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The result was delete. Mojo Hand (talk) 14:12, 22 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Henry Betzalel

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Non notable artist with lack of independent RS to establish GNG or NARTIST. Florence Biennial is a Vanity exhibition. See: User:Theredproject/Predatory Exhibitions and Vanity Galleries. The only source that is even close to being an RS is the Time Out piece which never mentions the artists, and is only about the person represented in the sculpture. The artists' website is offline, and I couldn't find anything. Theredproject (talk) 23:28, 14 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete search finds no WP:SIGCOV. He is mentioned as the sculptor under the name, "Henry Bezalel Tsafir" in this 2014 article in Arutz Sheva Channel 7 and it goes on to say, "one of the most promising sculptors in the new Israeli art scene." which implies he was not notable, even when this work was created. In this 2014 "Scooper" press release (which is not a reliable source but was used as a citation in the related WP article, The Zionist Journey) it reads he was in a lawsuit over his name not being used on the sculpture. Jooojay (talk) 03:13, 15 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Comment - Also there is a possible COI in edits, based on the user name of an editor being very close to the article subject name.Jooojay (talk) 03:24, 15 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Delete Wikipedia is not a platform for people to create articles on themselves.John Pack Lambert (talk) 17:10, 15 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. North America¹⁰⁰⁰ 04:05, 22 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Wolfgang Bauer (artist)

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Non notable painter fails NARTIST and GNG, for lack of independent RS. Florence Biennale is a Vanity exhibition. Was discussed in 2007 and strangely was kept, despite three !Delete, and only one !Keep from the article creator based on an WP:OTHER argument. The page on de wiki was deleted in 2007 [1] Theredproject (talk) 23:04, 14 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete search finds no WP:SIGCOV.ThatMontrealIP (talk) 23:31, 14 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Delete - Article contains zero verifiable sourcing. An online search turned up nothing on this artist. GNG & NARTIST fail. Netherzone (talk) 23:36, 14 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Delete - no WP:SIGCOV. I only found two articles and they look like blogs and don't look like reliable sources per WP:RS. [2][3] Jooojay (talk) 02:08, 16 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Comment a possible COI - a quick google search of the name of an early editor of this article "Gericproperties", shows on LinkedIn its a similar name (Geric Properties LLC) of a company owned by Wolfgang Bauer (an artist, with the same credentials). Jooojay (talk) 02:08, 16 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was keep. BD2412 T 22:56, 21 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Charles Carroll Wood

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This page was previously deleted in January 2020 for failing notability:Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Charles Carroll Wood, the page was recreated recently with many more references, largely obituaries from the time, added, however there is nothing new added that establishes notability. Being "the first Canadian Officer to fall in battle during the Boer War." lacks RS and is a questionable basis for notability. Doesn't meet any of WP:SOLDIER. The page and the new references added seem to be more about his notable ancestors than him, but notability is WP:NOTINHERITED Mztourist (talk) 07:08, 29 April 2020 (UTC) Since proposing this AFD many more references have been added which has turned this into the most OBITUARY and MEMORIAL page I have ever seen. However all the sources that I can access are focussed on his notable family rather than Wood himself and so my original basis is unchanged, notability is NOTINHERITED. Mztourist (talk) 10:44, 13 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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33 references have been added from newspapers and sources across the world. I do not believe that any of these references were used in the inadequately referenced article that was deleted in January 2020 AlexdeGrey (talk) 08:52, 29 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Delete: the references added don't seem to be particularly focused on him, and besides that he doesn't seem to meet WP:SOLDIER either. "First to die in a war" isn't necessarily notable. Swordman97 ^{talk to me} 17:54, 2 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Keep An Obituary in The New York Times, Lieut. C. C. Wood's Career, Monday, November 13, 1899, p.2, and several other national newspapers demonstrates notability in multiple jurisdictions AlexdeGrey (talk) AlexdeGrey (talk) 19:47, 2 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

If it is an obituary published by a major newspaper (e.g., Guardian, New York Times, Los Angeles Times, etc.), these are articles which have the same editorial oversight as other articles in those publications. Such editorially-reviewed obituaries are appropriate sources to establish notability' https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Notability/Noticeboard/Archive_1#Obituaries) (talk) AlexdeGrey (talk) 15:08, 16 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Weak keep -- The interest taken by the Queen in the death and coverage in 33 newspapers (though they were no doubt copying each other) probably just about makes this notable. Peterkingiron (talk) 15:23, 3 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]
- One reference which we can't access online is the only apparent source for Queen Victoria's interest. Mztourist (talk) 12:58, 4 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  - The Times-Democrat, New Orleans, Louisiana, USA. Thursday, 9 January 1913, p.10: 'When Lieut. Charles Carroll Wood of the English army, aged twenty three, was killed in Belmont in November, 1899, during the late Boer War, Queen Victoria wrote a letter of sympathy to his family, and at her request Lieut. Wood's portrait was sent to her at Windsor' (talk)AlexdeGrey (talk) 19:11, 14 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]
    - General Zachary Taylor: The Louisiana President of the United States of America by James Joseph Alcée. Louisiana's Part in the War with Mexico. Published by Louisiana State Museum, 1937, p.48. Queen Victoria acknowledged receipt of Lieut. Wood's portrait on Jan.17, 1900 (talk) AlexdeGrey (talk) 22:11, 14 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]
      - The reference to Queen Victoria can also be found on page 59 of this online book: CONFEDERATE SEADOG, John Taylor Wood in War and Exile, by John Bell, p.59. Published by McFarland & Company Inc., Publishers of Jefferson, North Carolina and London, 2002 ISBN 0786413522 (talk)AlexdeGrey (talk) 08:04, 15 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Comment It is also notable that his memorial service was in a Cathedral, officiated by a Bishop and attended by a General, in uniform AlexdeGrey (talk) AlexdeGrey (talk)AlexdeGrey (talk) 16:22, 3 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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Weak Keep - based on the comments of AlexdeGrey and Peterkingiron. There does seem to be a lot of sources talking about him, and he seems to have received notoriety due to the Queen's interest and having a small community named after him. That said, I have a hard time judging these borderline calls, particularly concerning a man who died more than a hundred years ago, and whom I had never heard of before. Alternatively, it might be appropriate to pair this down and merge it into a section of Chaswood, Nova Scotia.--Darryl Kerrigan (talk) 00:51, 17 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep Seems to be more than enough mentions in RS to pass WP:GNG. NB: I don't know if 29 fotnotes on one sentence is a record, but it's got to be up there. Hawkeye7 (discuss) 22:01, 17 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Keep- Even though there is a WP:CITEKILL problem in the 1st paragraph, the subject's notability has been demonstrated by previous comments. Username⁶⁸⁹² 20:11, 21 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. Well, that's quite the damning source analysis. ♠PMC♠ (talk) 23:23, 22 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Nexford University

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This fails WP:NCORP, which is what it is. A for profit "university" that is unaccredited is a business and does not fall under what we on Wikipedia consider a school in terms of WP:SCHOOLOUTCOMES etc... the only sources are either unreliable, blatant PR, listings or black hat SEO spam. Praxidicae (talk) 13:05, 6 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Keep:The article is not a black hat SEO or spam. It is an educational University. And the article is regularly monitored by ElKevbo since it was published. Rest depends on the discussion by other editors. Jai49 (talk) 13:51, 6 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

BS. Not a single source here is independent coverage. this is pr garbage, this is paid pr spam, this isn't coverage and this is written by their "start up leader" Praxidicae (talk) 14:30, 6 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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Here are examples of sources that do mention the university which could be used:

Weak keep The institution isn't accredited in the United States so we need to turn to the available sources to determine if this subject is otherwise notable. One of the sources included in the current article was written by the founder of the institution so it's not a very good source for establishing notability although it should still count for something considering that it's not self-published. I don't know anything about the other sources cited in the article; a quick glance doesn't throw any immediate red flags and I'm being generous in my !vote by assuming that they're reliable. If that isn't the case, my !vote would change to delete unless other sources can be provided. ElKevbo (talk) 15:15, 6 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Which sources in this article are independent coverage, ElKevbo? Praxidicae (talk) 15:19, 6 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Praxidicae, I have added few references, These must be independent reliable such as nipc.gov and Pitchbook, Forbes and many others. Jai49 (talk) 04:46, 7 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Jai49 I would expect someone of your tenure to know better. this isn't reliable and it isn't independent. The government website is also not independent coverage. It's a listing. Governments aren't in the business of journalism. Praxidicae (talk) 12:13, 7 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Delete as a WP:CORP/WP:ORG failure. None of the cited sources meet the WP:ORGDEPTH standard. An independent search only finds more sponsored content. The school's UK-based accrediting agency has a spotty record for vetting institutions. That tips the balance for me against giving it a pass as an independently-accredited degree-granting institution. • Gene93k (talk) 15:39, 6 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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http://venturesafrica.com/clayton-christensen-an-inspiration-behind-nexford-universitys-innovative-online-model/	Sponsored post	Sponsored post	~ Obituary of founder.	✘ No
https://thenationonlineng.net/building-skills-for-jobs-entrepreneurship/	Nigerian news website.	~ News website; although article appears sponsored.	Profiles two partnerships by the organisation with other organisations	✘ No
https://www.accessmba.com/school/nexford-university	~ Independent website. Content direct copy from organisation.	List of organisations providing MBA.	List of organisations providing MBAs	✘ No
https://punchng.com/sterling-bank-ibm-nexford-varsity-to-empower-students/	Nigerian newspaper.	Direct copy of press release		✘ No
https://www.forbes.com/sites/theyec/2019/03/20/10-entrepreneurs-share-their-most-important-early-business-decisions/#403d7797479b	Paid program.		Quote from representative of organisation, in an article of quotes.	✘ No
https://www.linkedin.com/pulse/challenger-universities-pt-3a-university-landscape-mario-barosevcic/?trackingId=a9JfLyTPSVmVpPhJudy17Q%3D%3D	Organisation is not mentioned in the article.			? Unknown
https://www.linkedin.com/pulse/challenger-universities-pt-1-does-higher-educations-2tn-barosevcic/?trackingId=F6Cb6HjaTiSfX42N0QXWBA%3D%3D	Organisation is not mentioned in the article.			? Unknown
https://medium.com/emerge-edtech-insights/does-higher-educations-2tn-global-market-have-space-for-something-new-794feeef5522	Organisation is not mentioned in the article.			? Unknown
https://medium.com/emerge-edtech-insights/challenger-universities-pt-3a-the-challenger-university-landscape-f7300bce7db2	Organisation is not mentioned in the article.			? Unknown
https://www.fastcompany.com/90357717/rethinking-the-cost-of-college-education	Thinkpiece authored by one of the founders of the organisation.	~		✘ No
https://www.vanguardngr.com/2019/09/banky-w-osei-others-for-nexford-open-day-on-saturday/	Reprint of a press release			✘ No
https://www.thisdaylive.com/index.php/2019/09/25/nexford-varsity-moves-to-connect-education-with-workplace/	Press release re organisation's open day.	~ Independent newspaper.	~	✘ No
https://www.dailytrust.com.ng/banky-w-osei-others-to-attend-nexfords-open-day-tomorrow.html	Reprint of a press release			✘ No
https://dailypost.ng/2019/10/02/business-survive-without-banky-w-tells-nexford-attendees/	Promoted article regarding organisations' open day.			✘ No
https://www.forbes.com/sites/theyec/2019/03/20/10-entrepreneurs-share-their-most-important-early-business-decisions/#76471c69479b	Same as source 5			✘ No
https://nipc.gov.ng/2019/02/14/nexford-varsity-launches-online-degrees-for-nigerian-students/	Press release from Nigerian Investment Promotion Commission.			✘ No
https://www2.ed.gov/admins/finaid/accred/accreditation_pg6.html	List of US organisations which accredit education providers.			? Unknown
https://www.al-fanarmedia.org/2019/03/3-key-lessons-for-online-or-blended-education/		~	One line quote from founder of the organisation in article about online education in general	✘ No
https://pitchbook.com/profiles/company/227415-25	~ Company profile on an information aggregator website	No idea where info comes from; likely user supplied.	Lists names of key people, dates, valuation.	✘ No
https://www.sunnewsonline.com/nexford-university-sterling-bank-ibm-to-empower-african-students/	Reprint of press release regarding partnership between this organisation and a couple of others.		~	✘ No
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Delete - Non-notable organisation. Source analysis above. --Jack Frost (talk) 11:50, 22 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Delete non-notable university, founded just two years ago, and lacking any evidence of notability. GSS ^💬 12:31, 22 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. qedk (t 愛 c) 08:36, 22 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Alexandre Beridze

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Promotional article that fails NARTIST with no indepedent RS that cover the subject in detail. Florence Biennale is a Vanity exhibition (see User:Theredproject/Predatory Exhibitions and Vanity Galleries) Theredproject (talk) 21:49, 14 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete I saw some minor coverage in French and Russian, but nothing else. GNG fail.ThatMontrealIP (talk) 01:23, 15 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Delete an overly promotional article.John Pack Lambert (talk) 16:58, 15 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. ♠PMC♠ (talk) 23:13, 22 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

SCLC New Orleans (LA) Chapter

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Does not read encyclopedic and possibly contains original research. A a s i m 20:46, 14 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete. Article is indeed promotional in tone and full of OR in content, and looks like it was written by a COI editor. Relevant content is already found in Southern Christian Leadership Conference--this is not a case of one chapter being obviously notable in its own right. Drmies (talk) 02:12, 18 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Delete, for reasons stated by Drmies. Anything important should probably be moved to the Southern Christian Leadership Conference page if it's not already there and can be properly sourced, but as this is currently written, it's not encyclopedic and portions violate WP:PROMOTION. Also, I can't figure out why the references are listed the way they are. Kalethan (talk) 20:39, 22 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]
- Kalethan, it is because LALeBan didn't read WP:INLINECITE, and instead of making footnotes that would be gathered in a reflist, they used the "ref" template like this, <ref>1</ref>, to make superscript notes in the text (they could have used the superscript tag for it, had they known what they were doing); there is a bot that automatically adds a reflist at the bottom of the text when it sees "ref" tags but no reflist template. They've been here since 2011, and unfortunately they are not, apparently, inclined to participate here. Drmies (talk) 20:57, 22 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was soft delete. Based on minimal participation, this uncontroversial nomination is treated as an expired PROD (a.k.a. "soft deletion"). Editors can request the article's undeletion. North America¹⁰⁰⁰ 04:10, 22 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Jorge Valdes

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Non-notable boxer that fails NBOX and GNG. – ².O.^Boxing 19:41, 14 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete a non-notable boxer.John Pack Lambert (talk) 18:45, 18 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was Editorial solution to be found. I am closing the following AfDs together: Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Hungarian names in space, Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Serbian names in space, Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Thai names in space. Considering all three AfDs together, there is no consensus to delete the articles outright, but consensus that something should be done editorially to better organize this kind of content. Various discussions to this end are currently ongoing. If they do not come to a conclusion soon, the articles can be redirected or merged at will, since we do have consensus here not to keep them as they are. Sandstein 15:23, 25 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Thai names in space

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OR list. MistyGraceWhite (talk) 19:53, 29 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]

I don't think it looks like Original Research. There are plenty of references to support the list elements. Avram25 (talk) 20:27, 29 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]

@ User:Avram25. Sources should didcsuss the elements as a list. There are not any of those. MistyGraceWhite (talk) 20:35, 29 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]

C - I can't read Thai but The fourth reference seems to contain such a list. Avram25 (talk) 20:44, 29 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]

The above ping was to the wrong person. You probably meant to ping MistyGraceWhite. --Paul_012 (talk) 09:37, 30 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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Comment: As mentioned elsewhere, the three sources I added to the article are the only ones I could find (apart from blogs) that cover the objects as a group. The IOAA 2017 Newsletter article covers all of them, the Thai Astronomical Society covers Martian and Venusian features, and the Siamrath reprint of a NARIT article covers the asteroids, though it's not quite complete. These might be just enough to support the list grouping, taking it beyond original synthesis, but I'm not quite convinced either way. --Paul_012 (talk) 09:44, 30 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]

@User:Paul 012 and User:Avram25 I also looked at the sources and searched for them before nominating, but apart from a blog and one newsletter no source mentions them all as a group. There may be sourcing for Thai asteriod names, or Thai crater names, but the list Thai names in space is even then OR. MistyGraceWhite (talk) 09:57, 30 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]

@MistyGraceWhite: It looks to me like it's a better option to keep such a list like this one, instead of splitting it into Thai crater names, Thai asteroid names etc. After all, the reader is more interested about an entire list than about small separate lists. Avram25 (talk) 19:39, 30 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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Comment Suggest withdrawing and waiting for Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Astronomy#Countries in space to come to a conclusion, then re-nominating if required. --Elmidae (talk · contribs) 20:33, 1 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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Merge see my comment at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Serbian names in space. While sources don't necessarily discuss Thai names in space, they definitely discuss names in space in general (I can provide sources for this, if someone wants me to, but I think it's fairly obvious). Sam-2727 (talk) 17:11, 16 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was Keep. Nominator has withdrawn the nomination, and consensus indicates the subject is notable. (non-admin closure) Devonian Wombat (talk) 05:42, 22 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Acharya Visuddh Sagar ji Maharaj

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The creator of this article is determined to push it into mainspace. They have redirected a draft version to the mainspace article, and when I moved the mainspace article back to draft today, the creator had moved it back. The topic is very likely to be notable but the sourcing is not adequate. Without reliable independent sources the article can’t stay in mainspace, so here we are. Mccapra (talk) 18:41, 14 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete a non-notable monk.John Pack Lambert (talk) 20:04, 14 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Comment It is always problematic for new page reviewers, when the creator of an article is determined to push it to the mainspace, irrespective of what it will cost. Mccapra, if you encounter problems such as this again in the future, try contacting me on my talkpage, let me move it back without leaving a redirect, Best.—Nnadigoodluck🇳🇬 17:01, 15 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Delete Article about a non-notable subject that fails WP:GNG.—Nnadigoodluck🇳🇬 17:01, 15 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Keep and move to Vishuddhasagar. Meets WP:GNG per [4][5][6][7][8] Per WP:NEXIST, non-English sources are acceptable. Note that I cited Patrika, Dainik Bhaskar which are reliable sources. Capankajsmilyo (talk) 02:39, 17 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Keep and move' per above. While cleanup is in order, the subject is indeed notable. NavjotSR (talk) 03:14, 17 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Comment Thank you Capankajsmilyo thank you for finding those. Of the five you point out, 1 and 4 are the same thing, and I’m going to assume that 2 isn’t independent. Anyway that means there are three reports in mainstream media that may confirm the subject’s notability. My proposal then is to add those references to the article and to remove information in it at the moment which doesn’t have good sources. Mccapra (talk) 08:57, 17 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

OK I’ve done it now. The new sources are in to support notability. Unsourced material is out. I’ve kept the non-independent sources to support specific details of his life. This is what I wanted Aayushmamu04 to do themselves in draft space. Just repeatedly pushing a badly-written article into mainspace when other editors are trying to get it developed as a draft is not a good way of working on Wikipedia. Mccapra (talk) 09:21, 17 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Keep per good work by Capankajsmilyo.Pharaoh of the Wizards (talk) 13:50, 17 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Withdrawing nomination. Mccapra (talk) 14:00, 17 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was speedy keep. Nomination withdrawn. (non-admin closure) KittenKlub (talk) 22:33, 14 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Pikin Santi

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Withdrawn by nominator. @Fentener van Vlissingen:You just created a beautiful story out of thin air. Chapeau! because a web search turned triggered my disappointment. Also per Mccapra BTW. KittenKlub (talk) 22:33, 14 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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Pikin Santi is non-notable village. A quick search brings up a wordpress document which says that population was 60.[9] Only resorts are in the Suriname census. The information in the document could be transferred to the resort Wanhatti, but the only information are the names of captain which cannot be verified. KittenKlub (talk) 18:26, 14 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

What exactly are the criteria for notability of a village? There are very few Amerindian or Maroon villages with more than 60 inhabitants, even the residencies of the granman of the Maroon nations (Asidonhopo, Diitabiki, Langatabiki, Pusugrunu, Witagron) don't usually exceed that number. I guess you could nominate all villages in this category for deletion. Fentener van Vlissingen (talk) 20:05, 14 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

@Fentener van Vlissingen:It's more a combination. Langatabiki has an article. The problem is providing information more than the obvious about these tiny villages. If I search for the village, there are some travel stories and that's it. It is a Ndyuka village, so it's fully autonomous from the Suriname government which makes finding any sources even harder. There are pages about the resorts and there is reasonably reliable information about the total number of inhabitants. KittenKlub (talk) 20:14, 14 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

@KittenKlub: I can't say I agree. Köbben spent some time in Pikin Santi during his anthropological fieldwork and published quite some ethnographic material about the place. Pikin Santi is also mentioned in the book by Polimé and Thoden van Velzen about the Interior War and is mentioned in the Moiwana trial. If you search for Pikin Santi on Google Books there are plenty of hits, all from highly relevant material. Fentener van Vlissingen (talk) 22:34, 14 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Keep. Not sure if this place is legally recognised; if it is, it’s notable under WP:GEOLAND. If not, there are enough mentions of it in RIS to pass GNG. Mccapra (talk) 20:55, 14 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

@Mccapra:In that case I'll withdraw. The recognition is not the problem. The village exists and it's on the map. KittenKlub (talk) 21:03, 14 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

@Mccapra:Yes, this village is legally recognized by the Surinamese authorities. Since the 1760 peace between the Ndyuka and the Dutch colonial authorities, the captains of Ndyuka villages are recognized as traditional authorities (Dutch: traditioneel gezag) and receive salaries paid for by the state. Fentener van Vlissingen (talk) 22:34, 14 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Comment. No rush, that’s just my opinion. Other editors may have other views. Mccapra (talk) 21:05, 14 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

@Mccapra:I'm going to leave it open for now. KittenKlub (talk) 21:08, 14 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was withdrawn by nominator. 2 qualifying sources have been located, satisfying concerns over WP:CORP. (non-admin closure) Dps04 (talk) 19:40, 14 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Proton Electronic

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I searched for "Proton Electronic" or "普騰電子" (corresponding Chinese name), but found no significant coverage of this company anywhere outside of company profiles, blogs and the company website. The news reference in Chicago Tribune cited in the article is nothing more than a press review / release of a product released by Proton, and the company's name is mentioned in passing. Fails WP:CORP. Dps04 (talk) 18:27, 14 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep this piece from 1984 [10] indicates that the company was notable then, notability generally isnt lost. Horse Eye Jack (talk) 18:44, 14 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

I agree with Horse Eye Jack. This company was well-known and respected in its time. Contributors need to find more legacy articles, but strongly support keeping. refs:

algocu (talk) 18:55, 14 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Comment: thanks for the input, I can imagine it is not easy to locate sources for a Taiwanese company founded back in an era when the Internet wasn't quite the norm. Algocu, many of those sources you cited are from blogs and forum sites, so it would be better if there are more reliable sources you can find out there. Horse Eye Jack, thanks for pointing the existence of that article. My mistake to have let it slip off my radar, but I am not particularly good with locate pre-1990s sources online (they don't appear in google searches that often). If there are articles coming from multiple independent sources which covers the company in great depth, as per WP:CORP, I am happy to withdraw the nomination. --Dps04 (talk) 19:12, 14 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

I’ve added another piece, 2004 coverage from the Taipei Times [11]. Horse Eye Jack (talk) 19:30, 14 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

I also found but have not added a 2007 article in LEDs Magazine “Apple, HP and Proton keen on LCD backlighting with LEDs”[12], a 1994 piece in Taiwan Today[13], and a 1991 piece in the LA Times [14]. Is that enough? Horse Eye Jack (talk) 19:35, 14 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

The pieces in LA Times and LEDs Magazines are passing mentions, but the article from Taiwan Today qualifies as a significant coverage. While I would have expected more than two sources, two sources should suffice for a company founded in the 1960s (WP:MULTSOURCES). Let's call it a day, thanks for the hard work. --Dps04 (talk) 19:39, 14 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. ♠PMC♠ (talk) 23:13, 22 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Kurt Smith

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Fails WP:GNG, WP:NGRIDIRON, and WP:NCOLLATH. NFL Draft picks are not inherently notable, and outside of a few passing mentions from a kicker competition in college and his being drafted, I have not found any significant coverage. Never played in an NFL game, and did not receive any significant honors in college. Eagles 24/7 (C) 16:07, 6 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete Never a good sign when the first search result on a relatively specific search returns an offer to do a public records request. Couldn't find any qualifying coverage. SportingFlyer T·C 16:12, 6 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]
~~Delete~~ as the article is written, it seems to fail WP:GNG. If sources can be found and provided, I'd change my position.--Paul McDonald (talk) 16:35, 7 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]
- changed to keep and please add sources found to the article.--Paul McDonald (talk) 16:03, 11 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Delete Football players are one of the weak places where we have an overabundance of articles on non-notable people. Making the NFL draft is not a sign of notability. It appears at one point some editors thought it was.John Pack Lambert (talk) 19:38, 8 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Keep The article could use some work but I think there's enough for an article. For example [15] [16] [17] [18] [19] [20] [21] [22] [23] [24] This is apparently the same Kurt Smith. ~EDDY ^{(talk/contribs)}~ 00:47, 10 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

With all due respect, most if not all of those are transactional/are mere blurbs/aren't really significant coverage, and the best article only talks about him in the sense that he's been drafted, which is the level of coverage expected for anyone who was drafted. If there are two or three which particularly convey notability, it would be helpful if you could identify those instead. SportingFlyer T·C 07:10, 10 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

I tried to ignore the articles that simply mentioned he was drafted. And I can't access the Newspapers.com sources, although it seems from the preview that they would help satisfy GNG. So besides them, the top articles are this, this and this. Combined with the Newspapers.com sources, there seems to be enough for an article. ~EDDY ^{(talk/contribs)}~ 18:15, 10 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Here are clippings of the Newspapers.com articles you've added: [25], [26], [27], [28]. Two of the best three articles you list above are a transactional piece and a fantasy football guide in which Smith is ranked as the 34th-best kicker out of 34 for the 2006 season (there are 32 teams in the NFL, so Smith wasn't even considered the best fantasy kicker on his team). Eagles 24/7 (C) 16:09, 11 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete He definitely fails to meet WP:NGRIDIRON or WP:NCOLLATH. The coverage I see is transactional and/or routine sports coverage. I don't believe WP:GNG is met. Papaursa (talk) 02:52, 21 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was merge to Richfield, Minnesota. Barkeep49 (talk) 01:37, 22 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

History of Richfield, Minnesota

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Merge or Delete It completely boggles my mind how this page was created over 10 years ago by the User:Richfieldhistoricalsociety and has been able to remain. This page is blatant promotional/tourism material for a non-notable suburb, per WP:NOTTRAVEL and WP:SPAM. Basic history is covered on the Richfield, Minnesota page, so no need for a separate "history" page. KidAd (talk) 17:48, 6 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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Merge to Richfield, Minnesota. Considering this actually has sources I understand how this has lasted so long. Anyway it has nothing on our I believe 5 articles on the history of Dedham, Massachusetts. Any yet people have said I am out of line speaking of "Dedhammania".John Pack Lambert (talk) 20:33, 6 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]
- It may be down to 3 articles. I am still amazed we need an article on the history of anything from 2000 to present.John Pack Lambert (talk) 20:34, 6 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Merge to Richfield, Minnesota is the best solution.TH1980 (talk) 05:23, 7 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Keep article is well sourced and provides unesful (a lot of it) information about the history that isn't included in the main page. Epluribusunumyall (talk) 09:46, 7 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Keep -- Merging would unbalance the Richfield, Minnesota page. I would not advocate this treatment for every community of 35,000 people, but in this case it is fully justified. Peterkingiron (talk) 14:40, 10 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Merge to Richfield, Minnesota, neither of these articles are long enough to the point where a split is justified. Devonian Wombat (talk) 07:31, 14 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep. There is no reason to delete it; I do not find it "blatant promotional/tourism material" (the suburb is hardly a mecca for tourists and I see no appeal to tourism at all in the article). There is no need to merge; this article is perfectly capable of standing on its own. Kablammo (talk) 14:37, 17 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

I referenced the page as "blatant promotional material" because it was created by User:Richfieldhistoricalsociety as promotion. KidAd (talk) 20:32, 17 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Merge. It is basically UNDUE to have a separate page for the history of such a small city. We are a general-purpose encyclopedia, not a repository for local historical chronicle of every small town. ♠PMC♠ (talk) 20:12, 21 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. ♠PMC♠ (talk) 20:11, 21 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Joe Herrera (actor)

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Not notable actor with few small parts. Alrofficial (talk) 16:21, 14 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete - I was unable to find a single WP:RS to support this person's WP:NOTABILITY. Additionally, the entire article appears to have been written by the subject of the article itself, User:Joe Herrera (I) contribs Phuzion (talk) 17:38, 14 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Delete - Per Phuzion, massive COI, and no RS. Yoshi24517 ^Chat _{Very Busy} 18:01, 14 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Delete a non-notable actor. I have hope that we will start 2021 with less than 1 million articles on living people. It may be a false hope.John Pack Lambert (talk) 20:07, 14 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Weak Delete: The subject's TV and film roles are not yet sufficient to meet WP:NACTOR, although I don't know whether his stage roles are. I haven't come across any sources that would meet WP:GNG. Dflaw4 (talk) 13:23, 20 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. Tone 16:07, 21 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Victorian Internet Exchange

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A non notable and defunct internet exchange. WP:BEFORE shows no evidence of coverage that could help improve the article Cardiffbear88 (talk) 15:55, 14 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete have checked dfeunct status. Only reference is also dead. Teraplane (talk) 22:15, 17 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. The decision comes down to the quality of the sources. In defense of the article, an impressive number of sources were proffered, but a closer analysis shows that they fail independence critera, or only mention the subject in passing. This analysis seems to have been endorsed by a large majority of the participants and I find no convincing arguments in rebuttal. While any reliable source can be used to verify a claim in an article even if it is not in-depth, satisfying notability requirements generally requires independent sourcing that goes beyond what you would find in a directory or a press release.

(As a tip to AFD participants defending an article by presenting sources: Try to limit yourself to a few very good sources, don't throw everything up and see what sticks. Trying to overwhelm the discussion with dozens of weak sources is counterproductive as any good sources you do have end up being buried in the haystack.)

Finally, the fact that much of the article appears promotional in nature, and sourced to content sponsored by the restaurant chain (for example the content in the "Awards" section) does count against keeping the article. While such problems are in theory surmountable, the presence of content that appears to advertise a company is seriously detrimental to the reputation of Wikipedia as a neutral non-commercial website. If the article were kept these parts of the article would have to be removed or sourced to something more neutral and reliable. Sjakkalle (Check!) 21:29, 24 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Mr. Greek

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Run-of-the-mill restaurant chain, reads like an advertisement. Not a single reference that I can locate meets the criteria for establishing notability, there is no in-depth information on the company and no "Independent Content" on the company. There are reviews of individual restaurants and the food that is served but this does not help to establish notability for the company. Topic fails NCORP/GNG. HighKing⁺⁺ 13:35, 27 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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Not a single reference that I can locate meets the criteria for establishing notability, there is no in-depth information on the company and no "Independent Content" on the company. I have no doubt they exist online. I will do some work.Grmike (talk) 06:27, 28 April 2020 (UTC)grmike[reply]

Keep largest Greek restaurant chain in Canada, first ever Greek restaurant opened in Kuwait, and UAE feature article in Toronto Life [29]. Feature article in Canadian Businesss Franchise [30] - a lot of indepth information in a major magazine. [31] - google books the greek community quote - "In the last 20 years Mr. Greek has become on of the largest food chains in Toronto". owns naming rights to restaurants south of the border in the United States. [32] toronto star full article - "Mr. Greek established Middle Eastern toehold" = When the company expanded from the Danforth to Scarborough in 1992, it was the first multi-location Greek restaurant in the GTA. Toronto Sun full article [33] "Mr. Greek was voted Toronto’s favourite by Readers’ Choice Awards for 22 consecutive years." mention in the globe and mail [34]. the Mr.Greek name used in the USA is patent owned by the Toronto franchise [35]. The Financial Post [36] Fast-food restaurants eating into full-service sector market share. owner is board member of "hellenic canadian academic association of Ontario" [37] . Greek City Times [38] = There are a large variety of eateries available to Torontonians that need to satisfy their Greek food cravings. Some of these restaurants include, the longstanding Mr. Greek . Pacific/Prairie Newspaper [39] . mention in CBC News [40] .Worldcon - toronto for visiting sf folks [41] - There are also several Greek food chain restaurants, with Mr Greek being the commonest. - larget and fastest growing chain in canada[42] . [43]Grmike (talk) 07:12, 28 April 2020 (UTC)grmike[reply]

founder George Raios carried the olympic torch for the 2010 winter olympics. the name for fire in greek is floga. in 2019 he opened Mr.Greek's first floga store which places more of an emphasis on Greek gastronomy.[44]Grmike (talk) 08:26, 28 April 2020 (UTC)grmike[reply]

[45] "It's All Greek To Me" - Canadian Franchisee Business Magazine does a five page feature article on Mr. Greek, its history and its owner George Raios.Grmike (talk) 08:33, 28 April 2020 (UTC)grmike[reply]

- Comment I appreciate that took a lot of time. But based on the references you've provided above, all 17 of them, I think you are confusing the standard required from a reference in order to support a fact or assertion within an article (essentially WP:RS) and the standard required from a reference to meet the criteria for establishing notability (which is a lot stricter). The criteria for establishing notability for companies/organizations is for multiple sources (at least two) of significant coverage with in-depth information *on the company* and (this bit is important!) containing "Independent Content". "Independent content", in order to count towards establishing notability, must include original and independent opinion, analysis, investigation, and fact checking that are clearly attributable to a source *unaffiliated to the subject*. Let's take a look at each of those 17 references:
  - This from Toronto Life and https://www.thestar.com/business/2014/02/19/mr_greek_establishes_middle_eastern_toehold.html this from The Star] are short articles where the contents rely entirely on information provided by the company and/or CEO and provides no in-depth information on the company. They relate to the same interview and carry the same quotations, fails WP:ORGIND and WP:CORPDEPTH
  - This from Canadian Business Franchise and also this are interviews with entrepreneurs who bought a Mr. Greek franchise. There is no "Independent Content" nor any in-depth information on the company, fails WP:ORGIND and WP:CORPDEPTH
  - This book entitled "Toronto's Many Faces" has a "Places to Go" section which lists various Greek food places and contains a single sentence on the company containing its contact details and a comment about becoming onve of the largest food chains in Toronto with over 20 restaurants. Fails WP:CORPDEPTH.
  - This from Toronto Sun is clearly marked: This content is sponsored by Mr. Greek . Fails WP:RS as well as WP:ORGIND.
  - This from The Globe and Mail is a review of an entirely different Greek restaurant with a mention-in-passing of this company. Fails WP:CORPDEPTH.
  - This book entitled "Official Gazette of the United States Patent and Trademark Office" from June 2003 lists the registered copyrights for that period and has a single entry which reads "Mr. Greek Restaurants Inc., Toronto, Ontario M3C 3S2, Canada: 2,720,243. Pub. 7-30-2002. Int. CL. 42." Fails WP:CORPDEPTH
  - This from the Financial Post is an article on how the revenues at full-service restaurants in Canada is "stagnant" and discusses possible reasons. In an interview with a market research firm executive, they comment "At licensed fast-casual restaurant chains such as Mr. Greek, patrons typically dine inside, a practice that drives up the average dining cheque." A mention-in-passing, no in-depth information on the company, fails WP:CORPDEPTH.
  - This newsletter from the Hellenic Canadian Academic Association of Ontario mentions the company twice. Once, pointing out that the food and drinks at the First annual University Studies Orientation Day (USOD) were "generously sponsored" by the owner of the company. The second time the company is mentioned saying that lunch at the Second annual University Studies Orientation Day (USOD) was provided courtesy of the company. Fails WP:CORPDEPTH.
  - This from Greek City Times (which, in my opinion, fails as a WP:RS) is a review of a different Greek restaurant and includes this company in a list of 6 alternative Greek restaurants. Fails WP:CORPDEPTH
  - This from the Restaurant News magazine (page 14) is entirely based on an interview with George Raios, the company's founder, president and CEO and contains no "Independent Content". Fails WP:ORGIND.
  - This from CBC is about the attempts to rejuvinate the Burlington Mall and says that "Blaze Pizza, burger joint Five Guys and Mr. Greek are slated to move in as part of the new look." Fails WP:CORPDEPTH.
  - This information flyer for attendees of a SF convention in 2003 to provide information on visitors on available amenities states that there are several Greek food chain restaurants "with Mr Greek being the commonest". Fails WP:CORPDEPTH.
  - This from Canadian Immigrant magazine contains some interviews with various people who immigrated to Canada. One of the people bought a Mr. Greek Express franchise. Fails WP:CORPDEPTH and WP:ORGIND
  - This from The Star lists the top 10 most-ticketed places in Toronto. At number 10 is a place near a Mr. Greek restaurant. Fails WP:CORPDEPTH
  - This from The Star is a review of a newly opened Mr. Greek restaurant and all of the information on the company is provided by Mr. Raios (the founder, president and CEO of the company). Fails WP:CORPDEPTH and WP:ORGIND

Not a single reference meets the criteria for establishing notability. Most are mere mentions-in-passing and the others are entirely based on interviews with Mr. Raios. None are significant. HighKing⁺⁺ 18:02, 28 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]

I don't know where you're from but here in Canada you can't find any Greek Canadian who doesn't know about Mr.Greek. The reputation precedes itself. The TorontoSun article congratulating Mr.Greek on 22 consecutive years of readers choice awards is anything but the company sponsoring itself. I know that here in Nova Scotia ppl come from around the world just to visit John's Lunch. why ? Because it has won so many local 'choice awards' mostly from TheCoast publication. Just because you use in my opinion doesn't necessarily make it so. keep that in mind.Grmike (talk) 20:12, 28 April 2020 (UTC)grmike[reply]

I gave you high quality links, in-depth coverage, notability (awards, accolades in national greek publications), and even a connection to the 2010 winter Olympics torch. you're not going to find perfection in every link, but together the links paint a picture. in this case it's keep.Grmike (talk) 20:20, 28 April 2020 (UTC)grmike[reply]

how did George Raios bc a torch bearer without being notable ? I guess without a reference we should just chalk it up as happenstance.Grmike (talk) 20:29, 28 April 2020 (UTC)grmike[reply]

a legit link for con fans visiting from SF calls Mr.Greek the commonest greek chain in Toronto. you throw the entire link out bc even though it acknowledges Mr.Greek's overwhelming presence at the time, it doesn't go on to talk about where they get their meat from, why they choose to mention it specifically and not any other establishment ? there's a saying that goes throwing the baby out with the bathwater. Grmike (talk) 20:29, 28 April 2020 (UTC)grmike[reply]

This from Toronto Life the first greek restaurant to open in Kuwait then UAE is not the company promoting itself. World Domination - by Carolyn youdan - no connection to mr greek. it is a Toronto first and Canadian first and greek first to have one of 'their own' making strides outside the country. Carolyn youdan chose to title it "next up for Ontario's mr. greek : world domination" not mr. greek.Grmike (talk) 20:39, 28 April 2020 (UTC)grmike[reply]

This book entitled "Official Gazette of the United States Patent and Trademark Office" that link is not in-depth coverage but it does help to establish notability. The chain owns rights to the name Mr.Greek across north America. that is significant and adds to the company's notoriety.Grmike (talk) 20:45, 28 April 2020 (UTC)grmike[reply]

This from Canadian Business Franchise and also this are interviews with entrepreneurs period. entrepreneurs who tried other things and had no success. the article is 5 pages long and goes into depth about the ups and downs of running his own business. The rigorous work ethic he acquired early on, the struggles implementing new procedures, the history behind the business, he was there since the franchise was 4 years old - it is 32 years old today. the source easily passes WP:CORPDEPTH and may even pass WP:ORGIND. there's a point at which life experience becomes independent of the things around it.Grmike (talk) 21:00, 28 April 2020 (UTC)grmike[reply]

You appear to not be familiar with your policies and guidelines and you are pushing your own opinion and synthesising "notability" requirements. Please read WP:ORGIND and WP:CORPDEPTH as a minimum since most of the references you list fail on one or both of these guidelines. No harm to look up WP:NOR either and especially WP:SYN. HighKing⁺⁺ 20:10, 29 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Comment - before casting your vote I suggest you familiarize yourself with List of Greek restaurants because if Mr. Greek isn't allowed on Wikipedia none of them are.Grmike (talk) 21:46, 28 April 2020 (UTC)grmike[reply]
Delete really seems to not be notably thanks to the great analysis of the totally lacking depth of coverage in sourcing above. If it was a notable company at least some of the sources wouldn't just be brief mentions. Also, the hand waving, canvassing etc etc by grmike is really not great either. --Adamant1 (talk) 06:31, 29 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]

comment - for the financial post, Canada's national newspaper, to use mr. greek as an example in an article discussing a $24 billion industry, without making mention of any other fast casual restaurant, is quite a feat.Grmike (talk) 11:35, 29 April 2020 (UTC)grmike[reply]

Re Financial Post, they are only mentioned once briefly in the whole article. "At licensed fast-casual restaurant chains such as Mr. Greek, patrons typically dine inside." It's pretty ludicrous your saying the article should be kept because an article mentions that people can dine inside their restaurant. Seriously. The Financial Post being a national newspaper doesn't have jack to do with it. It's not notability by association. Btw, it's also lame to put random words in bold. It doesn't help your argument any and it's pretty obnoxious. --Adamant1 (talk) 11:47, 29 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]

IMO it establishes notability. you're not always going to find indepth coverage of a low-importance subject in a national newspaper. it was used as an example for a $24 billion growing sector of the industry. stop being facecious. there are other sources given, none are pristine sources but each has elements of what is required for notability.Grmike (talk) 11:54, 29 April 2020 (UTC)grmike[reply]

For 22 years in a row it was named best greek restaurant in Toronto, a city which has one of the world's 8 largest Greek diaspora communities.

I'm sorry you find the notability guidelines, which require in-depth coverage, facetious. We really have nothing more to say to each other. --Adamant1 (talk) 12:04, 29 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]

I'm looking at the other Greek restaurants on wikipedia and thinking that this sets a dangerous precedent which will ultimately lead to the elimination of an entire category.Grmike (talk) 12:08, 29 April 2020 (UTC)grmike[reply]

Comment a 1995 newspaper article written by independent source Edwin Mercurio of the Original Bay News - Pickering slide 9 of 36 ..solid reputation of the restaurant chain which reaches across Canada and the Koras' family's own well-established name in the restaurant business. it's indepth, independent, and at the time (1995) in a notable source of information (pickering newspaper).Grmike. (talk) 12:22, 29 April 2020 (UTC)grmike[reply]

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Keep WP:MILL is just an essay not a policy and the nomination's other points are equally weak. This is a substantial international restaurant chain, there are plenty of sources supporting this fact and so the topic is notable. Andrew🐉(talk) 22:44, 1 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]
- "Plenty of sources" you say? Name one, any one, that meets the criteria for establishing notability. HighKing⁺⁺ 12:52, 8 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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~~Strong Keep~~ (already voted see above the line for details) - for the same reasons I gave above. The chain of restaurants have notability outside the local community and within the Greek community at large. It's longstanding and well known nationally. Active in the Greek community (founder is board member of the Hellenic Canadian association, make a wish foundation partnership). The passing mention it receives in the Financial Post implies notability as only Mr.Greek is used to represent the $24 billion fast casual industry. A 1995 feature article in the newspaper written by independent source Edwin Mercurio of the Original Bay News - Pickering slide 9 of 36 stated among other things ..solid reputation of the restaurant chain which reaches across Canada and the Koras' family's own well-established name in the restaurant business. it's indepth, independent, and at the time (1995) a significant source (pickering newspaper), so the company was well established even 25 years ago.Grmike (talk) 17:53, 5 May 2020 (UTC)grmike[reply]

Mr.Greek is not "run of the mill" WP:MILL and that invalidates the nomination.Grmike (talk) 17:53, 5 May 2020 (UTC)grmike[reply]

comment - the title of this magazine article says it all World Domination

22 consecutive years voted best restaurant chain in toronto [46] and this is a chain of restaurants being awarded the prize.Grmike (talk) 18:15, 5 May 2020 (UTC)grmike[reply]

[47] is an in-depth feature interview that does not involve the company owner.Grmike (talk) 18:15, 5 May 2020 (UTC)grmike[reply]

the franchise has locations in Kuwait, uae, Saskatchewan, Toronto, and other cities in south western Ontario. not local by any means.Grmike (talk) 18:15, 5 May 2020 (UTC)grmike[reply]

- Comment I've struck your second !vote because you've already registered a !vote. It would be great if you could also learn how to format your responses and remove the bolding. Also, you don't need to attach your name after signing your posts. HighKing⁺⁺ 12:54, 8 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

comment - relisted means even the comments previously made count ? I wasn't completely sure of this which is why I voted below the line. fair enough.Grmike (talk) 19:40, 8 May 2020 (UTC)grmike[reply]

Keep: I think the Toronto Life article is a decent source. Only two paragraphs and it does contain two quotes from the company's press release, but it's obvious that it's an independent article because it criticizes the restaurant's food: "Canada's list of cultural exports gets even more random with this latest addition: passable souvlaki." I think that the nominator's claim that "the contents rely entirely on information provided by the company" implies that any article that includes a quote from the CEO can't be independent; any article about a company, no matter how in-depth and independent, will probably include a quote from someone at the company. The two articles that are based on those quotes (one negative, one positive) are both independent and specifically about the company, not passing mentions in an article about something else. — Toughpigs (talk) 14:26, 8 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]
- Toughpigs, nope, that isn't what the nominator (me) means. When I say that a reference relies entirely on information provided by the company (or something similar), is it usually for the reason you've stated above - but let me tease out the precise reasons. What I mean is that there is no information contained in the article *about the company* that is in-depth and [[WP:SIGCOV|significant}. In this article, the opinion on whether the souvlaki is passable or not has no bearing on whether the *company* meets the criteria for notability. WP:ORGIND also comes into play as it states Too often a related party produces a narrative that is then copied, regurgitated, and published in whole or in part by independent parties (as exemplified by churnalism) - so even if a reference doesn't explicitly use quotates/interviews but bases its article on a PR announcement or other company announcement, it also fails the criteria for establishing notability. ORGIND also states that the references must contain "Independent Content" .. that is, content which contains original and independent opinion, analysis, investigation, and fact checking *about the company* that are clearly attributable to a source unaffiliated to the subject. The policies and guidelines are tough (for good reason) on companies/organizations and that is why an emphasis is placed specifically on references containing Independent Content. Can you take another look at your !vote? HighKing⁺⁺ 21:02, 9 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  - I believe that the nominator is determined to nitpick every source out of existence. I also notice that the nominator has posted five times on this page in addition to the nomination itself, attempting to rebut everyone that disagrees. The essay WP:BLUDGEON describes this style of behavior: "Typically, the person replies to almost every !vote or comment, arguing against that particular person's point of view. The person attempts to pick apart each argument with the goal of getting each person to change their !vote." That is exactly what is happening here, including the request to change my !vote. The essay goes on to say, "When someone takes persistence to a level that overwhelms or intimidates others, or limits others' ability to interject their opinions without worrying about being verbally attacked, then this activity has risen to a level of abuse. This can be considered an act of bad faith as the purpose is to win at any cost." I encourage the nominator to take a step back, let other people look at the article and the sources, and make their own judgment. — Toughpigs (talk) 21:30, 9 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]
    - comment - I agree... with toughpigs.Grmike (talk) 23:58, 9 May 2020 (UTC)grmike[reply]
Delete - I generally agree with HighKing's analysis of the sources; most of them are not useful for establishing notability. I think the The Star article and the Toronto Life article come the closest and provide some useful information towards notability. I think this is a case of WP:TOOSOON; if this company went out of business tomorrow and completely disappeared, would they be notable in the sense of meriting an encyclopedia entry? I'm not convinced that the answer to that is yes. I could vaguely predict that I think the company will probably meet the notability guidelines given time, but the article shouldn't exist until that time when it does become notable. (This is a separate issue, but) even if the subject were presently notable, a lot of the coverage on the page is WP:UNDUE; if the page is kept, it needs some trimming. Ikjbagl (talk) 19:43, 13 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

comment - how much time do you need ? if was the first greek restaurant chain in Canada, the first in Kuwait and has been in business for over thirty years.Grmike (talk) 23:03, 13 May 2020 (UTC)grmike[reply]

@Grmike: It's not about waiting for time to pass. It's about waiting for the subject to become more notable by receiving more coverage in reliable, independent secondary sources. WP:TOOSOON is not actually about waiting for time to pass; it's about waiting to see if the subject actually becomes notable or not because it is too difficult to tell at the present time whether that will happen. Ikjbagl (talk) 23:07, 13 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

WP:AMOUNT is of relevance here. A weed in the crack in the sidewalk in front of someone's house that receives a full page write up in Washington Post and Los Angeles Times is more notable than the largest and oldest organic chocolate pretzel factory in the world that receives only local coverage and a passing mention in national press. The standards for inclusion are also higher for organizations and companies compared to other random matters, because of promotionalism concerns. Graywalls (talk) 00:54, 24 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Delete per the source analysis. Corp sets a higher bar.Spartaz ^Humbug! 19:51, 13 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete Every bit of trivial mentions and insignificant coverage can be used to support a statement or augment the details within the article when there's proper references that meet all the criteria of WP:NCORP to establish the foundation to build on. You can round up all the beef trimmings but when you're expected to present a pound slab of high grade steak, the trimmings will never satisfy that. It's not being the first, being in business for a long time or the attributes expressed by an editor here that drives notability. It is the high level of notice and deep coverage by general interest, high circulation media coverage (see WP:AUD ) that is heavily weighed in notability determination. Graywalls (talk) 21:08, 21 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]
comment - the new template UPE added by graywalls - I am not affiliated with nor was paid by mr. greek to create or edit the article. I have been creating and editing articles on Wikipedia for 10 years. The company is longstanding, that is why it is one of the first companies I contributed to. the content that remains today is well sourced and referenced.Grmike (talk) 17:46, 22 May 2020 (UTC)grmike[reply]
reply that has to do with substantial edits by Mrgreek corp and the remaining promotional sectioning and tone to the article. Graywalls (talk) 21:17, 22 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]
that user hasn't contributed anything in more than nine years. since then the article has gone through a number of revamps meaning his contributions have largely been removed. the promotional tone was already addressed years ago. everything remaining is sourced and referenced. I am the one who your accusation appears to be directed at. the addition of the template was unjustified. please maintain civility and Assume good faith. Grmike (talk) 21:22, 22 May 2020 (UTC)grmike[reply]

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The result was delete. Tone 16:07, 21 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Inthsham (Indian footballer)

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Amateur footballer who fails GNG and NFOOTY BlameRuiner (talk) 14:10, 14 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete a non-notable footballer.John Pack Lambert (talk) 20:05, 14 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete - fails GNG and NFOOTBALL. Giant Snowman 16:40, 15 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was soft delete. Based on minimal participation, this uncontroversial nomination is treated as an expired PROD (a.k.a. "soft deletion"). Editors can request the article's undeletion. Barkeep49 (talk) 01:24, 22 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Retired Enlisted Association

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no evidence of notability . Long after the article was written, [48] appeared, but the scam isn;t notable enough for an article DGG ( talk ) 23:31, 6 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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Yorkshire Wind Orchestra

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A non notable amateur wind orchestra. WP:BEFORE shows some limited coverage but nothing that isn’t WP:MILL. Cardiffbear88 (talk) 13:55, 14 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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Comment - the article appears to have been almost entirely written by a single purpose account with the name “ywoweb” which leads me to believe that there are COI issues. Cardiffbear88 (talk) 13:57, 14 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. Yunshui ^雲 _水 14:04, 21 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Riz Mokal

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I am the article's subject, and am not "notable" and am a private person, and I request the article's deletion. Thanks. WhatNotability (talk) 13:37, 14 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete. Other than the ‘controversy’ section we’d happily delete this bio, and the controversy itself is entirely trivial. Mccapra (talk) 14:53, 14 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Delete per WP:BIODEL /Tpdwkouaa (talk) 17:57, 14 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Delete clearly not a person who is so notable we need an article on them against their will.John Pack Lambert (talk) 20:14, 14 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Delete Per WP:BLP1E. ((replyto|Can I Log In))'s talk page! 21:10, 14 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Delete not enough notability to keep if he has specifically asked to have it deleted. Could easily become another flamewar/slander magnet, which is the last thing Wikipedia needs. Dronebogus (talk) 22:08, 14 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Delete his entry seems to be here because of what he said on twatter. Not a good precedent. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2A00:23C4:5602:2301:AC5F:FDB5:2CFE:83A2 (talk) 22:30, 15 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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Global War on Error

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Delete this promotional article per WP:NEO -- None of the sources in this article are WP:RS. I could find little to no WP:RS that backed up this definition. I only found 4 hits in google books, and only one of which was for this definition. Theredproject (talk) 13:37, 14 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete WP:NEO. I tried to search for this in news sources, and tried to search for the name of the guy who is credited with coining the name, and turned up nothing. If it's a real thing and it's notable, the article doesn't provide enough information to verify it. RecycledPixels (talk) 20:43, 15 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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Insigniam

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Fails WP:NCORP as none of the sources are significant, independent and reliable. The vast majority are merely passing references (many do not even mention the name Insigniam at all). What appears to be a source that has significant coverage [49] is Sponsored Content/Branded content as evidenced by an Insigniam advertisement on the first content page, and the editor's welcome on the second page "Welcome to Leadership Principles: A Development Resource, a special edition of the HBAdvantage, the magazine of the HBA. The HBA, in conjunction with Insigniam and our other corporate sponsors and volunteers, is pleased to offer this publication with inspiring and practical leadership information to further your advancement in healthcare." This explicitly identified Insigniam as a corporate sponsor of the 15 page "special edition" of this industry magazine, which explains why half of the pages feature glowing promotional language about the company. Theredproject (talk) 13:32, 14 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. Tone 16:07, 21 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Keerthi Pandian

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Non-notable actress, only few passing mentions. Fails WP:GNG, WP:Nactor DMySon 12:00, 14 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete a non-notable actress.John Pack Lambert (talk) 20:08, 14 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Delete fails WP:GNG and WP:NACTOR. The subject has featured in only few films and is a kind of WP:TOOSOON. Abishe (talk) 04:40, 15 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Draftify or Redirect: I agree that it is WP:TOOSOON in terms of WP:NACTOR—but, there is quite a lot of coverage on the subject. Therefore, I would suggesting "draftifying" as opposed to downright deletion, or, alternatively, "redirecting" to Thumbaa. Dflaw4 (talk) 15:44, 19 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. Tone 16:07, 21 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Edward Arthur

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Minor television actor and film actor. Currently sourced only to IMDB (UGC, unreliable, doesn't establish notability). I looked for better sourcing - there are lots of people with this name or names like it, some of whom are notable, but I can't find anything to establish notability for this particular person - fails GNG and NACTOR.

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Delete it is high time that Wikipedia stopped being a GNG mirror.John Pack Lambert (talk) 15:38, 14 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete: As a film and TV actor, the subject doesn't meet WP:NACTOR. The article says he is also a stage actor, but the problem with searching, as the nominator points out, is that the name is so common. I found a couple of articles which may refer to the subject, but there weren't very in-depth. If someone finds some sources that demonstrate notability, I'll happily chance my vote. Dflaw4 (talk) 16:42, 19 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. Tone 16:07, 21 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Australian Staghound

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Fails GNG. All four sources cited well short of being RS, Google search reveals nothing attributable. Cavalryman (talk) 10:59, 14 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete. The four websites appear to be drawing material from each other and do not cite references:

Boardogs.com has material submitted by a contributor, with the website ceasing operations back in 2013
Ozziedoggers.com has a link to Huntingpigdog.com and has no author
Huntingpigdog.com is "Brought to you by http://www.ozziedoggers.org", has no author and ceased operations in 2014
kangaroodog.org has no author and much of its text is the same as Boardogs.com, indicating the same contributor

No mention in Google Books nor Scholar. Fails notability. William Harristalk 22:21, 14 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Delete as per nom. Teraplane (talk) 23:06, 14 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was keep. Subsequent to Cunard's improvements, consensus seems to have swung towards Keep. Yunshui ^雲 _水 14:06, 21 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Monita Rajpal

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WP:BLP of a television journalist, not making any strong or properly sourced claim to passing our notability standards for journalists. As always, journalists are not automatically entitled to have articles just because they have jobs -- they need to show evidence of distinctions, such as major journalism awards and/or sufficient reliable source coverage about them in media to clear WP:GNG. But as usual for bad articles about journalists, this is written more like somebody just tried to do a thinly veiled rewrite of her staff profile from a past or present employer, and is "referenced" solely to her own self-published website about herself -- and while there are a couple of real media links being linkfarmed in the external links section instead of being properly cited as footnotes for article content, they're all just short blurbs that are doing very little to actually get her over GNG. Nothing here is "inherently" notable enough to exempt her from having to have significantly better sources than this, and furthermore the article has been flagged for sourcing problems since 2008 without ever seeing any discernible improvement in its referencing. Bearcat (talk) 21:07, 6 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete per Bearcat's well reasoned and comprehensive nomination. Fails WP:ANYBIO. Ifnord (talk) 21:45, 6 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Delete promotional page. Azuredivay (talk) 01:42, 7 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

*Delete per all of the above Spiderone 10:23, 7 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Keep - meets WP:GNG Spiderone 14:35, 11 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Delete overly promotional, lacks sourcing Lorelai1335 (talk) 23:15, 7 May 2020 (UTC)Lorelai1335[reply]
Delete per above TheImaCow (talk) 09:25, 8 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Delete a non-notable broadcast journalist.John Pack Lambert (talk) 20:19, 8 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Delete non-sourced, my search didn't find any WP:RS. Ipsign (talk) 16:16, 9 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Delete, Article lacks proper reliable sources, looks promotional. Alex-h (talk) 08:50, 10 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Keep per the significant coverage in multiple independent reliable sources.

Bohwongprasert, Yvonne (2013-05-07). "Firmly Anchored: CNN International's Monita Rajpal has the confidence and experience needed to spearhead two flagship shows". Bangkok Post. Archived from the original on 2020-05-10. Retrieved 2020-05-10.
Walunjkar, Somashukla Sinha (2004-08-17). "CNN's Indian link: Life as a TV anchor requires stamina. But then if you want to achieve something, you have to give your job your best, says Monita Rajpal". Hindustan Times. Press Trust of India. Archived from the original on 2020-05-10. Retrieved 2020-05-10.
Sarkar, John (2007-04-14). "Seeking cultures". The Economic Times. Archived from the original on 2020-05-10. Retrieved 2020-05-10.
Eckler, Rebecca (2001-04-04). "Former 'switchette' bound for CNN: Monita Rajpal lands coveted position with media giant". National Post. Archived from the original on 2020-05-10. Retrieved 2020-05-10 – via Newspapers.com.
Coutts, Matthew (2010-10-28). "Monita Rajpal: From a T.O. reception desk to CNN's anchor chair, this cable news icon dishes on landing her dream job and growing up in North York". TRNTO. Post City Magazines. Archived from the original on 2020-05-10. Retrieved 2020-05-10.
Nair, Nandini (2007-03-30). "CNN anchor Monita Rajpal on the various experiences of anchoring". The Hindu. Archived from the original on 2007-05-27. Retrieved 2020-05-10.
Taneja, Nikhil (2010-09-25). "CNN's new show on art and culture: Icon explores the memorable facets of art and transcends boundaries in terms of culture and influence; Monita Rajapal, news anchor with CNN, will host the show". Hindustan Times. Archived from the original on 2020-05-10. Retrieved 2020-05-10.
Savin, Monique (2011-02-06). "CNN anchor's challenge: fitting workouts into 17-hour days". The Globe and Mail. Archived from the original on 2020-05-10. Retrieved 2020-05-10.
Giles, Lee (2007-07-26). "Sikh names policy must go". Red Deer Advocate. Archived from the original on 2020-05-10. Retrieved 2020-05-10 – via Newspapers.com.

Sources with quotes
Bohwongprasert, Yvonne (2013-05-07). "Firmly Anchored: CNN International's Monita Rajpal has the confidence and experience needed to spearhead two flagship shows". Bangkok Post. Archived from the original on 2020-05-10. Retrieved 2020-05-10. The article notes: Vivacious Monita Rajpal _ veteran CNN International anchor and correspondent oozes self-confidence and wit both on duty and off. The versatile journalist, who has covered everything from politics to luxury brands, has travelled the globe interviewing royalty, political and religious leaders and many more people besides in her 12 years with the American network. Her amiable demeanour makes it easy to chit-chat about what it takes to survive in one of the most prominent news cable networks in the world. An ethnic Indian, Rajpal was born in Hong Kong and spent much of her childhood there before moving to Toronto, Canada, where she launched her television career. Before returning to Hong Kong late last year, Rajpal was based in London, where she co-hosted CNN's World One. On top of English, she speaks conversational Cantonese, French and Punjabi. ... Rajpal speaks with a heightened sense of excitement about her latest shows CNN NewsCenter and Talk Asia which were launched early this year. Walunjkar, Somashukla Sinha (2004-08-17). "CNN's Indian link: Life as a TV anchor requires stamina. But then if you want to achieve something, you have to give your job your best, says Monita Rajpal". Hindustan Times. Press Trust of India. Archived from the original on 2020-05-10. Retrieved 2020-05-10. The article notes: Vibrant 20-something Monita Rajpal could have been another bright-eyed youngster back in India meeting her family in between long meetings. Only Rajpal, a graduate in radio and television arts from Ryerson Polytechnic University, Toronto, also happens to be CNN’s anchor for World News, and is in town to announce the launch of the Young Journalist Award. [quotation from Rajpal] Rajpal has been with CNN for three odd years, after a brief stint as an assignment reporter for Citytv, Toronto, where she covered primetime nightly news, including federal elections, educational strikes and the city’s homeless. As someone who grew up admiring CNN’s Christiane Amanpour, she insists: [quotation from Rajpal] Rajpal grew up in Hong Kong, lived in Toronto, speaks fluent Cantonese, Punjabi and French, and gets a high “meeting and interviewing” people like former Israeli Prime Minister Ehud Barak, Colombian President Andres Pastrana. [quotation from Rajpal] Sarkar, John (2007-04-14). "Seeking cultures". The Economic Times. Archived from the original on 2020-05-10. Retrieved 2020-05-10. The article notes: The rich glow of the plush sofa couldn’t divert the attention from her pretty face. The soft filtered sunlight lit up her perfect features, which strongly hinted at an Indian connection. One of the most attractive faces on television, the 34-year old CNN news and business anchor Monita Rajpal needs no introduction. And with a million watt smile as your visiting card who needs one? ... Rajpal was born in Hong Kong to a Chinese mother of Indian origin and an Indian father. She spent most of her childhood in Hong Kong before immigrating to Toronto, Canada where in 1996 she obtained a B.A.A. (Bachelor of Applied Arts) degree in Radio and Television Arts from Ryerson University before moving into television journalism and anchoring on Toronto’s Pulse24 news channel. “We have strong connections with India. My father attended Khalsa College (New Delhi) here,” reveals Rajpal. In the past few years this avid blogger has had several big assignments to her name — the US-led ‘war against terror’, the Catholic Church scandal and unrest in Liberia to name a few. During the Iraq war she interviewed Presidents and Prime Ministers as also leaders of the Shiite Muslim political group. Eckler, Rebecca (2001-04-04). "Former 'switchette' bound for CNN: Monita Rajpal lands coveted position with media giant". National Post. Archived from the original on 2020-05-10. Retrieved 2020-05-10 – via Newspapers.com. The article notes: Probably one of the worst jobs in the building is working the main switchboard, where thousands of calls come in daily. The women here are known as the "switchettes." ... This is how Monita Rajpal started out five years ago this month. And now, the 27-year-old is off to Atlanta to take an anchor position with CNN International. ... Upon graduation from Ryerson, she accepted a six-month receptionist position at ChumCity. ... In February, a CNN executive in town just happened be flipping stations in his hotel room when he caught Rajpal. Coutts, Matthew (2010-10-28). "Monita Rajpal: From a T.O. reception desk to CNN's anchor chair, this cable news icon dishes on landing her dream job and growing up in North York". TRNTO. Post City Magazines. Archived from the original on 2020-05-10. Retrieved 2020-05-10. The article notes: MONITA RAJPAL IS momentarily stumped. Until this point, the face of CNN International’s daily World Report has been answering questions over the phone from London with a bright voice and self-assurance honed through years in live television. ... Rajpal has interviewed renowned world leaders and politicians for CNN, including Al Gore and former Soviet Union president Mikhail Gorbachev. No one is off the table. ... As a child, the idea of hosting her own news program was beyond her imagination. Born in Hong Kong, Rajpal moved with her family to North York when she was 14. The area was much as it is today, a suburban paradise filled with rows of homes and shopping centres, with a direct connection to Toronto’s core. She attended A. Y. Jackson Secondary School and participated in the school’s Amnesty International program. Nair, Nandini (2007-03-30). "CNN anchor Monita Rajpal on the various experiences of anchoring". The Hindu. Archived from the original on 2007-05-27. Retrieved 2020-05-10. The article notes: Monita Rajpal has interviewed heads of states in her six-year long career at CNN. But it is the stories of people who have lost everything in an earthquake or speaking to a man whose brother is on death row that she remembers most vividly. Reporting about the Pakistan earthquake from London she says, "Words fail to describe how sad it is." She is the news anchor for the European breakfast show "CNN Today", she also hosts "Art of Life" CNN's luxury lifestyle show. ... Based in London, Rajpal says, "India is the land of my ancestors, yet there is not necessarily a sense of homecoming." She looks Indian and is sad to leave but this is not home, as she has lived outside India all her life. Taneja, Nikhil (2010-09-25). "CNN's new show on art and culture: Icon explores the memorable facets of art and transcends boundaries in terms of culture and influence; Monita Rajapal, news anchor with CNN, will host the show". Hindustan Times. Archived from the original on 2020-05-10. Retrieved 2020-05-10. The article notes: In an attempt to create a programme that would explore the people, places or things that have made art and culture what it is, CNN, has recently launched a unique show, Icon. “In Icon, we wanted to highlight a world that transcends boundaries both in terms of culture and influence,” says the show’s Indian-origin presenter, Monita Rajpal, who is a news anchor at CNN since 2001. “It is about all the memorable facets of our society that stand out and leave an impression.” USP of the show is its diversity, feels London-based Rajpal. While the first episode of the show covered art and fashion in Paris, the second one delved into the legacy of guitar legend Les Paul, and the third one looks into the advertising. “We are not only focusing on established icons,” explains the veteran news anchor, who counts Mikhail Gorbachev, Tom Ford and IM Pei among her top interviews. “We are also covering people, places, or things that have the potential to be iconic.” Savin, Monique (2011-02-06). "CNN anchor's challenge: fitting workouts into 17-hour days". The Globe and Mail. Archived from the original on 2020-05-10. Retrieved 2020-05-10. The article notes: Having worked in front of the camera in Toronto, Atlanta and London, Monita Rajpal may be comfortable in the public eye, but she feels self-conscious in the gym. The 36-year-old co-anchor of CNN International's daily news show, World One, and host of icon, a monthly arts and culture show, is working with a trainer to keep her confidence - and motivation - going strong. Giles, Lee (2007-07-26). "Sikh names policy must go". Red Deer Advocate. Archived from the original on 2020-05-10. Retrieved 2020-05-10 – via Newspapers.com. The article notes: Prominent Sikh Canadians include former federal Health Minister Ujjal Dosanjh and journalist Monita Rajpal (a CNN news anchor, based at the network's London office).

Sources with quotes

Bohwongprasert, Yvonne (2013-05-07). "Firmly Anchored: CNN International's Monita Rajpal has the confidence and experience needed to spearhead two flagship shows". Bangkok Post. Archived from the original on 2020-05-10. Retrieved 2020-05-10.
The article notes:
Vivacious Monita Rajpal _ veteran CNN International anchor and correspondent oozes self-confidence and wit both on duty and off. The versatile journalist, who has covered everything from politics to luxury brands, has travelled the globe interviewing royalty, political and religious leaders and many more people besides in her 12 years with the American network.
Her amiable demeanour makes it easy to chit-chat about what it takes to survive in one of the most prominent news cable networks in the world. An ethnic Indian, Rajpal was born in Hong Kong and spent much of her childhood there before moving to Toronto, Canada, where she launched her television career.
Before returning to Hong Kong late last year, Rajpal was based in London, where she co-hosted CNN's World One. On top of English, she speaks conversational Cantonese, French and Punjabi.
...
Rajpal speaks with a heightened sense of excitement about her latest shows CNN NewsCenter and Talk Asia which were launched early this year.
Walunjkar, Somashukla Sinha (2004-08-17). "CNN's Indian link: Life as a TV anchor requires stamina. But then if you want to achieve something, you have to give your job your best, says Monita Rajpal". Hindustan Times. Press Trust of India. Archived from the original on 2020-05-10. Retrieved 2020-05-10.
The article notes:
Vibrant 20-something Monita Rajpal could have been another bright-eyed youngster back in India meeting her family in between long meetings. Only Rajpal, a graduate in radio and television arts from Ryerson Polytechnic University, Toronto, also happens to be CNN’s anchor for World News, and is in town to announce the launch of the Young Journalist Award. [quotation from Rajpal]
Rajpal has been with CNN for three odd years, after a brief stint as an assignment reporter for Citytv, Toronto, where she covered primetime nightly news, including federal elections, educational strikes and the city’s homeless. As someone who grew up admiring CNN’s Christiane Amanpour, she insists: [quotation from Rajpal]
Rajpal grew up in Hong Kong, lived in Toronto, speaks fluent Cantonese, Punjabi and French, and gets a high “meeting and interviewing” people like former Israeli Prime Minister Ehud Barak, Colombian President Andres Pastrana. [quotation from Rajpal]
Sarkar, John (2007-04-14). "Seeking cultures". The Economic Times. Archived from the original on 2020-05-10. Retrieved 2020-05-10.
The article notes:
The rich glow of the plush sofa couldn’t divert the attention from her pretty face. The soft filtered sunlight lit up her perfect features, which strongly hinted at an Indian connection. One of the most attractive faces on television, the 34-year old CNN news and business anchor Monita Rajpal needs no introduction. And with a million watt smile as your visiting card who needs one?
...
Rajpal was born in Hong Kong to a Chinese mother of Indian origin and an Indian father. She spent most of her childhood in Hong Kong before immigrating to Toronto, Canada where in 1996 she obtained a B.A.A. (Bachelor of Applied Arts) degree in Radio and Television Arts from Ryerson University before moving into television journalism and anchoring on Toronto’s Pulse24 news channel. “We have strong connections with India. My father attended Khalsa College (New Delhi) here,” reveals Rajpal.
In the past few years this avid blogger has had several big assignments to her name — the US-led ‘war against terror’, the Catholic Church scandal and unrest in Liberia to name a few. During the Iraq war she interviewed Presidents and Prime Ministers as also leaders of the Shiite Muslim political group.
Eckler, Rebecca (2001-04-04). "Former 'switchette' bound for CNN: Monita Rajpal lands coveted position with media giant". National Post. Archived from the original on 2020-05-10. Retrieved 2020-05-10 – via Newspapers.com.
The article notes:
Probably one of the worst jobs in the building is working the main switchboard, where thousands of calls come in daily. The women here are known as the "switchettes."
...
This is how Monita Rajpal started out five years ago this month. And now, the 27-year-old is off to Atlanta to take an anchor position with CNN International.
...
Upon graduation from Ryerson, she accepted a six-month receptionist position at ChumCity.
...
In February, a CNN executive in town just happened be flipping stations in his hotel room when he caught Rajpal.
Coutts, Matthew (2010-10-28). "Monita Rajpal: From a T.O. reception desk to CNN's anchor chair, this cable news icon dishes on landing her dream job and growing up in North York". TRNTO. Post City Magazines. Archived from the original on 2020-05-10. Retrieved 2020-05-10.
The article notes:
MONITA RAJPAL IS momentarily stumped. Until this point, the face of CNN International’s daily World Report has been answering questions over the phone from London with a bright voice and self-assurance honed through years in live television.
...
Rajpal has interviewed renowned world leaders and politicians for CNN, including Al Gore and former Soviet Union president Mikhail Gorbachev. No one is off the table.
...
As a child, the idea of hosting her own news program was beyond her imagination. Born in Hong Kong, Rajpal moved with her family to North York when she was 14. The area was much as it is today, a suburban paradise filled with rows of homes and shopping centres, with a direct connection to Toronto’s core.
She attended A. Y. Jackson Secondary School and participated in the school’s Amnesty International program.
Nair, Nandini (2007-03-30). "CNN anchor Monita Rajpal on the various experiences of anchoring". The Hindu. Archived from the original on 2007-05-27. Retrieved 2020-05-10.
The article notes:
Monita Rajpal has interviewed heads of states in her six-year long career at CNN. But it is the stories of people who have lost everything in an earthquake or speaking to a man whose brother is on death row that she remembers most vividly. Reporting about the Pakistan earthquake from London she says, "Words fail to describe how sad it is."
She is the news anchor for the European breakfast show "CNN Today", she also hosts "Art of Life" CNN's luxury lifestyle show.
...
Based in London, Rajpal says, "India is the land of my ancestors, yet there is not necessarily a sense of homecoming." She looks Indian and is sad to leave but this is not home, as she has lived outside India all her life.
Taneja, Nikhil (2010-09-25). "CNN's new show on art and culture: Icon explores the memorable facets of art and transcends boundaries in terms of culture and influence; Monita Rajapal, news anchor with CNN, will host the show". Hindustan Times. Archived from the original on 2020-05-10. Retrieved 2020-05-10.
The article notes:
In an attempt to create a programme that would explore the people, places or things that have made art and culture what it is, CNN, has recently launched a unique show, Icon.
“In Icon, we wanted to highlight a world that transcends boundaries both in terms of culture and influence,” says the show’s Indian-origin presenter, Monita Rajpal, who is a news anchor at CNN since 2001. “It is about all the memorable facets of our society that stand out and leave an impression.”
USP of the show is its diversity, feels London-based Rajpal. While the first episode of the show covered art and fashion in Paris, the second one delved into the legacy of guitar legend Les Paul, and the third one looks into the advertising.
“We are not only focusing on established icons,” explains the veteran news anchor, who counts Mikhail Gorbachev, Tom Ford and IM Pei among her top interviews. “We are also covering people, places, or things that have the potential to be iconic.”
Savin, Monique (2011-02-06). "CNN anchor's challenge: fitting workouts into 17-hour days". The Globe and Mail. Archived from the original on 2020-05-10. Retrieved 2020-05-10.
The article notes:
Having worked in front of the camera in Toronto, Atlanta and London, Monita Rajpal may be comfortable in the public eye, but she feels self-conscious in the gym. The 36-year-old co-anchor of CNN International's daily news show, World One, and host of icon, a monthly arts and culture show, is working with a trainer to keep her confidence - and motivation - going strong.
Giles, Lee (2007-07-26). "Sikh names policy must go". Red Deer Advocate. Archived from the original on 2020-05-10. Retrieved 2020-05-10 – via Newspapers.com.
The article notes:
Prominent Sikh Canadians include former federal Health Minister Ujjal Dosanjh and journalist Monita Rajpal (a CNN news anchor, based at the network's London office).

There is sufficient coverage in reliable sources to allow Monita Rajpal to pass Wikipedia:Notability#General notability guideline, which requires "significant coverage in reliable sources that are independent of the subject".

Cunard (talk) 11:30, 10 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Monita Rajpal worked for CNN International between 2001 and 2014 in Atlanta, London, and Hong Kong.
At CNN, she interviewed Ehud Barak, a former Prime Minister of Israel; Andrés Pastrana Arango, the then-President of Colombia; and Moses Blah, who had just taken office as President of Liberia. She also interviewed Mikhail Gorbachev, Vicente Fox, Al Gore, Tom Ford, and I. M. Pei.
She has received substantial coverage in the Bangkok Post, the Press Trust of India, The Economic Times, the National Post, TRNTO, and The Hindu.
Cunard (talk) 11:30, 10 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Comment: I rewrote the article. The article previously had one inline reference, which was to the subject's website. The article now has 15 inline citations.
Cunard (talk) 11:30, 10 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Keep per WP:BASIC, WP:HEY, and thanks to Cunard's editing. pburka (talk) 12:49, 12 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: Looks like a WP:HEY case but more opinions would be appreciated.
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Keep per Cunard's demonstration of significant, independent reliable coverage. CJK09 (talk) 17:53, 14 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Keep per the edits and increased coverage, also a major international news presenter. Sadads (talk) 22:11, 19 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. Yunshui ^雲 _水 09:21, 21 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Wole Lawal

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Contested PROD. UPE, and borderline speedy deletion material. No claim to notability in the article, and the four sources are three copies of the same press release, published and superficially rephrased in three different places, and a short promotion piece. I have not found any secondary sources, and the fact that the last reference was published a few hours before it was added to the article indicates that there are no better sources – they are adding everything they can, and it's all promotional and self-published. bonadea contributions talk 08:23, 14 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete spam. Mccapra (talk) 08:39, 14 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Delete per nom. - Flori4nKT A L K 09:24, 14 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Delete — I initially prodded this & I stand by the nom. Subject of article lacks in-depth significant coverage in reliable sources. I should really have just “AFD’d” it from the jump. Celestina007 (talk) 12:34, 14 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Delete. The subject lacks in-depth coverage in reliable secondary sources. Versace1608 ^{Wanna Talk?} 18:36, 15 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Delete per nominator. Ptinphusmia (talk) 19:42, 15 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was Remove to draft. We need to.respect the earlier discussion in January and this should not.come back from draft unless independently reviewed and well sourced. Spartaz ^Humbug! 22:54, 25 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Noctivagus (band)

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An article in respect of this band has been created and deleted at Noctivagus and that title subsequently protected against creation. This page was declined at review but moved to mainspace without much improvement. There would seem to be a claim to significance but I cannot see that WP:NMUSIC has been satisfied. The band seems to have no notable members or output. Eagleash (talk) 12:08, 30 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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keep an expand! The are one of most imortant bands of portugal in alternative goth music and they also are a pioneer (gothic rock) band in the city of Setúbal. In 2000 they go to the city of Almada(Watch the award-winning film (Documentary "Na Margem: Uma História da Rock"MUVI Festival (International Film Music Festival), 2019.(Movie Documentary who collects the rock in Almada,Setúbal about 60 Years)".*--Darwave81 (talk) 11:11, 1 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Note: Darwave81 is the creator of the article.Eagleash (talk) 12:47, 1 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Yes I am :) --Darwave81 (talk) 12:56, 1 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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Strong keep!--Daliagoth (talk) 11:19, 12 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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Leaning keep, as it does seem to have coverage in independent media. Possibly move to draft for improvement. BD2412 T 23:07, 21 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was keep per strong precedent for articles of this type and discussion below; if there are issues with notability of specific awards on the list, WP:SOFIXIT. Unless a lot of them were taken away, there'd still be enough to make a single article unwieldy. (non-admin closure) Naypta ☺ | ✉ talk page | 10:06, 21 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

List of awards and nominations received by Sarah Geronimo

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List of fancruft related to a Filipina singer. Of the several dozen entries in the various lists in the article, a huge chunk is poorly sourced or exaggeration i.e. World Music Awards only having won one. There have been previous attempts to correct but has just been reverted. Some of which seems to be of dubious quality and the inclusion of multiple awards which are non-notable. Formatting of this list seems to be another major concern. Nominated for deletion both because of poor sourcing or lack thereof and because WP is an encyclopedia, not a fanblog Itssheenabautista (talk) 20:01, 6 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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That looks like all cleanup issues to me. What awards these lists should include is a matter for discussion, not deletion. A good percentage of the awards listed here have their own articles, and if the awards are notable then award recipients are necessarily verifiable. Present lack of sourcing is not a deletion argument. postdlf (talk) 21:47, 6 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]
KEEP The history of the article doesn't show any "previous attempts to correct", nor has anything been "reverted" since 4 March 2018‎ and that was something minor. No discussion on the talk page either. If an award is notable, it should be listed here. If anything isn't, then discuss it and remove it. I don't see how this is any different than any of the other spinout articles for actors or musicians listing their awards won. Category:Lists of awards received by actor Category:Lists of awards received by musician Dream Focus 01:08, 7 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Delete we can cover this in the main article on the subject.John Pack Lambert (talk) 14:25, 8 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]
How would you fit that much in the other article? It'd be far too long. Dream Focus 16:29, 8 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep as this a valid referenced split from a notable article that would be too long with this merged back into it as per WP:PAPER, imv, Atlantic306 (talk) 00:28, 17 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. Tone 16:08, 21 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Tamanna (Bangladeshi actress)

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This article has been written as WP:PROMO, and it fails WP:GNG. Hatchens (talk) 16:34, 30 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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Comment: While admitting that I am not in the best position to assess this article, it seems as though deletion is probably reasonable—however, I would love to here people's thoughts on the non-English sources before I officially vote. Here is one English source, though it doesn't look to be a particularly reliable source: http://m.thedailynewnation.com/news/205055/tamanna-not-to-return-country-this-month. As an aside, I don't believe that the article is written in a promotional style, although that could be easily fixed, anyway. Dflaw4 (talk) 12:20, 6 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Comments: I didn't see obvious promo. I see a terrible article but that is not grounds for deletion. There may be some confusion. The article states "She made her debut in Dhallywood with Tyajyoputro". this source states "Tamanna made her film debut with the late Shahidul Islam Khokon's 'Bhand'." -- Otr500 (talk) 02:23, 7 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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Weak delete. While WP:SYSTEMICBIAS is an issue, not a single film listed in her filmography seems to be notable (not even linked). --_{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here} 02:14, 15 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. Tone 16:09, 21 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Six Gun Savior

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Non-notable film, no significant coverage, sources provided do not indicate notability of the film, they only mention it trivially, per WP:NF, notable cast members does not imply this film is notable, per WP:INHERIT BOVINEBOY2008 16:06, 29 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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Probably delete I ran a google search, nothing noted on Rotten Tomatoes, some post on blogcritics.org I'm not even sure that's RS. I fail to see this passing notability on those notes. Govvy (talk) 10:50, 14 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was speedy-delete (G3). (non-admin closure) AllyD (talk) 16:05, 14 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Nursultan Andakulov

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The player seems not-notable as per WP:NSOCCER. Also, it is said that he played for Bayern Munich II which is not supported by any source. The references provided are also un-reliable as per WP:RS ~Amkgp ✉ 04:41, 14 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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Speedy delete The Soccerway profile (the only reliable source) links to Asror Gofurov. Given that Nursultan12 created this article it is possible he made up a fake football career and gave himself a Wikipedia page. Dougal18 (talk) 06:54, 14 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Blatant hoax, player does not verifiably exist. – Thjarkur (talk) 10:43, 14 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Speedy delete as hoax Spiderone 10:48, 14 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was keep. Sources are clearly available; the article should be improved per WP:FIXTHEPROBLEM with them. (non-admin closure) Naypta ☺ | ✉ talk page | 14:02, 21 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Argentine Pila Dog

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Fails GNG. At the time of nomination the article has five sources:

the first is used to cite a sentence about a completely different breed, the Chinese Crested Dog
the second is used to provide a translation for the word “Pila”, meaning hairless or naked
the third is an unverifiable book that is only used cite a number of dogs at a 2008 Argentine dog show, further a search of a number of ISBN search engines fails to find the work
the forth an archived link to a dead page of an obscure Argentine dog breed association, the Asociación Canina Argentina, the official national kennel club of Argentina is the Federación Cinológica Argentina
the fifth not only fails as RS but does not even mention these dogs.

A search of Google found nothing attributable. Cavalryman (talk) 04:35, 14 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete. The name appears once on Google scholar here, with the name appearing once in that article with no further elaboration. The name appeares in Google books Xoloitzcuintli with the article stating that this dog first appeared in Argentina in the 1950s and implies that it is an imported Xoloitzcuintli but without actually saying that. Fails notability in my opinion: "Significant coverage" addresses the topic directly and in detail....is more than a trivial mention, William Harristalk 09:36, 14 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Keep Substantially more coverage exists in Spanish than in English, which is unsurprising for a local breed in a Spanish-speaking country, especially considering that this is a breed "in danger of extinction" (en peligro de extinción, first source linked below). The article on Spanish Wikipedia was a useful starting point for finding sources and coverage. I found a press release from the Argentine Canine Association announcing their official recognition of the breed and laying out the criteria of its breed standard. The Argentine Kennel Club, a member of the Pan-American Kennel Union, describes the perro pila as an "native Argentine breed". There is an article about the perro pila from La Gaceta Salta. In a publication by the La Plata National University there is a full page about the perro pila. There are a number of other results as well. Significant coverage clearly exists to sail past the GNG and justify the breed having its own article. CJK09 (talk) 18:14, 14 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Keep In view of the sources found by CJK09, I think that the subject meets GNG. aboideau^talk 21:04, 14 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Comment The above references from CJK09 - if included in the article - would support a WP:MOVE from "Argentine Pila Dog" to "Perro pila". William Harristalk 21:58, 15 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Perro is Spanish for "dog"...; and given that ~~some~~all of these sources are in Spanish, well, this is, to put it simply, quite unsurprising... RandomCanadian (talk | contribs) 02:10, 17 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Keep The sources provided by CJK09 are uncontroversial and make this topic meet WP:GNG. RandomCanadian (talk | contribs) 02:12, 17 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was keep. Drmies (talk) 20:01, 17 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Jordan Goudreau

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Merge with La Guaira naval attack as subject fails notability threshold on his own. Kiteinthewind ^{Leave a message!} 01:38, 6 May 2020 (UTC) Kiteinthewind ^{Leave a message!} 01:38, 6 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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Merge I did wonder why he had an article, I'm not surprised it's basically empty. If his military career is non-notable, merge anything significant across. Kingsif (talk) 03:39, 6 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Merge and redirect He was covered in the New York Times and the Guardian, but that coverage primarily focuses on his involvement in the La Guaira Naval Attack. There might be additional biographical information that could justify Goudreau having his own page, but it needs to be properly cited. Sebanderson (talk) 03:44, 6 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Merge and redirect to La Guaira Naval Attack, he fails WP:GNG. Mztourist (talk) 04:59, 6 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Strong Keep This is clearly a notable personage who caused a very serious international incident, namely violating the borders of a sovereign state with the intention of kidnapping the head of state. His name has been cited by numerous reliable media sources. Additionally Goudreau has been awarded the bronze star three times and is CEO of Silvercorp -- a private security corporation (https://www.silvercorpusa.com/). Flaviusvulso (talk) 05:11, 6 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Comment multiple Bronze Stars doesn't meet #1 of WP:SOLDIER. Mztourist (talk) 05:45, 6 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Comment Yes, but the awards lend weight to case that this article should be kept and that Jordan Goudreau is a notable personage.Flaviusvulso (talk) 07:06, 6 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

The Bronze Star is the fourth highest ranking medal so it doesn't meet #1 of WP:SOLDIER and isn't a basis for WP:GNG. Mztourist (talk) 08:00, 6 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

The fact that Jordan Goudreau has received significant coverage by numerous independant media sources clearly meets the criteria for WP:GNG. Flaviusvulso (talk) 13:40, 6 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Strong Keep The guy organized an armed incursion into a hostile foreign country, which albeit failed spectacularly (as it always was going to), you can't take away the historical significance of his actions. People are dead, American citizens have been captured and paraded on state TV, and the diplomatic fallout has huge implications for the Trump administration. Jordan Goudrea deserves to be remembered for this. He has played just as much a bigger role in all this than Clíver Alcalá Cordones, yet nobody is calling for his article to be deleted or merged. GWA88 (talk) 06:44, 6 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Comment as a Major General Clíver Alcalá Cordones satisfies #2 of WP:SOLDIER and so his page would be justified whatever his involvement in coup plots. Mztourist (talk) 08:03, 6 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Comment Not only that, but Alcalá was also a government official during Chávez administration and currently faces criminal charges. In other words, he has had coverage way before these events. --Jamez42 (talk) 14:41, 7 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Keep After the last events he is notable enough to have his own article in wiki--Noel baran (talk) 07:27, 6 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Redirect per WP:BIO1E. He may become later, but right now it's WP:TOOSOON. b uidhe 09:10, 6 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

*Merge and redirect to La Guaira Naval Attack, as it already mentions in that article. --cyrfaw (talk) 09:30, 6 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Strong keep - Article now much better that before. --cyrfaw (talk) 21:25, 9 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Merge and redirect to La Guaira Naval Attack. Nika2020 (talk) 16:03, 6 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Merge and redirect, WP:ONEEVENT seems to apply. --Jamez42 (talk) 16:48, 6 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Keep - ~~since he was also involved in the 2019 Venezuelan uprising attempt: [50]~~. --СССР (talk) 18:46, 6 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

The source doesn't say that. It says the planning for the May 3 attack began after that uprising failed. Kingsif (talk) 19:26, 6 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Ah, yes, I misunderstood. Nevertheless, keeping my vote due to the criterion 4 of WP:MILPEOPLE. --СССР (talk) 20:25, 6 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Keep. For all the reasons previously stated. Also, he did some security for Trump rallies. And he met with representatives of Venezuelan opposition figure Juan Guaidó in May 2019. See article. Google search for his name in quotes (Search: "Jordan Goudreau") currently pulls up ~~349,000~~ results. (Later note on May 12: 610,000 results). --Timeshifter (talk) 04:45, 7 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Comment Great point. A quick Google search of his name brings up thousands of results, including from numerous mainstream sources. It's clear more will come out about him in the future as well, seems stupid to merge now when an article about him will be needed sometime in the near future. People will want to read about the guy who masterminded an armed raid on Venezuela, in fact at this very moment the article has over 38,000 pageviews, meanwhile there are somewhat pointless articles on Wikipedia which have less than 1,000 pageviews despite being on here for years. GWA88 (talk) 08:20, 7 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Keep. As per previous comments in favour of keeping. Burrobert (talk) 23:25, 7 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Comment. More and more info is coming out making him more and more notable. He was on the radar of the DEA since March, weeks before the coup attempt. Officials in Congress are now also expressing concern over possible links Goodreau might have had to the federal government. See article. --Timeshifter (talk) 00:01, 8 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Keep definitely meets the notability requirements.XavierGreen (talk) 15:24, 8 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Keep - Notability clearly established. (Gabinho^>:) 17:46, 8 May 2020 (UTC))[reply]

Keep I believe that the topic deserves a separate article. --► Sincerely: Sola Virum 04:14, 10 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Weak Delete or Merge - Seems like a clear cut case of WP:BIO1E. It's not clear that this guy's "raid" is a "highly significant" event. NickCT (talk) 08:27, 11 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Keep - More details have been revealed and WP:BIO1E does not apply since this is a major international event. Article is much better than when it was nominated for deletion.----ZiaLater (talk) 03:33, 12 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep per Flaviusvulso. - Flori4nKT A L K 09:44, 14 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Strong Keep This person owns a mercenary corporation that not only has become a major player in the American incursion into Venezuela but claims to run operations in over 50 countries and once conducted security for USA president Donald Trump. Some editors want to merge this article with the recent attacks on Venezuela but it seems he has done far more than that with his life. He is likely to become emroiled in more controversies and important political events as time goes on. BulgeUwU (talk) 05:51, 17 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Comment I would ask to be careful with Goudreau's claims, as some of them might have been inflated. I should note once again that before 3 May, it appears there was virtually no coverage of him. --Jamez42 (talk) 17:23, 17 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. Tone 16:09, 21 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Tour European Rally

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Non-notable. No secondary sources for the past two years (random links were just added, but no references). Almost used as a schedule page for the series, rather than an encyclopedic article. Images placed everywhere. Ìch heiss Nat ùn ìch redd e wenig Elsässisch!^{Talk to me in EN, FR, PL, GSW-FR(ALS).} 03:16, 14 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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Additionally, there are clear COI issues. --Ìch heiss Nat ùn ìch redd e wenig Elsässisch!^{Talk to me in EN, FR, PL, GSW-FR(ALS).} 03:27, 14 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Delete: Nominator has made valid points. - Aaqib Anjum Aafī (^talk) 05:11, 14 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Undecided: I think it is notable, but I agree that the article in the current form is not up to standards. I don't have the time right now to improve it, but if someone would, I'd prefer that over deletion. Maybe we can trim it to a very short article just stating the basic facts about the series and maybe a list of winners in the main category? Wild8oar (talk) 05:52, 14 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was delete. Tone 16:09, 21 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Yellow Dog Road, Kentucky

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Yes, there's a Yellow Dog Road here, extending some way from Cunningham, Kentucky until it turns into County Line Road, connecting to road 1628, Lynn Road, and HWY 62. There are a few archive mentions as a generic road [51][52][53][54] but no indication this is a notable community any more than the neighbors of Huddleston Store Road or Shelbourne Road in this county or 75th Street in mine. GNIS cites Rennick who did not mention it in Kentucky Place Names. Reywas92^Talk 02:26, 14 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete All of the sources I found describe this as a road, not a community. –dlthewave ☎ 12:27, 14 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. Yunshui ^雲 _水 09:22, 21 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Hog Rock, Kentucky

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I see no community at the given coordinates, no appearance on any topo map or archives, and GNIS even calls it a locale. It cites Rennick but Kentucky Place Names doesn't mention it. Reywas92^Talk 02:11, 14 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete Non-notable locale. –dlthewave ☎ 12:31, 14 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Delete This really doesn't seem to exist except as a local term. /Tpdwkouaa (talk) 18:04, 14 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Comment The Google Map link shown in the nomination shows Hog Rock as a locale on both the satellite and the map view, but you have to zoom in and out; it doesn't appear in all zoom levels. RecycledPixels (talk) 22:06, 14 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Yes, that's how Google Maps works. They import names and coordinates from GNIS but that doesn't make it any more informative or accurate. Not every random dead-end road with some homes on it is a notable community, even with a name like Catron Hollow (Road). Reywas92^Talk 19:23, 15 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]
GMaps also imports descriptions from Wikipedia. They had it labelled as an "unincorporated community" until I changed our article. For more on this phenomenon, see WP:GNIS. –dlthewave ☎ 20:21, 15 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Got it, thanks. RecycledPixels (talk) 19:26, 18 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Delete: Per Nom. Fails WP:GEOLAND. A search did not turn up anything and it should be noted that Google maps does list Wikipedia entries that makes it circular. Recording locations or topographic map names in some attempt to try to comply with being a "Gazetteer" still must comply with WP:GNG. I am all for keeping articles on notable locations, especially historic such as ghost towns, but dictionary entries based only on GNIS coordinates or a name on a map is pushing it. If there is "any notability", but not enough for a stand alone article, then covering the subject in the parent article is sufficient. -- Otr500 (talk) 14:04, 20 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. Tone 16:09, 21 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Mid America Railcar Leasing

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Non-notable company. The only pertinent information a web search turns up are basic business documents and a handful of routine new stories (cars being vandalized, etc) - nothing that establishes notability. Pi.1415926535 (talk) 01:12, 14 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete: Does not pass GNG or NCORP; could't find any significant coverage in secondary sources online. Nyamo Kurosawa (talk) 09:46, 17 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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Jake Sakson

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Minor child actor. Per 21st Young Artist Awards, only a nominee, not actually a winner. While the movie was reviewed in the New York Times, his part in the film Don't Look Under the Bed was minor and the review does not focus on it. No other coverage located. PROD ineligible as it was de-PROD'd in 2007. ♠PMC♠ (talk) 00:59, 14 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete a non-notable actor.John Pack Lambert (talk) 20:06, 14 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Weak Keep: My initial response was to vote "delete", since the subject only seems to have one notable credit for the purposes of WP:NACTOR—but there are some sources out there, including a very in-depth write-up in the Los Angeles Times (the first three links): here, here, here and here. So, combined with the fact that he was nominated for a notable award (even though that doesn't technically meet WP:ANYBIO), the page might be justifiable on the grounds of WP:GNG. Dflaw4 (talk) 10:20, 15 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

One lengthy writeup combined with a scant paragraph does not meet GNG. Awards confer notability only in that we expect recipients of notable awards to recieve press coverage (Oscar nominees, for example, are practically guaranteed coverage) - if there's no coverage, there's no weight to the notability claim. ♠PMC♠ (talk) 10:37, 15 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

I disagree—it's a very good write-up, and the sources are able to verify basically all of his roles. That being said, I don't intend to vote any higher than a "Weak Keep". Dflaw4 (talk) 00:18, 16 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

You're actively misinterpreting the GNG, which requires multiple significant sources. One significant source and a bunch of name-drops does not meet that standard. ♠PMC♠ (talk) 00:59, 16 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

PMC, I don't think I am actively misinterpreting it. There is no absolute requirement for multiple sources (however, I provided two, which is "multiple"). If other editors disagree with my opinion, though, they will outvote me. I have no problem with that. Dflaw4 (talk) 13:42, 17 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Delete per nom: and to be honest, I don't think a "weak keep" !vote amounts to much more than a self-admission that the sourcing is poor. serial ^# 22:21, 15 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

serial, my admission is that the NACTOR argument is poor, as I pointed out above. Dflaw4 (talk) 00:15, 16 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. Yunshui ^雲 _水 09:23, 21 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Safe@Last

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No significant coverage per WP:ORG. SL93 (talk) 00:25, 14 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Delete, also a WP:GNG fail. dibbydib ^boop or _snoop 00:56, 14 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete.' Obviously non-notable. Java Hurricane 05:24, 14 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Delete per comments above Epluribusunumyall (talk) 08:36, 14 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Delete, per comments above, Signed,The4lines |||| ^{(You Asked?) (What I have Done.)} 15:27, 14 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Move the article to Depaul UK, the parent organisation, which does have significant coverage. Rathfelder (talk) 18:26, 15 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. Tone 16:09, 21 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Hollywood Beauty Awards

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Non-notable award. Obscure sources. Cornerstonepicker (talk) 00:15, 14 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Delete. This looks like a WP:POINTy creation in order to include yet more crufty on the list of awards for Britney Spears, where fanbois have resisted removasl of non-notable awards with no articles. Guy (help!) 07:48, 14 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]
- comment That article keeps re-adding non-notable awards every week... it's incredible and tiring. Cornerstonepicker (talk) 00:48, 18 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

@CAPTAIN RAJU: can u change this article to draft because this article is still not complete also there are many proper sourcing that i can put to meet the criteria. Saiff Naqiuddin (talk) 02:20, 14 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete I can't find any sources that don't look like lightly rehashed press releases. GirthSummit _(blether) 14:19, 21 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. Yunshui ^雲 _水 09:23, 21 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Pop Corn Music Awards

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Non notable award, obscure sources Cornerstonepicker (talk) 00:02, 14 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete, fails WP:GNG. Java Hurricane 05:26, 14 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Delete. Yet another seasonal spacefiller of an award. Guy (help!) 07:45, 14 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Delete, Fails GNG for sure. Signed,The4lines |||| ^{(You Asked?) (What I have Done.)} 15:25, 14 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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