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Lucía Chacón Hechavarría

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There are about 50 people in the world who are older than her at any given time (see List of oldest living people), almost none of whom have Wikipedia articles. This is one of those articles that don't meet notability standards. Renerpho (talk) 13:52, 1 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Kevin McSheehan

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fails general notability guideline. the article creator also uploaded the lead image as an "own work", so seems to be an autobiography. ltb d l (talk) 10:40, 1 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete astroturfed COI trash from Wikipedia on general principle. The fact that the guy does not meet the notability standards is also concerning. jp×g 🗯️ 11:21, 1 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep: could probably use a rewrite, but there is coverage [1], [2] and this, but it's more of an interview [3]. Oaktree b (talk) 12:07, 1 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete he did two things, two, and the sources are a bunch of interviews about the first of those things. Not notable. win8x (talking | spying) 12:28, 1 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Annu Navani

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Fails WP:NACADEMIC or WP:GNG. Vanderwaalforces (talk) 10:05, 1 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Shafirul Azmi bin Suhaimi

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Fails GNG and CREATIVE. Only one RS in references, BEFORE has no further RS available. StartGrammarTime (talk) 06:39, 1 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Igor Sibaldi

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Being the author of numerous books alone does not make one notable. Indeed, this article has been tagged for notability for almost 14 years, and searching for independent sources failed to find any. GTrang (talk) 03:52, 1 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete per nom, it's been 14 years and it's still fails to satisfy WP:GNG Warm Regards, Miminity (talk) (contribs) 04:07, 1 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Mat Watson

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Similiar reason to nominate as this nomination - Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Harry Metcalfe (2nd nomination)

Sources are dubious at best - the Telegraph and Auto Trader source is about a TV show in some minor-league TV station that doesn't warrant notability. His recent presenting job in Carwow only warrant notability on its own page, not on this. Hobbyist sources such as autoevolution are dubious at best. Quality of that page is dubious at best. A check per WP:BEFORE do not show much any reliable sources at all. Also fails WP:JOURNALIST.

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Anukul Munshi

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Another non-notable "Mother of Pearl" artist, part of a walled garden of articles on the Munshi/Munsi family. Likely a UPE or COI creation. A BEFORE search returns nothing on this person, and I was unable to verify any of the claims nor the awards. Relies on one author's unverifiable writings on the Munsi/Munshi family that is used in all of these articles. Fails WP:GNG and WP:NARTIST. Netherzone (talk) 18:01, 31 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete. There are only two sources listed in references, and they appear to credit the same author, so there are not multiple sources here. They are also apparently offline sources that I am unable to find any record of, so I am not sure that they are independent or reliable or even exist. I have been unable to find any sources. Elspea756 (talk) 20:40, 31 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Maita Sanchez

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Fails WP:NPOL, WP:NACTRESS or WP:GNG. Nothing that satisfies WP:ANYBIO here. Vanderwaalforces (talk) 05:41, 31 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Mike Amato

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Non-notable person, not exactly a musician but involved in the music industry. Fails WP:GNG and WP:MUSICBIO. Binksternet (talk) 20:11, 30 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete: Unless this is the same person [4], which I doubt, there is no coverage of this tour manager to be found. The links used in the article appear to be either primary or for companies, so not RS. Oaktree b (talk) 20:15, 30 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Madlen Namro

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None of the sources on this page are helpful for notability. There is an extremely brief mention in a British newspaper article on a book she co-wrote and that's all I found while searching. Her one bluelinked work is non-notable and I have nominated it for deletion as well. PARAKANYAA (talk) 18:20, 30 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Comment looking through the very odd history of this page I think this might have been a COI creation, but I can't be sure. PARAKANYAA (talk) 18:23, 30 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Weak delete. No pl wiki interwiki. The publisher has a (not impressive) pl wiki article: pl:Wydawnictwo Anagram. I've never heard of her, and I am interested in Polish sf. I could not find reviews of her books, etc. - they seem to be rather unpopular. All I have for her is a single interview in reliable but regional Polish newspaper: Dziennik Łódzki. [5]. No awards, no critical coverage... I am afraid she fails WP:NBIO/WP:NWRITER/etc. --_{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here} 11:03, 31 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete per Piotrus' analysis. --SarekOfVulcan (talk) 12:49, 31 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Jasën Blu

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Nothing in this article makes the subject inherently notable, literally. Fails WP:NMUSICIAN or WP:GNG. The sources are run of the mill coverages and PRs for singles and so on. The few others that aren't PRs are promotional puff pieces. Vanderwaalforces (talk) 16:09, 30 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Tan Yinglan

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I know this is a shorter than normal re-nom window, but the most recent creator has been blocked and locked for UPE. None of the factors have changed and I'm hoping for more input and therefore resolution after the May no consensus. Star Mississippi 12:43, 30 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete: Sources appear to be passing mentions or non-independent/promotional coverage. Not seeing enough to meet WP:GNG. Hey man im josh (talk) 19:59, 30 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete - Fails WP:ANYBIO and WP:GNG. Recommending salting based on the SOCKing and UPE. --CNMall41 (talk) 20:10, 30 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete: The analysis presented last of of the sources from the IP editor clearly show this is not notable. Routine coverage or name drops don't help prove notability. I don't find anything we can use. Oaktree b (talk) 20:21, 30 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Andreas Waldetoft

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I did not find any secondary, significant coverage in a search for sources that would meet our notability guidelines. Clovermoss🍀 (talk) 02:35, 30 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Redirect - to Paradox Interactive. Plausible search term, very active in his respective company, but as the nom suggests, I'm not seeing proof of independent notability. Sergecross73 msg me 18:52, 31 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Luke Hellier

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Fails WP:NPOL and WP:GNG. Generally, just being a mayor doesn’t inherently makes Hellier notable, and no evidence of passing WP:ANYBIO or WP:GNG. Vanderwaalforces (talk) 17:54, 29 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Suicide of Aubreigh Wyatt

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Young Ms Wyatt's suicide is a tragedy, but outside of sensational coverage, it is not notable. The event has no long-term impact. WikiDan61^ChatMe!_ReadMe!! 17:44, 29 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete: I agree that a standalone article is not warranted; perhaps merge with Ocean Springs School District? –Skywatcher68 (talk) 19:31, 29 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Comment @Skywatcher68: Perhaps, but given the lightness of the OSSD article, I think any mention of this given case would give it WP:UNDUE weight within the overall context of the article. WikiDan61^ChatMe!_ReadMe!! 19:33, 29 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Delete. I agree with everything that WikiDan61 has said. The incident is not notable enough to have its own article, and to give coverage in the school district's article to this one incident out of the entire history of the school district would be grossly disproportionate. JBW (talk) 20:24, 29 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Delete per nom, this seems to be not notable enough for an article Warm Regards, Miminity (talk) (contribs) 13:01, 30 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

DO NOT DELETE: This article should actually be expanded on. This story has generated a grass roots movement in the social media world equal to that of Amber Rene Hagermanm (Amber Alert), Adam Walsh (Crime Stoppers), and more recently JonBenét Ramsey. These stories are a distinct sign of the times and mark the social change that is unfolding in real time across the country. This article will grow as this story unfolds over the next sever days maybe even years. Most notable is the 7/31 & 8/01 wear pink show of solidarity against bullying.

P.S. I'm the 5th person to weigh in on this in 24 hours. Obviously there is some interest in this story. 75.175.175.10 (talk) 23:01, 30 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The number of people weighing in on a deletion discussion is of less than no consequence to whether an article should be kept or not. Also, if the grassroots movement you claim exists, surely you can provide some sort of sourcing to back it up? Ham tech person 23:58, 30 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Michael Thomson (judge)

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WP:BLP of a judge, not properly sourced as passing inclusion criteria for judges. As always, judges are not all "inherently" notable just for existing, and have to be shown to pass WP:GNG on coverage and analysis about them and their work -- but the sole "source" shown here is a (deadlinked) press release self-published by his own employer, which is not a notability-clinching source, and absolutely no GNG-building sourcing has been shown at all. Bearcat (talk) 22:02, 28 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete I can find his name on legal documents, but nothing about him. I found it helps to add "Canada" to the search since his name is fairly common. Lamona (talk) 03:03, 31 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Bassem Fleifel

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Fails WP:NPROF, fails WP:BIO 🇺🇦 Fiddle^Timtrent Faddle^Talk to me 🇺🇦 22:05, 28 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete. Nothing found that would support a pass of WP:PROF or WP:AUTHOR. But there may be a language barrier in play, as most of what little is listed on his Google Scholar profile appears to be in Arabic [6], so if multiple reliably-published reviews of multiple books can be found (regardless of language) I could be persuaded to change my mind. —David Eppstein (talk) 22:29, 28 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Jordan Adika

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Doesn't meet WP:GNG or WP:NBIO. All secondary sources coverage is trivial and mentions him in passing in relation to his co-creators. AlexandraAVX (talk) 10:03, 28 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Iyke Nathan Uzorma

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If all of the unsourced claims of supernatural abilities were removed from this article, I'm not sure what would be left. Until recently, this was a redirect to a book but has become the focus of a single purpose editor. Counterfeit Purses (talk) 21:44, 26 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Biographical Information and Publications: Key details about his early life that are supported by verifiable sources such as books can be found online from Google Books. Geswith (talk) 23:19, 26 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Biographical Information and Publications: Key details about his early life that are supported by verifiable sources such as books can be found online from Google Books and credible news from Nigeria such as Punch newspapers. Geswith (talk) 23:22, 26 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Delete - A WP:BEFORE search does not reveal significant coverage in reliable sources. The current sourcing of the article is not enough to meet notability criteria for WP:GNG, WP:NACADEMIC, nor WP:NAUTHOR. The three book citations were all written by him, and about him and are self-published by Xlibris Corporation, not a reliable publisher. One source is a wikipedia mirror wiki (user submitted content) and the "All Christian Quotes" website is also user-submitted content. There is one possible reliable source (Punch) but that is not enough to pass WP standards for notability. The article is WP:PROMO and largely unsourced, it may contain original research or possibly be a COI creation. Netherzone (talk) 23:36, 26 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete: Completely fails WP:NAUTHOR and WP:BASIC. Haven't found a single independent source about him. A7 may apply here because I do not see a credible claim of significance. C F A 💬 23:52, 26 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
these are independent sources.
kindly check this one:
- Okeke, Chukwuemeka. (2018). Spiritual Leaders of Modern Africa. African Scholars Press. ISBN 978-978-12345-6-7.
  - Offers insights into the lives and influences of contemporary African spiritual leaders, including Iyke Nathan Uzorma. [Reference to specific pages: p. 102-110 for discussion on Uzorma’s influence.]
- Nwankwo, Stella. (2021). The Role of Charitable Works in Modern Christianity. Faith and Hope Publications. ISBN 978-987-65432-1-0.
  - Discusses Uzorma’s philanthropic efforts through Mercy Store House. [Reference to specific pages: p. 78-85 for information on his charity work.]
- Johnson, Elizabeth. (2019). Biographical Profiles of Notable Nigerian Figures. Lagos Publishing House. ISBN 978-978-43210-9-8.
  - Contains a biographical profile of Iyke Nathan Uzorma, including his early life and career. [Reference to specific pages: p. 56-65 for detailed biography.]
- Adeyemi, Solomon. (2022). Religious Transformations in Nigeria. West African Press. ISBN 978-978-87654-3-2.
  - Examines religious figures and transformations in Nigeria, including Uzorma’s role in the broader context. [Reference to specific pages: p. 90-100 for context on Uzorma’s religious journey.]
Geswith (talk) 23:53, 26 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Geswith: How do you know of Iyke Nathan Uzorma? C F A 💬 23:54, 26 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
i have been researching him for a long time. most of his claims have been substantiated by people all over the world. Geswith (talk) 23:58, 26 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Geswith, it seems from the portrait of him in the article - your "own work", that you do have some connection to him deeper than just researching him. Please explain. Netherzone (talk) 02:27, 27 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Geswith, I can't find any of those books in an online search. I tried searching by title, and by author and by ISBN number but came up cold. Could you please provide links so that they can be verified. Thank you. Netherzone (talk) 01:50, 27 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Netherzone: I don't think these are real books. Look at the ISBNs: "978-978-12345-6-7", "978-987-65432-1-0", "978-978-87654-3-2", "978-978-43210-9-8". I also can't find anything about their publishers. They look like hallucinations by ChatGPT or something similar. C F A 💬 01:55, 27 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I agree, @CFA, I could not find any of these publishing houses either. Do you think this is a hoax article or just a lot of AI hallucinations? Netherzone (talk) 01:58, 27 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Well, the person seems to exist, but I have no clue if the information is accurate or not because there are no references aside from the "books" above. I imagine the creator has some sort of conflict of interest and most of it is original research. Regardless, it is safe to say they are not notable. C F A 💬 02:04, 27 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
You mean you can't confirm his "encounters with what he describes as advanced extraterrestrial intelligences or angelic beings of light"? Counterfeit Purses (talk) 02:24, 27 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
sorry for the late response. i will definitely get you the proof you require. Geswith (talk) 05:48, 27 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete, obviously or per WP:V if I have to provide a rationale. I found this AfD through the academic deletion sorting list so I was curious how in particular he qualified as an academic. I find it interesting that the supposed "St Thomas-a-Becket University, Canterbury, England" that our article claims him to be a professor of has greater evidence of existing in Nigeria than in England. But I suppose that's far from the sketchiest part of this story. —David Eppstein (talk) 06:18, 27 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete - clear COI here and serious lack of notability. The two universities that he is supposedly associated with don't seem to exist outside of self-published sources about Uzorma himself. There is nothing here to justify a Wikipedia article. Spiderone^{(Talk to Spider)} 09:48, 27 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete. Not enough WP:SIGCOV from reliable sources to meet WP:GNG. The article is presently undergoing editing, only 1 source remains as of this time, punchng.com, which may be the only source that may have some claim to reliability. Prof.PMarini (talk) 10:27, 27 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Punch is listed as generally reliable in Wikipedia:WikiProject Nigeria/Nigerian sources but the article is essentially a long extended quote from the subject; it has no depth of coverage about the subject. —David Eppstein (talk) 18:33, 27 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete per Netherzone's reasoning. Best, GPL93 (talk) 16:34, 30 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Zhu Zhigeng

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WP:NOTGENEALOGY. No significant coverage in reliable sources. ~~ AirshipJungleman29 (talk) 16:50, 26 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Redirect to Prince of Qin (Ming dynasty), where he already has a blurb that substantially if not fully includes all the information currently in the article. This fella has no biography in Dictionary of Ming biography, 1368–1644, vol. 1 (he'd be around p. 294), nor indeed in 明史, where he is allotted a measly thirteen graphs (in 卷116), stating he succeeded to the Principality of Qin and died without heirs in Yongle 22. It's never a great sign when the sole source of an article is a Shilu, which are primary sources. There may be other specialist sources somewhere ("秦僖王" "永樂" might be my search strings if I were to look for some, which I'm far too tired to do at the moment). I'm not especially hopeful about the existence of more sources. Folly Mox (talk) 22:30, 26 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- I should say that in my experience, the Dictionary of Ming biography is rather picky, and no where near as comprehensive as the equivalent modern efforts for the Western and Eastern Han. But his absence outside of that is still telling. – Aza24 (talk) 21:37, 29 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  I agree it's a pretty selective source. I mentioned it because I checked, and upon reread agree that it looks like I'm arguing that the absence of an entry in Dictionary of Ming biography is evidence of non-notability, rather than non-evidence of notability. Sometimes my words are not good. Folly Mox (talk) 22:27, 29 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Redirect or delete – Per FM. Aza24 (talk) 21:37, 29 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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I can only find sources and content unduly taking about mastaba. If there should be ATD, then redirect. Safari Scribe^{Edits! Talk!} 12:43, 26 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Claudio Fernando de Aguiar

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Doesn't meet WP:GNG and WP:NPOL. Promotional also. Safari Scribe^{Edits! Talk!} 12:36, 26 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete. As a doctoral student he does not yet meet WP:PROF (how I found this AfD) and as a failed political candidate he does not meet WP:NPOL. We have no evidence of any other form of notability. —David Eppstein (talk) 18:30, 27 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete His UN award helps, but it's not enough to establish notability on its own. Doesn't pass GNG. BottleOfChocolateMilk (talk) 19:26, 27 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Zachary David

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Per WP:DEL#8: Doesn't meet GNG, WP:NSPORTS or WP:NMOTORSPORT. Nobody (talk) 07:35, 26 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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hi. how can we edit this to meet requirements? Thanks Zach David (talk) 15:12, 26 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete clearly non-notable, and obvious conflict of interest doesn't help. ~~ AirshipJungleman29 (talk) 16:56, 26 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete – As above. 5225_C (talk • contributions) 05:27, 28 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete – As above. SpacedFarmer (talk) 15:20, 29 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete - As above _Signed, Pichemist ^{( Contribs | Talk )} 09:12, 31 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete – Creating an account under your own name, editing just your article and quickly moving it to mainspace seems an ill-advised idea to say the least. Zach is a quick driver but clearly a case of WP:TOOSOON. Prose and sources aren't useful enough to draftify. MSport1005 (talk) 09:21, 31 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
noted with thanks! Zach David (talk) 01:29, 1 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Haz al-Din

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Subject fails WP:GNG. Most sources are links to social media sites (specifically YouTube and X) which aren't reliable. Also, COI issues are evident and possible self-promotion. CycloneYoris ^talk! 21:45, 25 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete Nearly all of the current references are social media links which are pretty useless for a WP:BLP. The only ref I could find is from the Guardian [7]. I haven't spent hours searching for WP:RS. I would suggest this person fails WP:N WP:SIGCOV or WP:BIO. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Knitsey (talk • contribs) 22:08, 25 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete - Obvious issues with notability, and the vast majority of the sources are directly from the subject's social media, and by no means are reliable. This article also suffers from clear political bias and MOS:PUFFERY (e.g. "He is renowned..."). The author also appears to be clearly invested in this topic and possess a conflict of interest. SociusMono1976 (talk) 23:00, 25 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
While this is somewhat separate from the content of this article (and therefore this should not be seen as a !vote), it's worth noting that this article was created by a user who repeatedly is seeking to recreate the page of a non-notable political party deleted at AfD, and has now instead pivoted to one about its founder (while again recreating the deleted one in two different new pages...).--Yaksar (let's chat) 23:16, 25 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete Page appears to have been created as an alternative workaround after other attempts to circumvent a page deleted at AfD were removed. That being said, I agree with the !votes above regarding the current sourcing (but am open to revising that pending different sources and after further research).--Yaksar (let's chat) 00:07, 26 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete: Best I can find are a mention here [8] and here [9]. Daily Kos isn't a RS, the ADL was up for discussion for reliability recently... Regardless, two mentions don't work for RS and what's used in the article is primary/social media. Nothing we can use to prove notability. Oaktree b (talk) 03:07, 26 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Delete: Notability is not a matter of what the person says about themselves, nor even what their friends say about them. Notability is a matter of what independent sources have to say.Gronk Oz (talk) 06:01, 26 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete: spectacularly fails N and GNG. Stanley Joseph Wilkins (talk) 06:13, 26 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Delete: per above. That subject doesn't have enough notability in different reliable sources.

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Delete - per proposer. The one source that isn't YouTube, X or the American Communist Party website doesn't even come close to being reliable. Furthermore, the creator of this article is suspected to be a sock of an editor p-blocked for repeatedly recreating the ACP article against consensus. MiasmaEternal☎ 03:31, 28 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Delete - per WP:SNOW. I also add that there are many such influencers who have gotten lots of clicks but no coverage in reliable sources. Bearian (talk) 03:12, 1 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Death of Haider

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Fails WP:LASTING and WP:PERSISTENCE (a search for sources turned up little to no coverage beyond the initial reporting when the boy sadly died); and so fails WP:NEVENT. The previous AfD ended in no-consensus; but I think there's little to doubt about the lack of persistence of coverage anymore now, over two years later. Java Hurricane 17:46, 25 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete per nom; also adding this quote from WP:EVENTCRIT: "Routine kinds of news events (including most crimes, accidents, deaths, celebrity or political news, "shock" news, stories lacking lasting value such as "water cooler stories," and viral phenomena) – whether or not tragic or widely reported at the time – are usually not notable unless something further gives them additional enduring significance." Astaire (talk) 20:53, 25 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete per reasons set out by the nominator. WWGB (talk) 07:40, 26 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete per NOTNEWS; didn't find any in-depth retrospective coverage or content on a search that would go beyond the routine news coverage of the event as it happened. Der Wohltemperierte Fuchs ^talk 17:11, 29 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete as per above. Edl-irishboy (talk) 21:35, 30 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete - per above. It’s tragic news, but not encyclopedic. Bearian (talk) 03:19, 1 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Domonique Ramirez

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WP:BLP1E applies here, as there is no coverage present for this subject outside of a brief and non-significant controversy from a minor beauty pageant. Let'srun (talk) 14:26, 24 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Athanasios Tsakalidis

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Article reads as a resume, or a professor bio than that of an encyclopedic article. I really question WP:GNG and WP:SIGCOV as there just aren't very many sources coming up for him. I am also rather leery that 70% of the 10 references currently existing on the page are of works he (co)wrote. I see that there was a split decision on the AFD back in 2006 for this page, and the page does not seem to have improved in quality since then. Longer, yes, but quality... hmm. We seem to still be in the same state of, and I'll quote Melaen from that AFD here, "Looks very unpolished, could be cleaned up extensively. Seems NN, but I could be wrong.". I'm all for keeping articles of scientists, but basic criteria such as GNG must be met, and I'm just not seeing potential at this time. Opening up this discussion in the hopes I am wrong, and IF notability could be met, to shine some light on a page that needs a real overhaul. Currently though my vote is Delete. Zinnober9 (talk) 05:53, 24 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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delete There is no notability. I've looked at the Greek-language sources and there's nothing beyond the trivial there either. An academic like millions of others. D.S. Lioness (talk) 17:36, 24 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Comment? Millions? How did you arrive at that figure? Nom seems to be unaware that WP:Prof may also be met. Subject has high GS citations, but in a very high cited field. Not sure. Xxanthippe (talk) 00:56, 26 July 2024 (UTC).[reply]
When I say there are millions of other academics, I mean that there's nothing special about his career that makes it stand out. If you could take a moment to clarify your position, it would be much appreciated. Now you're disrupting the consensus process just to disrupt it. D.S. Lioness (talk) 17:06, 26 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

It would be helpful to other editors if you were more precise in your use of language so that there is no need for further explanation. Xxanthippe (talk) 03:22, 27 July 2024 (UTC).[reply]

Week keep There's a decent case for a WP:PROF#C1 by way of a sufficiently strong citation profile. (Computer science is a comparatively high-citation field, but a fair amount of his publication record is from decades ago, meaning that it dates to an era when citation rates were lower overall and it has had more time to be indirectly influential.) However, there doesn't seem to be much to say. After a round of cleanup, the article doesn't besmirch the dignity of the encyclopedia with egregious promotionalism, but it doesn't appear that removing the article would leave a critical gap in our coverage of computer science. Overall, keeping it seems justifiable but not obligatory. XOR'easter (talk) 19:48, 26 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Weak Keep as above. Xxanthippe (talk) 22:33, 26 July 2024 (UTC).[reply]
Weak delete. The only case seems to be WP:PROF#C1 and the closer one looks the less impressive the record seems to be. His early work was in data structures (one of my primary areas of research); among his higher-cited publications he has coauthorship on a textbook by the much more notable Kurt Mehlhorn and one paper on the order-maintenance problem which is neither the first word on the subject (see Dietz STOC 1982) nor the last. It's hard to see much pattern in his more recent works except for a series of papers on using machine learning techniques in recruitment; compared to data structures, machine learning is a much higher citation subfield and his citation numbers in this area are ok but nothing special. He doesn't appear to have published at all since 2021. And although I suspect that the basic career milestones in the article could be sourced, almost none of it actually is adequately sourced. XOR'easter already removed a large chunk of "puffery, glurge, and inline external URLs" and I removed more, but it would need to be stubbed down much more if kept. —David Eppstein (talk) 01:55, 27 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete, per David Eppstein. For machine learning, I would expect higher citation numbers for satisfying WP:PROF#C1, and there does not appear to be evidence of passing WP:PROF on any other grounds. Nsk92 (talk) 14:44, 28 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Iikka Keränen

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Doesn't appear notable, redirect to Digital Eel? IgelRM (talk) 19:08, 21 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Redirect as above or to Doom modding#Commercial WADs. Doesn't meet WP:GNG. Tau Corvi (talk) 19:20, 22 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Redirect to Digital Eel. Both are good redirect targets but I prefer this one. --Mika1h (talk) 15:22, 30 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Miika Huttunen

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Doesn't appear notable, redirect to Pelaaja? IgelRM (talk) 19:01, 21 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Redirect to Pelaaja. Finnish version has some paywalled articles in reliable sources ([10], [11]) but I doubt they are significant coverage. --Mika1h (talk) 15:14, 30 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Abdulsalam Haykal

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Fails notability guidelines, and there are no reliable, independent sources to verify its notability. فيصل (talk) 16:57, 21 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Mohammed bin Musallam bin Ham al-Ameri

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Fails notability guidelines, and there are no reliable, independent sources to verify its notability. فيصل (talk) 16:50, 21 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep Notable as a member of the Federal National Council. Mccapra (talk) 21:35, 21 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Saleh Al Abdooli

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Fails notability guidelines, and there are no reliable, independent sources to verify its notability. فيصل (talk) 16:29, 21 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Pablo Lopez Luz

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WP:BLP of a photographer, not properly referenced as passing inclusion criteria for photographers.
This is trying for "notability because awards", but that doesn't just indiscriminately hand an automatic notability freebie to every winner of just any award that exists: an award has to itself be notable as an award before it can make its winners notable for winning it. So notability can only derive from awards that can be shown to pass WP:GNG -- that is, the source for the award claim has to be evidence that the media consider said award to be significant enough to report its winners as news, and cannot just be the award's own self-published primary source content about itself. But the award claims here are referenced to a primary source rather than a reliable one, and that's the only source in the entire article, to boot.
Since I can't read Spanish and don't have access to the kind of archived Mexican media coverage that it would take to improve this, I'm willing to withdraw this nomination if somebody with better access to such tools can find enough to salvage it, but nothing stated here is "inherently" notable enough to exempt him from having to have more than just a single primary source for referencing. Bearcat (talk) 14:14, 20 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Weak keep: some coverage of this person [12] and [13]. The first mostly gives a critical explanation of his work. Oaktree b (talk) 14:52, 20 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Amit Malviya

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Fails WP:NPOL, Till date he has not won any election, he is just the head of the IT cell of the ruling party, whose job is to spread fake news all day long. You can also read about his fake news here. Youknow? (talk) 15:42, 20 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Comment: The previous AfD you nominated was closed as Keep, as consensus determined he meets GNG. There is no need to meet NPOL if GNG is met. What is your opinion on this? GrabUp - Talk 15:53, 20 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Hey @Grabup, Thank you for your comment.
Most politicians who contest elections or are at least active in politics meet Wikipedia's general notability guidelines WP:GNG. Therefore, even if they fail to meet the specific criteria outlined in WP:NPOL they should still be considered for having Wikipedia articles.? What is your opinion on this? Youknow? (talk) 16:26, 20 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Youknowwhoistheman: Yes, NPOL is an additional criteria, and the General Notability Guideline (GNG) is the main or core guideline to establish notability. If a person or a subject meets any of additional criteria or GNG, then they will be considered notable. For example, let’s assume this politician does not meet GNG or NPOL, but he wrote some books that received reviews from multiple independent reliable sources. Then he will meet WP:AUTHOR, so the person will be treated as notable even if he fails GNG or NPOL. Hope this clears things up. GrabUp - Talk 16:40, 20 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Youknowwhoistheman: Hey do you agree that the person meets GNG? GrabUp - Talk 07:41, 21 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Sorry to say but your argument is not logical. According to this reasoning, Wikipedia should abolish its criteria for politicians (WP:NPOL). If everyone is to be judged by the same Wikipedia's general criteria (WP:GNG), then what is the need for having specific criteria? Because every local leader also passes the general criteria. Even a person who loses an election meets the general criteria in some way or another. So, should all of them also have a standalone Wikipedia article? Youknow? (talk) 11:52, 21 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Youknowwhoistheman: No, your thinking is wrong. During the general election in India, I saw nearly 50 articles about politicians that were deleted via AfD. Not every politician meets GNG, and not every politician meets NPOL. These criteria are necessary. Here are some examples of past AfDs.
Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Pratikur Rahaman

Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Emaan Singh Mann

Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Kriti Singh Debbarma

GrabUp - Talk 12:13, 21 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I can show you hundreds of such politicians who are passing the WP:BASIC, but are not on Wikipedia because they are not passing the WP:NPOL. Anyway, there is no point in arguing. Let the rest of the editors decide. Youknow? (talk) 12:36, 21 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep as below:

~~Delete~~ : Probably doesn't meet NPOL, but he doesn't seem to be a politician... He also doesn't meet FILM, but he's not a film, so the nom seems incorrect. In addition to the sources from last time, this [14] and this [15] show coverage, more than enough to meet notability, GNG in particular. Oaktree b (talk) 16:17, 20 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Oaktree b: Hey, I think you put the wrong vote. You said he meets GNG, so why did you vote Delete? Maybe it was a mistake? GrabUp - Talk 16:43, 20 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Yep, good catch. I wanted to !keep. Let me fix it. Oaktree b (talk) 16:50, 20 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Keep: Clearly meets GNG. It seems the nominator thought politicians must had to pass NPOL to establish notability, even if they pass GNG, which is incorrect. Notability will be established if any of the criteria are met. GrabUp - Talk 16:59, 20 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep: meets WP:GNG Madeforall1 (talk) 23:24, 20 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete there are many people who have numerous media sources writing about them but this doesn't makes them notable. The subject in this case seems to be affiliated to biggest political party of India and hence we can see good number of sources about them. However, most of them appears to be paid articles. I recall how one of my article Vikas Shakya was deleted despite having many sources. The reason sought was paid editorials being used as sources. Here, in this case, it is possible that we are witnessing same case. The person is clearly not fulfilling WP:NPOL as he has not been elected to even local level body and I doubt the sources used are free from bias.-Admantine123 (talk) 13:27, 21 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Admantine123, can you point out which articles are the paid ones, for the benefit of other editors? Or point out the ones that aren't paid, if that's easier. -- asilvering (talk) 01:01, 27 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Çomment WP:NPOL is *not* a guideline that can be failed, that is, if a subject does not satisfy the criteria it does not mean they are not notable for Wikipedia. NPOL is an inclusive measure, not exclusionary. NPOL sits separately from the GNG because it provides "presumed notability" - the idea being that a person elected to office is generally likely to have SIGCOV in reliable sources. FWIW, no comments to date have indicated why sourcing presently in the article does not satisfy the GNG. Regards, --Goldsztajn (talk) 00:27, 22 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep: he's a troll, but a notable one. Here's an article by AltNews on the disinformation he has spread on social media; an article by Business Standard on Malviya - Rediff has the unpaywalled version. Not to mention the Jansatta article cited in the article already. Sufficient material to cross the bar of WP:BASIC, all told. Java Hurricane 12:51, 28 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep: Meets WP:BASIC/GNG. Articles do not have to meet applicable subject-specific notability guidelines to be considered notable. GNG is the main guideline — generally, if any topic meets GNG, it is notable enough to have an article. SNGs were created to be able to bypass this requirement for some topics (e.g. academics and politicians) that editors have deemed should have encyclopedic articles regardless of coverage. C F A 💬 03:41, 29 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

De'Anyers family

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WP:NOTGENEALOGY. I don't think any reliable sources cited or available elsewhere provide significant coverage of the article subject, instead providing lots of tangential mentions that do not by themselves confer notability. ~~ AirshipJungleman29 (talk) 12:44, 17 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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This is not an accurrate statement, the sources listed are entirley comprehensive, I ask which ones precisely are 'tangential'.

Notability is sufficent as seen in the extensive sources primary and secondary. Starktoncollosal (talk) 08:21, 18 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I am happy to discuss which sources in particular do not provide significant coverage and see where we go from there, I am aware that there are yes a significant number of sources used which may convey this, however are consolidated by a number of reliable and imparital sources used in this article as well as other articles of a similar nature which cover landed families. Starktoncollosal (talk) 08:25, 18 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

proposing Keep, I have had a look through the source list comprehensivley and would very much like to discuss this and see if we can reach a consensus.at some point ? several main sources used for the article are all impartial and well known genealogical publications - Burkes, Ormerods, ect. The Battle Abbey Role by the Duchess of Cleveland published I believe in the 1890s covering the families on the scroll, also a book on a biography of the family. Other verified wikipedia pages exist for 3 members of the family listed on the page as well as others not mentioned (artists William Daniell and Thomas Daniell, and Thomas Daniel)

The issue is perhaps the interchangable use of De'Anyers and Daniell between sources however this I have found to be the historical case.. in looking to upload several Van Dyck portraits (Peter Daniell MP) and his sister and aunt I have found them to be listed as De'Anyers however it is the same family.

I am happy to explore and make any edits you may suggest ? (I wondered if perhaps some paragraphs could be slimmed down slightly). However based on pages existing for other identical landed families in Cheshire (several of whom intermarried and are included in the Daniell article) and based on historical significance, and the other reasons mentioned It has its place on wiki, and just needs fleshing out being comparativley newer, which I was activley working on :). Starktoncollosal (talk) 00:03, 23 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Which sources go into significant prose depth on the family? Keep in mind that genealogies and other directories are not SIGCOV. Coverage of individual members of the family does not count towards notability of the family. Primary sources and passing mentions do not count at all. JoelleJay (talk) 23:55, 23 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

source 6 - A Biography written on the family, and 1 certainly are the first to spring to mind. Can I ask the issue with primary sources coming from an academic writing background in early modern history i thought inclusion of these would bolster an articles notability and conslodiate its relevance ? I understand that for one or two members having pages not warranting a notability claim but surley the case can be made for, as seen in other noble families pages, members consistently throughout an extended time period having influence (as nobility did), - thus warranting notability ? Starktoncollosal (talk) 19:12, 24 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Starktoncollosal Source 6 was written in 1876. Source 1 was written in 1673! While I cannot access the latter, the former is essentially a family tree written out in prose. Significantly better sourcing is needed. ~~ AirshipJungleman29 (talk) 10:54, 28 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I see your point, could you suggest what kind of sources you are looking for ? I thought that the 1876 Biography was well sourced in its own bibliography however I do agree with you, in that case could we possibly reach a consensus that on basis of introducing a more thorough source that the article no longer be marked for deletion and instead voted keep.

look forward to your advise and what sources would be best, Stark Starktoncollosal (talk) 15:45, 28 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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I have in my files, x7 portraits of Daniell/De'Anyers mentioned in this article sourced online by Anthony Van Dyck, several by Sir Godfrey Kneller and Robert Walker also.

I see omitted from the article mention of John and Jane Daniell both slightly infamous writers with much information available online - John being from the Cheshire family and in the household of the Robert Devereux, Jane a gentlewoman to Frances Walsingham.. both of whom they later extorted and blackmailed. would be worth a mention.

The article overall has lots of sources in the bibliography and the information seems largely relevant however inclusion of a couple more consolidate ones is advised to bolster this,

However with somewhat consistent historical relevance over the generations since the 14th century in the north west also titleholders in France, it does appear that the family are of significant enough notability to retain and keep the page. Markievcks (talk) 17:28, 31 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

That is very interestimg are these available on Wikimedia ? Would be great to include these pictures. I have come across John and Jane Daniell and their respective manuscripts and will get a mention definitley somewhere at somepoint as well as the Normandy branch in some more detail.

could you review my reply above to previous ones regarding sources and what kind of one would bolster the article.

Hoping that this is resulting in a consensus starting to be reached ?? Starktoncollosal (talk) 14:30, 1 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Imre Vallyon

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I'm nominating this page for deletion again because the initial discussion lacked sufficient engagement and the sources provided were inadequate in both quality and quantity. There's a notable absence of substantial coverage of Imre Vallyon, his work, or his organisation in multiple reliable secondary sources. Meeting notability criteria typically requires presenting at least three such sources. The article from Stuff, while primarily focused on his legal issues, appears to be the only source that meets these criteria. Without it, the page is mostly information sourced by primary sources and a list of his self published books and ebooks.

In terms of Vallyon's notability as a writer, the two book reviews presented by Oaktree b in the previous discussion are clearly poor sources, as they seem to be paid content from freelance writers on unreliable websites. Additionally, Vallyon does not meet the criteria for notability as a criminal according to Wikipedia guidelines on crime perpetrators, despite the only significant coverage of him focusing on his legal issues. His organisation, FHL, does not seem to meet the notability standards either. Ynsfial (talk) 16:55, 12 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep has enough to meet WP:GNG. NealeWellington (talk) 10:13, 13 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Can you demonstrate how it has enough to meet WP:GNG?Ynsfial (talk) 15:20, 26 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Comment for Ynsfial - it seems pointless making multiple attempts to have this article deleted as the previous Afd covered the arguments in sufficient depth. I suggest you look at the deletion review process if you consider there is an issue. NealeWellington (talk) 10:13, 13 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
No, deletion review is the wrong avenue here. It was a no consensus close, and closed over 2 months ago. It is perfectly fine to bring it back for another look. Sirfurboy🏄 (talk) 13:59, 13 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Exactly. Thank you.Ynsfial (talk) 18:40, 19 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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’’’Keep’’’ He’s a convicted pedophile. Where’s the good in deleting this? Meets WP:GNG. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2A01:E0A:E9F:8340:51A7:F4CD:CE5C:4B8B (talk) 18:30, 20 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Can you demonstrate how it has enough to meet WP:GNG?Ynsfial (talk) 15:20, 26 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep as thin as it is, the media coverage in New Zealand and the Netherlands establishes WP:GNG in my opinion. David Palmer//cloventt ^(talk) 01:33, 22 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Strong keep. Looks like an attempt to delete the history to me. It happened before that talented people did crimes (Roman Polansky etc.) and encyclopedia must show the good and the bad. There had been "no consensus" discussion before and my position here is that the person is a notable author and notable criminal and convicted felon at the same time. Also, I see it as a strange attempt from another editor and I have COI concerns here. If the page stays, I suggest to monitor it carefully for any future attempts to delete the historical record.--Saul McGill (talk) 01:22, 23 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete Lacks WP:SIGCOV in multiple RS to meet WP:GNG. I don't think the Dutch NOS article mentioned above provides significant enough coverage. I'd say awards won aren't enough for notability, but this might be worth looking into further. @Saul McGill:, I don't see how he fulfills WP:PERPETRATOR or WP:AUTHOR. He fails all the criteria for both. Mooonswimmer 01:57, 26 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete: The key points to ponder include:

1. Is Vallyon notable as an author? Only a few reliable sources have covered Vallyon’s works. Thus, he is not notable under WP:GNG.

2. Is Vallyon a notable criminal? Vallyon also fails WP:PERPETRATOR. A criminal is only notable if the media in many countries have covered their crimes or if the crimes were historic or major. There has been coverage of his legal issues, but it may not be enough to meet these standards.

3. Is there reliable coverage? To strengthen the argument, we rely on you, the editors and contributors, to provide sources that can offer an in-depth study of Vallyon’s life and work or his crimes.

4. Is there community consensus? The ongoing debate and non-consensus closure of previous discussions highlight the urgency of a closer review of the sources and arguments, mainly regarding their differing viewpoints. Everyone's input is crucial in this process.

In short, the coverage does not explore his works or crimes. If the consensus favors retention due to his criminal history, the article must meet WP:BLP. It is our collective duty to ensure that it remains neutral and relies on proper sources.--AstridMitch (talk) 19:36, 26 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Note to closer: see concerns at ANI that the AFD !votes by AstridMitch, now blocked, are LLM-aided. Abecedare (talk) 20:17, 28 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

AstridMitch, I struggled to follow your logic, to be honest. For example, per WP:PERPETRATOR, his crimes were covered in New Zealand and Germany, which constitutes international media coverage. Additionally, he has followers and organized groups in many countries, indicating an impact that clearly extends beyond one region or even country. Moreover, the "no consensus" closure doesn't highlight any urgency as you incorrectly claimed. This is simply not true and there is no urgency here unless it may be urgent for you. Regarding the reliable coverage argument, I didn't understand your point. Overall, your comment resembles an emotional appeal to editors' collective consciousness (also beyond my logic in terms of Wikipedia's rules) rather than providing clear arguments.--50.46.167.81 (talk) 07:54, 27 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Keep

In addition to being a prolific and frequently published writer who meets WP:GNG, he is notable as a spiritual influencer or "cult leader" (arguably) with large groups of followers in several countries. He wouldn't have been covered by major media outlets in New Zealand and Europe if he were just a child molester. The point is that he was active as a philosopher and "school leader" who organized large international groups of followers, which then caught media attention. They described him as an influencer, a child molester, and a convicted felon. Therefore, I suggest adding "spiritual influencer" or "Spiritual teacher" to the definition, as supported by sources on his page. 50.46.167.81 (talk) 04:43, 27 July 2024 (UTC) Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Strictly Ballroom (band) (3rd nomination)[reply]

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Annu Navani

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Fails WP:NACADEMIC or WP:GNG. Vanderwaalforces (talk) 10:05, 1 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Douglas L. Fagerstrom

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Non-notable author and executive. Very few citations in other literature, even more obscure in news/media. PierceG (talk) 16:53, 30 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Richardt Strydom

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Fails WP:PHOTOGRAPHER. Looks like a lot of sources but sources 9-22 are primary sources merely confirming exhibition. LibStar (talk) 00:28, 30 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Weak delete. I found this through the academic deletion sorting list but for people with academic positions in the practice of art rather than its scholarship, WP:NARTIST is far more likely than WP:PROF as a notability criterion. He had a solo show at the Johannesburg Art Gallery, which does count for a lot for me (as the only thing in the article that stands out) but I think is not enough by itself. I'd like to see the same, or preferably inclusion in the permanent collection, at more than one major museum. Reliably published reviews of (multiple) shows would also contribute, if they can be turned up. —David Eppstein (talk) 17:37, 30 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Shipra Guha-Mukherjee

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Notability and significance issues Thewikizoomer (talk) 17:34, 29 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep. I think Fellow of the Indian Academy of Sciences and National Academy of Sciences, India passes WP:PROF#C3, and we have in-depth sourcing such as [16] (pp. 24–25). The WP:VAGUEWAVE given as a nomination statement does not even address the appropriate notability guideline, WP:PROF, and "significance" is not any kind of notability criterion. Incidentally, all sources I found spell her name "Sipra"; assuming this closes as keep, we should consider moving the article. —David Eppstein (talk) 20:04, 29 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Moved the article in advance, since the outcome seems clear. -- Michael Scott Asato Cuthbert (talk) 13:03, 30 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Keep, pointless nomination. Geschichte (talk) 21:44, 29 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep Passes WP:PROF#C3 at the very least. XOR'easter (talk) 21:36, 30 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Bassem Fleifel

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Fails WP:NPROF, fails WP:BIO 🇺🇦 Fiddle^Timtrent Faddle^Talk to me 🇺🇦 22:05, 28 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete. Nothing found that would support a pass of WP:PROF or WP:AUTHOR. But there may be a language barrier in play, as most of what little is listed on his Google Scholar profile appears to be in Arabic [17], so if multiple reliably-published reviews of multiple books can be found (regardless of language) I could be persuaded to change my mind. —David Eppstein (talk) 22:29, 28 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Chuck Garcia

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Promotional page for non-notable engineer and public speaker. I couldn't find any reliable sources via Google News or Newsbank Database (wider and deeper than Google). Fails WP:ANYBIO, WP:NPROF, WP:AUTHOR. Cabrils (talk) 00:15, 27 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete. Notability not apparent yet. Xxanthippe (talk) 06:26, 27 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete. The only thing in the article that looks like it could plausibly lead to notability is authorship of two books, The Moment That Defines Your Life and A Climb to the Top. But my searches of the web, news, and scholarly sources failed to find any reliably published reviews of either book, so I don't think he passes WP:AUTHOR. —David Eppstein (talk) 18:43, 27 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete for failing to meet any relevant notability standard and reeking of promotionalism. The second book was published through "Advantage Media Group", which ticks a lot of boxes for being a vanity press, starting with a "book publishing services" website full of "synergize your brand potentialities" language that makes me want to gouge out my eyes with a rusty spoon. Even a self-published book could contribute to notability if it were reliably reviewed, of course, but that is not the case here. Wikipedia is not LinkedIn. XOR'easter (talk) 22:19, 27 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete fails WP:GNG and WP:AUTHOR. Best, GPL93 (talk) 20:20, 29 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete Per everything that’s been said above. No indication of notability. Go4thProsper (talk) 22:57, 29 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete per above, I have nothing else to add. Svampesky (talk) 21:07, 30 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Iyke Nathan Uzorma

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Delete - A WP:BEFORE search does not reveal significant coverage in reliable sources. The current sourcing of the article is not enough to meet notability criteria for WP:GNG, WP:NACADEMIC, nor WP:NAUTHOR. The three book citations were all written by him, and about him and are self-published by Xlibris Corporation, not a reliable publisher. One source is a wikipedia mirror wiki (user submitted content) and the "All Christian Quotes" website is also user-submitted content. There is one possible reliable source (Punch) but that is not enough to pass WP standards for notability. The article is WP:PROMO and largely unsourced, it may contain original research or possibly be a COI creation. Netherzone (talk) 23:36, 26 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete: Completely fails WP:NAUTHOR and WP:BASIC. Haven't found a single independent source about him. A7 may apply here because I do not see a credible claim of significance. C F A 💬 23:52, 26 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
these are independent sources.
kindly check this one:
- Okeke, Chukwuemeka. (2018). Spiritual Leaders of Modern Africa. African Scholars Press. ISBN 978-978-12345-6-7.
  - Offers insights into the lives and influences of contemporary African spiritual leaders, including Iyke Nathan Uzorma. [Reference to specific pages: p. 102-110 for discussion on Uzorma’s influence.]
- Nwankwo, Stella. (2021). The Role of Charitable Works in Modern Christianity. Faith and Hope Publications. ISBN 978-987-65432-1-0.
  - Discusses Uzorma’s philanthropic efforts through Mercy Store House. [Reference to specific pages: p. 78-85 for information on his charity work.]
- Johnson, Elizabeth. (2019). Biographical Profiles of Notable Nigerian Figures. Lagos Publishing House. ISBN 978-978-43210-9-8.
  - Contains a biographical profile of Iyke Nathan Uzorma, including his early life and career. [Reference to specific pages: p. 56-65 for detailed biography.]
- Adeyemi, Solomon. (2022). Religious Transformations in Nigeria. West African Press. ISBN 978-978-87654-3-2.
  - Examines religious figures and transformations in Nigeria, including Uzorma’s role in the broader context. [Reference to specific pages: p. 90-100 for context on Uzorma’s religious journey.]
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@Geswith: How do you know of Iyke Nathan Uzorma? C F A 💬 23:54, 26 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
i have been researching him for a long time. most of his claims have been substantiated by people all over the world. Geswith (talk) 23:58, 26 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Geswith, it seems from the portrait of him in the article - your "own work", that you do have some connection to him deeper than just researching him. Please explain. Netherzone (talk) 02:27, 27 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Geswith, I can't find any of those books in an online search. I tried searching by title, and by author and by ISBN number but came up cold. Could you please provide links so that they can be verified. Thank you. Netherzone (talk) 01:50, 27 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Netherzone: I don't think these are real books. Look at the ISBNs: "978-978-12345-6-7", "978-987-65432-1-0", "978-978-87654-3-2", "978-978-43210-9-8". I also can't find anything about their publishers. They look like hallucinations by ChatGPT or something similar. C F A 💬 01:55, 27 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I agree, @CFA, I could not find any of these publishing houses either. Do you think this is a hoax article or just a lot of AI hallucinations? Netherzone (talk) 01:58, 27 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Well, the person seems to exist, but I have no clue if the information is accurate or not because there are no references aside from the "books" above. I imagine the creator has some sort of conflict of interest and most of it is original research. Regardless, it is safe to say they are not notable. C F A 💬 02:04, 27 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
You mean you can't confirm his "encounters with what he describes as advanced extraterrestrial intelligences or angelic beings of light"? Counterfeit Purses (talk) 02:24, 27 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
sorry for the late response. i will definitely get you the proof you require. Geswith (talk) 05:48, 27 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete, obviously or per WP:V if I have to provide a rationale. I found this AfD through the academic deletion sorting list so I was curious how in particular he qualified as an academic. I find it interesting that the supposed "St Thomas-a-Becket University, Canterbury, England" that our article claims him to be a professor of has greater evidence of existing in Nigeria than in England. But I suppose that's far from the sketchiest part of this story. —David Eppstein (talk) 06:18, 27 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete - clear COI here and serious lack of notability. The two universities that he is supposedly associated with don't seem to exist outside of self-published sources about Uzorma himself. There is nothing here to justify a Wikipedia article. Spiderone^{(Talk to Spider)} 09:48, 27 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete. Not enough WP:SIGCOV from reliable sources to meet WP:GNG. The article is presently undergoing editing, only 1 source remains as of this time, punchng.com, which may be the only source that may have some claim to reliability. Prof.PMarini (talk) 10:27, 27 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Punch is listed as generally reliable in Wikipedia:WikiProject Nigeria/Nigerian sources but the article is essentially a long extended quote from the subject; it has no depth of coverage about the subject. —David Eppstein (talk) 18:33, 27 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete per Netherzone's reasoning. Best, GPL93 (talk) 16:34, 30 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Claudio Fernando de Aguiar

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Doesn't meet WP:GNG and WP:NPOL. Promotional also. Safari Scribe^{Edits! Talk!} 12:36, 26 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete. As a doctoral student he does not yet meet WP:PROF (how I found this AfD) and as a failed political candidate he does not meet WP:NPOL. We have no evidence of any other form of notability. —David Eppstein (talk) 18:30, 27 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete His UN award helps, but it's not enough to establish notability on its own. Doesn't pass GNG. BottleOfChocolateMilk (talk) 19:26, 27 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Athanasios Tsakalidis

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delete There is no notability. I've looked at the Greek-language sources and there's nothing beyond the trivial there either. An academic like millions of others. D.S. Lioness (talk) 17:36, 24 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Comment? Millions? How did you arrive at that figure? Nom seems to be unaware that WP:Prof may also be met. Subject has high GS citations, but in a very high cited field. Not sure. Xxanthippe (talk) 00:56, 26 July 2024 (UTC).[reply]
When I say there are millions of other academics, I mean that there's nothing special about his career that makes it stand out. If you could take a moment to clarify your position, it would be much appreciated. Now you're disrupting the consensus process just to disrupt it. D.S. Lioness (talk) 17:06, 26 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

It would be helpful to other editors if you were more precise in your use of language so that there is no need for further explanation. Xxanthippe (talk) 03:22, 27 July 2024 (UTC).[reply]

Week keep There's a decent case for a WP:PROF#C1 by way of a sufficiently strong citation profile. (Computer science is a comparatively high-citation field, but a fair amount of his publication record is from decades ago, meaning that it dates to an era when citation rates were lower overall and it has had more time to be indirectly influential.) However, there doesn't seem to be much to say. After a round of cleanup, the article doesn't besmirch the dignity of the encyclopedia with egregious promotionalism, but it doesn't appear that removing the article would leave a critical gap in our coverage of computer science. Overall, keeping it seems justifiable but not obligatory. XOR'easter (talk) 19:48, 26 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Weak Keep as above. Xxanthippe (talk) 22:33, 26 July 2024 (UTC).[reply]
Weak delete. The only case seems to be WP:PROF#C1 and the closer one looks the less impressive the record seems to be. His early work was in data structures (one of my primary areas of research); among his higher-cited publications he has coauthorship on a textbook by the much more notable Kurt Mehlhorn and one paper on the order-maintenance problem which is neither the first word on the subject (see Dietz STOC 1982) nor the last. It's hard to see much pattern in his more recent works except for a series of papers on using machine learning techniques in recruitment; compared to data structures, machine learning is a much higher citation subfield and his citation numbers in this area are ok but nothing special. He doesn't appear to have published at all since 2021. And although I suspect that the basic career milestones in the article could be sourced, almost none of it actually is adequately sourced. XOR'easter already removed a large chunk of "puffery, glurge, and inline external URLs" and I removed more, but it would need to be stubbed down much more if kept. —David Eppstein (talk) 01:55, 27 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete, per David Eppstein. For machine learning, I would expect higher citation numbers for satisfying WP:PROF#C1, and there does not appear to be evidence of passing WP:PROF on any other grounds. Nsk92 (talk) 14:44, 28 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Pavlos Savvidis

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Academic with a decent publication record (h-factors 43) but no significant awards to verify peer recognition, and no significant coverage beyond a mention back in 2008. Tagged for notability in NPP; no action taken beyond an unexplained and unwarranted removal of notability tag. Does not pass any section of WP:NPROF, and there is no evidence that any other notabilities apply. Ldm1954 (talk) 17:01, 25 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep. Another scientist with high GS citations in a high-cited field. Passes WP:Prof#C1. Xxanthippe (talk) 02:49, 26 July 2024 (UTC).[reply]
@Xxanthippe, an 43 h-factor, 7726 total cites and 459 total in 2023 is definitely not high, particularly for a highly cited field, not close to passing WP:NPROF#C1. He has one highly cited paper from his PhD thesis, but not much else. In terms of his GS area of Condensed Matter Physics he comes in something like number 300 or lower. If he had been elected as an APS Fellow it would be different, but there is no such evidence of peer recognition. Ldm1954 (talk) 04:14, 26 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks. My vote is unchanged. Xxanthippe (talk) 04:22, 26 July 2024 (UTC).[reply]

Keep. I'm a little baffled by this afd, given the expert credentials of the nom. In Web-of-science, Savvidis shows >100 papers, ~2600 citations, and H=35 (goes to PROF 1). While it's true that semiconductors (one area of research) is a high citation field, what I find here is the usual gigantic variance in research metrics of WP BLPs working in this field. There are folks both much high and much lower, for example Herbert Kroemer (~700 papers, ~23,000 cites, H 90) and Janice Hudgings (31 papers, ~500 cites, H 11), as well as lots of BLPs having similar stats, like Cyril Hilsum (96 papers, ~1700 cites, H 20). On balance, I have the distinct impression that Savvidis has a research impact appreciably higher than the average professor in this field, suggesting PROF 1 is satisfied. 128.252.210.3 (talk) 17:30, 26 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Hudgings is a pass of PROF#C3 (Optica Fellow) and C5 (named professorship at a high-ranking university). Her case for C1 is more borderline. For Savvidis, though, it seems C1 is the only suitable criterion. So their cases are not really comparable. —David Eppstein (talk) 18:02, 26 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I agree with @David Eppstein. Just on citations Janice Hudgings would not pass, but her awards indicate major peer recognition so she sails through on WP:NPROF#3. Similarly Cyril Hilsum is NAE plus a stack of other major peer recognition awards, WP:NPROF#3 and perhaps also WP:NPROF#1b and WP:NPROF#2. For Pavlos Savvidis there is no peer recognition, and when I searched a little I also found nothing to mitigate the modest citations. You can look here for a comparison of him to others, which puts him as 57th in Crete. Ldm1954 (talk) 19:13, 26 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Very weak keep. I think the citation record is strong enough but I'm having trouble verifying anything else to say about him that is not just a repetition of his potted biography on his own personal web sites. —David Eppstein (talk) 18:19, 27 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Actors and filmmakers

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Paul Gutrecht

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fails general notability guideline. ltb d l (talk) 08:05, 1 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Sophia Jawad

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Doesnt meet GNG, probable vanity page, all but one source are either IMDB (non-RS) and her Youtube Nswix (talk) 20:25, 31 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete: This press release is all I can find [18] and it seems unlikely to be the same person... Regardless, the sourcing used in the article isn't adequate. Imdb is not a RS. I can't find any sourcing we can use. Oaktree b (talk) 23:13, 31 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete Signally fails WP:GNG. Even in Arabic, I could only find a single interview piece in Al Etihad back in 2010. Best Alexandermcnabb (talk) 05:35, 1 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Pradeep Kumar (producer)

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Doesn't meet WP:GNG and WP:NPERSON. M S Hassan (talk | contributions) 06:44, 31 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep there is a lot of news story talking about the guy on Google News Warm Regards, Miminity (talk) (contribs) 13:01, 31 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Sudeepa Singh

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Fails WP:GNG and WP:NACTOR. M S Hassan (talk | contributions) 06:48, 31 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep: meets WP:NACTOR with at least 2 significant roles in notable productions. -My, oh my! (Mushy Yank) 20:06, 31 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Her only notable role is in Baalveer, rest are recurring/guest roles. M S Hassan (talk | contributions) 06:21, 1 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
No. Her role in Action Replayy is also significant. -My, oh my! (Mushy Yank) 10:07, 1 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Ankit Menon

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Not yet notable per WP:MUSICBIO or WP:FILMMAKER. He's written and sung songs for what appear to be notable films, but on Wikipedia notability is not inherited. I can't find significant coverage of him in reliable, secondary English or Malayalam sources (അങ്കിത് മേനോൻ). The best coverage of him I could find in a RS was in Malayala Manorama: this interview (primary source) and this article about his music for a film. The rest is passing mentions. Possibly WP:TOOSOON. Wikishovel (talk) 08:59, 31 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Maita Sanchez

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Fails WP:NPOL, WP:NACTRESS or WP:GNG. Nothing that satisfies WP:ANYBIO here. Vanderwaalforces (talk) 05:41, 31 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Darby Lloyd Rains

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16 years ago when this was first nominated it was allowed on a technical sng pass and someone noted it needed sourcing. Well 16 years later it's entirely bereft of a reliable source and pornbio has been consigned to the ranks of deprecated guidelines. Fails gng and ent. Spartaz ^Humbug! 18:36, 30 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep: Meets WP:NACTOR with at least three significant roles in notable films. -My, oh my! (Mushy Yank) 19:14, 31 July 2024 (UTC) (Added a few sources, more sources exist).[reply]
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Malcolm Collett

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Fails WP:GNG. Mostly self-authored by the subject (User:Ideation269), who acknowledges himself on the talk page that most of this information is unverifiable. Whatever sources are provided are routine, and not independent sigcov. Jdcooper (talk) 02:58, 30 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Reshma Pathan

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Notability issues Thewikizoomer (talk) 17:31, 29 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep, no issues needing deletion have been identified. Geschichte (talk) 21:44, 29 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep: Sources seem to show she meets the general requirements for notability, so that deletion is not necessary, in my view. -My, oh my! (Mushy Yank) 14:07, 1 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Alexis Tomassian

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nonnotable voice actor - Altenmann >talk 03:43, 29 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Comment: I'm trying to evaluate WP:ENT, but Alexis Tomassian § Filmography is pretty misleading; for instance, Tomassian did not voice Zuko in A:TLA, but rather in its French dub. The best I can find so far is voicing the main characters of Martin Mystery and The Podcats, and the latter's notability is questionable. jlwoodwa (talk) 06:17, 29 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
He also voiced Samson in Calamity, a Childhood of Martha Jane Cannary; he's listed as the third star, and a review describes Samson as the plot's initial catalyst. That looks like a significant role to me. jlwoodwa (talk) 18:38, 29 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Not a significant coverage of Tomassian. In fact, not a mum about him. Notability not inherited - Altenmann >talk 18:43, 29 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I'll paraphrase the part of WP:ENT that applies here: An actor or voice actor may be considered notable if they have had significant roles in multiple notable films or television shows. That's from a subject-specific notability guideline. "Significant coverage" has nothing to do with that – it's only in WP:GNG. I also don't see your point with WP:INHERIT – that section names SNGs as a case where notability can be inherited. jlwoodwa (talk) 22:05, 29 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I see, thanks for clarification. Still, I fail to see "initial catalyst" is "significant role": Samson is covered in a single sentence. If a role is significant, surely it deserves more than that. About INHERIT, thanks again, I stand corrected. - Altenmann >talk 22:13, 29 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
The review's pretty sparse on plot in general, and Samson's one sentence is more than any other (non-main) character gets. Calamity, a Childhood of Martha Jane Cannary § Plot goes into more detail, and he's mentioned in 9 sentences there (mostly as "the soldier", but that's unambiguous). jlwoodwa (talk) 23:08, 29 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Sorry to be obnoxious, but one needs an independent source that describes character's role as "significant" or similar, otherwise it is Wikipedian's opinion/original research. In the case of Calamity, I inclined to believe, because imdb say "starring Salomé Boulven Alexandra Lamy Alexis Tomassian", implying these are major roles, but unfortunately imdb is not a valid ref for wikipedia. OK. I'm done being obnoxious here. :-) - Altenmann >talk 23:41, 29 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I agree that notability needs to be based on reliable sources, but we're never going to get a reliable source to directly support a claim that "this subject is wikinotable". That's probably why WP:NOR's lead says it doesn't apply to deletion discussions. jlwoodwa (talk) 06:28, 30 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Red herring. Strawman. Muddy waters. Don't give it to me. We need a source which supports our requirement for notability. In this case we need sources which imply that the actor had "significant roles in multiple notable films or television shows". And this must acceptable for the article, not for AfD bickering. - Altenmann >talk 07:43, 30 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
What are you talking about? It's not a red herring. WP:NOR literally states that This policy does not apply to talk pages and other pages which evaluate article content and sources, such as deletion discussions or policy noticeboards. Can you explain why you think we need those particular sources, given that WP:NOR does not apply? jlwoodwa (talk) 09:02, 30 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Nonsense. You cannot base article content on non-reliable sources. Just the same, you cannot judge subject notability basing on self-published sources. Are you seriously telling me that if actor's mom says that her boy is the greatest actor, then we write a Wikipedia article about him? AfD discussions routinely judge sources, and WP:NOR has nothing to do with this. - Altenmann >talk 16:21, 30 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I am not telling you that. I don't know why you'd think I'm telling you that. As I said before, I agree that notability needs to be based on reliable sources. I'm only objecting to your statement that one needs an independent source that describes character's role as "significant" or similar, otherwise it is Wikipedian's opinion/original research. jlwoodwa (talk) 19:47, 30 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I am not objecting that a certain degree of "original research" is necessary in AfD discussions: of course, judging sources is kinda "original research", but this kind of Wikipedian's opinion about sources is everywhere in Wikipedia, and it is not really original research. I see we are in the same page here, so never mind. - Altenmann >talk 20:13, 30 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks to Donaldd23's improvements, Zombillenium now looks notable, and a review describes Steven (Tomassian's character) for three sentences. jlwoodwa (talk) 23:29, 29 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Robin Davey

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None of the sources presently used establish notability (either due to not saying much about Davey, or not being RS, or not being independent), and I wasn't able to find significant coverage of Robin Davey in reliable sources, only mentions. There also seems to be COI editing in the history of the article, such as edits from User:Growvision01. toweli (talk) 13:47, 28 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Redirect to The Canary Effect. This file seems to be his greatest accomplishment, but I do not find sufficient sources about him to support an article. I agree with NOM that the sources in the article are very weak, and I didn't find anything better. Note that there are other Robin Davey's who show up in a search, mainly one who is an animator based in Berlin. I'm pretty sure that is a different person but I couldn't prove it. Lamona (talk) 04:06, 31 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Greta Valenti

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None of the sources presently used establish independent notability (either due to not saying much about Valenti, or not being RS, or not being independent), and I wasn't able to find significant coverage of Greta Valenti in reliable sources, only mentions. There also seems to be COI editing in the history of the article. toweli (talk) 15:51, 28 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Carla Guevara Laforteza

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Very highly advertorialized ("known for being one of the most fearless and versatile Premiere Leading Ladies", "She enjoys watching movies, baking, and absolutely enjoys Cake, Fried Chicken and Pizza", etc.) WP:BLP of an actress and musician not properly sourced as passing inclusion criteria for actresses or musicians. There are statements here that would be valid notability claims if they were referenced properly, but nothing so "inherently" notable as to exempt her from having to cite proper sources just because of what the article asserts -- but this was "sourced" almost entirely to IMDB pages, Wikidata items and other Wikipedia articles, none of which are acceptable or notability-supporting sources, and after stripping those out all that's left is three short blurbs that aren't substantive enough to get her over WP:GNG all by themselves if they're the best she can do for proper third party coverage.
I'm willing to withdraw this if somebody with much more knowledge about Philippine musical theatre than I've got can rewrite it neutrally and source it properly, but it can't be kept in this state of writing tone and sourcing. Bearcat (talk) 13:58, 28 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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thanks for your comment, we are now currently working with the revisions of the article, the person in this article is also involve now in the revision. Thank you. Jhenie1326 (talk) 17:46, 28 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Please familiarize yourself with our conflict of interest rules, because "the person in this article is also involve now in the revision" is the worst thing you could possibly have said here. Bearcat (talk) 18:27, 28 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

thanks just for the verification of the information, however the info is now being updated as per the article published by the news or legal website, please be patient.. thank you for your help. Jhenie1326 (talk) 18:55, 28 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Delete or Draftify. I went through the references, which were inconsistent in formating, and reformatted many of them. I also checked to see if the refs support the information. They do not support the Education and Personal Life section. I also do not see indepth sources; most are brief "fluffy" bits. As it looks like this article is recent and is still being worked on, draftify may be the best solution. Lamona (talk) 03:46, 31 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Bonnie Holiday

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Fails GNG and ENT. The claim to fame is that she appeared in a documentary about porn but isnt mentioned on the playbill for the film nor is she name checked in the Roger Ebert review of the film. Even if being un-named in a review and uncredited in the film counts, thats 1E territory. No objection to this being redirected to the film if deleted. Spartaz ^Humbug! 15:56, 27 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete: No WP:RS available, also a blatant copyvio of [19], that is copyrighted and may be user-generated. — Alien333 (what I did & why I did it wrong) 18:16, 27 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete: Even a name search doesn't bring up much of anything, let alone anything about this person. It's been tagged since 2016, I'd expect some sources to have turned up in the almost 10 yrs since; nothing has, so this likely isn't notable. Oaktree b (talk) 18:31, 27 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Delete highly dependent on a Single source and per Oaktree and Alien333, there is no WP:RS available to search for notablity Warm Regards, Miminity (talk) (contribs) 00:00, 28 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Manu Intiraymi

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Not sure this person passes WP:NACTOR, mostly minor roles. Can't find any reliable sources discussing them apart from the cited nytimes source which isn't specifically about Intiraymi, but mentions him in passing in 3 paragraphs of a rather long piece about the state of the entertainment industry in LA in the late 1990s. Other sources I have been able to find are Star Trek fansites, which I wouldn't consider significant coverage. Hemiauchenia (talk) 00:08, 27 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete — Re WP:NACTOR, this subject has played a significant role in Star Trek: Voyager. But I am not finding that his role in One Tree Hill (TV series) was very significant. And it would take one or two more solid ones to find that he did so in multiple productions. The subject also fails WP:ANYBIO for lack of in-depth biographical coverage by unrelated parties. JFHJr (㊟) 00:23, 27 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete per nom, but also JFHjr, who touches on ANYBIO. I think this is a fundamental fail. Perhaps when their career trajectory continues in the way they want it, it'll be different. Not quite now though. ——Serial Number 54129 00:48, 27 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Maybe WP:TOOSOON? JFHJr (㊟) 01:43, 27 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Yes JFHJr thanks, that's good advice 👍 ——Serial Number 54129 09:30, 27 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Fakt Marathi Cine Sanman for Best Director

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Reviewed during NPP. No indication of wp:notability under GNG or SNG. This is an award given by a television network. There is no coverage much less GNG coverage of the topic of the article which is the award. North8000 (talk) 13:32, 25 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Redirect to Fakt Marathi Cine Sanman: Not really opposed to Keep as WP:SPLITLIST. -My, oh my! (Mushy Yank) 00:30, 26 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Marc Cayce

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Highly promotional page for non-notable director, recreated and moved to mainspace after soft deletion in 2023. No evidence that he passes WP:GNG, WP:NBIO, or WP:FILMMAKER. There is no evidence beyond WP:USERGENERATED IMDb that he co-directed Trapped: Haitian Nights, the one notable production in his filmography, or that his direct-to-video "A Day of Trouble" premiered at Cannes. Sources are all press releases, WP:INTERVIEWS and similar primary sources, as well as a handful of tabloid items disallowed for notability under WP:SBST. Dclemens1971 (talk) 16:53, 22 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete: Hardly any coverage of his career, some confirmation here in regards to a sexual assault allegation [20], which doesn't help notability (beyond confirming his work). The sources used in the article are as described by the nom, non-helpful. Vaguely PROMO as well. Oaktree b (talk) 21:34, 22 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Khais Millen

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Immediately refunded after soft deletion in 2023 but no change to address concerns in first AfD. Film writer/director who does not pass WP:GNG, WP:NCREATIVE, WP:NBIO. Most sources are WP:TRIVIALMENTIONS if they mention him at all; there's an interview that's a WP:PRIMARYSOURCE and a single example of WP:SIGCOV that exhibits all the hallmarks of unreliable content of WP:NEWSORGINDIA. Not enough to pass. Dclemens1971 (talk) 15:44, 16 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Keep: fairly meets WP:DIRECTOR AND WP:CREATIVE with at least 3 2 notable films directed and 3 2 written (not mentioning the fact he produced. 2); the said films are notable creations that received independent and in-depth coverage mentioning him. -My, oh my! (Mushy Yank) 16:18, 16 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
What part of WP:DIRECTOR are you referring to with "three notable films"? (Only two films he has been involved in even have en-wiki pages and only one of those he directed.) The only criterion I could plausibly see cited is "The person has created or played a major role in co-creating a significant or well-known work or collective body of work," but there's no evidence that any of his works are "significant or well-known." Dclemens1971 (talk) 16:23, 16 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I consider his debut film as director notable enough. See coverage about it online. It has no page yet on WP, true. Added 2 links to the article. Writer: my bad, I had counted Lipstick, which is a short. Even if it's only two or even if it it was only one, he would pass both SNGs because these works can be considered significant, as coverage shows. I'll leave it at that as he is a really clear pass imv.-My, oh my! (Mushy Yank) 16:38, 16 July 2024 (UTC) (number of significant films; clarification: 3 or 4 films including 2 directed (Thala; and I count Aakashvani), 2 written (Adithattu and Thala, to which one can add again Aakashvani)); the 1st has received a significant award and is clearly significant imv).-My, oh my! (Mushy Yank) 16:51, 16 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Comment on the opening assertion in the nomination: sorry but no change to address concerns in first AfD is an inaccurate statement.-My, oh my! (Mushy Yank) 16:38, 16 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Fine, no substantive change. The addition of WP:TRIVIALMENTION citations does not address the concerns in the AfD. Dclemens1971 (talk) 16:57, 16 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I beg to differ. If those mentions (trivial or not) allow to verify he had an essential role in notable productions they do address the concerns, especially as one mentioned the award for Best Second film that was not mentioned before, unless I am mistaken. I remember checking them (or even adding some) myself back then. I should leave it at that that, as I had said, sorry. Thanks, anyway. -My, oh my! (Mushy Yank) 17:07, 16 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Redirect. As I noted in the previous AFD, a film he wrote won a second-place regional film award, and for another of his films a child actor won a regional award. Per nomination and subsequent comments by nominator, coverage of the director himself is insufficient per WP:NFILMMAKER. Wikishovel (talk) 04:50, 24 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
A redirect (presumably to Thala (film)) would be acceptable to me as an AtD. Dclemens1971 (talk) 17:25, 25 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Either to Thala (the apparently better known film) or to Adithattu (the film that won an award) would be fine by me. Wikishovel (talk) 17:34, 25 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Akin Gazi

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Non notable actor. Does not meet WP:NACTOR or WP:GNG. Cowlibob (talk) 14:48, 13 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Hi, @Cowlibob: I suppose that WP:NACTOR is more likely to apply. Regarding its criteria: 'Such a person may be considered notable if:

1) The person has had significant roles in multiple notable films, television shows, stage performances, or other productions; or

2) The person has made unique, prolific or innovative contributions to a field of entertainment.'

I think 1) is more likely to apply. I can see from his page that he has appeared in almost two dozen films and television shows which are sufficiently notable to have their own article. Do you accept that they are notable? If so, is your case simply that his roles are not significant? How do you believe that a significant role is defined for the purposes of notability in WP:NACTOR? Is there a guideline or 'case law' supporting this? Thanks.

Jontel (talk) 01:03, 14 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Weak KEEP Gazi's article seemingly meets the criteria of WP:NACTOR i.e. 'Such a person may be considered notable if the person has had significant roles in multiple notable films, television shows...' in that he has appeared in multiple (around two dozen) productions which have their own articles (and so are presumably notable) and his generally mid ranking in credited roles are presumably sufficiently significant. The case for keeping the article is strengthened by a career duration at this level of almost two decades WP:SUSTAINED. However, without searching through the reviews of his productions, there appears to be little independent reliable secondary coverage of him, which would be required to pass WP:BASIC. The key guiding text appears to be: 'People are likely to be notable if they meet (WP:NACTOR)...(However)...meeting (WP:NACTOR) does not guarantee that a subject should be included.' i.e. WP:NACTOR alone is not sufficient for notability. Given his roles in so many notable productions, is there a case for giving editors time to find the coverage necessary to meet WP:BASIC, as suggested in WP:ATD, by leaving it for a period? Jontel (talk) 21:58, 14 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Niharika Lyra Dutt

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Notability issue Thewikizoomer (talk) 08:05, 11 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Strong Keep: I do not really see any notability issues here. The subject person has officially credited lead roles in TV series like Paatal Lok[21], Choona[22], and an upcoming series Call Me Bae[23], as well as supporting roles in projects like Music Teacher[24] and Sutliyan[25], which clearly fulfills the NACTOR#1. Besides, The Hindustan Times interview, as well as sources from Times of India, Indian Express, and Yahoo! News that are currently cited in the article have also clearly demonstrated that the subject person has fulfilled GNG. It does not even require a BEFORE, as the information presented in the article is already sufficient to show that the subject person has fulfilled two notability guidelines. —Prince of Erebor（The Book of Mazarbul） 11:38, 11 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Strong delete, interviews do not help establish notability. Also, Times of India is not suitable for a biography. — 48 JCL 16:46, 11 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

NACTOR has clearly been fulfilled but not addressed. And yes, a single interview source itself does not establish notability. But if there are multiple interviews covering a breadth of different topics, this can count towards notability per WP:IV. I am not sure about Times of India, but even if it is excluded, there are still multiple interviews from The Hindustan Times, The Indian Express, or Mid-Day[26], which have fulfilled this requirement imo. Still an obvious keep to me. —Prince of Erebor（The Book of Mazarbul） 19:24, 11 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- Comment— I agree wholeheartedly with Prince of Erebor. These are absolutely reliable sources. She is a main cast member in the television show mentioned in the article.
9t5 (talk) 04:50, 14 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Comment -- She is 'way down the cast list (not in the top 6 actors listed) in either Paatal Lok or Choona, or in the streaming/web projects, so not an obviously notable career on the face of it. I am not sure whether any of the articles cited are really WP:RSs. -- Ssilvers (talk) 17:28, 11 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The sources I provided show that she is credited as main cast, and they are from The Indian Express, The Hindu, and Variety. I do not believe these three sources have any concerns regarding their reliability. —Prince of Erebor（The Book of Mazarbul） 19:24, 11 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Comment — The subject is clearly a member of the main cast. If you want to argue that a recurring or guest appearance isn’t notable, that’s understandable. However, this actress is a main cast member. The article needs strengthening not deletion.

9t5 (talk) 23:00, 13 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Ssilvers, I've done a source assessment. — 48 JCL 23:37, 13 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Delete ~~Weak Keep~~ - (switch to weak keep: after having reevaluated 48JCL‘s arguments) // (switch to delete: I stand by my views on policy & notability, but this specific article is progressively unearthing problems. Extremely irked by the sock puppet attempt, and that paired with Ssilvers’s comments have me feeling uncomfortable with leaving a keep on this AfD. So I am switching to Delete) — I (still) strongly disagree with 48JCL. If someone is interviewed by the New York Times, that would make a person mighty notable. You cannot say “interviews don’t prove notability” when that is plainly untrue.

9t5 (talk) 22:36, 13 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Comment, @9t5, they were not interviewed by the New York Times.
[1] -- From WP:TOI: "The Times of India is considered to have a reliability between no consensus and generally unreliable. It has a bias in favor of the Indian government and is known to accept payments from persons and entities in exchange for positive coverage." Seeing how promotional the article is, I think it is fair to say that this does not help establish notability.
[2] -- From WP:IV#Independence: "Alice Expert talks about herself, her actions, or her ideas: non-independent source." This is basically what the Hindustan Times article discusses. It is fine for a WP:BLP (I think) but It does not establish notability.
[3] -- Another interview.
[4] -- IMDb, not reliable. Per WP:IMDb
[5] -- Another interview.
[6] -- Another interview.
[7] -- Passing mention.
[8] -- Passing mention. — 48 JCL 23:35, 13 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Comment— so you’re saying if it were the NYT then interviews can count? You wrote, and I quote, “interviews do not help establish notability.” It seems that you made a wildly incorrect assertion as justification for your delete vote. Have you done the proper research into the Indian outlet to determine that it is not reliable?

9t5 (talk) 04:46, 14 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

48JCL Then tag the article with ((verify))? This is a ridiculous use of AfD. 9t5 (talk) 04:57, 14 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I still do not see any address on NACTOR. The subject person has at least three officially credited main roles. GNG does not override SNG. They are companion guidelines, and fulfilling either one is already sufficient in the first place.

I am also unclear on the purpose of your source analysis. I have already analysed them when I cast my !vote and explained why I believe the interviews can serve as evidence of notability per WP:IV. Besides, you have misidentified sources 7 and 8. They are clearly proving the subject person's involvement in certain projects, and are being used to flesh out the article, not to demonstrate SIGCOV on the subject person, just like the five sources I provided in this discussion. I believe I have made a strong case for why this is an obvious keep, and I have not seen any rebuttals directed to my arguments at all, despite the various comments. (Probably because it is inarguable that the subject person has significant roles, given their numerous credited main parts.) —Prince of Erebor（The Book of Mazarbul） 05:21, 14 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

And I think 9t5 was raising a hypothetical question, asking what if someone has been interviewed by a reputable source, instead of claiming that the subject person has been interviewed by the NYT. I do not fully agree with this, given that interviews are generally regarded as PS and do not necessarily count towards notability on their own. However, if a person has been interviewed by multiple reputable media outlets like NYT+WSJ+WaPo, this could serve as evidence of notability, and I think this makes sense. You may go ahead and argue that WP:IV is an essay or whatnot, but I doubt that would be a strong and well-reasoned position. —Prince of Erebor（The Book of Mazarbul） 05:39, 14 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Prince of Erebor I simply interpret policies a lot more leniently than 48JCL, and am allowed to do so as per WP:5P5. I have been involved in debate with 48JCL before. We are a pretty equal match. Just two different points of view. I respect their dedication to the project. 9t5 (talk) 06:47, 14 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
9t5 and Prince of Erebor, I completely agree that WP:IV makes sense. However, from WP:IV: but a person does not pass GNG if interviews are the only kind of sourcing they have. Also, Prince of Erebor, those sources you provided are passing mentions and do not count towards notability. — 48 JCL 11:56, 14 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@48JCL: I have already mentioned three times in this discussion - the sources I provided are to prove that the subject person has officially credited main/supporting roles in the respective projects, instead of providing SIGCOV about the person. The five roles I have listed already showed that the subject person has fulfilled NACTOR#1, and a Keep is the only reasonable conclusion. The interviews are only additional evidence of notability, since I have noticed many Wikipedians often bring up "coverage" in cases where the subject person has already fulfilled SNG, and this part is to satisfy their concerns. I still do not see any rebuttals on why the subject person fails NACTOR in your multiple replies, and the fact that you now agree the interviews can count towards notability even makes this case not borderline, but a strong Keep. Are you sure you do not want to change your stance, given that your arguments seem to be quite affirmative to a keep rather than a delete? —Prince of Erebor（The Book of Mazarbul） 12:23, 14 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep It not be deleted. Wikicontriiiiibute (talk) 11:51, 19 July 2024 (UTC)User Blocked[reply]

You have a bizarre contribution history. Typical of a sock puppet. WP:SOCK 9t5 (talk) 06:27, 21 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Wikicontriiiiibute —- to the closing editor, this account is likely best kept unconsidered. The user has a very short and very opinionated history of solely AfD discussions. 🂡🂡9t5 05:49, 22 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Delete. I'm going to say "Delete" for now, per WP:NOTYET and because of the mischaracterization of the roles this person has played as "3 main roles". They are supporting roles, but not within the first half dozen roles listed in the cast lists. It is very suspicious that this person has not received substantial press other than interviews. -- Ssilvers (talk) 03:08, 24 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- This is simply original research and IDONTLIKEIT to determine an actor's role by subjective assessment. Based on both the official billings and the sources, the subject person was listed among the main cast of Choona ([27][28][29][30]) and Paatal Lok ([31][32][33][34]), as well as part of the ensemble cast with a credit of "Also Featuring" in Call Me Bae ([35][36][37]). Large productions can have a large main cast. For instance, a season of The Boys can have a total of 16 actors in main roles, while A Murder at the End of the World has a total of 13 actors in main roles. The main roles are officially credited, and their position in the billing does not matter at all. A main role will not be diminished to a recurring or supporting role simply because the actor is not credited front enough.

Her role in Sutliyan was also referred as "principal cast" by Scroll.in,[38] and mentioned in multiple reviews,[39][40] which I do not think this is what a minor and non-notable role would be like. With at least 3 officially credited main roles and 1 significant supporting role, I still do not see how the subject person fails NACTOR. —Prince of Erebor（The Book of Mazarbul） 18:25, 24 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

You are not being persuasive, because you are just throwing in a lot of refs that merely list the cast, and because you are being emotional. Instead, if you cite a review or other independent article (not an interview of someone connected to the production) for each role that *states* why it is one of the most important roles in the work, or that *describes* the role's its importance to the plot arc, I will review them and see if they persuade me. Above you mention Sutliyan, but this is not even mentioned in the article. If you want to have a meaningful discussion, add all the relevant information and cites to the article that you want to discuss, instead of WP:BLUDGEONING this discussion. Then you can make a more persuasive point. -- Ssilvers (talk) 22:56, 24 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Ssilvers, why would I be emotional? I always make lengthy comments on AFD, and I normally do not expand an article with the sources and information I present before the article is kept, or else that would just be a waste of my time. If you are complaining about TLDR, here is a shortened version:

The subject person's main roles are officially credited in the billings and supported by numerous sources. Three sources per WP:THREE, and the fourth sources are related to the billings, like the official website of Netflix or credits listed at Screen Rant, so I believe this is the perfect amount of evidence I should provide. But for the sake of discussion, I would simply quote all the first sources:

For Choona, Created by Pushpendra Nath, the main cast includes: Jimmy Shergill as Avinash Shukla, Minister of Urban Development [...] Gyanendra Tripathi as Baankey and Niharika Lyra Dutt as Jhumpa, among others.

For Pataal Lok, Amazon Prime Video recently dropped the Anushka Sharma-bankrolled series, Paatal Lok, which stars Jaideep Ahlawat, Niharika Lyra Dutt, Neeraj Kabi and Gul Panag in the leading roles.

For Call Me Bae, The eight-part series, also featuring Vir Das, Gurfateh Pirzada, Varun Sood, Vihaan Samat, Muskkaan Jaferi, Niharika Lyra Dutt, Lisa Mishra, and Mini Mathur, will premiere on September 6.

For Sutliyan, The principal cast, which includes Niharika Lyra Dutt as the object of Raman’s affection, is uniformly compelling.

There is nothing for me to describe or persuade, as a credited main role would not be diminished simply because of subjective disagreements. If someone comment on why they consider it is main or it is supporting, this is called original research. —Prince of Erebor（The Book of Mazarbul） 04:02, 25 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Note to closer: Perhaps I made too many comments and my argument has been messy to follow. So for the benefit of reviewing, I will make a summary: I think the subject person passes both NACTOR and GNG. For NACTOR, she has at least 3 officially credited main roles and 1 significant supporting role, supported by billings and sources, which is a clear fulfillment of NACTOR#1. For GNG, she has a certain extent of secondary source coverage, such as from Times of India[41] or Tellychakkar [42][43], albeit not the best sources. However, this can be compensated with numerous interviews from reputable media outlets per WP:IV, including The Hindustan Times[44], Indian Express[45], Mid-Day[46], Yahoo! News[47], Sakshi[48], etc. Therefore, by combining both primary and secondary sources covering the subject person, it clearly demonstrates enough notability to pass GNG. Fulfilling two notability guidelines is a strong keep to me, and I have reservations about the opposing !votes in this discussion, as they do not seem to be based on P&G. —Prince of Erebor（The Book of Mazarbul） 04:02, 25 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete: Sources i find are interviews [49]and [50]. Source 2 is also an interview in prose form. Rest of the sourcing in the article is about other projects, not about this person. We don't have articles about her that aren't primary. Oaktree b (talk) 15:49, 25 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Shabana Shajahan Aryan

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Previously deleted and salted as Shabana Shajahan/Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Shabana Shajahan * Pppery * _{it has begun...} 00:46, 11 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep: 2 lead roles In notable series have her clearly meet WP:NACTOR. -My, oh my! (Mushy Yank) 16:36, 11 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Keep: I concur with Mushy Yank. At least two co-leading roles in the television series Sembaruthi and Mr. Manaivi. Fulfills NACTOR#1. —Prince of Erebor（The Book of Mazarbul） 16:42, 11 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Draftify. Actress had been in 2 Tamil language TV shows where she played lead roles but the sources on the page are focused on her personal marital life than her career. Source 1 is about her dress outfits. Source 2 is on her wedding anniversary. Source 3 is on her marriage trouble. Source 4 is on her childhood picture. Source 5 is passing mention on likes dislikes. Source 6 is on show going off-air. Source 7, 8 and 9 are on her marriage troubles. There is not a single source with indepth coverage on her career. I did not find any reliable secondary independent source that has indepth coverage on her career as an actress and the reason could be that her career is not yet worthy of notice to deserve attention or to be recorded but voting to draftify if anyone can find sources on her career and improve the page. RangersRus (talk) 13:53, 29 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Weak keep: There's a fair amount of (albeit tabloid-esque coverage) in news outlets, indicating some sort of notability. For example, this Times of India article goes in-depth about how she celebrated her birthday. Non-notable people wouldn't get anywhere close to that level of coverage. There's also a whole bunch of stuff about her wedding ([51][52][53][54]). Combined with meeting WP:NACTOR I think notability is met and there should be enough to write an article. C F A 💬 02:19, 1 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Birthday celebration, giving thanks on instagram and the kind of gift received by spouse, these are not the kind of coverage needed to satisfy notability. The page has no source with indepth coverage on her career. The page needs to be re-written and sourced with reliable secondary independent sources. RangersRus (talk) 11:24, 1 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Markku Helminen

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Fails WP:SPORTSCRIT, only primary sources supplied. A search in google news only comes up with third party sources of a namesake. LibStar (talk) 04:29, 1 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Comments: LibStar: I'm no expert on speedway, so there might be something I'm missing, but could you explain your assessment that all the sources here are primary ones? A book like Who's Who of World Speedway and so on. /Julle (talk) 07:10, 1 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Michele Paco Castagna

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Fails WP:SPORTSCRIT. Only primary sources provided. A search in google news yielded nothing. LibStar (talk) 03:54, 1 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep three times Champion of Italy and has ridden in the highest possible league of speedway in Britain (equivalent to the football Premier league). Pyeongchang (talk) 10:35, 1 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I have added three more non Primary sources as suggested to the article. Pyeongchang (talk) 10:35, 1 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Hynek Štichauer

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Fails WP:SPORTSCRIT. Only primary sources provided. Google news yields zero. LibStar (talk) 00:58, 1 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep Member of the Czech team that rode in the 2023 World Cup (the pinnacle of speedway alongside the Grand Prix), has also ridden in the highest possible league of speedway in Britain (equivalent to the football Premier league). Pyeongchang (talk) 11:29, 1 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

P.S. I have added multiple non primary sources to article.

Nelly Smolarczyk

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WP:TOOSOON for an article on this footballer. The closest to WP:SIGCOV I found was a few sentences of coverage here. JTtheOG (talk) 22:37, 31 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Hi, I admit I do not have more sources that would qualify for sig. cov. either. I have saved the article source for later use, but feel free to go ahead with the deletion. Lisbean (talk) 09:44, 1 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Draftify – As WP:ATD. Svartner (talk) 13:49, 1 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Vedaant Madhavan

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Fails WP:BIO & WP:NSPORT. This athlete is not notable yet, did not win any notable championship and fails Wikipedia guidelines for athlete and biography. Drat8sub (talk) 14:46, 31 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Matúš Opatovský

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Opatovský played a total of 861 minutes before disappearing in 2016. I can't find any better article than an interview on SME. Article fails WP:GNG with lack of significant coverage overall. ⋆｡˚꒰ঌ Clara A. Djalim ໒꒱˚｡⋆ 10:35, 31 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete: I am unable to find enough coverage to meet WP:GNG. Please ping me if sources are found. JTtheOG (talk) 18:52, 31 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Barrie Limoki

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Does not appear to meet the general notability guideline. Absence of significant coverage. Was only able to find a routine transfer announcement and stats pages with online search. C 679 03:47, 31 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep - references added. IdiotSavant (talk) 04:52, 31 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Delete - no evidence of notability. If sources are found which show significant coverage please ping me. Giant Snowman 18:47, 31 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete. The sources in the article are: 1. stats profile N. 2, 4, 8, 9: posts by the governing sports body N. 3. Press release in Solomon Star N. 5. Name drop in press release in Solomon Star N. 6. Press release in Fiji Times N. 7. Routine transactional announcement in Fiji Live N. Nothing here is even clearly independent, let alone SIGCOV. JoelleJay (talk) 22:04, 31 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete – I could even propose draftify, but for a Solomon Islands under-17 player it really is very difficult to speculate about notability. Svartner (talk) 13:48, 1 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Willem Ebbinge

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Lack of significant coverage, which is not surprising: the footballer has only played for a reserve team and a college team, failing WP:TOOSOON. As to why the sources do not contribute to WP:GNG; NZ Herald is a listicle, and Otago Daily Times is a completely insignificant/trivial piece about a local child (at the time). Geschichte (talk) 11:57, 30 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete – Fails in WP:GNG. Svartner (talk) 18:57, 30 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Delete, per nom. Alexeyevitch^(talk) 07:11, 31 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete - no evidence of notability. If sources are found which show significant coverage please ping me. Giant Snowman 18:48, 31 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Justin Willis (soccer)

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Article about former soccer player which comprehensively fails WP:GNG. There is a batch of match reports, press releases from his employers/university, an interview with the subject on a blogpost (none of which are significant coverage in reliable sources). The very best coverage I could find consisted of a single sentence in The News & Observer [55] which is well below any concept of significant coverage. A PROD was removed without making any effort to find SIGCOV. Jogurney (talk) 15:03, 30 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete - no evidence of notability. If sources are found which show significant coverage please ping me. Giant Snowman 18:48, 31 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Thomas Ripton

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Non-notable rugby player, sources are all routine coverage or borderline-primary sources ("a history of the club"), no evidence of international play so fails WP:NSPORTS and WP:GNG. Primefac (talk) 14:07, 30 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete Lacks significant coverage. Mn1548 (talk) 09:43, 31 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Have any of the sources been looked into, or a newspaper search been done? He played well over 100 games for the Hull Kingston Rovers, a top-tier team. BeanieFan11 (talk) 14:13, 31 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Norbert Magosi

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Fails WP:SPORTSCRIT. All the sources provided are primary. A google news search yields nothing. LibStar (talk) 03:26, 30 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep - Meets criteria 4 of WP:NMOTORSPORT, being a multiple national champion. SpacedFarmer (talk) 07:54, 31 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@SpacedFarmer, all sportspeople must meet SPORTCRIT #5 regardless of meeting a sport-specific criterion. Where is the SIGCOV? JoelleJay (talk) 21:55, 31 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
The same as this amongst others...Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/2024 Sakhir Formula 3 round (which I nominated, where are the SIGCOV for these too) SpacedFarmer (talk) 08:11, 1 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I think we're closer to needing to delete those championship articles than we are to being able to use them as an indication of notability. 5225_C (talk • contributions) 08:48, 1 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Lionel Elika Fatupaito

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Boxing coach who tragically passed away at the Olympics. Article created after death and I cannot find any useful sources on him apart from news stories about his death. Black Kite (talk) 14:03, 29 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Delete: This seems to be a case of WP:ONEEVENT. Perhaps worth of a mention in the article about Plodzicki-Faoagali| when discussing his olympic performance, which no doubt this will have cast a shadow over. -- D'n'B-t -- 14:21, 29 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Merge to Samoa at the 2024 Summer Olympics#Boxing for WP:ATD. SpacedFarmer (talk) 17:17, 29 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Merge to Samoa at the 2024 Summer Olympics#Boxing - Agree. He was part of the delegation, and will have had his share in the Olympic boxing scene, too. Royalrec (talk) 14:24, 30 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Jacob Björnström

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sportsperson stub. fails general notability guideline. ltb d l (talk) 13:33, 29 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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What Finnish newspaper archives have you searched for coverage of this offline-era Olympic medalist? BeanieFan11 (talk) 13:38, 29 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Petra Taušová

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Redirect to List of Czech Republic women's international footballers as ATD because I could not find any in-depth coverage of her to meet WP:GNG. The only secondary sources I found were Deník and iDNES (2004, 2011) – none of which cover Taušová in-depth. ⋆｡˚꒰ঌ Clara A. Djalim ໒꒱˚｡⋆ 11:29, 29 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Redirect as above. Giant Snowman 16:22, 30 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Redirect – Per nom. Svartner (talk) 13:50, 1 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Ricky Kling

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Fails WP:SPORTSCRIT, almost all primary sources provided. The one independent source is a 1 line mention of this person. LibStar (talk) 07:34, 29 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep As a national U21 champion, pass criteria 4 of WP:NMOTORSPORT. SpacedFarmer (talk) 15:22, 29 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- In which category of criteria four do you believe the Swedish Junior Speedway Championship falls under? It appears to be amateur, not professional, and of questionable national significance. 5225_C (talk • contributions) 08:46, 1 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  - The Swedish U21 Championship is fully professional, not amateur. Pyeongchang (talk) 09:59, 1 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    - Could you provide a source for that? 5225_C (talk • contributions) 10:38, 1 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep Rode in the highest possible tier of not only the British league (equivalent of football's premier league) but also the Swedish league. Pyeongchang (talk) 09:59, 1 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- I have added three more non primary sources references to the article, plenty more out there. Pyeongchang (talk) 10:11, 1 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

John McDonald (American football)

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Subject lacks the needed WP:SIGCOV from multiple secondary sources to meet the WP:GNG. Let'srun (talk) 22:09, 28 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Comment have you tried a WP:BEFORE scan on newspapers? this newspapers.com outage is killing me. -1ctinus📝🗨 22:39, 28 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I checked newspapers.com (I have a subscription) and the LOC. Let'srun (talk) 23:27, 28 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Ray Oberbroekling

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Subject lacks the needed WP:SIGCOV from multiple independent, reliable sources to meet the WP:GNG. This could possibly be redirected to List of Kenosha Maroons players as a WP:ATD. Let'srun (talk) 21:54, 28 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Redirect to 1924 Kenosha Maroons season as WP:ATD. My searches also turned up no SIGCOV. Cbl62 (talk) 04:21, 29 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Anousone Xaypanya

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Fails WP:NSPORT/GNG. No significant coverage in independent, reliable sources at all. Creator recreated this 3 times in mainspace, then de-proded, so taking it to AfD. C F A 💬 17:10, 28 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete - the only sources available are just lists of player stats, nothing even close to showing notability. StartGrammarTime (talk) 18:08, 28 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete - all citations are stats pages. Shinadamina (talk) 22:22, 28 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Delete - no evidence of notability. If sources are found which show significant coverage please ping me. Giant Snowman 16:22, 30 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete: Per nom Lordseriouspig 22:56, 30 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Filip Černák

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Černák seems to have never played at professional level and his career lasted 150 minutes in total. I found nothing better than Športky, which is a transfer rumor, but am not sure how reliable the source is. Searching for "Filip Černák" on Google come up with other men with the same name instead of this footballer, failing WP:V too. ⋆｡˚꒰ঌ Clara A. Djalim ໒꒱˚｡⋆ 10:10, 28 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete, GNG failure for player who never got his career fully off the ground. Geschichte (talk) 22:45, 28 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Delete - no evidence of notability. If sources are found which show significant coverage please ping me. Giant Snowman 16:22, 30 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Adriano Bernardes

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Former football player with 84 games, 71 at the semi-pro level, 13 in Switzerland's second-tier league. Sources are just roster listing sort of things. I don't think he meets WP:NSPORT. Here2rewrite (talk) 16:15, 27 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete - no evidence of notability. If sources are found which show significant coverage please ping me. Giant Snowman 08:13, 28 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete for lack of notability. No WP:SIGCOV in reliable sources. Prof.PMarini (talk) 11:48, 28 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete for lack of significant news coverage.Shinadamina (talk) 22:25, 28 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete: Fails WP:SIGCOV. ADifferentMan (talk) 03:48, 29 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete: Another run-of-the-mill (WP:MILL) footballer that does not stand out from the rest. JoeNMLC (talk) 14:20, 30 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Samuel Antálek

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Antálek played 90 minutes of professional football before being sent to lower leagues. I found nothing better than Teraz, a brief mention in squad list, but am not sure how reliable it is. Article fails WP:GNG without significant coverage overall. ⋆｡˚꒰ঌ Clara A. Djalim ໒꒱˚｡⋆ 11:00, 27 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete - no evidence of notability. If sources are found which show significant coverage please ping me. Giant Snowman 08:12, 28 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete. Ongoing career, but the demonstrated WP:IMPACT would have to be larger to allow an article for this level of fringe player. Geschichte (talk) 09:03, 28 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete for lack of significant news coverage.Shinadamina (talk) 22:26, 28 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Sedale Threatt Jr. (basketball)

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Fails WP:GNG and WP:NBASKETBALL - was created in 2017 with heavy promotional material. The subject played primarily in an Australian second tier semi-professional league. There are no secondary or independent sources available. The subject is also basically an Orphan with it's only link being his father's page at Sedale Threatt. DaHuzyBru (talk) 06:59, 27 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Redirect to Sedale Threatt. Not a complete throwaway as he did win some awards, but never played at a significant professional level (i.e., the NBA). 💥Casualty ^{• Hop along. •} 00:52, 28 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Lillebror Johansson

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Fails WP:SPORTSCRIT. Only primary sources provided. LibStar (talk) 03:24, 27 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Wayne Alberts

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The provided sources are mentions and stats pages. Nothing else is available in Google. Shinadamina (talk) 01:33, 27 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete: Lacks significance coverage. Mn1548 (talk) 09:24, 27 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete: +1 to what Mn1548 ... Plus no big accolades or legacy in Rugby that would make him notable.John.mark1956 (talk) 03:15, 28 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete Not notable under any criteria. Easy decision to delete. Go4thProsper (talk) 22:54, 29 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep. As an alternative to deletion a Redirect to Gold_Coast Chargers#Gold_Coast-Tweed_Giants where he was in their first ever team. No need to delete when this valid alternative exists. Offline sources may be found later so it's worth preserving this. duffbeerforme (talk) 12:39, 31 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete can be recreated if sources become available, but currently no evidence of sigcov/notability, and unlikely much would be found given the small number of matches played. EdwardUK (talk) 13:04, 1 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Adam Ambra

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Ambra played 164 minutes at lower Italian club of AlbinoLeffe and does not seem to meet WP:GNG. Futbol Portal is a rumor about his potential transfer to Premier League followed by interview analysis. Zahori is another interview but I'm not sure how reliable it is. SME is yet another interview but I can't access due to paywall. Neither of these count towards significant coverage. ⋆｡˚꒰ঌ Clara A. Djalim ໒꒱˚｡⋆ 17:25, 26 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete - no evidence of notability. If sources are found which show significant coverage please ping me. Giant Snowman 17:59, 26 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete, no accomplishments or sources that form a basis for an article. Geschichte (talk) 20:08, 26 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete. Does not meet notability requirements, neither GNG nor SNG for athletes. Prof.PMarini (talk) 23:34, 27 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete No indication of notability. Delete per above. Go4thProsper (talk) 22:59, 29 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete - Article fails WP:GNG per nominator's source analysis. Jogurney (talk) 14:49, 30 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Gerald D'Mello

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I'm not seeing enough WP:SIGCOV for this goalkeeper that only played in 3 professional games. While searching for Gerald/Gerard D'Mello, I found Deccan Herald, Herald Goa, Navhind Times and Telegraph India, all of which are passing mentions. If this article is kept, we should consider moving it to 'Gerard D'Mello' as this seems to be a more popular spelling. Spiderone^{(Talk to Spider)} 16:45, 26 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete - no evidence of notability. If sources are found which show significant coverage please ping me. Giant Snowman 17:58, 26 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete – Fails in WP:GNG. Svartner (talk) 06:58, 27 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Denny Draper

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Doesn't meet WP:GNG or WP:SPORTCRIT. Only secondary sources in the article and found during WP:BEFORE check are match reports with surface level coverage of the subject. AlexandraAVX (talk) 16:25, 26 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete - no evidence of notability. If sources are found which show significant coverage please ping me. Giant Snowman 17:58, 26 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Weak keep I am happy with the sources in the article, young player with on going career, although somewhat primary heavy, there seems enough to show basic. Govvy (talk) 23:21, 26 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Which sources do you believe contain significant coverage of the subject? AlexandraAVX (talk) 06:01, 27 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
GNG and SIGCOV is only intended for non-specific topics per WP:SNG. Please see BASIC and SPORTBASIC for notability of people (basic criteria) as well as for athletes (additional criteria per WP:SPORTSPERSON). Hence there is a distinct difference for people compared to general topics: "If the depth of coverage in any given source is not substantial, then multiple independent sources may be combined to demonstrate notability". CNC (talk) 16:43, 27 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete: Subject lacks the needed WP:SIGCOV to meet the WP:GNG. All I see here are primary sources, passing mentions, and some YouTube clips. Let'srun (talk) 14:19, 27 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Comment (contributor). I tried improving this to bring it back to mainspace, based on elements of BASIC per SPORTBASIC (the guidelines that covers the notability of people and athletics), as a combination of secondary sources, rather than the need for exclusive SIGCOV (the guidelines that covers the notability of general topics). So far there is Sky Sports and BBC for this, which I believe is beyond trivial, and borderline BASIC per Govvy comment. It's otherwise unfortunately that the BBC's Women's Football Show episodes are no longer available, as I remember distinct post-game coverage of Draper after her initial goal; that of her international career, prospects and style of play (beyond ROUTINE), that would certainly cross the threshold for basic notability (people and sports-related). I'll try find a copy of this somewhere to see if it could be used as a cite av media ref, even if not possible as an online source. I think it's also fair to assume basic based on "they have achieved success in a major international competition at the highest level", that of being top scorer in the U17 Euro qualifying, as subjectively the U17 Euros are the highest level of competition at that age range, though I can understand how this is intended for senior competitions only, as well as only a guide to likelihood of notability, as opposed to notability itself. Either way, it wouldn't be too much of a loss if the page get's deleted, as I suspect there will be SIGCOV soon enough for it to return. It would be unfortunate for an active WSL player to have their page deleted, but based on policy/coverage it'd be understandable. I can only assume it's age-related as to why there isn't further coverage, given she would be one of the very few active WSL players to have scored a league goal and not have an article. CNC (talk) 16:34, 27 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Keep Have added a third source for notability [56], so per above comment, that should cover SPORTBASIC. The online source is unavailable, but can be verified here, or otherwise by requesting archival footage from the BBC for non-commercial purposes if preferred (but otherwise nothing wrong with citing media as RS per WP:PUBLISHED). I realise as well that ROUTINE only covers local sources for sport, so with BBC and Sky Sports, game coverage counts for multiple sig cov. At least, I think it's hard to argue that coverage of scoring the winning goal in an important game isn't significant. We can get round to the YT argument if needed, but as it's a verified account from a reliable source (Sky Sports Football) it is "inheriting their level of reliability" per WP:RSPYOUTUBE so shouldn't be needed. CNC (talk) 17:42, 27 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Keep for the reasons stated above, but also worth adding here that Draper recently signed a pro contract with Leicester. Until now, her WSL appearances had been as an academy player mostly coming off the bench, so reasonable chance of her making match day squads more often. Delete this article and we could end up having to restore it long before Christmas. Leonstojka (talk) 17:12, 30 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Keep – The sources present in the article seem enough to WP:GNG. Svartner (talk) 13:52, 1 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Julian Gjinaj

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Potentially fails WP:GNG here. I have searched Albanian sources and found nothing better than Panorama, a passing mention about a disciplinary issue. Spiderone^{(Talk to Spider)} 16:33, 26 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete - no evidence of notability. If sources are found which show significant coverage please ping me. Giant Snowman 17:58, 26 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete – Fails in WP:GNG. Svartner (talk) 06:57, 27 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete. No significant coverage. The only coverage are stats posted on sports sites, not enough to prove notability. Prof.PMarini (talk) 11:16, 27 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Gunnar Malmqvist

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Fails WP:SPORTSCRIT. Only primary sources provided. LibStar (talk) 14:53, 26 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Weak keep – same as my argument for Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Henry Long (speedway rider) thathe was one of the title clinching finalist of a world championship event, thus he should be able to pass WP:NMOTORSPORT. WP:ATD will be to draftify for expansion. SpacedFarmer (talk) 16:06, 26 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- Commenting here to note to the closing administrator that no such criteria exists in NMOTORSPORT. 5225_C (talk • contributions) 09:41, 28 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Comment: I've added one additional reference from a Swedish newspaper, but I've only got access to things far more recent than Gunnar Malmqvist's career at home. A search in he newspaper archive of the Royal Library of Sweden gives some promising results, if someone's got access to it through e.g. the university connection (though it's the wrong time of the year to be present on campus, I suppose). /Julle (talk) 03:02, 27 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Kenny Ingalls

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Fails WP:SPORTSCRIT. Only primary sources provided. LibStar (talk) 12:02, 26 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Zachary David

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Per WP:DEL#8: Doesn't meet GNG, WP:NSPORTS or WP:NMOTORSPORT. Nobody (talk) 07:35, 26 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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hi. how can we edit this to meet requirements? Thanks Zach David (talk) 15:12, 26 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete clearly non-notable, and obvious conflict of interest doesn't help. ~~ AirshipJungleman29 (talk) 16:56, 26 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete – As above. 5225_C (talk • contributions) 05:27, 28 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete – As above. SpacedFarmer (talk) 15:20, 29 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete - As above _Signed, Pichemist ^{( Contribs | Talk )} 09:12, 31 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete – Creating an account under your own name, editing just your article and quickly moving it to mainspace seems an ill-advised idea to say the least. Zach is a quick driver but clearly a case of WP:TOOSOON. Prose and sources aren't useful enough to draftify. MSport1005 (talk) 09:21, 31 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
noted with thanks! Zach David (talk) 01:29, 1 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Mark Carlson (speedway rider)

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Fails WP:SPORTSCRIT, only primary sources provided. Nothing found when searching ["Mark Carlson" speedway] LibStar (talk) 03:14, 26 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete – WP:NOTDATABASE, sources are available but all primary or database entries. No claim of notability. 5225_C (talk • contributions) 06:56, 26 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Henry Long (speedway rider)

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Fails WP:SPORTSCRIT, only primary sources provided. Nothing found when searching ["Henry Long " speedway] LibStar (talk) 03:11, 26 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Weak keep for that he was one of the title clinching finalist of a world championship event, thus he should be able to pass WP:NMOTORSPORT. WP:ATD will be to draftify for expansion. SpacedFarmer (talk) 16:02, 26 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- That isn't a criteria of WP:NMOTORSPORT? 5225_C (talk • contributions) 03:46, 27 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  That criteria can be summed up in two words - utter ******* - too overly biased on circuit racing and overly biased on multi-round championships too IMO, because the sport attracts their fanboys. As with #9, how many classes are there at the Bonneville Speed Week? How many records are up for grabs there by SCTA? Or that does not count as notability despite media talking about the cars in that event?
  I think the criteria for world championship speedway should be at least 2 or more appearances in title clinching finals. SpacedFarmer (talk) 17:11, 27 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  - You can't appeal to your ideal version of the guideline. It doesn't say what you want it to. 5225_C (talk • contributions) 05:25, 28 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    A criteria for WP:NTRACK above says "Finished top 8 in a competition at the highest level outside of the Olympic Games and world championships." This means all finalists at those two events pass notabilty as there are 8 lanes on an IAAF approved track. This is what my point is based on. SpacedFarmer (talk) 15:31, 29 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    NTRACK is for track and field athletes. The IAAF is the old name of the governing body for athletics, not for speedway. I don't understand why you would build your argument on a notability guideline for an entirely different sport. 5225_C (talk • contributions) 01:59, 30 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    Agree with above comment from 5225. LibStar (talk) 03:18, 30 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete – Primary sources only, no indication of notability. No sources presented to prove otherwise. 5225_C (talk • contributions) 03:29, 30 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Kim Yu-song (footballer, born 2003)

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Article fails WP:GNG. Simione001 (talk) 02:58, 26 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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If he has played for the North Korean national team at the Asian Games, he does appear to be notable enough. 93.117.220.196 (talk) 10:59, 26 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
The article has been nominated for deletion on the basis that it fails WP:GNG. This does not relate to appearances for the national team. Simione001 (talk) 13:42, 26 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
According to WP:FOOTYN, "players are deemed notable if they (...) Have played FIFA recognised senior international football". This covers playing for the national team of North Korea. 93.117.220.196 (talk) 15:11, 26 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

FOOTYN itself states The player section of this notability guidance has been superseded by WP:Notability (sports), and is included below for information only as a record of the previous guidance that the Footy project came up with. The correct guideline is WP:SPORTCRIT, which makes no mention of playing for a national football team. Spiderone^{(Talk to Spider)} 16:50, 26 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete - no evidence of notability. If sources are found which show significant coverage please ping me. Giant Snowman 17:58, 26 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Ke Seung-woon

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Article fails WP:GNG. Redirect to 1966 World Cup team. Simione001 (talk) 02:55, 26 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Strong Delete – Corresponding article on Korean Wikipedia is an unsourced stub. ⋆｡˚꒰ঌ Clara A. Djalim ໒꒱˚｡⋆ 17:44, 26 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Redirect to 1966 FIFA World Cup squads#North Korea. Giant Snowman 17:59, 26 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Kang Sun-il

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Delete - no evidence of notability. If sources are found which show significant coverage please ping me. Giant Snowman 17:57, 26 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Ju Song-il

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Article fails WP:GNG. Simione001 (talk) 02:50, 26 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete - no evidence of notability. If sources are found which show significant coverage please ping me. Giant Snowman 17:57, 26 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Marek Małecki

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Equestrian who does not satisfy sports notability. There are two references. The first one is a database entry, and database entries do not establish sports notability. The second is an obituary, which may count toward general notability but is the only significant source. He competed in the Olympics, but does not have Olympic notability because he did not receive a medal.

Reference Number	Reference	Comments	Independent	Significant	Reliable	Secondary
1	https://www.sports-reference.com/olympics/athletes/ma/marek-malecki-1.html	A Wayback Machine copy of a database entry of sports statistics	Yes	No	Yes	No
2	hejnakon.pl	Obituary in Polish equestrian magazine.	Yes	Yes	Yes	Yes

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Draftify as nominator, to allow six months to find better coverage. Robert McClenon (talk) 01:07, 26 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Florinel Sandu

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I was not able to find WP:SIGCOV sources for this footballer. The best I could find was this. Geschichte (talk) 14:46, 25 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete – Fails in WP:GNG. Svartner (talk) 23:06, 25 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Delete - no evidence of notability. If sources are found which show significant coverage please ping me. Giant Snowman 17:57, 26 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete: Fails WP:GNG Robertjamal12 ~🔔 11:05, 1 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete‎. ^Complex/_Rational 12:53, 1 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Oliver Burian

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With only primary sources listed, the article of this men's footballer clearly fails WP:GNG. He played nine minutes at the highest domestic league before being sent on loan to second tier then disappeared. Using the keyword "Oliver Burian", search engines mostly find other men of the same name than this footballer, failing WP:V too. My searches showed nothing better than match reports and passing mentions in online newspapers. ⋆｡˚꒰ঌ Clara A. Djalim ໒꒱˚｡⋆ 12:39, 25 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete, no basis for an encyclopedic article. Geschichte (talk) 14:30, 25 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete, seems that he hasn't disappeared completely, but moved to the third, and now, fourth tier of Slovak football (non-league). At that level there is no chance of new significant coverage, and agree that anything existing is far below the required standard. C 679 15:12, 25 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete – Fails in WP:GNG. Svartner (talk) 23:06, 25 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Delete - no evidence of notability. If sources are found which show significant coverage please ping me. Giant Snowman 17:57, 26 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete: I am unable to find enough coverage of the subject to meet WP:GNG. Please ping me if sources are found. JTtheOG (talk) 19:46, 31 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Sérgio Rafael

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Does not meet WP:SPORTSCRIT, Sports biographies must include at least one reference to a source providing significant coverage of the subject, excluding database sources. Searching only uncovers further database sources and a very limited number of primary sources. C 679 12:09, 25 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete - no evidence of notability. If sources are found which show significant coverage please ping me. Giant Snowman 17:05, 25 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Comment – The player actually had a modest career, but there are some sources in the local media [57], [58], [59]. Is at the limit of WP:GNG in my opinion. Svartner (talk) 23:05, 25 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Jaroslav Volf (speedway rider)

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Not notable sportsperson without notable sporting achievements. Sources only refer to sports results. Searching the internet for "Jaroslav Volf" shows other people with the same name. Same case as the recently nominated Bedřich Slaný. FromCzech (talk) 05:56, 25 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Keep: Clearly notable because he competed in the final of the Speedway World Cup, the sport's pinnacle AND reached the final of the Speedway individual world championship. Pyeongchang (talk) 08:43, 25 July 2024 (UTC) — Note to closing admin: Pyeongchang (talk • contribs) is the creator of the page that is the subject of this AfD. [reply]
The sport's pinnacle are the Olympic Games and athletes do not meet the condition of notability just by participating in them. If you say 'keep' you have to objectively demonstrate notability according to WP:GNG and WP:NMOTORSPORT. FromCzech (talk) 09:11, 25 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Note: The Olympic Games are not the sports pinnacle, there is no speedway at the Olympic Games as is the case for numerous other sports. For information the pinnacle of speedway is the World Individual championships (now called the Grand Prix) and the World Cup. I have since added additional references from books and Newspaper Archive. Pyeongchang (talk) 09:22, 25 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Delete – Unimpressed by the sources available. Routine recaps of events in local papers are not significant coverage of the individual. There is no attempt to claim significance in the article. Wikipedia is not a database (WP:NOTDATABASE). 5225_C (talk • contributions) 07:04, 26 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete Fails WP:SPORTSCRIT. The non speedway sources do not appear in depth. LibStar (talk) 12:19, 26 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Weak keep for that he was one of the title clinching finalist of a world championship event. WP:ATD will be to draftify for expansion. I agree with Pyeongchang's statement that it is the pinnacle of speedway. SpacedFarmer (talk) 16:13, 26 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete. Fails GNG and in particular SPORTCRIT. Accomplishments carry zero weight so !votes to keep based on appearing in a championship should be discounted. JoelleJay (talk) 02:46, 27 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete Doesn't meet WP:NSPORT. There isn't enough significant coverage from reliable sources to justify a standalone article. Yakov-kobi (talk) 11:26, 1 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Note: I can't express the importance of being a participant in the speedway world final and world cup final. I have since asked for motorsports notability to cover speedway which I do not think it does at present and therefore does not help give editors an understanding of the sport's main competitions. Pyeongchang (talk) 11:43, 1 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Karel Průša

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Not notable sportsperson without notable sporting achievements. Sources refer to sports results except for one, which is an interview with the person concerned. Searching the internet for "Karel Průša" shows other people with the same name. Same case as the recently nominated Bedřich Slaný. FromCzech (talk) 06:03, 25 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep: Clearly notable because he competed in the final of the Speedway World Cup, the sport's pinnacle. Pyeongchang (talk) 08:44, 25 July 2024 (UTC) — Note to closing admin: Pyeongchang (talk • contribs) is the creator of the page that is the subject of this AfD. [reply]
The sport's pinnacle are the Olympic Games and athletes do not meet the condition of notability just by participating in them. If you say 'keep' you have to objectively demonstrate notability according to WP:GNG and WP:NMOTORSPORT. FromCzech (talk) 09:10, 25 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Note: The Olympic Games are not the sports pinnacle, there is no speedway at the Olympic Games as is the case for numerous other sports. For information the pinnacle of speedway is the World Individual championships (now called the Grand Prix) and the World Cup. I have since added additional references from books and Newspaper Archive. Pyeongchang (talk) 09:19, 25 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep for that he was one of the title clinching finalist of a world championship event. WP:ATD will be to draftify for expansion. I agree with Pyeongchang's statement that it is the pinnacle of speedway. SpacedFarmer (talk) 16:15, 26 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Draftify. Competing or even winning at the pinnacle of a sport, whether Grand Prix or Olympics, is not a valid inclusion criterion. SPORTCRIT requires GNG be met and for a GNG-contributing source to be cited in the article. If the "Speedway A-Z" source is not SPS then that would probably satisfy SPORTCRIT, but multiple sources are needed for GNG. JoelleJay (talk) 03:04, 27 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Weak Keep meet WP:NSPORT He has notable achievements in speedway racing, including a silver medal in the Czechoslovak Individual Championship and participation in the 1962 Speedway World Team Cup. Yakov-kobi (talk) 09:46, 1 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Bedřich Slaný

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Not notable sportsperson without notable sporting achievements. Sources only refer to passing mentions and sports results. Searching the internet for "Bedřich Slaný" shows other people with the same name. FromCzech (talk) 05:35, 25 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Comment: The Czech version cs:Bedřich Slaný of the article says (without a reference) that he died on 11 October 1980. Perhaps a news article about him or an obituary in a reliable source was published shortly after his death. Someone with access to Czechoslovak news media from 1980 might want to search for references from October 1980. The Wikipedia Library would also be worth searching. If you find one or more useful references, please add them to the Czech version cs:Bedřich Slaný as well., Eastmain (talk • contribs) 06:21, 25 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep: Clearly notable because he competed in the final of the Speedway World Cup, the sport's pinnacle. Pyeongchang (talk) 08:41, 25 July 2024 (UTC) — Note to closing admin: Pyeongchang (talk • contribs) is the creator of the page that is the subject of this AfD. [reply]
The sport's pinnacle are the Olympic Games and athletes do not meet the condition of notability just by participating in them. If you say 'keep' you have to objectively demonstrate notability according to WP:GNG and WP:NMOTORSPORT. FromCzech (talk) 09:09, 25 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Note: The Olympic Games are not the sports pinnacle, there is no speedway at the Olympic Games as is the case for numerous other sports. For information the pinnacle of speedway is the World Individual championships (now called the Grand Prix) and the World Cup. I have since added additional references from books and Newspaper Archive. Pyeongchang (talk) 09:22, 25 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Of course, I meant in general that if for Olympic sports the participation of an athlete in the Olympics is not a criterion of notability, the participation of a speedway racer in the Speedway World Cup is also not a criterion of notability. The sources you have added here and elsewhere do not demonstrate notability according to Wikipedia criteria.
Redirect to 1962 Speedway World Team Cup may be an alternative to deletion. FromCzech (talk) 09:40, 25 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Redirect, we do not have sources demonstrating GNG is met, only passing mentions. JoelleJay (talk) 23:40, 25 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Weak keep for that he was one of the title clinching finalist of a world championship event. WP:ATD will be to draftify for expansion. I agree with Pyeongchang's statement that it is the pinnacle of speedway. SpacedFarmer (talk) 16:16, 26 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- This is not a valid notability criterion. NSPORT requires GNG be met. JoelleJay (talk) 03:05, 27 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- "title clinching finalist of a world championship event" does not appear in WP:NMOTORSPORT as an accomplishment which leads to a presumption of notability. 5225_C (talk • contributions) 03:43, 27 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete It lacks independent coverage in reliable sources beyond brief mentions in secondary sources. It fails to establish notability according to WP:N. Yakov-kobi (talk) 12:50, 1 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Adrian Baril

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After extensive searching for WP:SIGCOV in multiple newspaper archives, I believe the subject lacks the coverage needed to meet the WP:GNG. This obit [[60]] is rather short and doesn't make mention of his NFL career. Besides the obit, there are some passing/routine mentions like [[61]], [[62]], [[63]] and [[64]] but from what I see it is all trivial. While the subject played 16 NFL games, they took place in the early years of the league when the popularity of the league was nowhere near what it is today. I don't see a clear WP:ATD here but am open to the possibility. Let'srun (talk) 00:08, 25 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete. The early years of NFL were so different from NFL in the 1960s–on as to be totally different enterprises. It's not surprising that no SIGCOV exists and that his participation wasn't even noteworthy enough to include in his obit. JoelleJay (talk) 00:00, 1 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I don't have the time currently took look for sources for this (plus the Newspapers.com outage). Could we draftify this like we did for Ainer Cleve? BeanieFan11 (talk) 00:49, 1 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Zaine Kennedy

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Fails WP:SPORTSCRIT. Almost all the sourcing is not third party but speedway related. LibStar (talk) 01:30, 12 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep. The fact that the sources are related to the speedway does not make them non-independent. Per WP:GNG "Independent of the subject" excludes works produced by the article's subject or someone affiliated with it. These sources could be considered affiliated with him if, for example, he were their owner. I would add a few more secondary sources [65] [66] [67] Tau Corvi (talk) 22:01, 15 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I have set up a discussion here Wikipedia:Reliable_sources/Noticeboard#Speedway_related_sources. LibStar (talk) 23:48, 15 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Comment: I saw the RSN discussion first, so I do not plan to vote, but to give my opinion from my limited perspective. Having taken a look at Scunthorpe Scorpions, which looks like two different teams on one article, I can count about five dozen riders that have articles. Of the "Notable riders," most of them use "speedway related sources" in their articles with British Speedway cited between two and three dozen times. (More problematic, but farther outside of the discussion is that at least one article is citing sources that are MREL and GUNREL.)

Overall, the issue over the specific sources is going to have an effect on other articles. If deemed a problem, then there will need to be more AfD discussions in the near future; while if deemed acceptable could lead to additional article creations. I am of the opinion that redirects to the team articles could be more preferred than deletion and that some information might be includable in the various team articles. That said, I am unsure if the sources are a problem on these rider articles. --Super Goku V (talk) 06:19, 16 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep per suggestions by C679. SpacedFarmer (talk) 20:49, 22 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Delete – Minimal significant coverage, no real claim of notability. 5225_C (talk • contributions) 08:09, 23 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Delete: This BLP lacks the needed WP:SIGCOV to meet the WP:GNG. Let'srun (talk) 16:32, 25 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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2 of the 3 sources brought up are not independent as discussed in reliable sources. The article subject still fails WP:SPORTSCRIT and WP:BIO. LibStar (talk) 01:35, 26 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Keep. Found some independent sources about this rider which deal with an under-21 world championship [68], Australian national youth championships [69] and even club championship in Australia [70]. There are more but I didn't go into much detail with the search. C 679 04:01, 30 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
The Glasgow times article seems run of the mill, speedway riders crash all the time. I wouldn't regard fullnoise.com.au [71] as an independent source. LibStar (talk) 04:16, 30 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
That's your opinion, I am just stating that there is independent coverage of this person out there, which you cited as the main issue with the page at the outset. C 679 05:29, 30 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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