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The result was redirect to Glossary of motorsport terms. – filelakeshoe (t / c) 🐱 11:08, 25 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Grip (auto racing)[edit]

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The only external link is dead; the article itself looks like more a dictionary definition. Mark Ekimov (talk) 12:21, 3 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was keep. Eddie891 Talk Work 02:23, 24 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Rajesh Yadav (cinematographer)[edit]

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Has a lot of connections to notable shows, but I couldn't establish WP:N is met. Has been in CAT:NN for almost 12 years; hopefully, we can resolve it. Boleyn (talk) 19:18, 10 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. MBisanz talk 18:11, 25 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Gabe Jaramillo[edit]

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WP:NOTINHERITED applies - his brother is notable but i fail to see how he is, given there is no real coverage and the sourcing for his supposed training of notable athletes is a forbes contributor piece. PRAXIDICAE🌈 16:14, 3 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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To establish this as a fact, you'll need to provide an actual reliable source. PRAXIDICAE🌈 13:22, 8 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]
In fact it was your job WP:BEFORE. After a quick search on the internet: https://www.forbes.com/sites/kmehta/2020/10/14/inside-the-mind-of-elite-athletes-who-become-outstanding-business-leaders/, https://www.eurosport.com/tennis/roger-federer-backs-itf-for-handing-maria-sharapova-two-year-doping-ban_sto5641417/story.shtml -GorgonaJS (talk) 20:15, 10 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was redirect to The Whispers. Based on the comments, this appears to be a compromise most of the participants would be comfortable with. Ritchie333 (talk) (cont) 15:33, 25 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Nicholas Caldwell[edit]

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Does not appear to be independently notable enough for a standalone article. Coverage in name publications is mostly re-hashing a brief Associated Press article about his death (or wire distribution) or brief articles stating he died without going significantly in-depth about him beyond group association. (WP:BLP1E for his death). TheSandDoctor Talk 23:46, 17 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. plicit 23:55, 24 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

AIR Users Blog[edit]

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Cannot find any sources that would meet WP:GNG about this website (which has now changed its name to "Pro Tools Expert", making it even harder to find any sources about the website itself). pinktoebeans (talk) 23:44, 17 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. plicit 23:57, 24 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Brendan Graham Dempsey[edit]

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No indication of notability per WP:GNG, WP:BIO, or WP:NAUTHOR. I am unable to find significant discussion of the individual in multiple reliable sources. ... discospinster talk 16:07, 3 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. plicit 23:58, 24 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Google Blogoscoped[edit]

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Could not find multiple reliable, independent sources covering this blog in detail. The (online) sources in the article do not qualify under the WP:GNG guidelines and my WP:BEFORE search only revealed a few articles by TechCrunch which only mention the blog/its contents in passing and do not display notability for the blog itself. The blog also has not been updated since 2011. pinktoebeans (talk) 23:36, 17 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was redirect to List of George Cross recipients. In case any content needs to be merged it can be found in the page history. – filelakeshoe (t / c) 🐱 11:11, 25 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

List of living recipients of the George Cross[edit]

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Fails WP:LISTN as reliable sources don't treat living George Cross recipients as a group distinct from other GC recipients (or at least no more than they typically distinguish between the living and the dead). They are distinguished from dead recipients in that they're entitled to an annuity from the Crown, but I don't think it's in any way notable that the pension ends at death.

This page is essentially a WP:NOTMIRROR of the VC & GC Association's membership database. The information is also duplicated at List of George Cross recipients. The only unique information is the smaller list of recently deceased recipients, but that's non-encyclopedic, marginal WP:MEMORIAL, and could easily be incorporated into the larger list in an encyclopedic manner by listing birth and death dates for all recipients. I'd be happy to redirect to the full list, but the maintainers of this list opposed a merge proposal, so I'm bringing it here. pburka (talk) 22:24, 17 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was speedy keep. Nomination withdrawn with no-one favouring deletion. – filelakeshoe (t / c) 🐱 14:50, 22 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Miguel Arcángel Roscigna[edit]

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Nominator's rationale: There is not much sources or information about this person. Myself and other have expanded it, but weren't able to do much. If it can't be expanded much more then I don't think there is much point in keeping it. Davidgoodheart (talk) 21:21, 17 September 2021 (UTC) Keep. I have now expanded it as much as I can with the information that I have found. Anyone who knows the language Spanish, please add the information from the Spanish article after converting it to English to this article. Davidgoodheart (talk) 13:44, 20 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]
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@PamD: Do you think that you can find someone who can convert the Spanish article into English. If this can be done then I think the article should surely be kept. Davidgoodheart (talk) 14:01, 18 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was delete. plicit 23:59, 24 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Beverly Eakman[edit]

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Promotional, oddly written, and relies entirely on primary or unreliable sources; Google search shows up nothing substantial; possibly a Scientologist? ─ ReconditeRodent « talk · contribs » 21:02, 17 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. Eddie891 Talk Work 02:24, 24 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Jesse Guthrie[edit]

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Here v. PROD as it has been previously deleted. I cannot find evidence of notability for this climber via GNG or CREATIVE. His autobiography is self published and none of his writings seem to be part of notable publications. Star Mississippi 15:41, 10 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. plicit 00:00, 25 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Behrouz Jamali[edit]

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Non-notable musician. Can't see how he is notable. scope_creepTalk 20:07, 17 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was merge to List of Batman family enemies. Ritchie333 (talk) (cont) 15:34, 25 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Punchline (character)[edit]

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Sooo... this was deleted back in March 2020 for lack of notability and WP:ONEEVENT concerns, with a caveat that the character may become notable in the future. Now it's back, using sources that get no more recent than... February 2020. And with not a tick of development in the notability department as far as I can tell. I wonder what the reasoning here is? All the arguments from the last discussion still apply, and I guess so should the conclusion. -- Elmidae (talk · contribs) 19:59, 17 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. plicit 00:02, 25 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Christopher Parr[edit]

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Promotional profile sourced to a scraped-together collection of "coverage" so lightweight it's blowin' in the wind. Seriously, look at these sources and weep. There is one solid local newspaper article [2] but the rest could fit on the back of a postcard. There's no basis for an article here. -- Elmidae (talk · contribs) 19:45, 17 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. – filelakeshoe (t / c) 🐱 19:26, 24 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Fair Opportunity Project[edit]

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Does not meet WP:NCORP - no indication of notability through significant coverage in multiple independent reliable sources. -Liancetalk/contribs 19:24, 17 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was merge to Withdrawal of the United States troops from Afghanistan (2020–2021). Ritchie333 (talk) (cont) 15:34, 25 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Stuart Scheller[edit]

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Non-notable BLP1E. Merge content elsewhere. Feoffer (talk) 19:02, 17 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. MBisanz talk 18:10, 25 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Payal Radhakrishna[edit]

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Declined at Afc. Doesn't meet nactor, npov, wp:aud nor sigcov. scope_creepTalk 19:14, 17 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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@70mmreels: about that prestigious Dadasaheb Award … read WP:DADASAHEB. defcon5 (talk) 04:53, 21 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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Tharagarathi Gadhi Daati [18] I can still provide more refrences related to all movies.

References

  1. ^ https://www.imdb.com/title/tt10083986/mediaviewer/rm24297217/
  2. ^ https://www.imdb.com/title/tt15151786/mediaviewer/rm1134100225/
  3. ^ https://www.imdb.com/title/tt13627530/mediaviewer/rm3439779073/
  4. ^ https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/entertainment/kannada/movies/news/bhinna-wins-award-at-dada-saheb-phalke-film-festival/articleshow/69129238.cms
  5. ^ https://www.newindianexpress.com/entertainment/kannada/2019/may/02/bhinna-wins-award-even-before-release-1971739.html
  6. ^ https://boldoutline.in/bhinna-wins-the-best-screenplay-jury-award-before-its-release.html
  7. ^ https://bangaloremirror.indiatimes.com/entertainment/south-masala/arjun-paayal-to-come-together-for-music-video/articleshow/74738302.cms
  8. ^ https://www.ap7am.com/flash-news-724564/payal-radhakrishna-in-surendar-reddy-movie
  9. ^ https://www.cinemaexpress.com/stories/news/2020/mar/21/life-360-director-arjun-kishore-chandra-comes-up-with-his-first-single-17674.html
  10. ^ https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/entertainment/kannada/movies/news/the-intense-character-in-her-next-left-paayal-radhakrishna-depressed/articleshow/68302751.cms
  11. ^ https://www.thenewsminute.com/article/kannada-films-should-have-global-sensibility-wider-reach-bhinna-director-adarsh-110626
  12. ^ https://kannada.asianetnews.com/sandalwood/kannada-actress-payal-radhakrishna-to-be-acts-in-tollywood-movie-q7fvdh
  13. ^ https://www.newindianexpress.com/entertainment/kannada/2017/mar/07/paayal-excited-about-her-first-in-sandalwood-1578407.html
  14. ^ https://www.filmibeat.com/kannada/movies/bhinna.html
  15. ^ https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=uKFsuGzaCBU
  16. ^ https://www.zee5.com/movies/details/bhinna/0-0-87629
  17. ^ https://www.zee5.com/zee5originals/details/singa-penne/0-6-3127
  18. ^ https://www.aha.video/originals/tharagathi-gadhi-daati


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* Keep (DOUBLE VOTE): According to WP:NACTOR and WP:GNG In Many of the Links Payal radhakrishna Name is mentioned and also have independent significant coverages https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/entertainment/kannada/movies/news/the-intense-character-in-her-next-left-paayal-radhakrishna-depressed/articleshow/68302751.cms https://kannada.asianetnews.com/sandalwood/kannada-actress-payal-radhakrishna-to-be-acts-in-tollywood-movie-q7fvdh https://www.newindianexpress.com/entertainment/kannada/2017/mar/07/paayal-excited-about-her-first-in-sandalwood-1578407.html https://bangaloremirror.indiatimes.com/entertainment/south-masala/arjun-paayal-to-come-together-for-music-video/articleshow/74738302.cms Here is one more article which has been published yesterday https://epapervijayavani.in/ArticlePage/APpage.php?edn=Bengaluru&articleid=VVAANINEW_BEN_20210923_6_1&artwidth=185.2566666666667px Local sources in kannada langauage should also be considered because she is south actress along with English any articles have been published in local print sources also https://archive.org/details/payal-is-coming-as-different https://archive.org/details/payal-in-tollywood 70mmreels (talk)

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The result was delete. – filelakeshoe (t / c) 🐱 19:18, 24 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Claudette Roy[edit]

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Poorly sourced article about a person notable primarily as a non-winning candidate for political office. As always, this is not a role that passes WP:NPOL per se -- the notability test for politicians is holding a notable political office, not just running for one -- but there isn't much else here to hang a "preexisting notability for other reasons besides the candidacy" claim on, since it's all just unsourced career background on her work as a member of various local boards and committees. And even on a WP:BEFORE search for other coverage, I'm not finding much -- out of just 130 hits total, the clear majority are unrelated Claudette Roys such as a school board trustee in Montreal and a hockey player in Sudbury and a woman in Cornwall who won a Fitbit in a walkathon, and what little I do get for this Claudette Roy is either run of the mill campaign coverage that doesn't make her more special than other non-winning candidates or glancing namechecks of her existence as a giver of soundbite in coverage of other things, with virtually no sources that are about her in any non-trivial way. And while being named a Member (the lowest level) of the Order of Canada would be a strong notability claim if the article were sourced properly, it isn't "inherently" notable enough to exempt her from having to have more and better sourcing than just one short blurb about a non-winning political candidacy. Bearcat (talk) 18:31, 17 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. – filelakeshoe (t / c) 🐱 19:17, 24 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Denis Baraby[edit]

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WP:BLP of a regional director of a government department, not properly sourced as the subject of sufficient coverage to make him markedly more notable than most other holders of a not inherently notable job title. The notability claim here is his role in investigating a single child abuse case of no clearly enduring significance for the purposes of the ten year test -- and the sourcing is not about him for the purposes of getting him over WP:GNG, but just glancingly namechecks his existence in the process of being about the incident. So all of this just makes him a WP:BLP1E, not a person who warrants permanent inclusion in an encyclopedia on this basis per se. Bearcat (talk) 18:12, 17 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. – filelakeshoe (t / c) 🐱 11:13, 25 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Tubi Style[edit]

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Doesn't seem to meet WP:NCORP. Completely promotional, zero references. Mikeblas (talk) 18:05, 17 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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Remember that WP:N requires significant coverage. While you've added a few references, they're to articles that make ancillary descriptions. A review was done of a car that had equipment made by this company, for example, but does not describe this company. One reference simply happens to mention the president of the company. Anohter just mentions the company in the title, nothing further. Despite your edits, notability is not established because these references are superfluous and not significant -- not even direct, really. -- Mikeblas (talk) 03:19, 19 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was delete. – filelakeshoe (t / c) 🐱 19:20, 24 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Russell Surasky[edit]

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There's already been substantial discussion of whether this person is notable by our standards, so it seems to be time to get a wider view on that. There's no in-depth biographical coverage of him in the article as it stands - the "sources" simply rehash tidbits from his website. He gets no hits on JSTOR, no hits on Scholar and no verifiable hit on Gbooks; he is not listed on Scopus.

It is claimed that he is certified by the American Board of Addiction Medicine; attempting to verify this on the website of that august body takes us to this other website, where his name does not appear.

The creator of the page has been asked to disclose any WP:COI or WP:PAID connection to the subject, but has not responded; obvious is obvious, in any case. The draft was accepted in good faith by FormalDude. Justlettersandnumbers (talk) 18:01, 17 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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This is not a comment on Surasky's expertise as a doctor; I am noting that we don't have the material to justify a Wikipedia article.
FWIW, the creator did comment on the talk page on his relationship with Surasky: "I do not have a 'close relationship' with the subject. I am a colleague who knows Dr. Surasky from medical school & residency training." - David Gerard (talk) 18:44, 17 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]
David Gerard, that talk-page comment was added by an IP editor, and then messed around with by a different one to include a (failed) ping to me and to the creator of the article, Canes Stains. I've no idea whether that's the same editor or a different one; I am however sure that the Canes Stains account has not responded to my request for clarification. Thanks, Justlettersandnumbers (talk) 18:53, 17 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]
I have responded to the request: I do not have a COI. Also that IP editor is not me. Canes Stains (talk) 01:34, 18 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Correction: Thanks, FormalDude, that is indeed correct, and I'd overlooked it, my careless mistake. Canes Stains has denied any COI or PAID connection to the subject; as above, an IP editor has disclosed a COI. Justlettersandnumbers (talk) 09:44, 18 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was keep – but with no prejudice against the current article being WP:TNTed. Consensus is that the topic is notable. – filelakeshoe (t / c) 🐱 19:24, 24 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

MusicBee[edit]

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Non-notable software article with poor sourcing. Article reads like a manual, and Wikipedia is not a manual, guidebook, textbook, or scientific journalBroccoli & Coffee (Oh hai) 16:40, 10 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was keep. (non-admin closure) Extraordinary Writ (talk) 17:12, 24 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Georgia Spiropoulos[edit]

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BLP with no actual references Rathfelder (talk) 15:15, 17 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. ♠PMC(talk) 07:07, 24 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Marie Ruumet[edit]

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An MMA fighter who has just started her career doesn't pass WP:NMMA. Htanaungg (talk) 14:49, 17 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was keep. Eddie891 Talk Work 02:25, 24 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Sulit TV[edit]

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Article has been moved to draftspace twice in 24 hours. It has no references. Suggesting to Delete and Salt. Whiteguru (talk) 08:14, 10 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was redirect to Short squeeze#Gamma squeeze. The page history is retained for anyone wanting to merge content and references. – filelakeshoe (t / c) 🐱 11:16, 25 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Gamma Squeeze[edit]

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Pretty much entirely original research and refbombing. Sourced to dubious or unreliable sources (including wikipedia articles). The vast majority of the sources do not mention gamma squeezes. Additionally, the article looks like a POV fork from short squeeze in several respects. Maybe the subject is notable (although IMO the subject's notability is not separate from short squeezes), but this version should be WP:TNTed. JBchrch talk 03:44, 10 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. plicit 13:53, 24 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Mr. Strongko[edit]

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no notable independent wrestled. Not enough coverage by reliable, independent sources HHH Pedrigree (talk) 08:35, 3 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was keep but with no prejudice against a merge, which was even suggested by the nominator (just a reminder, you don't need to send an article to AfD to merge it). There is clearly a consensus against deletion so the article can either be expanded with more sources or merged to David Narcizo. – filelakeshoe (t / c) 🐱 11:25, 25 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Lakuna[edit]

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Doesn't appear to meet WP:N. Possible ATD is redirect or merge/redirect to David Narcizo. Has been in CAT:NN for 12 years; hopefully, we can now resolve it. Boleyn (talk) 21:30, 4 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was merge to CNN Philippines. MBisanz talk 18:10, 25 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

CNN Philippines Headline News[edit]

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Unsourced article. Too short. Likely fails notability. Could be merged to a relevant article or list article if warranted. JWilz12345 (Talk|Contrib's.) 13:06, 17 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was no consensus to delete outright. Beyond that, there's no real agreement on whether to redirect, merge, or keep as is, but that can be worked out on the talk page. – Joe (talk) 16:28, 26 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Tarquinia (mother of Lucius Brutus)[edit]

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Article fails WP:BASIC and WP:NOTGENEALOGY. The subject is mentioned once in passing in one single primary source, and I can find no secondary sources offering any commentary. Avilich (talk) 12:59, 17 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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Except no histories have survived, her name is only even known because that's the royal family's name, and she doesn't play an active role in any event. Does she really appear 'in numerous works' or are you making stuff up? Avilich (talk) 13:52, 17 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Why would he be making stuff up exactly? There are probably hundreds of plays, paintings and novels based on the overthrow of the Roman monarchy, not hard to believe that she would have a role in some of them. Why do you have to be rude to other editors that don't agree with you all the time?★Trekker (talk) 08:11, 18 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Because a wp:before already reveals that no such coverage exists, and because this isn't the first time I see someone inventing sources or page numbers in an AfD. Avilich (talk) 14:21, 18 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]
As an example, the subject appears briefly in Robert Graves' King Jesus. As Graves' work is the subject of extensive scholarship and is based on history, readers might well want to know more about the historical figures that he mentions. Their names should therefore not be redlinks. Andrew🐉(talk) 16:20, 18 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Ignoring for a moment that it's a passing mention with no coverage like any other, there is no evidence that Tarquinia (mother of Lucius Brutus) (exactly like that) is a plausible search term (many/most titles with parenthetical qualifiers aren't), which is the requirement for a redirect. Your argument may be applicable for mentioning the character in a dab page without either a redlink or a blue link. But a passing mention in a random novel has nothing to do with establishing notability or whether a redirection is adequate. Avilich (talk) 16:40, 18 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Any history that states that Brutus was the king's nephew would be a valid source for Tarquinia's existence, since his mother would have to have been the king's sister (otherwise he would have been a Tarquinius). And passing as the mention may be, a classicist refers to the works of Robert Graves as "random novels" at his own peril—but I digress. I'm not arguing—and neither is Andrew Davidson—that Tarquinia is necessarily notable enough to justify a stand-alone article. Merging into the other articles concerned involves nothing more than noting her existence, or anything else worth knowing about her—potentially including whatever Robert Graves says about her—with appropriate citations, in the articles about Tarquin the Proud, Brutus, the Tarquinia gens, and perhaps one or two others (not necessarily all of the content or sources in each one—a single source may be sufficient for her existence, but all of them might appear under her entry in "Tarquinia gens"). Keeping the current title as a redirect seems prudent precisely because it is a plausible search target, whether or not we conclude that the subject is sufficiently notable to merit a stand-alone article. P Aculeius (talk) 18:50, 18 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]
I fail to see what makes it implausible. If you mean, "what are the odds that someone will type this exact phrase without any idea whether such an article or redirect exists", then it is at best improbable, but hardly implausible, which means that nobody would be expected to come up with the phrase, rather than "people looking for the topic are likely to search using a different formulation". There are indeed several possible titles that would logically point to this subject. But someone searching for "Tarquinia" would probably find this title in the search window before typing further, or by guessing there might be some parenthetical disambiguation—and by clicking on the proffered link, they would arrive at whichever article contains the most useful information (based on the discussion, probably either "Tarquinia gens" or "Lucius Junius Brutus"). So it would still be a useful redirect, since its appearance when searching under the subject's name would help readers locate whatever information we have. Otherwise, they might guess between several possible articles, and potentially choose one with less information, not knowing that a fuller discussion is in another article. That's the argument for keeping this as a redirect, wherever the content is merged to. P Aculeius (talk) 03:36, 19 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]
She should probably be mentioned in the three articles identified above, since she was Tarquin's sister, Brutus' mother, and a member of the Tarquinia gens. However, Livy alone is probably the only source it's necessary to cite to, if the only historical material is the assertion that she existed in the aforesaid relationships. Under her entry in "Tarquinia gens", any other details—such as whatever Robert Graves says of her in his novel—can probably be mentioned, together with citations to other sources supporting her existence. Entries there are limited to two or three lines, but it sounds as though it should be possible to summarize all of the relevant facts in two or three short sentences. P Aculeius (talk) 17:40, 19 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Again, Graves says nothing at all, it's just the usual filler "Brutus, son of Tarquinia" when saying how he's related to the King. Avilich (talk) 19:01, 19 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Unnecessary to say "again" when this is the first time you've said something. You can't remind someone of a fact that hasn't previously been mentioned, as though they should have been aware of it the whole time. P Aculeius (talk) 19:59, 19 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]
That's a straw man argument. Nobody has said that "there must be sources" that nobody has identified; there are sources, and they are well-known and reliable. Notability is only at issue insofar as the only facts that we have about the subject are her relationships to notable persons; but the correct procedure in a case such as this is merger into articles where whatever materials there are may be adequately documented. It is beyond dispute that the subject can and should be mentioned in those articles; there is no argument whatever for erasing all mention of the subject from the encyclopedia.
As a practical matter, since the subject is already mentioned in some of those articles, the only differences between merger and deletion are 1) double-checking to make sure that all of the relevant details are moved to the appropriate places, and 2) changing the current title as a redirect to the most appropriate of those articles, so that people who search for information on this subject can still find it, and so that the page history is preserved. These are not insignificant or unimportant steps, but they take very little time and effort in a case such as this. Let's not muddy the field by ignoring them, just because skipping the proper procedures might save five minutes and 100 Kb. P Aculeius (talk) 02:21, 20 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]
To quote from above: There are probably hundreds of plays, paintings and novels based on the overthrow of the Roman monarchy, not hard to believe that she would have a role in some of them. This article is three sentences. A quick search of Tarquin the Elder, the Proud and Brutus' articles show that the scant information in this article is already given there. The idea of someone searching specifically "Tarquinia (mother of Lucius Brutus)" rather than "Tarquinia" is pretty unlikely and I'm not sure worth spilling any pixels over so I'll stop here.Vladimir.copic (talk) 03:45, 20 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Not unlikely at all if you've read any early Roman history. "Tarquinia" without disambiguation is the modern name of the ancient Etruscan city of Tarquinii; all daughters of any male member of the Tarquinia gens would have been named "Tarquinia", and according to most sources the wife of Servius Tullius (the sixth king of Rome) was a daughter of Tarquin the Elder, who would also have been named "Tarquinia". Readers searching for more information might reasonably guess that any of these would be found under an article beginning with "Tarquinia"; when using the search window the first ten options beginning with that title appear, and only the parenthetical disambiguation makes it possible for a reader to tell which of the possible topics to visit (as it happens there are currently two formulations for the subject of this article, but both are plausible). P Aculeius (talk) 12:10, 20 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • do you even know what that means? Because the subject of the nomination is not one. Avilich (talk) 12:04, 20 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]
@4meter4: uuh, merge what exactly? This is an unsourced permastub, this shouldn't be more complicated than a simple 'keep, notable' or 'delete, not notable'--yet I keep seeing people, includig you, throwing around unnecessary complicators such as the merger of nonexistent content, false assertions of her being a 'queen mother', and suggestions of article creation (for which this isn't the venue). Avilich (talk) 00:49, 24 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Please calm down. Your tone is becoming uncivil. In response, some of the content on Tarquinia is not so overtly stated in the article on her son. The content in the article is easily sourced to a host of references in a google books search (which you would know if you did a WP:BEFORE); hence why a merge and redirect are fine. Just because the stub is unsourced doesn't mean its content isn't easily verified. Lastly, a dab page suggestion strengthens the argument for deletion/merge because there is a viable alternative to some of the problems highlighted in the keep arguments. As such, the suggestion was of use to this conversation in building consensus. Best. 4meter4 (talk) 01:02, 24 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • There was nothing wrong with the suggestions that 4meter4 made. He made no indication of her being queen mother, that was another commenter above, and left a helpful suggestion of how we could better clarify a topic with many same/similar names. While there is no mergeable content left, as both her motherhood and her relation to the Tarquins are both included in Lucius Junius Brutus, there is no need for you to always take things so personally and aggressively, Avilich. This is a recurring pattern of behavior with you and I am quite frankly sick of your hostility. Curbon7 (talk) 03:19, 24 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was keep. MBisanz talk 18:09, 25 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Walter Dunhan Claus[edit]

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None of the sources given in the article have Walter Dunhan Claus as the primary subject. None of the claims to notability, such as academic posts or assessment of his work as stated in the article are supported by any of the sources cited. A WP:BEFORE search yielded no sources of significance. Essentially this is a largely unverified article, with sources only verifying the existence of his publications but without indicating the significance of those publications or his overall work as a scientist. None of the biographical content is supported by the sources either. I was unable to find any critical assessment of his work to verify his role as a pioneer. Fails WP:SIGCOV and WP:NACADEMIC. 4meter4 (talk) 02:44, 2 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete: No reliable, independent sources are cited. Peer-reviewed journals with the subject in the byline are not reliable, independent sources, as they are merely self-published work with editorial oversight. Multi7001 (talk) 18:06, 3 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]
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  • Thank you for finding and adding sources as well as catching the spelling error in the title. I went ahead and moved the page to fix the spelling error. I'll take s look more closely at your additions later today to evaluate whether or not to withdraw this nomination. Best.4meter4 (talk) 14:25, 9 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]
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  • Elemimele, I agree with you. However, I think what Multi7001 was trying to get at is that sources which are authored by the subject lack independence per the written guidelines at GNG; no matter how much editorial oversight there is. That's important in this case as a large percentage of the cited sources in this article were written by the subject. What we are really lacking is any source material which covers this person in depth in an independent source. To quote GNG. "Significant coverage addresses the topic directly and in detail, so that no original research is needed to extract the content." "Independent of the subject" excludes works produced by the article's subject or someone affiliated with it." We are currently lacking a source which provides significant independent coverage on Walter Dunham Claus.4meter4 (talk) 17:10, 17 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • 4meter4 But please do have another look at WP:PROF. The point is this: notability can be achieved by authoring highly-cited works. It's in the specific criteria notes, section 1(a). A citation is an independent recognition of the author. There are basically two ways it can work. We can either find an independent review article that says "Smith's method is used by absolutely everyone", or we can find that a million everyones have cited the paper in which Smith originally described his method. The second situation still makes Smith notable, but obviously we can't list all million times Smith got cited; instead, by convention, we give a reference to Smith's highly-cited paper as evidence of Smith's notability, and it is independent because Smith didn't, and couldn't force anyone cite him. The only thing we could reasonably add to this would be an indication of how many people actually did cite Smith's paper, by reference to some citation index. Conventionally we don't do this because most academics would regard it as superfluous. Incidentally, we also regard academics as notable if they've held a named chair or been chief editor of a high-ranking journal, and neither of these necessarily generates independent coverage. Again, the point is that you can't get to either of these situations unless someone independent of you thinks you're worth it. Elemimele (talk) 19:37, 17 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Elemimele, I can see some merit to the rationale that the subject would meet criteria 3 or 8 of NPROF per User:XOR'easter. I'll admit I was a bit biased against the article to begin with because it was created and largely written by InfoDataMonger (an undisclosed paid editor who is now permanently blocked), and the article title misspelling threw off my BEFORE search. I am happy to change my vote to Keep based on that rationale. Unfortunately there can be no withdrawal because another editor has voted delete.4meter4 (talk) 19:52, 17 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]
    • 4meter4, oh, no, sorry, I'm just confusing the issue here. I don't have any particular opinion on Walter Dunham Claus, and I'm not trying to change your opinion; I only took objection to the idea that widely-cited peer-reviewed papers didn't indicate notability, and particularly I didn't like the term self-published (you may well be right that I misread that editor's intent; I think I took it too personally; I work an an academic field). If you don't think the subject of this article is notable, by all means stick to your guns! Elemimele (talk) 21:38, 17 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Elemimele No harm done. I was already contemplating changing to keep, and this little side trail helped me make a decision. Ultimately I do find XOR'easter's comments convincing. I'm currently getting ready to submit work to a journal for publication myself; so I can understand why you took offense to the label of self published for academic journals. Anybody who has ever gone through the scrutiny of a peer review process, an IRB board review, followed by an editorial board review would object to that label.4meter4 (talk) 22:23, 17 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was delete. plicit 11:09, 23 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Keerthana Sabarish[edit]

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No reliable sources found on a WP: BEFORE. Requesting speedy delete. Sreeram Dilak (talk) 05:40, 2 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. ♠PMC(talk) 07:06, 24 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Ali Al Futtaim[edit]

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Borderline A7. Futtaim has a plausibly notable father and brother, however notability is NOTINHERITED. Lacks significant coverage. Eostrix  (🦉 hoot hoot🦉) 09:03, 17 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. ♠PMC(talk) 03:01, 24 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Am I[edit]

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Non-notable. Spam. See plot.(NPP action) Usedtobecool ☎️ 09:01, 17 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was merge to Michigan Technological University#History, selectively. (non-admin closure) Extraordinary Writ (talk) 17:08, 24 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Women at Michigan Technological University[edit]

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As far as I can tell, fails GNG. Also reads like an essay and I can't identify why it should be on Wikipedia. SportsGuy789 (talk) 20:36, 9 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. ♠PMC(talk) 07:06, 24 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Timo Rost (boxer)[edit]

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My before search found significant coverage in German, however, the reason I've brought this here is because significant coverage in reliable sources creates an assumption, not a guarantee, that a subject merits its own article. Yes, I believe (I only checked one of the German sources) the subject does indeed pass GNG, but I'm here to raise the question of why this subject merits an article. As far as I can tell, Rost's biggest achievements are reaching the semi-final of the German national championships as an amateur, and as a professional, winning an insignificant regional title in 2019 and losing to a former world champion the following year. So, let's just ignore GNG for a second (after all, significant coverage is an assumption that a subject merits an article)...what actually makes this individual notable and worthy of inclusion? 2.O.Boxing 21:21, 9 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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I created the article after concluding a research on Rost in which i was able to pick some good reason why i think this article should not be deleted first of all rost is a professional german boxer and quite popular in germany and other country Beckyrose233

@Beckyrose233: I don't doubt Rost's popularity, but popularity isn't the same as notability. What is it that makes him notable? Being a professional boxer is not noteworthy. – 2.O.Boxing 23:34, 9 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]
@Squared.Circle.Boxing: as I said, I think rost has gained recognition in the boxing industry and for that, I think he quit notable am not even from Germany and I believe have watched a couple of matches featuring rost he has amassed popularity and notability status for him self in the last couple of years Beckyrose233
@Beckyrose233: he definitely doesn't have recognition in the boxing industry; his only real achievement is winning the WBF International title. The WBF is not considered a notable organisation and the International title that Rost won is not listed at Wikipedia:WikiProject Boxing/Title Assessment. Additionally, he's never been listed in any of the rankings (top 10, 15, or 40) by the organisations listed in criteria 3 at WP:NBOX.
Again, I do presume he satisfies WP:GNG, however, in situations such as this I think it's more than reasonable to have a discussion (beyond "passes GNG") to determine what actually makes this individual worthy of inclusion. – 2.O.Boxing 13:23, 10 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Papaursa, your comment just reminded me of the very first statement at GNG, Wikipedia articles cover notable topics—those that have gained sufficiently significant attention by the world at large and over a period of time (bolding mine).
So, the sources I found are in German. The results I get in a standard German-language search all relate to a single fight with Felix Sturm, which received wide coverage in Germany, but basically WP:1E. When amending my search to "before:2020", I get results like: Westdeutsche Zeitung, Rheinische Post, Remscheider General-Anzeiger. I stopped there as I'm using Google translate and am on a mobile device (terribly tedious), but they're outlets that serve the North-Rhine Westphalia region of Germany, so the coverage doesn't appear to be by the world at large after all. I believe this is comparable to a subject only receiving coverage in the Yorkshire region of England or New York State, which I don't think satisfies GNG. – 2.O.Boxing 23:09, 12 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was delete. plicit 10:25, 24 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Zana Messia[edit]

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Created by single-purpose account. Does not demonstrate notability. Re-created after 2 speedy deletions. – Fayenatic London 06:50, 17 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was keep. ♠PMC(talk) 03:00, 24 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

IES Andrés Laguna[edit]

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This is a secondary education campus. Insufficient references for notability. Does not meet WP:N and WP:ORG. Whiteguru (talk) 06:44, 17 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was redirect to Basketball TV. ♠PMC(talk) 03:00, 24 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

NBA Home Video[edit]

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Fails WP:TVSERIES as per article. I think that it is too hard to find sources to make it notable. So not notable. ----Rdp060707|talk 06:39, 17 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. Article was created in violation of Light show's topic ban. CambridgeBayWeather, Uqaqtuq (talk), Huliva 08:36, 18 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Celebrities who have received the COVID-19 vaccine[edit]

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Absolutely not notable. A number of figures in this list aren't even celebrities, but rather politicians. What, are we going to have to create another list called Politicians who have received the COVID-19 vaccine? What about Elderly people who have received the COVID-19 vaccine? New Zealanders who have received the COVID-19 vaccine? Why even point to any of these people in the first place? Unnecessary. Love of Corey (talk) 05:53, 17 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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"Which celebrity would Dr. Anthony Fauci like to publicly get the vaccine?"ABC News
"President Joe Biden, former President Barack Obama and a slew of celebrities including Billy Crystal, Jennifer Hudson and Lin-Manuel Miranda are part of a special aimed at boosting COVID-19 vaccination rates."AP, and was on an NBC prime time special.
Celebrity news beyond trivia is always notable. A review of the sources proves that easily, and those sources are usually focused on the people who had the vaccine. Example sources: People Magazine, USA Today, US Magazine, Glamour, BBC, Fortune, Business Insider, CBS News, Japan Times, Hollywood Reporter, New York Times. The list certainly does no harm to the vaccine issues, but with the controversies about anti-vaxers in the news, it clearly provides important information. At a time like this the benefit and notability of the people listed is obvious. As for including politicians or others that may not be considered celebrities, simply remove them, with a rationale.
The rationales mentioned above for deletion include sillilness, such as why not include a list of all seniors who got a shot, or all New Zealanders. Or that it's simply of list of brunettes, or other American celebrities, or we can simply turn on the TV news. As for one idea mentioned above: List of celebrities who have publicly refused to be vaccinated, that would be a good topic to promote against vaccination, despite the fact that most of the rationales for it are based on misinformation.
This very significant list only includes names, at this point, making it relatively brief. In comparison, a topic like Woody Allen sexual abuse allegation, is about 10,000 words—enough for a small book or scandal sheet. And that's a mere allegation, not a fact. In any case, the celebrities and sources could also be used in context within the main article, which could help balance out all the gratuitious anti-Trump commentary and the commentary about vaccine hesitancy . --Light show (talk) 08:46, 17 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Being that the list is of primarily American celebrities, it would be understandable why it might be attacked as being biased, although no one has mentioned that as reason. So if there are any other editors who are Americans and want to delete the list, that could be helpful to note. Or better yet, if there are any non-U.S. celebrities that should be added to balance the list, feel free to add them.--Light show (talk) 09:23, 17 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • I… don’t even know where to start. While I admire your impassioned defense of your article, it is not a notable or important subject in any way whatsoever. It’s a list of various famous people who did something logical during a pandemic. That’s like “list of notable London inhabitants who took measures to avoid getting blown up during the London Blitz”. Additionally, there is a vast difference between a highly publicized sexual assault accusation that’s been covered and discussed on-and-off for decades and somebody getting a shot. Finally, this isn’t exactly “sudden” when the article has been around for less than a month, and most editors had no idea it existed in that time. Dronebogus (talk) 09:29, 17 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]
While you may not think so, an abundance of news stories from Europe, especially the UK, have been trying to reach and convince skeptics, with some notables boasting about getting vaccinated:

"British Health Secretary Matt Hancock called the 75% milestone a big step forward, but he warned that “a worldwide pandemic of misinformation” threatened the vaccination campaign. ... Hancock said Britain had bolstered vaccine confidence by using “trusted voices” — including naturalist David Attenborough and Queen Elizabeth II — to disclose that they had received a shot and to deliver a pro-vaccine message." AP
"Celebrities are coming forward with their firsthand accounts of receiving the COVID-19 vaccine in an effort to quell skepticism as vaccination efforts roll out across the world. ...Duchess Kate Middleton announced on Twitter that she got her first dose of the COVID-19 vaccine on May 28, a little more than a week after her husband Prince William.  ...Prince William joined #teamvaccinated announcing he got his COVID-19 shot on Twitter.... "On Tuesday (May 18) I received my first dose of the COVID-19 vaccine.  … it was announced that Prince Charles and the Duchess of Cornwall had received their first dose of COVID-19 vaccine. … Queen Elizabeth II, 94, and her husband, Prince Philip, 99, received their COVID-19 vaccinations, according to Buckingham Palace. ... "Yesterday I received my first dose of the COVID-19 vaccine at London’s Science Museum. ‘’USA Today’’
"Covid vaccine: PM receives AstraZeneca jab as he urges public to do same."BBC --Light show (talk) 18:06, 17 September 2021 (UTC)

  • Note:The article at issue has been modified to add context and a lead to the list of names. The list is now a subsection to support key aspects of the article. --Light show (talk) 19:19, 17 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]
And with articles like this one, despite the attack on its viability, we may actually catch up to you guys.[5] watch us. --Light show (talk) 23:27, 17 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was speedy delete - WP:CSD#G5. – filelakeshoe (t / c) 🐱 12:44, 22 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Rahul Borole[edit]

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Fails WP:NBIO. Lacks significant coverage in reliable sources that are independent of the subject. The sources provided have disclaimers stating that the content was republished from a press-release, with no editorial changes. KH-1 (talk) 05:53, 17 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. plicit 11:09, 23 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Michael Stefano (trainer)[edit]

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Doesn't meet WP:BIO or WP:GNG. Has been in CAT:NN for 12 years; hopefully, we can now resolve this. Boleyn (talk) 18:20, 2 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was redirect to Steel Panther. ♠PMC(talk) 07:06, 24 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Stix Zadinia[edit]

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DOesn't appear to meet WP:MUSICBIO or WP:GNG independent of Steel Panther. Possible WP:ATD is merge/redirect to Steel Panther. Boleyn (talk) 18:23, 2 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. The summary argument by Extraordinary Writ explains why deletion has consensus. Ritchie333 (talk) (cont) 15:37, 25 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Eric Baus[edit]

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Does not appear to meet WP:BASIC; has no WP:SIGCOV on his career and has been in CAT:NN for almost 12 years, so let's resolve this. – DarkGlow • 19:31, 2 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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  • How does "Assistant Director and Faculty Advisor" satisfy NACADEMIC #5. Is there even such a thing as a "named assistant chair"? Clarityfiend (talk) 07:14, 10 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was no consensus. (non-admin closure) ––FormalDude talk 11:42, 24 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

List of Los Angeles television stations[edit]

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Unusual list duplicates ((LA TV)) without imparting much new material. Page is orphaned. Sammi Brie (she/her • tc) 01:07, 10 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was no consensus. (non-admin closure) ––FormalDude talk 11:41, 24 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

List of television stations in the San Francisco Bay Area[edit]

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We don't have any other topic overviews of TV stations by market in this style. The contents lack citations and duplicate ((SF TV)) and the various pages featured. Sammi Brie (she/her • tc) 00:53, 10 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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While generally true, [[WP:NMEDIALIST]] provides more specific elaboration ~ Shushugah (he/him • talk) 15:45, 10 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]
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How I'd organize it, albeit a lower quality example, is Radio in Guyana, where there's a general topic summary, then that sortable list that directs interested parties to read in detail. I think it's better for people who aren't enthusiasts but perhaps need a general idea for personal or educational purposes. Plus that makes coming up with sources easier and more tidy.
Checking again, I see that there's Media in the San Francisco Bay Area that also contains dupes of corresponding List articles. This is a very annoying problem because WP contradicts itself due to different editors managing and updating lists (and being totally unaware of other lists, a problem I experience frequently). There's a few different ways this could be handled, but if "TV in the bay area" is considered a significant enough topic, (sure, why not?) merge the TV section from Media in the San Francisco Bay Area into this page and change this from a list article into a prose one. That way any new additions to Bay Area TV would be directed right away to add it here only. Estheim (talk) 01:07, 21 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was soft delete. Based on minimal participation, this uncontroversial nomination is treated as an expired PROD (a.k.a. "soft deletion"). Editors can request the article's undeletion. plicit 11:10, 23 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Bill Appleberry[edit]

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Record producers don't get an article because they were the mixing engineer in the credits of a song that charted. Otherwise, he fails WP:GNG and WP:NMUSIC Mottezen (talk) 03:36, 2 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. MBisanz talk 18:07, 25 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

892 (film)[edit]

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Future film that has not received significant coverage, all coverage has been run-of-the-mill casting/production coverage by trades, production has not been particularly notable as required by WP:NFF, despite filming wrapping. Would be best to be in draft space until notability is established BOVINEBOY2008 22:43, 2 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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No, I mean the Afd of course. scope_creepTalk 19:05, 17 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]
At this point the coverage is still too thin and is not in-depth enough to warrant an article. Draftify is the best option.4meter4 (talk) 21:10, 24 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was keep. – filelakeshoe (t / c) 🐱 09:17, 24 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

The Three 4 Tens[edit]

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They don't meet WP:NBAND or WP:GNG. Boleyn (talk) 19:02, 2 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was keep. Editors who voted "keep" are encouraged to add sources to the article based on the research indicated below to prevent renomination in the near future. (non-admin closure) ASTIG😎 (ICE TICE CUBE) 03:30, 24 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Hiwaga sa Bahay na Bato[edit]

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Fails WP:RS, WP:GNG and WP:TVSHOW. SeanJ 2007 (talk) 03:23, 17 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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@Matt91486: The reference you mentioned is not reliable. Please find other sources that is reliable for the said subject. Thank You! SeanJ 2007 (talk) 05:25, 20 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]
@SeanJ 2007: These are literally scholarly reviewed academic research journals, the pinnacle of WP:RS. "Perspectives in the Arts & Humanities Asia", the first Google Scholar search hit, is from the Ateneo de Manila University, If you are a Filipino who has access to the internet you know what "The" Ateneo is. Howard the Duck (talk) 13:10, 20 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was keep. – filelakeshoe (t / c) 🐱 09:16, 24 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Stoppomat[edit]

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Exists, but doesn't appear to meet WP:N. After 12 years in CAT:NN, hopefully we can now resolve this. Boleyn (talk) 18:32, 2 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was keep. (non-admin closure) Extraordinary Writ (talk) 04:46, 24 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Sussie 4[edit]

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Doesn't meet WP:NBAND or WP:GNG. Boleyn (talk) 18:34, 2 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. ♠PMC(talk) 02:58, 24 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Jean-François Tremblay[edit]

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WP:BLP of a civil servant, not properly referenced as having any strong claim to passing WP:NPOL. This was originally written (I've corrected it) to describe the subject as a "politician", but that's not accurate: "deputy minister" is a civil service role that just makes him a bureaucrat, and not a political office that would garner him an automatic free pass over NPOL #1 -- and the sole "reference" is his staff profile on the self-published website of the ministry he works for, rather than any evidence of media coverage about his work in the role to get him over WP:GNG for it. Simply put, existing as a person with a job is not "inherently" notable enough to exempt him from having to have a lot more than just a staff profile on his own employer's website for sourcing. Bearcat (talk) 03:25, 17 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was merge to Hazard symbol#Ionizing radiation symbol. MBisanz talk 18:06, 25 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

ISO 361[edit]

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I prodded it with the following rationale: "This article suggests that this ISO is about a symbol, a claim not backed up by sources, nor mentioned in Hazard_symbol#Ionizing_radiation_symbol nor Ionizing_radiation#Radiation_hazard_warning_signs. The coverage (references, external links, etc.) does not seem sufficient to justify this article passing Wikipedia:General notability guideline requirement. WP:BEFORE did not reveal any significant coverage on Gnews, Gbooks or Gscholar. Note: if there is no arguments to the contrary, I propose redirecting to List of International Organization for Standardization standards, 1-4999 per WP:SOFTDELETE and WP:ATD" It was deprodded by User:Spinningspark with the following rationale "deprod. I don't know why you have doubt what this standard is for. The ISO link plainly says it. At worst a merge case, no need for deletion". However, there is no referenced content to merge and further, I stand by my view that this article is confusing - is the standard just a symbol? While this may be the case, the lack of references, confirmation in other relevant articles, and general lack of notability in the current sub-stub reinforce my view that this should be redirected (unless someone can expand it; I'll note the German article is longer, but similarly poorly referenced). IMHO unless notability can be shown, a redirect to the ISO list of symbols is sufficient, although it might be good to expand the tiny entry there to link to the articles I mention in my first sentence. Last thought: it may be that the symbol family is in fact notable, culturally-wise, and someone could write an article on this, but if so, it should be under radiation hazard warning signs, discussing cultural references/recognition, etc. At that point, once a proper article exists, this could be redirected there instead. Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 02:36, 17 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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  • Clarified my vote since, in the light of the squabble above, it is necessary to state the obvious: a blind redirect would not happen, it would redirect to a section or anchor that enumerated and described the relevant ISO standard(s). And ANSI, BS, EUN and anything else relevant if it comes to that. Sigh. --John Maynard Friedman (talk) 19:20, 17 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was keep. Malcolmxl5 (talk) 01:00, 24 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Miriam Benjamin[edit]

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Notable only for inaccurate claims made about her in the past few years, e.g. the Thoughco article referenced. Qwirkle (talk) 01:00, 17 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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If you didn’t see the thoughtco article, then you didn’t actually read the article. It is the first reference.

You should strike your vote until you have actually read it and the cites. Qwirkle (talk) 15:07, 17 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

The first reference has about.com, not thoughco in the reference so no, I didn't automatically realise that was the reference you were talking about. It's also still unclear what you think is inaccurate about the article. The source that you're referring to doesn't refute the information in Benjamin's article. If you think some of the information is incorrect then it would be helpful to be specific about what that is. Suonii180 (talk) 15:49, 17 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]
…Which is to say you didn’t actually read the first reference. “Thoughtco” appears in very, very big letters on it, right at the top.

Nearly every single fact in the article aside from biography is wrong, by the look of it, and most of the cites are the sort of dreck that makes this unsurprising. Qwirkle (talk) 16:08, 17 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

I checked the sources which I recognised to be reputable sources such as the JSTOR article, the blackpast.org article and the Smithsonian article which all collaborate the information on Benjamin's article. You need to be specific on exactly which paragraph you think is incorrect. Also, the deletion process is not just based on the sources already in the article. As nominator, it's your responsibility to do a WP:BEFORE check which I don't think you did as there are numerous results that provide secondary source about her such as [7] [8] [9] Suonii180 (talk) 16:26, 17 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]
You do realize that the first cite is already mentioned in the existing references…i.e, you are stacking cites[?]

You do realize that the references for your second cite explicitly refute the idea that this was adopted for the Capitol?

Do you really think that a cite which records the “McCoy” canard is that credible? Qwirkle (talk) 16:47, 17 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Even ignoring the sources from a two minute search you should have done before nominating the article, she has enough notability to pass WP:GNG. As you cannot specifically say which part of the article is incorrect [other than the capitol information] then I'm going to remain with my keep opinion and leave it at that. Suonii180 (talk) 17:14, 17 September 2021 (UTC) - scored out the capitol part as it sounded like I thought the info was inaccurate which I don't. I merely meant that my opinion hasn't changed even if the source mentioned above is ignored. Suonii180 (talk) 17:45, 17 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]
No matter how many times you trot out the false assertion that a search was not done before nominating, it remains false. As I explicitly mention above, the first source was already visible just by fully reading the article, down to the roots…so why didn’t you see it?Qwirkle (talk) 17:19, 17 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]
The “capitol part” is, in fact inaccurate, as anyone…anyone else, by the look of it… who actually reads the sources right effin’ here, and in the article will see. Miss Benjamin’s system, and others like it, no doubt, were proposed, but rejected against more modern technology, electricity. Qwirkle (talk) 18:17, 17 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]
I think given that it has now been documented in the article that MEB was notable as a composer, in a minor way, perhaps, but a real one, it’s safe to withdraw this AfD.

That said, the other references are not sound. They are listicle glurge. Real inventors will show up in actual technical documents, in advertising, in the patents, descriptions, and lawsuits surrounding other patents. Miss Benjamin -as an inventor of signaling systems- only shows in ethnocentric or gender-based glurge. Compare this with, say, Frederick McKinley Jones or Stephanie Kwolek. As an inventor, Miss Benjamin only appears notable for the mythology based on her. Qwirkle (talk) 17:19, 19 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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