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June 30[edit]

June 30, 2020 (2020-06-30) (Tuesday)
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Disasters and accidents
  • A large explosion at a medical clinic in Tehran, Iran, kills at least 19 people, mostly women, according to Iranian authorities. A gas leak is suspected as being the cause. (BBC News)

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(Posted) RD: Ludwig Finscher

Article: Ludwig Finscher (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): NZZ
Credits:

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Nominator's comments: German Musicologist who edited a 28-volumes encyclopedia known as MGG. We expanded a stub. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 21:58, 1 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) RD: Ida Haendel

Article: Ida Haendel (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): BR-Klassik, Guardian
Credits:

Article updated
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Nominator's comments: Violinist, child prodigy. Grimes2 (talk) 17:57, 1 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) RD: Rudolfo Anaya

Article: Rudolfo Anaya (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Associated Press
Credits:

Article updated
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Nominator's comments: Died on June 28, but only reported on June 30. Bloom6132 (talk) 14:02, 1 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) RD: Jack Whittaker (lottery winner)

Article: Jack Whittaker (lottery winner) (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Associated Press
Credits:

Article updated
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Nominator's comments: Died on June 27, but only reported on June 30. Bloom6132 (talk) 08:26, 1 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) Hong Kong National Security Law

Article: Hong Kong national security law (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ China passes its Hong Kong national security law that criminalises secession of Hong Kong and other controversial measures. (Post)
Alternative blurb: ​ China passes its Hong Kong national security law in an act widely seen as a breach of its treaty obligations and the Hong Kong Basic Law.
Alternative blurb II: ​ China passes a controversial security law regarding its relationship with Hong Kong.
Alternative blurb III: ​ China imposes a national security law on Hong Kong, limiting personal freedoms within the special administrative region
News source(s): Guardian, Reuters, CNN, NYTimes, BBC
Credits:

Article updated

Nominator's comments: Just got passed, so article not yet updated. This is what the protests were leading up to, and they may have to back on depending on the reaction to this, but for now this is clearly a blurb. Masem (t) 02:19, 30 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Added alt blurb. -Ad Orientem (talk) 03:42, 30 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]
China passes its Hong Kong national security law in an act widely seen as a breach of Sino-British Joint Declaration.104.243.98.96 (talk) 04:16, 30 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Well, the HK leader doesn’t even know what’s in the law, so it really does breach the Basic Law. But also the Joint Declaration, hence the UK rightfully not getting as much flak for being involved as the US has just for trying. Kingsif (talk) 10:50, 30 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]
IP, you’ve been commenting this on a lot of recent noms when there’s no grammatical errors. Further, whoever posts it will correct typos and punctuation, so there’s no reason to say oppose just because you think there’s a spelling or other mistake (where there isn’t one). Kingsif (talk) 10:50, 30 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]
"imposes"? Come on, HK is sovereign territory of the PRC --LaserLegs (talk) 11:57, 30 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Indeed, it's perfectly legal for them to do so (under Chinese law anyway, unclear under HK law), but it has not been passed by the Hong Kong legislature. I don't see what's wrong with that word, but you could swap it for 'legislates' or 'promulgates' (once the text has been published). Modest Genius talk 12:04, 30 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Striking as the full text has now been published. I think consensus is clear, marking ready. Modest Genius talk 16:18, 30 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

June 29[edit]

June 29, 2020 (2020-06-29) (Monday)
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(Posted) RD: Johnny Mandel

Article: Johnny Mandel (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): The New York Times; BBC News; The Guardian
Credits:

Article updated
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 Bloom6132 (talk) 19:38, 30 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

(Closed) RD: Carl Reiner

Stale. The Rambling Man (Stay indoors, stay safe!!!!) 22:38, 2 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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Article: Carl Reiner (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination
Blurb:  American actor, comedian, director, screenwriter, and publisher whose career spanned seven decades, winning 11 Emmy Awards (Post)
News source(s): Variety, New York Times, CBS TV, Independent, The Guardian
Credits:

Article updated
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 Masem (t) 13:43, 30 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]
The two are not at all comparable. Williams was posted because of the circumstances of his death, not his stature in the field. GreatCaesarsGhost 17:40, 1 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Parts of the Filmography and all the Discography and Bibliography, for starters. - SchroCat (talk) 17:32, 1 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]
No, the only time this can be taken as true is when the person was in a top-billing role. Particularly when we get to some of Reiner's roles here as cameos and uncredited roles, they absolutely have to be sourced. --Masem (t) 18:40, 1 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Common misconception though, so don't be sad about it. Many filmographies feature items which aren't even linked to articles, so the verification of claims is even more tenuous. Often, linked articles here on Wikipedia don't even mention the individuals. And worse, Wikipedia isn't a RS. Doubly worse, the linked articles may change and lose the references needed. Worse thrice, We could just add a bunch of fake movies and say "well, if you can't find those movies, you're not trying hard enough". So no, three times no, each appearance needs to be referenced in this article, and that is a general principle for all BLP/BDPs. Cheers!! The Rambling Man (Stay indoors, stay safe!!!!) 22:05, 1 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]
..... Bzweebl (talk • contribs) 22:17, 1 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Such casting information is unlikely to be wrong because it is public knowledge – millions of people watch the movies and the credits are quite well-documented. It's the other details that need checking and verification. For example, I see an uncited sentence – "Reiner was a lifelong Democrat." Do people get registered with political parties when they are children in the US? What about before WW2, when he was a machinist, not an actor? Is this uncited because it's hard to verify or perhaps even not true?
Andrew🐉(talk) 23:19, 1 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]
That certainly needs a citation; thank you for pointing that out. Also his “endorsement” of Bernie Sanders in 2016 is just cited to a Twitter post saying he liked one of Sanders’ rally speeches. Not good enough. P-K3 (talk) 23:23, 1 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]
The "lifelong Democrat" has now been cited to an obituary in a newspaper but that's probably a case of citogenesis. I'm wary of such obituaries now because they often rely on Wikipedia. I'm going to try taking out the word "lifelong" and see if such sources follow. As for Twitter, Reiner was quite prolific in that medium, tweeting every day. That's quite easy to verify but our article doesn't say anything about such new media. From looking at Twitter, I find this recent reminiscence on Youtube: Dispatches from Quarantine. That's quite well-produced and very accessible so it's a shame that Wikipedia isn't keeping up. And there's old media too which might be missed. He recently wrote a book I Remember Radio and I found a reference to an interview that he gave on Monitor. Tracking all these various media appearances over such a long career should not be an obstacle at RD because it should not be necessary. We are supposed to write in a summary style and, per WP:NOTDIARY, not try to record everything that the subject ever did. Andrew🐉(talk) 09:39, 2 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Feel free to dive in and fix the issues rather than list them out here. Improving the article might go some way to getting it posted. Cheers. The Rambling Man (Stay indoors, stay safe!!!!) 09:47, 2 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]
As can be seen from this reference, Reiner appeared in literally dozens of television specials and acted in television series from the 1950s to 2000. We have completely sourced his film appearances, but the television appearances are difficult to source (some only appear on fan websites; one was just removed as a non-RS) and the list may never be complete. I expanded and sourced the Bibliography section but have no idea how to trace his old records under Discography. I agree with Andrew Davidson: enough already. The article got half a million views yesterday. It is in good shape. Comment out the stuff without cites that you don't like and let the rest of our readers see it. Thank you, Yoninah (talk) 00:21, 2 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]
What I am flabbergastered about is the lack of sourcing for the 1990s shows and beyond. This should be easy. For example, there's a Crossing Jordan episode. Less than 10 seconds in Google gets me a ChiTrib hit (which I will add). I did try to look at that 1958 special earlier and that looks a lot harder as it has a couple different names it seem, but people need to look at Google Books and other resources out there. Documentation is there. --Masem (t) 03:17, 2 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]
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(Closed) New swine flu strain found in China

Strong consensus against posting. The Rambling Man (Stay indoors, stay safe!!!!) 07:23, 30 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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Article: G4 EA H1N1 (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ New G4 EA H1N1 swine flu strain with pandemic potential found in China (Post)
News source(s): Science
Credits:

Article updated
 Count Iblis (talk) 00:17, 30 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]
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(Closed) François Fillon convicted of embezzlement

No consensus to post. Stephen 02:09, 6 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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Articles: François Fillon (talk · history · tag) and Fillon affair (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ In France former Prime Minister François Fillon is convicted of embezzlement of public funds and sentenced to prison. (Post)
Alternative blurb: ​ In France, François Fillon is convicted of embezzlement related to his 2017 presidential campaign and is sentenced to prison.
News source(s): The Telegraph & etc.
Credits:
Nominator's comments: Former PM of a major European country is jailed for corruption. Not a common event. Section dealing with the trial and conviction may need further expansion. Ad Orientem (talk) 20:29, 29 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]
It's all over the place. We actually have a pretty decent list List of current heads of state and government --LaserLegs (talk) 01:17, 30 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Perhaps if it was the current VP but definitely not for a former one and it would be a hard sell either way. Gotitbro (talk) 05:28, 30 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]
That's not really a fair parallel because those are both active politicians. A better example would be Dick Cheney or Al Gore. —Brigade Piron (talk) 10:57, 30 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Nor is it fair because the PM of France is not the equivalent of POTUS. Not by a LONG shot. The Rambling Man (Stay indoors, stay safe!!!!) 19:10, 30 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Recall that Fillon was neck-and-neck with Le Pen in the Presidential race when this scandal broke, at which point his numbers tanked and never recovered. It is more likely than not the reason the current president is Macron and not someone else. The focus of oppose votes on the relative importance of the PM seems to be missing the point. GreatCaesarsGhost 00:07, 1 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Oh, so just some political damage to an individual. I see. "Politician gets caught". No big deal then. The Rambling Man (Stay indoors, stay safe!!!!) 08:09, 1 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Why is everyone in this thread exaggerating their positions? Of course it's a big deal if the probable next leader of a G8 country goes to jail. Maybe it's not ITN-worthy (I'm not supporting) but it's certainly a valid candidate. GreatCaesarsGhost 11:24, 1 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]
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(Closed) RD: Benny Mardones

Stale. The Rambling Man (Stay indoors, stay safe!!!!) 22:41, 2 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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Article: Benny Mardones (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Variety
Credits:

Article updated
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Nominator's comments: Article needs some reformatting. MetaTracker (talk) 19:34, 29 June 2020 (UTC)MetaTracker[reply]
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(Closed) China Forcing Birth Control on Uyghurs

No consensus to post. Stephen 01:14, 2 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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Article: Cultural genocide of Uyghurs (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ An Associated Press investigation reveals that the Chinese government is committing "demographic genocide" against its Uyghur population. (Post)
News source(s): The Associated Press, BBC, Guardian
Credits:

Article needs updating
 MetaTracker (talk) 06:46, 29 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment: Patten (last HK Governor) has now called it genocide. [2] Article should be updated. Kingsif (talk) 15:39, 29 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]
To put his in perspective, a major global newsmaker like Beyonce – Pardonnez-moi, I mean Beyoncé! – racked up 95,000 page views last Friday. (That's an average of seven page views for each one of the 13,500 words in her article.) – Sca (talk) 21:47, 29 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Indeed, it's worth noting once again that I believe running ITNC on pageviews is absurd, and that's what WP:TOP25 is for. Others appear to have different views. The Rambling Man (Stay indoors, stay safe!!!!) 07:25, 30 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]
PS: Guardian fields cautiously worded article. – Sca (talk) 21:27, 29 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]
It's obviously not gonna be posted, but your framing of this issue is very dishonest. Of course, this really isn't the place for a debate. MetaTracker (talk) 04:34, 30 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]
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(Posted) 2020 Pakistan Stock Exchange attack

Article: 2020 Pakistan Stock Exchange attack (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ Gunmen have attacked the Pakistani stock exchange in Karachi, Pakistan, killing at least eight people and injuring others. (Post)
Alternative blurb: ​ At least 8 people are killed and seven others injured in an attack on Pakistan Stock Exchange in Karachi.
News source(s): BBC
Credits:

Article needs updating

Nominator's comments: Developing. Still stub. Sherenk1 (talk) 06:35, 29 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

June 28[edit]

June 28, 2020 (2020-06-28) (Sunday)
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Business and economy
  • Following negotiations with creditors, Chesapeake Energy applies for Chapter 11 bankruptcy in the United States. It will seek to restructure its debts in order to continue operations. The company is experiencing cash flow and liquidity issues due to low energy prices and large amounts of debt. (Reuters)

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(Posted) Malawian election

Articles: 2020 Malawian presidential election (talk · history · tag) and Lazarus Chakwera (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ Lazarus Chakwera is elected President of Malawi in fresh elections ordered by the Constitutional Court after irregularities were uncovered during voting in 2019 (Post)
News source(s): AP, BBC, Reuters
Credits:

One or both nominated events are listed on WP:ITN/R, so each occurrence is presumed to be important enough to post. Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article and update meet WP:ITNCRIT, not the significance.

 —Brigade Piron (talk) 08:41, 28 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Can you be more specific? The election statistics are cited (albeit in a slightly unorthodox way) to the Malawian Electoral Commission. —Brigade Piron (talk) 10:30, 29 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]
The last line of "Candidates" and first line of "Opinion polls." GreatCaesarsGhost 14:50, 29 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]
These have now both been addressed, GreatCaesarsGhost. —Brigade Piron (talk) 17:13, 29 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Okay now. 75.188.224.208 (talk) 01:51, 30 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

(Closed) Belarus unrest

No consensus to post. Stephen 01:12, 2 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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Articles: 2020 Belarusian protests (talk · history · tag) and 2020 Belarusian presidential election (talk · history · tag)
Ongoing item nomination (Post)
Credits:

Article updated
 Abcmaxx (talk) 23:30, 27 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]
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June 27[edit]

June 27, 2020 (2020-06-27) (Saturday)
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Arts and culture

Health and environment
  • COVID-19 pandemic in India
    • India surpasses 500,000 cases after reporting 18,552 new cases in the last 24 hours, the highest toll to date. India also reports a total 15,685 deaths from the disease. (AP News)

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(Posted) RD: Adrian Devine

Article: Adrian Devine (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Sports Illustrated
Credits:

Article updated
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 Bloom6132 (talk) 21:40, 28 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

(Closed) RD: Siya Kakkar

Article has been nominated for deletion. This nom can be re-opened if it is kept.P-K3 (talk) 16:33, 28 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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Article: Siya Kakkar (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): [3]
Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.
Nominator's comments: her death has been mentioned in CNN
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(Closed) Irish government formation

Stale and no consensus. Stephen 01:08, 2 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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Article: Micheál Martin (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ Following February's general election, Micheál Martin (pictured) is appointed Taoiseach (prime minister) of Ireland, leading a Fianna Fáil–Fine Gael–Green coalition. (Post)
News source(s): itv Sky News BBC New York Times
Credits:
Nominator's comments: New PM elected. Sheila1988 (talk) 12:00, 27 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]
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(Closed) Ongoing: 2020 China–India skirmishes

No consensus to post to ongoing. Stephen 01:07, 2 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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Article: 2020 China–India skirmishes (talk · history · tag)
Ongoing item nomination (Post)
Credits:

Article updated
Nominator's comments: The buildup of troops on both sides of the LAC is increasing, China is still grabbing land along the LAC. Mike Pompeo has said that the US will shift troops from Germany to Asia to be in position to counter the PLA as needed. Economic response from India is slowly but visibly increasing, etc This was previously an ITN blurb for the 15/16 Galwan skirmish in which at least 20 soldiers died while fighting. DTM (talk) 05:52, 27 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]
The first line of the article says "The 2020 China–India skirmishes are part of an ongoing military standoff between China and India." Standoff is a clear factor in this. DTM (talk) 07:29, 27 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Please also see the first line in media coverage - "Chinese media have given little to no attention to the dispute and have downplayed the clashes."DTM (talk) 07:30, 27 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]
About the sources... please add as many Chinese sources as you like to counter balance the Indian, or even add sources from other countries. Currently all the big names are there, Global Times, People's Daily, The Telegraph, The Guardian, CNN, BBC, WSJ, South Morning China Post etc DTM (talk) 07:28, 27 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]
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June 26[edit]

June 26, 2020 (2020-06-26) (Friday)
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(Removed) Ongoing: Hong Kong protests

Article: 2019–20 Hong Kong protests (talk · history · tag)
Ongoing item removal (Post)

Nominator's comments: Perhaps I'm missing something, but I don't think this article has had more than a single line of added prose in the last week. [4] GreatCaesarsGhost 20:04, 26 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

There has also been little involvement and no consensus in a discussion to amend the ongoing criteria and omit the criteria that the target article be "regularly updated with new, pertinent information". The target article does not meet the ongoing criteria as currently written. --LaserLegs (talk) 22:28, 26 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

(Closed) Glasgow multiple stabbings/shooting

Unanimous opposition – no chance.
– Sca (talk) 12:54, 27 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]
(non-admin closure)

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Article: Glasgow hotel stabbings (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ A man goes on a stabbing spree in Glasgow, Scotland, injuring multiple people before being shot dead by police. (Post)
News source(s): BBC
Credits:

Article updated
Nominator's comments: News is describing it as multiple stabbings, but all in one area so 'spree' seems appropriate. Armed police in Scotland involved. Kingsif (talk) 17:00, 26 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Except that's too detailed and suggests that there is some relation between the asylum seekers and the incident, which has not been commented on. Kingsif (talk) 17:09, 26 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Joseph2302 Please show where a stabbing in the US with two victims was posted. This has nothing whatsoever to do with nationality. 331dot (talk) 17:56, 26 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]
You do realise I'm opposing this? Joseph2302 (talk) 18:11, 26 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Joseph2302, be less facetious. UK bias here is just as strong if not stronger than US bias. – Muboshgu (talk) 18:29, 26 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]
I apologize, I did not realize that. 331dot (talk) 18:35, 26 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Muboshgu US bias is much stronger in my experience, although there is a far too great US & UK bias anyway Joseph2302 (talk) 19:03, 26 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • It's the second time ever Scottish police have shot dead a suspect, the other time was in 1969. Yes, they didn't even shoot the Dunblane massacre guy. That's half the news here. Kingsif (talk) 01:32, 27 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]
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(Posted) RD: Milton Glaser

Article: Milton Glaser (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): NYT
Credits:

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Article updated and well sourced --TDKR Chicago 101 (talk) 04:31, 27 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) RD: Munawar Hasan

Article: Munawar Hasan (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): [5], [6], [7], [8]
Credits:

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: politician and the former President of Islamist party Jamaat-e-Islami Pakistan. Ainty Painty (talk) 09:15, 26 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

June 25[edit]

June 25, 2020 (2020-06-25) (Thursday)
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(Posted) RD: Joe Sinnott

Article: Joe Sinnott (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): The Hollywood Reporter, Syfy Wire
Credits:

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: American comic book artist known for his work with Marvel Comics. —Matthew - (talk) 21:59, 25 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Support Ready now. GreatCaesarsGhost 00:12, 27 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]
@Kingsif: I found some sources for that info and added them as citations. —Matthew - (talk) 17:58, 26 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Should be good to go, it's a good bio and has a decent update. Quite an important figure, but not Stan Lee, so I don't think it will get any real blurb arguments. Kingsif (talk) 18:51, 26 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) Liverpool F.C. win the Premier League

Posted, nothing more useful here. If people want to debate the ITNR target, do it at ITNR. Other commentary is discouraged. The Rambling Man (Stay indoors, stay safe!!!!) 11:07, 27 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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Article: 2019–20 Premier League (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ Liverpool F.C. win the 2019–20 Premier League. (Post)
Alternative blurb: ​ Liverpool F.C. win the 2019–20 Premier League, their first league title since 1990.
Alternative blurb II: ​ Liverpool F.C. win the Premier League.
News source(s): BBC Sport
Credits:

Article updated
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Nominator's comments: Mathematically confirmed now. Sceptre (talk) 21:16, 25 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Though I maintain my general position described above, for this particular nom I am changing to support due to the unusually long gap between clinching and end of the season and because the article is now in slightly better shape. Bzweebl (talk • contribs) 20:40, 26 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]
My country's local media had no mention about it. But, disregarding that, why does the blurb not also provide a link to the article about the championship round itself and not just to the article about the entire season? Also, the lead is too long. LSGH (talk) (contributions) 09:59, 26 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Domestic European football leagues don't have a "championship round" aka playoffs. Teams play each other twice and the team with the best record after all games are played wins the title. So that means a full season summary for this article is the only acceptable update. Howard the Duck (talk) 10:14, 26 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Your country's local media is irrelevant. And yes, we've noted that the target article is sub-standard. The Rambling Man (Stay indoors, stay safe!!!!) 10:04, 26 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • I see this has now been changed. --LukeSurl t c 09:21, 27 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]
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(Stale) RD: Étienne Cerexhe

Article: Étienne Cerexhe (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): [9]
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Article updated
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Nominator's comments: Short article, but all sourced. Not that much more information about him, which is a shame Joseph2302 (talk) 17:48, 25 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) RD: John Kennedy Sr. (footballer)

Article: John Kennedy Sr. (footballer) (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): ABCThe Age
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Article updated
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Nominator's comments: Article is rubbish, and a poor tribute to one of the greats, but good enough for the front page. Hawkeye7 (discuss) 07:49, 25 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

@Serial Number 54129: - What sourcing needs to be sorted? There are no citation needed tags in the article. I'm willing to work on it, but I at least need pointers on what the problems are you think exist. HiLo48 (talk) 11:11, 25 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]
@HiLo48: D'oh! I mis-read the statue tablet as being a load of unsourced sentences, apologies! (No excuse, but it was a long night!) ——Serial # 14:59, 25 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

June 24[edit]

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(Closed) RD: Michael Hawley

Stale. The Rambling Man (Stay indoors, stay safe!!!!) 21:52, 1 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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Article: Michael Hawley (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): NYT
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Nominator's comments: American computer programmer and pianist dies at age 58. Article needs more refs. Davey2116 (talk) 14:42, 26 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]
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(Closed) RD: Margarita Pracatan

Stale. The Rambling Man (Stay indoors, stay safe!!!!) 21:53, 1 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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Article: Margarita Pracatan (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): BBC
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Article updated
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(Closed) Mexico earthquake

Good faith nom but consensus to post is unlikely to develop. -Ad Orientem (talk) 21:30, 28 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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Article: 2020 Oaxaca earthquake (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ A magnitude 7.4 earthquake strikes Oaxaca, Mexico, killing at least ten people. (Post)
News source(s): NBC, Reuters
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Nominator's comments: Major earthquake in Mexico with several deaths. King of ♥ ♦ ♣ ♠ 23:09, 24 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Yes, there doesn't appear to be widescale damage beyond the initial reports. Gotitbro (talk) 04:09, 26 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Still good to go, Look at titles: "Powerful earthquake shakes southern Mexico, at least 10 dead.", Are these limited impact and little media coverage? AP news, ABC News, National Geographic, CNN, The New York Times, The Guardian...etc!! AbDaryaee (talk) 20:43, 26 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]
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(Posted) RD: Liam Treadwell

Article: Liam Treadwell (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): [10], [11]
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Nominator's comments: 2009 Grand National winner, still trying to expand it a bit more. Hoping obits will give more on personal life, which is lacking Joseph2302 (talk) 15:52, 23 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

(Closed) Safoora Zargar

Consensus will not develop to post. Stephen 01:23, 24 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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Article: Safoora Zargar (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ Safoora Zargar is granted bail at the 4th application by the Delhi High Court. She was arrested on 10 April for her part in protests against the Citizenship Amendment Act that led to the North East Delhi riots in February 2020. (Post)
News source(s): Gunasekar, Arvind (23 Jun 2020). Ghosh, Deepshikha (ed.). "Pregnant Jamia Student Safoora Zargar Gets Bail In Delhi Riots Case". NDTV. Retrieved 23 Jun 2020.
Iyer, Aishwarya S (23 Jun 2020). "Safoora Zargar Granted Bail By Delhi High Court, With Conditions". The Quint. Retrieved 23 Jun 2020.
"Safoora Zargar: Bail for pregnant India student blamed for Delhi riots", BBC News, 23 June 2020, retrieved 23 June 2020
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Nominator's comments: Zargar's arrest and her being held in prison had been covered by international media such as the BBC and Al Jazeera. There have been protests over the refusal to grant her bail. She had been held alone in a prison cell from April until today. -- Toddy1 (talk) 10:47, 23 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]
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(Closed) BeiDou-3 launched

No consensus to post. Stephen 01:45, 24 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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Article: BeiDou (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ The final BeiDou-3 satellite is launched, completing the BeiDou global navigation satellite system. (Post)
News source(s): [12]
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(Posted) Serbian parliamentary election

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Article: 2020 Serbian parliamentary election (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ A coalition led by President Aleksandar Vučić (pictured) and his Serbian Progressive Party wins an overwhelming majority in parliamentary elections boycotted by the main opposition parties. (Post)
Alternative blurb: ​ A coalition led by President Aleksandar Vučić (pictured) and his Serbian Progressive Party wins a majority in parliamentary elections.
News source(s): NYT Euronews Balkan Insight
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Article updated
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Nominator's comments: I wasn't planning to nominate this but the article seems to be in particularly good shape, so why not highlight a decent article from a moderately underrepresented region of the world on Wikipedia. Official results are still being reported but the outcome is already clear and being reported by reliable sources. Open to suggestions or additions of altblurbs. Bzweebl (talk • contribs) 03:13, 23 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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RD: Steve Bing

Article: Steve Bing (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): BBC
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Nominator's comments: Producer and former husband of Elizabeth Hurley. The Rambling Man (Stay indoors, stay safe!!!!) 19:57, 23 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

RD: Pierino Prati

Article: Pierino Prati (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): The Statesman, La Repubblica
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Nominator's comments: Italian footballer, won European Championship and played the World Cup final, was leading scorer in Italian competition. Fully sourced but could of course use expansion from the (many) sources appearing today. Fram (talk) 09:51, 23 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

It's now in the lede.130.233.3.21 (talk) 10:17, 24 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]
I'll remove the oppose but there should really be a personal life section in this kind of article, about him, where he was born, schooled, did he marry, did he have kids, what did he do after football etc. That's where I'd expect to see his death noted too. The Rambling Man (Stay indoors, stay safe!!!!) 22:17, 24 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Weak oppose going back to marginal oppose. There's literally nothing about his personal life which is a clear gap for me. The Rambling Man (Stay indoors, stay safe!!!!) 20:44, 25 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) RD: Thomas Welder

Article: Thomas Welder (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): [13]
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Nominator's comments: The article is short but I believe everything is cited. gnu57 22:22, 22 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) RD: Joel Schumacher

Article: Joel Schumacher (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): [14]
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Article updated
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Nominator's comments: Director of St. Elmo's Fire, The Lost Boys, Falling Down, Batman Forever, and Batman & Robin Jon698 (talk) 18:12, 22 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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(Posted) RD: Jürgen Holtz

Article: Jürgen Holtz (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): BZ
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Nominator's comments: Found a one-liner about a fascinating actor and artist, between East Berlin and the West. Much more in German, in case someone has the time to expand further. Gerda Arendt (talk) 10:26, 25 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) RD: Angela Madsen

Article: Angela Madsen (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Het Laatste Nieuws (Belgium), [15] Guardian]
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Nominator's comments: Died 21st, but this only became known the 23rd, so please give this some time. Tragic death of Paralympic shot putter (bronze medalist) and rower (world champion), and record breaker as first woman to row some oceans. Article seems fully sourced (work of multiple people, I'm only the nominator). Fram (talk) 10:09, 25 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) RD: Anna Blume

Article: Anna and Bernhard Blume (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): WDR
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Article updated
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Nominator's comments: I'm shocked, having known her. The news came only today, so I put it here, but she died on 18 June. I checked the sources of a mostly 2011 article, many were not there anymore, but more could be taken from some external links of when her husband died and I had no time. Gerda Arendt (talk) 22:57, 21 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Support article is in good shape, notwithstanding link rot issues. Hawkeye7 (discuss) 23:35, 21 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

(Closed) Manchester shooting deaths

Consensus will not develop to post. Stephen 01:30, 23 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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Article: 2020 Moss Side mass shooting (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ Two men die in a shooting incident in Moss Side, Manchester. (Post)
Alternative blurb: ​ Two men die in a shooting incident in Moss Side, Manchester after a gunman opens fire at a street party.
Alternative blurb II: ​ Two men die in a shooting incident in Moss Side, Manchester, United Kingdom after a gunman opens fire at a street party.
News source(s): BBC
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Article updated
Nominator's comments: Not much in the article at the moment. Well, the UK got a shooting - BUT the UK media is overwhelmingly more interested in the stabbing below. Kingsif (talk) 18:56, 21 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Because someone opened fire in a car park full of people? Why does it look like domestic violence to you (seriously)? Kingsif (talk) 19:23, 21 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • I'm looking at the other articles reporting on this (BBC, Guardian) and none of them talk about anyone opening fire at a car park. They said the shootings happened away from the rave. Only one source suggests even a third-party is involved at this point. --Masem (t) 19:27, 21 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • The Manchester Evening News is being less conservative (tactful?) on details, but none of those say it wasn't an attack, just they're waiting on more details. There were two parties, which may be where you're confused - it didn't happen at the BLM one, but at the illegal rave later. With a murder inquiry, it seems unlikely they shot each other. Kingsif (talk) 19:32, 21 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • I'll just say the way the BBC and Guardian are reporting it are drastically undercutting any "seriousness" of the event compared to how the MEN is covering it between its two stories. Even still, a random shooting at a rave where there was clearly drugs and alcohol involved still would be a domestic crime and the type of thing ITN usually doesn't cover. Barring anything unusual in the reasonings for the shooter, this is not the type of story for ITN (in contrast to the stabbings below which may have terrorist-related reasoning). --Masem (t) 19:43, 21 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oh, yeah, I'm not saying this is being treated anything like the stabbings - a lack of media coverage can only be blamed so much on foggy details. But I think our definitions of domestic must differ. Kingsif (talk) 19:47, 21 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]
And here I was thinking it was the one in Ing-land. – Sca (talk) 22:22, 21 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • I guess it comes down to whether it was a targeted attack (relatively common) or a random mass shooting. Nearly half of the mass shootings in the UK have happened in Moss Side, yes, but when the complete total is five (four with fatalities), there's some liberty to say it's still rare. Kingsif (talk) 12:29, 22 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]
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(Stale) RD: Zeev Sternhell

Article: Zeev Sternhell (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): New York Times, Haaretz, Bloomberg
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Nominator's comments: Some sourcing issues. Rami R 16:34, 21 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Significant historical figure. – Sca (talk) 13:09, 22 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]
No comments at all? —Brigade Piron (talk) 08:34, 28 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

(Closed) 2020 Forbury Gardens stabbings

Consensus will not develop to post. --LaserLegs (talk) 11:33, 24 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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Article: 2020 Forbury Gardens stabbings (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ Three people are killed, and another three seriously injured, in a suspected terrorist attack in Reading, United Kingdom. (Post)
Alternative blurb: ​ A knife attack in Reading, United Kingdom results in three people killed and another three seriously injured.
Alternative blurb II: ​ Three people are killed in a knife attack in Reading, United Kingdom.
Alternative blurb III: ​ Three people are killed in a suspected terrorist attack in Reading, United Kingdom.
Alternative blurb IV: ​ A knife attack in Reading, United Kingdom leaves three dead and another three seriously injured.
News source(s): Telegraph, Independent, BBC, Reuters, The Guardian, RTVE (in Spanish), Die Welt (in German), El País (in Spanish)
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Nominator's comments: Serious incident, with regular news updates and consequently regular updates to the article; top story on all UK news outlets I've checked. Naypta ☺ | ✉ talk page | 10:57, 21 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]
OK, changed to 'wait' - Let's give the story some time to develop. – Sca (talk) 13:46, 21 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]
My prior comments notwithstanding, I'm going to flip to neutral as well. The premeditated terrorism angle is now more firmly substantiated. GreatCaesarsGhost 23:38, 21 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Apart from things happening in other countries, Naypta? In any case, that's not what I said - the Manchester bombing was notable for the (i) death toll, (ii) means and (iii) location. This attack doesn't really compare on any metric. —Brigade Piron (talk) 10:05, 22 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]
@Brigade Piron: Apologies; upon rereading it, my comment came off stronger than intended. What I mean to say isn't that your comment is unreasonable; rather, that a tragedy on the scale of the Manchester Arena bombing may not be a useful benchmark, in my view, simply because same scale is so unfathomably large. Naypta ☺ | ✉ talk page | 10:14, 22 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]
BBC does some awful location-based forwarding that makes comparing article procession very hard. I ran into this recently where I couldn't find anything corona related there and someone here pointed out that I was looking at BBC TV, when I had manually typed in bbc dot co dot you kay in the address bar. Probably what's happening here.130.233.3.21 (talk) 12:29, 22 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]
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June 20[edit]

June 20, 2020 (2020-06-20) (Saturday)
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(Posted) Belmont Stakes

Article: 2020 Belmont Stakes (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ In horse racing, Tiz the Law wins the Belmont Stakes. (Post)
Alternative blurb: ​ In horse racing, Tiz the Law wins the Belmont Stakes, which served as the initial leg of the Triple Crown for the first time.
News source(s): NYT, WSJ
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Article updated

Nominator's comments: I'm not particularly optimistic about this nomination's chances since sporting events that aren't ITNR are a hard sell around here, but we haven't had any sports posted in a while and this was the first major event in any sport in the United States since COVID-19. It also functioned as the first race of the Triple Crown this year instead of the Kentucky Derby, which is ITNR. Article is not updated yet but is otherwise in good shape. Bzweebl (talk • contribs) 07:27, 21 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

What would that be? Bzweebl (talk • contribs) 17:28, 21 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Royal Ascot, also June 20, most important UK horse race (arguable with the Grand National), not attended by the Queen for the first time ever. But I don't think I'd put that in ITN, either. Kingsif (talk) 17:45, 21 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Is the Royal Ascot considered more important than the Epsom Derby? The fact that it lacks a Wikipedia page doesn’t suggest to me a high degree of notability.Bzweebl (talk • contribs) 17:52, 21 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Royal Ascot doesn't exist? (The Derby is a big but still run-of-the-mill good-for-betting horse race, AFAIK) Kingsif (talk) 18:04, 21 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Indeed it doesn’t. The lede of the Wikipedia page for Epsom Derby (and to a lesser extent the fact that it’s ITN/R) suggest to me a higher degree of notability. Bzweebl (talk • contribs) 18:15, 21 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]
To not kill a point, since we could just as easily argue for posting of Newbury last week (there's a lot in horse racing right now), the Triple Crown article calls the Royal Ascot the most prestigious long-distance races in the British flat racing season, so it's probably the ideal comparison to Belmont. Seems we should wait for the Kentucky Derby and Grand National, or post all of this week's horse races. Kingsif (talk) 18:22, 21 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Though I still think the Belmont was the most notable of all the recent horse racing events, your point is well taken. Thanks for engaging in this discussion. Bzweebl (talk • contribs) 18:41, 21 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Gotitbro This is an American Triple Crown race, one of the top three races in the US. 331dot (talk) 22:38, 22 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Normally, these three races occur within five weeks; this year the other two races are much later. 331dot (talk) 23:41, 22 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]
How's that? 331dot (talk) 00:05, 23 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Whoever originally decided on the wording at WP:ITNR could not have possibly envisioned that the Belmont would ever be the first race of the Triple Crown. As the guideline header states, "it is best treated with common sense, and occasional exceptions may apply." Bzweebl (talk • contribs) 00:27, 23 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Why should this be an exception? What is the benefit to keeping this off the box? 331dot (talk) 01:41, 23 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Perhaps you're interpreting the listing at ITN/R differently than I am? I'm pretty sure it means that we only post the Belmont if a horse wins the Triple Crown, not if it is one of the three races in the Triple Crown, which it always is. I apologize, I thought you were making a legalistic argument that because a horse could still technically win the Triple Crown this is ITN/R. Bzweebl (talk • contribs) 03:32, 23 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]
We've posted the Belmont if a Triple Crown is at stake, which is not always the case normally. However, it is this year because it was first(which has never happened before and I think is notable in that regard alone). I respect the difference of opinion on this. 331dot (talk) 08:46, 23 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]
ITNR is about planning for foreseeable events. The order of these races is long-standing and firmly set, and this listing was very clearly written with the understanding that the Belmont is the third race. The clear meaning of "only if it is part of a Triple Crown" means a horse won all three races (or possibly won the first two and contended for the third). Applying this entry to this year's race is not in line with ITNR's intent. GreatCaesarsGhost 13:24, 23 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]
The intent is to post this race if it is part of a Triple Crown. This year is an unusual situation not likely to be repeated where the Belmont, for the first time ever, is the leadoff race. We post the Kentucky Derby as the leadoff race for the TC every other year. 331dot (talk) 14:00, 23 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]
It looks like it was initially added by Montanabw here, removed, and then readded by me afterwards as TRM notes. 331dot (talk) 14:15, 23 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

(Closed) Conviction of Vital Kamerhe

No consensus to post. Stephen 03:07, 26 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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Articles: Vital Kamerhe (talk · history · tag) and Democratic Republic of the Congo (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ A Democratic Republic of the Congo court convicted Vital Kamerhe of embezzling $48 million. (Post)
News source(s): [17]
Credits:

Article needs updating
 P,TO 19104 (talk) (contributions) 16:05, 20 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]
@Awsomaw:Well, not only is $48 m a lot, but there is a difference in getting caught and not getting caught. Thank you for your input, P,TO 19104 (talk) (contributions) 22:57, 20 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Agreed with the above. Neither of the linked articles conveys this.130.233.3.21 (talk) 09:19, 23 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Sorry but corruption in Africa is hardly a news story, being caught doing it may be of mild interest, but this is not something I would expect to see in the top 100 stories in the news of 2020. The Rambling Man (Stay indoors, stay safe!!!!) 06:45, 24 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]
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(Closed) Trump rally

No way. Stephen 03:54, 20 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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Articles: List of post-election Donald Trump rallies (talk · history · tag) and Tulsa (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ Donald Trump holds a rally in Tulsa during the COVID-19 Pandemic (Post)
News source(s): [18] [19]
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Article updated
Nominator's comments: Trump's first rally since start of the Covid-19 pandemic. Its controversial -- may be it is something worth noting? P,TO 19104 (talk) (contributions) 02:09, 20 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]
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June 19[edit]

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(Posted) RD: Vic Gilliam

Article: Vic Gilliam (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): [20]
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Nominator's comments: Former member of the Oregon House of Representatives and actor that died from ALS. Jon698 (talk) 21:20, 19 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

  • Comment the concern of Bloom6132 looks like it was addressed JW 1961 Talk 11:59, 20 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) RD: Nicolas Joel

Article: Nicolas Joel (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): https://www.francemusique.fr/actualite-musicale/disparition-de-nicolas-joel-ancien-directeurs-des-operas-de-paris-et-toulouse-85098
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Nominator's comments: Just had to change tense and add two sources for his death, sad and easy. Gerda Arendt (talk) 21:12, 19 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

(Closed) RD: Sachy

Stale. SpencerT•C 01:32, 25 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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Article: Sachy (writer) (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/entertainment/malayalam/movies/news/director-scriptwriter-sachy-passes-away/articleshow/76450915.cms
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Nominator's comments: I came across it trending on Twitter news JHunterJ (talk) 13:53, 19 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]
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(Closed) Facebook acquires Mapillary

Consensus will not emerge to post this. Black Kite (talk) 21:13, 19 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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Article: Mapillary (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ Facebook buys crowdsouced mapping company Mapillary. (Post)
News source(s): Reuters, U.S. News
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 EugεnS¡m¡on 13:27, 19 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]
"Routine" awards shows recognize achievement in a field. "Routine" elections are about choosing a government or head of state. This is just a routine business transaction. 331dot (talk) 16:04, 19 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]
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(Posted) RD: Ian Holm

Article: Ian Holm (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Guardian
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Article updated
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Nominator's comments: Needs refs; BAFTA and Tony-winning actor Kingsif (talk) 12:07, 19 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

  • While I've filled out most of the filmography using the BFI citation, there's a lot of work not on there (which is fine for now), and definitely enough films/tv shows/awards nominations to create a separate filmography article if someone is so inclined. PotentPotables (talk) 13:39, 19 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • I know most of our celeb bios are in poor shape but I am really saddened by how badly Holm's is here. I don't know why actor articles get passes like this on BLP that would not fly for many politicians and just speaks of a need to stress better sourcing for them across the board. --Masem (t) 14:14, 19 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Masem Your comment appears to be in the wrong section, it should be in the Holm section. When you move it, feel free to delete this message. Joseph2302 (talk) 14:25, 19 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Yes this was an EC that I pasted back into the wrong section. Fixed now. --Masem (t) 14:32, 19 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Moving to Support (of RD only) following the work done by several. - SchroCat (talk) 09:34, 20 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

(Closed) RD: Carlos Ruiz Zafón

Stale. SpencerT•C 01:31, 25 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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Article: Carlos Ruiz Zafón (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): (The Guardian)
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Nominator's comments: Great Spanish novelist and the most read, worldwide appreciated. Death with relevant coverage in the news. Article needs improving. Alsoriano97 (talk) 10:38, 19 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]
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June 18[edit]

June 18, 2020 (2020-06-18) (Thursday)
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(Posted) RD: Jules Sedney

Article: Jules Sedney (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): De Ware Tijd from Suriname
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Nominator's comments: Sedney was the last surviving prime minister of Suriname from when it was a constituent country of the Netherlands (Dutch Guiana). He started initial independence negotiations, and served as head of the Central Bank of Suriname after independence. Joofjoof (talk) 11:10, 19 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

  • I have added some more material, and given the article some copy editing. Should be in a better shape now. Joofjoof (talk) 14:01, 19 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Support Let's nominate a pragmatic politician.KittenKlub (talk) 14:04, 19 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) UN Security Council Elections

Article: 2020 United Nations Security Council election (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ Kenya, India, Mexico, Ireland, and Norway are elected to the United Nations Security Council as non-permanent members. (Post)
News source(s): BBC NYT Reuters
Credits:

Article updated
The nominated event is listed on WP:ITN/R, so each occurrence is presumed to be important enough to post. Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article and update meet WP:ITNCRIT, not the significance.

Nominator's comments: This is ITNR, and I have expanded the article to beyond the typical length for these articles. Though I have yet to write prose for the African Group results, I plan to do that later today unless somebody else wants to do it first. Though ITNR suggests that these are sometimes posted when the new terms begin on January 1 (even though that is less newsworthy) because it is during a slow news period, we are in a slow news period right now due to COVID-19 so I see no reason not to post the actual election results. Bzweebl (talk • contribs) 09:51, 19 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

I disagree that it is clear from ITNR. Here is the exact wording: "In previous years, the item has been added to ITN when the new members take their seats (1 January) rather than when the results were announced (during October). This is because the elections are not usually heavily competitive, and 1 January is in the middle of a very slow news period every year." This year there were multiple heavily competitive elections and a slow news period when the results were announced. Additionally, that note seems to be referring to a usual practice rather than a consensus-based policy. Bzweebl (talk • contribs) 10:12, 19 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks for supporting, though I’d maintain that two close races with hard-fought campaigns, including one that went to a second round of voting, is “heavily competitive” by Security Council standards. Bzweebl (talk • contribs) 16:05, 19 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Vaalserberg is a very tall mountain by Netherlands standards. Modest Genius talk 17:06, 19 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) RD: Kirk R. Smith

Article: Kirk R. Smith (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): UC Berkeley
Credits:

Article updated
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Nominator's comments: Died on June 15, but only reported on June 18. Shared the 2007 Nobel Peace Prize for his work on the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC) report. Bloom6132 (talk) 05:17, 19 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

  • Two sentences actually. I've now placed them in their own section. —Bloom6132 (talk) 07:45, 19 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) RD: Astrid Gjertsen

Article: Astrid Gjertsen (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): [21] and [22]
Credits:

Article updated
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Nominator's comments: Former member of the Norwegian Parliament and Minister of Consumer Affairs and Administration. She resigned in 1986 due to fraudulent taxi receipts. Jon698 (talk) 22:03, 18 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

  • Reviewed my stance, and it's regretfully still oppose, given the comments describing this as "[b]are" and "still pretty bland". This is most evident in the 2-sentence long lead, which doesn't adhere to the MOS:LEADLENGTH guideline. —Bloom6132 (talk) 23:00, 19 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) RD: Jean Kennedy Smith

Article: Jean Kennedy Smith (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): NYT
Credits:

Article updated
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Nominator's comments: American diplomat, U.S. ambassador to Ireland (1993–98), and last surviving sibling of John F. Kennedy, dies at age 92. Davey2116 (talk) 11:57, 18 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted to RD, blurb discussion closed): Vera Lynn

All the usual suspects and the unusual tourists have weighed in and we are no closer to reaching a consensus. Let's move on. (non-admin) --- C&C (Coffeeandcrumbs) 00:35, 20 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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Article: Vera Lynn (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination
Blurb:  British singer and entertainer Vera Lynn (pictured) dies at the age of 103. (Post)
Alternative blurb: ​ Iconic wartime entertainer and life-long military fundraiser Vera Lynn (pictured) dies at the age of 103, a month after her 1939 single "We'll Meet Again" hit the charts again.
Alternative blurb II: ​ British World War II and life-long singer Vera Lynn (pictured) dies at the age of 103.
News source(s): BBC
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Article updated
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Nominator's comments: Couple of citations needed, but apart from that, looks good to go Joseph2302 (talk) 08:49, 18 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]
If their name is Margaret Thatcher or Nelson Mandela, they get posted as a blurb to ITN. Simple.--WaltCip-(BLM!Resist The Orange One) 14:26, 18 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]
If it helps, Lynn got 500,000 page views yesterday. A few short of Nkurunziza's total. Then again, one day in May this year, Lynn had 100,000, so we can't compare. Kingsif (talk) 07:02, 19 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]
It's quite clear what the test is. It's when there's substantial coverage of the death itself, not just standard obituaries of their life, so much so that we can have a Death and funeral of Margaret Thatcher article and a Death of Nelson Mandela article.-- P-K3 (talk) 14:45, 18 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Or a Death of Carrie Fisher ... no, wait. Black Kite (talk) 14:52, 18 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Which is precisely why that one was so controversial at the time and is generally regarded as a mistake now.-- P-K3 (talk) 15:00, 18 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Or rather, it shows that the "Thatcher/Mandela test" imposes far too high a bar on the coverage of the death. Under that test, the deaths of Prince and Stephen Hawking wouldn't have been posted because there's no Death of Prince or Death of Stephen Hawking article; but the coverage of those deaths, while not enough to merit separate articles, was very much on par with the non-death blurbs we normally post. That's why I think the test proposed by Andrew above is good, i.e., does the death blurb exceed the blurb it displaces. Davey2116 (talk) 15:17, 18 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]
I’m not saying there has to be a separate article, just that if the level of coverage and reaction to the death means there plausibly could be one, that’s a good indicator of the standard. P-K3 (talk) 15:46, 18 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]
My reason for supporting a blurb here in Wikipedia terms is that Aretha Franklin had a blurb, and Vera Lynn easily matches her stature and success to meet the blurb criteria of industry impact. If you also consider 'wartime entertainment' as an industry or at least a field of work, Vera Lynn is undeniably the very apex of such and is still the standard for comparison to other singers in the field, like Katherine Jenkins. (In less policy-based reasoning, at least in the UK, the news has overtaken both the COVID-19 news and the 80th anniversary of the Appeal of 18 June, with Lynn's songs basically the only music played on the radio all day, and it seems obvious because it's Vera Lynn). Kingsif (talk) 16:11, 18 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]
The death of Pierre Nkurunziza does not reference the Thatcher/Mandela test because the reason it was posted was that it was a change in a country's head of state. NorthernFalcon (talk) 15:33, 18 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]
I thought the death of a sitting head of state was blurb-worthy as default? Kingsif (talk) 16:11, 18 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]
It's not codified, but it's a defacto standard. --LaserLegs (talk) 16:45, 18 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment I've added an altblurb proposal with a bit more impact. It may be unusual to mention the fact about the single, but I don't think an artist has ever had a single re-release over 80 years after the original and hit the charts, still in the artist's lifetime. It's also a testament to her enduring popularity and success over that time, and still in her lifetime. (edit conflict) Kingsif (talk) 16:27, 18 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • @Muboshgu: They literally stopped reporting on COVID-19 in the UK, and barely bothered showing Emmanuel Macron visiting London for the 80th anniversary of a turning point for France in WW2 (somewhat ironically given Lynn's own support for it). The overwhelming majority of songs on the radio were Lynn's, and she got two new reflective specials on TV the same day. The government briefing opened with a tribute, and replays of the recent Queen's Speech that referenced her abounded. Apparently, similar responses in Australia and Canada happened. In short, I think you're somehow just not seeing the lots and lots of coverage that is out there. Kingsif (talk) 20:59, 18 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • There are currently six articles on the BBC website. There are even four in The Guardian. I daren't look at the tabloids. Black Kite (talk) 21:38, 18 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • The Daily Mail's front cover is "Queen 'very, very sad' over Dame Vera Lynn's death: Her Majesty sends 'deepest condolences'", and I'm surprised there's not a mention of the war. Kingsif (talk) 06:38, 19 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • See, I'd probably listen to blurb arguments for Kennedy Smith, but I have to say I wouldn't support them (based on the fact half her notability is 'Kennedy', which isn't really anything she did. Lynn, on the other hand, had a 97-year career all her own). Kingsif (talk) 02:29, 19 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]
You too are making an assumption, that Vera Lynn is purely a UK icon. Your assumption is wrong. HiLo48 (talk) 02:23, 19 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Banedon - HiLo48 is correct, think more Commonwealth than UK and you get a better idea of her area of influence. Mjroots (talk) 03:02, 19 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]
@Mjroots: You might have a narrow view of the Commonwealth. For example India is a member of the Commonwealth, and a brief look at an Indian newspaper shows no coverage. Same goes for a Nigerian newspaper, etc. Banedon (talk) 03:31, 19 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Lynn's fame is for far more than "just" music. HiLo48 (talk) 08:38, 19 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]
On second thought, oppose blurb. If Little Richard didn't get a blurb last month, I don't see why Lynn should get one now. (I would argue both should get one, but we should be consistent.) My concern about the quality of the update in Lynn's article still stands as well. Calidum 15:58, 19 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Feel free to log in.--WaltCip-(BLM!Resist The Orange One) 19:56, 19 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Ignorance is no excuse, etc... - SchroCat (talk) 20:16, 19 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]
It's not an excuse - it is implicitly saying that she's not so well known ("household name") as other people. Also, to what does the "etc" in your comment refer? Chrisclear (talk) 20:55, 19 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Do do we only have blurbs on people you have heard of? Lynn is a fairly well known individual with, as has been seen, obits and mentions of her death in papers around the world. Just because you have not heard of her does not make her any less notable, or any more or less deserving of a blurb - and I say this as someone who has opposed a blurb. If we only !vote based on ignorance then we don't do anyone any favours. - SchroCat (talk) 22:07, 19 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]
I agree, it's always mildly amusing that people think by telling us they've never heard of iconic individuals somehow strengthens their argument where all it does is undermine their commentary as being an exemplar of pure ignorance. The Rambling Man (Stay indoors, stay safe!!!!) 22:12, 19 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]
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June 17[edit]

June 17, 2020 (2020-06-17) (Wednesday)
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(Closed) RD: Tariq Aziz

Closed, too late. The Rambling Man (Stay indoors, stay safe!!!!) 19:53, 23 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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Article: Tariq Aziz (Pakistani personality) (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): [25][26][27][28][29]
Credits:

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.
 Ainty Painty (talk) 17:17, 18 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]
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(Closed) RD: Rayshard Brooks

Not going up as an RD, consensus strongly against a blurb --LaserLegs (talk) 12:07, 18 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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Article: Rayshard Brooks (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination
Blurb:  The officers involved in the Killing of Rayshard Brooks were issued warrants. (Post)
Alternative blurb: ​ none, would just be "recent death"
News source(s): [31][32][33][34][35]
Credits:

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Nominator's comments: 10 warrants were just issued in the case of Rayshard Brooks. It seems that this article has not been updated, but once it has I think it would be suited to be In the News. NOTE: AS OF WHEN I AM POSTING THIS, THIS IS STILL RELATIVELY NEW.  P,TO 19104 (talk) (contributions) 19:58, 17 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]
@Davey2116:Yes, you are correct the article is actually entitled the Killing of Rayshard Brooks, but I think this still falls under R.D. criteria. The R.D. tag could be removed if there is enough consensus. P,TO 19104 (talk) (contributions) 20:55, 17 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]
I am not sure exactly what you mean, but I think I agree with you. P,TO 19104 (talk) (contributions) 20:55, 17 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]
I'd support this too. Maybe something like
Protests break out across the United States and elsewhere following the police killings of George Floyd in Minneapolis and Rayshard Brooks in Atlanta.
If we're going with this, then it'd be good to have a section in the protests article about Rayshard Brooks. Davey2116 (talk) 21:02, 17 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Yes. P,TO 19104 (talk) (contributions) 21:04, 17 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Just the thing is that the George Floyd is a little too old to be in the news. I obviously would be ok with keeping the George Flyod part but what if we made it about the officers involved having warrants issued? Ex:
The officers involved in the Killing of Rayshard Brooks were issued warrants on June 6th.
P,TO 19104 (talk) (contributions) 21:12, 17 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]
I am open to both! P,TO 19104 (talk) (contributions) 21:30, 17 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]
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(Posted) RD: Willie Thorne

Article: Willie Thorne (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): BBC Sport
Credits:

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

 Mjroots (talk) 09:34, 17 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Cite the red links, scroll back. Sources for the yellow, green, brown, blue, pink, and black... Lugnuts Fire Walk with Me 12:22, 17 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Poor Willie Thorne, his hair's all gawn. Perhaps I aught to chalk it. Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski (talk • contribs) 17:39, 17 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]
The events all link to their own articles which are cited. Obviously not ideal, but possibly satisfactory. GreatCaesarsGhost 15:23, 17 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]
This has, sadly, been a long standing issue with these particular graphs. However, as stated, they are implicitly cited to the articles themselves. Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski (talk • contribs) 17:37, 17 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

(Closed) RD: Eduardo Cojuangco Jr.

Too late. The Rambling Man (Stay indoors, stay safe!!!!) 19:53, 23 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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Article: Eduardo Cojuangco Jr. (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): ABS-CBN News; Manila Bulletin
Credits:

Article updated
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Nominator's comments: Former chairman and CEO of San Miguel Corporation. LSGH (talk) (contributions) 00:48, 17 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]
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June 16[edit]

June 16, 2020 (2020-06-16) (Tuesday)
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(Closed) RD: Mohammad Asghar

Too late. The Rambling Man (Stay indoors, stay safe!!!!) 19:54, 23 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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Article: Mohammad Asghar (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Wales Online, BBC, ITV
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Nominator's comments: Welsh politician, died in office. PCN02WPS (talk | contribs) 18:19, 17 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]
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(Posted) RD: Mike McCormick (pitcher)

Article: Mike McCormick (pitcher) (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Associated Press; San Francisco Chronicle; MLB.com
Credits:

Article updated
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Nominator's comments: Died on June 13, but only reported on June 16. Bloom6132 (talk) 20:04, 16 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

(Closed) Bombing of the Inter-Korean Liaison Office

Consensus will not develop to post the demolition of a building. Stephen 00:54, 17 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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Articles: Inter-Korean Liaison Office (talk · history · tag) and Bombing of the Inter-Korean Liaison Office (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ On 16 June 2020, North Korea blows up the Inter-Korean Liaison Office which was established in association with South Korea, resulting in tensions between the two countries (Post)
Alternative blurb: ​ North Korea blows up the Inter-Korean Liaison Office.
News source(s): BBC, BBC, NDTV
Credits:

Article updated
Nominator's comments: Currently developing Abishe (talk) 11:46, 16 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]
That's fundamentally flimsy crystalballery. Nothing's going to happen. Nothing ever happens. Even with the infamous Singapore summit, nothing got done, and the Hanoi summit was even more worthless. I'm waiting to see boots on the ground enter another country before we can say there's any actual global implications. --WaltCip (talk) 18:02, 16 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]
No need to get scatological about it, 54129. – Sca (talk) 18:37, 16 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]
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(Posted) RD: John Madigan

Article: John Madigan (politician) (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Sydney Morning Herald
Credits:

Article updated
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Nominator's comments: Australian, former Senator died aged 53, complications from cancer. Looks a decently referenced candidate for RD JW 1961 Talk 10:55, 16 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

June 15[edit]

June 15, 2020 (2020-06-15) (Monday)
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(Posted) Maria Ressa conviction

Article: People of the Philippines v. Santos, Ressa and Rappler (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ In the Philippines, Rappler CEO Maria Ressa is convicted of cyberlibel. (Post)
Alternative blurb: ​ In the Philippines, Rappler CEO Maria Ressa becomes the second person to be convicted of cyberlibel.
Alternative blurb II: ​ As part of a "pattern of intimidation" against the Philippine press, Rappler executive editor Maria Ressa is convicted of cyberlibel.
News source(s): NYT AP
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Article updated

Nominator's comments: I'm a non-Filipino who has only read a couple articles about this just now and I understand it is a controversial subject so feel free to correct me if wrong, but it appears that she is the most prominent journalist in the Philippines and this outcome is a new low for press freedom under Duterte. The National Union of Journalists of the Philippines said the verdict "basically kills freedom of speech and of the press." Bzweebl (talk • contribs) 03:40, 16 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

@Bzweebl: Wow, thanks for including my article in the nom! (People of the Philippines v. Santos, Ressa and Rappler) I wish I had more time to work on it tonight... Psiĥedelisto (talk • contribs) please always ping! 04:13, 16 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Of course, thanks for creating it! Watching your Rappler interview now :) Bzweebl (talk • contribs) 05:28, 16 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Indeed, there is a non-zero chance I will become the third person convicted of cyberlibel and the first in absentia. Lucky me—quite the exclusive club! Psiĥedelisto (talk • contribs) please always ping! 05:55, 16 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Oh wow I totally missed that part of the story, I was watching an old interview. I hope there will be change in the Philippines soon and you have the option to safely return in the future. Bzweebl (talk • contribs) 06:08, 16 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]
I added background about the cyberlibel law to the beginning of the arrest section, and there already is information about the article in question in that same paragraph. I agree that the case would be a better target if expanded, but I don't know of any reason why there would be a problem with using Ressa's article as the target. Bzweebl (talk • contribs) 19:14, 16 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]
@LaserLegs: FYI, People of the Philippines v. Rappler, et al. was expanded and is now the target. Psiĥedelisto (talk • contribs) please always ping! 23:26, 18 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]
The case will be appealed. I understand both positions on this, as right now is probably when the story will receive the most news coverage but if it is not a certainty the verdict will be upheld then it could make sense to wait in some cases. Bzweebl (talk • contribs) 19:44, 16 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Added an altblurb that vaguely tries to do that. Note that although this is the second conviction, the notability of the event is largely because of her fame. I fixed the CN tags. Bzweebl (talk • contribs) 02:09, 17 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]
@Bzweebl: You aren't overreacting at all. Psiĥedelisto (talk • contribs) please always ping! 11:05, 17 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]
There's some bias derived from the lack of clarity for foreign editors. Speaking for myself, I would not support a short article with CNs. Separately, I also refrain from meaningless votes, such as opposing an article with no support (as in this case). This is more of a "wait" vote. GreatCaesarsGhost 14:06, 17 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Yeah completely agreed, I had no problem with your comment. My “notwithstanding” was meant to be interpreted as “aside from” rather than “despite.” Bzweebl (talk • contribs) 17:43, 17 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]
I disagree Robertsky. I edit in the area of Philippine law extensively. Cases drag on for years. This is when it's getting a lot of attention. There is a chance that the case will never be back in the news. For example, Duterte could lose and a new Congress could repeal the law, rendering the case moot and academic. If Duterte remains in power, this case is very unlikely to be overturned on appeal. See Disini v. Secretary of Justice, the Court approves of this law. It will first go to the Court of Appeals, where it is almost certain that Judge Estacio-Montesa's ruling will be upheld. Actually, I'm concerned the CA will find Rappler corporately liable to. Then, the SC will hear it, and they won't be sympathetic. Psiĥedelisto (talk • contribs) please always ping! 11:05, 17 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]
@Brigade Piron and Bzweebl: Please take a look at ALT2. I spent all night expanding People of the Philippines v. Santos, Ressa and Rappler, and hope that this will be posted sooner rather than later. Psiĥedelisto (talk • contribs) please always ping! 15:35, 18 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]
@Psiĥedelisto: The standards are different for RD and blurb nominations. RD is more or less automatic assuming that the article quality is up to scratch. A couple of supports with no opposition and the posting admins own review being positive is generally enough. However, blurbs have a higher bar and require a clear consensus that I am not seeing here. -Ad Orientem (talk) 23:29, 18 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]
@Ad Orientem: Oh, okay. Thank you for that explanation. Excuse my ignorance, turns out I really was missing something major about how ITN operates. Psiĥedelisto (talk • contribs) please always ping! 23:33, 18 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]
No problem and thank you for your contributions to the project. -Ad Orientem (talk) 23:45, 18 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]
I prefer Alternative blurb II to be used in the ITN, though it might be less neutral, so I'm also fine with the first Alternative blurb. It might be better anyway for the first Alternative blurb to be used, as I don't want to see another stupid social media post, this time calling Wikipedia "delawan" (Filipino for yellowtard). The main blurb is too dull and downplays the significance of this event, so I would oppose using that. --Pandakekok9 (talk) 02:22, 19 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]
It seems Stephen changed it to match with the main blurb, instead of alt 1 which is the consensus formed here. Can't blame him though, because he based it on Wikipedia:Main Page/Errors#Errors with In the news (permalink). But it would have been better if they had consulted us first. Pandakekok9 (talk) 02:52, 20 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) 2020 China–India skirmishes

Article: 2020 China–India skirmishes (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ Five Chinese and three Indian soldiers die in hand to hand combat during an ongoing border dispute in Ladakh. (Post)
Alternative blurb: ​ Five Chinese soldiers and three Indian soldiers are killed in hand to hand combat during border skirmishes in Ladakh which started on 5 May 2020.
Alternative blurb II: ​ Three Indian, and five Chinese soldiers are killed in a border skirmish.
Alternative blurb III: ​ Skirmishes along the Line of Actual Control between China and India result in multiple deaths.
News source(s): BBC, NDTV, Washington Post
Credits:

Article updated

Nominator's comments: "The deaths are believed to be the first in decades in a confrontation between the two powers"BBC, "not a single shot has been fired between the two countries along the border for over 50 years" (SCMP) DTM (talk) 08:49, 16 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) SCOTUS rules on Title VII for gays/transgender

Posted and consensus will remain as such. No need for further commentary. Stephen 02:53, 16 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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Article: Bostock v. Clayton County, Georgia (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ In a landmark case, the U.S. Supreme Court rules that Title VII employment protections of the 1964 Civil Rights Act include protections for gay and transgender individuals. (Post)
Alternative blurb: ​ The U.S. Supreme Court rules that gay and transgender people are protected from employment discrimination.
News source(s): CNN, BBC, AP, NYT, WX Post, L.A. Times, Reuters, AFP
Credits:

Article updated
Nominator's comments: I know that US is by far not the first country /region with LBGT/Trans rights for employees, and we don't want to be going to track every country w/ employment rights as w/ marriage, but in the current climate (adding that it is Pride Month by coincidence) this is a extremely surprising and important decision. I am waiting for some more analysis from 3rd parties on the salient points on the decision to flesh out that but its all updated (I've been tending to this and the two related cases). Masem (t) 15:10, 15 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Those 21 states represent at least 2/3 of the population. -Ad Orientem (talk) 19:27, 15 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]
But half of all LQBTQ people in the US live in states with no employment protection. Whichever way you try and spin it this is a significant ruling.-- P-K3 (talk) 20:22, 15 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Support How many people live in Burundi? Maybe we should make a rule that editors shouldn't oppose an item because the event is only relating to a single country. This argument applies to a high percentage of the content we post and is unproductive. GreatCaesarsGhost 21:12, 15 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]
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June 14[edit]

June 14, 2020 (2020-06-14) (Sunday)

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  • At least 19 people are killed and more than 172 injured Saturday after a liquefied gas tanker exploded on a Chinese highway near the city of Wenling. Close to 100 fire trucks responded. Some people are still missing. (UPI)

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(Posted) RD: Pierre Lumbi

Article: Pierre Lumbi (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Reuters
Credits:

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Nominator's comments: Congolese politician. COVID. - Indefensible (talk) 01:23, 18 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) RD: Noel Kelly (rugby league)

Article: Noel Kelly (rugby league) (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): The Sydney Morning Herald; National Rugby League
Credits:

Article updated
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(Posted) RD: Sushant Singh Rajput

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Article: Sushant Singh Rajput (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): indiatoday
Credits:

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 Actor Sushant Singh Rajput Commits Suicide Mr.Mani Raj Paul - talk 09:44, 14 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

June 13[edit]

June 13, 2020 (2020-06-13) (Saturday)
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(Closed) Polish invasion of Czech Republic

Consensus will not develop to post. Stephen 02:56, 16 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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Article: Polish invasion of Czech Republic (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ The Polish Defence ministry admitted the accidental invasion of the Czech Republic. (Post)
Alternative blurb: ​ Poland accidentally invades the Czech Republic.
News source(s): [36][37]
Credits:
 Chuka Chief (talk) 19:30, 15 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]
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(Closed) Ongoing Removal: 2019–20 Hong Kong protests

No consensus to remove at this time. Stephen 01:26, 17 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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Article: 2019–20 Hong Kong protests (talk · history · tag)
Ongoing item removal (Post)
Nominator's comments: Main article stale. June timeline "sub-article" is orange tagged for refs and the only update since June 6th is a one-liner on the 12th "Police detained dozens of protesters as crowds gathered to mark the anniversary of the start of the protests.". Stale. Not being regularly updated with new, pertinent information as stipulated in Wikipedia:In_the_news#Ongoing_section. LaserLegs (talk) 00:01, 14 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Because there was opposition to putting the security law article up. Would you suggest that goes in ongoing instead? Kingsif (talk) 14:12, 15 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]
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June 12[edit]

June 12, 2020 (2020-06-12) (Friday)
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(Stale) RD: Kirvan Fortuin

Article: Kirvan Fortuin (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Independent Online (South Africa), RTL Nieuws (Netherlands)
Credits:

Article updated
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Nominator's comments: South African dancer and LGBTQI activist, stabbed to death. Fram (talk) 08:41, 15 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

(Stale) RD: Ali Hadi

Article: Ali Hadi (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): The AFC, Goal.com
Credits:

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Nominator's comments: Iraqi football player and manager, who died on 12 June 2020 after contracting COVID-19. Nehme1499 (talk) 23:18, 14 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) RD: Ricky Valance

Article: Ricky Valance (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): BBC News
Credits:

Article updated
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 Bloom6132 (talk) 04:06, 13 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

I've added a brief paragraph, but the sourcing could be better. Ghmyrtle (talk) 19:09, 13 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Support Much better, thanks. P-K3 (talk) 22:58, 13 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

(Closed) Lebanon protests

Unlikely to gain consensus. --qedk (t 愛 c) 20:39, 15 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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Article: 2019–2020 Lebanese protests (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ Soldiers deployed to calm renewed protests in Lebanon are attacked by protestors as the Lebanese pound begins to nosedive. (Post)
News source(s): BBC
Credits:

Article updated
Nominator's comments: Long article, but in good shape. Kingsif (talk) 00:25, 13 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]
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(Posted) RD: Lino Esterino Garavaglia

Article: Lino Esterino Garavaglia (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): [38]
Credits:

Article updated
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Nominator's comments: Catholic bishop who served as the bishop of Tivoli and Cesena-Sarsina which both have over 160,000 people. Jon698 (talk) 18:48 12 June 2020 (UTC)

@Bloom6132: Fixed. Please review your position or make further comments. —Jon698 (talk) 08:20 13 June 2020 (UTC)
Your updated lead makes it sound like he only became bishop in the 1990s, when in fact he was consecrated in 1986. Also, what's with the bizarre terminology? Bishops don't get "elected" (they're appointed), nor do they "enter the diocese" (also inaccurate, since he was already there as its coadjutor). Was this just crudely translated off one of the existing foreign language versions? —Bloom6132 (talk) 09:11, 13 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]
@Bloom6132: Sorry it is 4 a.m. where I am. I did not translate from the Italian page and instead translated Italian news articles about him. The "elected" part is just a force of habit because I usually edit politician articles lmao. —Jon698 (talk) 09:49 13 June 2020 (UTC)
@Jon698: No worries. My apologies that my question came across as kinda brash. It's just that if this had been translated from other language Wikimedia projects, it would have required attribution per WP:TFOLWP. Striking my oppose now. —Bloom6132 (talk) 10:12, 13 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Changing to weak oppose in light of TRM's comments. —Bloom6132 (talk) 11:48, 14 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]
@Bloom6132: @The Rambling Man: Okay I have made some edits to the page. How does it look now? — Jon698 (talk) 20:32 14 June 2020 (UTC)
It's definitely better. Sources need publishers or works (e.g. newspaper/magazine etc) to be added though. The Rambling Man (Stay indoors, stay safe!!!!) 20:42, 14 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]
@The Rambling Man: Done. — Jon698 (talk) 20:58 14 June 2020 (UTC)
Weak support okay, it's much better than it was, still a CV basically but more comprehensive and reasonably well formatted. The Rambling Man (Stay indoors, stay safe!!!!) 21:02, 14 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) RD: William S. Sessions

Article: William S. Sessions (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): San Antonio Express-News
Credits:

Article updated
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Nominator's comments: Former FBI director and federal judge Bloom6132 (talk) 21:54, 12 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) RD: Carl Brewer (politician)

Article: Carl Brewer (politician) (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): [39]
Credits:

Article updated
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Nominator's comments: The first elected black mayor of Wichita, Kansas Jon698 (talk) 18:48 12 June 2020 (UTC)

(Posted) RD: Perfecto Yasay Jr.

Article: Perfecto Yasay Jr. (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Philippine Daily Inquirer; Manila Bulletin; ABS-CBN News; Philippine Star; GMA News
Credits:

Article updated
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Nominator's comments: Former Secretary of Foreign Affairs of the Philippines. Passed away due to "pneumonia caused by the recurrence of his cancer", but not COVID-19. LSGH (talk) (contributions) 05:06, 12 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Support - tags have indeed been taken care of. Good work Howard the Duck. Pinging Bloom6132 who had similar concerns to mine. PCN02WPS (talk | contribs) 19:02, 12 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

June 11[edit]

June 11, 2020 (2020-06-11) (Thursday)
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(Closed) United States imposes sanctions on the International Criminal Court

Consensus strongly against this. The Rambling Man (Stay indoors, stay safe!!!!) 05:54, 14 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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Article: International Criminal Court (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ United States imposes sanctions on the International Criminal Court (Post)
Alternative blurb: ​ United States imposes sanctions on International Criminal Court officials
News source(s): [40][41]
Credits:

Article updated
 Hawkeye7 (discuss) 04:30, 13 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]
An important development. ITN-worthy. El_C 05:11, 13 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]
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(Closed) RD: Dennis O'Neil

Stale. The Rambling Man (Stay indoors, stay safe!!!!) 20:23, 14 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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Article: Dennis O'Neil (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): New York Post, GamesRadar+
Credits:

Article updated
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Nominator's comments: American comic book writer and editor for Marvel and DC. PCN02WPS (talk | contribs) 19:39, 12 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]
@Ad Orientem: if you could point out the gaps, I'd be happy to add sources. PCN02WPS (talk | contribs) 04:36, 13 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]
@PCN02WPS: I've added cn tags where I think claims need sources and I tagged the entire bibliography section which is essentially unsourced. -Ad Orientem (talk) 04:47, 13 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]
@KConWiki: There are 942 articles in Category:American comics writers; I'll try to find one with a good bibliography. Admittedly, I know very little about comic books. PCN02WPS (talk | contribs) 16:09, 14 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks PCN - I know something about comics (and from that knowledge I formed my opinion of the significance of Denny O'Neil) but one thing I have never really pursued is the appropriate citations for a comics bibliography on WP. There are numerous that I have looked at that do not have citations, so I am pursuing opinions here about what is needed for a good bibliography citation. Thanks for all you do WP and thanks for your interest in O'Neil. KConWiki (talk) 17:01, 14 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]
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(Posted) RD: Rosa Maria Sardà

Article: Rosa Maria Sardà (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): (El País)
Credits:

Article updated
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Nominator's comments: One of the most recognized and awarded Spanish actresses. The article is a mess, but I'm working on it with what little free time I have Alsoriano97 (talk) 11:10, 11 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) RD: Emmanuel Issoze-Ngondet

Article: Emmanuel Issoze-Ngondet (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Jeune Afrique, Gabon Actu
Credits:

Article updated
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Nominator's comments: Prime minister of Gabon until last year, died from an asthmatic crisis (but not Covid-19, apparently). Article looks fully sourced. Fram (talk) 08:56, 11 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

June 10[edit]

June 10, 2020 (2020-06-10) (Wednesday)
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(Posted) RD: Claudell Washington

Article: Claudell Washington (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Associated Press; NBC Sports; San Francisco Chronicle
Credits:

Article updated
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(Posted) RD: Rosita Fornés

Article: Rosita Fornés (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Sun Sentinel, Miami Herald
Credits:

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Nominator's comments: Cuban American actress. - Indefensible (talk) 02:32, 11 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) RD: Pau Donés

Article: Pau Donés (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): (Fox News)
Credits:

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Nominator's comments: Popular singer for various generations in Spain. Death reported also in American, Italian, Portuguese newspapers. Article in good shape. - Alsoriano97 (talk) 21:00, 10 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

(Closed) Olof Palme assassination verdict

Consensus will not develop to post. Stephen 03:08, 11 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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Article: Assassination of Olof Palme (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ Swedish prosecutor names Stig Engström as the perpetrator of assassination of Olof Palme and closes the related investigation. (Post)
News source(s): BBC, News.az
Credits:

Article updated
Nominator's comments: Although the identification reportedly was not conclusive, this looks like a historical step. Brandmeistertalk 16:14, 10 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]
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(Approved) Ongoing consensus: George Floyd protests

Closed in favour of rolling into Ongoing, but as noted, it may take a while in which case this may need to be re-visited in any case. The Rambling Man (Stay indoors, stay safe!!!!) 11:53, 10 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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Article: George Floyd protests (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: No blurb specified (Post)
Credits:

Article updated
Nominator's comments: The protests are now at the bottom of the box and may soon roll off. This thread should discuss whether the protests should automatically move into ongoing once the blurb has been rolled. I know this will almost certainly be complete support, but it's better to have this made explicit for when an admin adds a new blurb to the page.  Nixinova   T   C   06:22, 10 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]
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(Closed) Assault on Martin Gugino

Not a chance of there being consensus for this. Stephen 05:34, 10 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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Article: Assault on Martin Gugino (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ After the assault on Martin Gugiono by police, President Trump promotes unfounded conspiracy theory. (Post)
Credits:
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June 9[edit]

June 9, 2020 (2020-06-09) (Tuesday)

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(Closed) RD: Joseph Rizzo

Come back when there's an article. Stephen 04:05, 10 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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Article: Joseph Rizzo (fire commissioner) (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Philadelphia Inquirer
Credits:

Article needs updating
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Nominator's comments: Article does not exist, but should. There is already another Joseph Rizzo on WP. 73.81.116.68 (talk) 01:01, 10 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]
If there's no article, there's nothing for us to assess, let alone post. – Muboshgu (talk) 01:11, 10 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]
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(Posted) Pierre Nkurunziza

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Article: Pierre Nkurunziza (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ President Pierre Nkurunziza of Burundi dies of a heart attack. (Post)
Alternative blurb: ​ Incumbent Burundi President Pierre Nkurunziza dies of a heart attack.
News source(s): https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-africa-52984119
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Nominator's comments: No, the article is nowhere near acceptable. Nominating as sudden death of elected head of state. KTC (talk) 14:45, 9 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Support Now that the issues have been addressed. Though the article is a bit short it should suffice. Gotitbro (talk) 02:37, 10 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Post-posting support article improvement is impressive, blurb is certainly the right move here. PCN02WPS (talk | contribs) 19:53, 10 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

June 8[edit]

June 8, 2020 (2020-06-08) (Monday)

Armed conflicts and attacks

Business and economy

  • Multinational energy company BP announces in a conference call that it is cutting 15% of its workforce, which is roughly 10,000 jobs. (Reuters)

Health and environment

(Posted) RD: Manuel Felguérez

Article: Manuel Felguérez (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Fahrenheit Magazine
Credits:

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Nominator's comments: Mexican artist. - Indefensible (talk) 05:53, 9 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) RD: Tony Dunne

Article: Tony Dunne (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): BBC
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Article updated
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Nominator's comments: Long-serving Manchester United and Ireland footballer. Needs more work, which I'm going to look at now. Looks satisfactory now. Black Kite (talk) 23:03, 8 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

June 7[edit]

June 7, 2020 (2020-06-07) (Sunday)
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Law and crime

Politics and elections

(Posted) RD: Hubert Gagnon

Article: Hubert Gagnon (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): CTV News / Canadian Press; CBC Radio-Canada (in French); Le Journal de Montréal (in French)
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Article updated
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Nominator's comments: Voice actor who dubbed Homer in the French version of The Simpsons. Bloom6132 (talk) 15:19, 9 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) RD: Frank Bey

Article: Frank Bey (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): American Blues Scene
Credits:

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Nominator's comments: American musician. - Indefensible (talk) 06:32, 9 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) RD: Kurt Thomas (gymnast)

Article: Kurt Thomas (gymnast) (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Associated Press; The New York Times; The Indianapolis Star
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Article updated
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Nominator's comments: Died on June 5, but only reported on June 7. Bloom6132 (talk) 08:52, 8 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

(Closed) Statue of Edward Colston

Consensus is not going to form for this to be posted. Black Kite (talk) 22:44, 8 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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Article: Statue of Edward Colston (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ During a Black Lives Matter protest, a statue of Edward Colston (pictured) is pulled down and thrown into the harbour at Bristol, United Kingdom. (Post)
Alternative blurb: ​ During global protests of the killing of George Floyd, a statue of Edward Colston (pictured) is pulled down and thrown into the harbour at Bristol, United Kingdom.
News source(s): BBC, CNN
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Article updated
 Mjroots (talk) 02:15, 8 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]
I'm wondering how this is local news when this occurred as a result of a protest protesting an event in the United States. 331dot (talk) 10:27, 8 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]
The Black Lives Matter campaign is global, and predates George Floyd's death. The campaign against the Colston statue is also long-established in Bristol - for at least 25 years. So, it's disingenuous to link the toppling of the statue too closely with recent events in the US - the two campaigns have come together and of course are related to each other, but the toppling did not occur simply "as a result of" the US events. It's more complicated than that. Ghmyrtle (talk) 10:53, 8 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]
It is more complicated than that, but it's a safe bet to conclude that this statue would not have been toppled and tossed into the harbour in this fashion were it not for the sad events in the US. The Rambling Man (Stay indoors, stay safe!!!!) 11:01, 8 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Brigade Piron If the statue is not notable, then you should propose the deletion of the article and also ask the BBC to stop covering it. This statue has a long history and efforts to remove it did not start with the BLM protests, but did end with it. 331dot (talk) 11:19, 8 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]
331dot, that does not follow at all. I note the article for Statue of Edward Colston was created only yesterday and I very much doubt it would have met the WP:GNG if it had not been pulled down. As it happens, I do think that an article on the subject (as opposed to an entry elsewhere) is premature and an example of WP:RECENTISM. —Brigade Piron (talk) 11:35, 8 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]
There's plenty of sources from years past already cited in the article. WP:BEFORE doesn't get much easier.—Bagumba (talk) 11:43, 8 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]
The statue is clearly notable - not only because of yesterday's events, and not only because many Grade II listed buildings have articles, but also because of the controversy that has developed about the statue over several decades. But that does not necessarily mean that this story is sufficiently notable for the main page. Ghmyrtle (talk) 11:47, 8 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]
This sort of jaw-dropping mentality is exactly why British and American Wikipedians won't see eye-to-eye on ITN.--WaltCip (talk) 12:00, 8 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]
@WaltCip: As it happens, I am a British Wikipedian but I am also very conscious of WP:BIAS. What is your point? —Brigade Piron (talk) 12:58, 8 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Scale and significance matter. A statue in Bristol does not equate to Nelson's Column. Ghmyrtle (talk) 12:29, 8 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]
The fact that the felling of this statue made the news is proof as to its significance. And it's a good article. What more is needed?--WaltCip (talk) 12:31, 8 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Not everything that makes a national news goes on the main page here, obviously. Ghmyrtle (talk) 12:35, 8 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]
That change ("...and elsewhere") was made earlier. Ghmyrtle (talk) 16:23, 8 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]
I guess I missed that update, then. ~ Cyclonebiskit (chat) 16:25, 8 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]
It's all there in the template's history. Mjroots (talk) 16:35, 8 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • They were all just collectively testing their vision to make sure they weren't suffering from symptoms.--WaltCip (talk) 16:30, 8 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Age discrimination is prohibited by Title VII of the U.S. Civil Rights Act of 1964, and is logically invalid. – Sca (talk) 18:40, 8 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • The idea is that you treat it like an individual event in the UK, as it is still that unusual and shocking thing and a story on its own. Kingsif (talk) 20:16, 8 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]
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(Posted) RD: Chiranjeevi Sarja

Article: Chiranjeevi Sarja (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): CNN, Deccan Chronicle
Credits:

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Nominator's comments: notable Indian actor. PCN02WPS (talk | contribs) 19:19, 7 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

*Comment needs references in "Early life" section and the filmography, will support when these are fixed JW 1961 Talk 19:47, 7 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

  • Support now fixed, good work updating refs JW 1961 Talk 13:28, 9 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

June 6[edit]

June 6, 2020 (2020-06-06) (Saturday)
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Law and crime

Politics and elections

(Posted) RD: Reche Caldwell

Article: Reche Caldwell (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Independent Online (South Africa), Het Nieuwsblad (Dutch language, Belgium), Mundo Deportivo (Spain)
Credits:

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Unexpected, violent death. Article seems well-sourced but please check and tag where needed. I have given the name of the first updater (with sources), but many others contributed as well (I did not contribute, I only nominate this one). Fram (talk) 15:57, 8 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

(Stale) RD: Clayton Bailey

Article: Clayton Bailey (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): SF chronicle
Credits:

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Significant SF Bay-Area based ceramicist and sculptor, main figure in Nut art movement, used recycled materials. --Wil540 art (talk) 11:48, 10 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

June 5[edit]

June 5, 2020 (2020-06-05) (Friday)
Armed conflicts and attacks

Disasters and accidents
  • A three-alarm fire causes major damage to Amazon's distribution center in Redlands, California. Despite the extent of the damage and the collapse of the roof, no injuries are reported as the staff was safely evacuated. The cause of the fire is currently under investigation. (CNN)

Health and environment

Law and crime

Politics and elections

(Closed) RD: Rupert Hine

Stale. SpencerT•C 13:51, 11 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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(Posted) RD: George V. Murry[edit]

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(Closed) Black Lives Matter mural in Washington, DC[edit]

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(Closed) Pandemic has made US billionaires $565 billion richer[edit]

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(Closed) Doubts on reliability of Surgisphere data[edit]

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Suggest amend blurb to highlight that retracted articles influenced WHO decision on hydroxycholoroquine. Maybe After prompting the WHO to cancel drug trials, unreliable Surgisphere data studies are retracted. Paul W (talk) 11:51, 5 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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June 4[edit]

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(Posted) RD: Marcello Abbado[edit]

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Siege of Tripoli lifted[edit]

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My conversion to prose was reverted, so it's back to proseline. I'll let others decide which format is more suitable. Modest Genius talk 12:27, 6 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]
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The GNA didn't really 'recapture' Tripoli though; most of it was never lost, just the southern suburbs and the airport (if I'm understanding the article correctly). Modest Genius talk 12:27, 6 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) Readd to Ongoing: 2019–20 Hong Kong protests[edit]

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  • Two of the last three blurb noms are for Hong Kong, and another two lower down, with the general response being 'HK should be in the box, but as ongoing'. It gets nommed for ongoing, and your argument is that readers won't know why it's in the box now - for such a complex situation, one article may not be so obvious, but it's the main article tying all the current events together. To make it clear why the protests have picked up again, we'd need about four blurbs. Can you see a circle? Just stick with the easy option - article with lots of relevant subpages (that are right by the top!) to ongoing. A reader will see 'Hong Kong protests' in ongoing and think 'ah, so the HK protests have started up again'. Kingsif (talk) 01:25, 5 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]
That's why I said "knowledgeable about the topic" – meaning one who could judge what the salient events were. We don't need to see every incremental detail of this long saga. – Sca (talk) 14:57, 5 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]
100% agree. Not here, somewhere else, we need to work on some type of system for when we get stuck in this type of "hyperreporting" mode (where editors are documenting details without thought to longevity, as to at least collect sources) so that editors go back to trim down to more essentials. These protests, the COVID pages, the Floyd protests, and many many more articles need this 20/20 hindsight fix. I would not penalize a topic at ongoing ITN for not having this done while it is actually still ongoing news in reality but it is a point to keep in mind as you say. --Masem (t) 15:21, 5 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]
I have no idea if this story is "important" or not because this WP:COATRACK of an article is too busy giving WP:UNDUE weight to the agitators and not enough describing actual protests. Even the much lauded "sub articles" don't describe a single actual protest march in detail, but they do go on and on about various MPs, international response, and public statements from agitators. The article(s) are complete turds about something that's largely a non-event and these sorts of "hyper edits" are what's going to make it nearly impossible for me to crowbar this shit off the main page when every time I try POV warriors who otherwise ignore the box pop up out of the floor boards to exclaim "Keep - VERY IMPORTANT, updated yesterday, still in the news". Every single time without fail. --LaserLegs (talk) 22:49, 6 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

(Closed) 31st anniversary of the 1989 Tiananmen Square protests[edit]

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  • Added "event" to the blurb. Support this blurb over the other one, though I’d abstain from taking sides on this event. RedBulbBlueBlood9911Talk 03:02, 5 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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(Posted) Norilsk diesel spill[edit]

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Support iff 2020 Norilsk oil spill is the bold link. That article is short but informative and meets our minimum criteria. Modest Genius talk 15:34, 5 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • I have expanded the details in the article. The Norilsk article seems the best place for this currently as it provides lots of context about this unusual place – notable as the mostly northerly city and also one of the most polluted places on the planet. The article also gives details of the previous spill in 2016 which turned another river red. The river system does not seem to be well covered on Wikipedia currently but I have made a start by creating Ambarnaya. Andrew🐉(talk) 13:27, 4 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Jayron32 placed some tags and I resolved them all so there are none now. Andrew🐉(talk) 09:11, 5 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • That separate article was created by cut/paste of the existing content without any attribution and that's a copyright violation, contrary to WP:PLAGIARISM. I reverted but the content has been put back. For ITN purposes, I reckon that the Norilsk article is still best because it is a substantial article with lots of good context. Andrew🐉(talk) 10:04, 5 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • I don't claim the text I copied over as my own work. Copying from one article on Wikipedia to another related article on Wikipedia to create a new article is pretty standard, it happens every day and is well with the rules AFAIK. It could be misconstrued as plagiarism, but we're all writing under Creative Commons here and the same references were kept in place. I'm sorry to have brushed you up the wrong way, I hope we can work together resulting in one central article that befits the gravity of the incident. DieRadfahrerin (talk) 10:21, 5 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Andrew's right, a pure copy/paste is a violation of the Creative Commons licensing which requires correct attribution and when your edit introduces a bunch of text from another article and you don't allow that attribution to be determined, that's bad. It certainly is not "well within the rules". If I reuse text from other articles (even if I'm normally just about the sole author), I add something similar to what you find at Talk:The Boat Race 2019 by way of attribution, i.e. permalinks to the article from which the text was taken and the version of the article it was inserted into. Just plain manners if nothing else. The Rambling Man (Stay indoors, stay safe!!!!) 12:10, 5 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Points taken. I have added attribution in the edit history, and on the talk page as suggested. DieRadfahrerin (talk) 12:20, 5 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • The stub is now better attributed (see above), and has additional material. DieRadfahrerin (talk) 12:20, 5 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • The size of the spill is comparable with the Exxon Valdez oil spill which also took place in the far north and was thought to be a big deal. Also, it's not a one-off as Norilsk is routinely generating huge amounts of pollution of various kinds. Putin seems to think it's a big deal -- hence the state of emergency and imprisonment of the plant manager. As the Arctic thaws and opens to up to further exploitation, it seems sensible to highlight the consequences as they occur. Andrew🐉(talk) 23:27, 5 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]
OK. Note, though, that Norilsk (69 N. lat.) is farther north than Valdez (61 N. lat.), and more remote from main sea routes. – Sca (talk) 14:17, 6 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • I would also add to what Andrew has said by saying I think there is broad public interest globally both in human-caused environmental disasters in the Arctic Circle (and maybe the blurb should mention the event occured within that), and the effect of climate change on Siberia's permafrost, similarly to the global interest in the endangered rainforests. DieRadfahrerin (talk) 23:43, 5 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oooh, that gives me an idea of an image though... --Masem (t) 23:57, 5 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Ah, someone beat me to it: ESA satellite imagery here would be good. There's the animation in the article, looking for a good still though, as they actually caught the red-ness of the fuel in this. --Masem (t) 00:01, 6 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

June 3[edit]

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RD: Abdelmalek Droukdel[edit]

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(Posted) RD: Bruce Jay Friedman[edit]

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RD: Shaukat Manzoor Cheema[edit]

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(Closed) British Hong Kong citizenship proposal[edit]

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(Closed) Ongoing: COVID-19 pandemic[edit]

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(Posted) RD: Mohsen Ibrahim[edit]

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Posting! --Tone 20:29, 7 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

June 2[edit]

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(Stale) RD: Ghulam Murtaza Baloch[edit]

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(Posted) RD: Héctor Suárez[edit]

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  • My bad – I just forgot to use the AP source again. No tags remaining now. —Bloom6132 (talk) 05:40, 3 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) RD: Carlo Ubbiali[edit]

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  • Fair enough – I don't want to hold up the posting if you've looked and there's nothing more to go on.-- P-K3 (talk) 16:50, 3 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) RD: Wes Unseld[edit]

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(Posted) RD: Arrogate[edit]

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(Stale) RD: Munir Khan Orakzai[edit]

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June 1[edit]

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(Closed) RD: David McAtee[edit]

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The horse's article is a BLP (per the non-human exceptions at RD), nearly every article posted to RD is a BLP; I can't imagine you thought this was a coincidence. The rare exceptions have articles with a wealth of personal knowledge about the individual, as opposed to a COATRACK like this. While there are no firm rules, there is established practice and guidelines, and this cleanly fits into one of those - a non-RD blurb.130.233.2.170 (talk) 06:07, 4 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Template:Tq WP:AGF. Earth-shattering scheme, indeed.—Bagumba (talk) 06:45, 4 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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(Posted) RD: Silver Donald Cameron[edit]

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(Closed) RD: Myroslav Skoryk[edit]

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