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The result was delete‎. Extraordinary Writ (talk) 02:15, 16 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Katsiaryna Shumak[edit]

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No available SIGCOV to be found other than databases. Never won a medal nor scored a record. InvadingInvader (userpage, talk) 04:25, 8 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Sportspeople, Olympics, and Belarus. InvadingInvader (userpage, talk) 04:25, 8 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep, thank you for nominating the article because it gives us a chance to improve it. I added a reference of her hometown and location, and I added an infobox showing her Belarusian Athletics Championships results (where she is a multiple-time medalist). Looking up her native name seems to show coverage in Russian language sources. --Habst (talk) 10:19, 8 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Could you specify which sources? InvadingInvader (userpage, talk) 15:37, 8 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

And finding her hometown isn't something that could prove notability in itself. You need to be finding SIGCOV which describes that the subject has enduring significance to be on this encyclopedia. If you can't find coverage from significant independent sources (not databases) which describe her notability (and don't just mention her in passing), you should consider changing your opinion to Delete or Draftify. InvadingInvader (userpage, talk) 15:19, 9 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I found several non-database sources that discuss Shumak's results and added some to the article. I have discovered that Екатерина Шумак is actually the Russian name for Shumak, and not her native Belarusian name (that language uses different characters). So the sources that I found were in Russian discussing her, which is not where you would expect to find the most detailed coverage of someone not from that country. Do you know how we could request the assistance of a Belarusian Wikipedia user to get her Belarusian language name? --Habst (talk) 18:42, 9 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Brestcity source mentions her in passing. Same with bfla.eu source. And telegraf.news source. All three new sources mention her in passing. This is not SIGCOV. InvadingInvader (userpage, talk) 19:42, 9 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@InvadingInvader, thank you for responding. I would not expect to find any coverage of her under that name, because my understanding is it is not in her native language. Do you know if there is a way to find her Belarusian name, or if you can assist in finding that? It is encouraging that there are at least mentions in so many sources under a name that I understand isn't even her primary one. --Habst (talk) 21:19, 9 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Copy and paste the name – and do Control/Command F. That's what I did. And I only got one match each in all three sources that you found. Textbook passing mention, and not SIGCOV. Any other SIGCOV you can find? InvadingInvader (userpage, talk) 21:21, 9 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@InvadingInvader, thank you for responding. As I understand, the name Екатерина Шумак isn't actually her native name, it is just the Russian version that I originally found at ru:Шумак, Екатерина Михайловна. I am reading that the Belarusian language has different characters than Russian, and the subject would have a different name in her native language. Limiting our search to only Russian-language articles and ruling out Belarusian-language would not be a complete search. But to do that, we need to find Shumak's Belarusian name, do you know how we can do that or if you can assist? --Habst (talk) 21:29, 9 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Also, I think there are some problems with the Control-F approach, namely that it would not find mentions of only her last name or references to her by using pronouns like "her" (in the respective language). Not applying that to this case specifically, but I am just pointing out the caution we need to take with foreign language sources. --Habst (talk) 21:31, 9 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
If you do it by last name in those three sources, I didn't get additional hits. I have no idea how to get her name, and I cannot honor finding her by her name until we have it. I will treat it as a false claim. Even after google searches with the Cyrillic name, can't find any true SIGCOV. InvadingInvader (userpage, talk) 22:39, 9 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Delete. No SIGCOV in either Russian or Belarusian Cyrillic. I searched "Кацярына Шумак", the spelling used by the BFLA (the governing sporting org), and didn't even get a full page of hits.

JoelleJay (talk) 23:40, 9 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@JoelleJay, thank you for finding that, it is very helpful. Based on that name, I found this other Wikipedia article which is about the same person, but the Wikidata item was erroneously not linked, so I fixed that and merged them. I found some more Belarusian sources using that name (some with the reverse order, it seems that sometimes surname-given name order is used in Russian/Belarusian), so now we do have a few solid sentences dedicated about the subject. --Habst (talk) 02:44, 10 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

We have a passing mention in a university press release and her name in a couple lists of competitors, not a single one of those is anywhere close to SIGCOV. Can you please refrain from alerting us to new sources unless they are actually substantial non-routine secondary independent coverage? 15,000 trivial mentions is still equivalent to 0 SIGCOV. JoelleJay (talk) 03:12, 10 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Delete: No WP:SIGCOV found for this subject to meet the WP:GNG. BLPs require more rigorous sourcing than is present here. Let'srun (talk) 20:31, 14 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete: BLP, fails GNG and NBIO. BEFORE found stats, nothing meeting WP:IS WP:RS with WP:SIGCOV addressing the subject directly and indepth. Ping me if ASIGCOV sources are found. // Timothy :: talk 20:21, 15 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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