll add that enough sockpuppets have attempted to create articles on this person that his name made it to the title creation blacklist. See Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/New baba/Archive for one of the sockpuppet investigation pages.

This is a procedural nomination; I am neutral. Extraordinary Writ (talk) 06:13, 18 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

• Keep Just from a quick glance for some sources, I'm finding plenty that cover his life and activities spanning years in multiple forms of publications, including the adaptation of one of his books into a TV series.

• Former Clinton aide shares story to help people struggling with addiction
• Advocates seek a say
• After speech, Obama's words echo
• No More About Us Without Us: A Conversation with Ryan Hampton
• Inside the opioid addiction crisis with ‘American Fix’ author Ryan Hampton
• Out of a fix: Former addict, author visits county jail
• Stone Village Television to Adapt Ryan Hampton’s ‘Unsettled’ as Limited Series

And that was just from a quick database search and Google search. So there's likely more to find for anyone who wants to dig deeper. Silverseren^C 06:40, 18 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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Weak keep sources are not entirely about the subject, but they have enough coverage to just get it over the notability "edge". Oaktree b (talk) 16:58, 1 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Ones given above are ok, I'd rather these than what's used in the article to be honest. Oaktree b (talk) 16:58, 1 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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• Keep: Sources listed in this discussion suffice. Please update the article accordingly. - UtherSRG (talk) 15:38, 8 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep: Well-published notable author and noted activist. SmokeyJoe (talk) 09:30, 14 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was redirect‎ to Cantate!. (non-admin closure) NotAGenious (talk) 12:34, 15 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Zion, auf, werde licht[edit]

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No evidence found of any notability, the sources given are passing mentions or not independent, and no sources seem to have given indepth attention to this hymn. Fram (talk) 08:59, 8 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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• Comment: This is - unlike many of Bone's songs - one that is still in a current prominent hymnal, and gets sung. I'd simply say let's redirect it to Cantate! if it had not been set by composers, see DNB. I'll try to find more sources. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 10:54, 8 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
• Redirect to Cantate! as per comment by Gerda Arendt. The article appears not to meet notability criteria at WP:NSONG - I cannot find any sources of which the song is the primary subject, most web results are simply the song's lyrics. If more sources can be found, the article could be kept, though. Redtree21 (talk) 12:35, 8 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

redirect hard to source per Redtree21, but Gerda Arendt is right, it is still prominent enough to be kept FortunateSons (talk) 21:04, 8 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• Redirect to Cantate! per the above. It might be worth merging a line, but not more. Unless someone can find more or better sources than are in the article at the moment (I couldn't) there aren't enough to support an article. Eluchil404 (talk) 01:51, 15 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was keep‎. While the !votes since the relist don't do much to provide further analysis of the sources, the absence of any rebuttal in favor of deletion since the expansion of the article with additional sources two weeks ago makes the outcome clear. _signed, Rosguill ^talk 14:46, 16 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

John Spence (entrepreneur)[edit]