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The result was no consensus. I recommend not bundling articles together unless a single rationale can be applied to all of them. Here, each organization stands on its own merits, and it is hard to discern a consensus when several non-equivalent entries are in the mix. King of ♥ 05:12, 26 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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Not seeing WP:GNG. Club teams are pay-to-play and "national championships" aren't really that due to the pay-to-play nature and the emergence of semi-pro leagues that dilute the talent pool. Also nominating other non-notable ultimate entities that do not satisfy GNG. Willsome429 (say hey or see my edits!) 13:36, 2 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete fails WP:ORG/WP:NSPORT. No relaible source, not a single source describing topic of the article. 4 of the sources seem spam. Drat8sub (talk) 13:41, 2 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]
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Keep (most) The articles are in a poor state, but it wasn't hard to find multiple independent secondary sources (which seem reliable enough) for most of them, which should satisfy WP:GNG. Just FYI regarding the national championships, there are financial barriers to playing any sport; the semi-professional leagues have non-overlapping schedules with the club season (and the dilution of the club talent pool is minimal, if anything its the other way around); most of the cited national championships happened before the existence of semi-professional leagues; the articles also cite worlds level championships. The three clubs here have won major international tournaments held on 4-year cycles, and to quote this line from WP:NSPORT: "that sports figures are likely to meet Wikipedia's basic standards of inclusion if they have, for example, participated in a major international amateur or professional competition at the highest level" AZ 02:08, 3 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Also, there were two prior AfDs 1 2 that were consensus keep. AZ 03:12, 5 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]
To augment comment from AndyZ: The Championships are run by the National Governing Body for Sport in the US, part of the USOPC and World Flying Disc Federation, part of the IOC. These events are analogous to other smaller international sporting events which are part of the Olympic family. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Ahgoff (talk • contribs) 21:15, 3 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Note this was the user's first edit. Ahgoff, I'm not sure how that six-degrees line of reasoning implies notability. Willsome429 (say hey or see my edits!) 18:52, 4 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]
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Keep The USA Ultimate Club National Championships have been contested for men since 1979 and women since 1981. Vancouver Furious George have won three championships, multiple Canadian national championships, and are still competing at the highest level today. Seattle Sockeye are the defending club national champions and have won four club titles overall. Seattle Riot have won two national championships and are still competing at the very highest level. The statement that "club teams are pay-to-play and 'national championships' aren't really that due to the pay-to-play nature and the emergence of semi-pro leagues that dilute the talent pool" is completely non-sensical. First, there are many "pay-to-play" (read: amateur) sports leagues, teams, and individuals that are worthy of inclusion on Wikipedia. Second, there is no ambiguity about whether the USAU Club National Championships represent a true national championship of ultimate frisbee. Third, semi-pro leagues such as the American Ultimate Disc League are comprised of the same players that compete in the USAU club series. If anything, the AUDL talent pool is diluted by most players preferring to exclusively play in the USAU club series. As quoted above from WP:NSPORT: "sports figures are likely to meet Wikipedia's basic standards of inclusion if they have, for example, participated in a major international amateur or professional competition at the highest level" [[1]] 13:57, 9 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]
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In case it wasn't clear from my comment above, I had added multiple secondary sources and cleared a few of the dead links. There are many more secondary sources from Ultimate media, which probably would fall under WP:N but I didn't want to start a debate about that. The previous state of the articles does not imply lack of notability (WP:ARTN/WP:NEXIST). AZ 05:07, 18 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was delete. ♠PMC(talk) 05:37, 25 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

The Werewolf Reborn!

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Non notable film with no independent 3rd party reviews. Donaldd23 (talk) 22:45, 17 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. King of ♥ 05:07, 26 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Frankenstein & the Werewolf Reborn!

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Non notable film with no independent 3rd party reviews. This film is a compilation of 2 shorts...one of which doesn't even have its own article, and the other one also of questionable notability. Donaldd23 (talk) 22:45, 17 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Delete; I agree it doesn't meet notability standard. WhinyTheYounger (talk) 00:28, 18 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was delete. Mz7 (talk) 21:40, 24 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Tricky Software

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Unsourced since 2008. I'm aware there is no deadline, but this is ridiculous. 11 years, 8 months, 30 days. This is one of hundreds of articles on video game companies that have no sources at all. I have so far held off from nominating them because nominating all of them would overwhelm AfD, and nominating only one of them seems unfair. I'm choosing this one because it's on my watchlist and was recently updated, and the sources that are listed at the only article about a game this article links to (Spore Origins) make no mention of the subject at all. Vexations (talk) 13:37, 9 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep - I added some sources to the article. More are still needed but it’s a start. Balle010 (talk) 18:33, 9 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Comment Spore Origins at least has an article. Captain Galaxy (talk) 16:27, 15 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was keep. (non-admin closure) RandomCanadian (talk / contribs) 21:34, 24 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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Another article related to Scouts-in-Exteris, though I am loath to nominating them as a batch. Here is another non-notable organization, though this one seems to cite secondary sources; look closer, though, and discover that the Kroonenberg book, The Undaunted: Keeping the Scouting Spirit Alive, is hardly an objective secondary source. In other words: non-notable, borderline promotional. Drmies (talk) 00:52, 23 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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  • @MarginalCost: Thank you for establishing the reliability of the Russian site, but I think that we can still accept the article under the terms of WP:SPS. The authors are shown on the first page of that upload here, one of whom is N.K. Radevich, head of the educational-methodical department of foreign languages ​​of the Minsk Regional Institute for the Development of Education. Scholar returns this paper co-authored by Natalya Kazimirovna Radevich (she is definitely the same person since the institution affiliation is the same). Machine translation of the publication details gives Education of the Minsk Region, No 5 (52), 2014. A prima facie reliable journal, so Radevich is previously published on youth matters thus meeting WP:SPS. And besides that, we still have Piet J. Kroonenberg's book which is the source the article actually relies on, and Kroonenberg is self-evidentently an expert in scouting. SpinningSpark 16:27, 16 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]
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  • @Pesticide1110: which article are you having problems with? The article on the Russian site I was talking about is actually written in English so doesn't need translating. User:MarginalCost listed three Russian language sources, all of which work for me. If you are still having trouble, you can send me an e-mail and I will forward a copy to you. SpinningSpark 09:58, 19 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]
( Slightly better archive copy, this one has the header, but still no pictures archived. SpinningSpark 12:20, 19 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]
The following paragraph explains why i think the article should be kept:
The main two concerns i had, on which i am to base my opinion, about the article were WP:N and WP:GNG. First of all, its impossible to fully read the whole articles given by the sources of MarginalCost. It seems to cover the entire history. So i read only a few important lines. Combining the knowledge i gathered from all of the three above sources, i can say that the movement had a far-reaching impact on people's lives then. And hence the historical and cultural significance can hardly be doubted. It is definitely a one-of-its-kind movement in Belarusian history so for me it passes WP:N. Regarding WP:GNG, we the english wikipedians, can not tell it with that much accuracy since we cannot understand and find most of the sources that are about the subject. But still from the four sources provided by MarginalCost, 2 sources by the article itself and one by Spark, we can cite all the content in the article. And all the citations can be considered reliable. Especially the three provided by MarginalCost is written by the lecturers of Belarusian State University and hence is reliable. Overall the movement is of a very high historical significance and hence it is must to have an article on wikipedia about it. Regards Pesticide1110 Lets wrestle! 13:30, 19 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was keep. (non-admin closure) Captain Galaxy (talk) 22:30, 24 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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Poor references provided despite several opportunities to expand. Article is more of a CV rather than an article. Doesn't fit WP:GNG criteria. - Funky Snack (Talk) 14:24, 9 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was redirect -- JHunterJ (talk) 12:07, 24 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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This dab page is not necessary per WP:TWODABS. It looks like this was a dab page from 2007 until 2020, where it was redirected to Middle-earth weapons and armour#Aeglos by @BenKuykendall:. In May, the dab page was restored by @Rich Farmbrough:. A Google search reveals that the spear definitely has primary topic over the plant. Therefore, this should be redirected to Middle-earth weapons and armour#Aeglos, since the spear is the primary topic. Aeglos (disambiguation) should then be deleted per WP:G14, and a hatnote should be added to the section about the spear pointing to the sentence about the plant at List of fictional plants. Hog Farm (talk) 21:59, 17 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was redirect -- JHunterJ (talk) 11:53, 24 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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Set index article consisting of one bluelink, one blacklink, and one redlink. The blacklink and the redlink don't appear to be particularly important/notable, and don't seem to be mentioned anywhere on the Wikipedia, although I may have missed something. Currently, this SIA has only one working target, and this would not make a good base name for that one target, per the comics MOS. Hog Farm (talk) 21:49, 17 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was deleted as G5. (non-admin closure) —  HELLKNOWZ   ▎TALK 09:11, 19 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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It doesn't seem to be notable. No significant coverage in English or Persian. Hanooz (talk) 14:21, 10 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. Malcolmxl5 (talk) 03:47, 25 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Clark Shao

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It is a bit of a mystery how this article about a fitness instructor stayed below the radar for so long – there is no claim to notability, and the only coverage in independent sources is in connection with the tragic accident that killed him. (There is also a trivial mention here, but that has no information about Shao, it just lists his name). I have attempted to find sources to confirm some of the claims in the article, but only come up with primary sources and Wikipedia mirrors. bonadea contributions talk 17:39, 10 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. czar 03:09, 25 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Underground Gaming

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Non-notable e-sports organization from Kuwait. Sources are almost all social media. This is the last remaining of a bunch of articles created by this author on the subject. JTtheOG (talk) 20:44, 17 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was moved to Draft:Sabina Almammadova. The article should not be restored to mainspace unless it satisfies normal AfC review. BD2412 T 03:56, 25 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Sabina Almammadova

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This article is written like a resume -- no reliable sources.P,TO 19104 (talk) (contributions) 20:47, 17 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. ♠PMC(talk) 05:38, 25 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Peter Harris Kent

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Doesn't meet WP:ENT or WP:GNG. Boleyn (talk) 20:32, 17 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. Mz7 (talk) 22:21, 24 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Karen Hall Stewart

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Previously deleted bio of non notable businesswoman, resume-like and lacking sufficient reliable independent sources. Mccapra (talk) 20:29, 17 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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Consensus is clear - and a weak keep shouldn't slow it. Nfitz (talk) 21:46, 23 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was delete. Mz7 (talk) 22:22, 24 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

List of pages in Shughni Wikipedia

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Per WP:LISTCRUFT, WP:NOTDIRECTORY, and WP:SALAT. Related AFD: WP:Articles for deletion/Pages in Karakalpak Wikipedia. Schazjmd (talk) 20:11, 17 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was redirect to The Fairly OddParents (season 6)#ep75. The assessment that the sources are only short blurbs appears correct; therefore the redirect arguments are much stronger in determining consensus, and I don't see grounds for keeping this discussion running longer. (non-admin closure) RandomCanadian (talk / contribs) 23:26, 25 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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Non-notable TV special. GhostDestroyer100 (talk) 14:53, 10 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Non notable The Fairly OddParents TV movie. I didn't found anything that indicates notability. The sourcing in the article relies on databases, but my Google search did not turn up any better. Trivial mentions and databases, forums, Amazon pages and links where you can watch the film/buy the DVD. But nothing that indicates notability. While FOP is obviously a notable show, its made-for-TV specials does not deserve their own articles as they are better suited for a fandom wiki (in fact there is a FOP fandom wiki). This movie has articles on other wikis too but the sourcing is a problem on every one of them (some of them does not even cite any sources, while the rest cites sites like IMDb, TV.com and Big Cartoon Database as sources). GhostDestroyer100 (talk) 14:51, 10 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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This film was not treated like just another episode of the series — it had specific online promotion including a video game, and achieved ratings beyond what was usual for a season premiere. I believe that this demonstrates notability. — Toughpigs (talk) 19:37, 10 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was delete. Will add salt. Malcolmxl5 (talk) 03:50, 25 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Vernon D'Souza

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Fails WP:GNG and WP:NMUSICIAN. WP:REFBOMBed with unreliable sources and was twice rejected at Draft:Vernon D'Souza GPL93 (talk) 19:52, 17 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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Ponyo I agree that it should play out. An AfD deletion also allows editors to WP:G4 any recreation although salting isn't a bad idea. Best, GPL93 (talk) 19:40, 22 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was delete. Malcolmxl5 (talk) 03:53, 25 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Alex Dumani

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The sources in the article are all affiliated, and I find no applicable coverage of him to satisfy the notability requirements, WP:GNG or WP:BIO. For what it's worth, the article itself doesn't necessarily set an expectation that he would be notable. Largoplazo (talk) 19:40, 17 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was keep. (non-admin closure) Captain Galaxy (talk) 22:23, 24 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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This may be a notable episode of the comedy series Community from its gas leak season, with its the article having multiple issues, if it were to avoid deletion, I don’t know it would be best to WP:BLOWITUP as the article has multiple problems that were brought up a few months after the episode first aired. Pahiy (talk) 18:23, 9 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was keep. Mz7 (talk) 21:44, 24 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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Non-notable 17jiangz1 (talk) 01:32, 10 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. Barkeep49 (talk) 02:02, 26 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Fraud Allegations in South Korea's 21st Parliamentary Election

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WP:POVFORK from 2020 South Korean legislative election. There have been a few attempts to insert this material to the main article by new accounts or ones that rarely edit.[3][4] It seems that when they were unable to, this article was created instead. Prod removed by article creator (after it expired). Number 57 08:19, 10 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. Sandstein 17:03, 24 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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Notability ahuR ☘ 15:19, 10 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was redirect to Myriad (disambiguation). -- JHunterJ (talk) 11:43, 24 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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Set index article with only one non-redlinked entry. One entry was deleted via PROD in January, the comics series looks NN since the publisher is a redirect. That leaves only one non-redlink in this SIA. Per the comics project MOS, this title wouldn't make a good article title, so this should be deleted. Hog Farm (talk) 18:48, 17 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was keep. Barkeep49 (talk) 02:00, 26 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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The article has been tagged for notability issues for 18 months; its content chronology has not been updated in 5 years. The primary topic of the article is about something that does not currently exist (and probably never will at this point). SteveCof00 (talk) 09:40, 2 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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*Delete and condense content to move to Transportation in Chicago#Proposed airports (the subsection already borrows most of the first sentence of the article). To further support repackaging the content within another article, this article has relatively few articles that link to it (although not literally orphaned). --SteveCof00 (talk) 08:37, 6 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. Mz7 (talk) 21:42, 24 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Sandesh Jagtap

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Student politician who fails WP:NPOL and WP:GNG. Of the seven references used 1 & 2 are passing mentions, 3 & 4 don't mention the subject at all, 5 & 6 aren't working but appear to be to the website of an organization he is a member of and 7 is his personal website. GPL93 (talk) 18:10, 17 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was speedy keep. Nomination withdrawn. (non-admin closure) Wiki2008time (talk) 02:54, 19 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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Does not meet WP:N and minimal WP:RS. Non-notable minor politician and physician. Wiki2008time (talk) 17:38, 17 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Withdrawn by nominator This was not made in bad faith, I genuinely don't know all the rules in this hostile place but I do feel that such short articles are inadequate for Wikipedia. I still believe they should not exist, but I see the majority disagrees because apparently every politician who has nothing interesting to be said about them still gets an encyclopedia entry, so this AfD will be deemed a "kept" regardless. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Wiki2008time (talkcontribs) 02:48, 19 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was redirect to River Blackwater (River Loddon). King of ♥ 05:04, 26 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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I am not convinced this is a real river, for the reasons expressed on Talk:River Broadwater. The section of river it refers to is called River Blackwater by the Ordnance Survey, and Twyford Brook, which is further north, was historically called the Broadwater, but has an article called Twyford Brook. Bob1960evens (talk) 17:55, 17 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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Agree. Murgatroyd49 (talk) 08:02, 18 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]
I have just discovered that the current Ordnance Survey 1:2500 map marks the stretch of river below the junction with the Whitewater as both the Broadwater and the Blackwater. I think a sentence on the Blackwater article about alternative names should be adequate.Bob1960evens (talk) 08:23, 18 June 2020 (UTC) I have now added a short section to the River Blackwater article which discusses naming, and am sure that Broadwater was applied to a small section of the Blackwater that was somewhat wider than the rest. Bob1960evens (talk) 07:59, 20 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was speedy keep. Nomination withdrawn. (non-admin closure) Wiki2008time (talk) 02:58, 19 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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Does not meet WP:N and minimal WP:RS. Completely non-notable physician. She is not the first First Nations doctor in Canada. She's just the first First Nations person who went into forensic pathology, which is not anything notable. Citations are minimal, there is nothing particularly unique about her career path - standard graduate of medicine who completed a standard residency. This page should also be marked as a medical stub but for some reason was around since 2017 and not stubbed. Wiki2008time (talk) 17:24, 17 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Withdrawn by nominator This was not made in bad faith, I genuinely don't know all the rules in this hostile place but I do feel that such short articles are inadequate for Wikipedia. I still believe they should not exist, but I see the majority disagrees because apparently every accomplishment we have as First Nations people needs to be announced like it's such a surprise some of us are able to become doctors that it needs to go in an encyclopedia, so this AfD will be deemed a "kept" regardless. --Wiki2008time (talk) 02:51, 19 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was speedy keep. Nomination withdrawn. (non-admin closure) Sricsi (talk) 11:58, 21 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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Non notable vehicle, only ever used once by Lady Gaga as a promotion for her 2013 album, Artpop. Anything that can be said about it is already covered at ArtRave#Press conference. Sricsi (talk) 17:10, 17 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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Forgot about that. - ZLEA T\C 19:00, 17 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Thank you for pointing these out, I didn't know about that. And I can't argue with that. --Sricsi (talk) 22:38, 17 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Sricsi - do you wish to withdraw this nomination? Mjroots (talk) 17:02, 19 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Mjroots, don't know how it's done, but yes, sure! --Sricsi (talk) 21:18, 20 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]
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Here are the instructions. - ZLEA T\C 21:53, 20 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was delete. Malcolmxl5 (talk) 03:55, 25 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Vista Robles, California

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Actually the Vista Robles Siding, according to the topos, well, some of them at least: others have just "Vista Robles" a bit to the west, and others have "Hearst". At any rate, a siding is what it was, on the outskirts of Palermo, which nothing much around it. There's no sign it was ever a town of its own. Mangoe (talk) 16:43, 9 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was redirect to State Treasurer of Wisconsin. Although he technically meets WP:POLITICIAN, Bearcat's arguments that we simply don't have enough sourced content to write an encyclopedic article about him are convincing. King of ♥ 05:02, 26 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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This is not a notable person and so doesn't merit a Wikipedia article. Factfanatic1 (talk) 14:44, 17 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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:This article would certainly fall under “major sub-national level” in this criteria. RedRiver660 talk 16:16, 17 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

We have no requirement that our sources be online. We can use print-only sources like newspapers and books and magazines and microfilms, so finding sourcing from the 1990s is not like finding a pin from a bush at all — it's like finding a pin in a pincushion. I don't even have any real difficulty finding sourcing from the 1890s when I need to. Bearcat (talk) 22:02, 19 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]
The thing is, our articles about politicians are supposed to go into properly sourced detail about their political impact in the role, not just to document the technical fact that they held it — they're supposed to be encyclopedia articles, not just directory listings. There are certain roles where it's a foregone conclusion that such an article can be written even if nobody's put in the work yet — so the reason we keep some poorly written articles about politicians isn't that they're exempted from having to have that kind of content, it's that sources are available to add that kind of content with and thus make their article better than it is. But temporary acting holders of political roles don't necessarily have the same improvability, which is why they don't get the same presumption of "inherent" notability as the official holders of the office. The rule isn't that we always have to have a standalone page about every holder of X political office just because they existed, even if it's completely impossible to say or source any content about their political significance — the notability test for all politicians, even in the "inherently" notable roles, always hinges on the ability to write and source some substantive content about their work in the role, and never just on the ability to write "this person existed, the end" in and of itself. No matter what role a politician did or didn't hold, his notability still hinges on the ability to write and source content. Bearcat (talk) 15:22, 21 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was delete. Stifle (talk) 16:15, 24 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Harrison Carter

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This is an article about a doctor who was involved in the 2015 junior doctors contract dispute in England. The article currently has 53 references, including to reliable sources. However, my take on it is that Carter himself is not notable outside his involvement in the dispute, or possibly even in that context, as he is not mentioned in the article about the dispute itself. Some of the references are WP:MILL where Carter is quoted - this one (current ref 6) for instance, which does not support the statement it follows, "Harrison was one of the key people involved in supporting junior doctor contract negotiations". He is not always mentioned in the references, such as here (current ref 45) and here (current ref 50). I don't think notability is met. Tacyarg (talk) 23:41, 10 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. Sandstein 16:59, 24 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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Candidate for state senate seat, does not meet NPOL. Prior to state senate run she held a position (receiver of taxes) in the municipal level which is not notable. Eostrix (talk) 14:20, 17 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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The subject is notable. She represents a town of more than 325,000 people, larger than the average State Senate and State Assembly districts in New York.[1][2] Additionally, she meets Wikipedia's threshold, as she "has received significant coverage in reliable sources that are independent of the subject." Therefore, "it is presumed to be suitable for a stand-alone article or list." She has been covered in Newsday and the Long Island Advance.[3][4][5] — Preceding unsigned comment added by PoliticsEditz (talkcontribs) 14:58, 17 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

She's not mayor (or Town supervisor in NY parlance). She's Receiver of Taxes (see: Islip, New York#Government and politics, this position is on the municipal ballot but is not a policy making position). Her state senate run has generated some local New York coverage, which is insufficient for notability.--Eostrix (talk) 15:06, 17 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]
She still holds an elected position which represents more people than the average New York State legislative seat. While her position as Receiver of Taxes or her candidacy for New York State Senate may not be sufficient on their own to merit an article, the two together have provided enough notoriety to merit one. There have been several news articles about her since her announcement which meet the threshold for a notable person. Even prior to her run for State Senate, she received coverage for her job as Receiver of Taxes.[6] Regardless of the positions lack of policy making ability, the office still maintains a more elevated position to advocate from, as demonstrated. This person has held an elected position for 9 years, and is now running for an elected position at the state level. That qualifies as notable.PoliticsEditz (talk) 15:35, 17 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Not according to normal Wikipedia standards, she's not presumed notable and the local and election-generated coverage is not sufficient. If she actually gets elected to the state senate, that would make her notable.--Eostrix (talk) 15:38, 17 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete -- JHunterJ (talk) 11:36, 24 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Peter Tiefenbach

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Only one red-linked entry. I have added Peter Tiefenbach (composer) to Tiefenbach; perhaps this could be a redirect to that DAB page. Leschnei (talk) 14:07, 17 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. Sandstein 16:59, 24 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Derek Muhs

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Non-notable business person. All the sources are passing mentions or WP:MILL coverage of the company. Praxidicae (talk) 13:33, 17 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. Stifle (talk) 16:15, 24 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Untitled Brian Fee Project

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How can this film have an article if we don't know what the film is about?? I support that this article be deleted if we can't find any sources revealing that the subject of the movie is known. Georgia guy (talk) 11:29, 17 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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I found evidence that a Brian Fee project is definitely in the works but no specific details about it. Nothing on "Nightmare Chapter" or "Nightmare Chapter Brian Fee" when I searched for them. Philotimo (talk) 00:56, 19 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was delete. Sandstein 16:59, 24 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Jon Turley

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Not seeing any notability. 3 sources - the first, and only possibly independent one, doesn’t work, the other two are to his own books. Originator editor not edited for 12 years. KJP1 (talk) 11:25, 17 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. Sandstein 16:59, 24 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

HBS Towers

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I am shocked that an encyclopaedia has hosted such a page for so long...This is essentially an ad for HBS Towers/Realtors. The project has not even got off the ground, in fact it may even have been shelved as I can’t find any reliable sources. "Ad" and "predictions" tags have remain unaddressed for a couple of years. The one dubious reference provided does not work. In 2018, someone added “This project is currently stopped as builder said he has no funds. He has also stopped paying rents as well to the members and no progress on redevelopment”. Most importantly, the article has been edited (or more accurately, padded) many times by someone at HBS Group, starting here, after a failed deletion request. A blatant case of WP:COI, WP:NOTADVERTISING, WP:NOTACRYSTALBALL. I bumped into it through Category:Postmodern architecture in India, which has a few other articles written like ads or to give a veneer of credibility for stalled/failed projects (see Growel's 101, Kohinoor Square, The Imperial 3). I was less sure about those and if anyone else wants to look deeper, please do so. But this one, here, needs to go! The chaff of Wikipedia... MaysinFourty (talk) 11:22, 17 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Fully agree with your points! What's bizarre is that this project allegedly won the "World’s Best Residential Renovation/Redevelopment Project" even before a single brick was laid.. MaysinFourty (talk) 12:44, 17 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was delete. Sandstein 16:58, 24 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

CloudBusiness

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Reviewed through NPP. Article on a software company referenced to random no-name websites and primary sources, nothing better to be found through WP:BEFORE. Closest thing to a claim of notability here is that it was a finalist (not a winner!) in a non-notable app competition. Decisive failure of WP:NCORP. See also Synder App. Spicy (talk) 10:38, 17 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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  • Your further comments are welcome in this discussion, but please do not add multiple keep/delete opinions. Also, Yahoo Finance and Business Insider are both labelled as a PR Newswire press release, not WP:RS coverage. AllyD (talk) 11:13, 24 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]
User talk:Seabreeze44 Thank you, I didn't know! I thought that the high source validity would add validity to even a press release. —Preceding undated comment added 11:28, 24 June 2020 (UTC)
Just FYI, the criteria for establishing notability is not simply whether the source is reliable/valid/high profile/etc but also includes whether the *content* is *independent*. Please read WP:ORGIND for an explanation. HighKing++ 13:31, 24 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was delete. Sandstein 16:58, 24 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Girish Mistry

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Presumably an autobiography, as created by User:Girishtry, who has made a total of 5 edits, all of which were to this article in 2012. Does not satisfy WP:GNG, WP:NBIO, WP:ARTIST, nor a subject-specific criteria. The scant claims it makes are not sufficient to indicate a credible claim of important or significance. The article has 1 source, a primary source as it is all interview. WP:BEFORE comes up with no independent reliable sources. Has had a notability warning on it since 2016 and a references needed warning since 2018. Lopifalko (talk) 10:23, 17 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. Fenix down (talk) 09:58, 24 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

2019–20 Gheorghe Hagi Football Academy teams season

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Academy season ranging from under-8 to under-19... no way this passes notability. Refs are all from the clubs website anyways. JTtheOG (talk) 09:57, 17 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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All informations are correct because I took them from club site. Gheorghe Hagi Football Academy teams are teenagers teams from under-8 to under-19. User:Velniceri Geo (talk) 13:05, 18 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. Malcolmxl5 (talk) 17:45, 24 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Art6

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Does not pass WP:NONPROFIT, WP:NORG. Currently sources do not pass WP:ORGDEPTH as many are local papers, local library and unacceptable primary sources. The purpose of this article appear to be promotional as it was created by user Mitzi.humphrey who also happens to be one of the six founders named here. Graywalls (talk) 08:07, 17 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was speedy delete. Speedily deleted under G5, created by a banned user User:Amarjeetpardeep. —usernamekiran (talk) 21:57, 20 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Rich punjabi singers salary songs and subscriber

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Currently as it is, a massive BLP violation. Possibly one could salvage this article by adding some context and referencing, but I would say if it does not happen during the nomination a deletion would be fully justified. Ymblanter (talk) 07:48, 17 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was redirect to Ashok Leyland. (non-admin closure) buidhe 18:36, 24 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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No secondary sources to prove notability. May have to be redirected if possible. RedBulbBlueBlood9911Talk 06:37, 17 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. Stifle (talk) 16:14, 24 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Dom K. Diogo

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Bio of non notable 19 year old ‘socialite turned to businessman, singer-songwriter, Instagram star and philanthropist.’ Previously deleted, now needs deleting and salting. Mccapra (talk) 05:56, 17 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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” hey, i’m sorry you don't know me and i don't know you but yes i am a 19 year old (soon to be 20) and i am all that. my album comes out next week actually, i have music on spotify (and every other streaming service), i am a brand owner and record label owner, and yes i know i am "too young" but i try to manage everything as good as i can. this is a major milestone for a Nicaraguan with such a short age. what is wrong with article per say? i mean i've used every resource i have but in Nicaragua there are not many, all my tv interviews are not online and if they are they are on my dad's facebook page and i’m not going to cite my dad's facebook lmao that's unprofessional af. and i've been to those shows, i've participated on them and i have photo evidence to prove it. I was also named Latin America's youngest fashion designer at age 17 by Fashion Week Nicaragua. so can u tell me why are u submitting this for deletion?”

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Sumanuil Your comment implies that it is a case of "Speedy delete" and not "Strong delete". I recommend you to make amends to your vote. Regards Pesticide1110 Lets wrestle! 14:51, 19 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was delete. ♠PMC(talk) 05:40, 25 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Benard Odoh

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Unsuccessful candidate for elected office. Does not pass WP:NPOL. Mccapra (talk) 05:52, 17 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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He wasn’t a Secretary of State, he was a Secretary to the State Government and that isn’t a post that confers a presumption of notability. Mccapra (talk) 15:23, 20 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]
I wasn't precise enough with that keep !vote. Secretary to the State Government appears to be third or fourth ranking in terms of Nigerian state governments, making it similar to a Secretary of State position for a state government in other countries with state or provincial governments. I think this clearly qualifies for WP:NPOL. SportingFlyer T·C 22:55, 20 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]
In the case of Nigerian states this office position is neither third nor fourth it is only a political office appointed by the governor of a state, we have state house of assembly speaker and state attorney general are the only third and fourth positions.Em-mustapha talk 22:35, 21 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was delete. Malcolmxl5 (talk) 17:49, 24 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Retro-juice productions

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Dissolved company,[10] no references given to establish notability, created by an editor of the same name. -- The Anome (talk) 05:27, 17 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was speedy keep. Requested move was closed as "not moved". (non-admin closure) P.I. Ellsworth  ed. put'r there 19:41, 22 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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This article is no longer needed. All its contents have been moved to "Sector 13" Wikipedea Page. And also all the links to this page i.e. linksto:Mani Majra or linksto:Manimajra have been shifted to linskto:Sector 13. This can be verified in search box by using "linksto:" term. All the broken links have also been fixed. So now there is no need of this Redirect page as it is directly linked to Sector 13 page. I henceforth nominate this page to be deleted. Taal Saptak (talk) 04:40, 17 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was no consensus. Fictional characters in well-known universes are always difficult; they are often covered in length in multiple reliable sources, but a full analysis also requires evaluating the nature of the coverage which can be highly subjective. Here, I do not see a consensus developing even after substantial discussion. King of ♥ 04:58, 26 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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What makes this fictional minor Lovercraftian entity notable? I don't see anything out there outside WP:PLOT and lists of which works this appeared in or was referenced. Seems to fail WP:NFICTION/GNG. Can redirect to Cthulhu Mythos deities, maybe merge some referenced PLOT content there, through nothing here seems particularly important (and Tsathoggua is minor enough he doesn't even have a subsection there, and I can't even figure out where we should add a subsection for him if we were to merge anything). Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 04:37, 17 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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References

  1. ^ Matthews, Carol S. (April 15, 2018). "Letting Sleeping Abnormalities Lie: Lovecraft and the Futility of Divination". Mythlore. 36 (2): 178–179. doi:10.2307/26809310 – via SWOSU Digital Commons.
  • Comment Ah, thanks for that. I guess you can strike my recommendation for adding that book as a source to the master deity list, then. This is a good reminder, though, that just because a subject may have been covered by a published book, that doesn't necessarily make that book a reliable source. Rorshacma (talk) 15:47, 18 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was delete. Stifle (talk) 16:13, 24 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Dar El Menia

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As far as I can tell this topic is just a commercial hotel, and does not meet the guidelines for notability (WP:NOTE). The only two references provided don't support a claim of its historical notability (e.g. claim of dating from the 14th century) or of architectural notability (since there are many, many similar riad hotels in Fes and across Morocco). One source link is now defunct and the other source is a commercial listing (Expedia). I've been unable to find any references that mention it other than commercial listings. It is not mentioned in any scholarly sources I'm aware of (I did a Google Scholar search and consulted a variety of references I already have access to). It is not even mentioned in one of the main books about houses in Fez that date from this period (Revault et al, 1985, "Palais et demeures de Fes. I. Époques mérinde et saadienne (XIVe-XVIIe siècles"). Robert Prazeres (talk) 04:22, 17 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was Redirect to A_Treatise_of_Human_Nature (non-admin closure) RandomCanadian (talk / contribs) 21:18, 24 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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A very broad title, although the content is solely about philosopher David Hume and has nothing that is not in David Hume. The aricle is therefore redundant; it is also unlikely to get updated along with David Hume. The title is both antiquated (18th-19th century) and sexist. Errantius (talk) 02:47, 17 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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You don't refer to any "science of man" apart from Hume's, so what problem is there with substituting (as I now agree) a redirect to the article on his book? Errantius (talk) 05:25, 18 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]
The problem is that it is a viable article on a notable topic. Hume's book is not a synonymous topic. There is no pressing need to redirect. SpinningSpark 10:22, 18 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]
I will refer to the WP article naming criteria. I think that "Science of man" fails on all of these but conciseness.

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The sources that you cite look like (I can't check them since libraries are closed owing to Covid-19) they do not use Hume's phrase but only mention it as used by him. There was a discipline known in English as "science of man", in the 18th and 19th centuries: Kant called it Anthropologie, and maybe see the history of the Australasian Anthropological Journal which was titled or partly titled Science of Man up to its expiry in 1913. But there is no longer such a discipline or "subject area": it has broken up and its former elements are now found in more specific disciplines such as philosophy, psychology, sociology and maybe anthropology (as that name is now used). The name "science of man" is now recognisable only to readers already familiar with Hume or his milieu: a redirect to his Treatise would therefore be appropriate. The material in the present article that refers to An Enquiry Concerning the Principles of Morals is poorly written and in any case the Treatise article refers to that Enquiry and to the article on it. Retitling the present article as "Hume's science of man" would only preserve a duplication. I remain of the view that this article should be replaced with a redirect to A Treatise on Human Nature. Errantius (talk) 04:15, 19 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was merge to Tyler courthouse shooting. (non-admin closure) buidhe 05:48, 24 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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The victim of a "minor" by American standards mass shooting only notable for attempting to intervene. While his actions were certainly brave and his death was certainly tragic, since the names of the victims of much more prominent mass shootings (some of whom were shot while doing similarly heroic things) redirect to the page of the incident in which they were killed, I suggest this page be merged with Tyler courthouse shooting, which has a section on Wilson almost as long as his own article does. HawthOffHead (talk) 02:30, 17 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. Malcolmxl5 (talk) 03:26, 24 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Li Jian (art historian)

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Subject fails WP:ANYBIO. This article isn't about the subject because only one citation actually talks about her. The other citations are about various exhibits and some don't mention her at all or briefly quote her. Some of the citations are from VMFA where she works, so those citations aren't independent and in this case, could be considered self-published. This is yet another article written by Mitzi.humphrey so we can assume she had an undeclared CoI. Chris Troutman (talk) 02:22, 17 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. Malcolmxl5 (talk) 22:42, 25 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Business builder

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Unsourced and promotional, topic appears to fail WP:GNG. Article was created by a since blocked account who previously removed COI and PROD templates. HaeB (talk) 02:16, 17 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. Malcolmxl5 (talk) 03:25, 24 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Roomy Pak

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GNG fail. ThatMontrealIP (talk) 01:27, 17 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was no consensus. Stifle (talk) 16:13, 24 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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Not a notable website. Wikieditor600 (talk) 13:17, 2 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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I was able to access this journal article to find this passing mention: "One sees evidence of the diminished role the university plays in contemporary poetry merely by listing some of the most influential recent developments in American literary life, most of which happened off campus. ... notable changes include ... the creation of electronic networks and journals like Poetry Daily, Contemporary Poetry Review, and Eratosphere, linking individual writers across the nation" (45).
I was not able to access this article which also came up in my search and might have some more detailed coverage of Eratosphere.
If the article stays, I'd recommend describing the site as a "forum" (as these sources do) to better explain what it actually is. The number of passing references, and their context, makes me wonder if some proof of notability might still be lurking out there somewhere. But without two good sources for GNG at the moment, I say delete. ~ oulfis 🌸(talk) 07:22, 6 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was keep. Appears to just barely meet the bar. King of ♥ 04:43, 26 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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Semi-advertorialized article about an amateur sports team, not properly referenced as clearing our notability standards for sports teams. Three of the five footnotes here are primary sources that are not support for notability at all, such as their own self-published website and a YouTube video and the self-published blog of a photographer -- and the two that are from real media are (a) a webzine article about said photographer winning an award for a photograph of the team, which is not evidence of the team's notability since they aren't the subject of the article, and (b) a newspaper photoessay by that same photographer. But notability is established by the existence of written third party, third person analysis of the subject's notability, not by the existence of photographs or YouTube videos -- so none of the sources here are doing anything at all to get this over WP:GNG or WP:ORGDEPTH. Just to be clear, this is not an attack against the team -- I have personally known people who've been directly associated with it, including two people whose names are in the article. But Wikipedia is not a free publicity platform, so organizations aren't automatically entitled to have an article on here just because their own self-published web presence verifies that they exist -- making them eligible to have a Wikipedia article would require evidence of much more coverage in reliable and independent sources than this. Bearcat (talk) 16:16, 2 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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Following a source that may best have demonstrated notability, the StarObserver, the team isn't mentioned other than as part of a list of participating teams. Which is not the focus of the article. It is notable that there's a 'rugby tournament that tackles homophobia' and this is being covered by a longstanding third party source, but I'm agreed that this wiki-article is advertisement from that fact for a specific team that doesn't met those criteria itself. Nic T R (talk) 07:50, 3 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep (vote changed), the Globe and Mail coverage and references for the photos are substantial enough to meet WP:GNG in my opinion. PKT(alk) 12:07, 22 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]
A photoessay winning a photography award may speak to the potential notability of the photographer — but it is not evidence of the potential notability of the photo subject, because the team is not who the award was given to. Bearcat (talk) 16:14, 21 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]
True Bearcat, but an internationally-published photo journalism report is in itself a GNG, the other references merely speak to the international status of that piece. Part of the difficulty is, is that 2016 photoshoot is from the same person as the 2015 piece that was in the Globe and Mail ... and I didn't notice that until later. But there's other GNG sources out there, in particular I added an in-depth 2007 National Post reference today. Nfitz (talk) 01:23, 22 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]
No, a photoessay is not in and of itself a GNG-making source either. To count toward GNG, a source has to verify information, which can only be done by using words. Bearcat (talk) 01:41, 22 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Personally I think you are wrong User:Bearcat, as the photo-essays do include words (as most do). But what has that to do with the extensive, detailed, National Post article I added that is all words, and one picture? How is that reference not good enough for GNG? Nfitz (talk) 04:03, 22 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]
A source has to include substantial prose content, not just a brief paragraph of text — which is precisely why, for example, news blurbs don't count toward GNG, glancing namechecks of a subject's existence within a source whose primary subject is something else don't count toward GNG, sources which merely quote a person as a giver of soundbite don't count toward GNG, and on and so forth. And also, GNG still isn't passed by the existence of one "extensive, detailed National Post article" — GNG requires several sources of that calibre, not just one. Bearcat (talk) 04:09, 22 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]
How is the paragraphs of in-depth text in the National Post article just "a brief paragraph of text"? Please just apologize for the WP:BEFORE failure and move on. Nfitz (talk) 06:03, 22 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Please go back to remedial reading comprehension class. I didn't say the National Post article was "a brief paragraph of text" — that sentence was clearly and unmistakably a response to the claim that a photoessay containing one paragraph of prefatory text renders the photoessay into a GNG-assisting source. I specifically said the problem with the National Post source is that GNG requires a lot more than just one source of that calibre. Bearcat (talk) 20:17, 23 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]
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Nfitz, I would agree that coverage of the World Press Photo of the Year 2017 award in respected papers such as the Telegraph and the Toronto Star meet the notability bar. Coverage in the GayStar News doesn't, at least not by itself. Please update the article to cite a couple of the reliable sources and I'll be happy to change my assessment. Cheers, PKT(alk) 13:07, 17 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Both the G&M 2015 article and the photoessay were already referenced in the article. Though references could certainly be improved. Either way, we judge the notability of the subject - not the contents of the article - as per WP:NEXIST. But I'll improve the references. Should be some others too - there must be some coverage given I was already aware about the team. Nfitz (talk) 17:02, 17 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]
PKT I've now improved those references, and added three more about the competition. I also just noticed a very good 2007 GNG source in the National Post that definitely puts it over the GNG top here. (perhaps that *Treker removes the 'weak'). Nfitz (talk) 00:32, 22 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]
I think you are essentially correct on the two articles - but I don't necessarily agree on the reason. Have we ever had a good discussion on photojournalism - is WP:PictureIsWorth1000Words or WP:PictureIsNotWorth1000Words :)? In retrospect though, it's probably moot, as the problem with the 2016 award-winning photo-essay is that it's from the same author as the 2015 G&M piece ... so it isn't necessarily a second source - but rather an extension of the first ... but the 2015 G&M adds (barely) enough text and context to be in, itself, a source, and we should be (barely) at GNG with the 2007 National Post piece (and for context of foreign editors ... both National Post and the Globe & Mail are national newspapers ... not local). There's plenty of other trivial mentions about matches, tournaments, etc., in the media, that I haven't bothered referencing. Nfitz (talk) 17:20, 23 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]
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Non-notable film, showed at minor film festivals but did not get significant coverage by independent coverage, not enough to merit a stand-alone article, per WP:NF BOVINEBOY2008 17:23, 2 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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*Keep. The sources look notable enough to me. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Janitor Joseph (talkcontribs) 16:25, 10 June 2020 (UTC) struck confirmed blocked sockpuppet, Atlantic306 (talk) 21:23, 12 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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The Day I Ran Into All My Ex Boyfriends

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Non notable film with no independent, verifiable reviews. Donaldd23 (talk) 00:51, 17 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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