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The result was delete. - Mailer Diablo 00:25, 6 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

SlaveHack[edit]

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I prodded this webgame under not meeting WP:WEB and WP:V. The prod was removed and sources were added. However, two of them are first-party sources from the game itself. The other source is rather minor and was deleted in April 2006. I believe this article cannot be sourced by a non-trivial third party for verification. Wafulz 00:19, 1 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. - Mailer Diablo 00:25, 6 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Omar Kamel[edit]

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Not notable. Reads like a CV. No citations or references. Meno25 00:40, 1 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was Speedily deleted per WP:CSD A7. Article described an alleged cult with 14 members. - Smerdis of Tlön 17:34, 1 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

The Order of Bahamut[edit]

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Nomination for deletion Unverifiable cult, possible hoax. Contested prod and contested speedy delete (I'm concerned this may be an attack page against the Catholic Church). Google only brings up a video gaming guild[1]. Bwithh 01:08, 1 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

It's the "idol worship" part which suggested the attack angle to me (standard accusation from critics that Catholic Church engages in idolatory of the Virgin Mary). The article is not patent nonsense, so I don't believe db-nonsense applies (in any case, being in afd overrules the csd tagging, although its perfectly fine to !vote for speedy deletion in afd) Bwithh 01:47, 1 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Indeed, good point. Though with Karken's assertion, while it's clearly not nonsense, it does beg the question as to whether a db-bio would be even remotely appropriate. I'd say no, given he's asserting some kind of notability, if only pseudo-verbally; your thoughts, please? --Dennisthe2 02:22, 1 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Keep It is a cult that I am a member of. It is really, a relatively new cult, and does not have many followers. (Only 14) My sect ::leader, Jyaharut, wanted me to post about it on the internet so that others could learn about the ways of our cult, become ::members, and possibly start their own sect. He encourages it.
I'm sorry if you don't believe, but we have no funding for a website currently, and we want to spread the word about our Order.
Please, just hear me out. Once we get a website, you can delete the article, but my family, and my cult leader would appreciate ::it if you kept it here until we get a website. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Karken (talkcontribs) — Karken (talkcontribs) has made few or no other edits outside this topic.

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That's open to discussion, see WP:CSDUA. Also, could be deleted as CSD G3, see first line of WP:VANDAL, same guideline says hoax or joke aricles are speediable as vandalism. Tubezone 17:20, 1 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was merge. Majorly (talk) 17:38, 6 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Santa's Village East Dundee, Illinois[edit]

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Defunct amusement park of questionable notability. ghits: [2] --NMChico24 01:32, 1 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was Withdrawn by nom. --NMChico24 01:40, 2 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Year of the Dolphin[edit]

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Little context, little upon which to expand. NMChico24 01:49, 1 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Please help me out to keep this article. I do not know what to do to save this entry. I started this lemma just minutes ago and was buissy with editing as someone already want it for deletion.
2007 has been recognised as an official UN Year of the Dolphins and has only began today and therefore there is not much information available yet for the moment; just some basic facts. As the year will be continuing, international organisations, countries, media etc. will organise activities or pay attantion to it. So then thereafter there will be more possibilities to write and adjust this lemma in Wikipedia. - (Brabo 02:41, 1 January 2007 (UTC))[reply]
Brabo, I wouldn't worry quite so much -- the consensus so far is universally "keep" except for the nominator. I think that if you found some third-party independent references such as articles in major newspapers (preferably linkable) that there would be no real objection. That said, I'll do some cleanup to bring the article more in line with house style. --Dhartung | Talk 07:22, 1 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was delete. Majorly (talk) 17:45, 6 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Wii shoulder[edit]

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"A widespread term"? Nah, just another nn neologism, this one with 1110 non-wiki ghits. Contested prod. MER-C 02:04, 1 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Delete, I haven't heard this term anywhere. --Japan became a first-world country after a bomb wiped out everyone. We Argentinians only managed to get two dictatorships and 10 million of poor people since WWII. 02:01, 6 January 2007 (UTC)

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The result was Speedy Delete A7, by the looks of things, with an R1 on the redirect. --Dennisthe2 20:09, 1 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Azules Maskarades[edit]

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This article was brought to my attention by Doc4life. It appears to be a hoax. It has no sources, has been marked as unreferenced since August, and I cannot find any information on google. Some of the information contained in the article points towards it being a hoax as well. NickContact/Contribs 02:09, 1 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was keep. — CharlotteWebb 03:42, 6 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

123 Pleasant Street[edit]

Doesn't seem to be a notable nightclub. Notability isn't established by who gives gigs there. No evidence of notability on Google. Contested prod. MER-C 02:16, 1 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

  • comment There is nothing notable about the woman's disappearance. People go missing everyday. It may be notable for that local area, but it is not notable outside of that local area. Also, there are no articles about the club outside of a mention that this missing woman owned it. No verifiability means no article. It was said that the article could be made verifiable (or was verifiable), but there are no sources cited nor found about the club. We can't keep everything on the grounds that there might be sources. No one is base their arguements on anything besides "oh, it's notable and verifiable". How is it notable? How is the notability verifiable? Again, a missing woman does not make everything connected to her notable. None of the arguements are based on policy, nor do they provide refuting evidence against the policies that are listed. For an uncited article to be able to survive on the principle that it is verifiable, just not verified, requires some showing that sources are reasonably likely to exist and can be resonably easily found by a person who is not from the area and knows nothing about the owner. The keep arguements say "It's notable" but are not providing proof of this with any sources. You are ignored the issue of verifiablility which is NOT optional or negotiable. --Brian(view my history)/(How am I doing?) 18:27, 3 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]


  • Keep, per this. Agrees with my assessment, basically 100%. Some pictures would be nice, though. Haemo 06:21, 2 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Note also that the three key policies, which warrant that articles and information be verifiable, avoid being original research, and be written from a neutral point of view are held to be non-negotiable and cannot be superseded by any other guidelines or by editors' consensus.
The only sources provided are links to the club's webpage, a homestead.com page which has been disabled, a personal angelfire.com webpage listing the owner as a missing person (which is a direct copy of one of the external links from doenetwork.us) and finally a blog story. Sorry but this is a clear delete without reputable, reliable sources. Anything on the club by Rolling Stone? A national newspaper? A national radio or TV show?
As for WP:LOCAL it states:
If enough reliable and verifiable information exists about the subject to write a full and comprehensive article about it, it may make sense for the subject to have its own article. If some source material is available, but is insufficient for a comprehensive article, it is better to mention the subject under the article for its parent locality. If no source material, or only directory-type information (location, function, name, address) can be provided, the subject may not merit mention yet at all.
As it is, There are are not enough Reliable and Verifiable information sources to validate an article. Again, WP:LOCAL is a guideline and does NOT trump WP:V. --Brian(view my history)/(How am I doing?) 20:03, 2 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was delete. - Mailer Diablo 00:36, 6 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Dan Trachtenberg[edit]

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May fail WP:BIO, also no sources. Looking for more input. cohesion 02:31, 1 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was Speedy delete, no assertion of notability and incomprehensible in parts. Guy (Help!) 10:27, 1 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

DJ Brazil[edit]

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Originally tagged and deleted Speedy A7, article was reposted. Article appears to be a copy-ad, and it clearly does not satisfy WP:COI or WP:MUSIC. Content is already on User DJ BRAZIL's User page, basically saying the same things. JRHorse 02:59, 1 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. - Mailer Diablo 00:36, 6 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Red Steel 2[edit]

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It's an unconfirmed sequel of a game that just came out. The WP:PROD tag I added was contested, and the tag was added a second time shortly after that. Because a contested Prod should go to AfD, I'm listing it here. Even though I added the tag in the first place, I'm neutral, as I get a surprisingly large number of Google hits for "Red Steel 2". --Conti| 03:40, 1 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

DELETE, not even a merge since it is not verifiable at all.--Chicbicyclist 10:36, 2 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. - Mailer Diablo 00:37, 6 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

John Boy & Billy characters[edit]

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This is a long list of every character that has ever been played on the John Boy and Billy radio show in North Caroline. It's too long to merge into the main article, so I copied the first couple characters onto the main article page. The rest can go. This is of interest to no one except die-hard fans who presumably already know each character's catchphrases. Tocharianne 04:04, 1 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. - Mailer Diablo 00:37, 6 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Toronto lofts[edit]

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Thinly veiled advertising and promotion for a single company, but the topic may be of interest so I didn't speedy. Should the article be deemed worthy of Wikipedia, it should be renamed and the external link removed. Akihabara 04:19, 1 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete and redirect. - Mailer Diablo 00:38, 6 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Horse ancestry[edit]

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This article is an abbreviated, entirely unreferenced fork of Evolution of the horse. John254 04:46, 1 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was Speedy delete as nonsense, spam, empty and no assertion of notability. Guy (Help!) 10:14, 1 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Save Earth Confederation[edit]

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Originally tagged Speedy A7. Wikipedia is not an advertising service. User posted a similar article, Www.cgptw.com/mediawiki, presently under the CSD tag. JRHorse 05:34, 1 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was Speedy Keep. Blatantly bad-faith nomination. --210physicq (c) 06:40, 1 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Battle of the River Plate[edit]

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Not too big a battle. Only double digit casualties (clearly not much). I don't think it's worthy of an article. User:WaWa12 5:43 AM UTC

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The result was Keep Merge debates can take place on the article Talk pages. Eluchil404 08:17, 6 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Doctrines and practices of Jehovah's Witnesses[edit]

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The article is a failed attempt to merge two other articles, Doctrines of Jehovah's Witnesses and Practices of Jehovah's Witnesses. The article is too long and is better for now left as two separate articles. Editing has continued as normal on the two other pages. BenC7 05:48, 1 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. - Mailer Diablo 00:39, 6 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Beckett Dragonball Z Collector[edit]

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I can't find any reliable third-party sources on this topic, and the article has little assertion of notability. Daniel.Bryant T · C ] 06:12, 1 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. - Mailer Diablo 00:39, 6 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Letter To God (Courtney Love)[edit]

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Fails WP:Music. Wikipedia is not a crystal ball so this article is at least two months early even if it is a hit single after it's release. Hatch68 06:12, 1 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. - Mailer Diablo 00:39, 6 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

PPDL[edit]

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Article states that PPDL is an acronym for a managerial style developed by a noted economist. However I do not see how that economist is notable, or how PPDL is notable. A search for "PPDL" yields ambiguous results, while "Procrastination Prioritization Delegation Litigation" does not come up with anything significant. WP:NOTE, WP:VERIFY, WP:NOT#OTHOUGHT. JRHorse 06:17, 1 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

This looks like some sort of satire or in-joke.--OinkOink 07:14, 1 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was no consensus. Majorly (talk) 17:52, 6 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Umakant Sharma[edit]

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Non-notability: all this man has done is to cheat at chess: at best this is an ephemeral story; it is not at all notable and he is not at all notable in wiki terms. Springnuts 06:21, 1 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

  • WP:BIO's guideline that he compete at the highest level is only one criteria for inclusion, and the fact that he doesn't compete at that level does not exclude him from an entry. The multiple-media coverage of him does. Tarinth 18:32, 1 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • The fact that you don't think he's famous, or that you think his press coverage qualifies as "slow news day" stories is not relavent to notability. Tarinth 18:31, 1 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

--Eqdoktor 09:58, 1 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

  • You have know way of knowing that he'll soon be forgotten; Wikipedia is not a crystal ball. He's made himself notable due to extensive press coverage. Tarinth 18:31, 1 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • He's notable because the press coverage focused on him, the player, not the issue of cheating in chess in general. Tarinth 18:31, 1 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Comment even though I'm making a case for Keep, his rating, which he obtained unfairly, means nothing Citicat 20:03, 1 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Weak Keep Being banned on this level, and the circumsances, make this a notable occurence. If there was an article "chess cheats" or "chess controversies" this could be merged, but until then it should be left. Citicat 20:03, 1 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

okay Redirect to Cheating in chess. But that article needs to be expanded to justify it. Citicat 00:59, 2 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Comment - This story was not just covered by local press. It has had coverage across the world. -- Chrislk02 (Chris Kreider) 12:11, 5 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was delete. - Mailer Diablo 00:40, 6 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Asif Malik[edit]

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This is a contested prod with no reason given for removal of the tag. It is an unreferenced article about a person who is probably not notable. It is also likely a conflict of interest. Khatru2 06:51, 1 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. - Mailer Diablo 00:40, 6 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Cultural depictions of women in combat[edit]

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This isn't the kind of topic I like to nominate; it's just too subjective to be encyclopedic. I am the editor who created the featured list Cultural depictions of Joan of Arc. I also happen to be a female war veteran.

This list's inclusion standards are too broad and poorly defined to fit Wikipedia's mission, nor have they been followed. A Few Good Men contains no combat scenes and Lara Croft is a fictional archaeologist with no military experience. The fluid and usually informal nature of women's appearances in combat situations make inclusion standards deeply problematic. Would Full Metal Jacket qualify because of the female sniper in the final scene? Would the French resistance scene put Plenty on this list? How about Platoon for its gang rape? Or The Sound of Music because Julie Andrews and the children escape from the Nazis? Most Hollywood adventure films have at least one female in the cast and often place her in danger as a plot device. That would render this list untenable if it covered cinema alone, yet it aspires to represent all depictions in all media. This reads like a few editors' POV of we think these chicks are cool. I say delete. DurovaCharge! 06:58, 1 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

If I could find way to narrow the scope to something encyclopedic and objective I wouldn't have proposed this for deletion. DurovaCharge! 03:15, 2 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was delete. Majorly (talk) 17:56, 6 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

T-Rock[edit]

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nn musical artist, fails WP:BIOSwpb talk contribs 08:01, 1 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

  • Changing to Neutral. I can't find enough verifiable info to expand the article to even a reasonable stub. I've got his AMG bio, a couple press releases, and this article in the SF Chronicle, which briefly references him opening for Dan the Automator on a tour. That's a good thing, notability-wise, but I'm not sure that we should have an article on a modern artist if we can't find sourced info for stuff like his real name or year of birth. -Hit bull, win steak(Moo!) 21:33, 2 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was delete. - Mailer Diablo 00:41, 6 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Throw Your Neighborhood Up[edit]

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non-notable album — Swpb talk contribs 08:02, 1 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. - Mailer Diablo 00:41, 6 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Polar Ice Vodka[edit]

del a brand with no claims of notability. 08:41, 1 January 2007 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Mikkalai (talkcontribs)

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The result was delete all. - Mailer Diablo 00:42, 6 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

B'nai Elim[edit]

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Organisation and its leaders which fail notability criteria TewfikTalk 08:42, 1 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. - Mailer Diablo 00:43, 6 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Raheel Ramzanali[edit]

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Non-notable biography article. Some google hits on his blog and radio work. Does not cite sources to claims. Unable to find any reference or confirmation on the assertion that he was inducted into GQ hall of fame. Eqdoktor 09:22, 1 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was merge and redirect, although I couldn't see anything to merge. The history is still there if anyone else can see anything. Majorly (talk) 18:00, 6 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Nizami Gencevi[edit]

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Reason the page should be deleted

Creating deletion discussion page for Nizami Gencevi because an identical but more extensive article exists under Nezami Ganjavi. Parishan 09:31, 1 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. - Mailer Diablo 00:43, 6 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Nick Keesing[edit]

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Only 44 unique Google hits [6], suggesting he's not that much of a controversy in his country or internationally- claims to newspaper coverage are included, but are vague. CanadianCaesar Et tu, Brute? 09:43, 1 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. Majorly (talk) 18:06, 6 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Typophile[edit]

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Deleted once as dicdef plus a weblink,. now created as even more blatantly a puff for the website. Guy (Help!) 09:57, 1 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was no consensus. Majorly (talk) 18:08, 6 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Five Star Prison Cell[edit]

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I'm the first to admit that I'm no great judge of rock band notability, but this article has no third party coverage and little other indication that it meets WP:MUSIC. Sandstein 10:02, 1 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Comment, that might make his old band notable, but not this one. Lankiveil 08:30, 2 January 2007 (UTC).[reply]
Comment. Criterion 5 applies to bands members join before or after a notable act, and thus the notability of an old band does impact the notability of a band afterwards, unless you don't believe in the criterion. --Jackhorkheimer 20:20, 2 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Comment, I've had a look at "Frankenbok", and about all I could find was a spam-blighted messageboard, and the same scattered references and gig guide entries as this band. I'd go so far to say that Frankenbok wasn't a notable band either (and we don't have an article for it, if it was that notable, surely it would have been created before this article). Lankiveil 10:46, 3 January 2007 (UTC).[reply]
Comment, Reportedly the members of the band are close personal friends with Faultline Records founder and owner D.W Norton, whom awarded them with this MusicOz 'award'. Smells supremely fishy to me. Bobus Wang 14:21, 5 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Comment - Unless I'm mistaken Faultline Records is the sponsor of the award, not necessarily the decider--I'd assume MusicOz uses either a panel or ballot system, like most awards. But that did make me raise an eyebrow. --Jackhorkheimer 19:04, 5 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was KEEP. -Docg 01:02, 6 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

List of places named after people[edit]

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uninteresting, incomplete, potentially enormous... It may be tilting at windmills to try to get rid of this, but this list has such vague and sweeping criteria for inclusion that it could potentially grow to literally tens of thousands of entries, or more, and still be incomplete. And to what purpose? The result would be of mild interest, at best. I think this sort of thing is better served through categories. Brianyoumans 10:14, 1 January 2007 (UTC) Oh, and there are presently NO sources or references in the article. Not every town named "Washington" was named after George. --Brianyoumans 10:30, 1 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Note that as presently constructed the article includes not just cities, towns, and "administrative divisions" but also other named stuff: stadiums, train stations and even a section on "former airports". Brianyoumans 18:28, 1 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
P. S. George R. Stewart's Names on the Land was published in 1945 and is still in print, ISBN 093853002X. Dpbsmith (talk) 00:25, 4 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
You are assuming that this book, or any book on the same subject for that matter, is accessible to all wikipedia readers :-) Tintin (talk) 02:57, 4 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was delete. Unsourced material cannot be added to articles, and there was not a single reference, so it cannot be merged. Majorly (talk) 18:14, 6 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Dreep[edit]

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Non-notable game character. Contested prod. MER-C 11:17, 1 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was speedy delete.. Kungfu Adam (talk) 15:26, 1 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Comic TENMA[edit]

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Another non-notable magazine. This not-really-an-article-at-all (see difference over the last seventeen months, never even describes what the magazine actually is) has only the assertion that an iconic figures of manga (unreferenced, see Satoshi Urushihara, seems a little POV) draws the cover. Not really all that great an assertion of notability, given he's done a lot of that. To cap it all off, no reliable (multiple) third-party sources to fufill Wikipedia's policy of Verifiability. Daniel.Bryant T · C ] 12:06, 1 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was Deleted (A7). -- JLaTondre 15:00, 1 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Tremorworks LLC[edit]

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A company with no assertion of notability at all, as well as failing to have any independant third-party sources, let alone the multiple required to fufill WP:V. Daniel.Bryant T · C ] 12:24, 1 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was Keep by Moving to William Niven. Cbrown1023 18:54, 7 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

The Niven Tablets[edit]

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Fails verifiability WP:V; almost no Google hits [9]. The article claims they no longer exist. How do we know this, or the cited book, isn't a hoax? Akihabara 12:47, 1 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Sorry, I wasn't doubting the existence of the book. I was referring to its contents being a hoax. In other words, assume the book discusses the subject as claimed. What else do we have for verifiability? I don't see anything, so the article fails WP:V. Akihabara 17:27, 1 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Comment A Google search without the "" returns plenty of relevant hits [10], some of which may be reliable enough. One Night In Hackney 05:14, 7 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Good point. Looking through these doesn't convince me that the tablets should have an article, but it does persuade me that Niven would be an appropriate subject for an article- e.g. So, I could support the solution proposed by Dhartung and Bejnar below.--Kubigula (talk) 06:09, 7 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was delete. - Mailer Diablo 00:44, 6 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

The Rolling Stone Immortals[edit]

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Not notable [12]; we don't in general need articles on covers of magazines. Listcruft. Akihabara 13:13, 1 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. - Mailer Diablo 00:45, 6 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Electric universe (concept)[edit]

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Two years ago, this article was nominated for deletion, and no consensus was reached. The community has given enough time for supporters of keeping the article to make their additions and referencing to keep the article, but it is now more clear than ever that this article should be deleted on grounds of original research, non-notability, and it being impossible to reach standards required of verifiability and reliability. As another editor stated: "EU seems to be notable primarily in the minds of the advocates, and scientifically it is less notable than the sum of its parts."[13] Any information contained in the article that is relevant to uncontroversial science (e.g. descriptions of plasma, z-pinches, or electric discharge) is already present at the relevant articles. Here are the reasons for deletion of the rest of the content:

  1. The article is written mostly by supporters and advocates of the concept which is a definite conflict of interest
  2. There are only two people who currently publish ideas of the "electric universe" and both of those people (Scott and Thornhill) publish exclusively on the internet or vanity presses. Despite being ostensibly "scientific" the concept has received no peer review. This makes their ideas original research.
  3. The article includes very misleading original research amalgamations of various citations gleaned from mainstream sources in attempt to pass a veneer of respectability for the subject. This original research amalgamation includes using as "sources" papers written by Nobel laureate Hannes Alfven and descriptive links to NASA press releases. However, neither of these sources was/is aware let alone actually supported/supports the ideas of Thornhill and Scott.
  4. Contributors who support and advocate EU have falsely claimed that this subject has been subject to peer review research. In fact, every IEEE transaction paper the contributor listed to show evidence of "notability" is not about "electric universe" but rather about plasma cosmology (a different idea). Just recently, this charge was reinvorgated with the false claim that will be subject to a future peer-reviewed publication. This assertion also is in reference to plasma cosmology. As such the "electric universe" has no single paper subject to peer review about its ideas.
  5. For a fringe idea like this to be included in Wikipedia it has to have some recognition from the mainstream whether it be internet memes, the media, the scientific community, etc. In fact, there has been absolutely no verifiable nor reliable independent review of this idea since it is not notable. There is only one single piece of press that this idea ever received, and this piece of press is neither a notable nor a directly relevant example. The press was a single, non-notable article in Wired Magazine about an exchange on internet message boards between proponents of this idea and amateur space enthusiasts, obviously reporting of this sort violates Wikipedia's internet verifiability rules and reliability concerns. As such the subject fully and completely defies notability in the "media recognition" category as well.
  6. As stated by another editor: "As it is, the article has an alarming tendency to grow into a mat of poorly-connected references into holoscience.com and thunderbolts.info, and normal editing is impossible."

--ScienceApologist 13:40, 1 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Comment: Comments on the nomination redacted to the talkpage

Commentary moved to the Talk page. Please keep discussion there, this page is for the voting.

We've been talking about the criteria for notability for scientific theories over at a project page, and the question of how much press coverage is sufficient to make a theory notable. To me, a single mention -- in the context of "internet kook" news -- in Wired is insufficient really to make something notable, and the current criteria of "ongoing coverage" seems much more reasonable. In any case, do join the discussion over at that linked page on proposed criteria. Sdedeo (tips) 18:16, 1 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
It is extremely difficult to create such an article for a theory that isn't completely incoherent like Time Cube. In my experience, such an article can only be created when the supporters of the concept are either banned for some reason, or banned by the ArbCom from editing articles on the topic. Even then, a fundamental problem with writing that sort of article is that while the pseudoscientists write copious amounts, there generally are not enough people who care about the topic to write proper debunkings, and most reliable sources don't consider the subject pseudoscience in a verifiable manner, since they either don't care or have never heard of the topic. This seems to be the case here: there simply is not a large enough corpus of critical material to create an article that treats the subject from a popular culture point of view. I think this criteria might be a good measurement of whether an pseudotheory is notable from a popular culture perspective: if a pseudotheory is notable enough in the media, it must have reached enough people who care enough to write debunkings. --Philosophus T 19:34, 1 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • External sites appear to contain thorough debunkings, such as http://www.geocities.com/kingvegeta80/pseudoscience.html and New Scientist seemed to think the issue was controversial enough to accept for publication some sort of "Open letter" on the subject. If you search on "Electric Universe" via google right now, the first link you get is the holoscience.com pseudoscience site; Wikipedia is third in line. I'm troubled by the idea that someone might hear about the "theory" and then search for it, and only find these other sites, with Wikipedia silent on the issue. If we allow articles on Wikipedia about malware (destructive software programs) with warnings about them, isn't it helpful to have articles about pseudoscience (with appropriate warnings) so that people can quickly learn that that these are merely the ideas of a few vocal people on the fringe? I'd be willing to switch over to Delete if I can be persuaded that there truly is no interest in the media for debunking and/or commenting on this subject, but I am concerned about removing it purely on the basis that it is an incorrect/implausible/pseudoscientific theory when it could simply be described as such. Tarinth 20:11, 1 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • My suggestion here would be for you to start rewriting the article now from a popular culture perspective. The new article could be significantly shorter, so it shouldn't be so hard to do. There have been AfDs in the past which have gone from 95% of users being for deletion to being kept after such a rewrite. If you can rewrite the article to assert notability in the media, include proper criticism, exclude long passages purporting to be science, and cover the history and popularity of the pseudotheory, I believe you will find that most users here will change their votes. --Philosophus T 20:15, 1 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • For now I'm going to go with "delete without prejudice"; the subject isn't sufficiently interesting to me to work on a rewrite at this time, but I would not be against someone else creating an article that gave a critical treatment of it as an example of fringe-science in the future. It would also appear that an argument for notability based on media-attention to the subject is fairly tenuous. Tarinth 20:21, 1 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Wikipedia is not a crystal ball. The oppressed Galileos in whom you believe may yet change the world, but that is not for Wikipedia to accomodate. --ScienceApologist 23:53, 1 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
I suggest starting the article with the mainstream position: This theory is not regarded as having any scientific validity etc. etc. Then let the proponents have their say, briefly describing how their theory differs from others, and linking to their site. Its not reasonable to expect WP to give more space than that to a concept which is extremely non-conventional and lacking scientific notability. But that doesn't mean all mention of it should be expunged.
Keeping a brief article with a non-conventional warning at the top is helpful for anyone consulting WP to find out something reasonably reliable about the concept.
I think the concept of "Electric Universe" probably meets the proposed criteria 6 or 7 at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/WP:SCIENCE: "It is or was well known due to extensive press coverage, or due to being found within a notable work of fiction." and/or "It is or was believed to be true by a significant part of the general population, even if rejected by scientific authorities." since there are far too many (20,000) Google hits for http://www.google.com/search?q=%22Electric+Universe%22+Plasma for the concept to be regarded as not accepted or discussed by a significant number of people. (Unless it could be shown that most of this was generated by the concept's proponents.) Maybe it is a work of fiction, presented as scientific fact, with the intention of selling books, or gaining speaking engagements in the New Age scene. (Though if the books Amazon sales rank of >1,000,000 and http://www.fonerbooks.com/surfing.htm are to be believed, they are only selling a handful a year at Amazon.)
Overall, I think people who want to keep Wikipedia's science pages pure and completely uncluttered by even brief mention of challenging perspectives, including annoying lunacy, are swimming against the tide. The Internet is full of *stuff*. Human beliefs are messy. The best way to cope with contrary voices is to let them say a few words and give a link to their website - or link to a website where they are saying all they like. Pretending the voices don't exist, or that they WP is lofty enough to refuse to mention them at all, seems silly to me.
Good science isn't going to be harmed by clearly labelled links to sites which are radically at odds with mainstream thinking. I think narrow thinking and being caught in blinding paradigms are far greater problems for science. The delete, ban and ignore approach can entrench faulty paradigms, while maybe some of these apparently loony ideas carry the seeds of a much better paradigm.Robin Whittle 03:50, 2 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
I really think we need a higher bar than a single Wired article for notability. The question here is not whether the article is NPOV -- it may indeed be -- and shows the subject in the right light. The question is whether it is notable. Sdedeo (tips) 06:11, 2 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]


  • I fail to see how this argument addresses the concerns of this topic violating WP:OR and WP:N. --EMS | Talk 05:30, 4 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • I agree. WP is not for something you make up in school one day would apply to your argument (i.e., I can't theorize about a Quazaloo bird that has the legs of a man and plays soccer and then quote my own research on the bird to generate an article here to record my theory). While this article is a bit more substantial than my given example, it still does not reach much further to satisfy WP:OR or WP:N or WP:V. There are many scientifically unverified hypotheses and proposals in Wikipedia, but in each case, they are able to satisfy the tenets of WP...and if they can't, they'll end up here eventually. ju66l3r 16:47, 4 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was keep. Majorly (talk) 18:18, 6 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Pilot (The Nanny)[edit]

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This article should be deleted as it is an article of a single episode of a TV series - therefore (in my opinion) is notable enough to have an article on its own. The information contained within this article is quite similar to that of the actual The Nanny (TV series) article, with a few exceptions. It is my opinion that this article should be deleted, or have its contents summarised, and added to The Nanny (TV series) - creating a redirect. Chrisch 13:38, 1 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Should this be applied to The Nanny as well? Chrisch 12:30, 2 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was close it. It appears at least some of these have been nominated separately. — CharlotteWebb 03:35, 6 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Fictional characters by occupation[edit]

The articles listed below do not link to this discussion. --- RockMFR 17:22, 1 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

WITHDRAWN because most of the articles have now been listed separately here. Otto4711 23:57, 3 January 2007 (UTC) A mass nomination of all the articles currently housed under Category:Lists of fictional characters by occupation. In every case I think categories are the correct way to catalog this information (and in most every case it appears there is already a category for members of the fictional profession) and in a number of cases the information shouldn't be here to begin with on the basis of subjectivity/POV problems. All the concerns I expressed at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of fictional government agents apply here. Otto4711 13:47, 1 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

  • There are already categories for almost every one of these occupations. It's not a question of replacing one with the other. It's that a category is the better organizational scheme. As for the inclusion of the witch and vampire lists, you'll have to take that up with the person or persons who included them in the characters by occupation category. Otto4711 14:27, 1 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • The reason not to have both is that Wikipedia is not an indiscriminate collection of information and IMHO these lists are exactly that. You may disagree, but given your antipathy toward mass nominations I'd be willing to bet that you didn't review the actual lists themselves before weighing in. And as for not waiting for "the first discussion" to close being "bad form," I said clearly in Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of fictional heroes that I thought all the lists in the category needed to be examined. Otto4711 15:12, 1 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • characters by type is a common way to organize information, and honestly, I can't see anything in WP:NOT#IINFO that fits anyway. And in some of these cases, I'd say a list would be a better idea since not all of the names deserve an article. The content is another issue, and one that should be referred to with cleanup. And indeed, I won't say I've reviewed all of those items. You nominated over a dozens articles. If you want people to judge those lists on their own merits, then nominate them individually. I decline to participate in this discussion in any way except the nomination, which objects to the concept of it. I don't. If you want me to review them each, nominate them again later, on whatever other concept you believe is an issue. Just remember, AfD is not cleanup. FrozenPurpleCube 23:28, 1 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Comment I noticed that all of the AFD tags in the article are redlinks. That needs to be fixed or people reading the lists may have difficulty finding this AFD. I doubt everyone would read through the entire days list just to find it. --65.95.18.34 22:15, 1 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • Everyone who's making comments along the lines of "categories aren't lists" and "amazing how often categories and lists are confused" is missing the point of the nomination. Otto4711 02:51, 3 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • I think the point of the nomination is "I think categories are the correct way to catalog this information" since that's what the nomination says. And it is wrong. AndyJones 09:00, 3 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • Well there's that, plus there's, you know, the rest of the nomination. Otto4711 23:23, 3 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was delete. Majorly (talk) 18:26, 6 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Client/SOA[edit]

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Non-notable, original research, created and maintained almost entirely by one author with the recently stated aim, "to provide a focal point for discussion and definition of this term". Both Client-server and SOA are legitimate existing terms, but this combination of them purports to be a new and specific thing, about which this article is the main authority, and about which it is extremely prescriptive (see all the bold and uncited statements as to what this 'technology' must be in the article). See WP:NFT for example, and other discussion on the article's Talk page. Nigelj 14:15, 1 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Initially it appeared to me that the forward-slash in the name had messed up this nomination. If so, thanks to whoever rescued it. --Nigelj 14:18, 1 January 2007 (UTC) (modified Nigelj 20:05, 1 January 2007 (UTC))[reply]
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The result was delete. Majorly (talk) 18:22, 6 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

YHA Wastwater[edit]

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As per Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/YHA Saltburn, this article has no assertion of notability. —Psychonaut 14:13, 1 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Changing my vote because I think I just found a little notability [14]. Whether it is notable ENOUGH is really for the fans of YHA Wastwater (which, being "Wasdale Hall" is presumeably the "Wasdale Youth Hostel" referred to, in the case of the missing French Girl?) to research, not only on Google, but also in the local library and the archives of local papers. Be aware, that without more evidence and details of notability I could change my vote back just as quickly. --Zeraeph 17:11, 2 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

This is not true, it is a registered charity. 2)The hostel (and building in its own right) are both of considerable significance and as such demand a page entry of their own. 158.180.64.10 16:11, 5 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was KEEP. (due to lack of consensus to delete - redirecting and/or merging are options still open to editors as normal)-Docg 01:05, 6 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Saint Mary's Catholic School[edit]

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Non-notable primary school. Tarret 14:15, 1 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. Majorly (talk) 18:20, 6 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Soulcraft[edit]

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Apparently non-notable radio show. I think it's on a campus station. – ipso 14:46, 1 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Delete per WP:CORP (specifically: /products and services) --Anthonycfc 14:53, 1 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Delete per WP:NOT#SOAP Esurnir 01:01, 2 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Delete per WP:NFT. Ugh. skrshawk ( Talk | Contribs ) 04:28, 2 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was Delete Eluchil404 08:32, 6 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Southern Maine Guerilla Drive-in[edit]

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Nonnotable local movie event; contested speedy. NawlinWiki 14:53, 1 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I posted my defense on the discussion page. Essentially, I don't believe that it is non-notable. It's a significant local event that's the first of its kind in its area, and it is known about nation-wide for being so. Alex Peppe 22:54, 1 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was Keep. Cbrown1023 18:56, 7 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Chin mu kwan[edit]

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This article consists of an unsourced hagiography of the Grandmaster, a section of linkspam, and "to be continued." ➥the Epopt 14:57, 1 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

http://hometown.aol.com/hplichta/page3.html It needs rewriting anyway. --Bejnar 01:26, 2 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

  • I'm heading toward stubify on this one. Seems like a notable person who needs a better article. Tarinth 01:18, 2 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • Note: Chin Mu Kwan is not the person, although the article deals mostly with the person. Shimeru 21:12, 2 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I would say keep this. The history of Taekwon-do is shrouded in all kinds of mystery and needs clarification on a larger scale. This seems to do that. I admit that it needs to be rewritten but more importantly it needs to be finished. Chin Mu Kwan seems to be as important as any of the other taekwon-do organizations that are linked here. --Rasputin13 05:53, 2 January 2007 (UTC) There is great debate to the history of TKD. I have met some CTF members and they seem to be fairly true to the tenets but then it is just a sample. I say leave it under CTF as the organization and founder are one and the same to a certain extent. Adding to all the multiple histories of TKD can only help.[reply]

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The result was No consensus. Cbrown1023 19:28, 7 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Neo-fascism and religion[edit]

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Strange article, mixing completly disparate concepts with no NPOV common denominator. 'Fascism', is in modern political context almost exclusively used as a pejorative, and the common denominator of all tendencies mentioned in the article is that they have opponents that have branded them as such. --Soman 16:02, 1 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

  • Keep. It doesn't matter what people mean by the term. It matters whether or not the term is used. That, and not whether or not we agree, should be our compass here. I do not take issue with a rewrite, but absolutely do not delete it.Greyscale 04:06, 4 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • Re "conspicuous by their absence": Of course they're not mentioned in this particular article -- why would they be? They have nothing to do with the subject of the article. Ms Mussolini is mentioned in Neo-fascism, as one would expect. Cgingold 15:30, 2 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • Reply Maybe because they are among the most notable "neo-fascist" organisations currently around and the first term in this article's title is "neo-fascism". As far as I can see, this article doesn't even try to define that term. It mostly merely reports vague allegations that certain religious groups have some things in common with old-style fascism. --Folantin 16:57, 2 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Keep - I've had a day to reflect on this (rather than just jumping in and reflexively arguing against deletion). Judging from the comments I've read here, there seems to be a serious misunderstanding of what the article is actually about. People seem to have misconstrued the title. (Possibly it could be modified slightly, if that's the case.) If the title were, say, "Neo-fascist religious movements", then I could easily understand the objections -- in fact, I would almost certainly agree with them. But the actual title -- "Neo-fascism and religion" -- indicates that the purpose of the article is to discuss whatever connections there may be between those entities. It doesn't presume that all of the religions that are discussed in the article do, in fact, have neo-fascist elements. The whole point, as I see it, is to help readers sort out which, if any, of them really do have such elements.

My impression is that some of the people who are supporting deletion really just want the subject to go away, because they find it offensive. But whether anybody likes it or not, it's a fact that countless such assertions are made about one or another religion, sect, etc. To simply delete this article -- rather than improving it -- would be to pretend otherwise, and would be a real disservice to Wikipedia readers, depriving them of an opportunity to learn about such issues from a neutral source. This article has a number of serious editors who in my judgement are committed to the need for an evenhanded and impartial article. Whatever flaws there may be should be eliminated through the usual WP editorial process. Deletion is far too extreme a "remedy" -- in fact, it would just be a copout, taking the easy way out, instead of doing the work to improve the article. Cgingold 15:30, 2 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Reply "My impression is that some of the people who are supporting deletion really just want the subject to go away, because they find it offensive". Would you please avoid using ad hominem speculation like this and stick to the arguments people have made here. My objection is much the same as Soman's: this article is impossibly vague and disparate and has too much material where "neo-fascist" is used as a loose synonym for "totalitarian", "authoritarian" or even "theocratic". The bit that could be saved (the section which notes connections between genuine neo-fascists and neo-paganism) is unsourced. Get some references and save that and use it as a core to rebuild the article. --Folantin 17:38, 2 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment Lots of delete voters are saying this because it contains OR and POV material. However, surely the response to this would be to edit out the OR and POV material, rather than delete the page. The delete voters need to establish that there is no case for such an article, not that the article as it stands is not up to standard. BobFromBrockley 17:55, 4 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • Further comments - I think it's worth noting that, even while this Afd discussion has been taking place, three editors (Rumpelstiltskin223, Bobfrombrockley, and Dragomiloff) have engaged in serious editing and the addition of numerous references. The section re Hinduism is already much improved over where it was previously -- which is notable, because this Afd nomination seems to have been a direct outgrowth of the dispute that was going on with regard to that particular section. This ongoing progress bears out one of the central points I made above:
"This article has a number of serious editors who in my judgement are committed to the need for an evenhanded and impartial article. Whatever flaws there may be should be eliminated through the usual WP editorial process. Deletion is far too extreme a "remedy" -- in fact, it would just be a copout, taking the easy way out, instead of doing the work to improve the article."
Returning to another point I raised above, regarding the title of the article: I believe that the current title inadvertently raises certain expectations, on the part of some readers, in terms of the primary focus of the article, which is not so much on Neo-fascism itself, as it is on religions -- more correctly, religious movements -- which may have fascistic elements.
While it's certainly true that changing the title wouldn't eliminate all of the hard work that will still be needed to improve the article, I do think that we should give serious consideration to modifying the title to better reflect the subject/issues that the article is intended to address. Perhaps something along the lines of Fascistic currents in modern religious movements (or more completely, Claims of Fascistic currents in modern religious movements). No doubt that can be improved upon, but I think it does more accurately denote the intended focus of the article.
Cgingold 12:25, 6 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
comment - while i find each subject fascinating, and agree that much hard work has been put into this article, i simply find the link between the 2 to be arbitrary.The undertow 12:31, 6 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Comment - Hardly an arbitrary link if there are multiple peer review scholarly journals and chapters in academic books (and even entire books) on the subject.--Cberlet 17:22, 6 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
re:commentary - provide links, as i am willing to learn. The undertow 11:06, 7 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was Delete as a non-notable album from a non-notable group, WP:Music refers. (aeropagitica) 22:06, 6 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Shalsheles Junior[edit]

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I have listened to this album. It's got some nice music, but so do 10,000 other albums that have been booted off Wikipedia. It fails WP:MUSIC. Note that the antecedent group, Shalsheles, does not have an article. Note also that, in more than a full year, only a single user has worked on this article. It might just be an advertisement. YechielMan 16:30, 1 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Comment-shouldn't this be put on Jan 1 2007 afd noms, as it is now ample time to be the new year everywhere in the world? Chris 02:59, 2 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Done. Tevildo 04:45, 2 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was delete. Majorly (talk) 20:13, 6 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Palestine (artist)[edit]

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Fails WP:MUSIC and WP:V -Nv8200p talk 16:18, 1 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

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—The preceding unsigned comment was added by Majorly (talkcontribs) 20:15, 6 January 2007 (UTC).[reply]

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The result was delete. Majorly (talk) 20:16, 6 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Gertrude Peabody Residence Hall[edit]

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Non notable university residence, first para is from 2nd para of Temple_University#Residential_Halls, history is copy vio from here, remaining portions seem to be original research Delete KnightLago 16:50, 1 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. - Mailer Diablo 00:46, 6 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Jambog[edit]

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non-notable neologism OriginalJunglist 17:11, 1 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. - Mailer Diablo 00:46, 6 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Justin Samuel[edit]

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Non-notable biography, claims to be world renowned photographer but has no significant google hits. Does not cite any sources to back up any claims of notability. At best 6th place winner in a state photography competition Eqdoktor 17:58, 1 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. - Mailer Diablo 00:46, 6 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Global Research Program[edit]

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Not notable - just a class at a high school. Even if it's a notable school that's nothing special. RossPatterson 18:05, 1 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was Delete as a non-notable teacher, WP:BIO refers. (aeropagitica) 19:10, 6 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Melvin Maskin[edit]

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Not notable - just a teacher at a high school. Even if the school is notable, the teacher isn't automatically. RossPatterson 18:07, 1 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Tarinth 18:37, 1 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. Majorly (talk) 20:19, 6 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Central Ohio Film Critics Association[edit]

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Don't know if this is notable or not, though the article certainly doesn't provide context telling me who is in the association, why they are so important etc. Equally, I've no reason to suspect they're not notable and a few people have noted that they're not speedyable.

So consider this a good old fashioned nomination for discussion --Robdurbar 18:03, 1 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was Delete as a non-notable album. (aeropagitica) 19:08, 6 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Forward (album)[edit]

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Was on prod, now taking to AFD. Non-notable album released by an obscure independent label. I've merged the information to American Idol (Season 5) and Ayla Brown. I have nothing against Brown, and I'm sure it's a great CD, it's just that I don't think it's well-known or notable enough to publish an encyclopedic entry on it. I wouldn't want to encourage all indie acts to have all of their albums on the Wikipedia, because most of them don't. What makes this album more special than other indie albums? Pink moon 1287(email|talk|user) 18:09, 1 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was Delete as a non-notable Gloucestershire company, WP:CORP refers. (aeropagitica) 19:06, 6 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Ollie's Discos and Entertainment[edit]

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A non-notable disco company. Google returns 15 results. No mention of size of the company, value, employees, etc. Salad Days 18:30, 1 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was Transwikied to Wiktionary. (aeropagitica) 18:43, 6 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Negatory[edit]

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Contested prod, slang for "no". Delete or redirect to No. EdGl 18:28, 1 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was Delete as a non-notable website, WP:WEB refers. (aeropagitica) 18:33, 6 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Irantv[edit]

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Delete. The article is about a website that seems totally non-notable in all respects. Egil 18:40, 1 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was Delete as a non-notable student revue, WP:BIO refers. (aeropagitica) 18:31, 6 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

University of Queensland Law Revue[edit]

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This is essentially a law school musical organization that I believe fails the notability standards for organizations. Although some student-run revues can become notable by, for example, spawning famous comedy troupes (like Second City), not all student-run revues are notable. Please note that there seem to be several similar articles, and I'm pretty sure most law schools, and probably most undergrads, have some sort of similar show. One such article was discussed, with no consensus, here. TheOtherBob 19:08, 1 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was keep. — CharlotteWebb 03:37, 6 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Think of Me First as a Person[edit]

Tagged as A7, but contested. Some evidence of external coverage, but not a major film at all. Guy (Help!) 20:16, 1 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was Delete as a non-notable book, WP:BK refers. (aeropagitica) 18:28, 6 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

The War on Terrorism (Turning Points in World History)[edit]

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Tagged for speedy as spam, but might possibly be salvageable. Publisher is not a vanity press, seems to be a specialist educational press. No evidence this is a significant book or series. Guy (Help!) 20:19, 1 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. - Mailer Diablo 00:47, 6 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Swinesend School[edit]

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Contested speedy. OR spam for an unpublished book based on NN web content. No independent sources cited. -- IslaySolomon | talk 20:49, 1 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Delete. Google shows 10 hits, five of which are directly affiliated with the web site. Page offers no evidence of notability for the book, much less the school it's based on. The book is unranked on amazon. If the book becomes well-known after publication, then a page might be appropriate, but right now, it's pretty hard to see notability. -FisherQueen 21:02, 1 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. - Mailer Diablo 00:47, 6 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Iplay[edit]

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Origional Research Farside6 20:58, 1 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was Keep after the rewrite and inclusion of sources. (aeropagitica) 18:24, 6 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

OutlookSoft[edit]

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Spam; incoherent business-speak; unreferenced. Withdraw per proper references and rewrite. Salad Days 21:12, 1 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

  • If you are familiar with the company I suggest updating it with a couple of references to reliable sources (like the Inforworld article). Tarinth 21:38, 1 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was Delete Eluchil404 08:43, 6 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Ben Locker[edit]

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Co-author of an unpublished book, the article on which is also up for deletion. No evidence provided that this person meets WP:BIO. IslaySolomon | talk 21:25, 1 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

William dornan (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) -- IslaySolomon | talk 21:31, 1 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was Delete as a non-notable biography, WP:BIO refers. (aeropagitica) 18:09, 6 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Roland Rance[edit]

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Not notable; subject gets about 700 Ghits, most of which appear to be blogs. [21] RedRollerskate 21:33, 1 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was Delete as a non-notable website, WP:WEB refers. (aeropagitica) 18:07, 6 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Rouseindahouse[edit]

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Article was speedy deleted under A7 and recreated. No assertion of notability is made, fails WP:WEB, WP:RS and, WP:V. Should be deleted. RWR8189 21:42, 1 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was No consensus. Cbrown1023 19:31, 7 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Wii Linux Project[edit]

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A non-notable, incomplete project. Simply enough, something that may never be done and has little individual value. Possibly on the Wii and/or Linux pages. Scepia 21:44, 1 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Follow the spirit of the law, not the letter. Let's go write something about the Samsung 4420 HDTV because it was mentioned on Ars and Engadget, once each. Just a fake example, but the point stands. Scepia 04:08, 4 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
And we feel this is notable enough in spirit to include in the wiki. We have differeing opinions, I guess. -Ryanbomber 12:53, 4 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Terrible example, but Perpetual Motion machines don't exist, and yet there's an article on it. The nonexistance of something doesn't necessarily prevent a Wiki article being made about it. -Ryanbomber 05:07, 7 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was Redirected. Per policy, duplicate articles are merged, not deleted. The original content was also simply copied from Features new to Windows Vista (which is now the target article) on 2 october, so not much is lost. --Cpt. Morgan (Reinoutr) 12:02, 2 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Security and safety features new to Windows Vista[edit]

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Duplicate content from Features new to Windows Vista. Themodernizer 21:56, 1 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was keep. Can't sleep, clown will eat me 02:44, 7 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Digital Juice, Inc.[edit]

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Notability not asserted, advertising, NPOV issues. MidgleyDJ 21:58, 1 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Comment: After the speedy deletion was removed (the previous versions of this article were blatant advertising) I brought this article to AfD - In my opinion due course was followed. The article wasnt prod'ed - but there was no need for me to do that. MidgleyDJ 02:51, 2 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Per WP:AFD, "Before nominating a recently created article, please consider that many good articles started their Wikilife in pretty bad shape. Unless it is obviously a hopeless case, consider sharing your reservations with the article creator, mentioning your concerns on the article's discussion page, and/or adding a "cleanup" template, instead of bringing the article to AfD." As this doesn't at all look like a "hopless case", you completely ignored this particular guideline and nominated it for AfD in under 4 hours of the article's creation. --Oakshade 04:05, 2 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Per actually reading WP:AFD: ...please consider that... & ...case, consider sharing... I did not completely ignore it at all, I considered. This is not the place for this discussion, feel free to continue to discuss this on my talk page. Cheers MidgleyDJ 05:49, 2 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • The article now appears to have been improved and the reliable sources provided appear to support notability. Tarinth 13:23, 2 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • It isn't being speedied. This discussion will last at least five days. User:Zoe|(talk) 00:09, 2 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • FYI, it was being speedied (after this AfD strted, then I constested it) and that's what previous comments are referring to. --Oakshade 00:12, 2 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • Maybe I'm missing something but it doesn't appear to be blatant advertising; appears to contain only statements of fact without any puffery or pitchmanship. Tarinth 23:54, 1 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was Delete as a non-notable company, WP:CORP refers. (aeropagitica) 17:41, 6 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Legacy brown[edit]

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Notability isnt asserted. No reliable sources cited, non-neutral advertising material. If the notability cannot be asserted using reliable sources (and the NPOV corrected) prior to the end of the AfD it should probably be deleted. MidgleyDJ 22:03, 1 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was Keep. (aeropagitica) 17:32, 6 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Long Slow Distance[edit]

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This is not a notable article. Besides, training methods that were even more widely used (crash training, for example), were deleted on the grounds that they weren't notable articles. Farside6 22:13, 1 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was Speedy keep — reasons for nomination were invalid; nominator has withdrawn nomination; WP:SNOW. ➥the Epopt 21:15, 2 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

100-Hour Plan[edit]

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While these are admiral goals, they are goals for the future nonetheless. WP:NOT#CBALL, and from there "Individual scheduled or expected future events should only be included if the event is notable and almost certain to take place." While notable, these are goals of a political party, and thus not certain to take place. I would argue for either a Merge into a democratic party policy article or Delete KnightLago 22:12, 1 January 2007 (UTC) I withdraw my nomination, is now, or shortly will be a current event. So makes no sense to delete now. Keep. KnightLago 20:55, 2 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

While this may be the current policy, that doesn't mean it can't change tomorrow. KnightLago 00:14, 2 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Again from WP:NOT#CBALL, "future events should only be included if the event is notable and almost certain to take place. And it continues "appropriate future topics include 2008 U.S. presidential election, and 2012 Summer Olympics." Both examples are not even close to this article, and both are certain to take place. The events this article outlines are in no way certain to take place. There is too much room for change, the party could shift policy, it might lose a majority, or the president could veto. While these may be the current positions, they can, and will change. Thus the article is a crystal ball, unless merged, or changed. KnightLago 00:10, 2 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was Keep Eluchil404 09:08, 6 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Boston Park Plaza Hotel & Towers[edit]

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Contested Prod. I still think this article does not assert enough notability to be included. Delete. -- lucasbfr talk 22:18, 1 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was Delete as a non-notable group, WP:BIO refers. (aeropagitica) 17:28, 6 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Clave Rhythmz[edit]

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del. nonnotable latin dance company. `'mikka 22:29, 1 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was No consensus. Cbrown1023 19:37, 7 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

List of books in computational geometry[edit]

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Original research, who is to say these books are any better or worse than others in the field. WP is not Amazon.com! Steve (Slf67) talk 22:29, 1 January 2007 (UTC). Following the discussion I'll concur with Merge into respective articles --Steve (Slf67) talk 00:01, 6 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was Delete as a non-notable television programme. (aeropagitica) 17:20, 6 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

The Ebby Parts[edit]

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Appears to be a local (educational?) television show, if it exists at all. No Google hits that I can see, but I may be missing something so I bring it to the wider audience. Please note that Gilbertie's herb gardens has already been deleted, as the content was not relevant ("Harry is a cool guy", or something to that effect). The Ebby Parts was deleted before, but G4 does not apply to speedy deletions. -- nae'blis 23:01, 1 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was Delete as a non-notable organiation, WP:ORG refers. (aeropagitica) 17:15, 6 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Pink Therapy[edit]

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notability not asserted; reads like promotional material. Along with Dominic Davies article forms a small walled garden created by a single-purpose account. For GHits I have only been able to find amazon, wikipedia, own website, and publisher; nothing to satisfy WP:NOTABILITY.

Accordingly I add Dominic Davies to this nomination. Akihabara 12:39, 27 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was Delete as a non-notable biography, WP:BIO refers. (aeropagitica) 17:12, 6 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Adam burke[edit]

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Child actor who had a significant part in one film when he was 5 years old; nothing since. Would be an easy speedy a7 if not for the film role. I don't think it's enough. NawlinWiki 23:10, 1 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was Keep by Moving to List of Major League Baseball free agents 2006-2007. Cbrown1023 19:41, 7 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

List of Major League Baseball free agents[edit]

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Wikipedia is not a newspaper or Sports Illustrated. This is information which will have to be kept up to date as each player signs a contract, and, based on history, it's unlikely that this will occur. And once they're all signed, what happens to this article? User:Zoe|(talk) 23:16, 1 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. Can't sleep, clown will eat me 02:50, 7 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Effects of Christmas on the environment[edit]

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Complaints have been made that this is inherently POV, or that there is no need to single out a single day of the year for environmental coverage. Beland 23:18, 1 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I don't think that would have the same effect. If I want information on the subject, I don't want to have to look through Christmas, Christmas tree, Wrapping paper, Christmas lights, Winter holiday season, and so forth. If one needs the information, there's no need to have to find it scattered about several articles. Dark jedi requiem 00:28, 4 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
This could be a nice section in Winter holiday season. <3Clamster 03:04, 4 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was delete. —Cryptic 04:13, 7 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Harold Aspden[edit]

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Fails the (note: proposed) Wikipedia:Notability (academics) tests. Aspden's fringe ideas, which make up the bulk of this article, are not even known, let alone recognized as "expert" by independent sources. For non-experts reading this AfD, it's important to note that many of the claims made in the article (e.g., that he has debunked Einstein or is being oppressed by the mainstream scientific establishment) are simply silly. The "groundbreaking" ideas focused on by the article that make an implicit claim to notability appear to all be self-published on his webpage. Sdedeo (tips) 00:08, 2 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

This discussion has been added as a test case to the proposed guideline Wikipedia:Notability (science) Sdedeo (tips) 00:10, 2 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete - Aside from the author not being notable, the author's ideas (which feature prominately in the article) do not withstand the criteria outlined by WP:FRINGE or WP:SCI either. --ScienceApologist 00:11, 2 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep: I am one of the editors of the mentioned article Harold Aspden and this is my comment: redacted to talk
  • Very weak keep. His equation for the fine structure constant is referred to in several sources, mainly (probably solely) as an illustration of the problems caused by Eddington's application of numerology to physics. That being said, I see no compelling reason to keep this article. Tevildo 02:06, 2 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
    • His equation: Aspden, H., Eagles, D. M., Aether Theory and the Fine Structure Constant, Physics Letters, v. 41A, pp. 423-424 (1972): 108π(8/1843)(l/6) or 137.035915 predicted in 1972; in 2002 CODATA presents the measurement value of 137.03599911(46) !? Thanks --Utad3 02:09, 2 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
      • Indeed. It may be churlish of me to point it out, but the experimental results do, in fact, falsify his theory; but that's not really relevant to his notability. Tevildo 02:20, 2 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
    • Simply producing an incorrect prediction for the fine structure constant does not seem to be a sufficient criteria for notability -- there are thousands upon thousands of scientists who have worked on this problem. Sdedeo (tips) 02:25, 2 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep. Yet another attempt at removal of interesting content, and the article was just brought to attention, today, on the vote page for deletion of another article. Let's not forget that the arguments being used for removal of this content are only 'proposals', and not yet a guideline, and that these proposals are being created by the same people attempting to remove the content. -Ionized 02:23, 2 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
    • Can you give the criteria you are using to establish the subject's notability? Sdedeo (tips) 02:26, 2 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
    • Whilst the criteria for academics may be a proposal, our Wikipedia:Criteria for inclusion of biographies are not, and have been in regular use for many years. Similarly, our Wikipedia:No original research policy is not a proposal, either. Please explain how this person satisfies our criteria for the inclusion of biographies, and how xyr theories are not original research. Uncle G 04:07, 2 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
    • There are no agendas nor rules to remove content which may be interesting, just that where the subject is not notable. Just being interesting is not reason to retain an article. Ohconfucius 23:57, 6 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
      • Indeed you point out actual criteria which are not proposals. However, the first argument made for removal was based on proposals, along with WP:FRINGE, which are being contributed to from the nom and SA. What usually happens is that a not-so-valid reason is first given simply to get the ball rolling, and with time actual criteria are then accumulated. I will not waste my time explaining how the article satisfies actual criteria, because it is likely that either 1) even if it does, I wouldn't be able to convince anyone and my vote is one keep out of many deletes 2) it doesn't satisfy the actual criteria. My initial point remains valid, deletion of an article should not be based solely on proposed criteria, especially when the people who are defining the proposed criteria are the same ones attempting to delete the article. Now that actual criteria have been stated, I will remain silent if success is achieved, however I will not retract my Keep vote, as it still stands that the article was initially attacked without solid warrant. -Ionized 00:44, 3 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
If you are not going to explain why you think the subject is notable, you should probably not be in a discussion about whether the article is notable! Sdedeo (tips) 02:06, 3 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
As a holistic thinker, my personal notability criteria is far more lax than those of Wikipedia, and as such you would likely find any arguments I make concerning notability to be inapplicable here. As a Wikipedian, my contributions are bound by guidelines put forth by the founders and community, whether or not I agree with them from a scientific standpoint, and as such I have always stayed just within the boundaries of Wiki and cited my work as per the older guidelines. Indeed I do think that most, not all, topics concerning physics, whether mainstream or not, deserve mention. Many years ago on Wikipedia, I was under the impression that it is for the reader to decide what is noteworthy, that was the whole point of writing articles with NPOV intent. However it appears that over the years notability has been incorporated further into Wikipedia guidelines than it was in the past, and the recent Pseudoscience arbcom case and its subsequent outcomes demonstrate this. Wikipedia has changed over the years, notability has become far more strict, as evidenced by the current proposals being put forth to further restrict content to only orthodox views. In my opinion, it has gone too far, but that is just my opinion, hence not noteworthy per the standards.-Ionized 03:55, 3 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
my personal notability criteria is far more lax than those of Wikipedia --> Then you should try to affect consensus at notablity rather than circumventing the consensus standards as they are applied here. --ScienceApologist 04:37, 3 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
I appreciate that comment. But given the precedents and recent and past happenings here on Wikipedia, I very much feel that my attempts to affect notability standards would be a personal waste of time. However I am still considering at least giving my opinion on the matter at the associated discussion page concerning the newest proposed guidelines, and will perhaps do so soon. -Ionized 22:04, 3 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep. First, let me say that this sort of nomination on the spur of a moment is never a good idea. If the article contains inaccuracies, remove them. If the sources are unreliable, remove them. From an outsider's perspective, I see a pretty good article that asserts notability of the subject, with multiple sources. --- RockMFR 03:01, 2 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
    • Can you please point to what makes this subject notable? Sdedeo (tips) 03:08, 2 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
      • But I can and will clarify this point you raise about 'notability':

        The mentioned author of the biographical article is a known and notable British physicist in scientific community worldwide already for about half a century; it has published over one 100 scientific articles since 1951, many of them in peer-review journals (eg. 9 papers in @Physics Letters A since 1972; 24 papers in Europhysics Letters, former Lettere al Nuovo Cimento since 1975; etc.), has several Brithish and U.S. patents one of them under research since May 2006 supported by DARPA and the Aviation and Missile Command in the U.S. [29], has several earlier physics books since 1966 published and his work has been mentioned in several occasions in mainstream physics publications, for e.g.:

        • 1985: R. S. Van Dyck, Jr., F. L. Moore, D. L. Farnham and P. B. Schwinberg in Int. J. Mass Spectrometry and Ion Processes, 66, p. 327.
        • 1985: B. W. Petley in The Fundamental Constants and the Frontier of Measurement (National Physical Laboratory, UK).
        • 1996: Department of Electromagnetic Theory, Lund Institute of Technology, Sweden, in Longitudinal electrodynamic forces and their possible technological applications
        • 2005: University of Turku, Department of Physics, Finland & Royal Institute of Technology, Sweden, Two Extended New Approaches to Vacuum, Matter & Fields
        • 2006: The Journal of the Acoustical Society of America, Unconventional thermoacoustic heat engines
      • The editor who purposed the deletion, and a few others, are attempting to supress a valuable publication which carries data that goes against their beliefs: As editor Ionized mentioned the main biographical article Harold Aspden was just brought to attention, today, on the vote page for deletion of another article and a few editors have taken the abusive action of tagging both articles, Aspden's physics and cosmology book Creation: The Physical Truth and this one, for deletion. --Utad3 03:52, 2 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
        • This is a biographical article, about a person. That someone has written a lot of papers is not sufficient reason to have a biographical article. There must be things written about the person, not by the person, in order to support a biographical article. All of the citations in Harold Aspden#References are either not about Aspen, or are autobiographical, having been written by Aspen himself. The primary criterion in our Wikipedia:Criteria for inclusion of biographies requires that there be multiple non-trivial published works about Aspen written and published by people that are independent of him. Please cite some. Uncle G 04:19, 2 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
        • Ignoring your continuous accusations of bad faith -- the average scientist will be a coauthor on at least a hundred papers over the course of a career. My old advisor, who is mid-career and I love him but don't think he is "noteworthy" by wiki standards, has 163 peer-reviewed papers to his name; Rashid Sunyaev, a clearly notable scientist, wrote 731 [30] over his career. Sdedeo (tips) 04:48, 2 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • comment I do not think you are right there--it varies from subject to subject, but 100 true refereed papers is way more than the average. The average for a successful academic scientist in most subjects is one a year. Notability is not attained by multiplying minor papers. DGG 06:29, 2 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
At the risk of sounding aggressive and rude -- you are wrong, at least in physics, as is demonstrated by my evidence above (you are welcome to click Sunyaev's link -- those are all indeed "true" referreed papers.) Sdedeo (tips) 17:53, 2 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Oh, and I forgot the rule -- "kooks lie". I checked, and Aspden has forty referreed papers over the course of his career, the last in 1988 [31], not one hundred. Sdedeo (tips) 18:46, 2 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
I am not the deceiver or the lier here! All I have stated above was in good faith and the best accurate to my knowledge: Dr. Aspden published about 145 papers (not including books and patents) distributed through some of the most notable peer-review journals and in alternative non-mainstream journals (see [32])! In spite of all current technology and the intellectual advancement of the last century, You are doing here exactly what the middle ages dogmatic Church did toward the forefathers of Science (except the [physical] death penalty, that would be improper of our advanced society...). Goodbye. (Utad3) 22:07, 2 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Of course Wikipedia editors won't kill him - but he should watch out for particle physicists. On a more serious note, the Pseudoscience ArbCom decision precludes the use of "alternative non-mainstream journals" as sources for scientific topics. Also, I would recommend for your sake that you not make the stereotypical crackpot arguments like comparing us to the church in the middle ages. We've heard most of them before, many of them more creative than yours, and they will just make editors lose respect for you and view all of your arguments with distrust.
  • Delete - Ideas that have been "suppressed from the academic curricula" are almost always so suppressed with good reason. Wikipedia is not a soapbox, nor is it a place to right the wrongs in this world. --EMS | Talk 03:56, 2 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
    • Comment Plate tectonics was supressed for a long time. And Piltdown Man should now be up for deletion? We're not in charge of judging science, just reporting about things that our readers may come to us for information about. If Harold Aspden is a fringe scientists or even a quack, who gets over 10,000 hits from a google search, people are seeking information about him, and they should be able to come here for that information. KP Botany 21:50, 6 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete - Page has become nothing but a soapbox for fringe nutjobs who are subverting the neutrality principles of wikipedia to make the article massively unbalanced (on a personal note, does anyone get psycho vibes (martyr complex) from the way these people address you in Talk pages and such .... eeeeeeeee!). Jonathan Williams 04:24, 2 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
    • Comment Then edit the article. A bad article on Flower should be nominate for deletion because its bad? No, if the subject is noteworthy enough it belongs, I'm sure even Creation Science has an article. KP Botany 21:50, 6 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete per nom. FeloniousMonk 05:48, 2 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • rewrite from a NPOVThis is one of the most difficult cases in pseudoscience--when a scientist with definite conventional credentials in a subject adopts what would generally be considered highly unusual views. The "definite credentials" refers not only to his degrees, but to the journals where some of the work as been published, which are as reliable sources as can be imagined. But there are no references to the acceptance of the theory by any other scientist. The article with the greatest number of citations as shown in Web of Science is no.3, to which there are 23 citations. However 21 of those 23 are in later papers by Apsden himself, which is fairly clear evidence that nobody else thinks him worth citing, even to refute.

    In any case, the article as it stands is also wholly unacceptable. It assumes the truth of his theories, and--while admitting there are criticisms--goes on in a manner as if here were none. I think a NPOV article could be written, but he and his supporters would find it highly unsatisfactory, for the plain honest presentation of the material shows it not accepted. The edit history reveals that his supporters have resisted any critical comments. I can see no basis we can refuse to include an article. However I do not see how one could be written. I certainly would not attempt to do so against the expected reverts. DGG 06:29, 2 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

    • Comment Good point. Charles Darwin adopted some serious fringe views and nobody is nominating him for deletion. KP Botany 21:50, 6 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
    • If you can "see no basis we can refuse to include an article" on a theory that you yourself state has "no references to the acceptance of the theory by any other scientist" and that hasn't been addressed (even to refute it) by anyone, then I suggest that you refresh your memory of our Wikipedia:No original research policy. This is an encyclopaedia, not a library. We actually have a duty to exclude ideas that have not yet gained traction in the world outside of their creators and become part of the corpus of human knowledge. Uncle G 12:35, 2 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete per nom. Anomo 06:50, 2 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete per nom. POV, soapbox, OR, etc. Fan-1967 13:40, 2 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete, as nonsense or hoax. The claims made in the article are not believable. linas 16:35, 2 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete per nomination. Certain kinds of kookery merit a place on the Wikipedia, mostly because they become notorious enough that we can talk about them even though they flamboyantly contradict well-established facts. If this fellow's claims had the media presence of Richard Hoagland's Face-on-Mars fluff, then they might merit encycopaedia coverage. In my judgment, the Heim theory defense does not apply here, and the article should go. Anville 16:49, 2 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete per nom. Edison 17:35, 2 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete. The keep arguments are utterly unconvincing. If some aspect of his work is notable and can be written about, then an article on that is appropriate. Fails WP:PROF and his books don't cut it for him as an author. Mangojuicetalk 19:36, 2 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete as non-notable. HEL 20:20, 2 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete. I'm fond of cranks, but they have to be notable cranks (like Gene Ray) to be on Wikipedia. I've seen nothing that establishes notability here, so delete. Oh, who am I kidding? I'm a servant of the academic scientific community bent on SUPPRESSION of the truth! So my vote is strong suppress, and quantum salt. — coelacan talk — 03:17, 3 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete. There aren't proper sources per the Pseudoscience ArbCom decision to treat the topic as scientific, and there aren't enough media or popular sources to treat the topic as a popular pseudotheory. There are thousands of pseudotheories like this. --Philosophus T 18:27, 4 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • Strong Keep He's obviously generated a lot of publicity for himself, and has written a number of books--this isn't notable? Our readers deserve to be able to come here first for a neutral and accurate and verifiable article about him. KP Botany 21:50, 6 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • Weak keepNeutral: What matters not is whether his debunking of scientific theories is "accepted wisdom", after all, the earth was held to be flat unti somebody came along and proved otherwise. Einstein's theories are only theories, and even this great man could have got some of his calculations wrong. What concerns me is whether he fulfills WP:BIO. I am totally unimpressed by the arguments advanced by principal author of redacted to talk, which make it sound like some sort of conspiracy theory aginst the subject. Aspden's 333 unique Ghits are a pretty mixed bag, but among those are a number of wiki mirrors, book links, many blogs forum and personal website hits, but also a number of sites where he is directly involved in creating content; the other relevant hits indicates that he may indeed on the esoteric fringes of science, and may be below borderline notability. His book appear to languish in the upper two-millionsths per Amazon (with none appearing above 2.318 millionsths. However, 'Physics without Einstein' is kept in 13 UK libraries (not many universities amongst these), and 92 (mostly university) libraries in the US, so it would appear not to be completely non-notable. Ohconfucius 23:19, 6 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
    • opinion revised after review of Ghits. Ther are very few, if any, which are from reliable sources. Ohconfucius 23:57, 6 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
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