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From what I can tell from a Google search, this appears to be a fictional field of study. I'd be glad to withdraw if someone can find sources, but I saw none. --Jakob (talk) 23:56, 15 February 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Delete. I can only assume this is a hoax. There's absolutely nothing out there that uses this term. An 1880 medical treatise that appears in Google searches is an OCR failure for "pathology". Squeamish Ossifrage (talk) 22:43, 16 February 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Created by a single purpose editor with only three edits, all to this piece. Closing administrator should be sure to spank them. Carrite (talk) 13:26, 17 February 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Speedy delete = such a delightfully naughty hoax. Get it, girthology? Bearian (talk)
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Keep - He is on the first team of a prominent premier league team and has received a call up to his national team. At the time this was created he was the only player without a page on both squads. For an example of a player without a cap for Liverpool that has a page, see Sheyi Ojo. Seems notable enough to me. Eman52 (talk) 00:18, 16 February 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Delete - obviously fails NFOOTBALL at this stage, as he didn't play for Wales when he was called up, nor has he made an appearance for Liverpool yet. In terms of RS coverage, there's [1], which is good, but everything else is coverage of his transfer (so is routine), is local (Liverpool Echo), or both. There's a few bits on unreliable sources/fansites, but those obviously don't count. Whilst I'm personally surprised at the lack of "who is this randomer who has been called up to the national team"-type coverage, the simple fact is that he fails GNG as well. Lukeno94(tell Luke off here)00:36, 16 February 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Delete - Despit being in the first team for two seasons now, he has not debuted for Liverpool in any competitive fixture and has not been sent to loan as well. He doesn't seem to debut this season for Liverpool as Simon Migmolet is the first choice and second choice Brad Jones is back from injury. Hence he fails WP:NFOOTBALL.--Sammanhumagain (talk) 03:39, 16 February 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Comment - it should be noted that the daily post is a regional newspaper as well. This is hardly a full page interview in a major paper. The rest is just routine transfer and match reporting. I still think this falls below the level needed for GNG. Fenix down (talk) 23:05, 16 February 2015 (UTC)[reply]
I realise the rest is routine (well the first of the rest isn't particularly routine, but it is indeed very short). I just wanted to make sure it was clear that there were multiple sources verifying the actual existence of the player and the facts in addition to the one good article. Nfitz (talk) 01:51, 17 February 2015 (UTC)[reply]
If that's the case, why are you claiming it passes GNG? Because your sources clearly don't help it to do so. The only non-routine and not-totally-local source that seems to exist is the Daily Post one. Lukeno94(tell Luke off here)21:07, 17 February 2015 (UTC)[reply]
?!? I stated clearly that I think that one Daily Post article COMBINED with more mundane routine coverage over an extended period is enough. Disagree with me, sure ... but why point out that the routine coverage that I pointed out was routine is routine? Nfitz (talk) 23:38, 17 February 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Because if you know the routine coverage is routine, why are you claiming this satisfies GNG, when reading the notability page clearly states that "For example, routine news coverage such as press releases, public announcements, sports coverage, and tabloid journalism is not significant coverage."? Lukeno94(tell Luke off here)01:45, 18 February 2015 (UTC)[reply]
I never said it satisfied GNG. I said the single article satisfied GNG. I explicitly noted that the routine articles were mundane and typical; they simply provide verification for the facts in the article, rather than satisfying GNG. This is the 3rd time I've clarified this comment, which I think was clear enough the first time. If my point was unclear to you the first time, I apologize, but I'm not sure how many times I need to clarify what I said. Nfitz (talk) 03:30, 18 February 2015 (UTC)[reply]
SALT? That's going a bit far, don't you think? There's only been one AfD prior to this, which was closed immediately as having no rationale, and it's not like we're talking about someone who doesn't exist, or plays in Reading Division 4... Lukeno94(tell Luke off here)08:29, 19 February 2015 (UTC)[reply]
What is User:GiantSnowman's justification for Salting? That seems completely and absolutely unnecessary for an article that has never been recreated, for a real person, who has some (though perhaps not enough) significant coverage, and has appeared on the bench for a top EPL club 11 times this season alone, and twice for his national team. Nfitz (talk) 03:01, 20 February 2015 (UTC)[reply]
I think it's more that if you (or someone else in good standing) is going to start a draft, it would be better that the draft is started from scratch rather than retaining the taint of sock-puppetry. Once the subject meets WP:NFOOTY, that editor can go to DRV to have the creation protection lifted and then there can be no doubt about the article's legitimacy or validity. It's perhaps a bit "protectionist" but I don't think it's overkill (especially given the sock-puppetry case in question). St★lwart11105:03, 20 February 2015 (UTC)[reply]
No one has jumped down anyone's throat. Asking for your justification is not jumping down your throat - clearly there was something more to your comment, and you have now provided that. Nfitz (talk) 12:39, 20 February 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Delete - Agree, Salting is going too far when it appears likely that even if Ward never plays a game for Liverpool, he will one day represent another league club, either on loan or as a permanent transfer. Until he does though, Delete. OGBC1992 (talk) 23:52, 19 February 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Move to Draftspace - It appears that there is no consensus to keep the article, however given that there is already 1 good article about him, and he's appeared on the bench for a top EPL club 11 times this season alone, and twice for his national team, it's quite likely that he'll get a match somewhere sooner or later (such is the lot of a keeper ...). Let's put the article where it can be properly updated, rather than wasting someone's time in the future, unbeknowingly rewriting it from scratch. Nfitz (talk) 03:01, 20 February 2015 (UTC)[reply]
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2. It is (currently) a totally pointless page (it consists of 26 empty sections and a link to Gibraltar).
3. Wikipedia actually has hundreds of articles about Gib so this "index" is misleading.
4. It sits in article space (categorized alongside actual encyclopedic lists such as List of shipwrecks of Gibraltar) but as an "Index of ... articles" page it's too self-referential to be part of the encyclopedia content; if it belongs anywhere it belongs under Wikipedia:WikiProject Gibraltar.
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The result was speedy delete under criterion G7. I only saw one editor who contributed content (others formatted, tagged, etc.). I've got a feeling it wouldn't have survived the AfD, but I'll call it a speedy delete rather than apply the snowball clause. —C.Fred (talk) 04:29, 16 February 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Looks like a case of too soon, she has yet to actually be in any thing, now she does sound like she does have a chance at least to have a article someday, but just not yet Wgolf (talk) 20:27, 15 February 2015 (UTC)[reply]
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Dear all. I'll try to improve the article, hopefully addressing both WP:GNG and WP:NSOFT. I'm reading through notability and referencing guidelines, but would appreciate every constructive suggestion how to make the article the best quality possible. Thanks, Thealx (talk) 15:32, 21 February 2015 (UTC)[reply]
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Contested speedy deletion. Really, there's nothing here to indicate notability: no outside sources, no third-party coverage, all references lead back to its sponsor. Non-notable "annual sporting event". Seattle (talk) 20:03, 15 February 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Seattle I am doing my best. I found one third party link but that's just to an old man, 91, who rowed a lot. It's amazing. I am trying to get this started and am excited about it. We'll see. Maybe this will be deleted (well, probably yes) but I am sorry I deleted the notice but I will see what else I can include. I am really sorry that C2 keeps the event so close. Groan. How can I make this work? Is there a proper path? Chrisabraham (talk) 15:59, 18 February 2015 (UTC)[reply]
If its sponsor "keeps the event so close", it's probably not notable. No sponsor ever wants to keep one of their events "close"; if you could only find one third-party link, than its probably not notable. Seattle (talk) 04:22, 20 February 2015 (UTC)[reply]
There are over 6,000 participants in these events. Maybe I should create a "Virtual Challenge page instead of a Virtual Team Challenge page? There are events planned over the entire year. As I said, there were over 6k participants and there have been over the last number of years. The participants are from all over the world and the only commonality is that one must use the Concept2 rowing ergometer to row it -- but this is the same as the CRASH-B Sprints as well. There are participants all across high schools, colleges, private clubs, virtual teams (I am personally a team member, myself). Chrisabraham (talk) 20:16, 20 February 2015 (UTC)[reply]
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Comment The problem with all of those (except the Guardian one) is that they're circular. Of course the subject is popular in gaming blogs, which by definition are not independent of her. I did not overlook those, I looked for more material similar to the Guardian article. Unfortunately I didn't find any. This is the same problem where startups are "notable" because they're mentioned in Valleywag and TechCrunch. None of those are independent of the subjects, and the situation is the same here. Compare to other tech journalists who are actually notable outside of their scratch-my-back-and-I'll-scratch-yours walled garden environment. §FreeRangeFrogcroak08:10, 16 February 2015 (UTC)[reply]
And niche, tabletop RPGs will be notable when covered in niche, tabletop RPG publications. (More like the argument's circular.) Video game journalists (in vetted publications) refer to the author as an authority. This isn't a GNG argument—that lots of people have discussed her in depth—but a creative professional argument—that she is widely seen to be a figure in the field. Her work is quoted somewhere in every major publication that ever covers games as a cursory issue. Nothing else to add on this topic. czar⨹13:37, 16 February 2015 (UTC)[reply]
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Thornton, Leslie-Jean. "Book Review: The Big Book of Social Media: Case Studies, Stories, Perspectives and Future Media." Journalism & Mass Communication Educator 67, no. 2 (2012): 185-188
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How do you define "significant coverage" outside of the sources already listed above? Two sources, one of which appears to be sponsored, don't constitute significance. Seattle (talk) 17:34, 20 February 2015 (UTC)[reply]
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Delete Fails WP:NACTOR, has only had minor roles and no significant coverage online from WP:RS. The abundant fluff about his social life by the WP:SPA creator, and the previously deleted article's history, both suggest autobiography or WP:COI. That can be cleaned up easily, but the problem of notability will remain. Dai Pritchard (talk) 19:25, 15 February 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Not Delete I have looked at the guidelines and have taken away "Musician" feel not enough coverage and references to the subjects music. I have also further researched the subjects roles and story lines, added more references to show the subject is of significance & importance. I have re-read through the article and made the grammar and information about the subject more clearer. GabSalciute (talk) 22:09, 16 February 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Not Delete I have researched more adding more references, also after reading the guidelines I can see from my first edit how people would of perceived the subject to be a person with minor roles. possiblly in my wording not making it clear that the subject started out as a background artist, then from that the subject was cast into lead roles. The subject has had significant roles in multiple television shows, the subject also has a large fan base sourced from social media and the internet. The Bill and the subject still to this day has a "Cult" following due to the re-runs of the soap opera. The Bill also has a "Convention" in which they invite Actors from the show to appear, also the "Cult" following want to see the popular soap opera return to the screens of ITV. I am still researching more about The Bill and would like to further contribute to wikipedia GabSalciute (talk) 14:43, 17 February 2015 (UTC)[reply]
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Strong Delete : Referenced book is a sloppy self published work \partisan work without any credibility or popularity. No other secondary sources present , seems to be written like a fan page with many honorifics.Summichum (talk) 07:50, 17 February 2015 (UTC)[reply]
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Delete All: All of these articles fail WP:GNG, specifically, the single source given on these pages ([7]) does not establish notability and I was unable to find better sources. Shanata (talk) 06:15, 8 February 2015 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was snow close. At best this is just something someone came up with WP:ONEDAY that has no relation to the computer language, but it's clear that this is not notable at this point in time. Tokyogirl79 (。◕‿◕。)05:29, 17 February 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Delete per nom. This is OR. (Although according to Google Scholar there is such a thing as a bubble language in computer science, it's not this.) – Margin1522 (talk) 18:45, 15 February 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Delete this as non-notable, sourced only from YouTube and Gaia Online (= internet forum). Interested editors may look into writing up for the combinatorics concept though. [8][9]野狼院ひさしu/t/c23:52, 15 February 2015 (UTC)[reply]
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Delete – It seems that he was a fine person and not unknown in the open source community, but WP:ANYBIO needs a "widely recognized contribution". Unfortunately I don't think contributions like the Ruby on Rails libraries were covered widely enough to qualify under that. – Margin1522 (talk) 19:09, 6 January 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Comment—I'm seeing a large number of ghits across a pretty wide spectrum of topics. I can't point to any subset that would definitely establish notability, but I think someone who is more connected with the rails community might be able to make a good case here. Lesser Cartographies (talk) 02:33, 8 January 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Comment—James made contributions the MRI (the main ruby virtual machine) [1], additionally he made contributions to Google's tcmalloc a rather notable project. He gave many talks around the world on a variety of topics in computer science and engineering [2]. And finally he was an advocate for Women working in open source - devoting time to mentoring women entering the generally male dominated world of open source. All of these I believe point to him being widely recognized. — Preceding unsigned comment added by JosephGaudet (talk • contribs) 20:12, 14 January 2015 (UTC)[reply]
"The James Golick Grant for Women in Computology" (referenced from this blog, which also has several other links to obituaries/tributes. However, the grant was actually started by his family, so not in itself contributing to notability or independent sourcing)
AlleyWatch (was to present at "New York Tech Meetup")
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Completing nomination on behalf of an IP editor, whose rationale was posted at the article's talk page and is reproduced verbatim below. On the merits, I have no opinion. UltraExactZZSaid~ Did15:41, 6 January 2015 (UTC)[reply]
I am submitting this article for deletion. As far as I can tell, this does not meet any of the criteria listed at Wikipedia:Notability - specifically, WP:ANYBIO which states:
Generally, a person who is "part of the enduring historical record" will have been written about, in depth, independently in multiple history books on that field, by historians. A politician who has received "significant press coverage" has been written about, in depth, independently in multiple news feature articles, by journalists. An actor who has been featured in magazines has been written about, in depth, independently in multiple magazine feature articles, by magazine article writers. An actor or TV personality who has "an independent biography" has been written about, in depth, in a book, by an independent biographer.
Since no other Mr. World Canada has a Wikipedia article, there is nothing noteworthy about Ron Wear that makes an article on him worthy for inclusion. His passing relationship with Tara Teng seems to be the only reason an article was created for him in the first place, as the only page linking to him is the page for Tara Teng. However, to quote again from WP:BIO, Ron Wear's vague association with Ms. Teng does not confer notability onto him.
That person A has a relationship with well-known person B, such as being a spouse or child, is not a reason for a standalone article on A (unless significant coverage can be found on A); see Relationships do not confer notability. However, person A may be included in the related article on B. For example, Brooklyn Beckham and Jason Allen Alexander are included in the articles on David Beckham and Britney Spears, respectively, and the links, Brooklyn Beckham and Jason Allen Alexander, are merely redirects to those articles.
The sources cited to form the bulk of this article are superfluous at best. For example, footnote [9], which states that Ron Wear is an active swimmer and yoga practitioner. Not only is this information irrelevant (under the guidelines at WP:NOTE), but it fails to meet the criteria on diversity of sources. The article reads, in its current form, as a promotional biography of a former beauty pageant winner who has accomplished nothing to make him worthy of a Wikipedia entry.
Delete The fact that Ron Wear is apparently the only winner from this particular pageant with his own Wikipedia page tells me that simply being a pageant winner does not create notability, as if it did there would likely be other similar pages. Further, the article does not provide any evidence for Mr. Wear's distinctiveness from other winners of the same pageant, as it mostly discusses events he participated in after winning and it is incredibly likely that none of these events are out of the ordinary for such a winner or have any kind of historical merit that require documentation. Finally, as noted in the original move for deletion, the majority of the article is dedicated to documenting Wear's professional relationship with another pageant winner. This also tells me that Mr. Wear does not have significant notability as if he did his article would not have to be padded with irrelevant information about the fact that he once met another pageant winner, especially as any rational person would be able to assume that he has likely met other pageant winners and this does not need to be documented. Essentially the page reads like it was either a.) written by Mr. Wear's publicist or b.) Written by Ms. Teng's publicist. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Jdh9 (talk • contribs) 17:45, 10 January 2015 (UTC)[reply]
No opinion regarding the status of the article at this time, but Mr. World Canada is not the highest tier of that particular competition: it is the Canadian qualifiers for Mister World. I am dubious that the national title is sufficient in and of itself to confer notability (and have not evaluated the subject to determine if notability has been otherwise demonstrated). Squeamish Ossifrage (talk) 18:43, 16 January 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Keep. From the newspaper articles cited there appears to be significant coverage of this individual in ten secondary sources. If in the future a "List of Mr. World Canada winners" is written, and if this individual has not by then achieved notability for other events, then there is a potential to redirect this article to there, but for the time being at least I think there is enough independent coverage to justify maintaining the article.CurtisNaito (talk) 08:28, 25 January 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Redirect to Mr. World Canada, which already has some of the same content. Per WP:OTHERSTUFFDOESNTEXIST, I don't think it matters so much that no other winner has an article. That could just be because no one has gotten around to creating one. But winning Mr. World Canada doesn't seem to have generated that much coverage. Most of the sources in the article are fairly trivial one-line mentions. The best ones were from his agency and the TV station where he hosted a show, but those aren't independent. And I couldn't find any other good ones. I think his best shot at notability would be getting some significant acting roles. If that happens, this article could be revived. – Margin1522 (talk) 20:13, 15 February 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Keep as coverage in reliable third-party sources appears to push this subject across the verifiability and notability thresholds of WP:GNG. That this is the first Wikipedia article about a winner of this competition is not relevant as somebody has to be first. (Notability is not inherited but nor is it dependent on the existence of similar articles.) - Dravecky (talk) 09:00, 21 February 2015 (UTC)[reply]
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Keep - per WP:FOOTYN - club has played in a national competition. Playing in the second tier in not a baseline for notability in any guideline. Article needs improving not deleting. Fenix down (talk) 13:29, 16 February 2015 (UTC)[reply]
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No need to be sorry; I am happy to work with anyone who is legitimately interested in improving articles. I did see some of these reviews before I made my initial assessment, but they mostly looked like self published websites. The best source I found was one you didn't mention - a review republished on the New York Times website.[12] That one struck me as potentially reliable, but the other reviews didn't look especially reliable. However, I am ready to be convinced.--Mojo Hand(talk)05:15, 16 February 2015 (UTC)[reply]
I'll admit, I didn't look very hard for any sources to establish notability, it appeared that this was just another poorly created article, which had sat around without references long enough to be deleted. Now that MichaelQSchmidt has improved the article, I withdraw my nomination to delete it. Fortdj33 (talk) 14:11, 16 February 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Seems like your only involvement was a comment above and fixing the copyright violation - I don't see any objection to your closing this.--Mojo Hand(talk)20:13, 16 February 2015 (UTC)[reply]
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An article about a firm co-founded by one Vishal Raj, contributed by User:Okvishal who has previously created articles about Vishal Raj and been warned about conflict of interest editing. All but one of the given references are routine company registration listings; the exception is a short Times of India local Hubballi article about the said person's ventures, which mentions in one paragraph that he has registered this company. Although that is probably enough for CSD A7 to be inappropriate, I am seeing no evidence that this relatively new firm meets WP:CORPDEPTH at this time. AllyD (talk) 17:09, 15 February 2015 (UTC)[reply]
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Keep. I may say that the Grand Duchy of Petrobourg is indeed a notable Brazilian micronation. It secceeded from the Holy Empire of Reunion almost one year ago and it is recognized not only by most of Brazilian micronations but also by the LoSS (League of Secessionist States), the most important micronational organization. Its founders are experienced micronationalists and the project is a serious one. It is not easy to find references to ANY micronation because those are political simulation; generally, the best references will be autoreferences or references within the micronational world. Mostly of the micronational activity occurs in YahooGroups and the actual press don't cover it. Wikipedia shall be a font of information, not a reference-control-freak. Lets keep things reasonable and use common sense.Giancarlo (talk) 16:56, 15 February 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Please see WP:RS for what is and isn't a reliable source, and for why they are needed. YahooGroups definitely is not a reliable source, there are none in the article, and you have not identified any.--JohnBlackburnewordsdeeds18:35, 15 February 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Why do you think the sources are not reliable? The micronation's own official website and messages in respectable micronational forums are sources enough for micronational references. Please, this is not like a real country; we will not find the same kind of reference. In the other hand, the lack of traditional press reference is not an argument for the micronation not being notable.Giancarlo (talk) 17:53, 15 February 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Delete WP:Hoax. My only concern is that deleting this article may destroy this struggling micronation. As far as I can see this article is one of the key pillars of it's existence. I'd hate to have my delete vote destroy a country. Capitalismojo (talk) 18:21, 15 February 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Against deletion On-line Micronations are what they are and what can be expected from them. Petrobourg is a notable micronation for micronationalists, as much as "hard-paste porcelain" is unknown by 99.9% of the world, and still has an entry on Wikipedia. --Claudre (talk) 18:38, 15 February 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Delete as WP:MADEUP. Of course the lack of sources is an argument for this micronation not being notable, as it always is. Hard-paste porcelain has had a real economic and social effect and that effect has been studied, this micronation has not. QVVERTYVS (hm?) 23:52, 15 February 2015 (UTC)[reply]
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Recreation of an article previously deleted by PROD. Concern was Article about a footballer who fails WP:GNG and who has not played in a fully pro league. This remains valid. Sir Sputnik (talk) 16:28, 15 February 2015 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was keep. (Despite the Delete vote I'm closing as Keep as the nom hasn't given any reason at all for deleting, Unfortunately you can't just bring an article here without a reason..., If anyone wants to renominate I have no objections) (non-admin closure) –Davey2010Talk23:48, 15 February 2015 (UTC)[reply]
When I created this page, Ward was the only Liverpool first team player without a page. I also tried to put in as many categories as possible. If people don't like it, they can add to it. I don't see what is wrong with keeping this page. Eman52 (talk) 21:16, 15 February 2015 (UTC)[reply]
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Listing this for discussion. Research doesn't suggest that we have enough sources to sustain an article for this, there does not appear to be a transwiki to look at, and the sources here do not seem to be high quality. On the other hand, there may be a wealth of non-english sources I'm unaware of in this context, but it's not apparent in any searches I've done over a few days on this. Thargor Orlando (talk) 15:47, 15 February 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Comment: if the claims can be confirmed, I have no issue with this being kept. We have three keep votes right now that simply assume what is claimed as true, and no sources of any apparent quality to verify it. Can anyone help on this? Thargor Orlando (talk) 11:50, 18 February 2015 (UTC)[reply]
We didn't "assume what is claimed as true". We read the sources and came to a conclusion that on balance of probabilities it probably is. A quick check on Google will reveal many other sources confirming he was a general, some of them pretty reliable. -- Necrothesp (talk) 14:32, 18 February 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Okay, what about these sources is it that puts it forward in a reliable/RS manner, then? There seems to be some confusion as to where I'm coming from on this. Thargor Orlando (talk) 18:23, 18 February 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Not really. It's perfectly clear that he was a general officer who commanded a division in combat. That's easily sufficient for an article to exist on him. This is "articles for deletion", not "articles for improvement". -- Necrothesp (talk) 11:08, 19 February 2015 (UTC)[reply]
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Comment. I am seeing hits for "Shape Effect" and "Shape Effects" in Google Scholar but I don't think they refer to the same thing, although I can't say for sure as I don't understand what the subject actually is: [13][14]. --DanielRigal (talk) 14:59, 15 February 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Delete: Article about a single non-notable paper whose actual science bits can be distilled into "different shapes have different absorption characteristics", which is... not exactly a great revelation. The rest is, as pointed out, WP:FRINGEy pyramid power woo. Kolbasz (talk) 15:58, 15 February 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Do not Delete I think the reasons that you are using to suggest deletion of the page is missing the scientific integrity. Any experienced user or student can simply replicate the electromagnetic simulation— Preceding unsigned comment added by Jimyen2014 (talk • contribs) 19:10, 15 February 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Delete in the absence of something different and less original to refer to. Also, has a definitely pyramidal look to it (as opposed to pear-shaped...), although they have avoided quantum and crystals so far. Peridon (talk) 16:02, 15 February 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Do not Delete What do you mean is quantum and crystals? What you are saying is not logical form the scientific point of view. I think the reasons that you are using to suggest deletion of the page is missing the scientific integrity.— Preceding unsigned comment added by Jimyen2014 (talk • contribs) 19:10, 15 February 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Many of the fringe ideas attached to science but not completely in it seem to involve crystals or talking about 'quantum' effects that are totally impossible - and also scientifically illogical. For examples, see the Feedback page every week in the New Scientist magazine. What you must do is to show that there is discussion of this phenomenon other than in the work of the people cited. We need to know that this has been noticed and reviewed by people other than those writing the papers containing it. BTW I've struck through your do not delete just above because you are only allowed one Keep (or Do Not Delete), or Delete. Everything else must either be just stuck on like this post, or be labelled Comment. The reviewing admin (not me) will assess the arguments rather than the number of !votes when deciding the result of this discussion. Peridon (talk) 20:20, 15 February 2015 (UTC)[reply]
By the way, please sign posts on talk pages and pages like this with ~~~~ which may look silly, but it's code that puts your signature and the date/time stamp on - like this: Peridon (talk) 20:22, 15 February 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Delete – I'm not qualified to comment on the science, but the one journal paper seems to be the one in "Journal of Electromagnetic Analysis and Applications". It gets zero cites on Google Scholar, and the publisher ([www.scirp.org/journal/jemaa/[predatory publisher] Scientific Research Publishing]) is on Beall’s List of "Potential, possible, or probable predatory scholarly open-access publishers". This doesn't inspire confidence. – Margin1522 (talk) 21:03, 15 February 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Do not Delete. Although, the first reference (journal article) looks like an extension of a conference article. I think from my technical point of view this discovery will cause a revolution in the packaging industry. I think all those who are suggesting removing the article are not specialized in the bio-electromagnetic field of science. They are only following Wikipedia rules. The EM simulation is verifiable. Asiawest (talk) 15:37, 17 February 2015 (UTC)— Asiawest (talk • contribs) has made few or no other edits outside this topic. [reply]
Yes, this is Wikipedia, so we follow the rules here. They call for notability and reliable independent references WP:RS to prove it. In academic and scientific circles, referencing to primary papers is the way to do it. Here, we insist on outside notability - proof that a paper is being reviewed and discussed - and we don't publish original research WP:OR or have articles about things that are not reasonably widely reviewed. We do have articles about Homeopathic medicine and Astrology - both areas that I personally consider as being idiotic, but which are very widely reviewed and discussed, and therefore we should have neutrally worded articles on them. A deletion here doesn't mean 'gone for ever'. It means that when the notability requirement can be met, an article can be created then. But we don't have articles in advance of the notability being shown. Peridon (talk) 17:39, 17 February 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Comment To any new editors visiting this discussion: The final decision about the article will be made by an admin who is not involved, and it will be based on the arguments made with attention in particular to the rules of Wikipedia. Posts by editors with no other edits tend to be given less weight than those by more experienced editors who refer to the policies. The decision is not made by counting votes. Peridon (talk) 17:43, 17 February 2015 (UTC)[reply]
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This subject is neither something which can be described beyond the definition (fails WP:NOT#DICTIONARY) nor feasible as a list article because of the very broad scope (fails WP:STANDALONE). As currently written, it is not really a list article (which again is not very feasible because of how broad the scope is) and largely duplicates content from the articles List of people who disappeared mysteriously and List of missing ships (which have a much better, definable scope). The subject is better suited for a category. Category:Unexplained disappearances exists and covers the subject adequately.
Note: The article was originally called "Paranormal vanishing" and nominated for deletion in 2006; the result was no consensus, but the discussion focused on the title/subject "paranormal vanishing". The page was moved to the current title without much discussion, but edited to reflect the new title/subject. AHeneen (talk) 13:05, 15 February 2015 (UTC)[reply]
That's a good point which is confirmed by our guideline WP:NOTDUP, "arguing that a category duplicates a list (or vice versa) at a deletion discussion is not a valid reason for deletion and should be avoided". Andrew D. (talk) 22:35, 15 February 2015 (UTC)[reply]
But in the nomination, I was not implying that the article should be deleted because the category exists, although I now see how it could be interpreted as such. Rather, I was stating that the subject is best suited to be a category (and not an article) and pointed out that the category exists already. The subject is too broad and there isn't much that can be said about the subject beyond a definition. The subject is therefore best suited to being a stand-alone list (and is currently written like a list), but is still too broad and therefore fails WP:STANDALONE. Therefore the only appropriate way for WP to treat this subject is as a category. AHeneen (talk) 00:39, 17 February 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Delete for lack of a coherent topic, and because we already have List of people who disappeared mysteriously. This purported article is not a treatment of any single phenomenon, but a haphazard list of unrelated events (and faeries). The fact that the popular press issues books full of these curiosities is not a convincing argument to do the same here. QVVERTYVS (hm?) 00:09, 16 February 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Delete - I wouldn't argue keep until this was tightened enough to fill a niche not already served. 'List of hoaxed disappearances', 'List of paranormal entities blamed for disappearances', 'List of folkloric disappearances' - I would be totally down for including those lists and I think they'd be great. As it stands, this is just needless repetition, with the subjects having much better coverage elsewhere. PanydThe muffin is not subtle21:57, 16 February 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Delete with careful editing. Most of this article is an incomplete rehash of List of people who disappeared mysteriously, so I support the deletion of sections 1-17. However, other material could be moved: information and citations from the Folklore section belong in the Fairy article, and the Hoaxes info about David Lang and Oliver Larch could cut down and added to the List of hoaxes. I would hate to lose those little bits of WP content by simply deleting this article. Molly-in-md (talk) 21:51, 17 February 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Comment another thing I don't get is why someone searching for "unexplained disappearances" shouldn't get any help finding the kind of articles linked by this page. Siuenti (talk) 23:09, 17 February 2015 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was delete. There has been no evidence provided to show that this school actually exists... "appearing to exist" does not fulfill the requirements for articles on secondary schools.. — Coffee // have a cup // beans // 01:21, 23 February 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Keep per longstanding consensus and precedent. Certainly appears to exist and that's all that's required for a secondary school article. It was previously deleted after a prod with no discussion involved, so that's irrelevant. I'm also curious as to what the nominator means by saying the page creator is a "habitual offender". Would you care to elaborate? -- Necrothesp (talk) 14:20, 17 February 2015 (UTC)[reply]
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delete This should never have, IMO, passed AfC. The tone is overly promotional, the 'sourcing' is very poor, and (very signifigantly) it has substantial material copied directly from here. While it's 'plausible' that an acceptable article could be written about this company, given it's age, this is not it, not at all. This is very close to being a copyvio speedy, if not actually over the line. WP:TNT applies. Reventtalk12:17, 15 February 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Comment No. I think its not exactly like that, may be user have taken reference of the above linked material for the lay out/grammatical tone. I will give my opinion only after through inspection and verification. --Mahensingha(Talk)"Thanx n Regards"15:58, 15 February 2015 (UTC)[reply]
@Mahensingha: The 3rd, 4th, and 5th sentences of the lead are verbatim except for changing 'the company' to 'their'. The list of countries they have manufacturing locatins in is exactly the same, including the words 'and many more' at the end. [15] shows that the 'list of features' is a 61 word direct copy. Yes, it's like that. Reventtalk19:15, 15 February 2015 (UTC)[reply]
(correcting myself) Where I said 'manufacturing locations' I should have said 'products available'. Was tabbing back and forth at the time. Reventtalk19:39, 15 February 2015 (UTC)[reply]
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Keep As with Akilam one if the references listed at the end of the article are in line with criteria no.3 of WP:NB - The book has been considered by reliable sources to have made a significant contribution to a notable or significant motion picture, or other art form, or event or political or religious movement. - better if the refs are incorporated into the article. Coolabahapple (talk) 08:02, 22 February 2015 (UTC)[reply]
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Keep if the references listed at the end of the article are in line with criteria no.3 of WP:NB - The book has been considered by reliable sources to have made a significant contribution to a notable or significant motion picture, or other art form, or event or political or religious movement. - better if the refs are incorporated into the article. Coolabahapple (talk) 08:00, 22 February 2015 (UTC)[reply]
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Delete: An unreferenced article for a term which appears to have been used in conversation by the WP:SPA article creator. His claimed precedence is dubious, given this. There are other uses of the term, but as it stands this is essentially trivial, dubious and unreferenced. AllyD (talk) 10:02, 15 February 2015 (UTC)[reply]
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This is just some apartment building that doesn't pass GNG. The article doesn't even attempt to explain what's notable about it. A Google search turned up a bunch of sites about renting there, as well as a bunch of hits about a type of mattress Sealy's makes of the same name. Google News only brought up four results, all of which appear to be about Sealy's. Google Books brings yet more about Sealy's, as well as a few books about living in Hong Kong which acknowledge that it exists, but say nothing about it. Egsan Bacon (talk) 06:58, 15 February 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Keep – It's a translation of the article in the Chinese WP, on the next day by the same author. There seems to be very little information about it except at real estate agents. The architect doesn't have a website. But there is this page at Emporis, which is the reason for keep – just because it's a tall building and we normally keep those. Some of the statements don't seem to supported any more by the cites, so if it survives I think it may have to be trimmed to about 1/2 its current length. – Margin1522 (talk) 00:15, 16 February 2015 (UTC)[reply]
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The concerned writer has a minor work of short stories. Couldn't find a realible source which says the person is well-knowned in his field. The article further says he/she wrote a lyrics for a song. Can't locate his peers or successors, if he/she had any. This is a true example of promotion activity. The links incorporated in this article are of organisation or school, not having his/her name on websites. Why does it have weblinks of organistaions? Is he/she office bearer of any institutions?. It is a true example of WP:SPIP. Fails WP:AUTHOR,WP:ANYBIO. Even if it is notable, it fails, 'Stand-alone lists'. Therefore the page should be merged to his/her releveant work, if it's notable which is obviously not WP:BASIC or else deleted. It is pointless to have such article. Drsharan (talk) 06:23, 15 February 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Delete -Subject may meet NAUTHOR #3 -..have created a well-known work which has been subject of multiple independent periodical articles or reviews. -Sources, [19], [20]. I've not been able to find the multiple, though. I believe, there might be some more sources on subject and theirs work back in 2005-06. Well, we may re-create it on availability of such sources. Anupmehra -Let's talk!10:16, 16 February 2015 (UTC)[reply]
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Comment, Scouring JSTOR and Google Scholar for "Robert E Lee Chadwick", "Robert E L Chadwick", "Robert E Chadwick", "Robert Chadwick", "REL Chadwick", "RE Chadwick", "R E L Chadwick" and "R E Chadwick" turns up a paper with one citation [25], one with eight [26], a page-long response that mentions him in passing [27] and [28] (pdf), which politely calls him out for unfounded conclusions. That points towards a below-average rate of notability for a professor. Somewhere between 80% and 90% of my professors and lab instructors have a greater citations, and except for a couple, I don't believe they hold sufficient notability for Wikipedia (and only three do). He doesn't appear to have a definable, let alone significant impact on his field, even when you zoom down to its most detailed level. Star Garnet (talk) 00:16, 9 February 2015 (UTC)[reply]
In humanities, and in particular in archaeology, books are more common means of communication than articles, and they do not always make it to citation databases.--Ymblanter (talk) 06:31, 9 February 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Which is perhaps my point. Unless someone finds those perhaps nonexistent books, there isn't reason to believe that this guy is notable. That seems like a leap of faith, not dependence on reliable sources. Star Garnet (talk) 07:51, 9 February 2015 (UTC)[reply]
The fact that something does not appear in citation indices is a problem over the coverrage of those indices, which are much more geared to science than some other subjects. Non-appearance in such indices is not evidnce of non-existence, merely that they are less comprehensive than some would believe. Since his subject was the pre-Hispanic Andes, I cannot carry out checks in more specialised indices that I would use for British hiostry and archaeology. Peterkingiron (talk) 09:59, 13 February 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Keep -- This is a significnat body of work. BAR is not the most prestigious publication, but the fact that someone should think it worthwhile editing his work after his death points to its significance. Peterkingiron (talk) 09:54, 13 February 2015 (UTC)[reply]
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Fails WP:ORG. Non-notable organization. Article sources are either dead links, or don't mention "The Chopstars" (except for one sentence in one article which mentions DJ Candlestick, who already has an article). Unable to find any reliable sources to confirm the notability of "The Chopstars". A "chopstar" category might be added to selected biographies instead. Magnolia677 (talk) 01:14, 1 February 2015 (UTC)[reply]
What is NON-Notable about The Chopstars? I can put many articles in which the chopstars, mainly OG Ron C, are mentioned are about. They have albunms on Itunes, have wikipedia pages in which they are also mentioned. What is needed to keep this page? ThanxHtown4lifetalk06:22, 1 February 2015 (UTC)[reply]
I have asked why this is consider NON notable when these guys currently have a commercial being promoted on Adult Swim No One has YET to provide the in-crediblity nor the notability of this group. They have several VERY notable members which includes Mike G of Odd Future [User:Htown4life|Htown4life]] talk 20:41, 9 February 2015 (UTC)
Updated page with links to Adult Swim press release regarding the Little Dragon remix album [User:Htown4life|Htown4life]] talk 21:22, 9 February 2015 (UTC)
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comment after I closed the group afd on the basis of likely unequal notability, I advised renominating individually a few at a time; renominating in very large groups the way these are being done is not a good idea, because it defeats the purpose of letting people have time to look for individual sources. (personally, though, I think sufficient sources are likely to be found only when there is a substantial subsequent career). DGG ( talk ) 16:14, 31 January 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Keep I have updated this article to include two controversies the subject was involved in, one at Miss Florida pageant and one at Miss USA contest. There are references now from two local newspapers, one national paper, NyDailyNews, and CBS.com, as well as international coverage from DailyMail in UK. these references across numerous reliable verifiable sources more than denote Notability and well as have the article subject pass WP:GNGWordSeventeen (talk) 04:04, 11 February 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Delete I don't think we want to make every winner of a state Miss USA title notable. The second controversy issue actually makes this article weaker, being poorly written and gossipy.John Pack Lambert (talk) 04:24, 13 February 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Keep the sourcing in the article (7 sources, all reliable and independent of the subject) is sufficient to establish notability under a normal interpretation of the GNG. It is the burden of anyone wishing to argue otherwise to state why the sources don't meet the criteria. --ThaddeusB (talk) 20:46, 18 February 2015 (UTC)[reply]
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I don't see anything that suggests notability as per Wikipedia:Notability (web) for this local news site. Of the three sources given, one is the site itself and the other two are about other subjects and only mention Inverclyde Radio in passing. I've done some searching, but I can't find any in-depth coverage in third-party sources. Squinge (talk) 14:32, 8 February 2015 (UTC)[reply]
As a brand new user to Wikipedia, I have not had a chance to learn about the system so if this is the wrong way to respond, I do apologise. I did not create the Inverclyde Radio page and only came across it the other day. I have edited elements on the page as I am a Director of Inverclyde Radio. I will have to take time to understand the use of Wikipedia. As a media outlet in its own right, Inverclyde Radio seldom has any articles supporting us in other media. W G Stewart (talk) 15:40, 8 February 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Hi, and welcome to Wikipedia. The problem here is one of notability, as explained by Wikipedia's policy at Wikipedia:Notability. There are various guidelines regarding all sorts of individual subjects, but the "General notability guideline" as explained there says that "If a topic has received significant coverage in reliable sources that are independent of the subject, it is presumed to be suitable for a stand-alone article or list" - and goes on to explain in more detail. If, as you say, Inverclyde Radio seldom has any articles writing about it in other media, then it might unfortunately just not be sufficiently notable for its own Wikipedia article. Squinge (talk) 16:32, 11 February 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Comment I have added a few bits of info and some references to the article. I guess the station got more coverage in a former incarnation, as Inverclyde FM. Drchriswilliams (talk) 17:13, 11 February 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Delete I had wondered that some further information might turn up to indicate notability, but further searching did not reveal the sort of significant coverage need to establish notability by WP:COMPANY as it lacks WP:CORPDEPTH and doesn't have general notability established using the criteria in WP:GNG. Drchriswilliams (talk) 11:29, 15 February 2015 (UTC)[reply]
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Delete: Article on obscure person supported almost exclusively by several references that are blogs and non-reliable/unnotable foreign media. Orthodox2014 (talk)
Weak keep: Although, most of the sources point to the blogs and self promotonal sites. At the same time Hashmi has received good coverage in indepedent sources like Pakistan's national Dawn news paper this about his launch on non-profit filmmaking competition.A.Minkowiski _Lets t@lk21:04, 27 January 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so a clearer consensus may be reached.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, czar⨹15:18, 8 February 2015 (UTC)[reply]
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Fails WP:ORG. Unreferenced for 8.5 years. Embassies are not inherently notable. This one is located in a historical building, but the building has its own article and is notable in its own right. LibStar (talk) 15:22, 8 February 2015 (UTC)[reply]
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The Wikipedia page for Ronald Barnes should be deleted. It reads like a resumé or C.V. for a person who is a member of a small NGO. He has no newspaper articles tied to his name, and appears to be non-notable. Anywho2015 (talk) 16:45, 8 February 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Delete - only source is an external link for a conference he attended, unable to locate any third-party, reliable sources that would confirm his notability.Fyddlestix (talk) 13:53, 9 February 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Delete. I came to this expecting this would be a member of the state senate or something, but he doesn't actually appear to be a politician at all in the normally understood sense of the word. He may need policitial skills to be the "diplomatic representative" of a small NGO but that's not the same thing. Attending a notable event event as a representative of an obscure organization does not confer notability on the attendee. Overall looks like a case of WP:VSCA. An article on the organization he represents would be a better place to start, if there are any sources to construct that from. Beeblebrox (talk) 18:42, 11 February 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Delete – I was LMFAO when I came across this article several years ago because of the pretentiousness of its wording, then promptly forgot about it. Thanks for nominating it, though it should be pointed out that this was nominated by a brand new editor whose only contributions to Wikipedia were made in a 12-minute stretch several days ago, focused solely on having this article deleted. That editor's post to the article's talk page says that Barnes is part of an "Alaskan indepedance (sic) movement NGO". My firsthand familiarity with that movement dates to the late 1970s; I can assure you that he's not a part of it. Doing a Google search, however, indicates that the tribal council in Tununak (through Barnes) is attempting an approach similar to what Joe Vogler did during the last years of his life, namely petitioning the UN. He's certainly not involved with the politics of Alaska, which is an impression one would develop by looking at the article's title and its inclusion in Category:Alaska politicians (Category:Alaska Native activists would have been a more appropriate category). I left a note at WT:IPNA linking to this discussion, as the aforementioned Google search gave a faint indication that Barnes may possibly have some name recognition in indigenous circles. RadioKAOS / Talk to me, Billy / Transmissions 21:12, 11 February 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Keep but Rename (perhaps as Ronald Barnes (Alaska Native activist) ?) and definitely needs a serious rewrite! (And it won't be me who does said rewrite). Per the inquiry of RadioKAOS, (I'm a member of WP IPNA) I'd say that there is adequate indicia of notability (or notoriety) given that it is difficult to find RS on Indigenous people, and Alaska native people in particular. I googled https://www.google.com/?gws_rd=ssl#q=Ronald+Barnes+Alaska and of the hits that aren't WP mirrors. In particular, yes, the "appeal to the UN is kind of fringe, but it is reported officially at:
Delete - Shouldn't there be some RS for this guy if he's notable? Otherwise anyone attending a UN HR conference could have a bio. Slygrog (talk) 22:51, 13 February 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Delete, pending justification from indigenous community to validate his notability, which isn't evident online.
I found this in the Federal Register: Native Village of Tununak, Theodore Angaiak, President, P.O. Box 77, Tununak, AK 99681-0077; Phone: (907) 652-6527; Fax: (907) 652-6011. Someone could call and find-out if this guy Barnes is legitimate or not.
In any event, the town of Tununak has 325 residents, so being elected as a foreign affairs representative (as Barnes claims) by the "Elders of Tunanak" is kind of small-glory. DroitInternationale (talk) 13:30, 14 February 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Comments:
Never forget the issues of systemic bias when dealing with indigenous people, who are often "invisible" to mainstream sourcing methods.
Also don't discount a small community - if those 325 are the only living members of a given ethnic group, then that is VERY significant.
A better Google search ("Ronald Barnes Alaska") is here. Once you toss out the wikipedia mirrors and references to other people with a similar name there, we still have something. A sampling of third-party sites include the following:
Re-stated Delete I'm glad someone mentioned petitioning the UN - which is in no manner 'fringe': Michael Brown's family and friends came to the UN in Geneva last year to raise the political aspect of his murder. As per the article: I have contact with the subject matter in question, including, but not limited to, that petitioning-forum. Before I'm comfortable with this article being kept, I want someone here to justify that this guy is actually representing at least one body of the indigenous peoples from Alaska. Personally, I'm not convinced he's not a fraud. He's at the UN. He's going to UN meetings. He's making plenty of contacts in that context, which someone might contend is grounds for notability (and if that's so, you've got a long-list of unwritten BLPs for representatives of indigenous groups worldwide who also petition the UN). To be frank, I'm not clear Barnes is attending meetings at the UN on behalf of whom he claims sent him - as it stands, he gets invited under the auspices of other groups than his own, which isn't abnormal, but other elements of the situation are. I think that this article may be part of fabricating the appearance of the linkage (of representing an indigenous community). And if that's true, the title shouldn't be 'Native activist' but something-else. Can someone contact the group in the "Native Village of Tununak" (contact details listed above) to check Barnes-out? DroitInternationale (talk) 06:55, 16 February 2015 (UTC)[reply]
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This was kept before on the basis that it could be sourced, but it still hasn't been. It's a list of features that appear on packages that some car makers call "convenience package" (and others use different names, or bundle the same features in different packages, or they are standard, or whatever) and the sources are all primary. X appears in convenience package, source: manufacturer Y listing X in convenience package. That is WP:OR, pure and simple, and there has never been a single reliable independent secondary source to support this list of random things that random makers bundle in a random collection with this random name. Let me talk you through this by reference to the articles in the list claimed to be "typically" included:
The list of random things with some observations of my own
Automatic central rear view mirror dimmer (may be part of a safety package) - standard in many cars, part of the Driver Support Pack in Volvo, not available at all in others, regardless of the availability of a "convenience pack".
Automatic headlight dimmer (may be part of a safety package) - or not, also in Driver Support on Volvo, something else on BMW and Mercedes.
Bluetoothcellphone link - standard in many models, Technology pack in Honda, Bluetec in Mercedes think.
Coming/Leaving Home Kit (light activation to illuminate the surrounding of a vehicle when passengers and/or the driver emerge, garage door opener, etc.) - SE spec for Volvo, Lux spec for some recent Honda, standard on most Mercedes.
Convenience turn signal (turn signal will automatically flash three times at a single tip of the turn signal lever.) - Standard on all Volvo and I think also current HOnda, standard on many if not all VAG models too.
Cruise control, either plain or adaptive (the vehicle will automatically adjust its velocity to preceding vehicles when the feature is enabled.)
Front seat heating - Winter pack (Volvo), standard when leather seats are specified (Honda), other packs for Mercedes, BMW and others.
Glove compartment light - I cannot recall seeing any car in the last ten years that did not have this as standard.
Ground light on lower edge of door - standard on most Volvos, standard on Range Rover last time I checked, standard on Jaguar, and either standard or included in trim levels or in other packs on other cars.
Map light - the last car I had without one of these was a 1970 Mini.
Moonroof/sunroof - separate option in some cars, standard in Lux spec on some Honda models, separate non-pack option on Volvo V70/VC70, and so on.
Navigation - Nav spec on older Volvos, standard n ow I think, certainly for the 70 and 90 models; SE or Business trim level on other cars, technology packs on Honda and some other models.
Passenger assist strap or handhold - standard on every Volvo and Honda I have ever owned, and on most other cars too these days
Power exterior mirrors - in other packs on Volvo, standard on higher trim levels, standard on all the Mercedes I have looked at, standard with certain trim levels and models on BMW.
Power seat adjustment - standard on driver seat with SE spec Volvo, standard on some Mercedes trim levels, standard on some BMW models and trim levels.
Rear vision camera - option (on-pack) for Volvo, standard on some trim levels for Jaguar and Land-Rover, other packs or separate option for BMW last time I checked.
Remote start - comes with keyless drive and Volvo On Call for Volvo, other packs for other models.
Umbrella holder in door pillar. - the only car I have ever seen that has this is the Royce, and I have no idea if it's standard or not.
Vanity mirror light - every car I have owned or driven for the last twenty years has had this as standard.
Vanity mirror on sun visor - this was standard on my late sister's 1978 Mini.
Now, it's quite possible that some of these are included in a pack called convenience by some makers. As it stands, however, it is an indiscriminate collection of information, something Wikipedia is not. There is no source for most items, and those that are sourced, there is no evidence that this is a general name for the pack, no evidence that these items are usually included in such a pack, and no evidence that other sources consider this a separate subject. The most you could say is that this is a list of features that are optional on some cars (and standard or unavailable on others), some of whihc may be offered in various packs or trim levels by some manufacturers. That is, pretty much, all you can say about this list of items. Guy (Help!) 17:14, 8 February 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Delete Corporate PR-speak; no clear definition of exactly what this term means or what it includes. So poorly defined that although this article treats it as an automotive term, it appears to be used in other industries as well; in the previous AfD somebody cited a reference to "convenience packaging" in the brewing industry. I would put this in the same category as when a cold-calling salesperson announces "this is a courtesy call..." --MelanieN (talk) 23:31, 14 February 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Also, the previous rationale for keeping this article was that convenience packages had been the topic of secondary sources in other industries than the automotive. That's a mistake, because this article is unmistakably about cars only so an article using those sources would be a rewrite. QVVERTYVS (hm?) 10:24, 16 February 2015 (UTC)[reply]
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Does not pass WP:BASIC. All US coverage seems to be blogs, social media and press released. Based on rough machine translation the Spanish language sources do not look much, if any, better Does not pass WP:NRV. Does not pass WP:GNG. Puff piece, the article is written in an overly promotional style and there are no sources to back it up or to rewrite it in a neutral manner. WP:SPIP. JBH (talk) 17:58, 8 February 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Delete Lacks significant third-party reliable sources. I can find him quoted in Portuguese business pages, but not as the focus of an article. LaMona (talk) 23:12, 14 February 2015 (UTC)[reply]
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Week delete - Although few in number, news coverage included in the article seems reliable and significant. I will change to keep if anyone can provide some more reliable sources. - Rahat (Talk * Contributions)07:39, 9 February 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Comment, Rahat bro, She may be in some news article, but has not done anything notable (in modeling or TVC or films), she has got some publicity in media due to her body exposure only. Ibrahim Husain Meraj (talk) 08:11, 9 February 2015 (UTC)[reply]
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Completely non-notable for our purposes per WP:NTOUR, which requires serious coverage of the actual tour, not just reviews of individual shows, for instance. This one seems to have a few sources that seem to discuss the tour, but appearances are deceptive: KpopStarz is, of course, not a reliable source, and this, from the Joongang Daily, is nothing but a bit of chit-chat that mentions some promotional activities, and this, from Korean Broadcasting System, is an insult to journalism. In short, the tour fails our notability guidelines. Drmies (talk) 19:52, 8 February 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Keep. The fact that English language sources don't deal with a K-pop tour in such detail as they would with a Lady Gaga tour, doesn't mean other language sources don't. This is a major tour, with 13 concerts and several tens of thousands of audience. And whatever you think of 'journalism' is irrelevant. KBS and JoongAng Daily are major players in Korean media. More sources: Full concert coverage from MTVK: [30], concert coverage from LA Weekly. A longer article about the tour (not news article) in Korean that tells the Asian leg of the tour drew 40,000 people: [31]. Another at the Korea Economic Daily about the New York concert: 한국 남자 솔로 최초…XIA 뉴욕 심장 울리다. Another about the whole workd tour [32]Teemeah편지 (letter)12:35, 11 February 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Undecided Literally the first link I chose to click on that Teemeah listed turned out to be a deleted article. You might want to do something about that Korean economic daily article you listed. Anyways, while this might make some people say delete I looked up what was on the page currently and what I see is bad prose and worse refrences but also something else. This tour kind of did amaze me. I don't know of another Korean solo artist that has gone on a world tour that viseted Asia, South America, Europe, And the US. Frankly that seems like someone should have made a note of it somewhere. Also individual concert refrences I feel should be allowed if they also make clear and signifigant mention of the other stops and discuss the tour as whole. So I think with some effort it might be possible for the article to be brought up to standard...but as of right now should be de-linked from the artist main because those references it has now are terrible.Peachywink (talk) 13:24, 17 February 2015 (UTC)[reply]
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Keep. The band has charted multiple times for both singles [33] and albums [34], with the highest single coming in at 41 and the highest album at 48. This satisfies criterion number 2 of WP:BAND. With a few online articles ([35], [36], etc.) and indications they regularly appear in the visual kei press ([37]), I believe they pass notability criteria. Michitaro (talk) 23:07, 11 February 2015 (UTC)[reply]
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I have gone through the page and deleted certain sections for this page (which I created), due to the fact that the information could not and can not be established as credible, notable or in fact noted at all. This page was my first creation and was based primarily on personal knowledge or short term mention on a website or other internet source.
Page should be deleted unless someone else can establish sufficient notability or reason for the subject should be included on Wikipedia.
Delete Does not seem to meet guidelines. The only significant coverage I found in a search is the entry at NPR Second Stage, already cited in the article. --MelanieN (talk) 23:15, 14 February 2015 (UTC)[reply]
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Keep As creator of the article I may be biased, however, everything in the article is properly cited and there is sufficient coverage of this band to warrant an article. Andise1 (talk) 00:38, 16 February 2015 (UTC)[reply]
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Redundant information (mostly cast lists and non-notable trivia) already presented at main Saturday Night Live article as well as the 40 season pages. I am also nominating the following:
Completely arbitrary to chronicle television series by five-year increments rather than seasons, and the season pages encompass every episode and are better referenced anyway. No information would be lost if these pages are deleted. -- Wikipedical (talk) 22:32, 8 February 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Delete -- we have articles on each season and on the series as a whole. That is ample. The series article has a navbox linking to the quinennial articles as well as the season articles. This will need to be altered sothat the deletion does not result in a load of red links. Peterkingiron (talk) 23:50, 9 February 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Merge with the appropriate season articles, since it seems like there's quite a bit of info on some of these pages that isn't in the appropriate season articles. (Of course, quite a lot of it needs referencing.) StewdioMACKTalk page11:52, 12 February 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Weak keep, sort of - I can certainly see why you'd want to write more broadly themed articles like this, but certainly not in their current form. Why the five-year chunks? This would be much better if broken into four or five articles, covering the beginning, Ebersol era, the 90s, 2000s cast, and the current iteration. Ed[talk][majestic titan]03:06, 17 February 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Keep -- SNL is an important American tv show, & the behind-the-scenes events are worth explaining in extensive detail that would bog down the main article. Specifically, the program had a brilliant beginning, went thru several years of uneven quality, then recovered & become a solid late Saturday night feature for American audiences; a narrative of this evolution is a notable subject & worth doing. However, I'll repeat Ed's point that these articles need to be better organized, statements all over the articles need sourcing (although I've not encountered anything that is off-the-tracks wrong) & some of the information is too trivial for inclusion. In brief, while the subject matter is notable, in their current state the articles are of substandard quality. -- llywrch (talk) 07:58, 17 February 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Comment to address the recent keep votes: I don't think anyone is suggesting Saturday Night Live or its history or even content included in these articles is not notable. But that's why there are 40 (!) season articles, which more thoroughly (and more consistently with other WP:TV pages) document the history of SNL and are better sourced. Everything in these pages are redundant with those articles. The main objection here is the completely arbitrary 5-year increments (no one has taken a position defending those yet). I believe that if these articles aren't deleted, then merging them with the season articles adequately address the keep votes' concerns -- Wikipedical (talk) 05:19, 18 February 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Sure, but those are very narrowly focused. There's a good argument for overall looks at wide swaths of the show's history, starting with the Not Ready For Primetime Players and coming through the present day. Ed[talk][majestic titan]18:12, 18 February 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Perhaps, but five-year increments are completely arbitrary. Saturday Night Live (season 1) through season 5 already contain the same text verbatim in the first "History" article. If you believe Not Ready For Primetime Players merits its own article, for example. sure, create it. But as it stands, these general "overview"/"history" articles are poorly sourced and inconsistent with the way we chronicle television on Wikipedia. Putting aside the show's early history for a moment, you really believe History of Saturday Night Live (2010–present) should be kept? -- Wikipedical (talk) 22:19, 18 February 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Keep - I agree that some of the info on these pages is the same as things other pages (Cast lists, ect.), but it seems like it's there for easy comparison with the info unique to this page (Of which there's quite a bit). These pages seem to be more of a comparison to between seasons - a running history if you will. I do agree with Ed that the 5 year chunks don't really make sense. A lot of it needs further sourcing too, so it might be better to fix this before merging (If merging is an option.) so as not to compromise other articles. - samdod2427 22:03 18th February 2015 (GMT) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Samdod2427 (talk • contribs)
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Redirect to Charles_Manson#Tate_murders. Add'l info provided in this article amounts to trivia about an otherwise unnotable murder victim. Perhaps that article section should be broken out into a separate article, but better to handle that with talk page discussion there. --Hobbes Goodyear (talk) 14:30, 22 February 2015 (UTC)[reply]
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Non-notable individual lacking non-trivial support. Most references do not even mention subject and includes press release. No in-depth coverage or support. reddogsix (talk) 04:45, 8 February 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose. This article should not be deleted because multiple independent, reliable sources have provided significant coverage WP:GNG. The individual's work has been noted elsewhere on Wikipedia and is sufficient to establish notability.Wikitam331 (talk) 08:57, 17 February 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Delete. "Multiple independent, reliable sources have provided significant coverage" for this 23-year-old? Really? I don't see even one. The first two cites in the article don't mention the subject; the third is one sentence in a press release from his then-college; fourth is some local blog; fifth is a short event listing in a free weekly paper. Not much else to be found on the web, beyond subject's personal blog: "I'm an entrepreneur, student, climber and hustler." WP:NOTPROMOTION. --Hobbes Goodyear (talk) 04:59, 22 February 2015 (UTC)[reply]
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Okay this is odd, originally I put up this prod as this was saying this was a player who was born in 1985-now I look at it is someone born in 2000-so this looks like this is in fact a hoax article or someone changes the info. Either way delete. Wgolf (talk) 04:14, 15 February 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Speedy Delete: yeah, it's just Nojus or a friend having a bit of fun. From the first version of the page we find this fanciful idea: "In the 2012-13 season as Blackburn won a historic treble; the league title, cup and Champions League."—Noah05:14, 15 February 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks for the info. Nothing turned out from my quick searches though, and I kinda jumped right to the non-existence conclusion. 野狼院ひさしu/t/c05:29, 16 February 2015 (UTC)[reply]
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Keep in addition to the coverage already in the article, there are many sources available in several languages (English, Spanish, Thai, etc.) More than a handful of these are biographical in nature, making it clear that notability has been established. --ThaddeusB (talk) 15:44, 19 February 2015 (UTC)[reply]
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-Which this was originally a redirect it seems for a film that I am not sure why it was. (Seems like a editor was sneaky and edited a article with this) Wgolf (talk) 01:11, 15 February 2015 (UTC)[reply]
-The page that it was a redirect to was a film called Jaisurya-which yeah it seems odd that it was made a redirect in the first place doing that but oh well. Still this should be deleted. Wgolf (talk) 01:16, 15 February 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Delete. This subject is so clearly non-notable, it hardly seems necessary to point out the lack of sources to establish notability as required by WP:GNG. Of course there are no sources. Msnicki (talk) 02:02, 15 February 2015 (UTC)[reply]
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Delete - I agree with above. An article on Tower Hamlets 'Youth Mayors' would be difficult to be called notably (the recent political discussion around the ward doesn't change this), let alone a stub about one of the award's winners. Johnwayne93 (talk) 02:08, 16 February 2015 (UTC)[reply]
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