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The result was Speedily deleted CSD A7. Gwen Gale (talk) 01:02, 20 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

SolaceRED[edit]

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Contested speedy. It fails WP:BAND The Evil Spartan (talk) 23:29, 19 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was Speedy close. If a merge was what you wanted, you need only add ((mergeto|the page you want to merge with)). Seeing as how there is no reason to delete, there is no reason for an AfD. Please resolve on the articles talk page. — MaggotSyn 01:14, 20 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

United States Air Force tanker contract controversy[edit]

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Technical nomination only. Completing an incomplete nomination by Toddst1 (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · page moves · block user · block log) -- Eastmain (talk) 23:36, 19 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

  • I agree that the KC-X article should be merged into this one. I believe that the KC-X article is a sub-part of the overall topic, which is the tanker procurement effort which has existed under other names since 2002/3. Cla68 (talk) 00:19, 20 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was delete. All "keep" comments are discounted as unfounded in applicable policy, guidelines or precedent (see WP:N in particular).  Sandstein  20:12, 24 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

VNES[edit]

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Non-notable piece of software, full of "Digg'D" spin. Sceptre (talk) 23:10, 19 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I disagree. Vista is by far worse than Windows Me.
And how is this notability expressed? At this point, it's notability is expressed as your subjective personal opinion. Where is the objective evidence of notability such as articles about in reliable sources such as gaming magazines or websites? -- Whpq (talk) 17:06, 21 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Googling for "VirtualNES" or "vNES" turns several references on blogs and sites of that sort. I'll also point out many other NES emulators have articles on Wikipedia which are just as, if not less, notable than vNES, and by your criteria should be deleted as well. As a side note, I'll point out vNES has consistently ranked in the top 50,000 websites on Alexa for the past several months, if not more. Duff (talk) 18:40, 21 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Google and alexa rank are not guarantors of notability. Here Notability is a term of art distinct from the colloquial interpretation. You or I may find a high Alexa ranking as "notable" but the definition for purposes of Wikipedia is predicated not on subjective judgment (As much as it can be removed from it) but on criteria set beforehand and met by sourcing. vNES's uniqueness, inherent elegance and appeal do not factor in to this metric. As I said below, the vNES article is on the borderline of notability solely from the two sources that cover it in detail. Protonk (talk) 18:07, 23 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]
I have been working on Wikifying the article - I really disliked the way it was written and laid out to begin with. Sanders has a list some places that have mentioned / wrote about vNES on his personal website here. Duff (talk) 11:39, 22 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Yeah, the two sites already referenced pretty much round out the RS coverage of vNES. Protonk (talk) 17:57, 22 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]
I'll still go back to the comment I made earlier - if vNES is going to get deleted, why not delete the other NES emulator pages as well? I don't imagine each of them has achieved focus in several high-profile RS publications. Duff (talk) 19:36, 22 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]
WP:OTHERSTUFFEXISTS. If you feel those need to be deleted on their merits, then propose a deletion on their page. but their isn't a blanket policy that says (if we delete x page, we must delete all pages X, where x is in X). Protonk (talk) 20:43, 22 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Yeah, I'm aware of the policy, however considering there's only two popular web-based Java NES emulators in existence (NESCafe and vNES), and any number of "classic" desktop emulators, I think both are worthy of their page on Wikipedia, at least if worked and expanded upon. Duff (talk) 21:02, 22 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]
I don't mean to be rude but if that is your position on the subject then I'm not sure how you can be aware of the otherstuffexists "essay" (guess it isn't a policy) and hold that position unless you are intending to repudiate the otherstuffexists argument. If we were (for example) discussing two species of animals whose wikipedia articles were to be deleted, we could find no rationale to preserve either of them because they are 2 of a kind OR to preserve one because the other had enough secondary sourcing to be included. Protonk (talk) 18:07, 23 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]


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The result was Delete, lack of non-trivial mentions in reliable sources to establish notability. Tim Vickers (talk) 18:59, 29 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

UnFREEz[edit]

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First saw this article about a year ago and thought it was spam so I nommed for speedy delete. This was rejected, so I left it alone to see if it might improve. Article has not improved in the last year and appears to have notability issues. The article claims the program is notable for being "one of the smallest application downloads" but that is not in the source provided, which simply comments on it being small rather than the smallest. None of the sources or links are reliable, just some minor websites reviewing this freeware program. So, don't think this program is in any way notable. GDallimore (Talk) 22:29, 19 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete.  Sandstein  20:06, 24 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Proposal (writing)[edit]

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Fails WP:NOTGUIDE, also appears to only be mostly covered by Proposal (business). Article was originally focused entirely on an external link, since removed by the page author. Page author has improved article slightly since original PROD, but I don't believe it has gone beyond a guide and is still prohibited by WP:NOT. --/Mendaliv/2¢/Δ's/ 22:21, 19 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]


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The result was Delete. Fram (talk) 09:28, 27 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Winmark Homes[edit]

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Orphaned non-notable company, deleted before as WP:CSD#G11. I don't think it meets WP:CORP. User who edited it has just attempted to spam some Georgia articles with it. Húsönd 22:10, 19 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was Delete --JForget 23:19, 25 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

English school in dublin[edit]

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Advertisement for education company in Dublin, Ireland. They may seem notable locally, but I don't see much in the way of third-party coverage. Dppowell (talk) 21:44, 19 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]


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The result was G7 by Anthony.bradbury, non-admin closure. Ten Pound Hammer and his otters • (Broken clamshells•Otter chirps) 21:29, 19 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

The Return of the G.O.A.T.[edit]

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Mixtapes are not notable per WP:MUSIC. Author appears to contest PROD. ViperSnake151 21:13, 19 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was Speedy close, redirected to Stranger in a Strange Land. This was sub-stub class so I felt that it deserved a redirect anyway. Non-admin closure. Ten Pound Hammer and his otters • (Broken clamshells•Otter chirps) 21:40, 19 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Church of the New Revelation[edit]

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Merge with Stranger in a Strange Land. This could never have enough content to justify its own article. Jaysweet (talk) 20:55, 19 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was Keep. (non-admin closure) Finalnight (talk) 18:53, 24 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Social dreaming[edit]

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Non-notable original research. All of the sources cited are from one author. TN‑X-Man 20:43, 19 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Keep-I'm currently helping the author find some web refs. And besides, does it even matter if all the works cited are are cited by the author? --G2.0 USA contributions 20:47, 19 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Comment - Er, yes, wouldn't that be original research? – ukexpat (talk) 21:05, 19 June 2008 (UTC)Oops I thought you meant all the refs were by the creator of the article. – ukexpat (talk) 21:07, 19 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was delete, may be editorially redirected.  Sandstein  19:54, 24 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Infra[edit]

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This is probably better to put in the Wiki-dictionary or some other project not in wikipedia. consider merging or moving? Katanada (talk) 20:26, 19 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]


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The result was Delete. The delete arguments are in line with our policies and guidelines. Article can be recreated if and when this becomes a notable single, of course. Fram (talk) 14:46, 26 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

You're Gonna Go Far, Kid[edit]

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Contested redirect of non-notable song that might or might not be released as a single. Fails WP:MUSIC#SONGS. Mdsummermsw (talk) 20:22, 19 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

It's downloaded more than the other ten tracks, which can be verified by a check of RAFRAG at the itunes store. My points constitute "strong evidence", as opposed to "proof", hence my call for a delay. 82.13.151.148 (talk) 23:11, 19 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Comment - a future single tag doesn't excuse an article from the policy of verifiability. Singles may be scheduled for a future release, and reported to be so in maintream or music press providing reliable sources to establish facts to confirm it is a single. I don't see how speculation in a web forum meets verifiability or counting as a reliable source. -- Whpq (talk) 02:30, 23 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was Delete. Tim Vickers (talk) 03:01, 20 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Kdetoys[edit]

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Bringing this here for discussion because there seem to be a lot of similar articles (see the info box in this one). KDE is notable, but I don't find evidence the individual programs are. Ghits abound but they're forums and installation information, nothing that establishes notability and there's no RS coverage. I hate to do a large bundle, but I think some consensus on this would be beneficial. Thoughts? TravellingCarithe Busy Bee 16:23, 10 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so that consensus may be reached.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, TravellingCarithe Busy Bee 20:12, 19 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was delete. Wizardman 13:52, 29 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Metallica's Lollapalooza 96 Tour[edit]

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In a previous AfD most a number of Metallica's tours were deleted, this one was not bundled. While I had originally said in that AfD that an merge would be viable, the other articles were deleted and as I think now, I don't think an article of tour dates is particularly encyclopedic. There's no evidence that this was a notable tour for Metallica and there is no content, context. For the same reason I'm including the same no-context tours:

I am explicitly *not* including those which establish context/content/notability as some tours might be notable. For the inevitable, what reason for AfD.. Wikipedia is not a directory of Metallica tour dates. Or any other band for that matter but I found the first of these in the backlog.TravellingCarithe Busy Bee 20:00, 19 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]


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The result was delete. If it does chart, let me know and I'll restore the article. Wizardman 17:07, 29 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Flush (Head song)[edit]

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Contested redirect of non-notable, forthcoming song. Fails WP:MUSIC#SONGS. Mdsummermsw (talk) 19:59, 19 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Comment - Why don't we keep it until it charts then? To me it doesn't make sense to delete something we know will be notable within a couple of weeks. That just means we'll have to re-create the page. dude527 (talk) 20:55, 19 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Because there's no guarantee that it will chart. JeremyMcCracken (talk) (contribs) 03:19, 20 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Then nominate them for deletion (but I know what you mean) Faradayplank (talk) 01:56, 22 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Comment, why does the ((Future single)) template even exist if articles for future singles are slapped with AfDs. The template even reads, "It may contain information of a speculative nature and the content could change as the single release approaches and more information becomes available." Even then, there's nothing speculative in the article. The song is confirmed as a single, its release date has been confirmed, a sample actually exists. Where is the false or speculative information in this article? Vixen Windstorm (talk) 21:38, 22 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Comment Go look up single on Wikipedia. A single is a song packaged with 2 or 3 other songs to promote the album it is being released on. Before the internet existed, singles had their own package, including cover art, a track listing page, even a booklet and a CD. Singles should not be considered as songs, but as albums in themselves. I believe we should keep the article, because it is now titled "Flush (single)". dude527 (talk) 00:23, 24 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]
*Comment Let me explain this better. This article is in no way notable as a song, at all. It fails WP:MUSIC#SONGS and should be deleted. However, this article is not about a song, it's about a single. A single is a song, usually packaged with 2 or 3 other songs, released prior to an album, to promote that album. Singles are released as actual CDs, with jewel cases, lyric booklets, a track listing, an actual CD, basically released as a CD, not a song. In this aspect, the article is notable, because it isn't about a single song, but about a single, which, by actual definition, is like an album, with multiple songs. However, this article's standpoint is somewhat blurred because this single will be released exclusively to iTunes, and will likely not have any other tracks packaged with it. Still, it has it's own album cover art, and a track listing, and under the album section, it will say "Flush - Single", which means that this should not be an article about a song, but a single, which are two very different things, if you do your research. dude527 (talk) 18:56, 24 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment, funny guy. Anyways, this article is for an album single, not a regular song. WP:MUSIC#SONG is in need of a serious rewrite and inclusion of the notability of singles. Vixen Windstorm (talk) 10:43, 29 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment: I try to keep things light hearted, its prevents wiki-stress. A rewrite of WP:MUSIC#SONG is outside the scope of this afd, but you should submit a proposal for discussion on Village Pump or something. As it stands, this article should be deleted--Finalnight (talk) 15:40, 29 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]


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The result was keep. Nakon 01:11, 30 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Psychosocial (song)[edit]

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Contested redirect of non-notable song scheduled for release. Fails WP:MUSIC#SONGS. Mdsummermsw (talk) 19:50, 19 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

  • Comment Well then, this isn't notable. The information is even inaccurate as the article is about a single, not a song. Labeling it "song" is making this article even more inaccurate. Labeling this article as a standalone song renders it non-notable and it should be redirected, or the content should be changed. I just don't see the accuracy in saying the article is about a single, but labeling it as a song. If you want it to be notable, you'd best change the content to focus on the song, or change the title to focus on the single. dude527 (talk) 19:02, 24 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment It doesn't seem that way, the content seems to be written more about a song then a single. Example: "It is scheduled to enter airplay on June 30, 2008,[2] and will be released as a digital single on July 1, 2008.[3] and on June 21, 2008 a 30-second preview of the single was released by Nuclear Blast." dude527 (talk) 19:19, 24 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]
I guarentee that further info will be added when it becomes avalible. The physical CD single does not have a track listing or release date set, though the official Slipknot site says the info will be avalible shortly. Blackngold29 19:25, 24 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  • I'm gonna come right out with it, dude527, you have a weird outlook on how to represent a single. The example you used is exactly how to represent a single. The single is scheduled to hit the radio, so how else do you recommend saying it? The single will be released as A DIGITAL SINGLE; how else do you suggest we note this? A 30-second preview of THE SINGLE was released by Nuclear Blast; what was released as a 30-second preview? THE SINGLE. These are things that appear on album articles as well, release dates, previews, etc. But wait a sec, don't you feel singles should be treated like albums? Because we got that covered. But you're forgetting that singles are songs, pieces of music. We're not going to not mention its attributes as a song just because it was pressed on a piece of plastic and sent to radio stations. I feel we balance the song as both a single, and where it stands as a song, just fine. It isn't even out yet, we're doing the best we can here. Vixen Windstorm (talk) 07:42, 25 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]
I'm just saying, if you want to avoid the article's deletion as per WP:MUSIC#SONGS, the content should be changed accordingly, as this article is not about a song, but a single. dude527 (talk) 09:55, 25 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]
And how do you sugegst we do that? As Rtiztik just said, everything there is about the single. Jasca Ducato (talk) 11:16, 25 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was Reverted to notable version prior to change of material. The politician seems notable. Non-admin closure. Ten Pound Hammer and his otters • (Broken clamshells•Otter chirps) 21:30, 19 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Gordon Ritchie[edit]

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Non-notability Deconstructhis (talk) 19:49, 19 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

oooops sorry about that. mea culpa Deconstructhis (talk) 20:14, 19 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

It's blind luck really. It's been a while since I have looked at my watchlist. When I looked at it today, there was an article I have edited up for deletion. So, I had to take a look. When I looked at the article, I couldn't believe that I would have ever touched an article like that without nominating it for deletion. So, I checked the history to see what I was thinking. Well, it was a very different article. -- JamesTeterenko (talk) 20:38, 19 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]
It WAS a great catch. I've been trying to clean up some of the mess I've inadvertently created. Apologies to all Deconstructhis (talk) 20:41, 19 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was delete. The reasons provided with the arguments to keep did not address policy-related issues. Shereth 21:30, 24 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Glass Skin[edit]

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Contested redirect of non-notable single, schedule for release in September. Fails WP:MUSIC#SONGS. Mdsummermsw (talk) 19:39, 19 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was Looks like a pretty comprehensively withdrawn nom. Grutness...wha? 01:26, 20 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

When Do We Eat? (1918 film)[edit]

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Delete because it fails WP:N. WP:NF states the requirements. The film is widely distributed and has received full length reviews by two or more nationally known critics. NO The film is historically notable, as evidenced by one or more of the following: Publication of at least two non-trivial articles, at least five years after the film's initial release. NO The film was deemed notable by a broad survey of film critics, academics, or movie professionals, when such a poll was conducted at least five years after the film's release.NO The film was given a commercial re-release, or screened in a festival, at least five years after initial release. NO The film was featured as part of a documentary, program, or retrospective on the history of cinema. NO The film has received a major award for excellence in some aspect of filmmaking.NO The film was selected for preservation in a national archive.NO The film is "taught" as a subject at an accredited university or college with a notable film program. NO. Sorry, it fails the criteria and should be deleted. Model710 (talk) 19:22, 19 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

It's fifty minutes long, not 5. And I've just been working on adding a plot. Lugnuts (talk) 20:09, 19 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]
(ce)Oh, you're saying our article has no plot overview, therefore we should delete it rather than write one from the many sources that summarize the plot? Sorry. I wouldn't have even replied if I knew that's what you meant... Dekkappai (talk) 20:11, 19 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]
I never said delete. I asked how the article, the way it is now, establishes encyclopedic value. I was trying to show what my first impression was to point out the work it needs.--Koji†Dude (C) 20:15, 19 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Keep I am being attacked and called a sock. This is a way to bully me. So I give up. I vote keep. I declare this article the most notable in the history of Wikipedia. Model710 (talk) 23:40, 19 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]


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The result was keep. Sjakkalle (Check!) 08:02, 26 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Chris Fryar[edit]

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He's played with several notable bands but that doesn't make him individually notable. I see no reliable sources pertaining exclusively to him. Ten Pound Hammer and his otters • (Broken clamshells•Otter chirps) 17:41, 19 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. Wizardman 17:08, 29 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Starting Over (Korn song)[edit]

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Lack of notability, biased information, lack of information dude527 (talk) 19:00, 19 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]


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The result was delete. Wizardman 17:09, 29 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Yeah! Tour[edit]

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Not notable Tenacious D Fan (talk) 18:49, 19 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Huh? I am not sure I understand what you mean.--Finalnight (talk) 15:51, 29 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]


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The result was delete. Shereth 21:45, 24 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Andrew Plummer (footballer)[edit]

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Fails to meet WP:BIO per WP:Athlete for not having made a professional appearance. The Rambling Man (talk) 18:48, 19 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

  • Comment Being signed to a club, even a professional one, does not pass WP:ATHLETE. The fact that he's signed and probably will compete at a level that passes WP:ATHLETE does not pass WP:CRYSTAL. Once he has competed at a level that passes WP:ATHLETE, then the article should be recreated. --/Mendaliv/2¢/Δ's/ 22:40, 19 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was delete. Wizardman 17:10, 29 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Hangar 9 Sundowner[edit]

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The article does not appear to be written with a neutral point of view. - DiligentTerrier (and friends)18:14, 19 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Comment - See below conversation. ShoesssS Talk 00:20, 20 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Working on it now. --PMDrive1061 (talk) 22:55, 19 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Comment – I do appreciate the effort you have put into this piece, and anyone with time here at Afd knows I am all for keeping articles. However, concerning this piece, where is the Notability? Even in a niche interest group, I see little to no coverage. If you can provide some independent – verifiable – creditable – 3rd party sources, and more than just company press releases, I am more than happy to change my opinion. Either way this particular Afd goes, I know where to look for a passionate advocate. ShoesssS Talk 23:46, 19 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Thank you. I've done about all I can on it. Unfortunately, radio controlled aircraft are a definite niche item. They are notable within hobbyist's circles, maybe not so much outside. I just found that a model I'd written about some time ago no longer has that article. Yet another model I'd written about was deleted on an AfD soon after I started back in to editng here. I was absolutely sure of its notability, but no one seemed to agree. --PMDrive1061 (talk) 23:58, 19 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Comment – How about a Merge/Redirect to the company’s page Hangar 9 or even the parent company’s pageHorizon Hobby. I believe the piece would fit nicely into either of those pieces. However, the concern I have, is that both companies articles may be subject to Afd in that Notability has not been established with either piece. ShoesssS Talk 00:12, 20 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  1. Delete This reads like marketing collateral - it doesn't belong here. Ecoleetage (talk) 01:11, 20 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]


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The result was Delete --JForget 23:21, 25 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Delta Security[edit]

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Non-notable security company. BradV 18:09, 19 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]


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The result was delete. A redirect may be created as an editorial matter.  Sandstein  20:16, 24 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Burn rubber[edit]

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Is there even one item that belongs on this dab page? The first item violates WP:DAB#Partial title matches, the second goes against WP:DAB#Dictionary definitions and the third has its own (redirect) page. Clarityfiend (talk) 18:00, 19 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]


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The result was keep. Shereth 21:43, 24 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

List of bills sponsored by Barack Obama in the United States Senate[edit]

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Violates WP:NOTDIR and WP:IINFO. Anything relevant here can and should be incorporated into Political positions of Barack Obama. Besides, if we have a page like this for Obama, we'll need one for every significant member of a national assembly worldwide to avoid POV problems, and doing that would get way out of hand. TheCatalyst31 Reaction•Creation 18:32, 19 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Cross reference - There is a similar AfD at List of amendments proposed by Barack Obama in the United States Senate. -- Bebestbe (talk) 00:49, 20 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Well, if we delete all the political articles about politics we won't have much left. Savidan 00:48, 20 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]
I can't see how this could possibly be described as indiscriminate. Senators introduce bills; important senators introduce many of them. It's not like we're listing the people on his street or high school graduating class. Savidan 00:46, 20 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  • Well, given the number of papers, magazines, and other print media that cover the United States Senate - Congressional Quarterly, The Hill, and The National Journal come to mind - every bill introduced probably meets our general notability criteria. I agree with the coatrack problem except that I believe that this page will end up highly watched. --CastAStone//₵₳$↑₳₴₮ʘ№€ 01:00, 20 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]
The article is clearly appropriate according to the policies listed. It is not an "indiscriminate collection of information", because the exact number of bills listed matches a source cited and several sites interested in government will yield precisely this list of bills sponsored by Obama. It is not a list with non-notable entries, because most of the bills I've looked up so far have at least some discussion in third party sources, though sometimes they are quite obscure. It is not a "coatrack" or a "can of worms" because there is fairly little discretionary content, and where substantial content exists about a particular bill an article can be started on that one piece of legislation.
The list format serves a particularly useful role because it allows readers to sort by title, allowing them to find multiple introductions of a particular bill. It also allows searching by bill number for specific queries.
It is true that this can (and should) be done for other senators. However, Obama is clearly of special interest at this point in time. It is conceivable that at some point this list could be superseded by a well-written page that customizes a comparable list for any Senator from all sessions of Congress, but it is my impression that such a page would not work quickly or efficiently without fundamental revisions in the core software. There really is little waste of space in creating separate lists of bills sponsored or amendments proposed by each senator, since each has only one sponsor.
A merge into the political positions of Barack Obama is undesirable, because the full table would overwhelm that article, and anything less would involve an arbitrary selection of certain bills as more important than others. Also, there is arguably a distinction between political positions and concrete legislative actions. It was actually the limitation of the Barack Obama article, and the unavoidable bias that occurs when only a few bills are selected for discussion, that led me to create this table. Mike Serfas (talk) 01:02, 20 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]
What is Wikipedia for? If Wikipedia can cover the 2005 Texas Longhorn football team and the December to Dismember (2006) pay-per-view event, Stephen Colbert at the 2006 White House Correspondents' Association Dinner and Metal Gear Solid 3: Snake Eater (all of which are current featured articles), then why should it be taboo to have an article about each and every major piece of legislation introduced in one of the world's better known legislatures? And in turn, to have lists of such legislation crediting them to their primary sponsors?
We all know what Moore's Law is. Year by year, the number of articles that Wikipedia can hold using a fixed amount of money and serve to the general public in a fixed period of time will grow in an exponential manner. What will these new articles be about? Should we dream only that they should cover each wrestling pay per view event, but not dare to touch on issues of politics?
I have another idea. I think that as Wikipedia's reach grows, that the time will come when each new bill, on the day of its introduction if not sooner, will receive its own Wikipedia entry linking it to its founder and news coverage of the circumstances leading to its introduction. I think that there will be a "U.S. Senate" Wikiportal where people will see each of these articles as a "Did you know?" fact for the day, among other relevant entries. I think that each bill will be linked into a list of bills sponsored by so-and-so, and summarized as appropriate in a shorter summary of the political positions of so-and-so. I think that the vast majority of these articles will be started by supporters who do not deny their partisan opinions, but that they will be adorned with links to other sourced criticism in a timely fashion by those on the other side. I think that most of the time this process can happen in a relatively civil manner overseen by the neutral bloc of editors and admins primarily devoted to Wikipedia policy. And I think that the result of this process will be that more Americans (in this case) will read these bills, will ask relevant (if pointed) questions in the discussion pages, will rephrase these questions with less restraint on political talk forums in the external links, and will in this manner yield genuine, informed feedback on the bills. By causing the voters to yield more relevant, better timed, better thought out feedback directly on legislation, Wikipedia will not only assist in the formation of better bills, but will generally put pressure on Washington insiders to treat their constituents with more respect than they have been accustomed to.
I don't deny that the full implementation of this idea requires hundreds of lists and tens of thousands of articles just to cover the United States alone. But Wikipedia will be adding millions of new articles in coming years, and these should be among them. I also don't deny that the creation of an article is a method by which people can express a personal bias in favor of its subject matter. But that is true for articles about video games and rugby teams as much as it is about politics. When so many people have such strong opinions, Wikipedia will not be free of electioneering, but we can choose what kind of electioneering we want: do we want the kind where individuals express their sympathies by writing up new articles with sourced, accurate information, or the kind where individuals cluster at AfD discussions and try to get one another's information deleted? Mike Serfas (talk) 21:51, 21 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was delete. Arguments referencing Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of bills sponsored by Barack Obama in the United States Senate are not really pertinent as that debate covers a different topic and is of a different nature. Shereth 21:41, 24 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

List of amendments proposed by Barack Obama in the United States Senate[edit]

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Violates WP:NOTDIR and WP:IINFO. Also, creates quite a slippery slope. Currently, no similar articles exist for the 1900 other people who have served in the US Senate, the 8600 who have sat in the US House, members of the British Parliament, the German Bundestag, the French National Assembly, the Filipino Senate, or the Malawian National Assembly, nor should they. We are an encyclopedia, not a legislative journal. Biruitorul Talk 17:56, 19 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Cross reference - There is a similar AfD at List of bills sponsored by Barack Obama in the United States Senate. -- Bebestbe (talk) 00:50, 20 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]
There is nothing in the NPOV policy that says you have to create 100 articles if you want to create one. The list that I created satisfies the NPOV policy, and that is all that I can be held to account for. I think that there is substantial public interest in knowing what legislation Obama has proposed, and the companion article list of bills sponsored by Barack Obama in the United States Senate was rated "top-importance" by WikiProject U.S. Congress. Mike Serfas (talk) 01:49, 20 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Actually, I interpret the (second-to-last) paragraph to refer to his votes as a member of the Veterans' Affairs Committee and the Lugar-Obama bill more than his sponsored legislation per se. Mike Serfas (talk) 11:52, 20 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was Speedy Delete (non-admin closure), speedy deleted per CSD G4. - DiligentTerrier (and friends)19:02, 19 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Seventysomething (term)[edit]

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A re-creation of an article deleted a while ago. Georgia guy (talk) 17:44, 19 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was Delete. Fram (talk) 09:32, 27 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Golden tutoring[edit]

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It doesn't satisfy WP:COMPANY. It has been the subject of a local TV station report about it being a scam. Other than that, there isn't much in the way of reliable sources. Clarityfiend (talk) 17:45, 19 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was Delete. Not notable outside Brighton. Malinaccier (talk) 01:02, 25 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Brighton Information Studies MA[edit]

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A degree not notable enough to have an independent article, appears to be only in Brighton? SGGH speak! 18:05, 13 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete.  Sandstein  20:14, 24 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Shlomi Fish[edit]

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Not notable, violates Autobio WP:BIO, orphaned, useless WP:N. EvanCarroll (talk) 17:32, 19 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

One year diff of all edits done to this article by someone other than Shlomi (subject of the article).

  • So find one source that talks about the accomplishments Shlomi! Please tell me why Shlomi is anymore notable than any other author of a CPAN module (myself included). This is a direct violation of a WP:BIO anyway EvanCarroll (talk) 18:00, 19 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Below from Evan Carroll
  • It only has primary sources he wrote, **and** he wrote the article so there is arguably a WP:COI too.
  • No notable source has written about the works of Shlomi Fish.
  • You can not tell what makes him different from any other CPAN author. Or, even any other CPAN author who has written to an O'reilly blog.
I would hope that not every one who has authored articles on O'reilly's blog is notable in your eyes -- and so I would ask you what makes him different? EvanCarroll (talk) 18:55, 19 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]
UPDATE Amir E. Aharoni: I think it is a rather clandestine tactic that you did not recuse yourself, or disclaim that you also frequent Israel.pm the perl monger group for Israel. Which is subsequently also the group that Shlomi frequents. I see this as a violation of WP:COI. EvanCarroll (talk) 21:55, 19 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Ehh ... I didn't bother to mention it because i thought that our Israeli names give it away too easily :) Seriously, you shouldn't be so suspicious. --Amir E. Aharoni (talk) 08:08, 20 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]


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The result was Keep. Is notable, just needs to be cleaned up. Malinaccier (talk) 00:55, 25 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Football University[edit]

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Creation by new user Fbu08 suggests spam. Is it notable? — RHaworth (Talk | contribs) 17:30, 19 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was Delete. Unsourced, not notable. Malinaccier (talk) 00:53, 25 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Nanopond[edit]

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No assertion of notability (WP:N), no references (WP:V). Previously deleted through prod with same concerns. Tagged with ((notability)) concern in February but was anonymously removed without comment. 143 ghits, mostly wikis and blogs, couldn't see anything both reliable and substantial. Marasmusine (talk) 16:50, 19 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. Wizardman 17:11, 29 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

La piccola banda[edit]

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No assertion of notability. Had a look on google, and can't find anything that would indicate that this is likely to change Ged UK (talk) 10:07, 12 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

--uɐɔlnʌɟoʞǝɹɐs 13:36, 12 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was merge to Helloween discography#Tribute. Wizardman 17:12, 29 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

The Keepers of Jericho - Part II[edit]

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Non-notable tribute album Tenacious D Fan (talk) 14:48, 12 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was merge to Helloween discography#Tribute.. Fabrictramp | talk to me 15:24, 28 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

The Keepers of Jericho - Part I[edit]

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Non-notable tribute album Tenacious D Fan (talk) 14:48, 12 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was keep. Nakon 01:09, 30 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Rick Emerson[edit]

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contested prod. This article fails to establish why this radio personality, out of thousands, is notable. No 3rd party references. Currently fails WP:BIO. EBSCO, Regional Business News, and ERIC database searches across Billboard, Mediaweek, local business journals, brought up only 1 hit and Emerson wasn't the subject of the article. Google news brought up a couple of hits from a paper in Portland, Oregon and a paper in Spokane. Can this article meet WP:BIO? Subject is a bit difficult to search on because of the common name. Rtphokie (talk) 23:35, 12 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Comment: I'm not taking a position on this. The guy and his show are clearly sufficiently notable for a WP article, but there's been more non-encyclopedic editing on both articles than I'm interested in dealing with; and a bad article might be worse than no article. However, if anyone does want to work on a better article, here are just a few of the many sources available about Emerson: -Pete (talk) 18:31, 13 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  • Taylor, Dawn. "Geeks tune in to their time: Disenfranchised find home on the airwaves and in pop culture", Portland Tribune, April 1, 2008.
  • Werkhoven, Todd. "Static follows Entercom’s move", Portland Tribune, May 27, 2005.
  • Beck, Byron. "Rick Emerson "Weenie" Roast: It Was Kind of Like Oz (HBO's Prison show, not the Land of Munchkins)", Willamette Week, May 16, 2008.
  • Baumgarten, Mark. "Return of the pleasantness", Willamette Week, March 22, 2006.
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Comment - references in the article do not support this person being known "world-wide". The only references are original sources or are from the local newspaper.--Rtphokie (talk) 01:44, 22 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Reply - I just happen to operate one of the many outlets for his show, and I have logs that indicate people from around the world download and listen to his show. He has also mentioned on air the different places his show is downloaded, including by troops serving in Iraq. I will try to find the direct reference to it in the minutes of the show and reference it accordingly. TEG (talk) 15:56, 23 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Comment - Podcasts run by people out of their basements are downloaded by people around the world, that doesn't make them notable. References need to come from reliable 3rd party sources.--Rtphokie (talk) 11:22, 24 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Reply While I don't agree with you, it doesn't matter - you're setting up a straw man. The podcasts are not made in somebody's basement, they're recordings of the on-air feed made available on the radio station's website, which is owned by CBS. As for references, the archive TEG operates has been up for over two years, and he is not related to the show, to Rick Emerson, or to CBS Radio - I'd say that makes him a reliable third party. Owenja (talk) 09:22, 26 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Comment You miss my point, the availability of a podcast doesn't guarantee notability. A podcast which was originally broadcast over the air isn't any more notable either. Also, can you expand on how TEG's archives establishes notability? It's an self-published audio archive. WP:V#SELF tells us "Self-published sources should never be used as third-party sources about living persons" --Rtphokie (talk) 09:44, 26 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Reply I disagree, a talk show broadcast over the radio is more notable than a self-produced podcast. The podcast was made by audience request so that people outside the station's coverage area could listen to it, and its availability wasn't used to demonstrate notability, its download statistics were -- specifically, that people around the world download it. I'm saying that as a third-party redistributer TEG is able to provide those statistics. Owenja (talk) 18:14, 26 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was Delete. Not notable. Malinaccier (talk) 00:50, 25 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

The Mercy Dolls[edit]

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fails WP:MUSIC. awards are minor and for the clips creator, only one ep, claims of controversy are unsourced. Duffbeerforme (talk) 12:52, 7 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. Wizardman 17:13, 29 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

FL2 Interactive[edit]

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I would keep an eye on this for a few days... as it stands now its a CSD but it could be legit if more external sources and other stuff keeps get added to it to meet WP:CORP. I dont want to CSD it just yet so I'm opening an AFD for this article. Katanada (talk) 15:58, 19 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Not trying to spam but... What would you suggest? I tried to model this after what Crispin Porter & Bogusky has done and their section is approved. —Preceding unsigned comment added by FormIsEmpty (talk • contribs) 16:06, 19 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]


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The result was Speedy close. Until today, this was a redirect to Saying, until it was overwritten as a carbon-copy of List of famous sayings — a laundry list of loosely associated sayings which is also up for AfD. I have redirected this back to Saying, as I felt that this was a non-controversial move. Non-admin closure. Ten Pound Hammer and his otters • (Broken clamshells•Otter chirps) 16:01, 19 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Sayings[edit]

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This potentially endless list of witticisms belongs to wikiquote Mukadderat (talk) 15:45, 19 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. Wizardman 13:57, 29 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Chad Lopez[edit]

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Non-notable actor. This individual has only appeared in reality TV (as seen in this IMDb link and has no notable accomplishments except for receiving second place in the March of Dimes, a non-notable event. Cunard (talk) 15:37, 19 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]


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The result was Delete and salt. This is a difficult decision but I'm going to have to make a decision one way or the other to end this recreation/renomination cycle. I will delete it because:

I refer people to Deletion Review if they wish to pursue this further. - Richard Cavell (talk) 08:15, 29 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Moneyfacts.co.uk[edit]

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Nominated for speedy and declined. Non-notable company/website, spammy, no reliable sources. Re-creation of a previous article that has been deleted as spam THREE times (albeit with a different title). ukexpat (talk) 15:27, 19 June 2008 (UTC). Also, WP:SALT to prevent re-creation.  – ukexpat (talk) 15:46, 19 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

May I also suggest SALT-ing the title as there is no doubt it will be recreated a fourth time if this AfD succeeds. Darrenhusted (talk)
fixed the link: it is [15] DGG (talk) 14:03, 23 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Comment Please note that some of the people "voting" delete above did do research. Saying that we didn't bother looking at this is ridiculous. This article neither asserts notability nor did it make any attempt at reliable 3rd party sourcing (both of which articles which aren't simply advertising should have from the beginning). Also, and somewhat separately why does "Moneyfacts" redirect to Ethical banking? Jasynnash2 (talk) 09:07, 23 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Comment. Aren't "has over half a million users" and "supply the majority of the national and regional press and over 100 Financial websites with Best Buy charts" assertions of notability? And wouldn't the normal research done by anyone nominating or commenting at AfD include a news archive search? I've no idea why Moneyfacts redirected to Ethical banking - you'd better ask User:Mac who did it if you really want to know. I've changed the redirect to go to the page under discussion here. Phil Bridger (talk) 12:09, 23 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]
I grant you the users thing and the other thing says popular. I was under the impression notability was about more than just that though. The news stuff I saw seemed to be moneyfacts commenting on other people and not the other way around (which is also something I thought was the requirement). I'm willing to change to a weak keep if I was wrong on these though. It still doesn't justify your generalisation of people though. Jasynnash2 (talk) 14:45, 23 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Many of the Google News hits are reporting quotations from Moneyfacts, but many also are major media sources referring to Moneyfacts as one of the best places to go for information on the UK consumer finance market. The first 50 of those hits include such statements from the BBC, The Daily Telegraph, The Guardian, The Independent and The Times - the five major non-tabloid general news sources in the UK. Phil Bridger (talk) 15:00, 23 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]
fixed, see above.DGG (talk) 14:03, 23 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was Keep (non-admin close) RMHED (talk) 18:00, 24 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Paul Fairburn[edit]

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Non-notable radio broadcaster. Fails WP:BIO. Cunard (talk) 15:18, 19 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was no consensus. (jarbarf) (talk) 23:20, 26 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Chemical Reaction (artscene group)[edit]

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Uncertain if notable. Has been prodded (and contested) and speedy-tagged and -deleted and contested. Claims of "it's notable/important" have not been supported with RS cites. Seems like it could be important historically and/or in its genre. DMacks (talk) 15:07, 19 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]


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The result was Keep The only user to vote delete seemed to have some sort of axe to grind, and keep votes were made by trusted and established users. Non-admin closure...... Dendodge .. TalkHelp 16:22, 19 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Real World/Road Rules Challenge: The Inferno[edit]

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Completeing nomination for new user whose edit summary referred to this being unsourced Spartaz Humbug! 17:23, 14 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Jaime Moore 21:35, 15 June 2008 (UTC)

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The result was speedily deleted. Fabrictramp | talk to me 22:53, 19 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Larry Wayne Sinclair[edit]

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Page has been deleted multiple times under various editions and criteria - attack page, non-notable, even G4 (even though that was misapplied). Larry Sinclair was salted; this page was an (annoying) "workaround". We (read: I) decided on the RPP page that I'd bring it here and get some consensus on notability - it seems borderline. At least the page is sourced now. Tan | 39 14:51, 19 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I don't think there were any, Jclemens - had only been speedied. Tan | 39 15:18, 19 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]
I've reread WP:BLP, and I do not see how this is in violation. It's well-sourced. The only thing I'm not convinced of is enduring notability as an event, it appears to be solely relevant to United States presidential election, 2008, but similar information on other accusations and controversies is not included in that article, so a merge would be of questionable appropriateness. Jclemens (talk) 15:52, 19 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]
WP:OTHERSTUFFEXISTS is not a valid reason to keep an article, so it doesn't matter if we have an article on Paula Jones. What matters is notability via third-party, reliable sources. Tan | 39 15:32, 19 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Which is why I went on to note the new version of the article is sourced, although I'm having some problems keeping sources in the article. this would be my preferred version currently: [16] -- Kendrick7talk 15:37, 19 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]
This calls into question the appropriateness of salting the prior article--regardless of how bad the last one was, this one has a reasonable facsimilie of balance, so the prior one could have been improved. If the consensus is to keep as a separate article, it seems appropriate to move it back to the previously salted name. Jclemens (talk) 15:55, 19 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Agreed, and I've expressed that at WP:RFPP. BradV 15:59, 19 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]
I think salting was fine given the lack of reliable sources prior to a few days ago; we never know the future. Refusing to unsalt Larry Sinclair after new sources came to light isn't so cool though. -- Kendrick7talk 16:10, 19 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Articles in the Sydney Morning Herald (reprinted in The Age) and The Politico and on News Limited's site. Yes, the story has appeared in dozens of blogs over the past 4 months, but the article doesn't rely on such sources. -- Kendrick7talk 16:10, 19 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]
It's appeared in such diverse sources as [http://www.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=57248 WND] and The Washington Blade. The Huffington Post covered it, and The Sun Herald, of all places, picked up the press club event news release. Jclemens (talk) 16:21, 19 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]
I will say that the sourcing on the article has improved considerably since this morning. I am not familiar with all the sources that have been mentioned, as normally I don't do much with political articles. I will considering revising my !vote if it appears that that these other sources establish the information in the article. Xymmax So let it be written So let it be done 16:32, 19 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]
See the article. I've added even more sourcing. --Faith (talk) 18:26, 19 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Look at the article history--it was in there, but another editor took it out due to BLP concerns. I agree that it adds balance and perspective to the article, and should be included if it is kept in any form. Further, would you suggest an appropriate venue to merge this information? Does it belong in a summary of the 2008 presidential campaign? I agree that the event is more notable than the instigator. Jclemens (talk) 19:35, 19 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]
(ec)There's ongoing discussion on the article talk page about that. Two sources and Sinclair himself (in his blog and press releases which I'm not going to link to) all admit to his criminal past, but that's not quite convincing my fellow editors. I'm unfortunately at 3RR over that. -- Kendrick7talk 19:40, 19 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]
re my opinion about a suitable venue: does wikinews have a tabloid/gossip section for trivial election press inanities? this could go right next to "terrorist fist bump" Pete.Hurd (talk) 20:03, 19 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]
It really doesn't matter that he has no credibility. It was reported in RS's, who have raised their own questions about his credibility. Even WND, no friend to Obama, reported that he failed the lie detector. Jclemens (talk) 19:35, 19 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Whoa, how does it matter whether he has credibility? That has nothing to do with whether an article on him belongs on Wikipedia. Tons of people with no credibility have articles, as that is not a factor. Enigma message 20:01, 19 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]
The American MSM has obviously taken a collective a pass on this, with the exception of The Politico. Arguably, the Australian media is being objective and doing their job. Anyway, WP:N isn't "only things covered by CNN." -- Kendrick7talk 20:49, 19 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment So, just to get this straight, while Americans are barraged by partisan snippets of this man's story in their inboxes for the next 5 months, or even 4 years and 5 months, you think that under no circumstances should they have recourse to wikipedia as a NPOV source to know anything about the man behind these allegations? Seems like a partisan stance. -- Kendrick7talk 21:05, 19 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  • If it makes you feel better, I'm not an Obama supporter by any stretch. And what part of this article that you've had deleted several times makes you believe it's NPOV? It's a content fork, it's not even a biography of Mr. Sinclair. It fails on so many levels I don't even know where to begin...Keeper | 76 | Disclaimer 21:08, 19 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  • I'll add that if you honestly believe that this person will still be talked about in 4 yrs and 5 months (or even 8 years and 5 months), then I'll be the first in line to apologize. I'm willing to bet he won't be talked about in the next 5 months even. Unless of course, Wikipedia is stupid enough to believe that he has done anything meriting a page dedicated to him because of his "press conferences", on a top-10 website. I don't care what anybody's inbox says. Unsubscribe to the chaff my friend. Keeper | 76 | Disclaimer 21:11, 19 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Meh, we have 2,419,731 articles. If he's talked about elsewhere, our readers will have this article as a resource. If not, hardly anyone is going to stumble upon this. I've not trying to get this on the front page! -- Kendrick7talk 21:30, 19 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Every article should be trying to get on the front page, and every article needs to be a credible article, appropriately balanced, appropriately cited, and appropriately encyclopedic. We do have 2.4 million articles. And more than 8 million editors. So what. That doesn't excuse even one bad article (although there are many, I agree, and that doesn't mean we don't block the one bad editor that we stumble upon daily. Keeper | 76 | Disclaimer 21:33, 19 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  • The point is that the controversy exists. He's a liar, criminal, and not credible; then we put that in the article. We don't delete because the person caused their own controvery; we report it according to the RS. --Faith (talk) 21:14, 19 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  • This article is the very definition of FORK. It isn't about Mr. Sinclair, it's about his alleged encounter(s) with a notable person. At the very least, it is improperly named. It should be in a "controversy" article about Obama, or as a snippet somewhere else. I'm absolutely baffled as to why anyone would find this appropriate as an article at this point. Keeper | 76 | Disclaimer 21:18, 19 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  • Do rather suspect that if it were periperial to an election in South America, rather than North America, that all of a sudden it would be seen as the news trivia that it is... Pete.Hurd (talk) 21:34, 19 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]
How does this meet CDS G4? Tan | 39 21:59, 19 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]
I guess that much of the material is the same as what was on Larry Sinclair. Kendrick7 was working on it on the article's talk page, but that was then deleted as well. Enigma message 22:01, 19 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]
G4 is only for articles previously deleted via deletion discussions, like this one. It's not for things that were previously deleted only by CSD criteria. Tan | 39 22:04, 19 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]
It meets the spirit of G4, not the letter. This is definitely an instance of WP:IAR. Keeper | 76 | Disclaimer 22:05, 19 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Seeing as G4 reads, "This does not apply to ... speedy deletions", I'm pretty sure we can't apply it here. But I'm really just arguing for the fun of it, I know what you guys are saying. Tan | 39 22:09, 19 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]
...which means we agree :-). G4 is for previous whatever whatever whatever. I agree, in 99.9% of deletion debates. IAR, on the other hand, is for debates that don't hafta follow G4. This was deleted and salted, by several admins, for very good reasons, and should be deleted again. Keeper | 76 | Disclaimer 22:12, 19 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]
It's really not even close to the same article as before, though. I think the argument should focus on why it should be deleted now, not why it was deleted in the past. Tan | 39 22:14, 19 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]
It's the same article. Over and over and over again. The difference this time is it just has superscript reference numbers now, all of which prove that this is a fork, a coatrack, a BLP vio, and a one event vio, suitable for slow news days, tabloid type newspapers, yellow journalism, Fox News, Rush Limbaugh, and blogs. Not for an encyclopedia. Keeper | 76 | Disclaimer 22:17, 19 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]
It was salted by one admin, because people kept recreating unsourced garbage. Per WP:BURO, that's of no matter now. -- Kendrick7talk 22:27, 19 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]
It was salted by one admin after being deleted by several beforehand. No admin salts after the first deletion. This also has absolutely nothing to do with "BURO", which I personally detest. I'm all for article creation, and article enhancement, and article protection. I'm strictly against BLP problems though. This has severe BLP problems, both against Mr. Sinclair and Mr. Obama. This has absolutely no place in Wikipedia, which is an encyclopedia, not a blog, and not a "news source". Wikipeida regurgitates old news, of the notable nature. This person is not notable, and neither are his claims to notability. This is an aggregious misuse of Wikipedia to further his agenda. Keeper | 76 | Disclaimer 22:32, 19 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Which was absolutely inappropriate and a total abuse of admin tools, in my opinion. Tan | 39 22:42, 19 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Article is already at DRV as it turns out, see Wikipedia:DRV#Larry_Sinclair. -- Kendrick7talk 22:45, 19 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]


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The result was Delete. Non notable neologism. Malinaccier (talk) 00:47, 25 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Al Kudlow[edit]

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Apparently non-notable neologism. Can find no coverage whatsoever in secondary sources. Gr1st (talk) 13:57, 19 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was Keep, I'd recommend deleting all non-encyclopaedic content and material not referenced to reliable sources. This will reduce the present article to a reasonably good stub. Tim Vickers (talk) 18:47, 29 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

E-Sword (2nd nomination)[edit]

This has been AfDed and closed as delete twice (Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/E-Sword (second nomination) in 2006, Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/E-Sword in 2004 (although never deleted)) and has been deleted thrice). It was also bundled as a part of a larger AfD that was closed as "Keep as bundled. I would recommend that individual articles are nominated by themselves, as some may have slipped through the cracks."

The current article is nothing but an ad/how to/feature guide which would not be a problem if it could be improved but there appear to be a lack of non-trivial sources. There are vague claims to notability made at AfD but the article remains sourced almost wholly from its own website. There is no evidence from its history and RS coverage that this article has the potential to be anything encyclopedic. TravellingCarithe Busy Bee 13:53, 19 June 2008 (UTC)))[reply]

Comment I know it's the third, as I said in the nom, This has been AfDed and closed as delete twice (Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/E-Sword (second nomination) in 2006, Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/E-Sword in 2004 (although never deleted)) and has been deleted thrice).. Re your comment: One consequence is that market research reports in the industry omit this program. unfortunately notability needs RS coverage. Number downloaded and or otherwise distributed doesn't necessarily show that. TravellingCarithe Busy Bee 19:13, 19 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Comment/clarification: This article has previously been submitted for AfD on five separate occasions. Three times as an individual article, and twice as part of a bundle. This is the sixth time for it to go down the AfD track.jonathon (talk) 19:29, 19 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]
where's the second bundle? I must have missed that one. I only see one where the outcome was keep, it's been deleted three times as well. TravellingCarithe Busy Bee 19:39, 19 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]
It was before the 2006 AdF. I just saw that the December 2007 AdF was not correctly submitted, so I shouldn't have counted it.jonathon (talk) 20:25, 19 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Gotcha, thanks! TravellingCarithe Busy Bee 20:50, 19 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]
WHere has it been reversed or overturned? I don't see any evidence for anything other than its been re-created a number of times? I guess i was meaning that the recreation itself is an indication that some people obviously consider it meets the notabilty level. And should describe the site in an encyclopedic manner, offering detail on a website's achievements, impact or historical significance is exactly what i meant by [t]he article needs improving. It's on the road, just not there yet. Cheers, Lindsay 17:48, 21 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Comment re-creation doesn't mean it's notable per Wikipedia's standards, it means that people don't read the screen that asks if you want to re-create a deleted article . Repeated recreation sometimes leads to artiles being protected against re-creation, not kept by default, although salting is unlikely here. As for it being 'on the road', there's no evidence of active work and no evidence that it's notable, therefore improvments are not likely to have a difference. The need to rely almost exclusively on its own site is not a sign that it has reliable source coverage TravellingCarithe Busy Bee 00:20, 23 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Yeah, i understand. It simply seems odd to me that a product with X number of users, where X is some relatively large number, is not notable simply because it's a popular product in a small niche. Still, that's a point for a different forum, and i won't argue it here. In the interests of disclosure, i ought to point out that i use the product, that's how i happened to end up with it on my watchlist; but i'm certainly not wedded to the article, i'm not even sure i've ever edited it, and won't complain if consensus it to delete. I argue no longer. I am silent. I stop typing. The end...Cheers, Lindsay 10:42, 23 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Back in 2004, the size of the userbase was one of the factors that determined notability for software. The software with the largest userbase was automatically deemed to be notable. jonathon (talk) 19:43, 23 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was Snowball Keep --JForget 00:04, 20 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Ram Shanker[edit]

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Not a significant player to be consider worthy enough for a wiki page Frankie goh (talk) 13:43, 19 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]


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The result was A7 by Nancy, non-admin closure. Ten Pound Hammer and his otters • (Broken clamshells•Otter chirps) 14:49, 19 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Drew Wilson[edit]

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Musician with no releases (according to this he plans for an album in late 2008. As that is the only news article I can find and there is noone else reliable talking about him the article fails to be verifyable and he does not pass the biographical notability requirements Peripitus (Talk) 13:23, 19 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was Delete. Kevin (talk) 00:29, 25 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Mysql lite administrator[edit]

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It is a non-notable piece of software; the homepage is a google spacing, it's still in Beta testing. Has no other sources or third-party references attesting to any favourable reviews/download stats/awards and so on that I could find. Ironholds 13:17, 19 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]


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The result was Delete. Fram (talk) 09:39, 27 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Hassan Raza Hashmi[edit]

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Article on a young man from Pakistan who did well in matric in 2004. After that he has faded from media interest and seems to clearly fail biographical notability. Peripitus (Talk) 13:15, 19 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

That and the few web mentions just avoided speedy delete - Peripitus (Talk) 21:49, 19 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was delete.  Sandstein  20:01, 24 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

List of famous sayings[edit]

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List with vague criteria for inclusion and little encyclopedic content. Contested prod. Fabrictramp | talk to me 13:08, 19 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]


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The result was Delete. Not notable. Malinaccier (talk) 00:46, 25 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Mark Bonto[edit]

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Normally I wouldn't nominate this for AfD just three months after surviving a previous AfD, but despite much research, I can't establish the notability claimed by the previous two keep !votes. Amazon only shows one published book, 78 pages and published by PublishAmerica, a vanity press. Although the article claims he's won "several major comedy competitions", the subject's own website doesn't support this claim (lists awards like winning a military talent show - hardly a major comedy competition). His television show is a public access show -- his website says it's carried in five markets, but a gsearch isn't confirming that, nor does it turn up any information about the PACE award won for the show. The subject's website also claims awards won at the Flint Film Festival, but gnews and gsearch isn't confirming this, nor does this appear to be a major film festival. Fabrictramp | talk to me 13:02, 19 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was nomination withdrawn. PhilKnight (talk) 15:30, 19 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Engkanto[edit]

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Notability concerns - lack of coverage in reliable sources independent of the subject. PhilKnight (talk) 12:54, 19 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Any visitor to the Philippines willing to spend a little time each day to watch local television, read newspapers and comics, catch a movie or live with a family will soon come to be aware of stories about sorcery and witchcraft (kulam), of blood-sucking flying bats (aswáng and manananggal), dwarves and elves (duwende), spirits that enchant the unwary such as the engkanto and tikbalang, ancestral spirits (anito), as well as the pervasive use of creolised prayers that combine Tagálog, Spanish and Latin (orasyón) and amulets (antíng-antíng) through which to guard against the mischief or possible malevolence of these alleged super-natural agents or for the accumulation of spiritual power and potency (kapangyarihan). These kinds of beliefs and associated practices sit beside popular christianised practices of healing and pilgrimage as well as more ‘exotic’ practices such as self-flagellation and crucifixion...
The engkanto are spirits whose domain of specialisation and modus operandi is the seduction and then possession of human subjects. The results of seduction and possession amount to a diminution of the self and the erasing of physical and mental individuality such that the one possessed can no longer be recognised. Typical symptoms of seduction and possession include conversing with invisible others, becoming stiff and going into a trance-like state, getting lost in the woods, acting violently towards family members and friends and memory loss.
Tagálog healers claim that the self consists of seven aspects that must remain bound together if the integrity and identity of the self is to be maintained. Seduction and possession by an engkanto leads to the separation or loss or calling away of one or more of these aspects or strands of the non-material aspects of the self. Vulnerability to loss of identity resonates with local uses of amulets (antíng-antíng) that render the wearer invulnerable to either physical or spiritual harm. However, vulnerability to seduction also resonates with the complex history of a country that since 1565 has been subject to Western influence and which, in more recent years, has made its most profitable export its own population who work the globe as seamen, dancers, hostesses, nannies, nurses, carers and teachers. Starczamora (talk) 14:34, 19 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]


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The result was speedy delete. The article was basically an advertisement.-Wafulz (talk) 16:30, 19 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

The Heard Choir[edit]

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Local choir formed in February 2007. Close to no news interest (no articles I can find except the one in the article). fails the WP:MUSIC notability requirements Peripitus (Talk) 12:53, 19 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]


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The result was Snow Keep Non Admin Close DustiSPEAK!! 19:51, 23 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Mohd Mardani[edit]

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Not an international player, and not among the top players in Singapore. Not significant enough to justify a Wiki page. Frankie goh (talk) 13:27, 19 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]


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The result was Speedy Keep, if you look at the Athlete policy, Mr. Filho meets the criteria as he played professionally in a fully professional league. Further, I suggest someone familiar with the subject add more information and improve the information contained in the article. Non Admin close DustiSPEAK!! 19:56, 23 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Rivaldo Costa Amaral Filho[edit]

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A journeyman player who is not well-known in Southeast Asia, let alone in Brazil. Should not be important enough to have a page in Wiki Frankie goh (talk) 13:19, 19 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]


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The result was Delete --JForget 23:24, 25 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Christian City Church Watson[edit]

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Non-notable Australian church; the article reads more like an advertisement than an encyclopedia article. Ecoleetage (talk) 12:28, 19 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Comment Its relationship with Christian City Churches is irrelevant to the notability of this particular congregation, as is Christian City Church, Oxford Falls, which has attendance of 4,000 - some 2000% higher than Watson. Murtoa (talk) 07:01, 24 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Comment Weekly attendance of 200 is not in itself notable. What would assist would be sufficient independent verifiable sources demonstrating the notability of this particular church, which I doubt would be in existence. I don't see the point in having a separate article on the ACT instances of Christian City Churches as I doubt there would be anything inherently different about those particular churches compared with the rest of Australia. Murtoa (talk) 06:54, 23 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]


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The result was Delete. Fram (talk) 09:42, 27 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Dale Jackson[edit]

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No indication of why this radio personality is notable. No mention of industry awards or even radio syndication that would indicate he's known outside of the local area. Only reference in the article is a blog. Google news doesn't bring up anything helpful either. Is this person notable? Rtphokie (talk) 11:49, 19 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was Delete. Not notable. Malinaccier (talk) 22:51, 24 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Gina Garofano[edit]

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An agent trying to push a clients profiles (badly). Mainly unreferenced, lacks proper WP:A from WP:RS for notability. No sign of any significance. Triwbe (talk) 11:48, 19 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. Wizardman 13:59, 29 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Beth Dustan Fitzsimmons[edit]

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Non-notable. The article is a copy&paste of Fitzsimmons' biography given in its first source, p. 79 (which is in the public domain, so it's not a copyvio; it's not independent of her, though). No secondary sources given (the other given source does not mention Fitzsimmons). There are a few Google News hits, but none seem to provide non-trivial coverage. If sufficient sources are found to keep the article, it should be moved: The subject is Carolyn Beth Fitzsimmons, not Beth Dustan Fitzsimmons. Huon (talk) 11:17, 19 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]


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The result was no consensus, and that is too bad. Those arguing to delete based upon WP:NOT#NEWS had, in my estimation, the strongest individual arguments, however I cannot discount the volume and depth of the keep arguments, either. Honestly, the eventual fate of this article is likely to either get merged somewhere or outright deleted once the immediacy of the event has waned, but this argument clearly has not reached a consensus at this point. Shereth 19:09, 24 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Puppy-throwing marine video incident[edit]

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This article appears to cover a very minor incident of passing interest. As such, it seems to be a clear-cut violation of WP:NOT#NEWS. Nick Dowling (talk) 10:18, 19 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. Shereth 19:04, 24 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Redirection therapy[edit]

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Looks like an advertisement for an non-notable therapy, invented by the author of the article. No independent sources. The very model of a minor general (talk) 10:08, 19 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. Shereth 19:03, 24 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Association for Integrative Studies[edit]

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Appears non notable beyond its own self-published sources, reads like a leaflet or advert, little context. 350 members only. SGGH speak! 10:04, 19 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. Shereth 19:02, 24 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Kaizenetics[edit]

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The article is about a neologism apparently first coined in 2006. I have not been able to find any reliable sources which could be used to verify the content of the article (or even show that the article isn't a hoax) and I doubt that there are any to be found. Guest9999 (talk) 09:13, 19 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Just to expand a Google search of Kaisenetics gives 39 results all of which appear to be about expired domain names. A Google search of "Dennis Cummins" Kaizen gives one result - the Wikipedia article in question. A search of Kaizen gives millions of hits and I would expect that a notable system relating to it would have more of an internet presence. Guest9999 (talk) 09:22, 19 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

sadf —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.15.20.168 (talk) 13:33, 19 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was Delete. Possible hoax, not notable. No sources to back up claims. Malinaccier (talk) 22:48, 24 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Trayvon[edit]

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The result was Delete. Not notable. Malinaccier (talk) 22:44, 24 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Faye Donnelly[edit]

This is a contested prod. The character does not meet Wikipedia:Notability (fiction) and lacks reliable sources. JBsupreme (talk) 07:28, 19 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was Delete --JForget 00:07, 20 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Scooter-rock[edit]

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Apparent case of WP:NFT; neologism made up purely to describe the genre of one (non-notable) band. No evidence term is in widespread use; non-notable and unverifiable. ~Matticus UC 06:55, 19 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]


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The result was delete. Wizardman 17:14, 29 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Thunder (SMV album)[edit]

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The future album of a band that was deleted as non notable. No speedy category so here it is. LegoTech·(t)·(c) 05:20, 19 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]


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The result was Keep. After AreJay's improvements to the article, it passes notability (ie. "...now the largest private hospital chain in the UAE."). Malinaccier (talk) 22:40, 24 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

New Medical Center[edit]

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Just a name of a hospital. Nothing done in two years. No assertion of notability. Can be recreated if suddenly there's a elephant body to human head transplant or some other major event or if the hospital suddenly is expanded. Presumptive (talk) 04:46, 19 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was no consensus to delete (default to keep); article has been merged into Camp Rock. - DiligentTerrier (and friends)22:24, 29 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Camp Rock 2[edit]

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Prod deleted. The fact that a sequel is being considered does not justify the amount of unsupported speculation in this article. Consideration of a sequel is the only unique and referenced material in this article and can easily be included in the Camp Rock article. A redirect to Camp Rock would be sufficient until enough unique information is available to support an article on the sequel. NrDg 04:17, 19 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Checkuser result: likely Ameriquedialectics 15:01, 20 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  • There is no issue with reporting verifiable information about a possible film. However, per the notability guidelines for future films, a stand-alone article is not appropriate until production begins, which is never a guarantee in the film industry. Without this guarantee, there's no certainty of a plot section, a cast section, a production section, a reception section, and so forth. It is too opinionated to say, "It'll be made -- give it time." Films like Logan's Run (2010 film) and Fahrenheit 451 (2009 film) have been significant projects that still have not been produced for many years. —Erik (talk • contrib) - 14:11, 25 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was redirect to Kolkata. The edit history will be preserved so that any useful information can be merged as seen fit. Shereth 21:33, 24 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

List of Kolkata facts[edit]

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The epitome of a violation of WP:NOT an indiscriminate collection of information. Alternately, merge this to Kolkata and subarticles, and redirect to Kolkata. Calliopejen1 (talk) 04:12, 19 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

"I don't care" and "I don't like" were not the arguments for deleting this article. The main problem with this page, and its title, is that it has no scope other than "things related to Kolkata". In which direction would you improve this list if its scope is not even defined? Eklipse (talk) 12:27, 21 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Surely the name and/or scope of this article is not the whole reason behind this debate. When I found this article it was titled "Kolkata trivia" which I then changed to "List of Kolkata facts" in the interest of being "encyclopedic". I think the WP:INDISCRIMINATE policy is being taken a little too far here. I think this can be summed up with "One man's trash is another man's treasure." What some people see as a trash pile of random "trivia", others see as a well-organized list of notable "facts". I would like to point out the main issue here is that most of the information contained in this article is already contained in other articles and simply deleting or merging this article will have accomplished next to nothing. If this information is notable enough to be included within other Kolkata-related articles, then what is the harm in keeping a separate list? List of Monctonians, List of people from Connecticut, and the mother of all lists Lists of Americans are just as "indiscriminate" in their guidelines for inclusion and should rightly be considered "trivial" in nature but seem to be largely favored by the community. --ErgoSum88 (talk) 10:48, 22 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]
There's a difference between List of people from Connecticut and List of Kolkata facts, though.
  • First, it is possible to enumerate people from Connecticut, and to determine which people qualify. It's a large set, but one which has well-defined boundaries. A "Kolkata fact" is not something quite so well-defined, though. You cannot look up one of these facts and determine whether it qualifies as a Kolkata fact or not. Hence, the selection of items is purely subjective.
  • There's also a subtle distinction that you're missing between the partial duplication which exists in most lists and the duplication which exists in this one. Lists are considered important on Wikipedia because they serve as a "value-added" extension of categories - ideally, each item in a list represents some item which is expanded upon elsewhere. Moreover, this duplication only exists because the list is summarizing information from elsewhere. Since all of the notable "Kolkata facts" all belong in Kolkata and related articles, and there's no further expansion to be done on most of these facts, there's no value added by selecting them for appearance here.
Finally, there's simply no value in such a list as this for the reader. Someone who's looking for information on Kolkata will start looking at Kolkata, not List of Kolkata facts. If the exact information they're looking for isn't there, they'll look at a more specific article or a related article - at no point is a "list of facts" a logical location to find information. Which is, in the end, what we're after: organizing information. Zetawoof(ζ) 19:58, 22 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was keep. Shereth 19:01, 24 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Brice Dickson[edit]

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Non-notable academic. No evidence is presented that this academic rises above others of his discipline or specialty, aside from his short stint as head of a a human rights commission. Relevant Google hits are few, with the only one that wasn't a listing of his books being a BBC article about a politician urging him to resign his HRC post Fails WP:PROF. (Contested speedy.) - Realkyhick (Talk to me) 03:46, 19 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

So why then did you vote Keep for Mawhinney and Delete for Dickson? In any event, Dickson appears a lot more notable than Mawhinney to me. He was a major human rights official who received a great deal of coverage in the mass media. She is just an academic specializing in human rights research. The two aren't really comparable, so logically it should be Keep for Dickson and Delete for Mawhinney, not the other way around. Nsk92 (talk) 05:31, 20 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]
NO: I voted as I believed was the logical consequence of pointing out that Mawhinney and Dickson are equals as far as I am concerned, and what's good for the gander is good for the goose. Also, I have updated Mawhinney's page in case anyone wants to take a look to reconsider their opinions. Rotund, but sweet (talk) 12:15, 20 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]
I still don't get you. If you think that their notabilities are equal, then why did you vote differently in the two AfDs? Are you making a WP:POINT here? Nsk92 (talk) 16:15, 20 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was Delete. Tim Vickers (talk) 18:42, 29 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Brian Boru Irish Pipe Band[edit]

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non notable, uncited band article. SGGH speak! 18:01, 13 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was Keep, any future merge proposal is an editorial matter. (non-admin close) RMHED (talk) 15:17, 24 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Meditation therapy[edit]

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Recently de-spammed, with many issues tagged and uncorrected, this page appears to add nothing to wiki since meditation as therapy is just meditation. I suggest relinking all links to "meditation" Redheylin (talk) 02:58, 13 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was Speedy keep per WP:SNOW, non-admin closure. Ten Pound Hammer and his otters • (Broken clamshells•Otter chirps) 01:31, 20 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Piczo[edit]

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Not notable, no sources exist, probably an advertisement LightSpeed (talk) 03:01, 19 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Keep While not as popular as Myspace, reasonably popular; gets 25 Google news results, which is pretty decent for a website. An Alexa traffic rating of 634 isn't that shabby either. this CNN article mentions it in the same sentence with Bebo, LinkedIn, and Tagged.OhNoitsJamie Talk 03:32, 19 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was delete. Shereth 19:00, 24 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Cyberclash[edit]

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Never released video game...the article consists of a plot summary and what appears to be ad copy for the non existent game. Fails WP:NOTE LegoTech·(t)·(c) 02:42, 19 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was Speedied G6, non-admin close. ukexpat (talk) 02:05, 19 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Expected films[edit]

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Contested Speedy as nonsense. By the letter of the law, is not a G1, I suppose. Delete as WP:OR type essay. At best userfy as an essay. Cheers, Dlohcierekim 01:55, 19 June 2008 (UTC). Dlohcierekim 01:55, 19 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]


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The result was delete. Will re-direct to Tetherball#swingball as a potential search term. Shereth 18:58, 24 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Swing-ball[edit]

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Alleged new sport. Fractionally better than MADEUP - they have created a website. But not (yet) notable. — RHaworth (Talk | contribs) 01:20, 19 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was Keep (non-admin close). RMHED (talk) 15:11, 24 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Nashua-Plainfield High School[edit]

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High school whose article has no content other than a "directory listing", with no notability asserted. WP:NOTABILITY applies to school's articles too. Calvin 1998 (t-c) 00:38, 19 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

A comment about this "RS coverage", out of the 10 returns in all the archives (as a comparison, my middle school returns 377 results [21], and out of those 10, only about 4 are really actually about the school itself, the rest are either not about the school at all or about someone who had attended the school. Calvin 1998 (t-c) 15:57, 19 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]
My middle school was lame. I don't disagree re: notability but when was the last time a high school got deleted at AfD. It's one of those semi-inherent notability, just like school districts where if it were another topic, it might get deleted. TravellingCarithe Busy Bee 16:38, 19 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]
As a BTW, I think that the sources available for Jane Lathrop Stanford Middle School would support it being broken out again. Since it was merged, a significant controversy has been added to its section in the district article and there is another here. Going back to Travellingcari's point, there are many categories of pages that are considered notable even if not strictly 'inherently notable' and these include: inhabited places, numbered highways, railway stations, airports, fauna and flora, peers of the realm, high court judges and many others. This approach is adopted to avoid jumping through the same hoops each time. TerriersFan (talk) 17:32, 19 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was delete. Shereth 18:57, 24 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Alison Mawhinney[edit]

Alison Mawhinney (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) (delete) – (View AfD)

Non-notable academic. No evidence is presented that this academic rises above others of her discipline or specialty. Article mentions that she has presented a paper at a symposium and published an article, but there's nothing inherently notable about either, no was any notable action taken as a result of either. This seems like a bit of a vanity article, though I'm far from certain that's the case. Relevant Google hits are few, and Google Scholar returns are also few and not particularly noteworthy. (Contested speedy and PROD.) - Realkyhick (Talk to me) 00:33, 19 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Additional reason added for keeping: I have added Mawhinney's publications to her article - can you re-review? Thanks. Rotund, but sweet (talk) 12:12, 20 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]
I had seen them. Three journal articles is a good definition of "inadequate" unless they become very highly cited. At this point, Google Scholar doesn't show any citation, but if you can find anything significant (say over 20 journal citations, or citations in really major appellate cases) in the legal indexes, please add the information. They're still new, so she may become notable in the future.DGG (talk) 12:42, 20 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Have to agree with DGG. There's a difference between having scholarly articles published and meeting the standards set by ACADEMIC. Townlake (talk) 20:10, 20 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was delete. Shereth 18:56, 24 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Insatiable (film)[edit]

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Not notable L is for Lover (talk) 00:15, 19 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. Shereth 18:54, 24 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Silver Leaf Tea Company[edit]

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Contested prod, fails WP:CORP, no independent third party sources located indicating notability. Montco (talk) 03:34, 19 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

speedy declined indicates some possible importance as large scale supplierDGG (talk) 15:19, 19 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was nomination withdrawn. PhilKnight (talk) 15:30, 19 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Engkanto[edit]

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Notability concerns - lack of coverage in reliable sources independent of the subject. PhilKnight (talk) 12:54, 19 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Any visitor to the Philippines willing to spend a little time each day to watch local television, read newspapers and comics, catch a movie or live with a family will soon come to be aware of stories about sorcery and witchcraft (kulam), of blood-sucking flying bats (aswáng and manananggal), dwarves and elves (duwende), spirits that enchant the unwary such as the engkanto and tikbalang, ancestral spirits (anito), as well as the pervasive use of creolised prayers that combine Tagálog, Spanish and Latin (orasyón) and amulets (antíng-antíng) through which to guard against the mischief or possible malevolence of these alleged super-natural agents or for the accumulation of spiritual power and potency (kapangyarihan). These kinds of beliefs and associated practices sit beside popular christianised practices of healing and pilgrimage as well as more ‘exotic’ practices such as self-flagellation and crucifixion...
The engkanto are spirits whose domain of specialisation and modus operandi is the seduction and then possession of human subjects. The results of seduction and possession amount to a diminution of the self and the erasing of physical and mental individuality such that the one possessed can no longer be recognised. Typical symptoms of seduction and possession include conversing with invisible others, becoming stiff and going into a trance-like state, getting lost in the woods, acting violently towards family members and friends and memory loss.
Tagálog healers claim that the self consists of seven aspects that must remain bound together if the integrity and identity of the self is to be maintained. Seduction and possession by an engkanto leads to the separation or loss or calling away of one or more of these aspects or strands of the non-material aspects of the self. Vulnerability to loss of identity resonates with local uses of amulets (antíng-antíng) that render the wearer invulnerable to either physical or spiritual harm. However, vulnerability to seduction also resonates with the complex history of a country that since 1565 has been subject to Western influence and which, in more recent years, has made its most profitable export its own population who work the globe as seamen, dancers, hostesses, nannies, nurses, carers and teachers. Starczamora (talk) 14:34, 19 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]


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The result was Keep (non-admin closure) - subject of the article is notable. - DiligentTerrier (and friends)17:45, 21 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

SMK King George V[edit]

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A common school that has no point of interest. Nothing special apparently. No whatsoever stark acheivement that may amaze.

Page aren't taken cared of. Historical details are still very unclear with little historical evidence. Perhaps a lie. Still very confusing and uses low resolution pictures depicting a usual activity in a regular educational institution. It's just an another school in seremban. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Nicklesputter (talk • contribs) 17:21, 19 June 2008
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The result was Delete. Not notable at the moment. Malinaccier (talk) 22:36, 24 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Alfredo Parra[edit]

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Non notable actor, claim to fame is a future envent. Speedy removed by article's creator, so brought here for debate. Richhoncho (talk) 19:10, 19 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

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