The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was delete as no non-trivial, independent sources. Adam Cuerden talk 22:36, 8 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

SixHits Digital Radio

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This is a sparsely-referenced article about an internet radio station whose notability cannot be verified (WP:CORP). Two of the station's presenters, Kevin Coy and Michael (Meic) Young are the main authors of the article. No external press references for SixHits can be easily located. Digital Spy Poster 20:54, 2 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Do you have a policy-based reason to suggest it's kept - something not based on "I don't like the editor who generated the AFD?" --Fredrick day 23:08, 2 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Comment - Ofcom DSPS licences can be obtained on payment of the correct fee by anyone, provided they satisfy certain basic criteria. There isn't any barrier to entry with those licences as there is with FM licences. It isn't an indication that the station is able to broadcast on digital radio platforms. Being a limited company is similarly not proof of notability. [1] Digital Spy Poster 21:20, 2 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

*deletesuper strong delete NN as it currently stands, the sources presented are awful - I would be willing to reconsider if better sources are presented. --Fredrick day 22:26, 2 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Internet radio stations are notable if they can demonstrate a clear and verifiable cultural notability or influence. CBC Radio Three and WOXY, for instance, are clearly notable, but your own personal Peercast stream with three listeners is not.
Our primary consideration here should be notability of this station and verifiability of such. -- Kesh 22:43, 2 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]
does it exist? yes it does. Does it have a clear and verifiable cultural notability or influence - I'd say not. all of the mentions of this station seem to self-generated and the usual NN collection of forum postings. --Fredrick day 22:54, 2 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Our cultural notability is based on three unique premises. One: we are the only UK based radio station broadcasting regular live baseball. As such, we are serving an audience of fans not previously served by any British radio broadcaster. This has already been referenced on Channel Five [[3]] and has the support of 8 IL clubs, the media director of MiLB and the president of the International League. Two: we are a fully licensed internet radio station. In the age of Shoutcast and various other online streaming companies, anyone can set up an illegal station. We have spent money and put effort into obtaining all the necessary licenses we need. We also have taken the first step into becoming only the second UK internet station to move onto the DAB platform, with a second step deep in planning and preparation mode. Three: in the face of a closed media run by corporations, and also tower-block and underground pirate radio stations, which allegedly serve audiences ostracised from society, we give the ordinary talented young men and women of the UK the opportunity to broadcast on a professionally run, regulated radio station from their own houses and/or studios. This includes adhering to Ofcom Codes of Conduct and similar regulations. Therefore we are providing a service in teaching young people the ins and outs of radio broadcasting, whilst introducing them to the world of media in a developing and nurturing manner.
This is the crux of our argument for the keeping of our entry. If necessary, I will add all the relevant details to the article that may be needed for its survival. With regard to external sources, it's not like we've been trying. We have issued regular press releases, and it is obvious from our baseball and football projects that communications with external individuals and organisations have paid off, as well as providers of our competition prizes. This is a young but alive and breathing radio station which has a lot to offer and, given the chance, a lot to prove. Therefore, as an individual and not as an employee, I believe it merits inclusion. Michaelyoung83 22:55, 2 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]
show don't tell - this is really really simple - no matter how many posts you make to this AFD unless multiple independent sources are added to the article, it will be deleted - it's that simple. If you are unable to supply such sources, tell us now and save us all the trouble. Your licence just proves you exist, it does not prove you are notable. The fact that you have plans to go onto DAB does not prove you are notable - actually being on DAB might, the fact that you think are doing something wonderful by helping young people does not prove are you notable. Forget any of the following as sources - press releases and forum posts. so it's not "if necessary" it is "this is ABSOLUTELY" necessary - forget press releases and forum posts as sources, they don't cut it - if you (the organisation) wrote it - it doesn't cut it. Multiple independent sources. --Fredrick day 23:05, 2 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]
The Channel Five mention isn't really an independent source. It's just an email being read out by a presenter. If I phoned a radio station, requested a song and had my name read out on air, I wouldn't then be able to start a Wikipedia article about myself using a recording of the mention as proof of notability. Digital Spy Poster 23:12, 2 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Please sign your posts - all you seem to saying is "no sources exist", AFD isn't a vote, if proper sources are not added to the article because they don't exist, then neither will the article. Discussion of X,Y and Z that might happen in the future mean nothing. Oh and stop attacking the editor who created the AFD, personal attacks weaken your case and can lead to blocks. --Fredrick day 10:19, 3 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]
It has most certainly done this with its prospectus, annex to DP-111, acquisition of US baseball coverage, live every night for the first time on UK radio, other sports projects, and the fact that young poeple, who would not necessarily get the opportunity to learn about broadcasting in such a hands on way, now have that chance (on a full time station, not taking anything away from RSL's).
Unfortunately, none of these qualify as reliable sources to indicate notability of the subject. It's not a matter of "everyone's personal views" on notability, it's Wikipedia's rules. If you can't provide verifiable sources to prove notability of the subject, the article is to be deleted. It can't be improved if you can't satisfy those three rules. -- Kesh 16:40, 3 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]
means nothing - it's a listing service (which is not classed as a suitable source) and is editable by anyone. Let's try this again multiple independent sources. --Fredrick day 21:22, 3 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]
actually it's not editable by anyone, it's an independent company run by James Cridland and he is the one who approves the details put out on it. Certain criteria have to be fulfilled and not every radio station is added willy nilly. Add this to our Octoshape listing and our VirtualRadio listing and that is three separate external independent sources of the radio station.

Wrong wrong wrong - those still just prove that the station exists, that's it - we all accept the station exists, we don't accept it's notable. Listings do not provide notablity - they provide evidence that something exists and do you really think you are the first person to try and use MediaUK? the first NN radio station to roll up at wikipedia? no and no. I think I will have to change to strong delete - the fact that people connected to the station can only provide weak and poor sources says it all really. --Fredrick day 21:39, 3 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Comment - I'd be in support of the reinstatement of the article if the DAB broadcast goes ahead. Until then, it's really just another internet stream. For what it's worth, I think it's a pretty professional-looking operation as far as internet stations go, but it's really not notable enough for Wikipedia. Digital Spy Poster 20:27, 4 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]
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