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The result was delete. - Mailer Diablo 10:52, 7 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Azai Masazumi[edit]

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This stub article lacks any verifiable sources, and may not even be a true notable historical figure. With no verifiable sources, a history article is inherently worthless. Per "Burden of Evidence": "The burden of evidence lies with the editor who adds or restores material. Material that is challenged or likely to be challenged needs a reliable source, which should be cited in the article. Quotations should also be attributed. If an article topic has no reliable, third-party sources, Wikipedia should not have an article on it." --Kuuzo 17:06, 2 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was redirect and merge Adam Cuerden talk 14:28, 8 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Edgewood Middle School[edit]

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Non Notable middle school. Sourced only to the school web site. No indication that the school is in any significant way distinct from may other schools of its general type. DES (talk) 00:00, 3 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. Sr13 00:15, 7 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Charles Carreon[edit]

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No third party sources showing notability, quick Google source does not reveal any as well Aboutmovies 23:11, 2 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. Sr13 00:12, 7 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Teenage Rehab[edit]

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Non-notable band. Asserts no notability; has no sources. Seicer (talk) (contribs) 22:39, 2 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. Sr13 23:57, 6 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

MeNTOPPIX[edit]

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Notability to come. Chealer 21:57, 2 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was keep Adam Cuerden talk 14:35, 8 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Jean-Philippe Guillemin[edit]

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Article doesn't establish notability and is unsourced. Chealer 21:52, 2 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. - Mailer Diablo 10:59, 7 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Bermaga[edit]

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Per WP:MADEUP and WP:OR. This is an article is original research and its content is non-notable. -- Wikipedical 21:44, 2 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was Speedy delete as completely non-notable student film, utterly unverifiable crystalballism. Sole support for the article is most likely from sockpuppets. Pascal.Tesson 04:57, 3 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Torrent This! (The Movie)[edit]

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Appears to be an amateur/student film; no evidence of notability or verifiability, zero Google hits for the film title in conjunction with either of its stars. Contested prod. ~Matticus TC 21:41, 2 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was keep. - Mailer Diablo 14:49, 7 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Mothers Apart from Their Children[edit]

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Non-notable charity, no claims of notability. Corvus cornix 21:31, 2 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was keep. - Mailer Diablo 14:51, 7 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

2Moons[edit]

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Non-notable website which doesn't even exist yet. Fails WP:WEB. Corvus cornix 21:25, 2 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Changing to keep as per further discussion below. Tony Fox (arf!) 18:19, 5 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was delete. Sr13 07:52, 7 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Salocin[edit]

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Notability to come. Chealer 21:15, 2 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was DELETE I'd consider a merge, but it is all unreferenced - I'm willing to undelete the history if anyone wants it for a merge - but they'll need to be prepared to reference every entry. -Docg 08:46, 8 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

WAGs of 2006[edit]

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This is a list of girlfriends of the members of the England football team at the 2006 World cup, and as such I suggest it falls foul of Wikipedia is not an indiscriminate collection of information. Tim! 20:55, 2 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

There is no doubt that some WAGs have notability of their own and that most of them are featured in the press, but the problem with this article is that it is pure gossip and has no encyclopedic value at all. Malc82 20:27, 3 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was delete. Though my spider-sense detects a looming deletion review, the arguments to delete, in my opinion, outweight those to keep. The list is split by state so is in essentially the same format as Category:Synagogues in the United States. Mallanox 12:47, 10 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

List of synagogues in the United States[edit]

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Violates WP:NOT as a directory. Clarityfiend 20:18, 2 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

  • Comment: Do you ever go fishing? -- simxp (talk) 10:36, 4 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment: You wouldn't be implying that I'm antisemitic, would you? The reason I nominated this article is quite simple: it's the first such list that I stumbled across during my "random article" tour of Wikipedia. I invite you to examine any of my mainspace and reference desk edits for any such prejudice. In particular, you might check my work on the Raoul Wallenberg article. Clarityfiend 18:53, 4 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • If you are going to occupy yourself with finding lists to delete, I suggest you start with Tamil Nadu which has over 700 Redlinked and non-linked entries….. just as a fisherman prefers catching the largest fish! Chesdovi 15:16, 4 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Commentators on this AfD may also wish to consider Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of synagogues

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The result was merge with Cincinnati Mighty Ducks Adam Cuerden talk 14:45, 8 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Cincinnati RailRaiders[edit]

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The result was delete Mr.Z-mantalk¢ 20:32, 8 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

List of songs with the name of a musical performer in their title[edit]

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Delete - similar to many other recently deleted pages for similar lists, this is an indiscriminate directory of loosely-associated topics. The inclusion criteria are a bit on the broad side, capturing songs from which acts took their names and songs which have pre-existing musical act's names in them. Beyond that, the songs have nothing in common beyond happening to have a music act's name in the title. As trivial as the many other lists of songs deleted, including: Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of English songs whose title includes the name of a landmark, Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of songs with the word "song" in their title or lyrics, Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of English songs whose title includes the name of a fictional place, Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of songs whose title includes a phone number (3rd nomination), Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of songs that are also the name of a TV show, Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of songs whose title includes dates and times. This was nominated once for deletion in 2004 with a result of "PAGE ALTERED significantly to make the vote invalid." Otto4711 19:54, 2 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. - Mailer Diablo 11:00, 7 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

NetHack (hacking game)[edit]

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Non-notable and apparently unreleased web game that fails WP:CRYSTAL and WP:WEB. Was prodded for deletion five days ago, and unprodded by the game's developer today, without explanation or any attempts to explain notability. McGeddon 19:41, 2 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was Delete. No good sources Peacent 04:34, 9 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

UniLang[edit]

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The article does not assert the subject's notability (WP:CSD#A7, however it has survived an AfD before, with no subsequent improvement). Article has peacock terms and reads almost as an advertisement. Article cites zero sources, and appears to be original research. I tagged it needing serious work over a week ago and nobody seemed to take notice. -wizzard2k (CTD) 18:58, 2 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was Delete. Banno 21:22, 2 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Paul Rumsby[edit]

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autobiography strongly discouraged by WP:AUTO and subject non-notable in any case Barnabypage 17:33, 2 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was Withdrawn by nominator. Funpika 02:12, 3 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Camp Hyrule[edit]

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It is about an annual online event that is not notable enough for inclusion in Wikipedia. Funpika 16:13, 2 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete Adam Cuerden talk 02:06, 8 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

List of songs covered by the Foo Fighters[edit]

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Delete - another list of covers. As with the article for Hendrix covers (deleted) and for other lists of covers, it is not notable that the band happened to perform a song in concert. Released recorded covers which are notable should be noted in articles for the songs or in the Foo Fighters discography. I added the released recordings section to that article (and it requires sourcing). This article should be deleted. Otto4711 15:30, 2 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was keep and remove infringing information where appropriate. Krimpet (talk) 06:43, 3 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Liquid breathing[edit]

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Disputed speedy delete.

Page Liquid breathing has existed since 02:19, 11 November 2003.

Anthony Appleyard 15:36, 2 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete Mallanox 12:53, 10 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Hamsaya[edit]

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This article has been started and conducted with only one 19th century racist source. It alleges that the well known tribe of Awans which was as a major land owner tribe and some parts as an aristocratic ruling tribe, was somehow in subjugation to the Pathans in the NWFP, which is not only incorrect but derogatory. Please see the discussion page of this article for further info. The author only states one NON LOCAL source for the evidence of this assertion. The word Hamsaya simply means neighbour. This article serves no purpose and is actually an insensitive and offensive to entire tribe which runs into millions. Raja 14:51, 2 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

“ham sayah, n.m. Neighbour”

If an entry on this particular term is to be included on Wikipedia, then the above – and variants on this definition – is the only definition that reflects a realistic, accurate and generally understood application of the term (as opposed to the bastardised definition limited to the Pathan community), both in the past and present. Furthermore, does this mean that Wikipedia is also going to serve as a Hindi-Urdu dictionary for mundane words used in everyday conversation?

As for proof that the term, as outlined by the article, is derogatory, please refer to comments I have reproduced below, that I originally left on the Hamsaya discussion page. You will discover that the author of the source that Intothefire pointed to in support of his article (S.S. Thorburn, a district officer of the Punjab who compiled the source material in question during the nineteenth century, 1876 to be precise, the title of the work being, Bannu: Our Afghan Frontier, and the section of the source material that has been highlighted, detailing various old Pashto proverbs which are quite frankly, flimsy material for a Wikipedia article), actually states himself that the use of the terms Hamsaya and Hindkais/Hindkis – terms which are interchangeable – are based on Pathan prejudices and jealousies and even during the nineteenth century did not reflect the reality of the situation vis-à-vis the Awan tribe; in fact, Thorburn states that use of the terms Hamsaya/Hindkais, as applied by the Pathan community at the time, cannot even be justified. Please also note additional reasons I have provided for the use of the term Hamsaya, as defined by Intothefire’s article, as leading the reader into making assumptions about the Awan tribe that are disingenuous and worse still, possibly giving the impression to some that use of this term (which as I have stressed, as outlined by the article, is problematic) is currently applicable:

Intothefire

You state that the source you use for the Hamsaya article is widely used on Wikipedia, yet you don’t seem to understand one simple point – the term as defined by your article is now redundant (not surprising, considering the age of the source material used), something that your article does not clarify. The source you provide a link to is a proverb, based on Pathan prejudices. Tell me, do you think that old derogatory proverbs coined by the English in regard to the Welsh and the Scots, should still carry any weight and relevance in this day and age? The word Hamsaya also has a variety of meanings and though you may claim that others can go ahead and include these definitions in the article, Wikipedia is not a Hindi-Urdu dictionary and to define the term as the Pathans used to, is inaccurate and misleading.

As I said, I have spent time in the NWFP and have to inform you that the term is no longer applied as your article outlines, ergo, your article is irrelevant as it does not recognise present day realities. A significant number of those belonging to social groups that were in subordination to Pathan groups, have now experienced a change in fortunes (as is to be expected over the course of time), yet another reason why the term, as defined by your article, is outdated and irrelevant.

I have demonstrated that I have no problem in admitting that there are Awans who were and still do belong to the poorer elements of society (true of all Punjabi Muslim groups of a generally accepted high social ranking such as the Awans) and as a result, found/find themselves in the service of others, but the spin your article puts on this is to give the impression that this is the general condition of Awans found in the NWFP and its neighbouring regions, which is complete and utter nonsense. Firstly, amongst the descendants of those Awans residing in the NWFP, who were in the service of certain Pathan groups in certain localities (such as Bannu) a significant number have experienced a change in their fortunes. In fact, the source you have provided a link to (not a Pakistani source as you claim, but one that actually dates to the time of the British Raj), at the time of its publication, i.e. the nineteenth century (which underlines that not only is the source of your definition limited and prejudiced, but it is also archaic), patently states in the words of its author, S.S. Thorburn, that the Awans who were classed as Hamsaya by the Bannuchis, as:

“Being better labourers, and more thrifty, they gradually acquired land and increased in numbers, which, naturally enough, has prevented them from being popular amongst the Bannuchis, or rather Pathan Bannuchis, as Hindkais are now, to all intents and purposes, Bannuchis themselves, having been settled from two to five or more generations in the valley. Their old masters are fond of ascribing to them all those vices which we know they themselves possess.” http://www.khyber.org/pashtolanguage/pashtoproverbs/classlocal-a.shtml

In other words, if you read that statement I have italicised, even during the nineteenth century, Thorburn comments that the connotations carried by the term Hamsaya during this period of time, were outdated and thus the term, a misnomer, given the change in status experienced by this section of the Awan tribe (Thorburn stating that this section of society should be referred to as Bannuchis and not Hamsaya/Hindkai). Furthermore, Thorburn clearly indicates that the derisory term is based on racist notions, more proof that the term is inaccurate (and note the use of the phrase “old masters” even during that period of time). Also note that Thorburn also makes the point that the Bannuchi Pathans are in no position to vilify others.

In fact, looking at the link to the source you have provided, Thorburn states in his introduction:

“Hindkais are roundly abused… because of their superior thrift and energy in cultivation… as far as I have observed, the Hindkais are most unjustly vilified. Probably motives of jealousy alone have warped the judgement of their former Pathan masters about them. http://www.khyber.org/pashtolanguage/pashtoproverbs/classlocal-a.shtml

Even the author of the source you have cited has stated that the manner in which the Pathans addressed those residing in their areas who were of non-Pathan origin (i.e. Punjabi migrants) was unjustified and that the prejudiced Pathan attitudes were the result of jealousy. Moreover, Thorburn has quite clearly stated that by the nineteenth century, when the source you have referred to was compiled, the groups that are the topic of discussion were no longer subordinate to Pathans (hence his reference to former Pathan masters), further proof that your article is irrelevant because hamsaya as defined by your article, is invalid, warped and unreliable.

Your article does not even acknowledge the present day status of the groups that Pathans referred to in such derogatory terms, nor does it make reference to the fact that the term is rooted in bias and that its use cannot be justified; if you had done so, you would have been forced to realise just how outdated the term hamsaya, as defined by your article, is. I gave three specific examples relating to the Awans, including one taken from an official Pakistani government source. To recap:

“Sayeds and Swatis, and to some extent Awans, are influential landowners; others are either tenants or tenants-cum-landowners.” http://www.fao.org/docrep/006/Y4856E/y4856e0g.htm

The above quote relates to Kaghan (NWFP), where Awans don’t even form a significant proportion of the population, yet a clear distinction is made between them and dependant groups.

“In Punjab and NWFP, the Kammis were dominated by other castes such as the Awans and the Kharals.” http://www.dfid.gov.uk/pubs/files/ppa-national.pdf

The above is from a recent Pakistani government source – note it refers to the position of the Awan tribe in the NWFP as well as Punjab.

Even during the nineteenth century, the majority of Awans still managed to maintain a standing that often led them to being virtually indistinguishable from the larger Pathan community, a situation that continues to this day, hence the quote I reproduced:

Next to the Pathans are the Awans. They are an agricultural tribe like the Pathans and have many characteristics in common with them.” http://www.opf.org.pk/almanac/P/provinces.htm

And as I stressed earlier, what really makes a mockery of the term hamsaya, as defined by your article and applied to tribes such as the Awans who either resided within the NWFP or neighboured (something that your article alludes to) the Frontier Pathans, is that in regions of the Punjab such as the districts of Attock (where Fatehjang is located) and Mianwali (where Kalabagh is located) that border the NWFP, Awans maintained and continue to maintain a dominant position despite the heavy presence of Pathans within these regions and across the border in NWFP. Again, to recap:

“Fatehjang and Kalabagh, which border the NWFP, are the residencies of Malik Mohammad Asad Khan (the current Nawab of Kalabagh) and Prince Malik Ata Mohammad Khan (hereditary lord and master of Fatehjang and one of Pakistan's most powerful feudal lords) and both men are of course, Awans. It should also be noted that both dynasties have retained their pre-eminent status in regions that are heavily populated by Pathans.”

I am sorry, but the above facts, make a mockery of the term hamsaya when used as a term to describe Awans living on the border of the NWFP as being subordinate to any group (as your article suggests), let alone Pathans. As I said earlier, you have created your article by taking comments relating to the use of the word hamsaya amongst nineteenth century Pathan society, out of context.

And contrary to your claim, the article cannot be “suitably amended and developed to accommodate a broader scope.” Firstly, Wikipedia is not a foreign language dictionary, and the word hamsaya, in reality, is nothing more than a Hindi-Urdu term with a variety of mundane, everyday meanings. Secondly, your definition of the term, as has been described, relies on a single, narrow definition of the term that is also happens to be racist and more importantly, erroneous and thus does not deserve inclusion in any article outlining definitions of the term, especially as the term itself, as defined by your article, is now obsolete and null and void, i.e. it does not reflect present day realties – in fact, even the author of the source you referred to states that the use of the term as a derisory reference to “Hindkais” was outdated in the nineteenth century. Lastly, when even the author of the source you provided a link to comments that the use of the word Hamasya as defined by your article, is unjustified, misleading, based on jealously and prejudice and outdated (even at that time it did not reflect the reality of the situation), then not only is your article irrelevant and misleading, but it also most certainly deserves to be deleted.

To reiterate, the article is inaccurate, anachronistic, skewered, and offensive to Awans because of the false impression it creates and thus serves no purpose at all. Malik Awan 1 00:44, 7 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was This is still being openly debated on DRV. Please let that debate run. If we have two debates and potentially two different results all we will have is madness. If DRV overturns the deletion, then if anyone still wants it deleted they can come here. This is not a place to come for undeletions. -Docg 22:38, 3 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Tanya Kach[edit]

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Procedural note: This article was deleted by an admin as a WP:BLP/WP:DIGNITY violation, and this has been questioned at DRV. I have noticed that debates on this kind of thing at DRV tend to get distracted, and that the debate being here would keep the debate on the key issue: whether this article should remain or whether it should be deleted. I've chosen to run an experiment in this case based on the process I proposed at #WP:DIGNITY deletions. The article will remain deleted during the debate: the DRV statement (which I've copied) provides enough information for the debate to take place on whether the topic is appropriate, which is the only point that needs to be settled. I ask that this debate not be closed on procedural grounds. Thanks. Mangojuicetalk 14:19, 2 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Tanya Kach was a kidnapping victim and now the article has been deleted in the recent spate of BLP paranoia (see Talk:Michael_J._Devlin#Bad_move for a response to a particularly stupid application recently). The incredibly tenuous interpretation of WP:NOT-Newspaper is definitely vague enough to not warrant a speedy. I'm absolutely not a fan of how Wikipedia carries News events, favouring subtrivial worthless nothings such as Essjay and Joshua Gardner just because they appeal to the techidiots. I've held this view for a long time, here's an edit I made around 15 months ago berating Wikipedia's current events.

Yet this case is way more notable and covered in the mainstream press, generating more relevant hits in Google News than either Essjay trivia and Joshua Gardner rubbish. Her case involves various reported twists an turns, her name is widely known in the public sphere. Although the best place for an article on this case may not be in the form of a biography, a biography could make a very efficient catalogue of all the information. Wikipedia is for the reader first, it is an encyclopedia first. There is a chance that readers will come looking for encyclopedic information on this case, we can provide that, and this event being notable, we should provide that.

You can take a look at a snapshot of the speedied article at the Google cache, you may feel it isn't notable, you may feel it is, it could definitely have done with improvement. But what it isn't is an insta-delete with zero but one's input. When I joined Wikipedia and started voting at RFA, Adminship was no big deal, I just don't trust admins to delete anything they want under the new WP:NOT-Newspaper directive without community input. Restore the article, move it if you want, list at AFD if needs be, but speedy it ain't. - hahnchen 11:05, 2 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Apart from the article (which, naturally, should remain deleted as an intrusion on the privacy of a minor child and doesn't warrant a tabloid response) might I comment to your "started voting at RFA". "Voting" doesn't happen on WP about articles per se, each 'pro' and 'con' is taken into account in the final decision but isn't an absolute 'vote'. --AlisonW 16:18, 2 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]
That you actually think the word "vote" is relevant at all in this discussion shows an absolute failure to understand the point being made. Tanya Kach is not a minor. Every major news outlet is not "tabloid". Privacy of a now-public individual does not trump Wikipedia's core goal of being an encyclopedia. Are you one of those who feel that all victims names should be castigated from Wikipedia because of some holier-than-media BLP paranoia? Should Shawn Hornbeck be a redlink instead of a redirect? We're here for the readers, not as some kind of futile information barrier. I've linked this discussion in the DRV nomination - Talk:Michael_J._Devlin#Bad_move, I suggest you read it. Incidentally, RFA is a vote, it has always been a vote, calling it a "discussion" is just a get-out clause so Bureaucrats can be elastic in their own judgments when closing decisions. The fact that in reality its still largely a vote lead to the ridiculous RFC style RFA we saw. I happen to call spades, spades. - hahnchen 17:06, 2 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Aniother one in a long line to keep.--Lucy-marie 17:07, 2 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

A debate on this forum can't overturn a deletion. I've closed the nomination asking the nominator to use the appropriate forum, but he has decided to let this debate go ahead, and I think that's okay.
If undeleted as a result of a debate here, however, the article will be deleted again. Whatever the result, this innovative attempt at resolution (which I certainly think wasn't such a mad punt as to be disruptive) will be entered into the arbitration on BLP as an example of the community making sincere and determined efforts to overcome shortcomings in deletion policy. --Tony Sidaway 20:47, 2 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Shortcomings in the deletion policy? The deletion policy works just fine when controversial deletions are submitted to the community before they are deleted, which is what the policy actually says should happen. What is actually happening is we are trying to overcome the shortcomings of admins who disregard the policy, while assuming good faith and not wheel warring. Not an easy task, let me tell you. -N 21:11, 2 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was delete Adam Cuerden talk 13:02, 8 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

2005-06 ACC Men's basketball season[edit]

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orphaned article that does not deserve an article of its own. Easily can be incorporated into article on ACC or other related article and then deleted. Postcard Cathy 13:59, 2 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was keep. -- Black Falcon (Talk) 23:34, 8 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

2002 Atlantic 10 Men's Basketball Tournament[edit]

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prod removed; doesn't seem worthy of a stand alone article. Postcard Cathy 13:56, 2 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. - Mailer Diablo 14:52, 7 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Kelvin Owusu Bossman[edit]

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prod removed without article being improved in any significant way. Edit summary says there are many google hits for this guy but one should not have to go outside wiki to determine wiki worthiness. Article should show wiki worthiness and this article does not and editor(s) don't seem willing to improve it to the point that it does. Postcard Cathy 13:51, 2 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Standards for footballers are straightforward - the player must have played a full senior international or in a first-team match for his club team. Reading FC qualifies and so would an appearance for the Ghanaian team, but he's not there yet. Delete for now but that's no bar to recreation when he meets the standard. -- BPMullins | Talk 14:28, 2 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Where are these standards? I tried finding them, but didn't get anything. --Wafulz 14:37, 2 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]
I think this is what is being refered to. meshach 16:24, 2 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]
I meant specifically for soccer. My comment quotes what you're linking. I know in the ice hockey wikiproject a top prospect is considered notable enough for an article, so I was wondering if soccer was similar. --Wafulz 14:22, 4 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was delete Adam Cuerden talk 14:50, 8 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Frappr[edit]

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Result of last AfD was "keep, stubify, cleanup to remove "advert-ishness", and reference.". Total number of references added since then: zero. Cleanup tagged since January; total substantive changes since January: none. One spelling fix, two meta-maintenance. Seems that as long as we carry their directory entry, nobody cares enough to actually provide any evidence of verifiable content, or references from which we can establish neutrality and assure ourselves that the article does not contain original research. The originator and main editor has not edited since December 2006. It is hard to escape the conclusion that nobody actually cares about this subject. Guy (Help!) 13:24, 2 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was User:Krimpet/Image macroUser:Krimpet/Image macro textUser:Krimpet/Image macro image Krimpet (talk) 06:57, 3 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

List of Online Webcam Communities[edit]

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Blatent advertising, could be put through under speedy GC11, but unsure so will leave to admin Willow177 13:23, 2 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was Userfied to User:Paulasamson. Self-evident autobiography. Guy (Help!) 13:27, 2 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Paula samson[edit]

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Non-notable subject - no google hits support the notability of this article. There has been no response to a request for references. This article appears to an autobiography, which violates WP:COI. Evb-wiki 13:14, 2 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. Redirect optional. - Mailer Diablo 14:53, 7 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Bishop McCort Football[edit]

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prod'd once already; went to prod again when I noticed. This article says absolutely nothing useful. There is more info on the football team on the HS page then there is here. Notability has been tagged already. This page is redundant. Postcard Cathy 12:20, 2 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. - Mailer Diablo 14:13, 7 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Terry Hershey[edit]

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This is a promotional article with no encyclopedic value. The subject is not notable - he's just an "inspirational speaker" and a garden designer. It was previously speedied for non-notability but reinstated so the author could improve it - the evidence of notability is thin to non-existent but there is now an assertion, so no longer speediable. andy 10:59, 27 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]


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That Terry is a she ([14]). Stammer 13:40, 2 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was keep. - Mailer Diablo 14:54, 7 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Kembra Pfahler[edit]

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Unverified, fails WP:BIO. Prod removed without comment who IP dropped by to add a cross-reference to her brother. Deiz talk 10:27, 27 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]


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The result was withdrawn by proposer, verifiability problems solved. Thanks and respect to all involved. --Tony Sidaway 01:55, 3 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Al Herpin[edit]

This article has been around for nearly a year without any significant improvement. It's an orphan and until I stuck a proposed deletion tag on it had no references. The references it has now appear to be a website that offers up this story as a means of inspiring simpletons with blind faith, and another site that deals in tales of levitation, witchcraft, fortune telling and the like. Nothing reliable there. If a single reliable source cannot be found for this, we're better off without it. --Tony Sidaway 11:38, 2 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

But, in my opinion, an article of this type without sources cannot reasonably be assumed to be sourceable. DGG 00:27, 3 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was delete under WP:CRYSTAL Adam Cuerden talk 13:00, 8 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

UFO2000[edit]

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No assertion of notability and no independent references (WP:N, WP:V) and has been tagged with such concerns since December. Prod at that time was removed with the belief that an external wiki and a directory listing was enough to show it's notability. Marasmusine 11:29, 2 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete Adam Cuerden talk 12:58, 8 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Australian International College of Art[edit]

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Appears to fail WP:CORP, non notable, created by username that suggests COI a year ago and little modified since. Orderinchaos 11:02, 2 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

  • Comment Being an approved institution under some Govt. Act does not confer notability by association. Using the logic of the above user opens the door to articles about every single small suburban hairdressing college, beauty school, trade union training company, or interest group providing such accredited courses being included. That's exactly what WP:CORP intends to stop by setting a reasonable bar for article inclusion. The article subject in question has not been the subject of secondary sources which meet the WP:RS standard. Could someone with Factiva access checks out the newspaper references that have now been cited within the article, and provide a considered opinion on if these are considered reliable secondary sources? Thewinchester (talk) 23:31, 5 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]
    • My RTO threshold given above does not allow any RTO to be considered notable enough; I even gave a small sample of RTOs that would all fail. John Vandenberg 04:44, 6 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]
    • Comment Why doesn't it have a .edu.au then? Checked Factiva - 8 hits only, all of which are in the Courier Mail or Gold Coast Bulletin. All of the CM articles are in fact ads, written in magazine sections of the paper, with very similar wording to each other and giving the phone number and website and not even trying to use journalistic language. Note that TAFE campuses are generally not notable (although can be), but TAFE colleges (i.e. multicampus) generally are. The fact few have an article to this point is neither here nor there. Orderinchaos 01:03, 6 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]
      • This company does fulfil the requirements of qld.edu.au as it is registered with the Queensland Training Recognition Council (not difficult); access to .edu.au for RTOs is much more difficult, as the state government must approve the courses under the state act (the QLD list). John Vandenberg 04:44, 6 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was speedy delete per G7 - nominator is both subject and author of the page. Orderinchaos 11:04, 2 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Jonas_gorauskas[edit]

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Jgorauskas 09:24, 2 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. - Mailer Diablo 14:14, 7 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Enabler[edit]

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Literally a dictionary definition from a non-free dictionary. Wikipedia is not a dictionary. I don't see this contested prod going anywhere. MER-C 07:47, 2 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was REDIRECT to LiveJournal#Account suspension controversy. The clear consensus is that there should be no article here. So I'm going to redirect this. There is near on a deletion consensus, but I see no presssing need providing it stays redirected. There's less of a consensus about where to redirect, so I'm content if discussion on the talk page results in a better target. If the redirect is undone, then the article should be deleted.-Docg 08:55, 8 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Warriors for innocence[edit]

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This page fails notability guidelines web 1 and 3. Also fails a BLP check by maliciously labelling the group using a biased groups' definition of them. Article is related to recentivist activity at LiveJournal. Only sources used on the entry are from livejournal blog posts, and the only reference to them in a non-livejournal based link is a passing mention in a single news story on news.com related to the suspension of potentially pedophilic blogs on Livejournal.com. Non-notable website. Kyaa the Catlord 07:26, 2 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Disclosure: This was a contested prod. I placed a couple of maintainence tags on the article and am actively editting the LiveJournal article subsection in which this group is being portrayed as the root cause of the suspension of allegedly pedophilia related articles. Kyaa the Catlord 08:40, 2 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Note - Web criteria 1: The content itself has been the subject of multiple non-trivial works whose source is independent of :the content itself. (WFI does not meet this criteria since it is not the subject of any of the non-trivial articles linked on the article).
Web criteria 2: The content has won an award... (WFI? No awards here.)
Web criteria 3: The content is distributed via a medium which is both well-known and independent, not including blogs. (WFI is a :self-published blog.)
Please explain how passing mention in news articles about LJ meets criteria 1 and 3, thanks. Kyaa the Catlord 09:04, 2 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]
I think you mean redirect to LiveJournal#Account suspension controversy. -Tacubus 13:14, 2 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Other than this one incident on LiveJournal, where only a small fraction of accounts were even affected, WFI seems to be a pretty small-time organization/blog no more worthy of being included in wikipedia as an individual article than any other small-time blog. Shall we start making individual articles for each of the affected journals and communities now?

Support the AfD request. Any relevant information can be included in the subsection on the LiveJournal article. Possibly recreate the article should they become notable. 206.255.127.192 00:04, 3 June 2007 (UTC)


206.255.127.192 03:49, 3 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Comment - Agreed. The article has improved even though they still don't meet our notability requirements. And about treating them under WP:CORP, honestly, WP:WEB's requirement's are much more loose and it still has not been fulfilled. Kyaa the Catlord 04:54, 3 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Question Redirect where? The pertinent information is already handled on the LiveJournal wikipedia. Kyaa the Catlord 09:22, 3 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was delete. Can't sleep... Can't sleep, clown will eat me 04:30, 7 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

List of songs about sleep[edit]

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Indiscriminate collection of data Corvus cornix 06:47, 2 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. - Mailer Diablo 14:15, 7 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Lia Lapithi Shukuroglou[edit]

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The very impressive-looking resume of an artist.

The article was created by the SPA "Ishukuro" on 1 January. I noticed it and flagged it with LIKERESUME and UNREFERENCED the next day. User:KRBN prodded it on 23 April, with the somewhat ambiguous comment "Very bad style and not notable person without reference". Five days later User:Terriersfan removed the prod with the comment "Badly needs cleanup but enough here to assert notability". Not having noticed this earlier prod (Sorry!), I reprodded it on 15 May with the comment "three months have gone by, and there are still no references". Later that same day, User:DGG removed the prod with the comment "I see refs at the bottom".

So let's examine the refs. They are:

  1. "For books [sic] reviews, visit MIT Leonardo Journal http://mitpress2.mit.edu/e-journals/Leonardo/reviews/feb2005/operate_mosher.htm"
  2. The subject's own website

And that's all.

The first of these is presumably a list of the artist's book reviews for the Leonardo journal. It's likely to say little or nothing beyond this. (I don't know, because it has timed out every time I've tried it.)

The other isn't an independent source.

The artist has two books listed, complete with ISBNs. I'm willing to believe that these exist. I could cut the article down to to "Lia Lapithi Shukuroglou is an artist who has had two books published", and then list the books, but that would be an odd article indeed. Or I could spend hours googling around for disinterested info on this artist. But if Ishukuro can't be bothered, neither can I.

So I recommend deleting the article, without in any way prejudicing the fate of a later, entirely different article about the same person. -- Hoary 05:54, 2 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. - Mailer Diablo 14:55, 7 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

John M FitzGerald[edit]

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Orphaned article about a non-notable poet. Vanity page, if you like that angle. Gump Stump 05:46, 2 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. Sr13 07:58, 7 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

2007 PopFusion number one albums[edit]

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Article is one of several created by the same author that is un-sourced, un-encyclopedic, and wildly ignores the Manual of Style. Zero articles link to it, and the article's category is also up for deletion. --Kralizec! (talk) 05:31, 2 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete all. Sr13 08:01, 7 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Matthew Amerling[edit]

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Proposed deletion tag removed without comment, so bringing here for discussion. This is an author with one novel, printed through PublishAmerica, which, despite its fervent denials, appears to be a vanity press. He and the novel each have about 190 Google hits; of the ones I looked at, none appeared to be valid reliable sources to help him meet biography guidelines. The page has one link to a local newspaper story. Creator of this page is User:Amerdale, so I suspect a WP:COI is involved as well, and this is probably a promotional attempt - also note that links to this series of articles have been added to a lot of other articles. I'm also bundling in his book and the main character of his book into this discussion. Tony Fox (arf!) 05:20, 2 June 2007 (UTC) I am also nominating the following related pages, as noted above:[reply]

The Midknight (novel) (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views)
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The result was delete. Can't sleep, clown will eat me 04:26, 7 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

British Airplay Download Chart[edit]

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Article is one of several created by the same author that is un-sourced, un-encyclopedic, and wildly ignores the Manual of Style. Zero articles link to it, and the article has no categories. Kralizec! (talk) 05:22, 2 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. Sr13 08:06, 7 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

James Garcia[edit]

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This subject is non-notable. There are thousands of minor-league baseball players. This one does not stand out above the others. Fbdave 05:18, 2 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. - Mailer Diablo 14:17, 7 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Air banding[edit]

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Original research. Wikipedia is not for things made up one day, even if Scrubs references it. -- Merope 05:16, 2 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. - Mailer Diablo 14:18, 7 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Zinneke parade[edit]

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This article makes no assertion of notabilty and offers for WP:RS. JodyB talk 04:56, 2 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. - Mailer Diablo 14:21, 7 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

List of arrested Bengals[edit]

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This article has no point. It is simply here to poke fun at the Bengals. That makes this article content not suitable for an encyclopedia and thus not suitable for Wikipedia. Cincydude55 04:44, 2 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

  • Comment - Arrests are a matter of public record. While I may (and do) believe this article should be deleted, let's not characterize it as somthing it's not. /Blaxthos 16:40, 2 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Comment-Just so you know the "Bengal" in Cincinnati Bengals refers to a bengal tiger.--Cincydude55 19:02, 3 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. Sr13 08:08, 7 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Band Red[edit]

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This article fails WP:MUSIC and fails to assert any notability. No WP:RS to establish notability JodyB talk 04:52, 2 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was NO CONSENSUS TO DELETE. For one thing, I'm getting a disconnenct between a lot of the comments and the actual article; the comments address an earlier, much different version of the article which dealt with mythology and so forth. That part is now gone. It's well and good that articles are improved under the threat of extinction ("Knowing that one will be deleted in the morning", to paraphrase Mark Twain, "concentrates the mind wonderfully"). It is hard to achieve a consensus on a moving target, though. I'm not complaining; it's good for articles to be improved, and this one has. It now has references, for one thing.

There were a lot of commentors. I quick count gives me 15-9 in favor of Delete, which is kind of a supermajority. Hmmmm. Supermajority or no, I don't see a clear consensus on this version of the article. No prejudice against an immediate renomination, where we can discuss this more stable version; this would probably be preferable to going to deletion review, if anyone is unhappy with the close. Herostratus 15:30, 8 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Cradle of Humanity[edit]

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Original research --Akhilleus (talk) 04:47, 2 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

*Delete I dimly remember being altogether surprised at this article when I was new on Wikipedia. I'm a conservative Christian, always have been, and it's still something altogether new to me. Look at the end: if I believe Eden to have been at Al-Qurna, why would I include Yemen but not Azerbaijan? It has to be OR. Nyttend 04:52, 2 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

As these pages show, at present there are two significant theories about where modern humans came from--the multiregional hypothesis and the Recent_single-origin_hypothesis, also known as the "out of Africa" model. It's impossible to talk about these hypotheses without discussing fossil and genetic evidence--in other words, discussion of where modern humans first appeared cannot be separated from a discussion of when and how they appeared. Therefore, if the subject of cradle of humanity is "where humanity first arose as a separate species", it will inevitably have substantial overlap with human evolution, paleoanthropology, multiregional hypothesis and recent single-origin hypothesis, and in fact there's substantial overlap between these articles right now.
So, I think Kesh's suggestion above for a rename has considerable merit. A renamed article, perhaps called origins of modern humans or origins of homo sapiens, could incorporate multiregional hypothesis and recent single-origin hypothesis. Such an article could be a sub-article of human evolution. This article would have the advantage of a clearly defined subject, with ample reliable sources. In contrast, while it's easy to find sources that use the phrase "cradle of humanity", sources that discuss the usage and meaning of the phrase are difficult to find. --Akhilleus (talk) 06:18, 3 June 2007 (UTC) See new comment below. --Akhilleus (talk) 16:54, 4 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]
You are spamming this RfD with the same stuff over and over again. If you had read what I and others have written, we don't care that it is poorly written or poorly referenced. It is a POV fork, and cannot be referenced. That it is poorly written and referenced only makes it mean that it is a poorly written and POV fork not worthy of keeping.Orangemarlin 19:44, 5 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Thinking about this more, your responses seem to make me feel that you own the article. Why aren't other editors interested in this article? Why does it read like original research? Orangemarlin 19:47, 5 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]
So, it's not about civilisation, nor is it about human evolution. It seems that this article can only be defined in terms of what it is not, and it seems increasingly as if "what it's not" is growing to encompass more and more wikipedia articles. If, for example, this article is about where mankind started, why is it not called "cradle of mankind" rather than of humanity? Oh, that's right, there's already an article of that name. The only thing that this article definitely is is a POV fork. SheffieldSteel 17:50, 5 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Looking at the earliest version of this article is very instructive. It started as an incredibly POV creationist rant that was amateurish and replete with mis-statements, obnoxious claims, and just general nonsense. To try to build a reasonable argument on this awful foundation is just ludicrous. The smartest thing would be to fold any useful information in here that is not somewhere else in Wikipedia into the appropriate articles, or else just go to a sandbox and build an article on this subject from scratch if one does not exist. --Filll 19:41, 5 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]
A sure sign that this article is in trouble is the lack of mention of the Leakey's work, or of Mitochondrial Eve or Y-Chromosonal Adam or of a large number of similar things. I think comparing various origin theories with the current scientific understanding and having a careful history of scientific theories would be useful and interesting, but this article has a long long long way to go before it reaches that level.--Filll 19:47, 5 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]


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The result was Delete. Fails WP:BIO – no secondary sources. KrakatoaKatie 17:57, 9 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Douglas Berger[edit]

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Fails WP:NOTABILITY. Subject has published a small handful of articles in some journals of low to middling prestige, but the same could be said of most tenured college professors. Douglas has received zero coverage in secondary sources. Note: a related article is being debated for deletion a little further down the page. Ford MF 04:44, 2 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. --Akhilleus (talk) 04:46, 8 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Greenhills Christian Fellowship[edit]

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Yes, it's a big church, but it doesn't deserve its own article. The article gives no indication of its having any significance outside of its own affairs. If this were a denomination of this size, it would be otherwise, but independent churches have to be judged somewhat differently, or every single independent church would be sufficiently notable. Nyttend 04:40, 2 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Comment No, the problem is not that it is inadequately referenced, although that is true, the problem is that it is not notable. The distinction may be subtle. They are not notable because no one in the Philippines (or elsewhere) has seen fit to write about them, other than reprinting a few news releases. Philippine journals are indexed in the sources that I mentioned above as well as a large number of non-academic publications, including titles like Manila Times, Newsbreak, Philippine Daily Inquirer, Philippine Times, Philippines News, Philippines Post, Sun Star, Yehey, Asia Image, Telecom Asia, AsiaLaw, Business Traveller Asia Pacific Pacific Shipper, Christianity Today Anglican Journal, United Church Observer, Presbyterian Record, Catholic New Times, Conscience, Newsweek and USA Today. I pulled up over 300 articles about churches in the Philippines, but nothing on Greenhills Christian Fellowship. Greenhills Christian Fellowship is not a member of the Philippine Council of Evangelical Churches, although the Conservative Baptist Association of the Philippines is. The Conservative Baptist Association of the Philippines only mentions Greenhills Christian Fellowship by providing its address as one of the CBAP churches. I don't think that Greenhills Christian Fellowship is significantly independent. --Bejnar 17:44, 4 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was delete. Sr13 08:13, 7 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Phase 100[edit]

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This page appears to be spam. There are no reliable sources from multiple non-trivial sources which would demonstrate notability. JodyB talk 04:30, 2 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was speedy keep, nomination was not intended to result in deletion. Discussions about what to do with the significant number of stubby Ancient Roman personnages might be a topic for a Wikiproject? Non-admin closure. Serpent's Choice 19:42, 2 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Attius Insteius Tertullus[edit]

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I'm nominating this not so much I think it should be deleted, but as a way to encourage people to think about an issue this article is only a first example of: articles where there is little hope, as current knowledge stands, that it will ever grow much beyond this brief account.

I won't make any argument about verifiability -- the The Prosopography of the Later Roman Empire not only is a reliable source, it is an excellent source. If it states Tertullus existed, then he existed. However, I think the existence of this article does introduce -- but in a new way -- the old, much discredited concept of notability. In the final analysis, this is an orphan article, & probably will never be linked to; all this person truly is known for is a single inscription erected to him in southern Italy, which records some fragments of his life. Are we all comfortable with the creation of thousands of brief articles like this, destined to float forever in that twilight world of stubs, ignored by all except a vandal & whoever happens to discover this vandalism? Or should we draw a line here, & encourage people who write articles like this one to instead merge the content into the relevant article -- unless it can be shown that there is good reason to havea separate article about this person? I'm looking for a discussion here, not a chorus of "I agree, keep/delete". -- llywrch 04:25, 2 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

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Hasan Kamrul have graduated from Jahangirnagar University in 2007 and secured first class third position in his M.S program on Sedimentalogy & Basin Analysis. After graduation he was joined as a geologist (Operations) in an Australian Company for mineral operations in Bangladesh for commercial views on development. Basically he is a columnist. His write up has been published in national dailies in each month. He writes on Energy & Power sector and other geology related topics like environment, earthquake, sea level rises and its effect etc. He is very innovative person on literature and his first book will publish in this Ekushey Book fair. Several poems and literatic topics has been published in the national dailies on Literature page. He is also a critic person of the politics and literature.

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The result was delete. Can't sleep, clown will eat me 04:27, 7 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Enhancement Modes in Power Rangers[edit]

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Fancruft. This is better suited to a Power Rangers fansite/wiki than to a general encyclopedia. Vassyana 04:00, 2 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. - Mailer Diablo 14:23, 7 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

List of mistakes in Warriors (Book Series)[edit]

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This appears to be completely original research (who's to say what is a mistake and what is meant?) and is not very encyclopedic. Metros 03:31, 2 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was was speedy delete Renfrew's Jews as an attack page or at the very least offensive junk. As for Renfrew Museum, I've redirected it to Renfrew, Ontario since it might be used as a search term and I've added it to my watchlist. Pascal.Tesson 05:26, 2 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Renfrew Museum[edit]

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While I believe the original creation of this page, as a one-liner by Jethero, to have been in good faith (probably), it still failed WP:RS and WP:NOTABILITY. "Renfrew Museum" and "Ontario" yield only 89 unique ghits, most all of them passing mention at best. I say "probably" because the image used to illustrate the article (uploaded by someone else) somehow doesn't even mention that house is a museum? It asserts only that it's a photograph of the "Bonnechere River in Renfrew, Ontario, Canada", which makes me think maybe that's not even an image of the museum. So I think it's worthy of deletion under those criteria already. Additionally, since its creation the article has been beset by a number of editors, both registered and anon, adding patently ridiculous, hoaxy, uncited material, namely the SPA Renfrewash and TheCheat13, whose only edits outside this article have all been vandalism. Mostly the editors have been asserting, without any citation, that the house was built after WWII as the headquarters of the Nazi party in Canada. I suppose crazier things have happened, but this assertion is supported by exactly zero hits on Google, and thus smells like hoax, and one that, via TheCheat13, is spreading. Ford MF 03:42, 2 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I am also nominating the following related page because it's an article created by TheCheat13 to support the ridiculous and entirely unsourced assertions in Renfrew Museum:
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The result was delete. - Mailer Diablo 14:30, 7 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Llama (notable list)[edit]

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WP:NOT#IINFO. A new phase of indiscriminate information. Masaruemoto 02:51, 2 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I was one of the original folks who moved it out of the Llama article. I thought it was not good info there but had some merit as a stand alone list. It has not been maintained or policed. --BlindEagletalk~contribs 15:39, 4 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was delete. - Mailer Diablo 14:31, 7 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Colbert Fennelly[edit]

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Non-notable effects animator. Has worked for Disney, but so have thousands of other non-notable animators. Article was created by User:Colbertf (the subject). Was prodded for lack of notability two weeks ago but Colbertf removed the prod. Masaruemoto 02:01, 2 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. - Mailer Diablo 14:34, 7 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Starcraft II Confirmed Units and Structures[edit]

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This article was recently forked off the main Starcraft II article, after the creating editor had content removed per a prior discussion on the talk page. This article is, apparently, supposed to be some kind of list of units and structures in Starcraft II - however, since the game is not out yet, they are only "confirmed" units, so far. However, this is something Wikpedia is not - namely a guide to an unreleased game. Article was previously prodded, but the notice was removed without comment by an anonymous user. Haemo 02:40, 2 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Comment Wikipedia is not a unit list or game guide. It also violates many of wikipedia guidelines. Btw i don't think IP users can vote. You need to register. --SkyWalker 15:23, 3 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Just a note; this material was already extensively discussed on Starcraft II, and roundly rejected as speculative, indiscriminate, and generally un-encyclopedic. This page was created specifically because that material was rejected on the "parent" page, in order to circumvent this consensus. I would strongly oppose any attempt to merge this material to Starcraft II. --Haemo 03:02, 4 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was delete. Sr13 23:49, 6 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Hold For Swank[edit]

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Not finding any reason to believe that this band is notable; quick google search doesn't turn up any third-party sources. Veinor (talk to me) 18:13, 28 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]


Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so that consensus may be reached
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The result was delete. - Mailer Diablo 14:37, 7 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Turn It Up (remix)/Fire It Up[edit]

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No indication as to why this is significant or worthy of an article; no sources, no nothing. Mel Etitis (Talk) 18:32, 28 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]


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The result was keep. W.marsh 17:21, 9 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Andretti Curse[edit]

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Original research. None of the sources talk about the actual topic of a curse. JLaTondre 02:29, 2 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Based upon's Barno's sources (see below), I now think this could be re-written into a legitimate article. It does need a complete re-write to be based upon sources instead of the current OR. I still question the notability, but I won't argue that point. -- JLaTondre 19:10, 5 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

*Delete as original research. What curse? Ford MF 04:00, 2 June 2007 (UTC) Conditional keep as well, based on the new refs. If the editor integrates the sources listed below and cleans and trims the article, I think it will be sufficient. Ford MF 03:40, 5 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

  • "Potential source" as a single posting on a message board? I don't think so. Delete as unreferenced cursecruft. Deor 05:31, 2 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Well, a google search turns up 44000 hits. Black Harry 17:06, 2 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]
No, it turns up only 649[34]. Searching without the quotes returns many pages that are unrelated to this term. -- JLaTondre 20:55, 4 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Sorry about that, I don't generally use quotes when I do google searches. BH (Talk) 21:21, 4 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • Conditional keep -- If mainstream media beyond tabloids (cnn, sun herald, etc.) are at least referring to this alleged curse, I would say the concept of the curse is widespread enough to pass notability. Obviously, this is an unscientific concept (and thus can't be proven and is complete fiction, IMHO), so the article needs to be significantly trimmed (read: a lot shorter) and be written from a neutral point of view. Most importantly, it needs to be confined only to what is contained in reliable sources. Clean it up.  ;-) /Blaxthos 02:08, 5 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]
After giving it a thought, I would like to retract my nomination for the fact I have never been familiar with this sporting curse thing, as well as, purely this nomination was made by a non-American, I do understand that this would be an American thing, witnessing the Curse of the Bambino. Willirennen 21:53, 5 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • Okay, with these new refs, I think the entry is redeemable - but it needs some significant work to remove OR and POV problems in addition to legitimate citation and general cleanup issues. Changing recommendation to a cautious keep. -- MarcoTolo 00:25, 5 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • I agree that editing is needed for these reasons and to clarify the basic premise. If kept, I will work with the article's creator Afterburner33 and with Royalbroil (who is working on Andretti articles) to address these concerns. Barno 00:36, 5 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • I object to merging this into the Indy 500 article because I think that curses, rivalries, etc. should not be placed in the article about a race. What precedents are there for racing family articles? Royalbroil 03:21, 7 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • There aren't all that many racing families that I can think of... so if you look at instead the profession-family article, and there are several for politics. ...Racing families... Brabham (size: 3 people)? Unser (3)? Petty (4)? Villeneuve (3)? Allison (3)? (assuming size greater than 2) 132.205.44.134 21:29, 7 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • I am impressed with your knowledge about racing. I can think of several more racing families, but that's not my point. I don't know any racing families that have a family article (besides some grouped as a family on disambiguation pages). I remember seeing discussions on XfDs where family categories and articles were deleted. Some of these discussions were about racing families such as the Wallaces and Earnhardts in NASCAR. Royalbroil 01:51, 8 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was delete. Sr13 23:37, 6 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Todd Manning and Evangeline Williamson[edit]

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What is all this? I created this because of you so please don't turn it around and be rude, thank you!--Migospia †♥ 03:59, 5 June 2007 (UTC) You guys say one thing and then do something else, not nice! =/--Migospia †♥ 04:00, 5 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Please I do not like being treated the way you treat me so please just learn to deal and play nice, did I ever said I owned the article no? And how was the article not created in good faith? Because it was, how dare you assume what is good faith or not, to me a lot of people like this couple and I after seeing other soap couple pages on here I thought this would be perfect for Todd and Evangeline, I did work hard on the article and you make it seem like I am the only one in the world that wants this article and etc which is not true, I would never make a page just for me or not to be a good reference source or encyclopedic article for other peoples viewing that is not what wikipeida is to me so please don't accuse me of this you don't have to try and start fights and hurt peoples feelings all the time you know you can try, I mean come on at least TRY to be polite, assume good faith, be welcoming, not to personally attack, show etiquette, don't be a dick, but also importantly please show WikiLove! and but I really do not have to explain myself to you because you are VERY rude and mean and I do not want to have to talk to people that talk to me the way you do

And yes of course this was a copy and paste job but with editing for the Tangeline article I did it because WikiTweak stated that in the Tangeline article and so reading with the deletion process, I changed the name-“Tangeline” is a fan base tagging; - So with reading the deletion steps and that being at the time the only reason I thought what I did was good and out of good faith. But please when you go to deletion debates and delete articles or wherever try, at least try not to keep insulting them and belittling them, focus on the deletion article and facts surrounding. but its over its going to be deleted so please stop trying to accuse me and none things --Migospia †♥ 05:39, 5 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. A redirect can be created if people really think it's useful. W.marsh 17:14, 9 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Professor Hobo[edit]

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A non-notable comic strip that ran in the school newspaper of Murray State University. Was previously nominated for deletion over a year ago, where the result was no consensus, although the only "keep" argument then was that "all factual information needs to be represented" (?!). Tagged for lack of sources over a year ago; still none added, so time for deletion. Masaruemoto 01:51, 2 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Yamaka122 20:09, 2 June 2007 (UTC) It should be integrated into the publications section of the Murray State University page and then the page should be deleted.[reply]

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The result was delete. Can't sleep, clown will eat me 04:31, 7 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Misanthropology[edit]

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Entirely OR -- no basis for any of the claims made in the article--it is entirely an obscure neologism, not a real area of scientific study Nicktalk 01:44, 2 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. - Mailer Diablo 14:37, 7 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Music featured on Nip/Tuck[edit]

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Delete - Wikipedia is not an indiscriminate collection of information and Wikipedia is not a directory of loosely associated topics. The songs have nothing in common beyond happening to have been played on an episode of a TV show. As with similar lists for shows including The US and UK versions of The Office, Skins, and others, this should be deleted. Otto4711 01:17, 2 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Bold text KEEP: This list was useful and it hurt nobody by being there. Why not put it back?

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The result was a clear consensus to merge, so please be bold and do so. This is not a binding result, nor does it require an AFD nomination. — CharlotteWebb 02:39, 9 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Joker (1989 Batman character)[edit]

There are two articles about this character

The Joker is one of the most popular Batman villains, but there are two articles about this character: one refered to the comic incarnation, and the another one is about the Joker depicted in Batman.

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The result was Keep Non admin closure. The Sunshine Man 18:39, 2 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Alexander Nevzorov[edit]

Russian politician, member of the state Duma, it says, and founder of a school or horsemanship. Only trouble is, it's unsourced. Also a near orphan (Tambov Gang links to it). We're short of articles on the Russian Federation, certainly, but what's the use of this? I suggest that this article either be properly sourced, and stubbed down to what is sourced, or else deleted. --Tony Sidaway 01:08, 2 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

You'd better post it to Portal:Russia/New article announcements. But as far as I can see, you get enough input here. I would consider unilateral trimming of this article by you highly inappropriate, although I think that third party sources should be used here rather than Nevzorov's own website, and I have changed the article accordingly. Colchicum 11:56, 2 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]
So 8 editors (so far) think it should be kept as it is but you think all the content should be removed anyway, despite it having over a dozen sources in English and Russian? Nick mallory 11:27, 2 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was keep. Sr13 15:15, 7 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

List of airport circulators[edit]

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The article is very unorganized should be replaced by a category list. Each "airport circulator" system has its own article already, therefore the tables and details on this page are unnecessary. –Dream out loud 00:57, 2 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was speedy delete. King of 01:35, 2 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Animal Crossing Friends[edit]

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Article about a club or group that does not assert significance. Additionally, not written with citations or in an encyclopedic manner. HeartiesYo 00:53, 2 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was Snow Delete. Peacent 06:48, 3 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

References and Similarities within Pirates of the Caribbean Films[edit]

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I'm as big a fan of Pirates of the Caribbean as anyone, but this article is the very definition of fancruft. Wikipedia is not an indiscriminate collection of information, no matter how nifty that information is to us fans. The timing of this article's creation is also rather curious, as I truly doubt this information would be considered noteworthy in its own right if the movie trilogy were not particularly popular right now due to the recent release of PotC3. --Icarus (Hi!) 00:51, 2 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was keep. - Mailer Diablo 14:38, 7 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Martin Flood[edit]

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Delete - a previous round of AFDs tended to establish that WWTBAM contestants are not notable for having won a million dollars unless they are the first of a particular series to do so. Additionally, the obsessive level of detail of his appearance brings this very close to if not over the line of point seven of WP:NOT#IINFO. Otto4711 00:41, 2 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Keep - Flood's win was significant in the Australian series' history. Channel 9 slur campaign makes Flood's win notable. The sequence of questions is of interest in the context of quiz shows with major prizes. Point seven of WP:NOT#IINFO refers to works of fiction and is irrelevant. Grimhim 01:28, 2 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

  • Non-fiction items can certainly have plot summaries written about them, and as such are subject to the same policies as any other plot summary. Otto4711 02:57, 2 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

The stuff about the questions that he answered can go. Capitalistroadster 02:38, 2 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was I went ahead and boldly Redirected to List of minor characters of Scrubs, so there's no real reason to keep the discussion open. Non-admin closure. Ten Pound Hammer • (((Broken clamshells • Otter chirps))) 23:52, 2 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Jill Tracy (Scrubs)[edit]

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A minor character on Scrubs. Her mention in List of minor characters of Scrubs pretty much covers all we know about the subject. Gpollock 02:04, 2 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete Adam Cuerden talk 22:41, 8 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

The Core Issue-Defense Paradigm[edit]

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This looks like either a original analysis essay or a novel synthesis. Guy (Help!) 19:27, 27 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]


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The result was keep. Sr13 15:22, 7 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Seán Mac Falls[edit]

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A rather uncritical piece by an an on with no other contributions - in other words, almost certainly an autobiography. Guy (Help!) 19:36, 27 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]


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The result was Keep per consensus and improvement. Peacent 16:40, 2 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Playground song[edit]

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A playground song is - wait for it, this is a real revelation - a song sung in the playground. Add a bit of original research ad personal opinion, and hey presto! an article. Guy (Help!) 20:31, 27 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]


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The result was no consensus. W.marsh 17:11, 9 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Zain Mahmood[edit]

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Article does not establish notability of subject, beyond two movies that he wrote. No references or sources, no biographical information beyond year of death and how he died. Ozgod 04:51, 2 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

When running Zain Mahmood through Google I only recieved ninety results [44], including other people with that name. The article makes no assertion to his notability beyond the four films he has directed. Being mentioned in a book does not always constitute notability. Had he had a section or two, or a mini-autobiography, that could be a foundation for an article. Being mentioned in two notes on a film and having a listing on IMDB is, arguably, not enough for notability. --Ozgod 12:38, 2 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was no consensus to delete. Merge still possible as an editorial decision, of course. W.marsh 17:16, 9 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

CFRE-FM[edit]

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This is a campus radio station. I can't find any evidence of non-trivial coverage of it outside its own university. Suggest merge to the university, or transwiki to the student union website. Virtually all of this is generic, indistinguishable from any other campus radio station. Guy (Help!) 11:14, 2 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Per what?--danielfolsom 21:44, 6 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was delete. - Mailer Diablo 14:40, 7 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

David Cronenberg's Wife[edit]

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Reposted article about an "anti-folk" band, by a single-purpose account. Now, folk bands are pretty close to invisible on the Interwebs and don't get a whole lot of attention in the music press either. Apparently there are 22 listeners to this on last.fm. Sounds like vanispamcruftisement to me. Guy (Help!) 11:34, 2 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. W.marsh 17:15, 9 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Cross Keys (Killingholme)[edit]

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Article does not assert notability of pub, despite having been tagged and the author notified. Looks like a nice enough place, but not especially notable. (Author disagrees here, I have asked him to contribute to this discussion). Fourohfour 13:12, 2 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

The establishment is the only public house in the area of Killingholme. That makes it sufficently notable, in my opinion. However, should this article be deleted, the category of 'Pubblic Houses in Lincolnshire', as well as all of its contents needs to be removed. One of my main reasons for starting this article was to try and expand upon a category. TomGreen 13:27, 4 June 2007 (UTC)
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The result was Delete Mr.Z-mantalk¢ 17:42, 8 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Vorlin[edit]

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An international auxilary language that does not meet the notability guideline. All references in the article are self-published. Although the article attempts to assert notability by noting the author of the language was the editor of a journal, the journal is almost completely ignored by academics (3 ghits on the title among edu sites). [46]

The best reference to either the journal or the language that I could come up with is from the journal Language Problems & Language Planning, Volume 27, Number 2, 2003, pp. 155-192. Three lines in a 38-page paper describing scholarly resources in interlinguistics say:

From the newsletter published in 1991 on the project for a planned language called Vorlin by Richard Harrison (Orlando, USA), the Journal of Planned Languages was born. From 1992 to 1996 some 24 issues appeared.

This reference is not enough to pass WP:N. Delete Aagtbdfoua 14:34, 2 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • My mistake. Thanks for catching that. - Aagtbdfoua 19:39, 2 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was delete. - Mailer Diablo 14:41, 7 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Interactive Information System[edit]

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Unreferenced since June of 2006. Also marked as an orphan since October. I think it is an odd-ball term that should probably be a redirect to some other page, but I don't know exactly which one. BirgitteSB 16:43, 2 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was: This was a talk page moved into article space. I have moved it back where it belongs and redirected "Children's Authors" to Children's literature. Punkmorten 17:48, 2 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Children's Authors[edit]

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This doesn't appear to be an article at all. I'm running through AfD rather than other processes because of the template that claims there has been an AfD. Erechtheus 16:52, 2 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was No consensus - Keep. Mr.Z-mantalk¢ 20:22, 8 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Lúpin[edit]

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Apparently there isn't a nerd in Argentina who has not heard of this, and there is a handy link if you want to buy it. What there is not, is a reliable independent source. Guy (Help!) 19:31, 2 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I'm working on other things at the moment, but I've found a neutral source (in Spanish) that backs up some of the statements in the article. When I get a chance, I'll revise it (if no one else has). I'm sure all the above responders understand this, as you also had things to do instead of improving the article yourselves.

By the way, the article says Lúpin "is 'looping' spelled in Spanish", not translated into Spanish. —JerryFriedman 02:37, 3 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

It has some sources now. —JerryFriedman 04:36, 4 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was Delete. Srikeit 09:42, 6 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Gavin Hopley[edit]

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Wikinews is that way. Tis is a news story masquerading as a biography, with the clear intent of promoting a racist political party's agenda. Guy (Help!) 20:00, 2 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

'Racist attack' victim critical
The hidden white victims of racism (The Times)
An extensive search of national and regional newspaper reports, however, shows that cases involving black and minority ethnic victims are widely reported, while there is an almost total boycott of stories involving the white victims of similar attacks.
Tottenhamlad 22:58, 2 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Very Strong Keep this is a murder article in the same league as Stepher Laurence. It is just the other way round so the aricle is as important as the Stephen Laurence article which nobody whould ever delete, also I think trhat the current binge of lets delete murder articles when it is cliamed they are news stories or biographies is counter-producteve as wiki is not paper and there is no limit to the number of articles and all fullfil the notability criteria as they have multiple secondary sources.--Lucy-marie 18:29, 3 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

'comment the main reason it should be in on here is becausxe it was ignored.--Lucy-marie 10:00, 4 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

please expand You say this is the "coatrack" could you please elaborate on your reasoning.--Lucy-marie 09:40, 6 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was Delete Mr.Z-mantalk¢ 17:38, 8 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Monsters Game[edit]

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This has already been deleted twice as advertising and here it is again in all its completely unreferenced fannish glory, replete with original research and not a single independent source to show notability (on the plus side, loads of fair use images and plenty of GameGuides stuff - OK not so much a plus as a minus) Guy (Help!) 20:21, 2 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was that the article should be kept and improved. Mallanox 13:02, 10 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Hitz Radio UK[edit]

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The subject of this article is a non-notable internet radio station which has received several minor press mentions. In my view, it violates WP:CORP. The main author of the article is involved in a rival internet radio project, SixHits Digital Radio, which makes it slightly questionable under WP:COI. There is no reason for the article to stay; none of the events described are particularly notable. Digital Spy Poster 20:22, 2 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Deletion removed. You're the only one against this, i believe you to be involved with Hitz Radio UK. Provide evidence IfYouCanSoCanI 20:29, 2 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Comment - surely the question of whether a page was created by an administrator, a newly-registered user or Lord Lucan is utterly irrelevant. Digital Spy Poster 20:58, 2 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Comment - Kev, I can guarantee to you that I'm nothing to do with Hitz Radio. I'm not posting this stuff under my usual Wikipedia name because I'll get the unpleasant types who've been on Ryan Dunlop's back for months (Rysin 3 in particular seems to have nothing better to do) on my back. I happen to think Dunlop's an idiot, but I wouldn't wish these internet hatchet jobs on him forever and a day. Digital Spy Poster 21:38, 2 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Comment - Please try to be a little more civil when commenting, i wrote one article and followed the story when I had time, I feel i had more of a reason than most, i met up with Ryan Dunlop and he wasted my time. If you've nothing to do with Hitz Radio UK, some people would say you have nothing better to do, adding all these delete templates to articles. Rysin3 22:20, 2 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Comment - Speaking to EstEffect (who is offline due to ISP issues) he has stated this fits a lot of guidelines, notability etc... as it has been featured in the national newspapers etc... - he stated we would put this up for un-deletion should be be able to get online, but is not in a position to do so currently.Kev Akas 22:43, 2 June 2007 (GMT)
Comment - Dunlop's claims are verifiable as they've been reproduced in the press, but there are long passages countering those claims in the article which cite nothing other than blog posts and forum discussions, some of which aren't even visible to the public. Blogs and forums aren't valid citations on Wikipedia. I'd like to see the article reduced to just those points which have been raised in the press, with a short mention of the fact that there are doubts over it, with perhaps a link to James Cridland's blog. Digital Spy Poster 21:54, 2 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Comment - agree generally with the above. Per my earlier comment, the subject may well warrant an article; but as it stands the article is dubiously sourced, and seems to be largely devoted to casting doubt on the claims of this Internet radio station. I remain deeply concerned about the completely unsubstantiated allegation of illegal behaviour, not least because it potentially opens Wikipedia and/or individual editors to claims of defamation. As a more minor point, I suggest that being mentioned in (UK) national newspapers is not in itself a certain indication of notability. Barnabypage 00:11, 3 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Comment How about the completely unsubstantiated allegations of legal behaviour? PPL and MCPS-PRS have confirmed in e-mails to me that HitzRadioUK does not carry any form of legal licensing. Furthermore, investigations of his servers have found that they carry a potential maximum of 120 concurrent listeners. Furthermore, a simple Alexa search has proven that his site and station do not have anywhere near the website hits he claimed.

RE: BLPC - NPOV is surely satisfied. References to specific names that are not part of the references in primary and secondary sources have been removed. Specific date of birth removed to protect privacy. Several words have been changed over edits, example "clearly not true" deleted, false to unlikely, did not have to uncertainty, a different name to slightly different, copied from to suspected to be similar to, suggestions over something rather than clearly blaming. Besides the changes to words and sentences, many sentences have been totally deleted to protect privacy and delete rumour and unverifiable and uncited sources. The main person in question is named as it is in the various primary, secondary and tertiary sources cited. Other names have been removed, so has the primary persons date of birth. I contest that the latter edits, on the whole, satisfy NPOV, BPLC and NOR. All are referenced and cited. Some are from tertiary sources in regard to the primary subject's internet forum postings. However at least 2 of these are also corroborated by a statement on camera in the STV news report, which is a verifiable PRIMARY source. As for the point about forum sources. Some of the forum sources as mentioned above have been corroborated on camera. So therefore they validate the forum posts by Mr Dunlop. As these forum posts are validated in that fashion, they also provide proof of copyright infringements by association in the same forum posts. I'm referring here to Sky News and having an Ofcom license stipulating taking the news from them. As for other copyright infringements, I have copied "The King" show webpage prior to the photo images being taken down. These images and other names are specifically talked about in the ELE website. If anyone can suggest a web host in which to display and link to as cited proof, then I can do that. Anybody that would still like to contest any information here, please go ahead and suggest changes that would make it, in your opinion, adhere to any policies. Remember that anything, either adding in evidence or contrary to it, should be cited and referenced by primary or secondary sources preferably, as already seen in the article. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.97.107.123 (talkcontribs) 81.97.107.123 (talk) has made few or no other edits outside this topic.

If you read most of the arguments for deletion, you'll see that notability is not the primary concern here. The problem is verifiability and original research, particularly synthesis of sourced statements to advance a point. Take, for instance, this paragraph:
Hitz Radio UK has also breached trademark and copyright for it's show "The King".[32] This is a regular programme on the station, in which a presenter impersonates the late Elvis Presley. The station's website includes photography of Elvis Presley and text saying that "The King of Rock 'n' Roll hosts his very own show's on Hitz Radio UK" and, "The King's official home on the radio". By including such photography, names of "The King", "The King of Rock 'n' Roll" with immitation and making other remarks, they are infringing further copyrights held by Elvis Presley Enterprises.[33] As of 30th May 2007, the Elvis Presley photography has been removed.
The two sources cited merely show that the station did indeed use the name "the King" for one of its shows and that Elvis Presley Enterprises claims intellectual property rights over a variety of things related to Presley. This is not the same thing as breaching trademark and copyright, but more to the point, nobody else has claimed that the station breached trademark or copyright here. Showing that he used any other trademarks or copyright material is not enough. You must cite this claim to a reliable source that states these uses to be infringing, if you want to claim they are. This paragraph should come out until somebody else mentions it. And it isn't the only such example. It's just the first one I spotted while rapidly scrolling through the page.
Some of the acusations are cited to message boards, which are almost always not reliable sources. Others require the viewer to make a judgement themselves to verify them (e.g. the accusation that he is using a free web design template without following the conditions of use on it). Another example:
It is unclear as to how [Dunlop's listening] figures are derived. Rajar, who is the UK radio industry's main listener statistics provider, base figures on concurrent figures over short duration.[8]
This is a textbook example of synthesis. It implies either one of two things not supported by the sources: that Dunlop claims to have used the same technique as Rajar or the fact that Dunlop's figures are produced using a different technique somehow shows dishonesty. You need to cite these opinions to someone who holds them, not to the facts that you used to develop them yourself. JulesH 08:41, 4 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

It is outside the scope of BLPC when all else is satisfied, that the reliable sources of information give the reader a somewhat automatic assumption to form a bias. That is not any editors fault, if what remains cannot be deleted. It is only the already present well cited and reliable primary or secondary sources that lead the reader to form any bias. I agree that further edits should be closely monitored, especially if further primary or secondary sources present themselves.81.97.107.123 20:28, 5 June 2007 (UTC)

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The result was delete. - Mailer Diablo 14:43, 7 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Derrick palomar[edit]

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Contested prod. Nominating for deletion on grounds that the article seems to be a hoax. It's not a case of notability concerns; the artist does not generate any Google hits, barring the Wikipedia article. There are no websites that mention him. He isn't mentioned in any blogs. His records are not available for sale on any website and his works do not feature on any playlists. I should also note that the edits that removed the prod tag also changed the references, after I had questioned the validity of one on the talk page. FlowerpotmaN (t · c) 20:41, 2 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. This is a standard murder, we have a lot of them. Nothing special about this one, even if it occurred in England, where crimes like this are lower in numbers. User:Zscout370 (Return Fire) 20:55, 8 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Murder of Rachel Moran[edit]

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A murder case. Sad. The murderer is one of four hundred untariffed prisoners, so even that is nothing unusual. Guy (Help!) 20:46, 2 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]


Keep The article desereves to bekept as It made national news and not all murders make thae national news so it was a notable event. The nature of the murder make the event notabele and the article is in the process of being expanded. I say allow the article to be expanded and the re-evalutate at a later date after expansion and the clouser of the AfD to allow for the expansion to take place.

  • Comment I have undone the strike through, and changed the second "keep" to "comment", which seems a more appropriate change. There is no evidence that this user has changed their mind about the content of their first post. JulesH 08:16, 4 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment I've reverted you, you should not change other people's posts other than to strike them through. Should the editor in question wish her first comments to stand rather than her second, she is welcome to strike through the other instead. One Night In Hackney303 09:24, 4 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment I don't feel striking through another user's original commentary when they clearly meant to merely add additional comments is at all appropriate. AFD is not a vote, so I don't see what difference it makes that this user apparently didn't vote twice. JulesH 17:43, 5 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment AfD is not a vote, but !voting twice is not acceptable behaviour and neither is repeatedly removing valid strikethroughs. Kindly stop. One Night In Hackney303 08:43, 8 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • I have undone the strike through, and instead added a note to the second comment, similarly to how one might tag a single-purpose account. Hopefully this will satisfy both our concerns. JulesH 17:46, 5 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment No, it is not. I have already stated above, it is up to the other editor to clarify their comments, not for you to do so on their behalf. One Night In Hackney303 08:44, 8 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment I've yet to find anything on Wiki that states that it's acceptable to strikethrough another editor's comments. As this is not a vote but rather an effort to build consensus the "keep" should be immaterial; the reasoning behind the "keep" is what is relevant, right? I've removed the strikethrough based on my understanding of the AfD process. If you can point me in the right direction to better understand your perspective that would be appreciated. Drew30319 20:46, 8 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment I suggest you raise any such issues on an editor's talk page in future, before unilaterally undoing their actions. One Night In Hackney303 20:51, 8 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Keep Does meet noptability, this is not a biography it is a murder article and there is no memorialising in the article. The article should also stay as wikipedia is not a paper encyclopedia and the is no limit to the number of articles so this article should stay as there are no real grounds for deletion.--Lucy-marie 18:50, 3 June 2007 (UTC) Note that this user has already contributed to this debate above.[reply]


*Closer - please not socks and duplicate !votes.--Docg 08:43, 8 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Comment It is my understanding that suspected "sock puppets" are to be entered here: [Suspected sock puppets]. This discussion does not appear to be the appropriate venue. Drew30319 20:43, 8 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete as no non-trivial, independent sources. Adam Cuerden talk 22:36, 8 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

SixHits Digital Radio[edit]

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This is a sparsely-referenced article about an internet radio station whose notability cannot be verified (WP:CORP). Two of the station's presenters, Kevin Coy and Michael (Meic) Young are the main authors of the article. No external press references for SixHits can be easily located. Digital Spy Poster 20:54, 2 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Do you have a policy-based reason to suggest it's kept - something not based on "I don't like the editor who generated the AFD?" --Fredrick day 23:08, 2 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Comment - Ofcom DSPS licences can be obtained on payment of the correct fee by anyone, provided they satisfy certain basic criteria. There isn't any barrier to entry with those licences as there is with FM licences. It isn't an indication that the station is able to broadcast on digital radio platforms. Being a limited company is similarly not proof of notability. [48] Digital Spy Poster 21:20, 2 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

*deletesuper strong delete NN as it currently stands, the sources presented are awful - I would be willing to reconsider if better sources are presented. --Fredrick day 22:26, 2 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Internet radio stations are notable if they can demonstrate a clear and verifiable cultural notability or influence. CBC Radio Three and WOXY, for instance, are clearly notable, but your own personal Peercast stream with three listeners is not.
Our primary consideration here should be notability of this station and verifiability of such. -- Kesh 22:43, 2 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]
does it exist? yes it does. Does it have a clear and verifiable cultural notability or influence - I'd say not. all of the mentions of this station seem to self-generated and the usual NN collection of forum postings. --Fredrick day 22:54, 2 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Our cultural notability is based on three unique premises. One: we are the only UK based radio station broadcasting regular live baseball. As such, we are serving an audience of fans not previously served by any British radio broadcaster. This has already been referenced on Channel Five [[50]] and has the support of 8 IL clubs, the media director of MiLB and the president of the International League. Two: we are a fully licensed internet radio station. In the age of Shoutcast and various other online streaming companies, anyone can set up an illegal station. We have spent money and put effort into obtaining all the necessary licenses we need. We also have taken the first step into becoming only the second UK internet station to move onto the DAB platform, with a second step deep in planning and preparation mode. Three: in the face of a closed media run by corporations, and also tower-block and underground pirate radio stations, which allegedly serve audiences ostracised from society, we give the ordinary talented young men and women of the UK the opportunity to broadcast on a professionally run, regulated radio station from their own houses and/or studios. This includes adhering to Ofcom Codes of Conduct and similar regulations. Therefore we are providing a service in teaching young people the ins and outs of radio broadcasting, whilst introducing them to the world of media in a developing and nurturing manner.
This is the crux of our argument for the keeping of our entry. If necessary, I will add all the relevant details to the article that may be needed for its survival. With regard to external sources, it's not like we've been trying. We have issued regular press releases, and it is obvious from our baseball and football projects that communications with external individuals and organisations have paid off, as well as providers of our competition prizes. This is a young but alive and breathing radio station which has a lot to offer and, given the chance, a lot to prove. Therefore, as an individual and not as an employee, I believe it merits inclusion. Michaelyoung83 22:55, 2 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]
show don't tell - this is really really simple - no matter how many posts you make to this AFD unless multiple independent sources are added to the article, it will be deleted - it's that simple. If you are unable to supply such sources, tell us now and save us all the trouble. Your licence just proves you exist, it does not prove you are notable. The fact that you have plans to go onto DAB does not prove you are notable - actually being on DAB might, the fact that you think are doing something wonderful by helping young people does not prove are you notable. Forget any of the following as sources - press releases and forum posts. so it's not "if necessary" it is "this is ABSOLUTELY" necessary - forget press releases and forum posts as sources, they don't cut it - if you (the organisation) wrote it - it doesn't cut it. Multiple independent sources. --Fredrick day 23:05, 2 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]
The Channel Five mention isn't really an independent source. It's just an email being read out by a presenter. If I phoned a radio station, requested a song and had my name read out on air, I wouldn't then be able to start a Wikipedia article about myself using a recording of the mention as proof of notability. Digital Spy Poster 23:12, 2 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Please sign your posts - all you seem to saying is "no sources exist", AFD isn't a vote, if proper sources are not added to the article because they don't exist, then neither will the article. Discussion of X,Y and Z that might happen in the future mean nothing. Oh and stop attacking the editor who created the AFD, personal attacks weaken your case and can lead to blocks. --Fredrick day 10:19, 3 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]
It has most certainly done this with its prospectus, annex to DP-111, acquisition of US baseball coverage, live every night for the first time on UK radio, other sports projects, and the fact that young poeple, who would not necessarily get the opportunity to learn about broadcasting in such a hands on way, now have that chance (on a full time station, not taking anything away from RSL's).
Unfortunately, none of these qualify as reliable sources to indicate notability of the subject. It's not a matter of "everyone's personal views" on notability, it's Wikipedia's rules. If you can't provide verifiable sources to prove notability of the subject, the article is to be deleted. It can't be improved if you can't satisfy those three rules. -- Kesh 16:40, 3 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]
means nothing - it's a listing service (which is not classed as a suitable source) and is editable by anyone. Let's try this again multiple independent sources. --Fredrick day 21:22, 3 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]
actually it's not editable by anyone, it's an independent company run by James Cridland and he is the one who approves the details put out on it. Certain criteria have to be fulfilled and not every radio station is added willy nilly. Add this to our Octoshape listing and our VirtualRadio listing and that is three separate external independent sources of the radio station.

Wrong wrong wrong - those still just prove that the station exists, that's it - we all accept the station exists, we don't accept it's notable. Listings do not provide notablity - they provide evidence that something exists and do you really think you are the first person to try and use MediaUK? the first NN radio station to roll up at wikipedia? no and no. I think I will have to change to strong delete - the fact that people connected to the station can only provide weak and poor sources says it all really. --Fredrick day 21:39, 3 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Comment - I'd be in support of the reinstatement of the article if the DAB broadcast goes ahead. Until then, it's really just another internet stream. For what it's worth, I think it's a pretty professional-looking operation as far as internet stations go, but it's really not notable enough for Wikipedia. Digital Spy Poster 20:27, 4 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was keep. — CharlotteWebb 01:48, 7 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Impellitteri[edit]

Lots of florid praise, but - amazingly - no sources. That is really unusual for an article on a band, isn't it? Oh, wait... Guy (Help!) 21:02, 2 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Here's one [52], another [53], here's a nice one that covers the whole band [54] etc. etc. etc. 'Nuff said? Hamster Sandwich 22:38, 6 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. - Mailer Diablo 14:43, 7 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Iraq war memorial[edit]

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Contested prod. This is a memorial about 5 soldiers of a brigade in the Iraq war. There is no assertion of the notability of either the brigade or the soldiers. The editor who removed the prod thought that since the soldiers died in combat, they are notable. I don't think this is automatic. -- lucasbfr talk 23:34, 2 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

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