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The result was delete. Tone 13:18, 27 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Sangfor Technologies[edit]

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Yet another corporation article started by someone who appears to be closely connected to the subject and repeatedly used as a dumping ground for promotional marketing material by COI (possibly paid) editors.

All the online coverage and mentions of the company I was able to find appear to be primary sources (press releases, company announcements, talks given by company representatives, etc.), trivial mentions, or thinly veiled public relations postings. There is a lack of significant, reliable secondary coverage needed to establish notability per WP:NCORP. Fails WP:NCORP, specifically WP:CORPDEPTH. EclipseDude (talk) 22:50, 20 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. Tone 13:20, 27 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]

2019 Premijer liga playoffs[edit]

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Per WP:TOOSOON. There is almost no information in the article and contains no references. ...William, is the complaint department really on the roof? 22:08, 20 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. Tone 13:19, 27 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Berkeley Parents Network[edit]

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Previously nominated in 2006, even back then this could only garner a "no consensus to delete". Clearly fails WP:ORG, is actually very near a A7 if it were not for the multiple contributors John from Idegon (talk) 21:51, 20 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was redirect to Isha Sesay#W.E. Can Lead. clpo13(talk) 19:44, 25 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]

W.E. Can Lead[edit]

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Doesn't meet WP:GNG, WP:ORGCRITE, written like a press release. signed, Rosguill talk 03:19, 12 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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I really don't see how not having a Wikipedia article is going to affect the organization. Moreover, the article as written almost exclusively cites the organization's own material, which is not reliable. Hosting unverifiable content on Wikipedia helps no one. signed, Rosguill talk 01:09, 14 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Why does UNICEF have a page? Is this an encyclopedia? Tlwm (talk) 15:15, 14 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Is this again a size does matter discussion? Those girls learn to have self-confidence and to keep a household or even an own enterprise in some cases, maybe even states. That can have very positive effect on a society. This is why I think this organization is notable. People from Africa use the Wikipedia, too. So.....?!? Tlwm (talk) 15:21, 14 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Those mom's will be able to educate their children, too. That is good and important, or isn't it? Tlwm (talk) 15:25, 14 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]
@Tlwm: I understand your concerns. No one is saying that the organization is not important, or does not do good and important work. The presence of a Wikipedia article isn't intended to be a value judgement; there are plenty of bad people with Wikipedia articles, and plenty of good people without articles, and that's okay. Wikipedia's standard of inclusion is notability, which is usually measured, under the General Notability Guideline, by whether multiple reliable secondary sources have written about the subject. At the moment, all the sources cited are either from the organization itself, or not sufficiently independent of it. (The What We See article is somewhat closer, but it's almost entirely an interview with the founder, not independent reporting.) In the case of UNICEF you mention, there are several independent newspapers, academics, and foundations that have written about its work. That isn't saying UNICEF is a better organization, it's just that Wikipedia now has enough information written from a neutral party to base an article off of.
If you want to change our minds - and I think everyone here, myself included, is open to having our minds changed - the best way to do so is to find multiple independent, reliable, secondary sources that give significant coverage to the organization. MarginalCost (talk) 14:07, 15 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]
@MarginalCost:I see what you mean. I will keep searching. This small organizations have a huge potential, because with education you change the whole continent. 600 girls means maybe 500 moms or more with around 4 children in Nigeria. All will be able to learn something and give it to their children..... The importance of this overwhelming. They do not teach (pro or contra) religion in that school, which means they learn something useful. I think the importance and notability (without third party sources) can not be overstated here. — Btw. Am I the only one who find it very problematic that the Wikipedia seams to record just well established Organizations/Artists/Labels/etc.? Doesn't make this the wiki itself obsolete? I know Isha Sesay since around ten years (by watching CNN Int.). I know she is worth my trust. This policies about notability strangle the wikipedia. Tlwm (talk) 14:38, 15 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]
@MarginalCost:Is an article on Reuters about Idris Elba auctioning a valentine's date in favor of W.E. Can Lead a proof of notability? https://www.reuters.com/article/us-britain-charity-valentines/sweetheart-british-actor-idris-elba-auctions-valentines-date-for-charity-idUSKBN14W2GE
@Tlwm: we're getting closer, but still probably not. The issue is that the article doesn't really provide significant coverage of the organization itself. Check out WP:ORGDEPTH for a more detailed look at the expectations for significant coverage. MarginalCost (talk) 18:16, 15 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]
@Rosguill and MarginalCost: Another argument, if I am from Africa and want to find out about W.E. Can Lead, I will not search for Isha Sesay. If you want to find out information (which is the purpose of an encyclopedia) on the UNESCO, will you search for Audrey Azoulay? Isha Sesay is the patron for W.E. Can Lead. Tlwm (talk) 14:57, 17 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]
That's why I spoke in favor of a redirect. If they search for the article title they will be redirected. MarginalCost (talk) 15:09, 17 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]
That will not allow to inform about that project, and would be as far as I know also a breach of Wiki policies (of notability and the relevance of sources). What can I write here? The strict interpretation of this policy leads to no new articles on independent topics. Tlwm (talk) 15:49, 17 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]
@Rosguill and MarginalCost: So you want to know about a Ford F150 you search for Henry Ford, to find a one liner in Henry Ford's article? ....?!?... There are over 600 children and multiple adults involved in this project. You find 600 children who else highly likely will end in some kind of poverty irrelevant? :| Tlwm (talk) 15:54, 17 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]
This is not really a useful line of argumentation: Wikipedia is an encyclopedia, not a humanitarian outreach organisation. From what I see in the guidelines, there's no provision for a moralistic exception to what qualifies as a subject for/what constitutes a proper article. If it's that important a group, someone is bound to have done objective reporting on it. PaulCHebert (talk) 06:33, 19 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]
@Rosguill and MarginalCost: I merged it into Isha Sesays page and created a redirected in the W.E. Can Lead page. Please prevent User PaulCHerbert again from destroying it, he has deleted a lot in articles I have done before. He follows me and destroys my work. Tlwm (talk) 15:06, 20 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]
@PaulCHebert This is not how the world works. Else I would not need to discuss here. -- Yes, this is an encyclopedia, that is why I added it. Tlwm (talk) 15:48, 20 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]
@all I excuse myself for complications I created. Tlwm (talk) 16:00, 20 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]

I have taken the bold step of redirecting the article in question to the relevant section in the founder's article and removing the deletion notice. PaulCHebert (talk) 18:14, 20 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
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The article's creator has moved the relevant content to a section within the article about the organization's founder. Replacing the article with a redirect to that destination seems like the best possible solution. PaulCHebert (talk) 20:50, 20 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. Tone 13:19, 27 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Duncan Joiner[edit]

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Non-notable actor lacking in-depth, non-trivial support. "References" are a single name listing. WP:TOOSOON reddogsix (talk) 20:33, 20 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. Tone 13:19, 27 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]

The Flip (TV Show)[edit]

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I cannot verify that this TV series ever aired. If it didn't, it clearly fails WP:TVSHOW and merits deletion. If it did reach air, the current article certainly doesn't demonstrate the show's meeting WP:GNG, and I couldn't find any evidence or coverage of this show after a quick look around. --IJBall (contribs • talk) 20:26, 20 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. Tone 13:17, 27 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Eddie Denard[edit]

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Fails WP:GNG. Only non-trivial mentions about Denard that I can find are about his altercation with a JBA player, which alone doesn't make him notable. Runningibis (talk) 20:20, 20 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. Tone 13:17, 27 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Abbotsford Virtual School[edit]

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Fails WP:NCORP, the article does also read as an advert and have no reliable sources. — Frayæ (Talk/Spjall) 19:58, 20 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was keep. Nomination withdrawn and WP:HEY also applies. (non-admin closure) DBigXrayᗙ 11:47, 27 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Edna Harker Thomas[edit]

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A subject that does not meet WP:BASIC. Coverage found in searches for additional independent, reliable sources is limited to name checks and short passing mentions. The sole source in the article is a tertiary source that provides some coverage (link), but not finding much else. Qualification for an article is reliant upon having received significant coverage in multiple, independent reliable sources, but said coverage in multiple sources does not appear to exist. North America1000 19:28, 20 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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  • Comment – There is no default notability for members or leaders of the LDS Primary Association whatsoever, and no guideline page states such. Sorry, but the personal, made-up notability standards stated above are not aligned with actual notability on Wikipedia at all. North America1000 11:13, 24 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Forgot to mention that I added sources to the article. Megalibrarygirl (talk) 04:07, 25 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was delete. Tone 13:17, 27 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Shira Meishar[edit]

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Non-notable director, media coverage cited by the article is either from film festival listings (not independent), softball interviews for publicity (also not independent). Google searches through English and Hebrew media uncovered much the same, alongside some mere mentions in Haaretz and Mako for screening (but not winning) at Cannes. Does not meet general notability guideline. Meishar has won a "Spotlight Gold Award" from the Spotlight Short Film Festival, but this award does not appear to be notable and thus does not satisfy subject-specific notability guideline for creative professionals. Reportage in the Mako link above (not mentioned by the article) claims that her films have won some awards at Israeli film festivals which also appear to be non-notable. I had previously nominated the article for deletion by PROD but was blocked by the article creator, who then provided additional sources. However, these sources were more of the same sort of coverage in film-festival publicity websites and cannot be considered independent. I pinged the article creator on the talk page requesting better sources, and have not received a response. signed, Rosguill talk 18:41, 20 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. Tone 13:18, 27 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Javed Fiyaz[edit]

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Weak notability, written to promote the subject. Either need to completely rewritten but I failed to find reliable sources. There are some trivial mention in sources but not enough to start an article. Otherwise, he completely fails WP:ANYBIO as he has no achievement or award to his name. Thanks. Pollock's (talk) 18:07, 20 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. -- RoySmith (talk) 00:12, 28 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Karbelt Speed & Custom[edit]

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Article about a company, not reliably sourced as passing WP:CORP standards of notability. The references here are both directly affiliated primary sources, not notability-supporting media coverage: one is a directory profile on the self-published website of its industry marketing association, while the other is a press release on the self-published website of an organization with which it signed a sponsorship deal. As always, companies are not automatically entitled to have Wikipedia articles just because primary sources like this technically verify that they exist -- a company has to have media coverage, in reliable sources they are not directly affiliated with, to be considered notable per CORP. Bearcat (talk) 17:55, 20 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was keep. Tone 13:21, 27 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Diocemy Saint Juste[edit]

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Does not meet WP:NCOLLATH or WP:NGRIDIRON. The extent of his professional football career was a tryout with the Jacksonville Jaguars [2]. In college, he did not win any national awards or attract significant, non-trivial national media coverage as a player.

However, he has been the subject of a profile by the Reporter-Herald in Loveland, Colorado previewing a Colorado State football game, "CSU football faces a throwback runner in Hawaii's Diocemy Saint Juste". The Honolulu Star-Advertiser, the largest newspaper in Hawaii, had a story in 2017, "Saint Juste sets carries record", reporting that Saint Juste broke his college team's single-season rushing attempts record. He also was eighth in all of NCAA D1 FBS in rushing yards per game. However, even those records are not enough for NCOLLATH notability. Arbor to SJ (talk) 17:44, 20 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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A search of NewsLibrary.com turns up over 1,000 hits. A tiny sampling of the significant coverage includes: (1) "Saint Juste invited to NFLPA Collegiate Bowl", Honolulu Star Advertiser, 1/3/18; (2) "Saint Juste named 'Bows MVP at Waterhouse Memorial Football Awards Banquet", KHON, 11/26/17; (3) "Saint Juste, Hawaii beat San Jose State, snap 4-game skid", USA Today, 10/15/17; (4) "Saint Juste rises amid Hawaii slide", Hawaii Tribune Herald, 10/13/17; (5) "CSU Rams bracing for Hawaii RB Diocemy Saint Juste", Loveland Reporter-Herald, 9/26/17; (6) "Saint Juste runs for 202 yards, Hawaii tops Western Carolina", Chicago Daily Herald, 9/3/17; (7) "Big finish for Saint Juste" Honolulu Star-Advertiser, 12/25/16; (8) "Saint Juste has a plan for staying on the field to help the Warriors", Honolulu Star-Advertiser, 8/6/16; (9) "UH RB Saint Juste Too Strong for His Body" Honolulu Star-Advertiser, 8/3/16; (10) "Warriors' Saint Juste now up to speed, Everything's coming naturally for running back Diocemy Saint Juste in Hawaii's new but familiar offensive system", Honolulu Star-Advertiser, 8/7/15; (11) "Saint Juste eager to run with it, Honolulu Star-Advertiser, 8/23/14; (12) "Saint Juste on right track", Honolulu Star-Advertiser, 4/13/14; and (13) "Santaluces running back Diocemy Saint Juste verbally commits to Hawaii", Palm Beach Post, 1/15/13. Cbl62 (talk) 19:23, 20 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]
The stories about his verbal commitment from high school and making the NFLPA Collegiate Bowl are WP:ROUTINE news coverage for many high school/college football players, many of whom do not meet Wikipedia notability standards. Also, being the MVP of a Division I team is not a sign of notability. Some of those stories (like the Western Carolina one) concern the team more than just Saint Juste. Arbor to SJ (talk) 20:46, 20 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]
I believe that you will find that many of those examples are actually WP:NOTROUTINE. Sure, some are by nature, but others provide more detail than we find for the typical college athlete and far surpasses the standards set in WP:ROUTINE for sports of "sports scores" -- further, WP:ROUTINE references specifically the notability of events and not people.--Paul McDonald (talk) 20:57, 20 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]
While many of the articles of the 1,000+ articles I found are routine (e.g., passing mentions in game coverage or mere transactional announcements), many others represent significant coverage with details of Saint Juste's life and accomplishments. The 13 items selected above are but a few of the examples of significant coverage. The essential truth, I suspect, is that any running back who ranks among the top 10 rushers (among several hundred running backs in Division I FBS) in a given year will be the subject of significant coverage in multiple, reliable sources. There are plenty of border-line cases where notability is doubtful, but this is not one of them. Cbl62 (talk) 21:22, 20 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]
My concern with the selection of articles above is that the articles which demonstrate WP:SIGCOV are all local sources, the ones that are national sources are routine reporting of upcoming games or AP news reports which are about as "routine sports scores" as they come. WP:NCOLLATH specifies national media attention, and I don't see this at all (the Florida article is because he was local to Florida at the time of writing.) SportingFlyer talk 06:19, 25 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]
I don't find anything in WP:SIGCOV that disqualifies "local" sources. The word "local" does not even appear on the page.--Paul McDonald (talk) 11:07, 25 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]
I'm looking specifically at WP:NCOLLATH and WP:NGRIDIRON. SportingFlyer talk 14:50, 25 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]
The introductory language of those two sub-guidelines is clear that they are inclusionary and not exclusionary: "Failing to meet the criteria in this guideline means that notability will need to be established in other ways (e.g. the general notability guideline, or other, topic-specific, notability guidelines)." Cbl62 (talk) 16:08, 25 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]
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Grace Clawson[edit]

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WP:BIO1E. Non-notable. Sources are GRG, an archived dead link (but the archive link is broken as well), a blocked article of the Chicago Tribune and another dead link. Includes POV trivia She remained mentally sharp until her very last day of life, enjoying talks with her family and friends. » Shadowowl | talk 16:46, 20 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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And there we have the first keepist. She is only notable for 1 thing and should be only mentioned at a list of oldest people. Shadowowl on mobile (talk) 22:45, 20 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]
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Dee Dee Witman[edit]

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I am unconvinced that the subject passes WP:NPOL. She is a mayoral candidate who has not held previous political office, and all press coverage appears to be local. Jmertel23 (talk) 15:25, 20 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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Thanks for being udnerstanding RIfoodie! Around election season (no matter the country), we get a lot of candidates who want to make Wikipedia articles, so we've added extra notability guidelines for politicians. I wish Ms. Whitman the best in her campaign! Bkissin (talk) 17:30, 25 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]
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Dastaan-E-Mohabbat: Salim Anarkali[edit]

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Article is for upcoming show that doesn't meet WP:GNG. Minimal references that don't go in depth. This probably should be moved to Draft space for now. Ravensfire (talk) 14:55, 20 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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Rerum Novarum Centre[edit]

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Looks to fail WP:GNG but it also operates in languages that I do not master. Largely based on related sources and plain listings. The Banner talk 17:29, 30 August 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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Hembree (band)[edit]

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Not a notable band. Doing the background music for an Apple commercial does not meet WP:NMUSIC. power~enwiki (π, ν) 00:46, 30 August 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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Siobhan Kelly[edit]

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Despite good faith search, unable to find sources indicating this actor meets GNG, ANYBIO, or ENT. Bongomatic 14:34, 20 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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A Great Mistake[edit]

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Despite good faith media search, I do not find evidence that this film meets the GNG or NF Bongomatic 14:31, 20 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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Me or the Dog[edit]

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Despite good faith media search, I do not find evidence that this film meets the GNG or NF. Bongomatic 14:30, 20 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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Andy, please review WP:NF and in particular WP:NFO, which infers notability if
The film was given a commercial re-release, or screened in a festival, at least five years after initial release.
Inclusion in festivals around the time of initial release is not evidence of notability. Footnote 3 shows that even minor awards from major festivals, or grand prizes from minor festivals is insufficient. Bongomatic 05:01, 21 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was Keep. Michig (talk) 08:16, 28 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]

FoxyTunes[edit]

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Receives only passing mentions in reliable sources. Previously declined PROD for the reason that it does contain mentions in sources, but those are insignificant/unreliable. wumbolo ^^^ 14:14, 20 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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  • Update: now moving to keep. I have improved the article to give the body a little more content and substance. A little more could yet be added from the existing references. On balance I am also minded this had some form of impact over a wide geographical area over a few years. I believe there are sufficent references for the notability requirement. There are some useful wikilinks to other parts of the encylopedia including web browser, toolbox and media player (software). As far as I am aware value would be lost in any plausible merge that I am aware of so I would now be reluctant to compromise to that option. So I am moved to keep.Djm-leighpark (talk) 08:40, 23 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]
I've answered which 3 full articles in RS are enough by themselves, passes GNG. Some of the other 17 currently in the article add to more than those 3. I'm sorry we don't agree but I'm sure other's would like to evaluate them, and any others they may find, so we'll have to agree to differ. (see WP:NOTINHERITED - it not as black and white as asserted, some articles are allowed, not that my view is based on that, it passes GNG) Widefox; talk 17:23, 23 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]
I am minded I would also add Rankin. In my opinion WP:NOTINHERITED's a mess ... surely designed to obfusticate my head within the totality of its situation in its article and diversions to elsewhere: but I seemed to have come away with some sort of takeaway that parent to child ... not always and child to parent ... rarely ... and life is better spent simply doing content and citing. From my viewpoint which its not always universal FoxyTunes operated as an independent brand entity and any merge to parent can end in torment in those circumstances. We are also talking about the software not the organisation. Thankyou.Djm-leighpark (talk) 17:45, 23 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Yes my main point is there's enough sources for GNG. There also seems to be an over strict and incorrect interpretation of GNG/RS at these AfDs that sources must be large and exclusively about the topic. I quote GNG but it does not need to be the main topic of the source material. It may be a quick rule-of-thumb for editors to consider the threshold for GNG is about finding 2 (or more) main topic articles. Here 2.5 sources are evaluated by an editor "There is no such thing as 0.5 sources. It's either 0 or 1 (and every publication is limited to 1)." In terms of number of sources yes, in terms of amount of coverage absolutely not per policy, it's perfectly fine to consider smaller sources as being fractional coverage as that fits with policy. Sources can't just be dismissed as 0 as they're half as useful in coverage per policy. It's not binary. That's wrong, period. We have an overwhelming abundance of reliable sources by any normal standard here which per GNG do count. That means that we have unambiguously significant coverage in this AfD (Minor point is things aren't as black and white and there's alternatives WP:ATD, SPINOUT for the benefit of readers. WP:DOM essay seems appropriate considering this/these AfDs.) I think it would help if Wumbolo spelled out which sources they are excluding, and why, and how that compares to other AfDs/articles.Widefox; talk 18:48, 23 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was delete. Salvio Let's talk about it! 00:54, 28 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Hearthis.at[edit]

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Does not appear to be sufficient in-depth coverage of the subject at this time. Searches return thousands of hits, but they all appear to be the most passing possible of mentions of their url, like here, and truckloads of hits for the Dallas Observer, but only because they've embedded files in hundreds of pages.

The source currently in the article is more along the lines of what we're looking for, but even that described the site as "minuscule", noting that nine plays on one of the news station's playlist reached the top ten in the genre.

Overall looks like WP:TOOSOON, and the absence of a de.wiki article for a German founded website doesn't bode well either. GMGtalk 14:11, 20 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. Tone 13:23, 27 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]

List of games with Vulkan support[edit]

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Same reason List of games with DirectX 12 support was deleted along with all the other DirectX support lists. It's an WP:INDISCRIMINATE list. Better suited for categories. See the previous discussion at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of games with DirectX 12 support. TarkusABtalk 14:06, 20 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. Tone 13:24, 27 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Ankita Shrivastav[edit]

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Promotional artcile, fails WP:GNG and WP:NACTOR. Edwardx (talk) 12:24, 13 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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Sugapuff[edit]

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Promotional. Does not meet GNG. Sources include a deadlink, coverage from an outlet that employed him, and an interview on BBC Asian. BEFORE mainly brings up items from his YouTube channel. Icewhiz (talk) 13:33, 13 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was Withdrawn. (non-admin closure) GMGtalk 20:04, 24 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Gardners Books[edit]

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Open to be proven wrong on this one. There are certainly sources available, but basically all of them as far as I can tell are passing mentions or routine announcements. I'm just not really seeing a good argument for WP:CORPDEPTH. Best I'm seeing is something like this, which is really no better than a press release, and this, which ain't bad, but it seems like it was copy/pasted from somewhere else given the egregious formatting errors. Although I couldn't tell you from where. GMGtalk 12:46, 20 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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Not trying to be nit picky, but...what coverage? What sources are there with any depth to write an article with? GMGtalk 10:40, 21 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was delete. Tone 13:24, 27 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Evans Kariuki[edit]

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Non-notable preacher not meeting WP:GNG or WP:BIO. The organizations he leads likewise don't meet the notabililty guidelines, receiving no applicable coverage under WP:GNG. Largoplazo (talk) 12:45, 20 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. Tone 13:25, 27 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Enzen Global Solutions Private Limited[edit]

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I do not see any significant coverage about the company, that manages to make it pass WP:NORG but somehow, I am not confident enough about my search.Trivial mentions are located. ∯WBGconverse 08:22, 13 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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Notable that ShunDream has not provided and references. The number of Google Hits is also not a reliable indicator of notability and not an acceptable argument for a Keep !vote. HighKing++ 18:56, 19 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was keep. Tone 13:25, 27 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Boniface Ramsey[edit]

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Boniface Ramsey is not notable, aside from the fact that he sent a number of letters to Catholic bishops warning them about the predations of Theodore McCarrick. Ramsey's involvement in this saga is documented in detail in the Theodore Edgar McCarrick article, and also appears in the articles Gabriel Montalvo Higuera, Leonardo Sandri, Seán Patrick O'Malley. Ramsey's role in the McCarrick saga is notable, and has been adequately documented in these articles. But Ramsey is not notable otherwise, and therefore having his own article is unnecessary. — Lawrence King (talk) 06:53, 13 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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No, there isn't, and his role in the scandal is not a biography. At present what we have is a name and a position, and that's pretty much it. Mangoe (talk) 02:14, 24 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was delete. -- RoySmith (talk) 02:04, 29 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Mark Molesworth[edit]

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A CV of a working cinematographer, with much namedropping about awards but none actually credited to the subject. The closest thing to a reliable source is a New York Times wedding announcement to the now-deleted Donna Bertaccini. Calton | Talk 03:02, 13 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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  • I found several pages of cinematographers on Wikipedia that are similar to Molesworth's. (extensive careers but no indicted awards or notability) I was wondering why those were permitted to exist without notability or other flags
  • I argued for Molesworth's notability due to his awards
  • What awards? All the name-dropping of awards you did were not for Molesworth, but for shows he worked on -- see Notability is not inherited -- not to mention they were all journalism-related, not regarding technical achievements.
  • I added his awards on the main space
  • You mean the bit about a "Cine Golden Eagle" and an "International Monitor Award", neither of which you explain who awarded them nor why they are in any way significant. Which is not surprising, since all you did was cut and paste from the website of a manufacturer of camera equipment [12], using the "interview" to sell their merchandise. --Calton | Talk 14:05, 15 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Clearly you don't want to have that conversation about the other cinematographer entries I've referenced because they point to a cross section of cinematographers who have wiki entries with far, far less reputable sourcing, and/or bodies of work, than I have easily supplied in Molesworth's entry which demonstrates, fact sources, Molesworth's clear and unequivocal notability. You may not want to have that conversation, you may want to shut down the significance of that conversation, but I will continue to point that out as an issue. It is not an "irrelevant" one. Quite the contrary. Especially when you make comments that suggest just because you don't want to acknowledge my valid and troubling points of a double or triple standard by you and/or wikipedia, you refuse to address a serious issue that all wiki editors should be concerned about. Wikipedia must strive to have fairness and accountability, otherwise, it's difficult to validate its legitimacy. After all, wikipedia is based on a democratic process not a dictatorial one. Others have in fact been included for cinematographer entries with far less sourced notability across the board, than I have proven with Molesworth.

Regarding your comments on inherited notability: I agree. No, notability is not inherited. There's been no attempt to suggest that as such other than from you. Emmy awards and the like for best film are given for the quality and accomplishments across the board for a film. You have no best picture award for a film journalistically or otherwise with third rate cinematography. It just does not happen. Full stop. If you think it does, please provide sources for a case in point. You demonstrate a basic lack of understanding for the film and television industry by making such a comment. I've included the films that have won awards solely to prove Molesworth is a highly sought after, notable cinematographer to consistently be hired for the outstanding quality of his photography for filmmakers, producers, directors, and broadcasters the world-over. The award winning documentaries he has helmed prove that notability. --Missvangie | Talk 03:42, 17 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Clearly you don't want to have that conversation about the other cinematographer entries I've referenced because they point to a cross section of cinematographers who have wiki entries with far, far less reputable sourcing, and/or bodies of work
Clearly you didn't bother reading the link I provided: this is a discussion about Mark Molesworth, and talking about other cinematographers is irrelevant to this article. So no, I'm not going to bother engaging on that.
All right, I was curious and looked. Dear God, you put TAK FUJIMOTO on your list? Cinematographer for Silence of the Lambs and The Sixth Sense, among many, many others? Winner of a Primetime Emmy for Cinematography for John Adams? The article with the great big National Society of Film Critics Award for Best Cinematography template listing his win for Devil in a Blue Dress? Just how desperate ARE you save this article? --Calton | Talk 04:11, 17 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]
...reputable sourcing, and/or bodies of work, than I have easily supplied in Molesworth's entry which demonstrates, fact sources, Molesworth's clear and unequivocal notability
"Reputable" "Unequivocal"? YouTube and Vimeo links to his work? WorldCat catalog pages? Award pages which don't even use his name? A camera-equipment manufacturer using an "interview" as an endorsement of their products? A standard, unbylined wedding announcement, which are submitted by the wedding party? You have provided, near as I can tell, NO reliable sources whatsoever nor anything that actually argues for Molesworth's notability.
The award winning documentaries he has helmed prove that notability.
He did not "helm" them, he was the camera operator. And not only is notability not inherited, the awards -- including the Emmys you namedrop -- are JOURNALISM awards, and imply NOTHING about technical achievement. --Calton | Talk 03:54, 17 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]

You made it all the way to #9 with no debatable response to my argument? Wow. That's telling.Take away the Tak Fujimoto link. No problem. What's left? Now let's address all 12 of the other/remaining DoP entries. My point remains the same. You base your whole argument in response to me on one of the 13 that I listed? Seriously? Talk about desperate. I've removed him. There are 12 remaining. Have at it. Because if even one of those entries ends up remaining, the argument about equal standards and justice for all here on Wiki remains. Minor point worth noting, the Tak Fujimoto page mentions no awards, neither does it have proper sourcing. According to wikipedia standards, that article should have several flags.

Vimeo links? Youtube links? There aren't any of those sources on the current edited entry. You are mistaken. Are you seriously suggesting a library source such as WorldCat is not a legitimate source to prove either authorship or notable involvement in a documentary film or television series? Because now that is rich. (Just don't supply WorldCat sourcing on Wikipedia. Their editors don't recognize library sourcing.) Good lord, Wikipedia would be laughed out of any research University. More to the point, I've never based this entry wholly on his award winning ability *for himself*. You keep attempting to bring it back to that argument. I've been supplying proof of his notability as a cinematographer for other legitimate reasons, that you choose to ignore or attempt to conflate, but that hold his notability. Clearly he is a world-renowned DoP. The sourcing I provide shows the depth and breadth of his work for filmmakers and broadcasters the world over. He is notable, because he has a reputation internationally as a Director of Photography helming, yes helming, award winning documentary films, and for his extraordinary body of work. Additionally, If you are the only DoP/cameraman listed on a documentary film you *are* the Director of Photography even if a credit may say "camera" for the cinematographer. It's equivalent to saying "I'm a dentist". Does that not make you a doctor? Hardly. In the documentary filmmaking industry the credit can say photography / camera / cinematographer / Director of Photography. That's a fact of the industry. Similarly, if you are the only photographer noted on the credits of a documentary film, he/she shot the whole film. You are the Director of Photography. You are the one solely responsible for directing the ultimate camera shots and lighting set ups across the board especially when there is no designed lighting designer. You also conveniently ignore all the reputable and yes unequivocal sourcing supplied such as BBC, PBS, BFI, The NY Times articles links, The New York Press Club. Missvangie | Talk 2:07, 19 September 2018 (UTC)

You made it all the way to #9 with no debatable response to my argument?
No, I scanned your list and your desperately bogus and ill-informed choice leapt out at me. Something I was expecting, by the way, which is why I did it. And as for your "argument": for the THIRD time, because it is completely and utterly irrelevant to THIS article. There is NOTHING to address, because there IS no argument to adddress.
He is notable, because he has a reputation internationally as a Director of Photography helming, yes helming, award winning documentary films
A "reputation" for which you've provided NO PROOF or even indication, not to mention your telling of straight-up falsehoods even within your framing: "helming" means DIRECTING. He's not a film or video director, he's the guy who operates the damned camera under the supervision of the ACTUAL director of each film/video.
You also conveniently ignore all the reputable and yes unequivocal sourcing
"Unequivocal" appears to be yet another word you like to misuse. In fact, not only is almost every single one of those sources mere listings of credits, many don't even mention Molesworth at all. And the New York Times "article" is a wedding announcement: it's not an article in any way, shape, or form, it's a reader-submitted announcement of an upcoming wedding, written by the someone in the wedding party. --Calton | Talk 12:04, 19 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]

I'd be careful about cavalierly denigrating the work of a highly published and regarded film critic's body of work. Sean Malin is an American freelance journalist, who is widely known for his insightful and compelling reviews. He is an accredited journalist at all the major U.S. film festivals every year and as a result of the foregoing, is well known in the film and television community, as an accomplished and discerning film critic. He has published film reviews and interviews with both domestic and international filmmakers and as such makes CineMalin a go to film site for the film and television community. Simply because you may only be learning of CineMalin or Sean Malin, it does not mean he and CineMalin are not highly reputable and highly regarded, and his writing very well known. You've made comments that are not truthful and simply ignorant. Sean Malin is based in Los Angeles and has a significant and serious body of published work if you bothered to actually do the research for the journalist you are talking about. He is a graduate of the prestigious University of Texas at Austin's Masters of Arts program in Media Studies for Film, Television, and Radio and has written often for The Austin Chronicle, Independent Film Project, and Paste, as just a few examples. His significant body of published work is very easy to source. -- Missvangie (talk) 16:32, 21 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Sean Malin...is widely known...
No he isn't. And the blog -- and a Blogspot blog, from the look of the design -- shows no evidence that the "film and television community" even knows he exists, based on his massive Twitter numbers, all 553 followers. Care to provide some evidence of this regard? --Calton | Talk 17:18, 21 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Sure most definitely I'll comment. You clearly didn't even bother to source Malin's body of work at even just the Austin Chronicle: https://www.austinchronicle.com/authors/sean-l-malin/. This took no time to source. This alone puts your ridiculous comments to rest. I've only sourced one of the many publications he has written for and continues to write for. I won't waste more time disproving your false statements above given that they stem from your disparaging imagination and are not based in fact. Missvangie (talk) 03:52, 22 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]


I've added two new sources (a Connecticut news source and a NY Press Club profile) detailing Molesworth's awards. Those should account for his notability, under WP:ANYBIO. I hope you can read it again, with new citations and all, and let me know about suggestions to improve it. Thanks. Missvangie (talk) 17:46, 24 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]


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  • So, did you actually LOOK at said references?

One could say the same to you, Calton. The one who clearly does not LOOK carefully at said references is you, because you deleted a perfectly valid reference for Molesworth's award-winning photography. Missvangie (talk) 03:52, 22 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]

  • So he was hard at work schmoozing the attendees, trying to place stories, eh? Interviews are not really going to help prove notability, especially when their purpose is so transparent. --Calton | Talk 17:18, 21 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]

This is a fantasy scenario of yours. It has no basis in truth. The Basquiat film's U.S. premiere at the Brooklyn Museum was on August 30th. Molesworth was in fact approached by a number of journalists for interviews that night, and since based on his cinematography for the film. Why is that problematic for you? I'll tell you why. It's because it doesn't fit in to your personal narrative or agenda that you've crafted out of thin air in your head. You spread falsehoods to disparage and denigrate. It is also worth noting that it is not acceptable professional behavior to troll people off of Wikipedia on their Twitter feed merely because you don't like their work being cited here. That is bordering on harassment. You clearly created a Twitter account precisely to do just that to Mr. Malin. (It is obvious because you have zero followers on Twitter.) It has been noted that you publicly accused Malin; yes, a well known, highly regarded, well-published journalist, of being paid to write his Molesworth interview. That simply is not true and did not happen. It is also an improper move on your part. It's really off base. You are behaving out of bounds on this, and that should be of note and concern for all Wiki editors. Missvangie (talk) 03:52, 22 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]

You clearly didn't even bother to source Malin's body of work at even just the Austin Chronicle
The Austin Chronicle is a local alt-weekly that he's contributed some reviews and arts round-ups, a far cry from your claim of "well known in the film and television community". And how about that massive Twitter following one expects from anyone someone "well known in the film and television community", all 553 of them?
Molesworth was in fact approached by a number of journalists for interviews that night
Really. And you know this HOW? And you can document this HOW?
It's because it doesn't fit in to your personal narrative or agenda that you've crafted out of thin air in your head. You spread falsehoods to disparage and denigrate.
You should look up "psychological projection" when you get the chance. If anyone here is spreading falsehoods, it would be you, with your inflated claims and your passing off of bad sources -- a wedding announcement? a manufacturer's promotional website? random credit pages which often don't even use his name? All this so you and Molesworth can make a buck off of the hard-won reputation of this online encyclopedia: THAT should be of note and concern for all Wiki editors. --Calton | Talk 14:26, 22 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Hi there,

I'm not sure you've taken the time to look at the most recent sources I've provided. If not, please do so.

The two links that Calton refers to immediately above are no longer up there on the current article. This article is an ongoing work in progress as am I as a Wiki editor. Having said that, the ones Calton objected to are no longer in the entry, as Calton removed them, and understandably so. I have, however, replaced them both with reliable sources. The NY Times wedding announcement is only in Molesworth's personal section and that is standard for Wikipedia entries.

One new citation I've included is a piece from WestportNow, an online news outlet in the state of Connecticut in the United States. The second is a profile from The New York Press Club and was written by an Emmy award winning anchor/journalist. The third source cites Molesworth's first place award one year for Feature Photography. It is a direct link to the Society of Professional Journalists and its awards page. As such those three are certainly reliable wikipedia sources. Please do read the entire entry carefully with all its current citations. There are many reliable sources cited including BBC, PBS, BFI, The NY Times, etcetera, all listing Molesworth's cinematography credits clearly despite Calton's ascertains to the contrary. Let the FACTS speak for themselves. I'd be very appreciative of your feedback as to edits you might suggest to strengthen the entry. I am not intending to inherit notability of the films he has worked on. What I've been trying to do with his entry is to show that this particular cinematographer has had a prolific career in the domestic and international broadcast film and television arenas for several decades now. He has an industry record decades long of having been a Director of Photography on many award winning films. His body of work is the empirical evidence and is easily sourced online by many reputable cites other than Wikipedia. He is also an award winning DoP and still photographer himself as previously discussed.

We previously used a vendor source who conducted an interview with Molesworth on their website. (https://www.mytworks.com/2017/01/13/interview-molesworth-myt-camera-slider/) The materials I've sourced from it are ones relevant to Molesworth's career. WP: RELIABILITY indicates circumstances when one can cite a vendor source, I was wondering if our case falls in the category. Your feedback and assistance would be greatly appreciated. Thank you.Missvangie (talk) 17:22, 24 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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Somatic dysfunction[edit]

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A dictionary definition of a fictional concept. There are no WP:MEDRS for this because it doesn't exist. Guy (Help!) 11:25, 20 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete. This term is a synonym for the "osteopathic lesion" proposed by A.T. Still, as we already explain in our Osteopathic manipulation article. It is a bogus concept[13] and not discussed outside the fringe/in-universe world of osteopathic publication, or recognized in legitimate medicine. Any mention of this topic (for example from the linked Snyder piece) would be better incorporated into Osteopathic manipulation per WP:NOPAGE. Having a stand-alone article in its current state is a failure of NPOV as it legitimizises a pseudoscience. Alexbrn (talk) 15:10, 20 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Delete: Fails WP:GNG: If a topic has received significant coverage in reliable sources that are independent of the subject, it is presumed to be suitable for a stand-alone article or list. Neither the requirement for significant coverage, nor the requirement for secondary sources are met. The bulk of the article comprises unsourced or questionably sourced text, which if removed, would leave nothing of any encyclopedic value. --RexxS (talk) 16:56, 20 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was delete. Tone 13:27, 27 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Propertini[edit]

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No in depth independant coverage as for WP:NCORP. Crunchbase is routine listing, coverage in relation to Benford's law merely quote the company or mention it - they do not have any depth. Unable to find any indepth coverage; only mentions, routine announcements, and press releases Galobtter (pingó mió) 09:42, 20 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was merge to Tiling window manager. Salvio Let's talk about it! 14:12, 29 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Wmii[edit]

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The previous discussion noted three reliable sources which are currently mentioned in the "Further reading" section. The Linux Format source is the only reliable and independent significant coverage of this window manager. The article in Linux Magazine, issue 64, was written by Nico Golde, who is affiliated with suckless.org, which is the former host of wmii. So Golde is not independent here. The other Linux Magazine article, from issue 54, covers WMI, the predecessor of wmii, so it can't be used to demonstrate notability of its successor wmii. wumbolo ^^^ 21:06, 13 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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Yes, better target as the comparison article wouldn't have an article so would fail inclusion. Widefox; talk 13:48, 19 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was delete Salvio Let's talk about it! 22:20, 28 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]

EKOSPOL[edit]

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This article was written originally as a heavily promotional piece by an editor who appears to have a close connection with the company. It has been somewhat scrubbed of the obviously promotional writing.

A review of the references (in Google Translate since they're all written in Czech) appears to show that they are all mostly published by the company (press releases and the such), affiliated with the company in some way (fifth reference especially), or trivial coverage (non-notable awards, sponsorship initiatives, and basic company information) as defined in WP:NCORP.

An online search did not turn up any clear, reliable secondary coverage. Therefore, my reasoning for deletion is twofold: the article's subject fails NCORP, and its publication was motivated by promotional soapboxing. EclipseDude (talk) 08:48, 20 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. Tone 13:27, 27 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Arokah[edit]

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NO independent reliable coverage. All of the sources are review blogs, unreliable Editor General of Wiki (talk) 07:59, 20 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. Tone 13:27, 27 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Andy Harpas[edit]

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Poorly sourced article with two unreliable sourced and little else. Fails the general notability guidelines very badly. I will be removing the unreliable sources when this AfD is online. Addicted4517 (talk) 04:05, 20 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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Too soon for what? The guy wrestled in the 1970s. ŞůṜīΣĻ¹98¹Speak 00:21, 21 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was delete--Ymblanter (talk) 07:26, 27 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Joe DiRosa[edit]

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Not apparently notable apart from his company, which may not be notable either. Kendall-K1 (talk) 03:15, 20 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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I checked the pages for New York Artist Series and Joe DiRosa and the only history of me making and edits to those pre-existing pages was while I was trying to clean up the presentation.. The New York Artist Series page has been around since 2009 and none of the edits or page creation had anything to do with me. The Joe DiRosa page has been around since before that I believe but apparently from the records someone recreated it back in 2016.. I'm not sure what happened there .. The changes i made were cosmetic in nature and since this is my public image you have posted on here I don't see the problems since the pages were not done up to today's wiki standards.. Now perhaps I should have had a friend make the edits but FunPlusSmart seems to be trying to be vindictive which is definitely against wiki policy.
Oh 3rd thing is I went to go look at the draft for Onox, Inc. and saw a Create Page button instead of the submit article button.. I thought wiki upgraded my account to be able to edit so i made the page and removed the draft.. Once it was pointed out to me that the page shouldnt have been made I returned to the draft version so it could be authorized by whoever does that in the wiki community. For some reason I seem to be under attack.. For some reason this guy has this conspiracy theory which the history of these articles he is attacking proves isnt true. Joedirosa (talk) 09:23, 20 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Plus I read this comments on the other page and they are ludicrous.. You think i created an account that was called CertainlyHandsome .. Come on.. there have been edits on these pages over 10 years .. I have had people remove all sorts of references, change the contents and I haven't paid attention. Now I go in and just try and clean up the mess its become and you guys are having a heart attack. I didnt even add information I just cleaned up the structure. I'll get someone to post a whole new set of references, links, and information. Just the other day someone removed an article that was originally published on Yahoo as a reference since the company shut down that part of it's editorial. Just because an article was removed from the web after 10 years doesn't mean it wasnt published. Some how this became a witch hunt. Joedirosa (talk) 09:28, 20 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Fair enough. Since I don't have access to IP information for registered accounts, I withdraw my accusation that these different accounts represent the same individual editor. I still think that the page is not notable enough, but as I said I'm glad to have it become a redirect, which would mean people would still be able to learn about you and your company if they looked you up by name on Wikipedia. — Lawrence King (talk) 20:15, 20 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Please read Wikipedia:Meat puppetry before doing that! Theroadislong (talk) 22:41, 20 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]
@Theroadislong: Wrong link! This is the correct one: WP:MEAT.
For the purposes of this discussion you don't need to add them to the article, just list them here. Kendall-K1 (talk) 23:10, 20 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]

http://www.nydailynews.com/archives/gossip/celebs-toss-paunch-lines-flab-wars-article-1.559629 https://www.youtube.com/user/NewYorkArtistSeries/videos ( Shot over 100 Fashion Week Videos, Shot videos feat. Artist David Girabaldi w/ 300k+ views, Video of the Miracle on the Hudson Crash 100k+ Views) https://bbook.com/tag/joe-dirosa/ ( 2 Articles Blackbook Magazine) http://www.grubstreet.com/2008/10/limelight_still_for_rent.html https://wikibionetworth.org/Joe_DiRosa_net_worth http://berksluxury.com/?s=Joe+DiRosa (Publisher, Editor BerksLuxury.com) https://www.villagevoice.com/2008/08/26/limelight-club-to-re-enter-the-limelight/ https://www.law360.com/articles/521135/artist-series-offers-350m-cash-for-fuse-tv https://www.bloomberg.com/.../artist-series-makes-35o-million-cash-offer-for-fuse-tv https://www.rbr.com/artist-series-makes-350m-offer-for-fuse-tv/ https://www.pressreader.com/uae/the-national-news-business/20140324/281702612667228 https://observer.com/2009/02/holy-headache-finding-limelights-next-act/ https://observer.com/2008/10/former-limelight-now-priced-up-to-60-m/ http://fashionweekvideos.com/joe_dirosa/2007/new_york/september/new_york_fashion_week_september_2007.htm https://ny.eater.com/2008/8/26/6787543/eaterwire-the-lafrieda-black-label-dohings-the-future-of-limelight

Plus If i go into archive.org I can get you 3,000+ pieces of content I posted. Interviews with: Fashion Interviews Helena Fredriksson House of Diehl

Music Interviews Bebe Buell Interview Emily Lazar Paul Holmes DJ Jackie Christie Sofi Bonde DJ Christopher Lawrence Interview DJ Tiesto Interview Markus Schulz

Film & TV Interviews Laurence Kaldor Jayce Bartok Larry Turman Jaclyn DeSantis Robert Ackerman Tom Fontana

Artist Interviews Ernest Rosenberg Jasun Martz Keith Green

Plus I can probably find the 2 articles which were written on Yahoo which were deleted when they shut down their Voices section which i copied to a wix page so I wouldnt lose them. Probably a bunch more stuff too i can find. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Joedirosa (talk • contribs) 06:52, 21 September 2018 (UTC) Joedirosa (talk) 07:08, 21 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]

NONE of these sources are in-depth coverage, most are passing mentions at best, Youtube can't be used, Wikia sites can't be used, inyterviews are no good and press releases are not suitable either. Theroadislong (talk) 09:11, 21 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]

There are no press releases cited in those links. Many of the articles are more than a mention, as a matter of fact most are centered on or quote me. There was one wiki goof page cited. I've gone through the articles you guys have created and many of them aren't as relevant as any of these. The Artist Series websites were published for over 12 years with close to 20 million total visitors. They have been deactivated due to the financial strain of publishing when it wasn't a core business. I still own them all and many you don't see. Constructive comments are appreciated. Joedirosa (talk) 10:02, 21 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]

I'm not going to go through a long list like that in hopes that one of those turns out to be a usable source. If you'd like to prune that back to just the ones that meet the criteria in WP:GNG, I'll take a look at them. Kendall-K1 (talk) 11:48, 21 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]
I hit a couple of them, and they are really minor: Village voice: "Well, now Steve Lewis—who was deported Limelight owner Peter Gatien’s right-eye man—interviews someone named Joe Dirosa, who states that he has partnered with Ashkenazy to exclusively lease out the joint—but not as a club!". Observer: DiRosa not mentioned at all. Berksluxury: a real estate and luxury products site with an article on mortgages by DiRosa. Eater: a sentence, almost: "Steve Lewis reports that the space that held the club Limelight (and The Avalon) will finally be in use again, but not as a club. Joe Dirosa will now be renting it out:". All in all, a junkpile of non-RS sources and passing mentions.ThatMontrealIP (talk) 19:33, 21 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]
That's nice, except for the fact that the registered owner of berksluxury.com is Joe DiRosa.ThatMontrealIP (talk) 01:33, 22 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Are you suggesting that BerksLuxury.com a Luxury Lifestyle online magazine with over 10 articles written by you is an independent source??? Theroadislong (talk) 20:13, 21 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]
See Whois above. Joe DiRosa is the owner of Berksluxury.ThatMontrealIP (talk) 01:26, 22 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Delete per nom. This is a good example of why we discourage WP:autobiography – it's probably unpleasant for Mr. DiRosa to be told that he does not appear to meet our notability requirements, but I can find no evidence that he does. All the hits on GBooks seem to be for the New Orleans politician of the same name. In the normal way, I'd suggest redirecting this to his company, New York Artist Series, but it seems unlikely that that can be shown to be notable either. Justlettersandnumbers (talk) 10:58, 22 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]
@Joedirosa: it has been semi-referred to above, but let me link WP:PRIMARY and Wikipedia:Independent. To demonstrate the notability of a subject, a source must be reliable and indepandant of the subject in question. For this reason, the article linked above (written by you about a company you founded) is not independent by any metric.--SamHolt6 (talk) 03:12, 23 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]
True, except that three of the "delete" votes (mine, Theroadislong, and Justlettersandnumbers) were actually "delete or redirect". — Lawrence King (talk) 21:42, 23 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was delete. Salvio Let's talk about it! 22:25, 28 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Joe Boudreau[edit]

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I can't find good sources for this article with one source. GNG Fail. ThatMontrealIP (talk) 02:54, 20 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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The artists is also mentioned on Chicago Artist Resource, Career Moves: Mieke Zuiderweg - Gallery Media Director, 26 October 2012 by Alicia Car. Coldcreation (talk) 06:14, 20 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Mentioned too on Chicago Art Magazine, Joe Boudreau’s Crazy F----- Maps. 19 October 2009, by Erik Wennermark. Coldcreation (talk) 06:23, 20 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]
And Apartment Therapy, A Designer's Modern Mix in a Sophisticated Chicago Loft, 31 March 2017, Aimée Mazzenga. Coldcreation (talk) 06:27, 20 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]
And Modern Luxury, Interiors. And Windy City Media Group in 2009. And a brief mention in Chicago Architect, Best Interior Designers Chicago. And (not sure how reliable this one is) Ranker, Famous Neo-expressionism Artists. And Crain's Chicago Business, 1 May 2009.Coldcreation (talk) 06:30, 20 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Therefore, the article appears to pass the WP:GNG test. Coldcreation (talk) 07:32, 20 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]
The Chicago Art Magazine one is not a passing mention. I haven't decided on whether the sources are sufficient, but at least look at them properly first. Hzh (talk) 23:53, 26 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]

So it appears we one, and one only, good source, by which it fails WP:GNG. Does not otherwise appear to pass NARTIST. 78.26 (spin me / revolutions) 14:32, 28 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was Withdrawn by nominator. (non-admin closure) StrikerforceTalk 16:45, 21 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Bob Eggleton[edit]

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Your results may vary, but my search turned up only interviews and passing mentions of his legendary greatness. Obviously established in the sci-fi/horror art illustration scene, but article has three sources and I cannot find more. GNG Fail. ThatMontrealIP (talk) 02:51, 20 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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Ivan Jenson[edit]

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Without notability. ThatMontrealIP (talk) 02:30, 20 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was keep. Michig (talk) 06:15, 27 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]

The Gifted (Thai TV series)[edit]

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Doesn't appear to meet notability guidelines, mostly unsourced. -- AlexTW 02:09, 20 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was keep. Tone 13:28, 27 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Aadara Hasuna[edit]

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No indication this person meets GNG, can't find any sources outside of imdb and hasn't been sourced since 2009! CHRISSYMAD ❯❯❯¯\_(ツ)_/¯ 13:29, 6 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]

My apologies, I put the wrong reasoning in this AFD, but fails WP:NFILM. CHRISSYMAD ❯❯❯¯\_(ツ)_/¯ 13:51, 6 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Regarding "NFILM"; it has "The film features significant involvement (i.e., one of the most important roles in the making of the film) by a notable person and is a major part of his/her career.", which this film clearly does. A full length film is a major part of the career of any notable film maker (well, excluding some extremely rapid film makers like porn directors and the like). The Sri Lanka Daily Mirror considers the movie notable enough to give it some attention in April 2017 here. Fram (talk) 14:05, 6 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]
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What happened to WP:V? Sources could exist for any number of subjects but if no one can provide them, how can we possibly judge them? Saying that "they must exist offline" is absolutely ridiculous. CHRISSYMAD ❯❯❯¯\_(ツ)_/¯ 18:23, 25 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was keep. Michig (talk) 06:11, 27 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Bihar Dalit Development Organization[edit]

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Fails WP:GNG, promo, largely based on the own website and related sources The Banner talk 12:30, 6 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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[1] [2] [3] [4] [5] [6] [7] [8] [9][10]

References

  1. ^ Dalits in Action: An Evaluation of Bihar Dalit Vikas Samiti
  2. ^ Mapping Bihar: From Medieval to Modern Times
  3. ^ Social Exclusion: Essays in Honour of Dr. Bindeshwar Pathak Volume 1 Pg 87-88
  4. ^ Dalits and Human Rights: Dalits: the broken future pg 140
  5. ^ Community Warriors: State, Peasants and Caste Armies in Bihar pg 147
  6. ^ Broken People: Caste Violence Against India's "untouchables".By Smita Narula, Human Rights Watch Pg 147
  7. ^ Beyond the priestly call Bihar Times
  8. ^ The Journal of Social Transformation, Volume 10 Pg 21-22
  9. ^ Journal of Social and Economic Development, Volume Institute for Social and Economic Change, 2007 - Economic development pg 69-70
  10. ^ IASSI Quarterly, Volume 23 pg 91

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The result was delete. Tone 13:28, 27 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Priven Reddy[edit]

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Highly promotional WP:BIO article full of WP:PUFF. Of 7 refs, 2 are specific. 3 are companies he started including websites.1 a promotional picture, in a auto mag. Non notable.Fails WP:BIO. scope_creep (talk) 01:11, 20 September 2018 (UTC) scope_creep (talk) 01:11, 20 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep: The subject is covered in reputable south african sources, and is a billionaire in his country. Dijnonlips (talk) 16:15, 25 September 2018 (UTC) — Note to closing admin: Dijnonlips (talk • contribs) is the creator of the page that is the subject of this AfD. [reply]

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The result was delete. Michig (talk) 06:07, 27 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Proud Refuge[edit]

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Semi-advertorialized WP:AUTOBIO (compare creator's username to subject's birth name) of a musician who has no credible claim to passing WP:NMUSIC and no strong reliable source coverage to carry it. The notability claims here are a "hit" single whose status on any IFPI-certified pop chart is completely unspecified and unreferenced for the purposes of passing NMUSIC #2, and winning a minor local music award that does not pass NMUSIC #8 -- and the referencing is cutting no ice either, as it's referenced entirely to blogs and primary sources and the results page of a Google search rather than any evidence of reliable source coverage in even one GNG-eligible media outlet. As always, musicians are not entitled to use Wikipedia as a promotional venue -- but this shows no evidence of passing any of the required notability standards. Bearcat (talk) 00:53, 20 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. 78.26 (spin me / revolutions) 16:57, 27 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Oevo[edit]

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Asserts the 6 months old WP:NCORP policy. scope_creep (talk) 00:42, 20 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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  • Changing my vote to delete as looking through the page edit history, the app founder has been making his own edits to this article. Along with the fact that there is very limited and not enough coverage to deem this notable, the whole article's neutrality is now at risk here. Handoto (talk) 17:27, 22 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was delete. Tone 13:28, 27 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]

AO-31[edit]

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Non-notable firearm. Searches turned up no reliable sources and little in-depth coverage even in unreliable sources. Created by a sock of User:Ctway. ansh666 00:31, 20 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. Tone 13:28, 27 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]

AB-3[edit]

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Non-notable firearm, no reliable sources could be found, and what unreliable sources exist seem to be mostly WP mirrors. Links in the article (which are dead) point to alternathistory.org.ua, which could indicate that it's made up. ansh666 00:27, 20 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was merge to Henry Selick. -- RoySmith (talk) 02:26, 28 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]

The Shadow King[edit]

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Subject is an unfinished and unreleased film. Per WP:NFF canceled/unreleased films should not have their own article. A search comes up with press releases from 2013 and talk about maybe restarting it in 2016, but nothing current. Jip Orlando (talk) 20:06, 5 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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  • I would of course recommend against stating definitively that any of the voice talent is signed for the film, as a lot has happened between 2013 and today. Some of the voice talent may have changed their mind or whatever studio picks this up (if it gets picked up again) may not want some of the actors in the cast. For example, some companies may see Jeffrey Tambor as box office poison. ReaderofthePack (｡◕‿◕｡) 20:59, 5 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was keep. (non-admin closure) Szzuk (talk) 11:33, 27 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Count Maximilian von Götzen-Iturbide[edit]

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Not notable. Article appears to contain no reliable secondary sources. Similar article was deleted in Jan 17 for lack of notability. Recommend merging into House of Iturbide, which was the decision last time. Flyte35 (talk) 17:35, 6 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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If we confine the article to the information covered in independent news sources Excélsior, Milenio, and Noticieros Televisa, it appears that would leave us with about two lines about this subject. That could easily be merged into House of Iturbide. That's why we merged the article the last time this came up. Flyte35 (talk) 14:05, 7 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]
I don't recall any such discussion. This seems to fail basic notability guidelines for people, since the subject hasn't received significant coverage in reliable secondary sources. Notability is not inherited, but if there was some prior discussion about this, that would be interesting to see.Flyte35 (talk) 13:57, 12 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]
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I'm not sure that's relevant. The discussion you're citing has to do with the decision to retain an article about someone whose father actually was the shah of Iran from 1941 to 1979. Richard von Götzen seems to be the great-great-great grandson of someone who ruled Mexico for 11 months in the 1820s; it's hardly equivalent. The discussion you cite also pertains to a woman with at least 10 articles from reliable secondary sources about her. She is notable. This person is much more obscure. The fact that the decision in that case was to keep the article doesn't mean being a member of a family with some claim to any throne is notable and worthy of an article. It's the lack of secondary sources here that are a problem. Flyte35 (talk) 17:58, 21 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was keep. (non-admin closure) gidonb (talk) 06:13, 23 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Maliz E. Beams[edit]

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I could not find the coverage to demonstrate notability. Boleyn (talk) 13:49, 6 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. Tone 13:29, 27 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Heidi Katrina[edit]

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Non-notable professional wrestler, fails WP:GNG Galatz גאליץשיחה Talk 11:57, 6 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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