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The result was keep. There is no consensus to delete this article. A merge does not have strong support either, and the keep arguments are more convincing. However, a dedicated discussion may prove fruitful.  — Crisco 1492 (talk) 08:55, 30 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]

1921–22 famine in Tatarstan[edit]

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Contested prod. Violates WP:COATRACK, specifically WP:UNDUE as it is a content fork of Russian famine of 1921. 1921–22 famine in Tatarstan relies on a single source and has been tagged so since 2010. Gsearch only turns up wikipedia mirrors while searches in Gbooks and Gscholar turned up nothing specifically to a famine in Tatarstan during this time period. 174.3.125.23 (talk) 06:20, 6 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]

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Yes, in fact you are right, this is akin to the way the Ukrainian famine of 1932-33 is being used by nationalists to promote their cause. You don't see any problems with attribution of the 1921-22 famine entirely to "war communism" rather than the contributing factors of climate and civil war? Okay, if you say so. Carrite (talk) 02:02, 25 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was keep. (non-admin closure) DavidLeighEllis (talk) 00:53, 29 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Clark Aldrich[edit]

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This article has been used to harass the subject, it is also subject to edits that are hard to verify due to lack of sources. Four are currently cited: one is a profile in a trade magazine, one appears to be a namecheck, the other two appear to be primary sources (and perhaps not independent). They are not linked inline so the text itself, which is - ahem -stylistically problematic - is hard to verify. Most of the article is by WP:SPAs. Overall, this is causing a lot of trouble for a poorly written article, and I thik we can do without it. Guy (Help!) 23:58, 22 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]

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See Wikipedia:Biographies_of_living_persons/Noticeboard#Clark_Aldrich. I'm not sure harass is the right word. Sean.hoyland - talk 06:52, 23 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]
So, basically, the claim is completely untrue then. Good to know. So, what was the point of this AfD again? SilverserenC 07:21, 23 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]
  • The best method to show that Mr. Aldrich is notable in the field of education simulations is to find more reliable sources, such as news articles, books, journals articles, ect., that discuss him. Like i've been doing. SilverserenC 07:19, 23 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]
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Changing to keep since the proposal to allow the nominator to reopen the discussion has received no support, and the nomination's concerns appear to have been remedied.  Unscintillating (talk) 01:23, 27 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was delete.  — Crisco 1492 (talk) 08:55, 30 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Zendex Corporation[edit]

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Non-notable corporation. I could find no coverage in a search. The article makes no claim of notability for the company and consists mostly of a chatty history about its founding. Unreferenced since 2009. MelanieN (talk) 23:09, 22 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was keep. Closing as a keep, although a merge discussion may prove fruitful.  — Crisco 1492 (talk) 08:56, 30 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Appian Technology[edit]

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Non-notable company. I could not find any significant coverage, and the company may be out of business. Bloomberg Businessweek lists it but shows no recent activity; the phone number they list has been disconnected, and I couldn't find a website for the company. MelanieN (talk) 22:25, 22 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Do you know what those Indian references said? I did notice that Google suggested there was a company profile at The Times of India, but the link was dead. In any case, "company profiles" are usually just reprints of company-supplied information--MelanieN (talk) 20:35, 24 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was redirect to Gang_bang_pornography#Other_gangbang_records . Redirect !votes had stronger arguments, and they are WP:CHEAP. Nothing near a consensus for an actual article to be kept. Information to be merged can be done through history.  — Crisco 1492 (talk) 08:58, 30 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Victoria Givens[edit]

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Fails PORNBIO and the GNG. No awards or nominations. No independent reliable sourcing. No reliably sourced biographical content. Just kayfabe based on press releases. A BLP fiasco. PROD removed without substantive explanation or article improvement by IP without prior edit history. Hullaballoo Wolfowitz (talk) 22:10, 22 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]

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Edit: my vote is Merge to gang bang pornography. That's a pretty impressive record. I think it is worth a mention.

Personally, I think this is a pretty impressive record. I tried to look up this record and it has lots of mentions, but its all on a bunch of porn sites, which I don't particularly want to look at. I don't know which sites are considered reliable or whatever, but I don't think it's unverified, it appears to be legit as it has been described widely online. And I mean...if someone wants to verify it, it's on video. This is not something that I think I want to go to the trouble of verifying, but if someone is in doubt, the video is out there. -_- Bali88 (talk) 00:13, 25 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Not all records are notable. If no-one has written about it in an independent reliable source we can be sure that the record is not notable and hosting an article based on our own viewing of a film is very much original research.. Spartaz Humbug! 09:01, 28 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]
I could see how one could make an argument that this subject here has "made unique contributions to a specific pornographic genre" or has "been featured multiple times in notable mainstream media" though. Guy1890 (talk) 06:55, 27 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]
That is an excellent idea. Bali88 (talk) 13:31, 27 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]

With multiple reliable sources this actress pass WP:GNG the article has WP:RS and is a keep. Valoem talk 22:57, 27 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Comment In regards to the canvassing, it was an outreach for the opinions from members of the porn project. I was confused specifically about this which states stated Xbiz is a RS with no further information. I tried to leave neutral messages for unbiased opinions, my concern at the time, was due to the lack of response from members of the wikiproject. I have no editorial history with any of the editors and found all of them here (went down the list). Valoem talk 13:20, 28 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Merge to gang bang pornography. Dwanyewest (talk) 00:51, 29 March 2014 (UTC) Comment, I found some more sources that may establish more notability:[reply]

Sources with reliable questionable:

1 - no byline and its about an interview. The actual interview is a primary source and does not count for this reason. No comment on whether the source of the interview is notable anyway. Its a commercial site of some description.
2 - Not a RSas far as I can see. No named reporters, no evidence of fact checking etc.
3 - Obviously not a RS. Looks like a press release, no byline.
4 - Has a byline, mostly quotes which count as primary sources. Once you discount them there isn't enough for this to be a substantial secondary source.
5 - Where is the content on Givens? Its an unreliable schedule of the Stern show. Not even close.
6 - Looks like a press release.
So in short. No. None of this is helping and in fact you are strengthening the delete side by showing how weak the sourcing is. I mean, she claims to have set a world record but you can't find any after the event reporting? Seriously? Everything you have found looks like promoting the event not regular reporting. Spartaz Humbug! 10:38, 29 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was speedy keep. (non-admin closure) Kevin Rutherford (talk) 02:15, 24 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]

The Grilled Cheese Truck[edit]

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Apparently notable , tho some of the sources , such as a local business journal, local newspapers, and the press releases reprinted in trade journals are very questionable, but article is too promotional to stand. I tried rewriting it, but it would have required complete rewriting from scratch. Among the unsourced promotional statements are "placing them along some of the best comfort foods and sandwiches in the country." , "numerous accolades" "countless television appearances" "well on their way to becoming the first publicly traded food truck. "

Among the promotional writing devices are a description of why the founder happened to conceive of the company and the use of the proprietor's first name by itself through the article, which is appropriate only for popular entertainers, a list of TV shows where they appeared, and a focus on twitter (etc) rank. (These devices are characteristic of paid editing, tho that's not proof this is--it could merely have been naïvely influenced by the style of the thousands of such articles in WP.)

Accepted at AfC; reviewed by the AfC elimination drive, which considered the acceptance correct. I've commented there. DGG ( talk ) 22:04, 22 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]

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Hi @Bali88:, thanks for your input! An AfD discussion is to determine whether an article is worthy of being kept. One of the most common arguments to keep is regarding notability, but sometimes articles on notable topics are deleted because of extremely poor writing, or because they are blatantly promotional, and there isn't any hope of fixing it without starting completely over. Best case scenario is when an article improved, and then kept. Take a look at the article's shape at the time DGG nominated it, then compare to its current state. Hope that helps. 78.26 (I'm no IP, talk to me!) 15:38, 23 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was delete.  — Crisco 1492 (talk) 08:59, 30 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Nikki Sexx[edit]

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Fails WP:PORNBIO and the GNG. No awards, only nominations. No independent reliable sourcing. No reliably sourced biographical content -- aside from disputed birthdate/place claims, no biographical content whatsoever. PROD removed without explanation or article improvement by IP without prior edit history. Hullaballoo Wolfowitz (talk) 21:48, 22 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete.  — Crisco 1492 (talk) 09:00, 30 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Lexi Lamour[edit]

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Fails PORNBIO and the GNG. No awards, only nominations. No independent reliable sourcing. No reliably sourced biographical content. Claimed TV appearances are unsourced and uniformly involve erotic programming rather than mainstream content. PROD removed without substantive explanation or article improvement by IP without prior edit history. Hullaballoo Wolfowitz (talk) 21:33, 22 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]

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  • Even WP:PORNPROJECT cautions, "AVN also does not indicate when an article is a press release." The AVN and XBiz articles I found are reprinted press releases or trivial mentions. The media contact at the end is usually the tell on a press release. Brazzers is not a reliable source. • Gene93k (talk) 03:10, 28 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Comment In regards to the canvassing, it was an outreach for the opinions from members of the porn project. I was confused specifically about this which states stated Xbiz is a RS with no further information. I tried to leave neutral messages for unbiased opinions, my concern at the time, was due to the lack of response from members of the wikiproject. I have no editorial history with any of the editors and found all of them here (went down the list). Valoem talk 13:20, 28 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was redirect to Family values.  — Crisco 1492 (talk) 09:03, 30 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Traditional family values[edit]

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I'm not taking this to AfD because I think it should be deleted; on the contrary, I have no opinion. User:Hullaballoo Wolfowitz tagged it for speedy deletion, but User:Bearian contested, and suggested a PROD or AfD. I took the liberty of making the nomination, while noting that I am a neutral third party regarding the page's deletion. ChromaNebula (talk) 18:11, 22 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Check it out Obama family values. Kitfoxxe (talk) 01:09, 23 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was delete.  — Crisco 1492 (talk) 09:04, 30 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Emad Mohammed Samara[edit]

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Based on the username of the creator, I suspect that the page has been written by the subject. The "Research interests" section is copied from their LinkedIn profile. Discounting the copyright and COI concerns, the article's only substantial text is a list of papers, which does not, in itself, demonstrate notability under the criteria of WP:ACADEMIC. Arguably a candidate for CSD G12, but that would depend on whether or not the rest of the text could be considered salvageable. SuperMarioMan ( talk ) 18:05, 22 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Strong delete H-index of 3. [7] Fails WP:PROF and just about every other notability criterion. Jinkinson talk to me 20:46, 22 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was Withdrawn apparently I don't understand restaurant notability. StarM 04:02, 25 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Loch Fyne Restaurants[edit]

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This is a chain of restaurants for which there is no evidence of notability. Beyond brief mentions of their locations' opening and closings, the only coverage I find is their payment issues, which isn't enough to establish notability. StarM 16:09, 22 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]

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Again, more sources exist in addition to those posted above. NorthAmerica1000 20:09, 22 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was no consensus. There are myriad opinions here such as merging to friendship, creating a disambiguation page, and retaining the article as a stand-alone article. Furthermore, in a comment below the initial (stricken) withdrawal, the nominator again withdrew on 25 March 2014 (UTC), and no other delete !votes are present. Further discussion regarding this article can continue on an article talk page. (non-admin closure) NorthAmerica1000 22:23, 30 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Best friends forever[edit]

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Article has no aim. it simultaneously acts as a dictionary entry and disambiguation page, but also attempts weakly to describe adolescent and post-adolescent friendships.

If we're trying to get into the nuts and bolts of what best friends are, culturally-speaking, or how best friendships impact human development, the people who should comment on that are the authorities in the field of culture, anthropology, human behavior, child development, etc., but I also think such content makes more sense in an article on "best friendships" rather than in an article about the cutesy modern expression "Best friends forever". So, I'm of the opinion that the article can be deleted, or turned into a redirect to Friendship, or merged into Friendship if there's enough content here to warrant inclusion. In its present state, the article is a wordier version of this Wiktionary entry, and has not improved much since 2010. Cyphoidbomb (talk) 16:02, 22 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Withdrawn - I withdraw the AfD. Sorry everybody. Cyphoidbomb (talk) 15:54, 25 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Even though I think I screwed up by creating the AfD, I'll wait for it to resolve and then renovate future approaches to this sort of issue. Cyphoidbomb (talk) 18:16, 25 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Hi Andrew, my nomination isn't sudden or anything. The article PRODed by another user in 2011. A few users have mocked it on the talk page for being poorly written, and user Gusworld questioned the sources that attempt to bolster the subject as presented in the article. If there is a point to the article, I don't see what it is, or what it has attempted to be since 2010. I first raised my confusion on the talk page in January, with no objections or attempts to clarify. Not sure what special treatment is suggested here. It's an article about a common phrase that doesn't impart the significance of the phrase. And it's not like sociologists treat "best friends forever" as an actual, and distinctive type of friendship. Merging the scraps of this article somewhere else might be a way to go, but seriously, what useful portion could be merged? To exist, the article would have to be fundamentally rewritten and refocused on the significance of BFF in popular culture or something. No? Cyphoidbomb (talk) 05:35, 23 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]
  • Obviously there is work to be done here and I have started doing it. But the question at AFD is whether we need to use the delete function. The nomination seems to acknowledge that this should not be a red link and that there are more constructive alternatives. So, if we're not going to use the delete function, why have a deletion discussion? Andrew (talk) 10:29, 23 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]
((u|A fair point. I've had a reality check recently with regards to my AfD nominations. I'm open-minded about the fate of the article, and AfD seemed at the time the best place to discuss all the options. I withdraw my AfD. Cyphoidbomb (talk) 15:54, 25 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]
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I don't disagree that the phrase exists and that it has had an impact on society. I do, however question the article's focus. If we're talking about the phrase, then let's talk about the phrase and the impact on the phrase in popular culture. But if we're trying to say that there is a real anthropological thing called "best friends forever"--that the Mayans invented it or whatever--and it's somehow different and closer than the more common concept of "best friends", that's gonna be a weird thing to try to sell. I'm going to re-post this comment on the article's talk page. Cyphoidbomb (talk) 15:54, 25 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Lol, agreed. Bali88 (talk) 00:14, 26 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]
By that I mean the paragraph beginning "The term BFF as in Best friends forever has been used". The analysis of childhood friendships added by User:Wallfull is not what I believe is appropriate. BethNaught (talk) 20:59, 29 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]
I think the phrase is certainly notable enough to have a wikipedia article, but i question how well we can find sources for this. People use the phrase widely, but how often do you find reliable sources discussing the use of the phrase and its impact on culture? I question if we can really do a BFF (phrase) without it being largely original research :-/ Bali88 (talk) 00:55, 30 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was Nomination withdrawn. Sir Sputnik (talk) 16:24, 22 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Shahar Hirsh[edit]

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Recreation of an article previously deleted by PROD. Concern was Article about a footballer who fails WP:GNG and who has not played in a fully pro league. This remains valid. Sir Sputnik (talk) 16:01, 22 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete.  — Crisco 1492 (talk) 09:05, 30 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Half-Life 2 Roleplay[edit]

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Non-notable game mod. No reliable sources to be found. Only forum chatter. WikiDan61ChatMe!ReadMe!! 15:20, 22 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete.  — Crisco 1492 (talk) 09:05, 30 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Kim Young-hyun[edit]

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Non-notable kickboxer, other claims (even if notable) are usourced. Peter Rehse (talk) 14:51, 22 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]

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That is not a criteria for notability as a kickboxer.Mdtemp (talk) 22:51, 24 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]
If you think he's notable as a kickboxer, would you please explain what part of WP:KICK he meets? Papaursa (talk) 03:47, 30 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was delete. Arguments are clearly weighted towards deletion. I suspect, however, that interest from someone with access to Japanese sources and the ability to use them could have changed the outcome of this discussion.  — Crisco 1492 (talk) 09:07, 30 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Takeshi Kanno[edit]

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fails WP:BIO. The 2 sources provided prove that he gets coverage from his notable wife. WP:NOTINHERITED. I only find coverage for a much more famous namesake eg http://content.time.com/time/specials/packages/article/0,28804,2066367_2066369_2066313,00.html LibStar (talk) 14:17, 22 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]

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https://archive.org/details/creationdawnavis00kann
He was a pupil of Joaquin Miller, which explains the odd "Hights" spelling; see p 163 in this reference:
https://www.jstage.jst.go.jp/article/jeigakushi1969/1995/27/1995_27_151/_pdf
https://www.jstage.jst.go.jp/article/jeigakushi1969/2001/33/2001_33_105/_pdf
See also Yone Noguchi, father of Isamu Noguchi.
Sorry, this is the result of hurried research, but I think it is adequate justification. :Imaginatorium (talk) 18:59, 22 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]
User talk:Imaginatorium, I don't know much about Japanese topics, can you give more details why this is notable, why is "See also Yone Noguchi, father of Isamu Noguchi" important, why is being a pupil of Joaquin Miller notable. I wish we had some sources about him, like academic sources that mention him. -- GreenC 15:33, 24 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]
First, I do not suggest he is "very important"; and I had never heard of any of these people (except Isamu Noguchi) until the other day. However, the other names all have WP articles, and Kanno has an odd pivotal role between the others. From what I read the other day, he was eclipsed by Yone Noguchi as a Miller pupil, and had his wife stolen by Ishigaki, so he helps to hold the story together. The two PDF references above are a couple of articles in Japanese on his life, but have substantial English summaries at the end. Imaginatorium (talk) 15:55, 24 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was redirect to Bebe_Rexha#Singles. No prejudice against un-redirection should its status under WP:NMUSIC change. slakrtalk / 04:24, 2 April 2014 (UTC)[reply]

I Can't Stop Drinking About You[edit]

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Fails WP:NMUSIC and is not a Featured Article JMHamo (talk) 11:29, 22 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]

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I removed the FA tag, let me know if that wasn't the right thing to do. --GouramiWatcher(?) 02:11, 26 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was keep. Arguments are clearly weighted towards keeping, although I note that sources would be nice.  — Crisco 1492 (talk) 09:09, 30 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Adrian Buckmaster, 4th Viscount Buckmaster[edit]

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Non-notable hereditary Viscount who inherited his title after the House of Lords Act 1999 thus has never possessed the right to sit in the House of Lords. Flaming Ferrari (talk) 14:28, 8 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. j⚛e deckertalk 18:01, 29 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Naima Neidre[edit]

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No evidence of notability. FreeKnowledgeCreator (talk) 04:30, 3 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete A High Beam search reveals one mention of this person, as the illustrator of a book of poems. A Google search, as far as I went down the list of entries, reveals only web sites which sell her art. I agree with the nomination. I found nothing to show that this person is notable. Donner60 (talk) 02:40, 15 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was no consensus.  — Crisco 1492 (talk) 09:11, 30 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Merit Motion Pictures[edit]

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No indication of notability, only one of 52 sources is a reliable third-party source, and it doesn't provide enough details about the company to write an article. A Google search for additional sources came up empty. Huon (talk) 23:37, 7 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]

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  • Comment. Carr seems borderline at best as far as WP:FILMMAKER is concerned. She hasn't gotten a lot of press, par for the course for documentary makers not named Michael Moore. The Don Haig Award (worth $10,000) is okay, but it's no Gemini. Clarityfiend (talk) 22:18, 23 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]

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Theoria and Praxis[edit]

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Relatively new, non-notable journal. Not indexed in any selective databases, no independent sources. Does not meet WP:NJournals or WP:GNG. Too soon. Randykitty (talk) 16:55, 3 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]

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Hi Randy,

Thanks for your criticism. I don't know why Wiki's editors are in rush all the time. Yesterday 15 minutes right after I posted the skeleton of the article, I see a half page note with a heading "speedy deletion" because I did not have enough sources. I added few sources then I get another note titled "article for deletion" because I did not include any indexes. I add index, now it is about "Relatively new, non-notable journal". Yes, it is not a 100 year old journal, but it is going to publish its third issue in two months. And please stop calling it "non-notable", because if your background is social sciences and you go check the editorial board of the journal, you will see that its= is indeed very notable. Btw. the journal is on Google scholar, you just need type the complete title. And for your information, the journal is currently being reviewed for indexing by JSTOR and Philosopher's Index. And one final note: please give me some time to work on it. I was going to develop the article slowly. Thanks. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Exminre

  • @Exminre:, references 3-8 are about the inclusion of this journal in databases like Google Scholar and DOAJ (and the other ones listed in the article), but none of those databases is both selective and major (GS obviously is "major", but like Google tries to index the whole web, GS tries to index all scholarly literature, for example; I'd never heard of "JURN", but it's website says it's "powered by Google", so that's not selective either). References 1 and 2 are to the journal's homepage. In short, you still need to come up with references that either discuss the journal in-depth (usually very difficult for academic journals) or show that it is indexed in major selective databases. As it stands, there is absolutely no evidence of notability, I fear. --Randykitty (talk) 18:02, 10 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete.  — Crisco 1492 (talk) 09:12, 30 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Derek Frazier[edit]

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Non-notable wrestler. He spent his career in minor promotions without major impact. His career is 4 or 5 lines. HHH Pedrigree (talk) 12:05, 3 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]

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Striking my delete vote. Did a google search, he's been reported 142 times by PWTorch, 98 times by WrestleView, 64 times by PWInsider, 36 times in F4Wonline. The sources are out there, someone just needs to insert them into the prose and beef up the "career" section. starship.paint (talk | ctrb) 07:15, 8 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]
So, in that case, can somebody improve the article? It's a petty to keep the article (if it's notable) and leave it without make up. --HHH Pedrigree (talk) 21:27, 8 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Neither the CZW nor the MCW titles were the main title of the company. He's won two secondary titles each, which is not enough to qualify as a major success in my opinion. Anyway, his career section has zero sources. The only sources are for the titles he's won, and they're Solie Title History and Puroresu Dojo? starship.paint (talk | ctrb) 23:07, 5 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]
I know about wrestling outside WWE and TNA. However, even for independent wrestlers, I think isn't notable. Two minor titles in minor promotions. CZW Tag Team title was held by 60 wrestlers, but we haven't articles for every one. --HHH Pedrigree (talk) 23:17, 5 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]
CZW has had world-wide tours. They have shows in Germany. In fact they are pretty big in Germany. CZW isn't a minor promotion and MCW has had people from Jerry Lawler to Homicide to the New Age Outlaws involved with the promotion which has resulted in it getting a wider name. I'm the one who got the heavyweight title to FL and all of the CZW titles to FL. I understand how popular they really are. They aren't exactly minor promotions. Not huge, but pretty close to the size of ROH.--WillC 11:39, 7 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Close to the size of ROH... in 2008? ROH has been on national TV since 2009. starship.paint (talk | ctrb) 07:15, 8 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]
One way to judge wrestling promotions' notability in the US is TV/PPV in my opinion. TV/PPV determines their outreach and audience size. Major promotion tier 1 is WWE (including NXT branch), TNA with international TV and PPV outreach. Major promotion tier 2 is ROH with national TV outreach. Minor promotions should be judged as to whether they have a TV product (within states) or iPPV capability.
Minor promotion tier 1a for 2014 so far - limited TV product - Championship Wrestling from Hollywood (KDOC-TV, Los Angeles), OVW (ION, Louisville and WOBZ-TV 9, London) and AAW (MaddyGTV on Roku).
Minor promotion tier 1b for 2014 so far - iPPV capability - EVOLVE / DGUSA / SHINE (via WWNLive), CZW / WSU (via CZWiPPV.com), PWX via Highspots.tv and IZW via GoFightLive.tv.
Everything else goes in Minor promotion tier 2 and is very minor IMO. Surprise, CZW has been running iPPVs since 2011 at least, so they're maybe a top minor promotion after all. starship.paint (talk | ctrb) 07:15, 8 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]
CZW has been airing tv on G4 for several years.--WillC 17:47, 8 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Wow, I didn't know it. However, it means CZW is notable, not the wrestlers. Yeah, the wrestlers will be notable if they appear in CZW, but not every wrestler. For example, current Tag team champions haven't their own article, like former champions like Andy Sumners, Eric Ryan, Dustin Rayz, Devon Moore...--HHH Pedrigree (talk) 21:29, 8 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]
The purpose is national exposure. In CZW's case it is international exposure.--WillC 00:20, 9 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Are you sure, WillC? It sounded like you were saying that they had a regular television program with international exposure on G4 for years. I did some research, apparently before Feb '11, CZW footage that aired on G4 TV's Attack of the Show on Thursday evening. These emails have been fans asking CZW why G4 TV is only showing clips and not a whole CZW show and if G4 TV is planning on airing a CZW TV Show. Really sounds like a one-off feature to me, not a regular television series. starship.paint (talk | ctrb) 06:37, 9 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]
They have been airing specials and other things on G4 and I think Fight. I didn't mean a series. Exposure on tv is what I mean. All I know is from when I expanded the CZW titles and I found information along the way. I discovered that CZW is bigger and more successful than it seemed.--WillC 08:23, 9 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]
I really wouldn't count that they have been regularly on TV if they were merely featured twice. It's a one-off thing. They have been regularly producing iPPVs though, I'll give them that.
Promotion via The Wrestler (film) as well.--WillC 04:00, 10 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Well, we can talk about CZW and the TV, or we can talk about the wrestler. Yeah, CZW is notable, no doubt. Is Frazier notable, even if he appeared in CZW? Remember, a lot of CZW champions haven't an article (like the current Tag team champions, Eric Ryan, Andy Sumners, Devon Moore, Vorktez... Also, we have wrestlers who wrestled in ROH PPVs and they haven't articles (Adam Page, Tadarious Thomas, Cedric Alexander, Silas Young... --HHH Pedrigree (talk) 16:18, 10 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]
And people not taking the effort to write their articles is an issue for this one why? They may be notable as well, just means no one has attempted to write one. Eddie Edwards didn't have an article when he debuted in ROH, this Nici wrote one. I expected their to be no information on him and it was a very good sized article. C class if I recall. It is all about effort.--WillC 20:29, 10 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was no consensus.  — Crisco 1492 (talk) 09:13, 30 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Few Things Left Unsaid[edit]

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Can't see a single trace of notability as we need per WP:NBOOK. Created by User:Sudeep Nagarkar, who shares name with the author of the book, thats the only edit made by this user. Also the author's article Sudeep Nagarkar is AfD by me. §§Dharmadhyaksha§§ {T/C} 08:47, 3 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]

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"A book is generally notable if it verifiably meets, through reliable sources. The book has been the subject of multiple, non-trivial published works appearing in sources including reviews" (WP:BKCRIT).

Anupmehra -Let's talk! 16:57, 3 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Which "multiple reviews" are you talking about? Can you link some here? The one TOI link you gave above says "A recently published book, "Few Things Left Unsaid" sold 8,000 copies within a fortnight." and that's all it writes about the book. §§Dharmadhyaksha§§ {T/C} 04:11, 4 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]
I meant these, [11], [12], [13], [14], [15], [16], [17], [18], [19], [20], [21], [22], [23], [24], [25], etc. These reviews in multiple sources might help to establish notability of this particular book as per NBOOK (WP:BKCRIT). Anupmehra -Let's talk! 07:09, 4 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Sorry! Publishing of the stuff like; book's-name, author's-name, about-author, book's-plot, price-discounts-if-added-to-cart, out-of-stock-status, reader's-views; don't count as book review. Thats called online advertising for online shopping.These all sites are actually selling the book. §§Dharmadhyaksha§§ {T/C} 08:38, 4 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Yeah, they are selling books but they have published review of the book as well. For example, please visit one more time these two links, [26], [27]. They have "Overview" and "Author" section and they discuss the same. Doesn't it contribute to establish notability of the subject? Anupmehra -Let's talk! 09:28, 4 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Those two aren't proper critical reviews that offer the opinion and analysis of an educated/experienced critic. They are just describing what the plot is about. Wikipedia doesn't use reviews written by members of the public (which the crossword.in review appears to be) or reviews that are just descriptions of a product on sale (the rediff.com "review" is more like a publisher's blurb). Notability is shown by being reviewed in a publication that is selective about what it reviews; the reliability of a source is shown either by the reputation of the source or of the author, and the fact that submissions are edited and fact-checked. --Colapeninsula (talk) 11:28, 4 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]
  • Backing up what Colapeninsula is saying here: most of the sources are either merchant sites (which are pretty much never usable as a source in any fashion) or they're social media type sites where anyone can review. I hate to put it this way, but the given opinion of the general public doesn't count towards notability. Only the reviews by organizations, publications, and individuals that meet our WP:RS guidelines can count towards notability. This rules out a lot of blog sources, as most of them are self-published, aren't run through any sort of verifiable editing process, etc. (See WP:BLOGS) There are exceptions to the blog rule, but it's fairly rare and usually it's only a usable source when you have someone along the lines of Michiko Kakutani or YALSA posting something on their blog. Tokyogirl79 (。◕‿◕。) 09:21, 6 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete.  — Crisco 1492 (talk) 09:13, 30 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Newsview Media Network[edit]

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Basically an advertisement; I'm not seeing any claim to notability other than who launched it. Yes, it's a news org...that exists exclusively online, powered by WordPress, without any evidence that its existence has been covered or discussed. Ironholds (talk) 08:34, 3 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was no consensus.  — Crisco 1492 (talk) 09:14, 30 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Ghanaian name[edit]

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I noticed that this article has a misleading article title and is a duplicate of another title "Akan names". The various ethnic groups in Ghana have a completely different system so the Akan system cannot possibly speak for all. The title should have been "Akan names" but since another article with the same title exist I suggest a merge the two articles or deletion of this one. Masssly (talk) 20:30, 4 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]

  • Comment Hi, If so why not we restructure this article as the name implies: Ghanaian names to cover all the naming based in Ghana as stated by Masssly rather than deleting. Also you can notice clearly at the bottom this article it shares a common template ((Names in world cultures)). Which includes Akan names as well. The best thing to do in my view here is to keep the title and make the article represent what it should as in Ghanaian names; there by representing all the ethnic groups even if they have individual articles. →Enock4seth (talk) 13:05, 5 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment Reconstruction of the whole article as suggested by Enock4seth in a more representative manner is not a bad idea, compare with Zimbabwean names. The article started as a merger from Traditional Names in Ghana by Dominic. Masssly (talk) 13:18, 5 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was keep. No !votes to delete aside from nominator (who should really sign his/her name...), arguments about discussion of song accepted.  — Crisco 1492 (talk) 09:15, 30 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Who Am I Living For?[edit]

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Fails WP:NSONGS and WP:GNG for no significant coverage outside of album reviews.

"A reasonably detailed article" as defined by NSONGS is when it has grown beyond a stub, a bar which this article has surpassed. The clause does not explicitly require the material to have been obtained within significant/non-trivial/non-independent coverage.  Gong show 18:49, 4 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]
I think you misunderstood the part of "reasonably detailed". "Notability aside" doesn't mean that length covers up for lack of notability, it was saying that however notable something might be, the notable thing(s) would require enough in-depth coverage to make something more than a stub. Even if not explicitly in NSONGS, GNG requires more coverage, which this fails. XXSNUGGUMSXX (talk) 19:06, 4 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was no consensus. (non-admin closure) Mz7 (talk) 23:36, 28 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Marius Dewilde[edit]

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No sources except a dead link, and online search only turns up mentions on fringe blogs. mikeman67 (talk) 04:55, 4 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was no consensus.  — Crisco 1492 (talk) 09:16, 30 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Jody Fleisch[edit]

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No notable wrestler. He spent his career in minor promotions. HHH Pedrigree (talk) 02:37, 4 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. j⚛e deckertalk 18:02, 29 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Lisa Fury[edit]

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No notable wrestler. She spent her career in minor promotions. HHH Pedrigree (talk) 02:37, 4 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. slakrtalk / 04:12, 2 April 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Personal Freedom Party[edit]

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Non-notable political party. Magog the Ogre (tc) 03:32, 14 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. j⚛e deckertalk 18:03, 29 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]

J. P. Holding[edit]

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Non-notable Christian apologist. Self-published. Harizotoh9 (talk) 03:37, 14 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was no consensus. slakrtalk / 04:10, 2 April 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Allen Shofe[edit]

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I see many references to his own presentations, and a good many routine reports in trade newspapers about them. I do not see any firm evidence of notability. What this therefore amounts to is a promotional biography. DGG ( talk ) 04:41, 14 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was keep. The Bushranger One ping only 04:42, 2 April 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Gustavo Perednik[edit]

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It's badly written, and there are no good sources that are able to be used for the article. 123chess456 (talk) 05:53, 14 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]

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  • Comment GHits do not say anything about notability, substantial reliable sources do. And being popular also needs to be verifiable through reliable sources. (BTW: just changing your Google search to "Gustavo Perednik" reduces the number of GHits to 31,600... --Randykitty (talk) 13:32, 17 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment I'd like to say that Google Trends doesn't actually have enough search volume for Perednik to make a Google Trends graph, so he does not get that much search volume. Agreeing that the list of Google results do not mean whether somebody or something is notable or not. 123chess456 (talk) 21:48, 17 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Excellent research, Epeefleche. I think this may have changed the nominator's mind about deleting the article, am I right, 123chess456? Also, the article has been edited and now looks pretty good to me in terms of wiki standards. Shalom11111 (talk) 01:33, 21 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Actually, I think the article still should be improved -- but that is not an AfD issue.--Epeefleche (talk) 01:41, 21 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]

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After Epeeleche's explanation and the minor improvements that the article has undergone by now, I think it's clear to everyone, including the article's deletion nominator, that we should keep the article. Shalom11111 (talk) 20:04, 28 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]

It's not clear to me, I'm afraid. Xxanthippe (talk) 21:35, 28 March 2014 (UTC).[reply]
You voted delete because you said the article doesn't meet WP:Prof#C1, but as Epeefleche showed, his influence and coverage is significant in other languages. Shalom11111 (talk) 00:42, 29 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]
How many more times do I have to say that my view is unchanged? Xxanthippe (talk) 01:21, 29 March 2014 (UTC).[reply]
Some of these issues are discussed in the WP:Prof guidelines. Xxanthippe (talk) 21:28, 30 March 2014 (UTC).[reply]
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The result was keep. The Bushranger One ping only 04:39, 2 April 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Wolof Wikipedia[edit]

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Not notable, the only "reliable" source may not have mentioned this edition at all TheChampionMan1234 10:14, 14 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was redirect to List of Wikipedias. Single keep !vote is completely unrelated to policy, redirects are cheap  — Crisco 1492 (talk) 09:19, 30 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Kirundi Wikipedia[edit]

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Does not seem to be notable, where it says, 'four million articles by jan 2012' is not true TheChampionMan1234 10:19, 14 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was redirect to List of Wikipedias. Single keep !vote is completely unconvincing, redirects are cheap  — Crisco 1492 (talk) 09:20, 30 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Piedmontese Wikipedia[edit]

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Does not state anything about notability, nor does it have reliable sources. TheChampionMan1234 10:25, 14 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. slakrtalk / 04:02, 2 April 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Monologic expertise[edit]

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Questionable content, and no justification of notability. The corresponding dialogic expertise article is dubious, and this even more so. Imaginatorium (talk) 05:35, 6 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]

The term looks as though it was made up by someone who thought that the 'dia' in 'dialogic' means two. (I mean the original academic cited, not the user.) And the glowing references to post-modernism make it hard to take seriously. Imaginatorium (talk) 05:43, 6 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]
I retract the statement above, because of course "monologue" is in contrast to "dialogue". But nonetheless, this all seems to rely on the work of one particular author, and there is no particular reason to use their terminology. There must surely be at least one Wikipedia article on collaborative editing - oh, yes, there is! Imaginatorium (talk) 06:06, 6 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete. I agree with Imaginatorium that these terms make no real sense as they are being used. Expertise at monologue or dialogue is not what is meant by these terms as coined but expertise developed through monologue or dialogue. That surely refers to "learning" or "collaborative writing or editing", as Imaginatorium suggests. Of course, many things or terms or idea that make no sense nonetheless would be considered notable. But a search on High Beam reveals only two articles in which monologic and expertise are used in the same article and they are not used together. A search on Google finds little more except the article about Wikipedia in which collaborative writing or editing producing a better more expert product is found. So even if we were to grant that these phrases mean something, or even are better ways to express other concepts, we cannot find they are notable or used outside this very small context. Donner60 (talk) 03:30, 15 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]


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The result was merge to body water. -- Ed (Edgar181) 16:33, 27 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Animal body water[edit]

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There is an existing article for body water. The term "Body Water" an abstraction used in physiology that is conceptually no different between humans and animals. I had proposed a deletion, but it was deleted, without comment, by an IP user. Attaboy (talk) 05:54, 6 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]

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There's nothing in this article that can't be said about body water (as the other article is titled). Maybe I should have proposed a merge, but I didn't see anything worth salvaging out of this article. For instance, the first reference, which is used to write the majority of the article, isn't even talking about the physiological concept of body water. Instead, it's an agricultural education textbook's answer to the question of "Why do animals need water?" The second and third references are in reference to human physiology, so they wouldn't really be applicable in an article talking about body water of animals, in exclusion of humans! You're right, body water article should be modified to clarify when it is specifically talks about body water in the context of humans. However, I can't think of any differences that would exist between humans and other mammals, in regard to body water, with the exception of differing proportions of tissue types. Attaboy (talk) 23:47, 6 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]
What do you mean by "source searches"? Did you find anything that makes a distinction between animal body water and body water in general? If animal body water is in no way distinct from body water in general, how can this be notable? Attaboy (talk) 23:54, 6 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Source searches are just that. Here's some examples of coverage in books:
 – NorthAmerica1000 03:15, 7 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks for the sources. I read them, but they don't make a distinction between body water in animals compared to humans. Body water is a physiological concept - As such, there's not going to be a notable distinction between animals and humans. Would you be in favor of merging the two articles? 1) Animal body water would be redirected to Body Water, 2) where needed the language of Body water would be clarified to include all animals, and 3) any useful content from Animal body water would be moved into Body water. Attaboy (talk) 05:25, 7 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. WP:SOFTDELETE. The Bushranger One ping only 22:30, 29 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Arthur Pembroke[edit]

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I can't see that this person is encylopedic. He is just another soldier, failing WP:Soldier. IMO, not notable enough Gbawden (talk) 10:36, 14 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. slakrtalk / 04:01, 2 April 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Sergei Sergienko[edit]

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created by a single purpose editor so probable WP:AUTOBIO. Claim to notability is founding Edway Group which is currently at AfD. Fails WP:BIO LibStar (talk) 10:49, 14 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. slakrtalk / 04:01, 2 April 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Ashok Yadav[edit]

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Non-notable film director. References currently in the article only mention him in passing and I can't find any other that would prove notability. According to IMDB he only has two short films to his name. Sarahj2107 (talk) 11:36, 14 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. Also WP:G11 slakrtalk / 03:51, 2 April 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Festival of Fantasy Parade[edit]

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Looks like a Wiki Press Release based on prospective promotional and fan publications. No indication of significant coverage in reliable sources that are independent of the subject or other criteria for notability of special events. I am sure it was a lovely show, but it does not appear to be an independently notable attraction of the theme park. ~ Ningauble (talk) 15:46, 14 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was redirect to Institute for the Study of Labor. One keep !vote recognized the possibility for a redirect, the other was WP:OTHERSTUFFEXISTS. Redirected to publisher.  — Crisco 1492 (talk) 09:22, 30 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]

IZA Journal of Labor Economics[edit]

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Article was PRODded and then de-PRODded. For the discussion about that, see Talk:IZA Journal of Labor Economics here. Prod reason was: "Non-notable relatively new journal that has published a grand total of 17 articles since it was established in October 2012. Not indexed in any selective databases, no independent sources. Does not meet WP:NJournals or WP:GNG." Prod reason still stands, hence: Delete. Randykitty (talk) 18:47, 14 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]

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  • comment Every publisher publishes the occasional dud and Springer is no exception. Examples are the International Journal of Sexuality and Gender Studies and Research on Language and Computation, which existed only for a limited time and then folded. I think that it is therefore unjust to assume implicit notability for a journal from a large publisher as opposed to a journal from a smaller publisher. The economics indexes, as far as I know, are not very selective: as long as something has a bearing on economics, they'll want to cover it. I don't see a problem, though, with having a brief mention in the article on the Institute for the Study of Labor. --Randykitty (talk) 15:10, 17 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment That there are other journals published by the IZA does not add any notability. If anything, the simultaneous launch of several journals increases the risk that they are overreaching themselves and that some of those journals will tank. OA is nowadays not an exception in any field anymore and even though there are probably more OA medical journals, economics is not an exception. Even if this were true, though, it would not really be anything special, given the ubiquitousness of OA journals all over the place nowadays, being the first in some subfield is not a notable feat any more. And as far as I can see, a journal that after 1.5 years cannot get more than 1 article per month published, is hard on its way into oblivion. I may be wrong about that, but the same goes for those predicting a glowing future for this journal and my crystal ball just fell in shards. --Randykitty (talk) 15:10, 17 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment Was not meant to show notability, just information for the curios reader. Thanks for helpfully pointing out to WP:CRYSTAL, but as you can see both in the article and the comments so far, I do not try to predict anything according to the future of the journals, neither "its way into oblivion" nor a "glowing future". All information in the article is based on current information on the journal. Iwonderwhereifloatnext (talk) 14:29, 18 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]
  • The reference to CRYSTAL is meant to indicate that we cannot predict whether or not this journal will become notable. At this point, it is simply WP:TOOSOON. --Randykitty (talk) 14:41, 18 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Comment I'm neutral with regard to notability, but would it also be "too soon" if, say, Elsevier started an open access journal last August? Also, if EconLit counts as a selective database, then that probably would establish notability here since this journal is indexed in it. Jinkinson talk to me 02:15, 20 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]
As far as I am concerned, TOOSOON would also apply to a new Elsevier journal. EconLit is not very selective, as far as I can judge. --Randykitty (talk) 12:07, 20 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]

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  • Indeed I didn't consider any alternatives, given the absolute lack of notability (in my eyes). --Randykitty (talk) 11:57, 24 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]
  • So in your viewpoint, lack of wp:notability means that there are no alternatives to deletion?  Unscintillating (talk) 23:31, 24 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]
  • In your viewpoint, is there ever a reason for deletion? --Randykitty (talk) 11:51, 25 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]
  • Thank you for asking.  I've been labeled a deletionist once and four times I've been labeled an inclusionist.  That says more about the people doing the labeling than it says about me.  All of our policies are marked, "this page documents...a widely accepted standard that all editors must normally follow.  Here are the nutshells from our WP:Editing policy and from our WP:Deletion policy:
Please support our policies.  Unscintillating (talk) 22:38, 25 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]
  • I'm a bit baffled. I don't see any support for notability, no independent sources. If that is not a reason to propose an article for deletion, then I don't know what would. I don't see that as being in disagreement with any of our policies. --Randykitty (talk) 12:29, 26 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]
  • Is WP:PRESERVE a policy?  (yes)  Is WP:ATD a policy?  (yes)  In your viewpoint, does lack of wp:notability mean that there are no WP:ATD alternatives to deletion?  Unscintillating (talk) 01:55, 27 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]
  • Looks to me like you're arguing that we should do away with AFD :-) Anyway, the only thing we have at this point is a website confirming that the journal exists. There is no independent information that can be merged anywhere. The fact that the journal exists can be mentioned in Institute for the Study of Labor ("the institute publishes an academic journal, the IZA Journal of Labor Economics"), but I really don't consider that "merging", which in my eyes implies some more information. --Randykitty (talk) 11:30, 27 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]
  • So, asking you to compare your viewpoint about wp:notability with the policy WP:ATD, is a closet attempt to end AfD?  Unscintillating (talk) 00:13, 28 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]
  • Ok, now we have some points of agreement.  There is a sentence that can be added to Institute for the Study of Labor.  This means that we have presumptive agreement on a place to redirect the title of the current topic.  There is no argument (there could be, but there hasn't been) that any of the existing four sentences or the three references in the current article violate content policies.  So there is no content-policy reason to delete and redirect.  Everything else from there is a matter for the editors at the target article; including the WP:DUE of merging all four sentences from the current article, the addition of the four additional journals mentioned, and the potential to create a breakout article List of academic journals published at the Institute for the Study of Labor.  If there is no objection, I will change my !vote to redirect and merge.  Unscintillating (talk) 00:13, 28 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]
  • You're putting words in my mouth. Two of the three "references" are just links to the journal's own homepage (they just look different because they have been given different titles). The third reference is just a brief mention on a blog-type website (written by a postdoc) and of unclear notability. There is much information around that can be verified in reliable sources, but if there is no notability, there is no reason to include it on WP. So, yes, I'd be fine with redirecting this article and a short remark. I oppose merging everything that currently is in the article because that is not justified. --Randykitty (talk) 12:02, 28 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]
  • The questions I asked remain unanswered.  Unscintillating (talk) 02:02, 29 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]
  • As for two of your points, I don't agree that AfD provides standing to bind editors against editing the encyclopedia.  Unscintillating (talk) 02:02, 29 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]
  • Thank you for confirming that there is agreement with redirect and adding a short remark to the target article.  I've taken the editorial prerogative of stubifying six journals at Institute for the Study of Labor, and changed my !vote.  Unscintillating (talk) 02:02, 29 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was delete. slakrtalk / 03:44, 2 April 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Brian McDaniel[edit]

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DELETE or merge to Angelica McDaniel as non-notable. Quis separabit? 19:53, 14 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was redirect to Football at the Military World Games.  — Crisco 1492 (talk) 09:23, 30 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Football at the 2011 Military World Games[edit]

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Non-notable football tournament, which fails WP:NFOOTBALL and WP:GNG due to lack of independent sources. JMHamo (talk) 20:54, 14 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]

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We can't merge because it's also considered as a part of the World Military Cup. And we need too, to create & separate all editions same as the football competitions. --Fayçal.09 (talk) 11:43, 15 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]
If you do not want to merge then we need to delete - and your comments that we need more of these articles is nonsensical. GiantSnowman 12:51, 17 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Mistake for me, I mean we will create articles about all editions. But sorry your reasoning is nonsensical, must we delete all articles about football editions of all competitions ??..!! --Fayçal.09 (talk) 20:08, 17 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was keep. It appears to me that, although Mendelson may not be notable as an author per se, he does pass the WP:GNG. Multiple sources have been put forth, in the article as well, covering the book, Mendelson's promotion of it and his use of social media. COI issues and promotional text have been cleaned up (and are not grounds for an AFD anyways).  — Crisco 1492 (talk) 09:27, 30 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Brandon Mendelson[edit]

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Not notable enough. Fails WP:AUTHOR. WP:COI problem. Created by blocked ad-only user Talk:Royale.heart. Related to sockpuppet problem being cleaned up. John Nagle (talk) 21:06, 14 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]

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That article says he used to be in the top 100 on Twitter, back in 2009. But that was 5 years ago. Today, he's not anywhere close. He has 738K followers, and everyone in the top 100 on Twitter now has over 7 million. Looks like his notability may be over. John Nagle (talk) 19:14, 17 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Notability is not temporarily. Dream Focus 19:44, 17 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Thank you Mr. Mendelson for your comment. You are welcome to participate in this AfD discussion, however if you are new to Wikipedia and have not read WP:COI I would encourage you to take a look at it. Also please refrain from posting personal information on here. There is some tolerance for an email address posted on a user's page, but it is strongly discouraged elsewhere. And posting a personal phone number anywhere on the internet is a common sense no no. -Ad Orientem (talk) 22:14, 18 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Thank you Ad Orientem. I don't have too much else to add here other than I am appreciative of everyone's time in looking into this. I am familiar with the COI rules but I'm not sure what else I can say beyond that I haven't paid anyone to make a page for me. I was approached by the editor after they saw a video of me on CNN. I agree the page was poorly constructed, but am hopeful that the editors here and in the larger community will make it adhere better to the page guidelines. The only thing I'd like to say is that there seems to be a larger issue of "Notable" vs. "Not notable enough". It would seem I am notable as per the guidelines as they currently exist, and there's just one or two editor who thinks I'm "not notable enough" through a subjective interpretation of the current guidelines. This seems like a larger Wikipedia policy issue worthy of discussion, but I think my page is probably an inappropriate place for that to happen. I am a Wikipedia fan, I know people on the board, and I strongly support the removal of sockpuppets and paid for pages, so I am not mad or annoyed about this whole thing. I understand why it's happening, and I hope that these comments I've made assist in the group rendering a decision. :-) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Brandonmendelsonofficial (talkcontribs) 16:12, 19 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. slakrtalk / 03:43, 2 April 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Mark Bergfeld[edit]

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This person does not reach the required notability for inclusion on Wikipedia (see WP:N). Andy (talk) 00:00, 15 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete Changing my vote based on WP:BLP1E and compelling arguments by User:Andymmu. See way down in the discussion. -Ad Orientem (talk) 03:39, 2 April 2014 (UTC)[reply]
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Reply The subject unquestionably meets WP:GNG and WP:BASIC. With regard to his current doings, this is irrelevant. Notability has no expiration date and does not need to be renewed WP:NOTTEMPORARY. Once notable, always notable. -Ad Orientem (talk) 02:00, 2 April 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Reply Read the GNG again. The subject is presumed, not guaranteed, to be suitable for a stand alone article. But nevertheless, around half of the references are primary sources (mostly websites of parties that he was involved with - his own articles do not give him notibility), and the secondary sources are either one or two line quotes or simply his name mentioned in passing (the basic criteria says "trivial coverage of a subject by secondary sources may not be sufficient to establish notability") - with the exception of the article profiling him when running for NUS President, which he didn't win and therefore he fails WP:POLITICIAN, and even if all that wasn't enough WP:BLP1E is very clear. If reliable sources significantly cover a person only for one event, if that person remains a low-profile individual, if the event was not significant (if you're talking about the NUS Presidential election) or the individual's role was either not substantial or not well documented (for the student protests) then we should generally avoid having an article on such a person. So despite arguably (and certainly not "unquestionably") meeting the GNG, detailed Wikipedia policies clearly state we shouldn't have the article. Andymmutalk 02:51, 2 April 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Actually, can I further point out that WP:BASIC specifically references WP:BLP1E as a policy that would exclude the subject from being notable, even if it would otherwise pass the GNG or have basic notability. Andymmutalk 03:24, 2 April 2014 (UTC)[reply]
OK, you have convinced me. BLP1E trumps BASIC and GNG. Changing my vote to delete. -Ad Orientem (talk) 03:39, 2 April 2014 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was delete. j⚛e deckertalk 18:03, 29 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Eva Bonda[edit]

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Non-notable neuroscientist. Only published a few articles between 1995-1996 JenShapiro (talk) 09:00, 22 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was no consensus. slakrtalk / 03:13, 2 April 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Dr. Jassim Haji[edit]

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Non notable. Minor awards only 'DGG (at NYPL)' (talk) 19:48, 11 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]

When I searched for "Jassim Haji" -wikipedia I only got "About 13,900 results", but at any rate, the number of Google results is not evidence of notability. (WP:GHITS)-- Brainy J ~~ (talk) 18:21, 12 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]
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Notable for multiple incidents. Check Conferences. OccultZone (Talk) 07:40, 14 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Passes WP:GNG. OccultZone (Talk) 16:39, 15 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was keep. slakrtalk / 03:15, 2 April 2014 (UTC)[reply]

David Hay, 14th Marquess of Tweeddale[edit]

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Non-notable hereditary Marquess who inherited his title after the House of Lords Act 1999 thus has never possessed the right to sit in the House of Lords. Flaming Ferrari (talk) 16:57, 8 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was keep. Whether a merge occurs can happen after-the-fact re: this afd. slakrtalk / 03:15, 2 April 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Charles John Tottenham, 9th Marquess of Ely[edit]

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Non-notable hereditary Marquess who inherited his title after the House of Lords Act 1999 thus has never possessed the right to sit in the House of Lords. The only career mention given in Who's Who is "Director of Admissions (formerly Head of French Department), Strathcona-Tweedsmuir School, Calgary." Flaming Ferrari (talk) 17:07, 8 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep The solution to incomplete pages is to edit them so they are no longer incomplete. As members of the higher nobility in a country where such nobility has an active legal status, they're notable . when they were legislators it was automatic under WP:POLITICIAN, but it makes sense even now when when they are not. DGG ( talk ) 00:38, 24 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was no consensus. Note: turnout on this was apparently influenced by selective canvassing, so there's no prejudice against speedy renomination. slakrtalk / 03:35, 2 April 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Walter Veith[edit]

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This has been at AfD & deleted before: the rationale for recreation is that the recent accusation of antisemitism has created enough coverage to establish notability. However, there seems to be nothing about this character other than mentions on adventist websites (which are [pretty dismissive]) & hardcore fruit-loop conspiracy theorist pages. Of course, this silence could be down to the Pope acting in collusion with the Illuminati and of course the reverse Vampires.... TheLongTone (talk) 16:59, 8 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Seems like you have put in the article on anti-Semitism, then you present it for deletion. That's seems a bit disingenuous IMHO.Simbagraphix (talk)

That is a misrepresentation of what little editing I have done on the article: it is almost entirely sourced from effectivly self published material, I simply added a quote from a different point of view. The article as it stands is far from neutral. I certainly did not add the stuff about anti-semitism.TheLongTone (talk)

Well it certainly appears in that manner and intent. Simbagraphix (talk)

Just how? What I have been doing is to firstly translate this into something approaching intelligable English and secondly trying to inject a bit of objectivity. Difficult since there are so few reliable sources: which is why I put it to AfD.TheLongTone (talk) 14:46, 9 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]
I'll ignore the allegation that this is a bad faith nomination: its not that the man is a flake, it's that he's a non-notable flake. The Amazing Discoveries article, incidentally, got deleted on the grounds of lack of notability. TheLongTone (talk) 14:46, 9 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]
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May we have sources for these claims? Xxanthippe (talk) 04:43, 14 March 2014 (UTC).[reply]

Veith among creationists[edit]

Answers in Genesis, lead by Ken Ham.
Creation Ministries International
Not exactly a neutral source. Xxanthippe (talk) 02:26, 15 March 2014 (UTC).[reply]
  • Reliable sources don't have to be neutral. They need to be removed from the individual. There is no evidence that Veith has created a bias other than the information he stands for. There is no doubt that Veith stands with other Creationists who have found standing here on Wikipedia. DonaldRichardSands (talk) 02:40, 15 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Kent Hovind
  • On Hovind's blog... "I love Veith’s material except strongly differ on the SDA issue!" See: Kent Hovind's blog

Vieth in Spectrum Magazine[edit]

Spectrum Magazine has a long history of news reporting on the Adventist World. Their work is especially useful here because they keep an arm's length from church control. Observations presented hear are less bias toward the church than most other Adventist magazines.
The articles about Veith are less than flattering. But as mentioned above neutrality is not a criteria for reliability.
Note these:
"Ron Osborn’s recent take on Walter Veith drew thousands of readers and nearly a thousand comments (thus far). "
"Walter Veith is the leading conspiratory voice within Adventism, followed by Bill Hughes and others. Veith has produced hundreds of hours of DVDs that keep his listeners sitting on the edge of the couch. Some viewers are anxious to hear his latest speculations; many are filled with anxiety for the future. Like a drug addiction, the more people view the videos, the more money they spend on these theories."
Note that Veith is the leading conspiratory voice within Adventist which has an annual budget of 50 billion dollars and a world membership of 18 million.
"For how many years has Walter Veith been speaking in our churches? And yet the first thing that’s caught the leaders’ attention is his anti-Semitism? The surprise is not that one region finally banned him, but that he has been for years, and continues to be, invited to speak in Seventh-day Adventist churches around the world! Why is that? It’s because a lot of his conspiratorial nonsense isn’t unwelcome among us. Go where the self-supporting folks are gathered, and you’ll find groups who self-identify as Seventh-day Adventists, whose central beliefs intersect ours on the Venn diagram, but with an appended compliment of their own bizarre ideas, from survivalism to radical health extremism to invisible barcodes on our foreheads to the Adventist church itself being Babylon. It shouldn’t escape your notice that we have had far more patience with Walter Veith and his made-up conspiracies than we showed a respected Adventist scholar who questioned the Investigative Judgment by referring to the Bible alone."
These views need to be properly expressed in the article, which is largely uncritical of Veith.TheLongTone (talk) 11:10, 15 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]

More[edit]

You are mistaken. The only ex officio position that qualifies for WP:Prof is #6. The person has held a highest-level elected or appointed academic post at a major academic institution or major academic society. . Xxanthippe (talk) 21:39, 17 March 2014 (UTC).[reply]

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  • Comment User:Simbagraphix has just recreated Amazing Discoveries. Given that this article has already been deleted because of issues with notability & sourcing and that the recreation relies almost exclusivly on self-published sources, I regard this action as mischievous in the extreme: it certainlt sits poorly beside the statement above about improving sources in the article under discussion.TheLongTone (talk) 01:52, 24 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]
You've already shown cause of being disingenuous, don't go beyond what you already have to add to it. I also created the page, Australian Army during World War I and Tanks in the Australian Army, is this 'mischievous in the extreme' also. IMHO, you are not seeking 'notability & sourcing', but it appears you have another agenda ... Simbagraphix (talk)
Disingenous? where?? I'd appreciate substantiation of that statement, or its withdrawal. The other article is mischeivous because there are clearly notability issues with the article and it would have been wise to have waited before the identical issues with this article were resolved. As for reliable sourcing, I have looked. Without success.TheLongTone (talk) 10:02, 24 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]
It was noted at the top, so check closer. As for reliable sourcing, this article has more than what you find on a vast majority of articles of persons on Wikipedia, so you have other reasons for seeking deletion...Simbagraphix (talk) — Preceding unsigned comment added by 209.12.14.250 (talk) 13:25, 25 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Yes, you accuse me of inserting the stuff about antisemitism, which has been in the article from the beginning. As for my reasons, I am from your point of view clearly under the control of the Pope, the Illuminati and Miss Piggy, so there is little point in attempting a rational discussion.TheLongTone (talk) 15:54, 25 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Hardly in depth coverage, I could whip up as much press coverage for my activities.TheLongTone (talk) 15:54, 25 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]
And also note that the above editor has been approached by User:Simmbagraphix-see below.TheLongTone (talk) 23:41, 25 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Sorry, didn't know about that. I thought editors were allowed to communicate...Simbagraphix (talk) 10:43, 26 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]
I asked about the request for input at the teahouse, and was told that requests such as Simbagraphix request for input are considered legitimate, so long as they don't ask for a vote.Jacona (talk) 14:05, 26 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks for that update JaconaFrere as I get numerous requests to assist in articles from other editors and that had never been an issue. As I rarely have any of my articles go through this process this is a bit new to me, any help is appreciated. Thanks Simbagraphix (talk) 17:30, 26 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]
The teahouse is wrong, WP:CANVAS is quite clear. Neutrally worded messages to unselected editors are allowed. I don't know whether the editors contacted by Simbagraphix were selected or not, but the message clearly asks people to help keep the article, which certainly is not "neutral". Simbagraphix, communicating with other editors is absolutely allowed and even encouraged, but campaigning is not. Please refrain from doing so in future. --Randykitty (talk) 17:42, 26 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]
I agree that this feels like campaigning, but how can one send messages to "unselected" editors?
To an extent I agree: to my mind being a football player is ipso facto to be non notable (and there are not hundreds but possibly hundreds of thousands of Wikipedia article on football players.) The problem with Veith is that he is a highly contentious figure but there are so few truly independant sources that the possiblity of constructing a properly balanced article seems impossible, as well as making his notability questionable. Internet searches are dominated by results from Amazing Discoveries: believe me I have looked quite a long way down the Google hits & tried different search terms but I cannot find anything that can be in any way described as mainstream coverage.TheLongTone (talk) 23:26, 26 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Holding a PhD does not remotely make a person notable. The criteria for WP:Prof are far, far higher. Xxanthippe (talk) 23:32, 26 March 2014 (UTC).[reply]
I found several publications by Veith and added to article. Some of them are cited several times in other publications. He was a true Professor with tenure.
None of this makes him notable. Xxanthippe (talk) 21:32, 27 March 2014 (UTC).[reply]
Agree, I'm no expert on the academic notability criteria but his publising record & cites do not look very impressive: and in any case this is an article based on his supposed notability in another field.TheLongTone (talk) 21:53, 27 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Disagree. The article is Walter Veith, not Walter Veith's role as a defined by something else. Veith is either notable, or he is not.Jacona (talk) 12:05, 28 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Comment: Regarding the sources, Spectrum is regarded by scholars on Adventism as an excellent source (see for example the affirmation by Seeking a Sanctuary), and I believe it can fairly be described as independent. (Although with the expansion of their online content - and thus possibly more non-rigorous material - it may be increasingly necessary to discern based on the individual author also). Some sources are self-published. Others like from creationist organisations or the Adventist Review have value IMO but may do little for notability. (I think the tone/neutrality is good, it's a little negative but that would simply reflect the view of authoritative sources. But neutrality is not notability, of course.) Colin MacLaurin (talk) 04:10, 28 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was no consensus. (non-admin closure) NorthAmerica1000 22:44, 30 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Henry Smith, 5th Viscount Hambleden[edit]

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Non-notable hereditary Viscount who inherited his title after the House of Lords Act 1999 thus has never possessed the right to sit in the House of Lords. Flaming Ferrari (talk) 14:14, 8 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was no consensus. (non-admin closure) NorthAmerica1000 22:47, 30 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Peter Curzon, 4th Viscount Scarsdale[edit]

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Non-notable hereditary Viscount who inherited his title after the House of Lords Act 1999 thus has never possessed the right to sit in the House of Lords. Flaming Ferrari (talk) 14:22, 8 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was keep. slakrtalk / 03:36, 2 April 2014 (UTC)[reply]

David Ward, 5th Earl of Dudley[edit]

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Non-notable hereditary Earl who inherited his title after the House of Lords Act 1999 thus has never possessed the right to sit in the House of Lords. Flaming Ferrari (talk) 16:13, 8 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]

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I have no objection to Keep if others think so. Peterkingiron (talk) 14:23, 22 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was keep. slakrtalk / 03:37, 2 April 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Nicholas Russell, 6th Earl Russell[edit]

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Non-notable hereditary Earl who inherited his title after the House of Lords Act 1999 thus has never possessed the right to sit in the House of Lords. Flaming Ferrari (talk) 16:15, 8 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep per my comments elsewhere on similar AfDs: earls are fairly high up in the peerage. Bearian (talk) 21:39, 31 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was no consensus. (non-admin closure) NorthAmerica1000 22:51, 30 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Patrick Chichester, 8th Marquess of Donegall[edit]

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Non-notable hereditary Marquess in the Peerage of Ireland Flaming Ferrari (talk) 16:47, 8 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep As members of the higher nobility in a country where such nobility has an active legal status, they're notable . when they were legislators it was automatic under WP:POLITICIAN, but it makes sense even now when when they are not. DGG ( talk ) 00:38, 24 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was no consensus. (WP:NPASR). (non-admin closure) NorthAmerica1000 22:57, 30 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Deborah Owusu-Bonsu[edit]

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Non-notable individual lacking non-trivial support. reddogsix (talk) 21:13, 26 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Excuse me to say what does notability mean to you User talk:reddogsix? She's notable in Ghana and beyond especially for her song "Uncle Obama". A simple Google should proves right. She was even interviewed by the CNN. So what else shows she's not notable? Therefore this article shouldn't be deleted. Regards →Enock4seth (talk) 21:24, 26 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment - You have not provided references to the article that support your claim of notability. I can say the moon is made of cream cheese, but without proof all I have done is make an unverifiable statement. All you need to do is add [{WP:IS|independent]], verifiable, non-trivial references to the article that supports WP:BIO. reddogsix (talk) 22:25, 26 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]
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  • Comment - No one has provided any non-trivial support for her notability. As far as her brother and sister's notability, notability is not inherited so their assumed notability is irrelevant. reddogsix (talk) 20:25, 10 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]
  • Links to prove that she is known:
  • Comment - Getting an article in Wikipedia is not about being "known" or being popular. Articles must be supported by indpendent, verifable, non-trivial secondary sources. The first article above is a brief mention, the second is a brief mention of her TV show., the third is might pass as support, but the last is a brief mention and a link to a primary source.reddogsix (talk) 19:49, 11 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]
  • Red Dog at this point I feel you are being difficult, Ghana is a country of 25 million people, quite a large population, Sister Deborah is not only a recording artist who is known across Africa and popular figure in her native land, she hosts one of if not the most popular talk show in the country. Ask any Ghanaian who she is. I dug those references up in 5 minutes. If you need me to dig up the entire internet to prove that this woman is a celebrity in her native country and worthy of an article on Wikipedia, I can do that as well. But Sister Deborah is known for a) Her fashion line first and foremost. b) Her music career. c) Her role in television and Ghanaian popular culture (ie.e radio, hosting events etc.) one could argue that her brother Wanlov the Kubolor is more famous then her. But truth of the matter is she is more mainstream and more popular then her brother in West Africa, particularly for her role in Ghanaian fashion. Having been involved in high profile Fashion shows across the Globe from New York City to Japan (Subzzee (talk) 21:59, 11 March 2014 (UTC))[reply]
  • My biggest issue is the name. Her full name is Deborah Vanessa Owusu-Bonsu, as a Talkshow host she most known as Deborah Vanessa, and as a singer she is known as Sister Deborah. The article goes by Deborah Owusu Bonsu, which is in fact her real name, but I believe she is more known by her stage name Sister Deborah, or as Deborah Vanessa, I guess it depends on the context given. Deborah Owusu-Bonsu is her real name so I guess it is correct after all. (Subzzee (talk) 19:34, 11 March 2014 (UTC))[reply]
  • No opinion on keep or delete, but just wanted to point out that the actual name of the article is only a minor issue. Figure out which is the canonical name, and call the article that. Then, take all the other possibilities (i.e. strings a user might type into a search box) and make them all redirects to the canonical one. -- RoySmith (talk) 12:29, 20 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment - "Real-World" notability (popularity) does not equal notability. Just because she is "well known" in Ghana or appears on billboards is not a reason for inclusion into Wikipedia. reddogsix (talk) 21:48, 12 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]
  • Ok, seems I will have to dig up the internet for you then, you clearly don't have an understanding of who she is. I also don't believe you have an understanding of who is and who isn't a celebrity in Ghana, or even what for. I don't think you know what you are dealing with here, because if you had ever spent significant time in Ghana, or any country in West Africa for that matter, you would know who she is and understand why she deserves to have an article on Wikipedia. She is a Fashion designer/Vocalist who has singles in the charts in more then one country, and is the host of one of the most popular television shows in the country. Furthermore this is the English Wikipedia, which happens to also be the national language of Ghana, a country in which Sister Deborah is well known and respected. I will add more articles to further prove her notability (although I am a bit surprised that you don't consider CNN or MTV as credible sources proving her notability) (Subzzee (talk) 18:49, 13 March 2014 (UTC))[reply]
  • Comment - Please read WP:42. reddogsix (talk) 22:10, 13 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]
  • Reply You act like that would be hard to find. I am at work now, but a bit later I will give you the references you asked for. (Subzzee (talk) 17:04, 14 March 2014 (UTC))[reply]
  • Comment - Please don't assume to read my mind or my actions, providing references is not my WP:BURDEN. reddogsix (talk) 17:13, 14 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was Speedy delete WP:CSD#A7. Guy (Help!) 23:00, 22 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]

The Foddit[edit]

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A self-published 23-page ebook. Only links that I could find was on eBay and Amazon. Prod was contested Bgwhite (talk) 04:46, 22 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete.  — Crisco 1492 (talk) 09:30, 30 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Hans Riemer[edit]

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County-level councillor without enough properly sourced evidence of notability to get him past WP:POLITICIAN; the lowest level of office at which people become "entitled" to an article is the state legislature, not a county council. Delete unless a much better article can be written than this. Bearcat (talk) 03:24, 22 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]

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Just to clarify, he lost once, ran again and won the second time. So he is an actual officeholder, and not just an unsuccessful candidate — but you are correct that the office he holds isn't notable enough by itself. Bearcat (talk) 01:25, 24 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was delete--Ymblanter (talk) 09:04, 29 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Sunwei[edit]

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Notability issues — billinghurst sDrewth 02:33, 14 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was merge to Fallout (series). (non-admin closure) buffbills7701 01:10, 29 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]

New California Republic[edit]

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I don't think the New California Republic is really notable/recognizable beyond the Fallout community like The Master or Dogmeat, or even some fan-fictions based on the franchise itself (really sad, huh?), and fails WP:GNG. Being a Legion and an Enclave supporter, I'm staying neutral on this one. Citation Needed | Talk 11:26, 14 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Have you considered a merge redirect to the series article?--70.49.72.34 (talk) 03:00, 16 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was speedy keep. The original rationale for deletion was that it this article duplicates an existing article, Satra Ko shadi Hai. Since that article has been turned into a redirect to this one by the nominator, there is no remaining argument for deletion (WP:SK#1). If the nominator wishes to continue to pursue deletion, they may speedily renominate with a new reason for deletion. (non-admin closure) Mz7 (talk) 01:08, 22 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Satra Ko Shaadi Hai[edit]

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A recently created article with no relevant page history that duplicates an existing English Wikipedia topic : Satra Ko shadi Hai Abhinav (talk) 22:13, 14 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. SmartSE (talk) 12:09, 30 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Warren Woods[edit]

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Subject is a local sports media personality. Insufficiently notable as evidenced by the lack of extensive coverage outside of local media sources. Drm310 (talk) 04:47, 15 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was keep. (non-admin closure) DavidLeighEllis (talk) 00:54, 29 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Kevin James Maher[edit]

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Procedural nomination. What happened here is that an editor with no prior contribution history added the AFD template to this article and then walked away without completing the nomination process, following which a different editor filled out the nomination form with a personal attack on the templater instead of just removing the tag. (The latter editor, for the record, is an WP:SPA who's never made a single edit to Wikipedia that didn't directly pertain to Maher or his band — so there's the possibility of a WP:COI violation here as well.) After reviewing the situation, however, I'm opting to complete the proper nomination process instead of just quashing the whole thing, as there is a valid reason why Wikipedia should consider deleting or redirecting this instead of leaving it as a standalone article: specifically, the article does not actually make a strong or well-referenced claim that he actually passes WP:NMUSIC — he's a musician who's notable primarily for his work in a band, and does not have enough coverage as an independent topic to really merit anything more than a redirect to the band. The only sources that have been added here at all are ones which mention his name in passing, but which are fundamentally about Louise Burns rather than Maher — and that fails to constitute substantive coverage of Maher. Probably the best course of action here would be a redirect to Fake Shark – Real Zombie!, although of course I'd be happy to withdraw this if the sourcing and notability claim can be improved. Bearcat (talk) 17:24, 15 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]

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I'd be happy to withdraw this if some of those sources actually started finding their way into the article, instead of just getting listed here. Bearcat (talk) 01:28, 24 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]
User:Bearcat: Respectfully, please read WP:AFDISNOTCLEANUP. NorthAmerica1000 03:19, 24 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Respectfully, quality in the here and now does matter. It would take a ridiculous amount of time and wasted energy to actually delve into an extended philosophical argument about the relative merits of immediatism vs. eventualism — whereas it would take, what, a whole five to ten minutes for somebody to just buckle down and toss those five links into the article right away? Minimal effort for maximum payoff — I don't think it's that unreasonable. Bearcat (talk) 03:42, 24 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]
User:Bearcat: So why not do it yourself then? NorthAmerica1000 04:22, 24 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Because you're the one who wants the article to be kept and I'm not? Bearcat (talk) 04:50, 24 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was delete.  — Crisco 1492 (talk) 09:31, 30 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Billy Dennis (Irish footballer)[edit]

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PROD contested with the following reason "I'm deeply disturbed that someone would take a 7-year old article about a long-term player, who appears to have been the leading scorer on his team during the pre-war era. Inconceivable that if one had access to the media of the time that meet WP:GNG)" - Fails WP:NFOOTBALL and WP:GNG.. non-notable player, who never played in a fully pro league. JMHamo (talk) 00:53, 22 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]

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  • ... and then this leads to [37] almost $100 with shipping and fees. Nfitz (talk) 01:37, 22 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]
  • It is a commercial venture that takes Wikipedia articles, prints them up, and sells them as "books" to suckers. The best known example is Books LLC. Of course, the value of such trash is zero for establishing notability. Maybe less than zero. Cullen328 Let's discuss it 05:48, 22 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]
  • That much is obvious. Is there more to it than though? That something has been done with Wiki material is one thing. Is there any indication that the material itself has been trumped up to allow this to be done? Nfitz (talk) 00:22, 23 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]
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I was working on the basis that the senior league of any sport in any country is entitled to have some articles. However, I do not claim to be a football expert. We are dealing with a relatively distnat period, and should not expect the criteria applicable to the presnet to be applied rigorously to periods when there was much less money about. Peterkingiron (talk) 18:42, 23 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]
While I very much agree with you, and think we spend far too much time deleting non-current historic players, who aren't easy to verify, I'm not sure this the hill to die on. It's hard to find much mention of him at all (let alone anything establishing notability), which is surprising, given the amount of books from that period that Google has digitized. There's likely a better case to be made for some of the many other Irish players currently up for deletion. Nfitz (talk) 20:40, 23 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was delete--Ymblanter (talk) 08:55, 29 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Thiago Andrade[edit]

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Contested PROD. Original concern was: "This article is completely unsourced, the subject probably fails both WP:ATHLETE and WP:GNG, and the article was written by an editor with a name remarkably similar to the name of the subject, creating a likely WP:COI issue." The only significant contributor to the article removed the PROD and added some references, but only one of these even mentions the subject of the article and still does not indicate any level of notability. – PeeJay 00:27, 22 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]

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