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The result was keep. --Coredesat 01:31, 19 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Stanford Mendicants[edit]

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Non-notable college a cappella group. Only claim to notability is an unsubstantiated claim that "membership in the group is very competitive and considered prestigious." No sources. Savidan 23:01, 8 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Since we're not talking about newspaper articles, etc. the sources alone do not demonstrate notability. Student newspapers can be used to demonstrate notability if they are being used to cite a fact which makes the group notable. Using a student newspaper to cite a anecdote does not accomplish this. 15:20, 9 April 2007 (UTC)
Human interests pieces in local newspapers also could establish notability, but what fact from these articles makes them notable? Savidan 14:57, 10 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Is it your assertion that these articles constitute "trivial" coverage or that the San Francisco Chronicle and San Jose Mercury News are unreliable sources? WP:MUSIC seems clear on what constitutes a trivial mention (and the articles presented don't fall under that category, in my opinion), but I suppose there is room for disagreement on that point. Nevertheless, the Chronicle article notes multiple international concert tours per item 3 here and that the group is among the first of its kind on the West Coast (which could qualify for item 6 or multiple items here). YMMV. JavaTenor 16:51, 10 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]
 Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so that consensus may be reached
 Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Ezeu 00:24, 14 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was speedy deleted by Alison. J Milburn 09:14, 14 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Gas house pizza[edit]

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Restaurant that appears to be non-notable, except locally. Doesn't have any sources to support that, or anything else in the article. Currently fails WP:N, WP:V and WP:RS-EMP 00:34, 14 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Delete, quite non-notable. --Cremepuff222 (talk, review me!) 01:14, 14 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was keep; withdrawal came too late to stop the AfD going ahead, but the arguments are strong that this is a potentially manageable and useful list that does not necessarily require original research. Views are running that way, as well, and in all the circs I think an early "keep" closure justified. Metamagician3000 11:00, 17 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

List of tomato cultivars[edit]

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Indiscriminate list of no encyclopedic value. List is unmanageable, and invites own research, commercial advertising, and poor-quality content. Jerry 00:40, 14 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]


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The result was delete. --Coredesat 01:33, 19 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Bubba Fangman[edit]

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Non notable wrestler, no evidence of multiple non trivial independent sources, 13 unique Ghits, fails WP:BIO. One Night In Hackney303 00:43, 14 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

  • Comment Given your previous history of removing prods without improving the article, I wasn't prepared to waste my time. If sources existed, you should have created the article from them and listed them appropriately. Given the amount of content contained in the article it's reasonable enough to assume that you do not have access to multiple non trivial sources about this person, and it's unlikely they exist. One Night In Hackney303 04:36, 14 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment. I know he regularly appeared on GWF television, although I don't know of any online sources aside from tape trading websites which could verify it. I've sinced added a reference from prowrestlinghistory.com, a reference used in numerous wrestling biographies on Wikipedia. MadMax 09:19, 17 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was delete. --Coredesat 01:35, 19 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Camp Calumet Lutheran[edit]

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Non notable summer camp. Current article doesn't do much along the lines of establishing notability, it just lists what they do there-EMP 00:50, 14 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. --Coredesat 01:36, 19 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Spanish language rock and roll[edit]

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Indiscriminate list of no encyclopedic value. List is unmanageable, and invites commercial advertising, and non-notable content. Redundant to Category:Rock en Español. Jerry 00:47, 14 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. --Coredesat 01:38, 19 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Counter-Strike culture[edit]

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unencyclopedic, non notable, completely unsourced, and everything important is already duplicated in the related articles for counterstrike, and the professional gaming stuff is duplicates of the CAL article and the individual notable teams. SWATJester On Belay! 00:52, 14 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was Speedy delete a1 (no encyclopedic content), WP:NFT, WP:NOT a recipe book. NawlinWiki 02:50, 14 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Chocolate apple pie[edit]

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This is not really an article. There's nothing special about chocolate apple pie as far as I know. Prod contested. Delete due to lack of (potential for) encyclopedic content. ... discospinster talk 01:39, 14 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was no consensus. Majorly (hot!) 10:36, 21 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

K-Salaam[edit]

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I don't see any claims of notability, but the speedy tag I put on it was removed, so I'm bringing it here. This is a non-notable musician. Corvus cornix 02:03, 14 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was No consensus. Quarl (talk) 2007-04-19 06:30Z

Active Citizens Transform[edit]

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Lack of notability Mmoyer 02:13, 14 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Keep References have been added, so I'm changing my vote to keep. -- P.B. Pilhet 22:09, 15 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was Speedy delete g1 patent nonsense, no sources; also deleting The Great Jayhawk and The Free Will Church of Kamrar, oddly enough created by same author. NawlinWiki 02:56, 14 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Kamrarism[edit]

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I think this may be a hoax; a goole search found no results. Possibly a speedy candidate. Abeg92contribs 02:22, 14 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. --Coredesat 01:40, 19 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

List of Hollywood Squares center squares[edit]

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Non-notable. Indiscriminate information. WP:ATT. Etc. Saikokira 02:16, 14 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. --Coredesat 01:41, 19 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

List of Countdown octochamps[edit]

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WP:NOT#IINFO. A list of people who have done well on a game show. "Countdown octochamps" is a Non-notable topic considering how many there have been, and a Google search for "Countdown octochamps" returns a lot of Wikipedia mirrors. If any of these contestants are worth mentioning, that should be done in Countdown (game show), not a seperate article. Saikokira 02:28, 14 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. --Coredesat 01:43, 19 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Neurot Recordings discography[edit]

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WP:NOT. As the title suggests, a list of releases from an obscure record label. Saikokira 02:36, 14 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. Single-purpose account arguments have been disregarded, and most of the keep arguments given by those accounts are attempts to defend the subject's theories without addressing the notability of the subject per any guideline or policy. This is not a debate on conspiracy theory; Wikipedia is neither a soapbox nor a battleground. --Coredesat 01:47, 19 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Dr. Judy Wood Phd.[edit]

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I have refactored long comments to the talk page of this AFD because it is very long and disrupts reading of the day's AFD page. This is not an assertion that those comments are incorrect or less important. When contributing please try to place a sentence or two with your keep/delete opinion on this page with longer comments on the talk page. Thank you. Stifle (talk) 17:35, 15 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Ms. Wood believes that the World Trade Center towers were destroyed by "directed energy weapons." She presented a paper to that effect at one scientific conference. The article, however, gives no sources showing that either she or her theory are notable. NawlinWiki 02:46, 14 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

For openers, it is requested that all editors refer to Dr. Wood using the academic title to which she is entitled, that is "Doctor" and/or "Ph.D.". Dr. Wood is a Ph.D. in mechanical and civil engineering, and believes that the twin towers were destroyed by energy weapons. The combination of these two irrefutable facts alone is noteworthy. Furthermore, she has filed an RFC against the NIST, this too is noteworthy on its own. Dr. Wood has appeared on various radio interview shows, again noteworthy, and these are in the process of being added to the article. Dr. Wood and her theory are so noteworthy, in fact, that a Ph.D. physicist, Greg Jenkins, has written a lengthy article attempting to discredit her. It is hard to imagine Dr. Jenkins investing such effort in someone not noteworthy. Zarcon 03:28, 14 April 2007 (UTC)Zarcon (talkcontribs) has made few or no other edits outside this topic. [reply]

all theories of 9/11 are conspiracy theories, you must know that. Zarcon 03:41, 14 April 2007 (UTC)Zarcon (talkcontribs) has made few or no other edits outside this topic. [reply]
Please, let's not turn this into a 9/11 conspiracy debate, this is about Judy Wood.--Bryson{Talk}{Edits} 03:54, 14 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Agreed, you brought up conspiracy.
  1. she is (or was) an assistant professor, and assistant professors are rarely notable unless they have done exceptional scientific work, recognized as such by the scientific community.
  2. She has published zero peer-reviewed journal articles. She has written a thesis, but all beginning scientists do, as an academic exercise; the publishable parts if any are published. She has delivered a paper at a conference. That goes as a minor element of one's CV; even if published it doesn't count as a paper, because peer-review is usually minimal, and hers' has not even been published. She gave an unreported lecture. She asked for input to a government document, and filed a statement. That is not notable.
  3. Journal of 911 Studies, which claims to be peer-reviewed, is published by Scholars for 9/11 Truth and Justice. Their web site indicates strong internal feelings pro and con the question of whether the utter implausability of JW's studies imperils their work. For those inclined to get involved in such things, that group seems well worth an article. But in my opinion neither being published nor attacked in that journal confers notability on anyone or anything.

In conclusion, she has a few strong-minded friends and opponents, but nobody outside that small circle knows of her or thinks of her as notable. She may become a notable crank, but she isn't there yet.DGG 04:13, 14 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

It matters little whether Wikipedia keeps its entry on Dr. Judy Wood. After all, the powers that be certainly do not want the public to perceive that directed energy weapons were used to destroy the WTC. Why, if that were ever to become a part of the public's awareness, think what the outcome would be? I'll stop with that.--Jplotinus 13:32, 14 April 2007 (UTC) (note: this is User:Jplotinus sole edit to Wikipedia)[reply]


I offer these search results from Google: Results 1 - 10 of about 9,910 for nist "judy wood " Results 1 - 10 of about 1,050 for star wars beam weapon "judy wood ". Results 1 - 10 of about 177 for nist rfc " judy wood " Results 1 - 10 of about 802 for billiard balls "judy wood " Results 1 - 10 of about 12,200 for world trade center "judy wood " Results 1 - 10 of about 551 for directed energy weapons "judy wood "Andrew Lowe Watson 15:18, 14 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I would also draw your attention to the fact that she has received strong support from two other Wiki-articled figures in the 911 truth community, DrJames Fetzer and Morgan Reynolds. Her work has been mentioned in many of the leading video films about the attacks, including Loose Change and 911 Eyewitness.Andrew Lowe Watson 15:34, 14 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Add to that the fact that the official standpoint has failed to explain and in some cases completely ignored the anomalies that Dr Wood says are explained by her theory. [remaining comments refactored to talk page] 82.23.139.49Coffinman

Are you reading the same Judy Wood article? 100% of it is about her. Of course it is about her work and her theories, practically all notable person articles are primarily about the work, for that is what makes them notable. Could you please elaborate on what you find not to pertain to Judy Wood? Zarcon 00:05, 15 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Where are the independent, verifiable, non trivial sources which back up any of the claims made in the article? Just because someone comes up with a theory with no rational basis doesn't mean they, or their theory, is notable. It doesn't matter how many 'truthers' pile on to the debate here. Secondly, why did you remove the information pertaining to the Attorney's critique of this thesis? Science is a process, not an attribute inherent attribute in a person determined by qualifications. He tested the hypothesis against the evidence and found it wanting and clearly explained why, that is science. Your attitude is more centred in faith. I request that you restore this information. 124.183.228.151 02:37, 15 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

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DO NOT REMOVE MY COMMENTS AGAIN! signed leschwartz
Ad hominem attack. The sort of thing your side has to resort to. Judy Wood IS notable in the development of the discussion of these topics. What this is really about is your sides attempt to fashion Wikipedia after your biases about the 9/11/01 events. Judy Wood is a fact and her presence in the public debate about this topic is notable. When your side loses be as vociferous in ensuring the accuracy of the coverage and you will have made up a little for your efforts towards intellectual dishonesty. Specifically, I mean hiding facts, attempting to make people you disagree with disappear is the worst sort of intellectual crime.
They use the term "raygun because that is all they got, ridicule. In fact DEW weapons exist, and there is substantial evidence to show their presence in the 9/11/01 events. But that really is beside the point. This is about enforcing neo-con views on Wikipedia. People, some people who think and investigate for themselves are dangerous. theories which counter the official line are dangerous. Such people, such theories should be made to disappear. leschwartz

— Leschwartz (talk • contribs) has made few or no other edits outside this topic. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Leschwartz (talk • contribs) 18:24, 15 April 2007 (UTC).\[reply]

re:— Leschwartz (talk • contribs) has made few or no other edits outside this topic. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Leschwartz (talk • contribs) 18:24, 15 April 2007 (UTC).
This is not true, the leschwartz id is new, further this is another form of ad hominem attack, without ad hominem attacks, attempts to demean Judy Wood or attempts to ridicule the topic of DEW, and aside from ridicule aimed at persons, the delete crowd has nothing to say. This is indeed the reason the Wikipedia has such a tarnished reputation for lacking objectivity. If Wikipedia insiders don't like a topic or person for ideological reasons, out come the ad hominem attacks, and those who put up another viewpoint find their comments deleted by those who can not counter the comments with persuasive responses. I leave your comments untouched because I have higher standards of honesty in debate, further your comments help me make the contrary point. These are the frequently used tactics, a campaign to delete the person, or topic will be mounted and ridicule, ad hominem attacks against all who disagree will take place, in the name of - wikipedia - standards. Such campaigns are entirely transparent, you are not fooling anyone with these campaigns, and deleting another contributors comments again during the discussion; intellectual arson. signed leschwartz, lhs_emf@pacbell.net

Whatever merit Dr. Wood’s theory has it certainly is significant since it has created much discussion in the scientific community, passionate support from some as well as many aggressive efforts to discredit it. This theory is closely documented and argued in great detail.

In fact, the visual evidence and the arguments that she makes as well as the factual information concerning the existence of Directed Energy Weapons is extensive. While it remains to be seen whether or not Directed Energy Weapons powerful enough to disintegrate one hundred story buildings exist, Dr. Wood has taken steps to verify this hypotheis by contacting individuals in the Directed Energy Directorate to elicit their opinion on whether or not the phenomenon observed in the World Trade Center attacks are consistent with the effects that would be caused by Directed Energy Weapons.

A Google search for “Judy Wood Directed Energy Weapons” yields 362,000. hits. Plainly public interest and discussion of Dr. Wood is significant.Dr. Wood’s theory has been hugely controversial and has attracted much attention on a national level and it would be unreasonable to exclude information about her from an open source encyclopedia -- a curious public should have the opportunity to educate themselves about a provocative and unusual theory and the person who conceived it.

Dr. Wood’s theory is scientific and not political. She does not speculate about who might have been responsible but limits herself to her theory and a discussion of the physical phenomena observed and recorded.

Dr. Wood has published her theory where it can be viewed and critiqued by her peers, her critics and the general public. Her theory provides an informed and unique perspective on unusual physical events whose cause have been the cause of much discussion and dispute for nearly six years. Consideration of her theory invites reconsideration of other theories thus catalyzing a more detailed, critical and objective dialogue on the subject.

A frequent charge by critics of Dr. Wood is that DEWs don't exist. The Directed Energy Professional Society website lists numerous companies and individuals who are involved in this technology: http://www.deps.org/DEPSpages/sponsors.html

We aren't talking about the Cardiff Giant here. Dr. Wood has composed a credible and well documented theory. The theory is notable and Dr. Wood is notable for having concieved it. The public interest is well-served with an entry on Dr. Wood.

http://www.drjudywood.com

http://www.emediawire.com/releases/2007/3/emw515165.htm

Thurn X 03:07, 15 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

— Thurn X (talkcontribs) has made few or no other edits outside this topic. Pete.Hurd 03:22, 15 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment. Many of the Keep votes are now arguing that we should disgregard the usual notability criteria in this case. These voters may be new to Wikipedia, and may not know that the notability criteria aren't waived for any article. They are a natural extension of Verifiability, a central guiding principal which says that all information on Wikipedia must be able to be verified from reliable sources, to confirm that it is true and accurate. This isn't a 'secondary issue,' it is at the heart of what Wikipedia is. -FisherQueen (Talk) 11:14, 16 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Wikipedia's job is to get information that people want out in the open, and to do so from reliable sources. This means if there's two newspaper articles, one in the New York Times, and the other in the National Enquirer, then obviously we'd pick the Times. But this is not the case here. The reliable sources in this case are those where the information can be found. The wikipedia article should be a representation of all the sources. People want the information. Complete Truth 12:31, 16 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]
No, that isn't what Wikipedia is about. Wikipedia is an encyclopedia, a compilation of material already in reliable sources. Extensive use of primary source documents constitutes original research, which is unacceptable. JoshuaZ 15:12, 16 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Comment - On what basis do you claim "this is not one of them"? A former mechanical engineering professor at a mainstream university files a Request For Correction (RFC) with NIST. The RFC is archived on a US Government website. The former engineering professor is represented by a mainstream attorney. There was an official PRWEB press release issued. Do you wonder why the New York Times has not picked this up? I'd like you and everyone else to take the time to watch this short 10 minute video. After that, I'd like your opinion on whether "exceptions to basic notability criteria" apply in this case. If you don't believe so, I'd like to know why. Thank you. Complete Truth 00:29, 17 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]
There should be no exceptions to the basic notability criterion, as the presences of mutiple reliable sources is the only way we can have a neutral point of view article with no original research that is verifiable by mutiple Wikipedia editors. Without attributing statements in articles to reliable sources, anyone could just write whatever they want on WP and there would be no independent peer review of articles, leading to an unreliable encyclopedia. Leuko 03:12, 17 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]


Comment by ewing2001

As pointed out earlier and then censored and wiped by wikipedia, the whole idea of wikipedia is an Orwellian Operation, where nothing honest gets established. Judy Wood has theoretically the same right to appear at wikipedia as Professor Jones, who are actually was working on the same weaponry, wikipedia not only denies but also ignores that wikipedia has their own entry about directed energy weapons. Since you will erase my entry again, i am not interested how this Issue will be solved anyway, but for those who are accidentally will caught my entry: Here is the evidence that Directed Energy Weaponry was already a business for at least 50 companies BEFORE 9/11: http://www.911researchers.com/node/403 The 9/11 StarWars ExoW CoverUp: Why NASA and NGA was part of the Perp System

http://www.911researchers.com/node/403#comment-2963 [StarWars: ExoW incl. DirEN directly plus aviation weaponry]

Boeing ("Team ABL"), Lockheed, TRW, General Atomics, SPARTA, Inc., Ionatron, Rockwell Collins International, Mevatec/BAE, Ball Aerospace, Allied Signal, Hughes, EMS, United Technologies, Comlinear plus Israeli co-contractors Elbit/El-Op and IAI/Elta....


[StarWars: logistical contracts of any kind ] ... BoozAllen Hamilton, Research Planning, Inc./BTG ("Eagle Alliance"), CSC, ACS Defense, CACI, Compaq, TRW, Windemere, Fiber Plus, Verizon, Superior Communications, Veridian ("Logicon TASC team"), Advent Systems Inc., Electronic Data Systems Corp., Advanced Engineering & Sciences/ITT Industries, RDR Inc., SRS Technologies, Washington Group/Raytheon, Titan Systems Corp., Delfin Systems, SAIC ("Digital Network Intelligence Enterprise Team"), Northrop Grumman, Telcordia/SAIC and others.


... -Many smaller start-up companies during Summer 2001 had been linked to production of other unconventional weaponry (exoW), i.e.: Positronics Research LLC, in Santa Fe, N.M (AntiMatter Weaponry) Nanoenergetics Inc./NovaCentrix (Nanothermite Weaponry)

(see also http://www.911bloglines.com/node/61)


http://www.deps.org/DEPSpages/meetings.html (all conferences , workshops of DEPS etc...) ...


this quote: "...We're going to fight from space and we're going to fight into space. That?s why the US has development programs in directed energy and hit-to-kill mechanisms...."

Commander-in-Chief of US Space Command (1994-1996), Joseph W. Ashy http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joseph_W._Ashy


http://www.911researchers.com/node/403#comment-2982 DoD budget 2001 plan had "new line item for Directed EnergyTech A new line item for Directed Energy Technology would be funded at $ 32 million...


http://www.911researchers.com/node/403#comment-2982 NIST hooked up with Defense Company specialized in Directed Energy

http://www.atp.nist.gov/ https://www.mepcenters.nist.gov/cims2-web/pub/ss.mep?sfc=1&state=read&UN... Activity Period: 2004-2

"... Center Name: Missouri Enterprise Story Title: Clean Earth Technologies, LLC, Designs for the Future

"...CET has broad experience in optics, photonics, ...directed energy technology,...

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As has been said before multiple times and is in the box at the top of this page, this is not the place to debate the truthfulness of Dr. Judy Wood's theory. Per WP:V, truthfulness has nothing to do with inclusion on Wikipedia. This debate is about whether Dr. Judy Wood, the person, is notable enough to have a Wikipedia entry. Whether directed energy weapons exist or destroyed the WTC is irrelevant for this discussion. Wikipedia is not a forum for general discussion or research; it's an encyclopedia. Also, no comments here were censored or "wiped". User:Stifle moved some of the longer comments to the talk page for readability reasons; all comments are still accessible in the page history. Finally, please put new comments at the end of the page to make the page easier to read and to avoid splitting discussions. Mr.Z-mantalk¢ 23:18, 17 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]
I assume you joke when you say "leading to an unreliable encyclopedia". Take a look here. Wikipedia is already unreliable, in that most everything on that page is factually wrong. I offer the animation at the top of this page as proof - definitive proof - that Dr Wood is 100% correct when she says the towers were dustified. The still shots in that animation are confirmed by ALL other photographs, and there's NO contradictory evidence. The towers did not collapse. They were dustified. Therefore, it should be obvious that the sources used in this wiki page are NOT reliable. The sources for Dr Wood's page are definitely MORE reliable! Complete Truth 06:10, 17 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Following are the criteria for inclusion as an academic, with my comments added. Dr. Wood meets five of the six, while the guideline only requires one of the six.

Criteria[edit]

If an academic/professor meets any one of the following conditions, as substantiated through reliable sources, they are definitely notable. If an academic/professor meets none of these conditions, they may still be notable, and the merits of an article on the academic/professor will depend largely on the extent to which it is verifiable.

1. The person is regarded as a significant expert in his or her area by independent sources.

Independent source James Fetzer, Ph.D. has called Dr. Wood the "most qualified" person to research 9/11, which is her area.

2. The person is regarded as an important figure by independent academics in the same field.

All 9/11 researchers are aware of Dr. Wood, her importance is documented by her many strong supporters including Jim Fetzer and Morgan Reynolds, and also by her critics such as Steven Jones and Jim Hoffman. Love her or hate her, Dr. Wood is an important figure.

3. The person has published a significant and well-known academic work. An academic work may be significant or well known if, for example, it is the basis for a textbook or course, if it is itself the subject of multiple, independent works, if it is widely cited by other authors in the academic literature[1].

"The Star Wars Beam Weapons" paper is significant and well-known. All prominent 9/11 researchers are well-aware of it.

4. The person's collective body of work is significant and well-known.

Along with the "Billiard Ball Example", the Beam Weapon paper, Dr. Wood's collective body of work is significant and well-known in the 9/11 truth community. She has spoken at several conferences, and will speak at the upcoming conference Aug2-4.

5. The person is known for originating an important new concept, theory or idea which is the subject of multiple, independent, non-trivial reviews or studies in works meeting our standards for reliable sources.

Dr. Wood is responsible for the important new concept that energy weapons likely were used to destroy the twin towers.

6. The person has received a notable award or honor, or has been often nominated for them.

Well, not yet.

Zarcon 00:19, 17 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Comment: Please note as substantiated through reliable sources. No WP:RS are present, and thus none of the criteria are met. Leuko 03:01, 17 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Leuko, the problem is that 9/11 research is blacklisted from the mainstream media generally. You cannot pretend that it does not exist. Dr. Wood is notable within the 9/11 research community, her field. Precedent for inclusion of 9/11 releated matters has already been set. Scholars for 9/11 truth has survived RFD, despite the same lack of mainstram sources. 68.122.147.56 03:30, 17 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Oh for crying out loud. First, "9/11 research" is not "blacklisted" by the "mainstream media". There have been multiple articles about 9/11 conspiracy theories in the New York Times, the Wall Street Journal, and other major "mainstream media" sources. Second, even if this material was "blacklisted" it would be irrelevant to Wikipedia policy. If we don't have any reliable sources discussing the matter then Wikipedia can't say anything about it. The 9/11 scholars article survived AfD because it had been mentioned in mainstream sources, not despite it. JoshuaZ 20:39, 17 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]


Comment: At the risk of stating the obvious, I feel the need to point out a crucial concept: If Dr. Wood is to be evaluated for notability as an academic, it must be within her academic field. She is not a professor of 9/11 Studies, but of mechanical engineering.

1. The person is regarded as a significant expert in his or her area by independent sources.

Please cite sources demonstrating her agreed-upon significance (not competence) in the field of mechanical engineering.

2. The person is regarded as an important figure by independent academics in the same field.

This field is not "all 9/11 researchers", but mechanical engineering.

3. The person has published a significant and well-known academic work.

Her work may be "significant and well-known in the 9/11 truth community", but that's irrelevant to her academic credentials. If my English professor happens to write one-act plays, he may be "significant and well-known in the one-act play community." But it doesn't mean that his plays are academic publications.

4. The person's collective body of work is significant and well-known.

Please note that there are no caveats. Not "significant and well-known in the 9/11 truth community," but in the world as a whole.

5. The person is known for originating an important new concept, theory or idea which is the subject of multiple, independent, non-trivial reviews or studies in works meeting our standards for reliable sources.

Again, this pertains to the field of mechanical engineering.

6. The person has received a notable award or honor, or has been often nominated for them.

Well, we agree on this one! P L E A T H E R talk 03:43, 17 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Change Article Title?. The article is titled Judy Wood, yet the article is almost completely about her theory re: 9/11; only the first paragraph says anything about her. In other words, there is little about Judy Wood being noteworthy. However, her theory has proven to be noteworthy (although controversial), as witnessed by the articles' verifiable references to others who have criticized her work. Therefore, I suggest that the article be renamed to Dustification (that's what best describes her theory) and the initial paragraph changed to describe the theory, not the author of the theory. Truthanado 04:29, 17 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

That's a classic technique used by 9/11 coverup perps. Discouraging people from even thinking about Dr Wood or her work. It won't work anymore. Complete Truth 06:16, 18 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Associated Press article mentioning Dr Wood and her 9/11 work: http://abcnews.go.com/US/wireStory?id=2279963 Complete Truth 06:20, 18 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

If I may point it out, Wood is not the subject of that article, which is more generally about 9/11 conspiracy theorists. There is one paragraph about Wood's theory, and one quote, on page three of the four-page story. -FisherQueen (Talk) 11:11, 18 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Comment. Dr Wood's website attracts on average nearly 1,000 visitors a day: on a single day in March it had 85,000 page views and 45,000 visits. Of course this is not nearly enough to satisfy the stringent requirements for notability.http://www.sitemeter.com/?a=stats&s=s10yogi1&r=33. Andrew Lowe Watson 11:22, 18 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

References

  1. ^ There is no objective criterion for establishing that a publication is "widely" cited. Wikipedia editors should consider not only the absolute number of citations (as provided by a citation index) but also the number relative to other publications in the same field which are generally acknowledged to be important.
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The result was delete. --Coredesat 01:47, 19 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Blade: Dictionary[edit]

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WP:NOT. WP:ATT. The most important terms could be mentioned in Blade: The Series, because it is relatively small, but Wikipedia articles aren't fan glossaries. Saikokira 03:08, 14 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. --Coredesat 01:48, 19 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Phi Mu Alpha Sinfonia - Chapter Omicron Gamma[edit]

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Does not meet WP:ORG, individual chapter of Phi Mu Alpha that does not appear to be notable in its own right. Rackabello 18:08, 7 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was Keep per consensus PeaceNT 11:45, 19 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Crower six stroke[edit]

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There are under 50 ghits for "crower cycle" and only one non-trivial source I can find, but we have two articles, this and six stroke engine. There is onyl one concept, and it's not an especially notable one. Guy (Help!) 09:01, 7 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was Delete. Quarl (talk) 2007-04-19 06:31Z

Shan (Cumbrian)[edit]

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This is a dictionary definition of a term in Cumbrian. Cumbrian already has numerous examples of such terms. Transwiki to Wiktionary and delete. Flyguy649talkcontribs 04:47, 7 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was Keep. Quarl (talk) 2007-04-19 06:31Z

Mr. Short Khop[edit]

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Fails WP:MUSIC, having only 1 album released back in 2001 to no great distinction. The album also has an article, and should be deleted as well if the artist does not make the cut. Indrian 19:20, 7 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was Speedy delete a7 no assertion of notability, a1 no content. NawlinWiki 04:27, 14 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Salvington united[edit]

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Not notable football team -- not even in a league yet. Selket Talk 03:07, 14 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. --Coredesat 01:50, 19 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Caughman Road Elementary School[edit]

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School that fails WP:N, WP:V, hasn't really expanded at all, plus prod was contested by the WP:OTHERCRAPEXISTS argument. Wizardman 03:08, 14 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. --Coredesat 01:52, 19 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

St. Paul Elementary School (Virginia)[edit]

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Fails WP:N, WP:V, was never expanded after prod removed over a month ago (by using the WP:OTHERCRAPEXISTS argument. Wizardman 03:13, 14 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was Keep. Quarl (talk) 2007-04-19 06:33Z

Stainless Broadcasting Company[edit]

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Non-notable company. Article makes no assertion of notability Ocatecir Talk 23:22, 4 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was Merge to Minor seminary. Quarl (talk) 2007-04-19 06:35Z

Diocesan College (Definition)[edit]

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Four months after its creation and this article is still just a definition, even the name specifies that. Until today it had no category and no article links to it. FateClub 16:38, 4 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

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I was thinking that, but minor seminary has a specific meaning, and it refers to high schools. This is about colleges. --YbborTalkSurvey! 19:40, 14 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was Keep. Quarl (talk) 2007-04-19 06:35Z

OnAir[edit]

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Company in question may be notable, but sparse on sources. AfD should evaluate whether WP:CORP satisfied. Delete. Xoloz 20:55, 8 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. --Coredesat 01:52, 19 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Bluemoon(Band)[edit]

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Vanispamcruftisement. Contested prod. MER-C 03:48, 14 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. --Coredesat 01:53, 19 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Hardcore is more than music[edit]

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Vanispamcruftisement. Contested prod. MER-C 03:48, 14 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

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Redirect to Legion Arena Caknuck 04:07, 14 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Legion arena[edit]

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A better article already exists under the same name, except with a capital 'A' in 'Arena'. The better page is Legion Arena. SharkD 03:51, 14 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. --Coredesat 01:58, 19 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Lingwa de Planeta[edit]

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A non-notable constructed language. 486 [9] ghits, mostly WP, its mirrors, and yahoo/google groups. No evidence of mention in reliable, non-self published sources. Was deleted via WP:PROD in December 2006 and soon re-created. Has been tagged for notability since February 2007 with no improvements. In short, fails WP:N. Delete Aagtbdfoua 04:19, 14 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was No consensus to delete, possible merge to Blaine, Minnesota. Quarl (talk) 2007-04-19 06:39Z

Blaine High School (Minnesota)[edit]

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Not a notable school, no sources Naconkantari 04:13, 14 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

*'Merge and redirect to Blaine School District as a better place. TerriersFan 19:04, 14 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was Speedy delete per CSD G11. Stifle (talk) 17:42, 15 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Easedesign[edit]

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Doesn't meet WP:CORP guidelines Samw 04:23, 14 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was Delete. Quarl (talk) 2007-04-19 06:42Z

Fantasy Tales Online[edit]

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Non notable MMORPG. The article doesn't do much to establish whether the subject is notable, and with 108 ghits, I'm rather doubtful as to whether notability can be shown. Fails WP:WEB and WP:N-EMP 04:25, 14 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was Delete, 18 votes to delete, 9 votes to keep. Votes to keep were not taken as seriously in closing judgment as many tended not to cite policy. Jersey Devil 04:25, 21 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Lists of ZIP Codes in the United States by state[edit]

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Delete. I am recommending that all articles in Category:ZIP codes of the United States by state be deleted as per WP:NOT#DIRECTORY and WP:NOT#IINFO. These articles are essentially a "phone book" of all the zip codes in each state with no other content included. All of this information can more easily be found via http://www.usps.com/ as indicated at ZIP code. Please note also prior discussion at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of ZIP Codes in Oklahoma, where it was suggested that these be discussed together as an umbrella nom. --After Midnight 0001 04:16, 14 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

  • I don't see anything to bar some editor taking the non-directory paragraphs from that article and trying to either work them into another appropriate article or creating an article that doesn't act like a directory. But if it were a new article it would need to follow attribution, notability and no-original-research rules or eventually face another deletion. One idea might be to use the non-directory information as an example of a broader phenomenon and put it into an article about Zip codes. Keep in mind that it's only the directory aspects of these articles that editors have said they have a problem with, so this discussion, unless it takes another turn, would not be ammunition for a move to delete a different kind of article, if you create one.Noroton 03:47, 15 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment: I believe that all other articles in Lists of postal codes that consist of directory-type information should be deleted, but as noted, that's a future discussion. Reasons (except perhaps frequency of updates) from this discussion apply to the other articles. In a few of those cases, there may be enough reliable sources for an article on history of that nation's postal code system, but directory articles on any of them aren't encyclopedic by WP's standards. Now I'll go play Thurn und Taxis (board game), a Spiel des Jahres winner, which is about the formation of Germany's postal system. Barno 23:52, 15 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

This page takes historical references into account. Believe it or not, post offices can be closed down and their zipcodes sent to the abyss. The Oregon page attempts to document these changes as well regarding who closed out to whom. I was about to add dates to some of these such entries, thereby making them historically relevant. This is not a 'directory' page as some people state. This is a compilation of historical directories, not available in any one year of the USPS guide, nor available on USPS.com as some people state. WP:NOT#DIRECTORY should not apply.

Since this is also not a list of indiscriminate data, WP:NOT#INFO does not apply. As I previously mentioned, it is a historical reference compiled from many different sources, of which usps.com is only one. If it is desirable, I can footnote which entries came from the 1963 Zip Code Directory, the 1965, the 1967, Oregon Geographic Names, etc, ad naseum.

USPS is a fine way to find A specific zip code, but not great for looking at batches of zipcodes. Referring to the prior point, it will not tell you what station a zip code used to be.

What is different about this page vs. a list of neighborhoods in a city or a list of cities in a state? Why should I care what all 40,000 types of spore molds are? I'm obviously being facetious, but it seems that people are fine with lists of names, but not numbers. In that case, please consider this list to be all the post offices in Oregon with their respective zipcodes. Maybe we should just remove the numbers to the periodic tables and leave just the element name? I could find 50 pages that have this same basic setup.

As far as the maintenance issue, there are several people that work to maintain the Oregon page. If you would kindly refer to its talk page, you will see the discussion that happens there.

If the 'list' page is deleted, shall I create 450 seperate entries for each zip code/post office with their own unique histories? Wouldn't that take more space?

Apparently the problem is that the numbers aren't relevant to enough people. But then again, how many people do ANY entries have to relevent to in order to stay? Bdag 21:12, 16 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

The point is, as was just mentioned, that any of Wikipedia's information can be found on the internet already. What Wikipedia does is to create a concise page where all of this scattered information is compiled and easily accessible. To find ALL of the information on Oregon's Post Offices and zip codes would require going outside the internet. (I should know, I've been working on this project personally for five years). We on Oregon have taken the extra effort to obtain out of print books and scour other sources to bring you as comprehensive an article as we can to date.

Since you mention WP:LIST, let me argue why the Oregon page should stay. The Oregon list is a valuable information source, compiling historic data. It is a table of contents with links to other relevent articles. It has a lead section and a trivia section giving some background and facts about the Oregon zip code and post office numbering system and such. The list has been (albeit just recently) referenced with the materials that had to be used outside of the USPS to find the information.

If you would like, we would be more than happy to expand the Oregon page to include whatever relevant information you might require. By the way, the last time I looked under the 'Presidents of the United States' article in my paper copy of the encyclopaedia, I saw a list. I should write to Brittanica and tell them it's pointless to have lists in their volumes... Bdag 15:17, 17 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]


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The result was delete. --Coredesat 02:02, 19 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Ho Yap[edit]

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Non-notable neologism, 204 non-wiki ghits. Contested prod. MER-C 05:17, 14 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Okranian 21:45, 14 April 2007 (UTC) Okranian (talkcontribs) has made few or no other edits outside this topic. [reply]

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The result was delete. --Coredesat 02:08, 19 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

J. Bryan Scott[edit]

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Delete. Wikipedia is not a resume-posting service. Despite claims of this person being a "philanthropist" and "investor", the facts indicate that he is, in the final analysis, a college student. One with ambition, perhaps, but well below any threshold of notability. His connection to the website CampusTrade.com doesn't convince me either; its user base is limited to the university he attends. Calling it "the second largest website of its kind in the United States" is a strained, tenuous (and unsubstantiated) claim; several colleges have similar websites that perform this service. And you'd have to ignore this little thing called Craigslist, etc. Sounds like a real go-getter, but he's not (yet) earned a Wikipedia entry. -- P L E A T H E R talk 03:05, 14 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was keep.--Fuhghettaboutit 23:30, 19 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Fans of X-Rated Entertainment[edit]

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Article doesn't assert notability of this organization. Fails WP:WEB, too, if you try to look at it that way. No secondary sources. Mikeblas 06:03, 14 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]


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The result was delete as a POV fork, and redirect to American Civil War. There is no mergeable content. --Coredesat 02:12, 19 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

War for Southern Independence[edit]

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There is already an article on the American Civil War, from which this article borrows heavily. Both title and text appear to violate WP:NPOV Vgranucci 06:24, 14 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. WjBscribe 22:53, 19 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Helicopter Game[edit]

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Article about, from what I gather, is a rather non-notable web based game. Article doesn't do much along the lines of satisfying notability and WP:ATT guidelines, and contains numerous OR sections such as "Flaw", and "How to Play"-EMP 06:58, 14 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. --Coredesat 02:13, 19 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Myxx[edit]

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Non-notable music group. They have management and industry ties but no record label deal yet... nothing on allmusic.com and article reads like blatant advertising for their myspace. No external sources or verifiability save their myspace page and their own website. Anyway, Wikipedia is not Myspace and since this group hasn't released an album yet, Wikipedia is not a crystal ball. Per my research, the group fails WP:MUSIC on all counts. That said, we should delete without prejudice for recreation at a later date if they do get signed and release an album or two. Rockstar (T/C) 06:59, 14 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. Majorly (hot!) 16:16, 21 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Sail Labs Technology[edit]

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Has been speedied more than once for copyvio from the company's website and as spam. The creator of the article, Desertson is quite up-front about his COI and has reduced it to a stub. Does winning a European ICT Prize make the company notable? -- RHaworth 07:05, 14 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

So if I am here are my two cents if I am not please feel free to delete me and accept my appologies! The ICT prize is quite a cool thing and was actually pretty hard to get. If I remember correctly it was 451 companies that made the contest hurdle of which 20 where selected. ROSIDS is not like the Babelfish to put that clear all it does is do speech to text and run that through a tuned machine translation, which by itself is very cool but compared to the other things SAIL is working on (I hope here I can write it and I hope it will be in the WIKI entry soon) which include a full speech to speech computer system fades a bit (currently deployed in a Middle East warzone).... So I hope that the people that know SAILs work contribute and that this will stay. ...and by the way in the media like German TV station ARD, ZDF and print like the Austrian Standard, German Spiegel it was referred to as the "nobel prize for IT". Hope this helps and I hope more contribute! Kind regards, Desertson 11:47, 14 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Because of the COI situation it is preferable if you offer such a reference on the Talk page, rather than adding it to the article. This particular paper is co-authored by a participant in the Sail project, so it doesn't constitute any form of 'third party commentary.' Since it's not peer-reviewed or issued by a known publisher, it's not a reliable source either. It's apparently one of a series of non-peer-reviewed working papers that is explained at this TRECVID site. EdJohnston 17:59, 16 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]


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The result was keep.--Fuhghettaboutit 23:37, 19 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Tiffany Limos[edit]

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Originally nominated for deletion by Kanaka maoli i puuwai (talk · contribs) who previously marked the article for speedy deletion, for which it did not qualify. AfD wasn't filed correctly. I'm correcting the nomination. Submitter posted the comments below to the AFD talk page... -- Longhair\talk 07:39, 14 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Aloha nō, aloha kākou! This page provides no more information being here, than if it were not here. The arguments on the talk page over the whole "porn" issue are getting old and quite annoying. Please, admin, help the Wiki Community by deleting this page once and for all. Mahalo ā nui loa! -- Kanaka maoli i puuwai 05:33, 14 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

NOTE TO ADMIN I've removed most of mine and Jaynekennedy's arguments from this page as they are unrelated to the article itself and don't belong here. If user 'Jaynekennedy' feels the need to continue they can write on my talk page. Warren85 03:12, 17 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Once again, removed more personal attacks from this 'Jaynekennedy' person. Like I said, if you want to do that post it on my talk page. Otherwise it has nothing to do with the subject. Whether I have a website or posted comments on another website has nothing to do with this article. The wikipedia admins only make judgements based on what happens on THEIR site. I've stopped so why can't you? Warren85 05:35, 17 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was Speedy delete with A8. wL<speak·check> 06:25, 18 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Brandon Davis[edit]

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Hoax biography of fictional wrestler with no Google hits to speak of. Also taking into mind previous bans against recreating an article about Brandon Davis (in the guise of the Paris Hilton oil heir buddy) under this namespace. Nate 07:53, 14 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Delete. This is ridiculous.

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The result was Delete. Quarl (talk) 2007-04-19 06:44Z

John Miguel, Jr.[edit]

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Biography about a Filipino programmer. No reliable sources to verify the claims of his achievements in the article (either developing two non-notable pieces of software and translating some anime scripts to Tagalog), so he fails the notability guideline WP:BIO. NeoChaosX (talk, walk) 09:11, 14 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was Delete. Quarl (talk) 2007-04-19 06:45Z

Cousin Dave[edit]

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This doesn't seem real to me. And if it is, I don't think it is that notable. Postcard Cathy 23:57, 13 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was Speedy delete, repost of deleted content, blatant astroturfing (they openly refer to this as "operation Wikipedia"). See Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Doctor Steel and deletion review at Wikipedia:Deletion review/Log/2007 February 22, plus deletions at half a dozen other titles, most of which have ended up at WP:PT. Guy (Help!) 23:10, 18 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Dr. Phineas Waldolf Steel[edit]

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I am currently attempting to rework this article in keeping with Wikipedia's standards for NPOV and Notability. It is becoming quite a labor as over the past two hours I have been bombarded with accusations of vandalism, spamming, and several suggestions for deletion.

I am fully aware of the fact that this subject matter has been overrun with POV and gibberish in the past, and I agree that Wiki is not the place for that.

I do think that the subject matter rates a wiki entry however. Dr. Steel is taking music and theatrics to a new level with his performing, basically pioneering a new artform. The fact that he is a musician who almost exclusively utilizes the internet and independent production to produce albums, establish tours, and communicate with the public is noteworthy as well.

Thoug my wiki savvy may be somewhat lacking, I fail to understand why this subject is constantly on the deletion chopping block, instead of simply being edited and revised like every other legitimate wiki article out there. I really think a fairly neutral NPOV article can be established, and given the opportunity, I am prepared to try. Seary6579 00:07, 14 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

  • Without offering an opinion on whether that template is "really necessary" except noting the presence of the unsigned comment by 67.160.91.148, I will say that the template is clearly appropriate here. Barno 00:03, 16 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was Redirect to Winterport (town), Maine, which is further renamed to Winterport, Maine, and Winterport redirected as well. Quarl (talk) 2007-04-19 06:50Z

Winterport (CDP), Maine[edit]

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This is a good page, and noteable, but it's about the exact same place as :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Winterport_%28town%29%2C_Maine I think http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Winterport should probably just stop being a disambiguation and should just absorb

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Winterport_%28town%29%2C_Maine

and

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Winterport_%28CDP%29%2C_Maine

I suspect a bot made this and just had a bit of a quirk when this town was listed twice. I think the CDP is just the 'village' area of the town, which is simply a very small downtown part of an already small town, and really shouldn't be it's own article. Owlofcreamcheese 18:39, 13 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

The boundaries of such places may be defined in cooperation with local or tribal officials, but are not fixed, and do not affect the status of local government or incorporation; the territories thus defined are strictly statistical entities. CDP boundaries may change from one census to the next to reflect changes in settlement patterns. Further, as statistical entities, the boundaries of the CDP may not correspond with local understanding of the area with the same name

It is not a thing that is notable on it's own. It probably isn't really notable at all compared to the town, but if it is notable, it should be part of the article on the town, since it is a part of the town and not something separate. They both refer to the same locations. One is just the whole town and one is a statistical creation for the census that includes part of the town. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Owlofcreamcheese (talkcontribs) 18:12, 16 April 2007 (UTC).[reply]

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The result was delete. --Coredesat 02:15, 19 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Željko Kalac International Appearances[edit]

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I am not sure if this is wiki worthy. Postcard Cathy 00:41, 14 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. --Coredesat 02:16, 19 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Plague metal[edit]

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This seems to be one of those obscure genres that doesn't actually exist. There is one link to it on the English Wikipedia, and the page has been maintained by people, who have only one edit apiece outside of this article. As far as Googling it goes- I'm getting Wikipedia mirrors, the mandatory Geocities sites belonging to garage bands, the odd forum post, lots of unrelated titles ("Metal Bands - Winds Of Plague ( Metal Underground . com )" for instance). The only real references I can find are two articles on Vampire Magazine, which are both linked to here, about Ruttolapset, who we don't even have an article on. However, even if this confirms that a tiny band has been referred to it by questionable press, it doesn't nearly provide the kind of information that we need to have an article, or the kind of information that is already written within this article. J Milburn 10:15, 14 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. --Coredesat 02:17, 19 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Clean Up the Philippines Day[edit]

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This article is basically Non Notable - Unlike its parent project, Clean Up The World Day, Clean Up the Philippines Day is on a much smaller scale. Add this to some elements of OR & it's poor formatting & writing, this is a clear cut candidate for deletion. Is this really that encyclopedic? Delete from me -- Spawn Man 10:49, 14 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was Delete. Quarl (talk) 2007-04-19 06:56Z

Bradley Mill Springs Cabin[edit]

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Completing a nom. Original reason follows. Tizio 10:53, 14 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

This page has been nominated for deletion, because I don't think it is notable enough. If you created it, please don't be offended: you can follow the link on the template and debate it's deletion there.

And if I haven't got the technical side of things right, sorry: the instructions for nominating pages for deletion are quite complicated!martianlostinspace 13:16, 16 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was keep. Majorly (hot!) 16:14, 21 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Shinsaku Yanai[edit]

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I think this should be deleted because there is insufficient information available on subject on the internet (google searches only come up with hits copying wikipedia's entry), no sources listed on the article page and no real explanation as to notability. John Smith's 11:58, 14 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Comment Those "links to news articles" on Talk:Yanai Shinsaku/Delete are actually links to a chat group. - iridescenti (talk to me!) 12:40, 14 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Comment Indeed, which is why I relisted this. John Smith's 13:43, 14 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was delete and redirect.--Fuhghettaboutit 23:45, 19 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Sketchblog[edit]

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NN blogging term Computerjoe's talk 14:06, 14 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]


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The result was Delete. Quarl (talk) 2007-04-19 06:58Z

All American Rathskeller[edit]

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Non-notable local bar. Is no more notable than any of the other 1.5 dozen bars in State College Part Deux 14:20, 14 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was Nomination withdrawn PeaceNT 18:15, 14 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Mi Novia Esta... De Madre[edit]

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Was listed for speedy due to an inability to find information on the film, but films are not speedy-deletion eligible. Possibly a hoax, but the lack of easy Googling may be more due to systematic bias than anything else. So here we are. badlydrawnjeff talk 14:32, 14 April 2007 (UTC) - Withdrawing - JavaTenor = awesome. --badlydrawnjeff talk 16:39, 14 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was Delete. Quarl (talk) 2007-04-19 06:59Z

Greatest Hits (RBD album)[edit]

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Bumping from speedy because albums nor hoaxes meet the CSD criteria. The CSd nom stated that "They have never officially released an greatest hits album and this article does not contain any references that back up the existance of this album or future plans for this album. Another thing is that it is a fake cover, check the left corner of the cover. The labels are pasted on the picture." I can't find anything in Google either, but I could be wrong. Bringing it here. badlydrawnjeff talk 15:08, 14 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was Delete. Quarl (talk) 2007-04-19 07:04Z

Simon Curtis[edit]

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seems to fail WP:MUSIC, no releases, only speculation of being the next big thing. Promotional and/or autobiographical. ccwaters 15:13, 14 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was Delete. Quarl (talk) 2007-04-19 07:03Z

Jadion[edit]

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autobiography of the promoter of the proclaimed "next big thing" (Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Simon Curtis) in pop music ccwaters 15:19, 14 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was keep. Chaser - T 10:28, 21 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Magic 1170[edit]

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Blatant advertisement Shoessss 15:17, 14 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Sorry to say I still say DELETE. This is not to be taken as a negative to the company or the individual writing the article. However, there is a misconception that Wikipedia can and should be used as a directory (or as we call it State side: Yellow Pages) or a listing of companies. Sometimes we forget that the Wikipedia project is supposedly an encyclopedia providing a research tool for individuals to explore “Note” worthy items that are not widely known outside there small area or are widely known, but the individual would like additional information. All-in-all, I believe the article will be deleted. However, as I stated earlier, please do not take this as a derogatory statement to you as the author or the company you are writing about. It is just a state of affairs that I believe is not a good fit for Wikipedia at this time.[[ —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Shoessss (talkcontribs) 19:45, 14 April 2007 (UTC).[reply]
While the parent company may be notable, for the station to warrant an article of its own it must be notable on its own. Monty845 19:50, 14 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Agreed, which is why mine was a Comment rather than a Keep. I don't know a lot about UK radio, but I'd be curious to discover whether any or all of the Magic Radio stations should be considered notable. JavaTenor 20:00, 14 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was speedy deletion as vandalism (CSD G3) Jesse Viviano 17:39, 14 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Johnny Blowdog[edit]

Notability concerns. A school principal. All schools have a principal, and they're not very notable people. Retiono Virginian 16:16, 14 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete all three. --Coredesat 02:17, 19 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Violence in Edward Bond[edit]

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Plainly original research Shoessss 15:30, 14 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was Keep. Quarl (talk) 2007-04-19 07:06Z

Jack Glass[edit]

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It does meet CSD G5, but rather than speedy delete because of the sheer content of this page, I am placing it here for discussion. I, however, abstain from voting. Ian¹³/t 16:04, 14 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Note On further examination I can't understand why the author, user:Dog cicero was blocked initially. CDMS 10:29, 15 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]
I think this may have been the reason. HighInBC(Need help? Ask me) 13:21, 15 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]
It was mostly because of Wikipedia:Requests_for_checkuser/Case/Cicero_Dog which proved the account was a sockpuppet master, and also general disruption (see block log) (e.g. Wikipedia:Requests_for_adminship/Cicero_Dog and falsifying votes). You are welcome to contest the ban however. Ian¹³/t 14:21, 15 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]
That was Cicero Dog (talk · contribs) not Dog cicero (talk · contribs). — Preceding unsigned comment added by 88.108.131.67 (talk • contribs) 16 April, 2007
The edits made and name do indicate a link. Especially due to the volume of sockpuppets Cicero Dog has made. You could request a checkuser or request for discussion at the admin noticeboard or similar, but this board is for discussion of the article and not the user. Ian¹³/t 07:45, 17 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was delete. --Coredesat 02:19, 19 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Southgate Road[edit]

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Article about an utterly non-notable B-road in north London. It consists entirely of unsourced trivia and indiscriminate information about bus routes & parking facilities. Wikipedia is not the London Transport Journey Planner. I am also nominating its sister article Downham Road, but am doing it as a separate AfD as the articles are slightly different - iridescenti (talk to me!) 16:25, 14 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. WjBscribe 23:01, 19 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Keep It Quiet[edit]

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Contested prod removed without comment by article creator. This article is about a yet-to-be-released movie that the article creator heard about by word of mouth, and is unsourced, unattributed, and unverifiable. Wikipedia is not a crystal ball, and there doesn't seem to be any indication that this movie even exists (zero Google hits for "Keep It Quiet" "Jaume Collet-Serra"), so it might be a hoax. Coredesat 16:21, 14 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. --Coredesat 02:19, 19 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Downham Road[edit]

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This is a page about an utterly non-notable B-road in north London. It consists entirely of untrue information (De Beauvoir Town is in Hackney, not Islington) unsourced trivia and indiscriminate information about bus routes & parking facilities. Wikipedia is not the London Transport Journey Planner. I am also nominating its sister article Southgate Road, but am doing it as a separate AfD as the articles are slightly different - iridescenti (talk to me!) 16:24, 14 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. --Coredesat 02:26, 19 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Feminism in Literature[edit]

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Personal essay based on Original Research - Richfife 16:28, 14 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was Speedy delete per CSD:A3 - only content external links and stub tag. Stifle (talk) 21:20, 15 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

List of schools of computer science[edit]

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Wikipedia is not a directory. Pretty much any computer science department could be listed here but that would not make the list of more value from an encyclopedia's point of view. One option, I suppose is to make School of Computer Science (which currently redirects to that list) a proper disambiguation page for schools that have their own article on Wikipedia but I believe it's a pretty improbable search term. Pascal.Tesson 16:30, 14 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was Speedy delete — G1 - nonsense. — ERcheck (talk) 14:36, 15 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Japhetism[edit]

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Several previous versions of this page have been deleted as nonsense, but this one seems to be a somewhat coherent description of a form of Christian white supremacy. However, it gives no indication of notability as required per Wikipedia:Notability. Although I've asked for references, the only sources provided are two biblical quotations on which "Japhetites" supposedly base their views. The creator, User:Holy Ambassador, has been making some very odd POV edits to Kingdom of God, promoting the views of "Sergius the Restorer", the (apparently self-proclaimed) "First Citizen, Professor, and Prime Minister of the Kingdom of God". In short, the Japhetism article seems to exist only to publicise the views of one man with a blog. Either that, or the whole thing is a hoax or attempt at satire. Delete. EALacey 16:40, 14 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]


Delete SPEEDY DELETE - see comment below WP:NOT - not a publisher of original thought. --Fredrick day 16:48, 14 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

No way? The fact that he claims that the capital of the kingdom of god is London and the current prime minister is called Sergius the Restorer, now I don't like Tony Blair, but I'm pretty sure that's not an official title... it's incoherent nonsense and should actually be a SPEEDY on that basis. --Fredrick day 13:07, 15 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Ah my mistake HE claims to the prime minister... still needs to be deleted under WP:COMPLETEANDUTTERBOLLOCKS --Fredrick day 13:16, 15 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Speedy Delete Absolute nonsense Kneale 13:32, 15 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was Delete. Quarl (talk) 2007-04-19 07:10Z

MyOS[edit]

this is here by my mistake, in short - i thought it was desired of me to make this as an "explanation" to the link at "mini-linux distros" page which is the only thing i originally wanted to update around here... so yeah, delete it, move it.. sorry, zelko


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Non-notable distribution, referencing only one low-level URL that is riddled with broken image links --Auto(talk / contribs) 16:51, 14 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was Delete. BigHaz - Schreit mich an 07:30, 20 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

DarkMetal[edit]

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Still no assertion of the primary notability criterion. Argument for keep in previous AfD was that it is a well established game with a high user base and by comparison to other articles. But there simply aren't any independent references here. Marasmusine 16:57, 14 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. 1ne 01:37, 22 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

U-Fig[edit]

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Contested ProD by an Anon user, with no explanation as to why. I am nominating this page for deletion for three reasons. First, it fails to establish notability. It's not a single, it hasn't gained any notability, and it's just a song on one of their CD's. What makes this song stand out that it deserves an article? Second, all the article is is a play-by-play description of how the song goes, down to what each instrument sounds like. I guess this would fall under WP:NOT#IINFO, specifically Plot Summaries and Lyrics Database. Lastly, the interpretation of the lyrics is all Original Research. None of the interpretations are sourced, nor could they possibly be sourced, and they make no sense at all. SuperDT 17:03, 14 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

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Soldier Side (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views)
She's like Heroin (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views)
Holy Mountains (song) (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views)
Tentative (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views)
Stealing Society (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views)SuperDT 17:22, 14 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was delete. WjBscribe 23:10, 19 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Slade gellin[edit]

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Appears to fail notability. Was only able to find a small handfull of published articles, and none were particularly cited. Claims to notability aren't properly sourced.Pekaje 17:12, 14 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was keep. Arkyan &#149; (talk) 20:06, 19 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Thomas Secunda[edit]

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Totally non-notable person. Has some shares, did some programming (would somebody write an article for me please!) Unexpandable sub-stub. Pleclech 17:19, 14 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete without prejudice to recreation of an expanded, sourced article. --Jeffrey O. Gustafson - Shazaam! - <*> 07:21, 21 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Saddle Butte (Wyoming)[edit]

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Bumping from speedy, as it's not a candidate. I thought it was a bit of vandalism (heh heh, Saddle Butt), but then found that there's a road called Saddle Butte in Jackson, Wyoming. So I'm not sure that the actual Saddle Butte is a real thing, or, even if it were, it was really appropriate. So here we are. badlydrawnjeff talk 17:22, 14 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

So, this is an article about a subdivision? Then that needs to be explicitly stated in the article. The actual butte may be a local naming convention that doesn't appear on any maps, but even so, unless we can clearly show that it is a real butte, I don't think a subdivision or the road into one is notable. Maybe the lodge is notable, but not sure if it is...still would need a renaming under Saddle Butte Lodge.--MONGO 19:36, 14 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

We could rename it East Gros Ventre Butte as that is a pretty big "hill" nw of Jackson and highway 89 parallels it on the east side...that is apparently where saddle butte drive is. according to this link...as seen here in topo--MONGO 19:43, 14 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Delete I originally called this into question on the talk page. Its clear that Saddle Butte was a name fabricated by some real estate agent, but even East Gros Ventre Butte doesn't meet any sort of notability. Its doubtful this will ever expand beyond a stub except as a link to non-notable real-estate subdivisions. Its just another hill in a valley noted for them. - CosmicPenguin (Talk) 00:04, 15 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was keep. Majorly (hot!) 16:09, 21 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Tony Stetson[edit]

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Non notable wrestler, one of the references provided is trivial as can be seen here. His name appearing on five pages is not a non-trivial source. The other book can't be searched properly on Amazon or on Google books, but based on the information in the article it isn't a non trivial source either. Fails WP:BIO. One Night In Hackney303 17:44, 14 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

  • Comment A bit of honesty wouldn't go amiss, he didn't "win" any titles in a major promotion. He "won" titles in 1993 when ECW was known as Eastern Championship Wrestling and it was nothing but a small independent promotion. The later success of the promotion does not transfer backwards to somehow make Tony Stetson more notable, especially when he hasn't been the subject of multiple non-trivial sources. One Night In Hackney303 22:49, 14 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was delete and redirect to East Canonbury. WjBscribe 00:52, 20 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Canonbury East[edit]

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Article is a redundant content fork created at the same time, by the same creator, as East Canonbury. I don't feel that this article even warrants a merge-and-redirect as "Canonbury East" is a phrase I have never heard used to describe this area (known to the rest of the world, the London A-Z guide, the Metropolitan Police et al as De Beauvoir). The article as it stands is totally non-neutral ("It would be a good idea if..."), unsourced, unreferenced, unwikified, loaded with weasel words and appears to consist entirely of inaccurate and irrelevant trivia.

The other prong of this content fork, East Canonbury, is currently the subject of debate at WikiProject London about whether to merge with Canonbury or delete, so I'm not submitting it at this stage. - iridescenti (talk to me!) 18:11, 14 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Comment The area the creator of these two articles is referring to isn't any part of Canonbury (east or otherwise) but De Beauvoir Town, and isn't even included in the council ward of East Canonbury (the only usage I can find of the phrase in the real world); Canonbury is in Islington and the area in question's in Hackney. If it's to be referred to by a compass point, it would be either South Dalston or West Haggerston. - iridescenti (talk to me!) 14:47, 19 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was delete. WjBscribe 23:13, 19 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Technocratic Syndicalism[edit]

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nominated on behalf of anon who incorreclty tagged it as speedy: "non-notable and seemingly WP:NFT, 1 author, no incoming links, few google results". This is a procedural nomination; I abstain. Natalie 18:20, 14 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was keep. 1ne 01:35, 22 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Sicilian, Dragon, Yugoslav attack, 10.O-O-O[edit]

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I am nominating this page for deletion because it constitutes nothing more than a brief instructional guide to a particular variation of a chess opening. (see WP:NOT#IINFO(4). In addition, rhere are no references on the page, and while I suppose it is possible the name can be referenced, I do not see any kind of assertion of notability in it. (Note: I also nominated several chess openings at once here but since people expressed a desire to weigh some of these pages individually, I decided to give folks a chance for that. Apologies if this seems too quick, but I see no reason to delay further. I do not feel a merge or redirect is appropriate because there's no real encyclopedic content, the title is unlikely for a redirect, and Sicilian Defence, Dragon Variation is itself dubious in my view. This may be valuable content if you want to teach somebody all about chess, but is that what Wikipedia is about? FrozenPurpleCube 18:50, 14 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Keep for now. Refs [26] [27] etc. However, this may in the future be a good merge candidate for a larger Sicilian Defence page. The information is encyclopedic just as much as say, Ludo.EliminatorJR Talk 13:42, 15 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Ludo is a disambig page. I assume you meant Ludo (board game), but there is a huge gap between an article on a board game, whether it be Chess or Ludo, and an article that simply describes how to play a particular variant is not encyclopedic. It is, as I said, indiscriminate information, in particular number four. Neither of the sites you linked to establish the notability of the actual opening, or provide any substantial content about the opening's history. They just describe how to play the opening. That is not encyclopedic at all. FrozenPurpleCube 15:18, 15 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]
It is perfectly encyclopedic. The articles are verifiable definitions of the openings. However, look at my comment below. Give me some time to work on this, and I think we can come to a workable position. EliminatorJR Talk 15:49, 15 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]
I believe need to look at WP:NOT#IINFO and WP:ATA. These are indeed definitions of the openings. That is not actually encyclopedic content, especially since they concentrate heavily on description and advice on play, and focus little (and sometimes not at all) on anything else. FrozenPurpleCube 16:21, 15 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Comment. There are dozens of similar articles, see the category of chess opening stubs. These all need to be dealt with in the same manner. This has been brought up at the Chess project from time to time, and the general consensus has been to merge these small articles about sub-variations back into the main article about the opening, except for perhaps a few such as Sicilian Dragon. So far, no one (including me) seems to want to put in the time to do it. It certainly needs to be done, I believe. Bubba73 (talk), 14:22, 15 April 2007 (UTC) added: Well, there seem to be a lot fewer of them in that category than there were, but there are still quite a few, especially under Ruy Lopez and Sicilian. Bubba73 (talk), 14:23, 15 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

There are indeed dozens of such articles, and since I brought this up months ago, discussed it at the Chess Wikiproject, I have noticed no significant action, that it was going to be worthwhile and necessary to draw attention to the problem. It may seem to you that there are a lot fewer, but I saw roughly the same number as before, and no evidence of action on your part, or anybody else's. FrozenPurpleCube 15:18, 15 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]
BTW, just to be clear, what do you believe should be done about this article in particular? FrozenPurpleCube 15:20, 15 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]
merge I was just going by memory of there seeming to have been a lot more earlier. I could easily be wrong about that. Action does need to be taken to either expand or merge them, but I see no reason to delete them. I am not well enough versed in the openings to do much work on them. I think this article should be merged into Sicilian Defense, Dragon Variation. Bubba73 (talk), 15:25, 15 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]
What could be done to expand them? And what's the point of merging content that is nothing but a description of an opening? Is that information not available elsewhere? I'm all for redirects, but there's a point where even I have to admit, the plausibility of a search term is nil. FrozenPurpleCube 16:21, 15 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]
As I said on the project page, I will look at these with a view to merge. I'm still working on the irregular openings stubs at the moment, though. If FrozenPurpleCube can just hold off on these random AfDs for a short time, I will try to do this. EliminatorJR Talk 15:46, 15 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Unfortunately, the Chess Wikiproject has had months to do something. I am not nominating pages randomly, I am nominating pages because after effort on my part to get awareness of this problem raised, and waiting several months for something to be done, nothing has actually been done to resolve the concerns that I, and others have expressed. FrozenPurpleCube 16:21, 15 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]
I am only a recent contributor to Wikipedia, so give me some time on this, please. Of course, there is the possibility that nothing has been done because other editors consider the articles to be encyclopedic? EliminatorJR Talk 16:24, 15 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Indeed, it's quite possible these editors don't consider there is a need to do anything. That, I believe is mistaken, and I have yet to be convinced otherwise. FrozenPurpleCube 16:33, 15 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

*Merge with Sicilian Defence, Dragon Variation. Bubba73 (talk), 12:32, 16 April 2007 (UTC) [reply]

Note, this is a duplicate comment, as this user already suggested a merge above. FrozenPurpleCube 14:07, 16 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]
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