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The result was soft redirect to Vehicle Identification Numbers (VIN codes)/Ford/VIN Codes. Phoenix-wiki 22:52, 4 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

List of Ford VIN codes[edit]

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Successful creation of a Wikibook that incorporates this topic (and many other VIN Code topics), and this article doesn't adhere to Wikipedia policies EvanCarroll (talk) 18:09, 23 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

This article was recently proposed for W:AFD, however in light of new information - predominately the successful ((prod)) of all ten other VIN Code articles from Wikipedia: I feel this should be resubmitted for deletion citing consistency. The new book b:Vehicle Identification Numbers (VIN codes) incorporates and unifies all of the jarringly unfitting, tabular, un-cited information that previously resided on wikipedia. The wikibooks's chapter navigation is a superior form of navigation for this, that wikipedia requires excessive work to achive.

Furthermore, the articles are currently forked on both projects, so one should preside over the other. There are other problems with this article, that make it a bad candidate for wikipedia. When I use the term bad candidate, I do so signifying that even if the Wikibooks article will not be seen as a replacement, this still does not have suffice requirements for inclusion into WP.

And lastly, the wikibook article, b:Vehicle Identification Numbers (VIN codes)/Ford/VIN Codes has better formatting of the content. Thanks to additions by User:Random832.

User:Corey Salzano is the obvious candidate to oppose such deletion. He will be canvassed soon after posting.


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The result was keep. Wizardman 17:13, 5 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Quinton Hoover[edit]

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Recreated speedy; less obvious now, but I still don't beleive the notability concerns have been addressed. Additionally, the article has no independent sources. — Coren (talk) 16:40, 23 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]


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The result was delete, but since the content has been merged, we need to preserve history. Therefore, redirect. Cool Hand Luke 00:26, 6 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

History of the Queensland state rugby league team[edit]

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I think the article could be adaquetly summarised in Queensland state rugby league team, if it isn't already. — Dihydrogen Monoxide 23:49, 29 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was Delete --JForget 00:52, 31 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Dirty Pirate[edit]

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Prod removed, so here we are. WP:MADEUP alledged cocktail. Shawis (talk) 23:40, 29 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was Speedy Delete by User:Jerry --JForget 00:55, 31 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Revista Prego[edit]

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It's a blog. It fails WP:WEB SilkTork *SilkyTalk 23:37, 29 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was Delete --JForget 00:56, 31 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Murilo Polese[edit]

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not notable, possibly fake <KF> 23:28, 29 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

from Talk:Murilo Polese:

He is a writer fro the magazine. I'm planning on writing an article for the magazine too. Denis (talk) 14:58, 29 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

So let me repeat my question here: How can an 18 year-old person (Murilo Polese, born Vitória, April 14, 1989) be a "teacher and physician"? <KF> 15:06, 29 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Well, yeah... He is a teacher for a public school and a phisycian for the Federal University of Espírito Santo.

Sorry, I don't understand this. A physician is a medical practitioner, and it takes quite a number of years after finishing school to become one. The same, as far as I know, applies to teachers. <KF> 15:18, 29 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Excuse my bad english, he is actually a physicists. He does research in the University and teaches physics. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Denismaco (talkcontribs) 15:29, 29 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

In light of this, I have declined the speedy. If an editor would still like to see it deleted, please take it to AfD. --lifebaka (Talk - Contribs) 17:19, 29 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
In light of what, if I may ask? The claim that an 18 year-old is a researcher and teacher in physics at the Federal University of Espírito Santo? Sounds more like a freshman to me. <KF> 23:08, 29 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was delete. Kafziel Talk 22:23, 3 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Kevin Wu[edit]

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I didn’t want to be the one to do this when there is so much else on Wikipedia to be improved, but still, here we are. This is the second time this article has been nominated for deletion, the last time being around 5 months ago. Now, since then Kevin Wu has had a major increase in his number of subscribers/position is the “Most Subscribed” section of YouTube, but other than that, the general problem with the article remains, in that are no reliable published secondary sources o establish notability. There are references, but all of these are either primary sources or blogs, which alone do not satisfy the notability criteria.

It has, in the first deletion discussion, been addressed that according to the notability guidelines for entertainers, if an entertainer has a large fan base or significant “cult” following, he may be considered notable. That being said, the only evidence we would have to judge if he has a “cult” following would be his number of subscribers which, although it has doubled since the last nomination, is currently just under a hundred thousand. Now, there has been and still is a good deal of doubt surrounding whether YouTube subscribers can be used as evidence of anything. Generally, the idea behind a YouTube subscription number is this: Anyone who is a significant “fan” or supporter of a person probably is subscribed to that person, but at the same time, not everyone who subscribes is a major “fan” or supporter. Even if we were to assume that he does indeed have a following of a hundred thousand people, that’s hardly a significant, or “cult” following at all. For an internet personality, he actually has relatively little demonstrable name recognition outside of YouTube, even throughout other parts of the internet, and as far as I can see it, being relatively popular on YouTube and on YouTube alone is not enough to establish notability. Calgary (talk) 23:19, 29 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. Unsourced, unverifiable, WP:CRYSTAL. Kafziel Talk 22:27, 3 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Worth Your While[edit]

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Appears to be a violation of WP:CRYSTAL. Completely unreferenced and contains numerous unsourced claims. As far as I am able to discern using Google, only the title has been confirmed at this point. If the article were to be trimmed back to include only what is verifiable, it would only consist of a single sentence. A single line in the Sterling Simms article would serve the same purpose. Kurt Shaped Box (talk) 23:15, 29 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was Speedy close. Let's finish the FIRST discussion first. --Blanchardb-MeMyEarsMyMouth-timed 23:12, 29 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Michael Babula[edit]

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Contested speedy delete; tagged for notability concerns. Keilana(recall) 22:58, 29 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. No improvements made to the article, no sources found, and no compelling arguments in favor of keeping it. Kafziel Talk 22:30, 3 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Bogerurk[edit]

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Game of unasserted notability. Delete. Blanchardb-MeMyEarsMyMouth-timed 22:47, 29 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was keep. --Stormie (talk) 14:00, 5 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Peter Wynne-Thomas[edit]

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Delete. No verifiable sources, breach of WP:BIO and WP:RS especially as the ACS self-publishes its members' work; article reads like he is a dedicated committeeman (as member of a group, not notable) who gets his work published by his group; nothing to say that his work has any real importance or notability; nothing to conclude that ACS should be exempted from WP:RS's publication requirements BlackJack | talk page 21:24, 29 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Comment. A fair point but I only introduced the article as a stub based on what someone else told me (never a good basis) and it has not really developed. I have doubts about its compliance with WP:RS in particular but you have done some useful research and things are looking better for the article now.
  • Comment. By that logic nearly all articles in Wikipedia would have to go. Anything to do with sport, culture, religion and many other subject areas are "only popular in some parts of the World". Phil Bridger (talk) 12:12, 30 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Interesting idea Masterpiece 2000. Obviously, by the same token, all the articles on American Football, Ice Hockey and Baseball would have to go first as cricket is played and watched by far more people than these minority sports. I daresay Sachin Tendulkar is a bit more famous than most Governors of Connecticut too, so I look forward to your AfD nominations of all those articles. As this is the English language wikipedia, and given cricket's history in the English speaking world, I think it's a notable subject, heck even some sociologists have written about it. Nick mallory (talk) 12:49, 30 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Comment. Although I recommended deletion, I would rather that Masterpiece2000 withdrew his vote, quite frankly. If we are going to vote then lets vote on the basis of sound, valid and logical reasons. --BlackJack | talk page 13:31, 30 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Comment. It is no good just saying that he has done this and done that. That was the mistake I made originally (see above). The bottom line here is that the article must comply with WP:RS in particular. --BlackJack | talk page 11:12, 30 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
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Michael Babula[edit]

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The result was Speedy Deleted per WP:CSD#A7 as not notable if it was even true, which it isn't so per WP:CSD#G1 as well. Pedro :  Chat  22:06, 29 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

General Motors Diet[edit]

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Absolutely no notability as far as I can see. No sources or references quoted. No substantive edits other than by the author. CultureDrone (talk) 21:09, 29 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. I considered a merge, as suggested by some commenters, but frankly, it's impossible to tell what information in the article is reliable, due to multiple anonymous editors doing things like changing the name of the forum's creator. Recommend that if someone is genuinely keen, they start a fresh (sourced) section in Tippmann. --Stormie (talk) 14:09, 5 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Tippmann Forum[edit]

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It's now a full year that this has been floating around with no attempt made to address the notability concerns raised at the time (see the talk page). While a lot of work seems to have gone into this, I really can't see how it warrants keeping as anything other than a one-paragraph mention on Tippmann; this seems to be the very model of an acorn of an unsourced stub that's been allowed to grow into a mighty oak of original research with a dash of how-to guide and social networking on the side. However, in light of the talkpage debate, the alleged 35,000 members, and most significantly the amount of work that's gone into it by multiple editors who don't appear to have seen anything wrong with it, I don't want to just shove this into the mulcher without a proper debate. Anyone who thinks this is salvageable, speak now... iridescent 20:51, 29 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was Keep. Non-admin closure.  Ravenswing  09:49, 6 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Adelphi Hotel[edit]

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Fails to establish context (A1), provide content (A3), or to establish notability (A7) ColdmachineTalk 20:22, 29 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was keep, but under the condition that it is substantially rewritten to conform to WP:MOS within a reasonable span of time. Sandstein (talk) 12:19, 4 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

CIA Activities by Transnational Topic: Arms Control, WMD, and Proliferation[edit]

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What on earth is this? Certainly, its prose is coherent and many of its assertions have references, but it appears not to be an especially encyclopedic topic, at least in current form. It sounds a lot more like a policy analysis than an encyclopedia article. Thus, per WP:NOT and perhaps WP:COATRACK, it should be deleted, and we should also investigate the other 9 articles linked at the top. Exhaustively chronicling every move the CIA makes seems outside our scope. Biruitorul (talk) 20:21, 29 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

It is a work in progress to document what actual activities have taken place, in support of policies that have been ordered by Congress and the White House, as opposed to the model of an organization dedicated to nothing but regime change. You mention that the prose is coherent and there is sourcing, and indeed there may be superfluous detail. Finding that excessive detail would seem the purpose of consensus-based editing.
There is certainly a balance of detail to be struck, but these articles are a starting point to finding NPOV over what had been, in the single extremely long article, to have large numbers of unsourced allegations about covert action. This is not an attempt to cover everything the Agency has done, but, in part, these are descriptions of Congressional requirements for production of documents.
Why not consider discussing the subject, by assuming good faith, rather than immediately calling for deletion? I am certainly open to constructive criticism, but the previous single article had distinct difficulties I was attempting to balance. In addition, an Intelligence task force has been established within the Military History project, and these things certainly are intended to get input.Howard C. Berkowitz (talk) 21:32, 29 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
All well and good, and I agree that not all the information here is throwaway material. However, articles must adhere to WP:SYN and WP:NOR, and this appears to cross those lines. Before having a Wikipedia article on a subject, we must also document its third-party existence as a discrete subject of investigation rather than as something an editor (you, in this case) cobbled together from disparate sources to create a new entity. No evidence has been adduced demonstrating that to be the case. Biruitorul (talk) 23:10, 29 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
That's it in a nutshell, for me. No discrete subject. There's a lot of no-doubt useful stuff here, which may need to be merged into various articles. But as the CIA needs to be active and watchful on just about everything, that doesn't mean we should be carving the world into orange-slice-like survey articles commenting on a vast range of topics because they are ""CIA Activities" -- does it? Shawn in Montreal (talk) 23:17, 29 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
And BTW, if these articles do get retained, "CIA Forecasts on..." would be a much more comprehensible title. Shawn in Montreal (talk) 00:21, 30 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]


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The result was Speedy Keep per debate and fixing up of the article by other editors. No point continuing this thread. Pedro :  Chat  22:11, 29 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Tourism in Japan[edit]

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WP:NOT a travel guide. Calliopejen1 (talk) 20:11, 29 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

keep, and what's your justification for wanting to delete a whole series? Chris (クリス) (talk) 20:57, 29 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was Delete --JForget 00:58, 31 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Jessica Pacheco Calvente[edit]

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Article was nominated for deletion on 2004 (see talk page). The subject does not meet Wikiedpai's notability criteria since there has not been "significant coverage in reliable sources". Joelito (talk) 20:09, 29 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was Speedy keep. Non admin closure. NAHID 14:59, 30 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Tourism in Tokyo[edit]

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WP:NOT a travel guide. I imagine that this only duplicates content existing elsewhere, but maybe some of it could be moved to Festivals in Tokyo, for instance Calliopejen1 (talk) 20:09, 29 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

  • This article isn't much of a travel guide. Competence -- or lack thereof -- isn't the issue, intent is: a listing of tourist spots in Tokyo, ergo it's a travel guide. --Calton | Talk 13:29, 30 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
keep per Quasirandom. Chris (クリス) (talk) 20:59, 29 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Because Wikikpedia ISN'T a travel guide, which this article actually is? --Calton | Talk 13:29, 30 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was Delete --JForget 01:00, 31 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Kristina Behr[edit]

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A source noting Kristina Behr's role as a reporter has been cited. If you want to take the song reference away, fine, but I would hope you won't delete the entire entry. Christopherbailey (talk) 12:19, 28 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

No sources for that Kristina Behr is a reporter. Even if there is a reporter named Kristina Behr, there must be proof that she is the Kristina from the song. BrainOnSka (talk) 18:32, 23 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]


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The result was delete. Wizardman 17:18, 5 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Boogie Allen[edit]

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(contested prod) College football player that hasn't received significant (if any) media coverage. Fails WP:BIO. brewcrewer (yada, yada) 18:27, 23 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Keep He saved a game with a recovered onside kick (which did recieve media coverage), has two key interceptions, and will be the starting safety next season. The article will be recreated by me once the season begins anyways. John (talk) 20:51, 24 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was Delete --JForget 01:02, 31 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Fdtv[edit]

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This article is crap, because it fails to explain precisely and clearly what its subject matter is in the way that all Wikipedia articles should begin. There's a claim to notability but I can't verify it. There are sources but I'm not sure if they're reliable. Was previously deleted at the title FDTV. I don't know what to do with this - AfD is not cleanup, but I have serious notability doubts here too. h i s s p a c e r e s e a r c h 18:26, 23 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]


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The result was Delete. The Placebo Effect (talk) 04:36, 2 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Shanna Crooks[edit]

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Not notable yet, biggest claim to notability is guest vocals on a couple Avenged Sevenfold songs and a guest spot in a few Big & Rich tours. Only links are official site and MySpace; no reliable sources could be found. Ten Pound Hammer and his otters • (Broken clamshellsOtter chirps) 17:30, 23 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]


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Maybe it's not reliable, but it asserts notability. The live performances should be verifiable.--Michig (talk) 20:52, 29 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Point. Still fails WP:V, though. --lifebaka (Talk - Contribs) 01:31, 30 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
I can't find much in the way of independent coverage, however, so maybe this should go until her Atlantic Records album comes out, when no doubt the major-label promotion machine will generate plenty of coverage.--Michig (talk) 20:59, 29 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]


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The result was Keep. This entry satisfies WP:BIO. NAHID 15:03, 30 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

James Baird (footballer)[edit]

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It is apparent that the article was written by the subject. It is about a footballer that appears to have failed to make the grade at any club he has joined. There is no element of notability about this subject at all, unless the mere fact of being a pro-sportsman makes you notable which is palpably ridiculous. Paste (talk) 16:03, 29 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete.--Kubigula (talk) 05:36, 4 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

List of Sims 2 Machinima Series[edit]

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so far as I have checked there is only one (maybe two) sims machina products that are notable. This list seems like (intented to be or not) its just a coatrack to hang less than notable machinima series on. Oni Ookami AlfadorTalk|@ 18:53, 29 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]


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Warrior's Refuge

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The result was Keep. A current Amazon bestseller in several categories is persuasive even beyond the consensus. Non-admin closure.  RGTraynor  09:54, 6 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

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Nothing in here to suggest notability for this. The only source is the Amazon page. 80% of the article is a plot summary. I say delete unless notability can be proven through reliable sources. Metros (talk) 18:34, 29 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]


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The result was delete hbdragon88 (talk) 02:49, 28 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Warrior's Return[edit]

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This was previously deleted as an expired prod. It was recreated today and tagged as speedy deletion as little or no context. I'm bringing this here since, A. there is some context here and B. it was once deleted through prod. In my opinion, there is no telling if this book will or will not be notable. There is nothing known about it really except a small plot overview, a conjecture as to who might be in the book, and a possible release date 5 months from now. I say delete now with no prejudice to recreation in the future when notability is gained. Metros (talk) 18:23, 29 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I got my info from the Warrior's Refuge page and the Warriors (Novel Series) page. Shapiros10 (talk) 18:59, 29 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

It's a separate arm of a best selling series, so i would still think that counts. Shapiros10 (talk) 19:01, 29 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I beg to differ. The way these books are selling, every book deserves a page. Shapiros10 (talk) 00:41, 30 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

What if the info on Wikipedia that I used was originally from a non-wiki source? Shapiros10 (talk) 19:20, 30 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]


No!!! Do Not delete this page you melonheads!!!! I've talked to the person who drew the pictures in it!!! (JLBarry) He comfirms this book is Real!!!

~Fp of W&W~ —Preceding unsigned comment added by 208.100.129.13 (talk) 22:44, 19 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]


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The result was Speedily deleted per criterion A7. Keilana(recall) 21:20, 29 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Andy Clift[edit]

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Non-notable student who was once in a band (No.1 Defender - also up for deletion) and has made a (non-notable) movie. Lugnuts (talk) 18:17, 29 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]


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The result was Speedily deleted per criterion A7. Keilana(recall) 21:21, 29 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

No.1 Defender[edit]

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Non-notable band. Only incoming link is for Andy Clift (article also nom. for deletion) who seems to be some non-notable student. Lugnuts (talk) 18:15, 29 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]


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The result was delete. Kubigula (talk) 05:38, 4 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Virginia scots guards[edit]

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Musical group founded just this year. No claim in article of meeting WP:Notability or WP:MUSIC; gsearch only comes up with band's own web site. Contested prod. Fabrictramp (talk) 17:50, 29 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]


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The result was delete. A redirect to Remote viewing or Stargate Project is possible. Sandstein (talk) 12:37, 4 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Pat Price (remote viewer)[edit]

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There are virtually no sources on this person, most of it has been tagged as unsourced since August, we don't even know when he was born, all we know is that he once took part in a project that is the focus of some determined POV-pushing. A smerge and redirect would be OK, but I see no support for an independent article on someone where the only facts are in relation to his participation in a not terribly important (and rather implausible) project on which we already have an article. Guy (Help!) 17:47, 29 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

  • Er, no, the article is essentially unchanged, and there are no sources other than in respect of participation in a project. Notability is not inherited. Guy (Help!) 13:07, 31 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
The entry remains largely unchanged because it did not need changing, only sourcing. This is a stub, a single source will do. As for notability, the man made claims which are notable for their extraordinary nature and because the CIA took them seriously, at least for a while. He's part of the popular culture surrounding remote viewing. You might not have heard of him, put Price is famous/infamous as being the man who drew those sketches of cranes/lifting gantries that were supposed to be in Soviet facilities. How about I just list books that discuss him or his work. How many do you need to assert notability in popular culture/conspiracy beliefs?

perfectblue (talk) 20:35, 31 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I also would like to note that plausibility has never been a Wikipedia criteria. It's perfectly permissible to have a page about something that turned out to be a complete and utter hoax, or the ramblings of a lunatic. It's notability that counts and the fact that the CIA took him seriously and so many people are still discussing whether he was real/fake grant him this in full. Does anybody remember those sketches of gantries/cranes that get trotted out whenever believers/skeptics talk about remote viewing? Well, it was Price who drew them. Given the number of documentaries that they appear in, he's certainly notable. - perfectblue (talk) 20:59, 31 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Comment. I am rather concerned about the comments being made on this page.

Guy: You're comments about Project Stargate are treading on WP:AFG, what may or may not have happened there has no bearing on these proceedings and cold be construed as an attempt to color people against this page by association. It is inappropriate to make such remarks on an AFD and such reasoning is not supported under current AFD policy. Temperal: Per norm is not a Wikipedia policy. What, exactly, is your reasoning? Masterpiece2000: There is no Wikipedia policy by that name, plus Wikipedia regs permit hoaxes, frauds and popular myths. Even if this man is a complete fraud and a fake, he still has notability which gives allows him to have a page here.

perfectblue (talk) 08:19, 31 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

WP:Lawyer does not apply in this case as I am commenting on participation in the AFD process, not looking for loopholes in the process. As it stands this AFD risks being brushed over.
An AFD is a debate, not a vote and the above user's risk having their views discounted. for example, Masterpiece2000 expresses a dislike for the entry, but gives no reasons for its deletion. An admin could legitimately take this as being an "I don't like it" argument, and ignore it for the purposes of the debate. Similarly Temperal does not offer any actual reasons of opinion or of policy. How is an admin meant to determine anything from Per Norm?. - perfectblue (talk) 20:59, 31 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Admins will be well aware that "per nom" means an endorsement of the deletion rationale advanced by the nominator. Guy (Help!) 11:47, 1 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]
You could drop either a note on their talk page and ask them to clarify or expand on their rationales, I am sure they won't mind. — BillC talk 11:58, 1 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]


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The result was delete.--Kubigula (talk) 05:42, 4 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Okinawa Coral[edit]

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This article is yet another pov fork of Coral calcium, started without any discussion. The entire article is dubious at this point, poorly referenced, with unverifiable if not inaccurate claims. Editors are already edit-warring over tags in the article. Ronz (talk) 17:38, 29 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

See Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Coral Calcium Claims and Wikipedia:Administrators'_noticeboard/IncidentArchive343#User:Magnonimous.2F24.36.201.161 --Ronz (talk) 17:41, 29 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]


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The result was delete. Wizardman 17:22, 5 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Rhys Williams (footballer)[edit]

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This article was deleted just yesterday after a PROD. The player's situation has not changed since then, and the current article makes no decent claim for this player's notability. – PeeJay 17:23, 29 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]


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The result was delete.--Kubigula (talk) 05:44, 4 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Prody Parrot[edit]

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No assertion of notability, but this is outside the narrow scope of WP:CSD#A7. Delete. Blanchardb-MeMyEarsMyMouth-timed 17:23, 29 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]


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The result was Redirect to Kikokushijo Academy. --Stormie (talk) 14:26, 5 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

R.A.T.E.[edit]

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Non-notable standardized test Ebenacea (talk) 16:52, 29 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was no consensus - default to Keep (non-admin closure). D.M.N. (talk) 12:49, 6 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Big White Taxi Service[edit]

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Highly POV article, contains uncited and possibly libellous allegations against police. The article is about a made-up term used on a discussion forum. Contested prod. Lurker (said · done) 16:42, 29 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Speedy Delete A nothing article. It's about a phrase and a forum. The phrase isn't worthy of inclusion while the forum is a forum like any other. If this article is kept, then it needs restructuring and will be end up as

The Big White Taxi Service is an online community by London Ambulance Service staff in the United Kingdom during 1999

And that will be that, never to be expanded upon. Whitstable (talk) 17:13, 29 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Keep - It is evidently of interest to users of the forum. Seems to have been edited to remove libellous content.

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The result was Speedily deleted under criterion A7. Keilana(recall) 21:06, 29 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Kyle Johnson, Dancer[edit]

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Properly formatted article with what appear to be references, but which do not link to sources mentioning the subject. Insufficient evidence of notability. Kim Dent-Brown (Talk) 15:58, 29 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]


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The result wasKeep JERRY talk contribs 01:27, 7 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Guy Aoki[edit]

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This articles asserts notability and has references, however whether that notability is sufficient is questionable. He is notable seemingly for one reason: an AP interview on one specific one time topic. I see no other notability outside of a response to someone else' comment. Being a writer/reporter alone is not notable. JodyB talk 15:27, 29 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. John254 16:25, 29 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Armenian jokes[edit]

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It is believed that this article constitutes original research. John254 15:26, 29 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was speedy delete - A7. --Michael Greiner 16:52, 29 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Blackpoliticsontheweb.com[edit]

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Non-notable website, alexa ranking of about 4 million, no reliable sources on this so doesn't meet Wikipedia:Verifiability Xyzzyplugh (talk) 15:23, 29 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was Keep --JForget 01:04, 31 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Common Weeds of Queensland[edit]

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Wikipedia is not a directory. Harland1 (t/c) 15:11, 29 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Keep, at least for the time being (until it has been wikified): The article does not seem to be part of a "directory" at all. The title should be changed to Common weeds of Queensland though. <KF> 15:16, 29 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was delete. Addhoc (talk) 14:48, 6 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

W. Dan Hausel[edit]

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Apparent copyvio problems and probably WP:COI of some type up to and including possible entry of subject bio by subject or associate. See talk page for details. ΨνPsinu 14:49, 29 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]


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The result was No consensus (trending towards "keep" anyway) — Caknuck (talk) 20:02, 6 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Lokata[edit]

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References[edit]

  1. ^ http://books.google.com/books?id=IKgoAAAAMAAJ&dq=%22lokata%22+radar&q=%22lokata%22+radar+exocet&pgis=1#search
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The result was Speedy delete A7 No Notability Asserted by AndonicO (talk · contribs · blocks · protections · deletions · page moves · rights · RfA). Non-admin closure. --Blanchardb-MeMyEarsMyMouth-timed 15:58, 29 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

GameWorld[edit]

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I think this article fails the notability criteria. Also, the article is unsourced (though that can probably be fixed). · AndonicO Talk 14:56, 29 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. Addhoc (talk) 15:05, 6 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Motorola Modding[edit]

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A long dicdef, but still a dicdef. Delete. Blanchardb-MeMyEarsMyMouth-timed 14:54, 29 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Do Not DeleteDoes not give howto instructions, just a guideline for whats available. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Prybar00 (talkcontribs) 14:00, December 30, 2007 (UTC)

Do Not DeleteComment — Preceding unsigned comment added by Prybar00 (talkcontribs) 14:00, December 30, 2007 (UTC)

Do Not DeleteComment You may find this hard to believe, not everyone who reads wikipedia has a Masters in English. Allow me to state again, that my goal was just to start the ball, then hoping the community would help out and we could make it grow, obivously the Wiki community picks and chooses what it's interested in. Nice though, remaining objective, but still using a term like obscene to condescend on my writing style. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Prybar00 (talkcontribs) 13:53, December 30, 2007 (UTC)

Do Not DeleteComment - After reading and re-reading, i'm pretty sure i didn't include explicit instructions on modding, did i mention step by step what needs to be done? I give a vague outlien, and perhaps i could have written it a little better, but was hoping to just get the ball rolling and let some community people help out with it. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Prybar00 (talkcontribs) 13:53, December 30, 2007 (UTC)

Do Not DeleteComment - why is everyone here so high and mighty? it doesn't interest you so it doesn't belong. is that it? what is an encyclopedia if not an explanation of what things are. this explains what motorola modding is. and it's a huge community. just do a web search. millions of people involved. i fail to see how it doesn't have the right to have an entry. -- miketheevil1 —Preceding unsigned comment added by Miketheevil1 (talkcontribs) 22:24, 29 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

--a reply to above comment. this is not a how-to guide. believe me. there is more to it than that. this wiki only explains what it is, not how it's done.Miketheevil1 (talk) 22:30, 29 December 2007 (UTC)miketheevil1[reply]


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The result was delete. --Stormie (talk) 14:29, 5 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Wilderness Updates - Runescape[edit]

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At first, I thought this article should be merged with Runescape, but the "riot" it talks about is unsourced, and this material may not be relevant even to the Runescape universe. Neutral, but leaning towards delete. Blanchardb-MeMyEarsMyMouth-timed 14:48, 29 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was Speedy delete as copyvio. Hut 8.5 17:36, 29 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Hunter ice festival[edit]

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No asserted notability for this event. This article only speels out the circumstances under which the event is held. Delete. Blanchardb-MeMyEarsMyMouth-timed 14:24, 29 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Keep. The article is certainly not very well written, does not conform to Wiki style and the one and only reference at the bottom does not really give enough information to make it properly verifiable. It is badly in need of the attention of a good editor. Nevertheless, it is not devoid of encyclopaedic substance and I actually found it interesting. I think that mostly it does not read well because the editors have largely been french speakers. It could be hugely improved if an english speaking editor were to go over it. This is not grounds for deletion. A quick (not very thorough) read through left me with the opinion that the only obvious part deserving of deletion is the penultimate sentence which could be construed as spam for a brand of icecream. Spinningspark (talk) 14:51, 29 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]


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The result was delete. Sandstein (talk) 10:24, 6 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Yvonne Foong[edit]

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Nominated for AfD by 203.184.43.210. Deletion proposed by Earth with reason "am not convinced that the person warrants an article in Wikipedia. Anybody wanna try to convince me otherwise?" on 2nd December. This is a procedural nomination - my opinion is Neutral. Tevildo (talk) 14:39, 29 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]


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The result was delete. Wizardman 17:17, 5 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Laura De Castro[edit]

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No obvious claim to notability - unless the Federation of College Democrats is a major organisation. No references given, no sources cited, speculative comments made. No substantive edits made other than by the author. Personally, I can't see any reason to keep this article. CultureDrone (talk) 13:21, 29 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]


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The result was Snowball keep. There is consensus that the article needs expansion, not deletion. Non-admin closure. --Blanchardb-MeMyEarsMyMouth-timed 14:31, 29 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Al Karmah[edit]

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Entire article is smaller than a sentence Sydney Know It Alltalk 12:58, 29 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was Speedy close, deleted per: BLP poor sources calling people essentially freaks. 1 != 2 17:28, 29 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

List of real "Superhumans"[edit]

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List of people with "superhuman" abilities. Unfortunately, defining "superhuman" is rather subjective, and as such placing any entry on this list would imply a POV. Lankiveil (talk) 12:51, 29 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]


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The result was Deleted speedily as vandalism. Dlohcierekim 14:01, 29 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

The War of the Worlds (2008 film)[edit]

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Silly hoax: IMDB links are to film of The Wind in the Willows. Prod removed by anonymous IP editor. Kim Dent-Brown (Talk) 12:33, 29 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]


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The result was keep, though if someone wants to begin a discussion on merging, I'm fine with that. Wizardman 19:58, 6 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Community first responder[edit]

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Unreferenced and Non notable community. Written like essay. NAHID 12:18, 29 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]


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The result was keep. Sandstein (talk) 10:28, 6 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Charice Pempengco[edit]

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Unnotable musician. As per WP:MUSIC, this person's works doesn't merit a separate Wikipedia article. --Howard the Duck 11:32, 29 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

In addition, it seems this girl is popular on YouTube and appeared on the Ellen DeGeneres Show twice. Although at first glance she could be notable, not everyone that is popular on YouTube gets a Wikipedia article, unless the person accomplished something else prior or after YouTube fame, such as Jessica Lee Rose of lonelygirl15 fame. As for Ellen, actually these talk shows often invite no-namers to guest and perform, and if Ellen or the host liked it, they'll come back (think of it as Jerry Springer's guests who want to face off one more time).
Ergo, her "popularity" in YouTube plus her appearances in Ellen doesn't alone make her notable; not of course if she releases an album and it sells well, which she hasn't. --Howard the Duck 11:49, 29 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
The threshold is "multiple", so I'd say 3 is certainly adequate. -- Whpq (talk) 16:38, 2 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Isn't that too low a threshold? A lot of articles could've been un-deleted if we take the literal definition of "multiple" which is "more than one." My name was published in one newspaper, if I can find another one, then I can be on Wikipedia! Weeee --Howard the Duck 16:47, 2 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]
It's more than "mentioned". If you've been profiled in a couple of newspapers, then yes, maybe you should have an article. Wiki is not paper, so a low threshold for notability is fine so long as there are reliable sources with an emphasis on reliable. --- Whpq (talk) 16:59, 2 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]
If you will carefully scrutinize these news stories, it's the Asianjournal one that gives the most detail, although it is a Filipino-American media agency (ergo, not mainstream). The Philippine Daily Inquirer (a national newspaper) mentions her either in passing or via an article that looks like a press release, and as WP:MUSIC says, if the article is a "Media reprints of press releases, other publications where the musician/ensemble talks about themselves, and advertising for the musician/ensemble." then it's excluded from the "mentioned" and/or "profiled." As I've said before, several people may even have more than 50 news stories published about them, but they won't have a Wikipedia article. I don't see how this one fits the bill. On the ten possible legit references, only 2 can really be used in the article. Now if you're willing to write an article using 2 references then Wikipedia's going to the dustbins. --Howard the Duck 17:11, 2 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Well, WP:MUSIC also says, 9. won or placed in a major music competition. Now, we can of course go and argue about what is major and what is not. Personally I would consider LBS a major music competition considering the fact that it was not only one TV show but a whole series thereof. WP:MUSIC is also just a "rough" guideline and not carved in stone. Personally I believe that having had so many performances on TV does count somewhat. I mean having an article about yourself in a newspaper is one thing, but the threshold to be on national TV is a pretty high one. Santoki (talk) 21:54, 2 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]
The Inquirer article does read like a press release written by a publicist, and knowing how entertainment sections go, it reads less of a news article. As for ABS-CBN, it has a penchant for trivializing minor events in the entertainment industry and passing it off as "news", even giving it more importance than the current events (anyone who has seen TV Patrol would understand what I mean). Personally, for the entertainment news, I'd be distrustful of both the Inquirer and ABS-CBN, more so with ABS since Charisse won in an ABS-CBN-sponsored contest (for instance, why was there no mention at all from ABS's rival GMA7? How many other Philippine newspapers other than the Inquirer reported this?) Had she not been in a televised contest such as LBS, I would have said "delete", but be that as it may, I'd still go for a merge, for the foregoing reasons. --- Tito Pao (talk) 22:22, 2 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]
You can find at least two articles on GMA News TV about Charice. They didn't really write it themselves but just copied it from the Philippine Entertainment Portal. But you can find at least something on this topic on their website... --- Santoki (talk) 01:34, 4 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Contributors should then provide information from Korean news articles about Pempengco. (I can't read Korean, so I can't help you with that.) Starczamora (talk) 06:43, 4 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]
I used Google News for lots of non-American (mostly Filipino) subjects. Now if there's not enough English news media to establish notability for the English-speaking world (the Philippines is a English speaking country), then there's no chance for this to be a legit article. Even English versions of Korean stories. --Howard the Duck 08:43, 4 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]
But that does not mean we should reject news articles other than English as valid sources in English Wikipedia. Case in point, Asian Idol has an assortment of sources ranging from English to Indonesian to Vietnamese. Starczamora (talk) 08:47, 4 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]
No, but English sources are given more importance. And as long as anyone can translate from a language to English, there shouldn't be a problem, especially since there's enough English references for Asian Idol to stand alone. --Howard the Duck 08:54, 4 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]
However, there are information in Asian Idol that were sourced from non-English articles, such as SuperStar KZ's supposed participation and the partial results (both are in Indonesian) as well as Siu Black's participation as judge (which was written in Vietnamese). Also, following your argument, Vietnam Idol should also have been deleted since all of its sources are in Vietnamese. Starczamora (talk) 09:11, 4 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]
I did say "Even English versions of Korean stories" so at least English transliterations can be barely accepted. --Howard the Duck 09:18, 4 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]
So basically you're saying that a person in a non-English country who becomes famous won't have a chance to get on Wikipedia solely because there are no sources available in English? This can't really be it, no? ---Santoki (talk) 11:06, 4 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Sources in English are preferred in the English wikipedia, but not mandatory. See Wikipedia:Verifiability#Non-English sources. Note that this is official policy, and not just a guideline. -- Whpq (talk) 12:06, 4 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Yes, but an article where there can only be 10 legit refs? And I have yet to see a Korean, Swedish or Zambian news item about her. You people must be really that desperate to "save" articles... 10 legit refs? --Howard the Duck 12:25, 4 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]
I have news articles in Korean. But since you can't read those I guess you won't accept those. And we're then again at circle one. Currently there are 7 hits if I give Charice's name in Korean into the search machine. --- 00:03, 5 January 2008 (UTC) (sorry, signed my post but it didn't show my name... Santoki (talk) 00:04, 5 January 2008 (UTC))[reply]
In addition I just found an article in French about a radio show on December 1st 2007 in Switzerland on vibration fm, a local radio in the canton of Valais or Wallis. -- Santoki (talk) 00:16, 5 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]
I bet this is just like the LA Times article: "Works comprising merely trivial coverage, such as newspaper articles that simply report performance dates or the publications of contact and booking details in directories." --Howard the Duck 04:27, 5 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]
But do they end up the sole subject of an article? -- Whpq (talk) 13:42, 5 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]


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The result was Keep and Rename to Canada-Latin America relations (although if anyone does not like the new name please rename it if necessary. --JForget 01:09, 31 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Canada - Latin American Foreign Policy[edit]

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This is unencyclopedic and it sets a bad precedent. If we create articles for every nation's relations with a geographic, ethnic, or linguistic area then we'll be trying to work out disputes over vague, subjectively-defined subject matter. Jose João (talk) 11:24, 29 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was Keep --JForget 01:14, 31 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Mound, Louisiana[edit]

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The result was Speedy keep as WP:SNOW. Bduke (talk) 11:47, 29 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Egyptians 2[edit]

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Delete, How do you define Egyptians as an ethnicity, the vast majority of Egyptians are Arabs and then there are the Copts though they are slightly culturally Arabs today, maybe just linguistically or slightly culturally...How do you define modern egyptian ethnicity? Is it by stating a common descent from the ancient Egyptians, the borders for defining what was Egyptian then and what is Egyptian now aren't easily defined today? This is confusing even for me??? The Coptics and the Nubians do have acknowledged ties to the ancient Egyptians but can we overencompass the arab definition with that of acknowledging ancestral non-Egyptians, through acknowledging arab-ness where does one acknowledge ancient Egyptian ethnicity?Dom--Hisham 5ZX (talk) 10:04, 29 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was Speedy keep. —Wknight94 (talk) 02:41, 8 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Egyptians[edit]

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article is a history not a surveys of people. other users ignores talks consensus to delete and create new article, refuse to debates issue in talk pages only to revert the page.

The article needs a complete rewrite, and I think it can be done like so:

  1. Cut the History section by at least 90%. It should just be a summary type thing or sketch with a link to the main article History of Egypt A lot of websites so something similar in about 60 lines.
  2. Expand a Culture section to tell us who are really the Egyptians. For the rewrite, I recommend you look at other similar articles and then work up an outline- cusisine, music, arts etc etc and go from there.
  3. Include a "National character/How others see the Egyptians" section, like the Dutch and Swedish articles. This is very important for the Egyptians since historically they saw themselves as unique and even today do not simply consider themselves just another set of Arabs. They are a distinctive people, and that issue needs to be explored fully.
  4. Also to be considered for inclusion is at least some brief discussion on relations with other peoples surrounding Egypt like Israel. This is also important for the Egyptians have put their own distinctive stamp on that issue. The 1973 Crossing Operation for example is generally regarded with respect by most non-Egyptian military analysts, see Herzog's Arab-Israeli Wars history for example, more so than the uneven performance by many Arab armies. This is only one example of course, but in this and many other ways, the Egyptians have made their mark. This needs to be brought out on a page like this. Obscure details about the 451 Council of Chalcedon or ancient solar calendars belong elsewhere.

Consensuses: Delete areticle and rewrite totally like Dutch People or Swedes articles. Moved duplicate history section to its own article called Historical perspectives on the Egyptian people. now focus can be on egyptian people not history. Nardelli 02:22, 8 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was speedy keep, nominator withdrew his request. ~ Riana 16:30, 29 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Georgie Thompson[edit]

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She's just another journalist, making her non-notable. The only notability is FHM's list. I'm not sure if that alone makes her qualify WP:N. -xC- 09:49, 29 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was Delete --JForget 01:16, 31 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Geek Hardcore[edit]

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"Geek Hardcore", as it stands, is a neologism that supposedly describes a more progressive form of Post hardcore bands, but I've never seen the term used in any reputable music journalism, AFAIK. If there are any sources that would say otherwise, adding them to this article would probably work, but frankly, the sentence "In 2007, a Post-Hardcore fan named Tibbalz coins the genre after seeing the similarities in the music he listened too and the bands' distinctness when compared to other Post-Hardcore bands." pretty much indicates original research. I don't see much else on this article that doesn't make it an fork of the original Post hardcore article. TheLetterM (talk) 09:49, 29 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was keep. --Stormie (talk) 14:36, 5 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Accounting Hall of Fame[edit]

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Non-notable organization. Despite its grandiose name, there are no independent sources to verify the notability of this body. The article is largely a listing of red links, which the author claims will be remedied "over time." The article appears to be a coat rack on which to justify articles about its members; that is, the existence of this article justifies the existence of the others. There are a few Google hits, largely links to Ohio State pages or a few press-release type pages, nothing more. The author's tone is too promotional as well, and promotion seems to be the main purpose of the article. - Realkyhick (Talk to me) 08:43, 29 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Interesting, maybe. Notable, far from it.--Oni Ookami AlfadorTalk|@ 18:48, 29 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was delete. --Stormie (talk) 14:37, 5 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Mehdi Shafiee Ardestani[edit]

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Utterly unnotable, very few Google hits. A few articles in medline does not make a researcher or scientist notable - I have a few medline hits for myself and I'm not notable. Also, article is evidently created by Ardestani himself. Lilac Soul (talk contribs count) 08:10, 29 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was no consensus to delete, default to keep. Maybe a merger should be attempted, as suggested below. Sandstein (talk) 10:31, 6 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Ryan Delahoussaye[edit]

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Nominating for deletion -- unreferenced and not notable. --Jkp212 (talk) 07:23, 29 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

All those are very good reasons to keep an article on his band, Blue October (the "THEY" to which you keep referring) -- however, there are no sources for an article on the individual, and notability is not established. --Jkp212 (talk) 19:53, 30 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Or possibly the best thing to do is take the valuable sentence (if it is valuable), and include it in the article about the band, which is really the notable entity. I can't find any reliable sources that could help create a real BIO on this man. --Jkp212 (talk) 22:59, 3 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Just noting that user Lama Ding Dong who has contributed to this discussion is a banned user and sockpuppet. --Jkp212 (talk) 06:30, 4 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]


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The result was delete. Wizardman 20:57, 5 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Wayne L. Rubinas[edit]

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Contested prod. Former mayor of Ocala, Florida (pop. 50,000), now adjunct lecturer at Florida State University. No clear evidence of enough coverage for notability for local politicians per WP:BIO, or evidence of passing the WP:PROF test. Rigadoun (talk) 06:52, 29 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

  • comment I note that WP:N says "Major local political figures who have received significant press coverage" are notable, but "Just being an elected local official [...] does not guarantee notability". and Wikipedia:OUTCOMES#People says "Mayors of major cities have usually survived AFD, although the article should say more than just "Jane Doe is the mayor of Cityville". Mayors of smaller towns, however, are generally deemed not notable just for being mayors". Pete.Hurd (talk) 18:28, 30 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]


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The result was delete. Wizardman 00:30, 4 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Margaret Anne Brady[edit]

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Non-notable character, from a story. No assertation of notability or sourcing. Lawrence Cohen 06:33, 29 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]


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The result was merge and redirect to Creature_type#Giant. Carlosguitar (ready and willing) 03:47, 4 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Verbeeg[edit]

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I placed a prod tag on this article, and left what I thought was a gentle, educational message that it was a "Directory-like listing of non-notable fictional monster. Sources on page are drawn from within the D&D books, are as such are primary. Primary sources are good for meeting WP:V, but not for WP:N. This article would need more than one third-party source to meet notability requirements." An editor removed my tag with the following edit summary, "rmv template--i object to deletionism in general." So I must bring this article here for a debate. AnteaterZot (talk) 06:23, 29 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Merge complete. I also dislike deletionism and blind adding of templates as well, but this one can be merged. Web Warlock (talk) 19:28, 2 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Yes, it can be removed. Sorry. Busy day. Web Warlock (talk) 01:16, 3 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]
I'd simply redirect it in that case, but I don't want to do something that an admin might object to. BOZ (talk) 06:10, 3 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]
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The result wasMerge/Redirect JERRY talk contribs 01:37, 7 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

List of awards for House (TV series)[edit]

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This article does not serve any encyclopedic purpose, it's simply a list containing items of varying notability; essentially an indiscriminate collection of information. The main House (TV series) article should list the main awards and this one should be deleted. CapitalSasha ~ talk 06:11, 29 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was Speedy delete. CSD G7- author requested deletion. Mattinbgn\talk 07:13, 4 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Hergest land[edit]

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Potentially non-notable book series. Googling for the name of the title or the given author yields no results; a spelling change on the author's last name yields 273 hits, but none have anything to do with the topic. Article was PROD'd and removed by the creator. Article currently fails WP:RS as well. — HelloAnnyong [ t · c ] 06:06, 29 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was: Speedily deleted due to either no claim of notability or snowball clause (your choice), with vandalism of this discussion/vote by the article's creator on top. (Service not included.) - Mike Rosoft (talk) 17:08, 29 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

EuphoriaX[edit]

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Article establishes no notability for the band. The page seems to simply be an advertisement/bio page created by either a band member or someone associated with it. The only albums this band has created are self published and there is no indication of widespread recognition or any "hits" per WP:MUSIC notability guidelines Oni Ookami AlfadorTalk|@ 04:55, 29 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Note: After giving it some thought this seems to fall under general criteria #11 for speedy deletion and I'm marking it for such as well.--Oni Ookami AlfadorTalk|@ 16:21, 29 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was redirect. WP:MUSIC indicates that non-notable songs "should redirect to another relevant article" and, as the articles have already been merged, the articles must be retained for authorship history to satisfy the requirements of GFDL. --Moonriddengirl (talk) 17:02, 6 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

The Fountain of Salmacis(Genesis song)[edit]

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This is simply a song written and performed by Gensis. Per WP:MUSIC songs should not have there own articles unless they have something that specifically sets their notability above most songs. This article makes no assertion of such. Oni Ookami AlfadorTalk|@ 04:49, 29 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Adding the following:

The Fountain of Salmacis (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) - Same reason as original article. This is just a (slightly better written) copy with the same notability per WP:MUSIC issues.--Oni Ookami AlfadorTalk|@ 14:14, 29 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Adding these to the discussion. / 18:32, 29 December 2007 (UTC)

The Musical Box (song) (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views)
For Absent Friends (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views)
The Return of the Giant Hogweed (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views)
The Fountain of Salmacis (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views)
Three options I like better than keeping The Musical Box (song):
  1. Add ((Redirect6|The Musical Box|the Genesis song|Nursery Cryme)) to Musical box.
  2. Change The Musical Box to redirect to the DAB page Music box. (This makes more sense for the search term "The Musical Box" than redirecting to the article for a literal music box, IMO.) Nursery Cryme is listed there.
  3. Redirect The Musical Box to Nursery Cryme and add to Nursery Cryme ((Redirect6|The Musical Box|the Genesis tribute band|The Musical Box (band))). This makes even more sense since a search treating "The Musical Box" as a title ("The" + Proper noun caps) can only be those two things.
I like #3 best. Keeping The Musical Box (song) just so that song title is represented somewhere doesn't seem necessary. / edg 23:49, 1 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]
2 and 3 are fine with me, and I agree 3 makes most sense. It is a bit odd that someone searching for "The Musical Box" would be interested in the musical box title, as you say, the proper noun can only mean the song or the tribute band. Mdwh (talk) 11:52, 2 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Option 3 implemented. [24] [25] / edg 12:12, 2 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]


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The result was speedy keep as clear POV forking, as is obvious from the nominator's rationale. Nrswanson (talk · contribs) has created a mess of article and template forks. Xe has already once done a bogus copy-and-paste "move" of this particular article. And this is not the only article that xe nominated for deletion on the grounds that xe had written a fork. Edit the existing articles and templates if you think that they are non-neutral. Do not create POV forks. I've tidied up some of the mess. I encourage editors with an interest in these articles to perform cleanup of Falsetto and Voice type, to integrate Nrswanson's text properly. Uncle G (talk) 14:14, 29 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Falsetto[edit]

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Delete- This article contains material that is covered in other wikipedia articles, most notably falsetto register. Furthermore, this article fails to incoporate itself with the larger topic of vocal registration and is highly biased towards a vocal pedagological perspective that fails to incorporate the perspective of speech pathologists. In addition some of the information on this page is uncited or comes from suspect sources that lack credibility.Nrswanson (talk) 03:36, 29 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was Delete without prejudice against recreation if additional claims to notability arise, such as being published in peer-reviewed academic journals or winning more significant awards — Caknuck (talk) 20:08, 6 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Thomas Carl Rustici[edit]

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After having tried to improve this article, I have come to conclusion that it completely fails WP:PROF. In particular: a) the initial claim that he has authored a text book used by 700,000 students is misleading. He wrote a few study guides for an educational video by John Stossel featuring colleague Walter E. Williams. This does not represent a significant academic work b) he has received no substantial secondary coverage, even the Salon piece is a fleeting reference c) no major awards d) the Virginia Institute should be considered a primary rather than secondary source, with a biography that reads like it was supplied by Rustici. Shawn in Montreal (talk) 04:32, 29 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I understand that you feel that way. (In fact, you may be short-shrifting yourself, I think I came across articles suggesting that the number of students who may have viewed the John Stossel video series is much higher). My point is that this is not the same as being a person who "has published a significant and well-known academic work" or whose "collective body of work is significant and well-known" or "is known for originating an important new concept", per WP:PROF. He was simply hired to co-write a few study guides for Stossel's video series, featuring, as the Salon piece points out, his boss. The XXX,000 students aren't reading "his stuff," they're watching Stossel's video. Thanks, Shawn in Montreal (talk) 04:46, 29 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
WEW isn't, so far as I know, TCR's boss. And the 700,000 study guides presumably get some use by the teachers and professors who order (& budget for?) them. As I recall, writing a widely used textbook is a specific example at WP:PROF, and this is close enough that I see no reason to increase entropy by dismissing it as a vanity entry. The server space isn't expensive. Andyvphil (talk) 00:28, 31 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
WP:PROF: "An academic who has published...a widely used textbook, or non-academic articles in periodicals with significant readership is likely to be notable as an author (see WP:BIO), regardless of their(sic?) academic achievements." 700,000 is pretty wide use. Andyvphil (talk) 10:16, 31 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]


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The result was delete both. Content can be restored to userspace on request. Sandstein (talk) 12:25, 4 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

English Names of Kings of Sweden[edit]

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The content of this article is already present in articles such as Monarchy of Sweden, List of Swedish monarchs, Anglicization, etc. Although well-intended, it doesn't seem to centre around a cohesive topic that isn't covered at either List of Swedish monarchs or Anglicization. The article simply is not an encyclopedic article and I suggest that the article be deleted and moved to the user's space. Charles 04:10, 29 December 2007 (UTC) Addendum: The reference given for the article is the main editor's own work and as such this may constitute original research. Note also WP:SPA, WP:SOCK and/or WP:MEAT with regard to comments below. Charles 01:56, 30 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Mistresses of the Swedish royal family (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views)
I am also nominating this article as well, considering that mistresses are usually only encyclopedic when discussed in the context of the kings they "served" and therefore usually require articles if they are indeed notable (rather than lists without sources). Send to user space if necessary. Charles 04:15, 29 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Comment: Wikipedia is not a vocabulary. If there exists an article about Swedish king then it is an appropriate place to put the IPA. But not here. ≈Tulkolahten≈≈talk≈ 18:13, 29 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Reply: Better to look at 60 different articles to find out about name forms in English rather than see one complete list plus all that valuable explanatory info on the collected subject under one clear heading? Wikipedia can do better than that for its users without being what you call a "vocabulary" (suppose you meant dictionary). E Eikner (talk) 19:12, 29 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Comment: The source bibliography referred to in the article precludes the validity of any allegation like Olaus's. All those libraries and many more would not have elected to include such "personal views" in their collections. Why is Mr Demitz's distinguished research and generous contribution being insulted by all these anonymous people? Who are they to say such things? Would anyone objective and knowlegeable about English name forms care to comment here? Such as people who have an excellent knowledge of both English and Swedish as synonymous languages, as this author often is appreciated for? He bilingually edits theses for the Royal Caroline Institute and City of Stockholm. Please show him the respect he deserves, i. e. normal such! E Eikner (talk) 19:59, 29 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
The article only refers directly to a book by someone who, apparently, is identical to the author of the Wikipedia article. This book appears to be self-published (I can explain why if anyone doubts me) or in any case published with a very minor, non-academic publishing company. The one review mentioned in the article is published in Dala-Demokraten, a provincial newspaper covering the same region where the book was published. Are there any reviews in academic journals? Olaus (talk) 23:42, 29 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Reply: The academics are in the bibliography and the inclusion of the reference book in all those libraries. Those librarians are not all idiots. I can only repeat the request for some objective and knowlegeable input here. How many reviews has Olaus had of his bilingual material in "academic journals"? I venture to say: none whatsoever "(I can explain why if anyone doubts me)" as Olaus writes. Dala-Demokraten is a very respected old, large newspaper in central Sweden that doesn't deserve to be defamed. Mr. Demitz must be getting very uncomfortable by now with Olaus knowing so much (or thinking he does) about him. All we know about Olaus is that he uses that pseudonym and has a page of his own with nothing but a big woodcut showing a drinking bout by Olaus Magnus (1490-1557), who was an entertaining chronicler but by no means a reliable historian. I ask again: for what personal reasons is it so important that this valuable article be deleted from Wikipedia? E Eikner (talk) 01:40, 30 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
There is no reason to filter the views of real experts through a self-published book of no obvious academic standing. Articles should reference experts directly. And I have to point out that citing a self-published book of your own is bound to put you in the situation of getting your qualifications questioned. As I am not the one doing this, my credentials are irrelevant. Olaus (talk) 03:04, 30 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Reply: It is insulting to write about "real experts" like this to the exclusion of this author. Since Olaus keeps ignoring the crucial word bibliography which is what justifies the standing of the book in question as a valuable reference, I have now scanned p. 188-189 from the book, which I am proud to own a copy of. These pages (of the 8 pages of bibliography in there on p. 181-189), have the expertise listed and the sources of research used re: name forms. Please find the scanned listing below! The book is neither original research nor self-published. Eleven sponsors who financed it are listed on p. 332. The largest were three well known organizations, Ericsson Telecom, ABB and the Swedish Postal Service, all of which took a careful look at the book before it was accepted for sponsorship and the money was paid to the printer enabling it to be published. Ergo, those companies made the publication possible after deciding to support it. (They all gave it to their foreign VIP guests.)

Bibliography listed on p. 188-189 (Demitz speaks and writes his first language, English, plus Swedish, German, French and Spanish, and reads Italian, Latin, Portuguese, Dutch, Danish and Norwegian):

Nordische Personnamen in England, Erik Björkman; Halle, 1910

Continental Germanic Personal Names in Old and Middle English Times, Thorvald Forssner; Upsala, 1916

Norsk Isländska Dopnamn och Fingerade Namn från Medeltiden, E H Lind; Oslo/Upsala/Copenhagen, 1931

The Pre Conquest Personal Names of Doomesday Book, O van Feilitzen; Upsala, 1937

Nordisk Kultur (VII); Personnamn, Assar Janzén; Stockholm/Oslo/¬Copenhagen,1947

Det medeltida Västergötland, Ivar Lundahl; Upsala/Copenhagen, 1961

Scandinavian Personal Names in Lincolnshire & Yorkshire, G Fellows Jensen; Copenhagen, 1968

Svenska förnamn, Roland Otterbjörk; Stockholm, 1970

Oxford Dictionary of English Christian Names, E G Withycombe; Oxford, 1977

Svensk etymologisk ordbok, E Hellquist; Lund, 1948

Svensk uppslagsbok, G Carlquist, J Carlsson et al; Malmö, 1947 1955

Thesaurus Nummorum Sueo Gothicorum, E Brenner; Stockholm, 1731

Sveriges Historia från Äldsta Tid till Våra Dagar J VI), Montelius, Hildebrand, Tengberg, Boëthius, et al; Stockholm, 1877 1881

Den svenska historien (2), G Grenholm, et al; Stockholm, 1966

Sweden: The Nation's History, F D Scott; Minneapolis, 1977

Gillesboken, Helga Lekamens Gille; Stockholm, 1393 1487

Regenter och regeringschefer i Norden, A W Carlsson; Malmö, 1982

Sveriges monarker, S Duhs; Hudiksvall, 1986

Kungar & Drottningar i Sverige, L Lidbeck, B Berg; Stockholm, 1993

The Monarchy in Sweden, Weibull, Palmstierna & Tarras Wahlberg; Stockholm, 1981 & 1995

Danmarks Historie, hvem, hvad, hvornær, B Seocozza & G Jensen; Copenhagen,1994

Debrett's Kings and Queens of Europe, D Williamson; Exeter/London, 1987

Europas Kungahus, L Schubert, R Seelmann Eggebert (K W Avraham); Stockholm, 1995

Stammtafeln zur Geschichte der Europäischen Staaten (I II), W K Isenburg & F Freytag von Loringhoven; Marburg, 1965

Stammtafeln Europäischen Herrscherhäuser, B Sokop; Vienna, 1993 Nationalencyklopedin, K Marklund, C Engström, et al; Höganäs, 1989¬-1995

The Statesman's Year Book 1994-95, B Hunter et al; London, 1995

Siebmacher's Grosses Wappenbuch (I II), J Siebmacher; Neustadt an der Aisch, 1978 & 1981

Heraldisk Tidsskrift (68), Copenhagen, 1993

E Eikner (talk) 04:06, 30 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

One most note, in consideration of the sources, that a Swedish source, or Swedish derived source, is more likely to prefer a Swedish name than an English one. Charles 04:13, 30 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Reply: Now that we have a milder tone (thank you, sir!) please be more careful! And be fair now! Oxford is in there, so is London (twice!) and a number of other non-Swedish sources. Carl and Maria are the only names Demitz uses (rather that the versions Charles and Mary) when warranted, as modern English names nowadays. All the others in his article are as English as any name ever was, and it took a huge research effort to find all the legitimate versions, so that reading would be as smooth as humanly and legitimately possible in English. E Eikner (talk) 04:46, 30 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Without knowing what material came from those sources, we cannot determine if it is true as to whether or not English sources are using English or Swedish names. As it stands, practice is to use English names for most sovereigns. The article as it stands speaks of Swedes and "non-Swedes", hardly a neutral set of groupings when discussing what are the appropriate names in English. Charles 04:55, 30 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Reply: You are quoting out of context, sir. That part of the text deals with phonetics in general. E Eikner (talk) 05:01, 30 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Whatever is repeated from elsewhere in this article consists mainly of the Swedish name forms corresponding with the English ones, most of which are not found anywhere else in Wikipedia. To make the lists complete, known name forms are also included for some of the kings and queens of later centuries. Should we list only those monarchs that had name forms that are less known and exclude the others from the complete list? The information presented to clarify the need for improved knowledge about the legitimate older name forms is based on the lifelong experience regarding problems and solutions of a bilingual and bicultural writer. J T Demitz (talk) 16:22, 29 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

In his last entry below (now hidden as a personal disagreement - good idea!) editor Charles wrote re: one of the issues at hand "Carl is an English name but it is not retroactively applied to historical fingers [sic, s.b. figures, I assume] where English usage gives a standard English name." On behalf of many people, Scandinavians and Germans as well as 100% English-speakers, scholars and non-such, young and old, teachers and pupils, I would like to register this emphatic, constructive objection to such a policy, if it really represents the last word from Wikipedia on the matter. All kings of Sweden should be called Carl in English in a modern world which definitely evolved once and for all with the ascension of King Carl XVI Gustaf to the throne in 1973. Carl is a standard English name for use in 2007. E Eikner (talk) 04:25, 30 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

You can't speak for the masses, I am afraid. "Should" is a matter of your own personal opinion which is not reflected by common English usage. That is what matters. If the best interests of Wikipedia are in mind, are you prepared to make the same argument for Spanish, French, German, etc kings? Charles 04:43, 30 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Reply: Methinks you and I are equally prone to propound and even profess our personal opinions, to be fair. You may not be alone in your opinion about this item. I know I am far from alone in mine. You ask a very good question. It took Demitz some 40 years to find the right answers to some such questions and when I interviewed him about these things, he said he changed his mind in some cases as times and names developed. He feels Carlos is an American English name today, just as well as Charles and Carl are. I think I've seen that English Wikipedia already prefers Louis to Lewis and Louise to Lewissa, so there the old established English names have already been abandoned in favor of French. Why spell Friedrich Frederick in German when that spelling is unheard of there and would only cause trouble for German readers? We could go on for kilometres here, name by name... There are a lot of royals to cover! Believe it or not, the objective here is to try to avoid trouble, not cause it, for the readers of English. E Eikner (talk) 04:58, 30 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
The difference is, whether I agree with convention or not, it is convention and has been for centuries. We do not determine comment on Wikipedia based on what Mr Demitz alone believes. Also, speaking of non-native speakers of English, what do they call the historic Swedish kings? We are not writing for Swedes, Germans, etc, to suit their spellings, we are writing and following a set of well-establish English conventions and usage. Simple as that. Charles 05:04, 30 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Reply: Old conventions often had old reasons, very often totally obsolete ones as we develop our communicating risks and skills. That is the case re: this item. Please stop ridiculing Mr. Demitz, Charles! It should be obvious to you by now that it isn't what he "alone believes". All those admirers of his research are in there with him. He worked very hard to try to document these legitimate and helpful solutions. And many experts think highly of him for it. Why can't you respect that? Do you think Ragnvald Knapphövde makes better reading in English than legitimate Reynold Knobhead? Olov Skötkonung is easier to read in English than legitimate Olaf Scotking? Ragnhild smoother to read and hear than English Ragenilda, Aun den gamle better than Edwin the Old, etc?. That's what you are campaigning about (aside from the odd Charles/Carl item which is not the main issue). And please don't close with condescending and arrogant words like "simple as that" or we'll be back to arguing. Trying to determine the best way to disseminate factual information and wondering how to best educate the young is anything but simple. E Eikner (talk) 05:41, 30 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
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  • KeepThe attempt by the author himself to give to Wikipedia his respected results of many years of name research deserves better than these "arguments" by Charles et al. Looks to me and a few friends like something personal rather than rational (sorry!), so I had to log in here. Charles et al cannot have read the article they want to trash, or else they would have seen all the helpful name forms that are not covered by any other Wikipedia article. I have seen the author's 40-year research and files, including the original of a letter to him where H. M. the King of Sweden compliments the material as "very interesting and educational". There are many other such impressive documents and letters that I could quote. The source review mentioned appreciated the name forms especially. Are sweeping arguments such as "rambling" and "bizarre" (see Charles's own page)valid in such a context? Most Swedes do not want any of their kings or princes referred to as Charles anymore. Nor do any modern experts. Wikipedia (so far) has (only) the current king as Carl and should improve in that regard. The article explains why with excellent motivation and also clearly defines the importance of all this information to vocal reading and to the education of the young. I have tried to come up with some rational reason why “Charles” would want this article deleted. The only thing I can think of is that Charles's request stems from a personal wish of his to continue to impose his own name on a number of historical persons where that can no longer be justified. E Eikner (talk) 17:58, 29 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
You should read up on assuming good faith and civility. Sorry, but we do not cater to Swedes or anyone else. This is English Wikipedia and no one dictates the use of English except Anglophones. You, my friend, need to check your attitude at the door. My name is Charles, not "Charles". Charles being my legal name, of course, although I have a German grandmother who calls me Karl. So much for imposition of a name. Need I mention this incivility on the administrative noticeboard or elsewhere if it is expected to continue? Charles 00:22, 30 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Reply: Sorry if my theory offended you. Sincerely. It was the only thing we could think of. Really. Give my best to your grandmother, who is probably a very nice lady. I have German roots, too. Most Germans don't want their kings and emperors und alle anderen Fürsten called Charles in English either by the way, when Carl is such a good English name in 2007. What makes you an "Anglophone" - won't you please identify yourself as such? Demitz gets paid huge sums as one, on special projects for organizations that need quality work. Civility, you are asking for? You mean like calling for the deletion of an article because it is (quote you) "A sort of bizarre article ... has a rambling sort of intro"? If we have been lacking in civility, you got that ball rolling, dear sir. Go ahead and "mention" whatever you want to whomever you want. As long as your person takes it as attempts to "dictate" to you when caring people are trying to disseminate knowledge, there's not much I can say. If that's the way Wikipedia works, we newcomers will be happy to trot on off into the sunset and leave you Anglophones in total control of the range. E Eikner (talk) 01:40, 30 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • I am sorry, but it really does not matter what Germans or Swedes want, it is what is English which matters on English Wikipedia. I would be the very last person to complain about whatever the Germans and Swedes want to do on those respective Wikipedias. If Mr Demitz gets paid huge sums of money for his work, that is fine. That doesn't mean it is suited for Wikipedia, however. Again though, is this a vanity article of the author's own work? It could also possibly be considered original research. At any rate, the naming of the Swedish kings is best suited in their respective articles and in parentheses following their listing at List of Swedish monarchs. I also have to call into question WP:SPA, WP:SOCK and/or WP:MEAT given your expression of personal familiarity of with the author who is presenting his research here. Charles 01:54, 30 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Reply: "Vanity article"? So much for civility Mr. Charles. There you go again, and civility went right out the window. And then you put the screws on your civility with "WP:SPA, WP:SOCK and/or WP:MEAT". Nice! It is important to you personally that this article be deleted. Why don't you be a real civil gentleman and admit it? You are British, I am pretty safe to assume. And you will never admit that Carl is a name in English nowadays, because you just want that Charles of yours in there as the only real way to put the name in English. Guess we better change Carl XVI Gustaf back to Charles ... again to suit you? He's a Swede, so you don't care about him anyway. With all due respect (to someone I know nothing about at all), I'll bet Demitz is more of an Anglophone that you are, sir, regardless of pay. (Sorry I was vain for him and mentioned that!) He is trying to tell you about easy-to-read and easy-to-hear legitimate English names for all these individuals. He's an American citizen, and yes - should I be ashamed to admit that many of us here in Stockholm and all over the world know of him and know his fine work? Will it hurt our cause with the article if you do some sleuthing and manage to confirm that I have met him? Heaven forbid that people should stick up for each other! Go ahead, Mr. Charles, and use that against me and this article, too! I'm about to give up on you anyway. On your page, you complain extremely bitterly about all the people that you think have been nasty to you. I wonder why? And you threatened to stop editing royalty. That was a very good idea, if you want all English to be British or not at all. Wikipedia in English is meant to be able to be used by all the people in the world who can communicate in and grasp this fabulous international language. And a vast majority of the ones that have English as their first language haven't been situated on those gorgeous British Isles for quite some time now. My company has all the statistics on that one. E Eikner (talk) 02:43, 30 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
A few notes: I didn't nominate this article because I am personally insensitive to any singular group. I respect what Swedish Wikipedia does but I am concerned with what English Wikipedia does. You make many, many assumptions. Carl is an English name but it is not retroactively applied to historical figures where English usage gives a standard English name. That my name is Charles is merely a coincidence; I personally would love if everyone in Germany accepted me as "Karl" in Germany or as "Carl" in Sweden. Really, I would. Do not make bets, this is not a house of gambling. You could very well lose if you had any idea of what you were making assumptions about. If he is trying to tell us about easy-to-read and easy-to-hear legitimate English names, he would be more than welcome to contribute to the individual articles on English kings, provided there are sources and no original research. I do not have the time --- or the desire --- to play the bit of detective and determine what sort of relationship you have to Mr Demitz. The only concern is disruption to Wikipedia and the breaking of policy. If you want to talk about people being nasty to me, you are more than welcome to post on my talk page about the matter and I will discuss it with you. My main problem is one thing that a user perpetuates something to use against me (like you are doing, bringing up the past), which another user will probably bring up later, but now with your bringing up my past added to that and so on, forever and ever presumably. But not here, it is not on-topic to the matter at hand. Also, since you note content on my talk page, I suggest you read a little more. Wikipedia in English is meant for everyone who speaks English and wishes to read it, not just Swedes who speak English. Charles 03:06, 30 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Comment: Charles is attempting to use the fact that a distinguished author wants to give some of his respected work to Wikipedia as an argument for his (Charles's) deletion campaign. The same bias is prevalent in the other far-fetched complaints above. The deleters that have signed in below are just as likely to be Charles's personal friends. How do we know with all this anonymity? Is it detrimental for people to identify themselves like gentlemen/women here? Why is everybody so anonymous? E Eikner (talk) 03:04, 30 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]


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The result was delete. Lack of WP:V. Pigman 05:12, 6 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Matthew Gold[edit]

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Contested CSD; it was tagged for notability concerns. Brought here for further consensus. Keilana(recall) 04:09, 29 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]


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The result was merge and redirect to Austin Powers in Goldmember. While there are substancial numbers for keeping the article the issues of notability and reliable sourcing havent been addressed. According to WP:FICTION The article is kept if the subject has received substantial coverage in reliable secondary sources and this coverage is explicitly referenced in the deletion discussion or is used to add real-world content to the article. Articles about fictional topics that are notable should be given time to develop.. There isnt any substancial coverage in relaible sources of "Goldmember" in the articles linked during the afd or the from those already in the article Gnangarra 16:09, 6 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Goldmember[edit]

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This article is about a non-notable character (as being a character in a hollywood movie does not necessarily make you individually notable) that has no references or notability, and as such is just an in-universe plot repetition which should be deleted Judgesurreal777 (talk) 03:49, 29 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

That's not enough for notability, we need how he developed the character and stuff like that. Judgesurreal777 (talk) 18:33, 29 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Nope: being discussed at all is sufficient to demonstrate notability. You're asking that it fulfil WP:WAF, which is not a guideline that covers deletion reasons, rather than WP:FICT. —Quasirandom (speak) 19:08, 29 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Besides, the sources do more than mention the character, they talk about Myers' inspiration from the Goldfinger character, describe him physically, discuss his role in the film, and review Mike Myers characterization of him. They are classic secondary sources. AnteaterZot (talk) 03:20, 30 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was withdrawn nomination by redirect. Non-administrator close. Rt. 15:54, 4 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Pea Ridge, Florida[edit]

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The only evidence for Pea Ridge, Florida is Wikipedia itself. There are a Pea Ridge Elementary School and Pea Ridge Church in Santa Rosa County, but they appear to be named for Pea Ridge, a ridge (according to the USGS GNIS[31]). There are some mentions of a Pea Ridge in blogs, forums and real estate ads, but I don't see any reliable sources. That would make this article unverifiable. Donald Albury 03:43, 29 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was keep, satisfies notability criteria by virtue of a charting single. --Stormie (talk) 14:44, 5 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Shawty Lo[edit]

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Non-notable rapper Mhking (talk) 03:18, 29 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]


Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so that consensus may be reached.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Rt. 15:52, 4 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was keep. Sandstein (talk) 10:26, 6 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Romapada Swami[edit]

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Does not appear to be notable--all references are to ISKCON (Hare Krishna) web pages. A sampling of 20 web hits found no reliable sources. Matchups (talk) 02:52, 29 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I'd be fine about accepting ISKCON sites as RS's for facts about ISKCON and its leaders, but not as evidence of notability, same as an individual's web page, or the Vatican's for that matter. Keep in mind that the rules for notability mention independent coverage. Matchups (talk) 12:34, 29 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Aak. You're right. I don't have any 3rd party sources for Romapada. But I am trying to find one- I am getting a book soon that may provide this information. So please give me some mercy! David G Brault (talk) 04:27, 29 December 2007 (UTC)


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The result was Speedy Deleted CSD A7. Non-admin closure. Lankiveil (talk) 02:47, 29 December 2007 (UTC).[reply]

Dr Rowland[edit]

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Doesn't seem notable to me, just a YouTube video. Google search brings up nothing of note. ~NeonFire372~ (talk) 02:31, 29 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]


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The result was Speedily deleted per criterion A7. Keilana(recall) 21:13, 29 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Queen city Independent[edit]

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Not notable; just trying to promote themselves. — Cuyler91093 - Contributions - 01:49, 29 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]


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