The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.
The result was delete. ♠PMC♠ (talk) 07:06, 24 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]
My before search found significant coverage in German, however, the reason I've brought this here is because significant coverage in reliable sources creates an assumption, not a guarantee, that a subject merits its own article. Yes, I believe (I only checked one of the German sources) the subject does indeed pass GNG, but I'm here to raise the question of why this subject merits an article. As far as I can tell, Rost's biggest achievements are reaching the semi-final of the German national championships as an amateur, and as a professional, winning an insignificant regional title in 2019 and losing to a former world champion the following year. So, let's just ignore GNG for a second (after all, significant coverage is an assumption that a subject merits an article)...what actually makes this individual notable and worthy of inclusion?2.O.Boxing 21:21, 9 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]
I created the article after concluding a research on Rost in which i was able to pick some good reason why i think this article should not be deleted first of all rost is a professional german boxer and quite popular in germany and other country Beckyrose233
@Beckyrose233: I don't doubt Rost's popularity, but popularity isn't the same as notability. What is it that makes him notable? Being a professional boxer is not noteworthy. – 2.O.Boxing 23:34, 9 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]
@Squared.Circle.Boxing: as I said, I think rost has gained recognition in the boxing industry and for that, I think he quit notable am not even from Germany and I believe have watched a couple of matches featuring rost he has amassed popularity and notability status for him self in the last couple of years Beckyrose233
@Beckyrose233: he definitely doesn't have recognition in the boxing industry; his only real achievement is winning the WBF International title. The WBF is not considered a notable organisation and the International title that Rost won is not listed at Wikipedia:WikiProject Boxing/Title Assessment. Additionally, he's never been listed in any of the rankings (top 10, 15, or 40) by the organisations listed in criteria 3 at WP:NBOX.
Again, I do presume he satisfies WP:GNG, however, in situations such as this I think it's more than reasonable to have a discussion (beyond "passes GNG") to determine what actually makes this individual worthy of inclusion. – 2.O.Boxing 13:23, 10 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Question/Comment Where is the coverage that shows he meets WP:GNG? I did an admittedly quick check, in English, and found lots of routine sports reporting and promoting but little that convinces me the WP:GNG is met. It's clear he fails to meet WP:NBOX, so meeting WP:GNG becomes important. I think that if GNG is met, then the question of why he's notable is a bit irrelevant because, in my opinion, the world at large would have indicated he's WP notable and that trumps any editor's viewpoint. Papaursa (talk) 21:48, 12 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Papaursa, your comment just reminded me of the very first statement at GNG, Wikipedia articles cover notable topics—those that have gained sufficiently significant attention by the world at large and over a period of time (bolding mine).
So, the sources I found are in German. The results I get in a standard German-language search all relate to a single fight with Felix Sturm, which received wide coverage in Germany, but basically WP:1E. When amending my search to "before:2020", I get results like: Westdeutsche Zeitung, Rheinische Post, Remscheider General-Anzeiger. I stopped there as I'm using Google translate and am on a mobile device (terribly tedious), but they're outlets that serve the North-Rhine Westphalia region of Germany, so the coverage doesn't appear to be by the world at large after all. I believe this is comparable to a subject only receiving coverage in the Yorkshire region of England or New York State, which I don't think satisfies GNG. – 2.O.Boxing 23:09, 12 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, – filelakeshoe (t / c) 🐱 08:31, 17 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Delete He definitely fails the notability criteria for boxers at WP:NBOX. My own search of both English and some German sources did not show what I consider sufficient significant coverage to meet WP:GNG. Papaursa (talk) 01:39, 18 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]
The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.