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The result was merge to Hollyoaks. MBisanz talk 03:12, 19 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

List of minor Hollyoaks characters (1997)[edit]

List of minor Hollyoaks characters (1997) (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) (delete) – (View AfD)

List of minor characters in a certain year, unlikly to grow very much, also mostly focuses on one character, possibly trying to mask non-notability as there are no citations or refrences as well. --Ipatrol (talk) 00:17, 15 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

This was essentially a work-in-progress to clean up the clutter on the parent page. As there are no other characters with available data, I'll make a separate article for Holly. --Conquistador2k6 (talk) 00:27, 15 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. MBisanz talk 03:12, 19 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. MBisanz talk 03:13, 19 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Traditionalist world view (American)[edit]

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Traditionalist world view (American) (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) (delete) – (View AfD) WP:ESSAY, WP:SYN, WP:OR. Don't know how this ever passed last time, so I'm putting it up again. Neutralitytalk 23:44, 14 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was delete. MBisanz talk 03:13, 19 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

A Warriors Trial[edit]

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Non-notable fiction with no sources, and nothing at Google. The original author of the article admits to being the author of the story. Using Wikipedia to get his fame for his non-published story? AnyPerson (talk) 23:47, 14 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. MBisanz talk 03:13, 19 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Frankie Zayas and Matt Walters[edit]

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no notability, and shouldn't even be in the same article anyway. An easy delete. MrShamrock (talk) 23:25, 14 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was Delete per WP:SNOW. Lenticel (talk) 03:35, 15 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Dirge (World of Warcraft)[edit]

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Personal essay, personal opinions, non-encycolpedic. POV is clearly disregarded, and no assertion of notability or even validity MrShamrock (talk) 23:21, 14 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was rename . –Juliancolton Tropical Cyclone 01:02, 20 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

List of fast casual restaurants[edit]

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Stale fact tagging isn't going to help this directory listing, its based upon a weak neologism to begin with. Delete. coccyx bloccyx(toccyx) 23:17, 14 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was Delete. Lenticel (talk) 02:16, 19 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Funnerific[edit]

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Declined prod. Article appears to be a dictionary definition of a neologism and "funnerific" does not seem to be a topic that satisfies our notability guidelines. Skomorokh 22:56, 14 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was keep. MBisanz talk 03:15, 19 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Paul Couvrette[edit]

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After extensive online searches, I've found that Paul Couvrette is just an average (one among 1000s) portrait photographer. He clearly should not be in the fashion photographer catagory of wikipedia. The claim of "the Canadian Photographer of the Year, Ontario Photographer of the Year and Ottawa Photographer of the Year". My question, is by whom? (Life Magazine, American Photo) Having met and collaborated with photographers like Yousf Karsh, does not make you a notable photographer. My nomination for deletion is base soley on the results of this photographer. Often results are harsh, but always fair. The article reeks of (self-) promotion, it's highly likely that there's been a considerable conflict of interest but it's possible that it could have been written by a fan. Frankly, the entire article reads like it came from the month of an egocentric photographer, looking to create creditability by using wiki. MagazineHound (talk) 22:46, 14 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

  • Keep - I agree that the article is a terribly written piece of fluff. There are clear WP:COI issues (the infobox photo, added by the author, seems to indicate it was written by the subject), WP:PEACOCK language, borderline WP:SPAM, and exaggerated claims not matched by the references. However, the 1994 Commercial Photographer of the Year Award from the Professional Photographers of Canada, his covers and photo spreads for Time/Life, Architectural Digest etc., and coverage in Ottawa Life Magazine allows Couvrette to pass notability criteria. The article should be scrubbed of any unreferenced self-promotional POV and whittled down to only factual encyclopedic essence. — CactusWriter | needles 11:56, 15 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
    • Would you care to make a start at this job? As I look at the article now, I get the impression that its flatus content is well above 90%. (If I were to "whittle it down", I might end up with about three sentences.) -- Hoary (talk) 01:14, 16 January 2009 (UTC) ..... Further, when I google for "professional photographers of canada" "photographer of the year", the first three hits are for pages put up by its organizer but the next two are from Couvrette's website. I like to think that I'm fairly well up on photographers but none of the winners sounds familiar. -- Hoary (talk) 15:19, 16 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
      • I can take a whack at it this weekend. (No rush, I suppose, since it has been wallowing on WP for more than a year). If you want to jump in before then - great - and if it ends up with only three sentences, well, then that's all it deserves. I see his official PPOC page refers to wikipedia as his personal website. Ugh. Some possible refs are [1], [2], [3], [4], although all except the Ottawa Citizen (which only uses him in a peripheral sense but does call him "notable") are fanboy style and leave me uneasy. — CactusWriter | needles 16:02, 16 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
        • The hell with fanboy-style sources; let's have good sources or none. After all, such an eminent photographer must have them in abundance. ¶ I've just gone through half of the article, deeply touched by the high regard with which the SPA authors hold Paul Couvrette, even if occasionally holding my nose. And then, after saving the result, I noticed something odd. Couvrette not only had an article in fr:WP (not surprising for a Canadian for whom great claims are made), but also one in de:WP. Cynic that I am, the thought occurred to me that it might not actually exist: I hesitate to say this (WP:BEANS and all that), but I have encountered puff-pieces bristling with links to non-existent other-language sources. Well, the links existed all right, but indeed they weren't what people might have guessed. Here you see me removing them: two links to categories in other-language Wikipedias. Mmm, tasty! -- Hoary (talk) 03:07, 17 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
    • The photo is identified here as "© Jeremy Calhoun for Couvrette/Ottawa". (And here's Calhoun.) -- Hoary (talk) 08:37, 17 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep. CactusWriter has demonstrated notability. Phil Bridger (talk) 20:15, 15 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comments. First, Hound, you say He clearly should not be in the fashion photographer catagory of wikipedia. Then remove him from it, or in Wikipedia editing terms, remove the link to a category from his article. (This is an option I recommended to you on your talk page hours before you launched this, your latest of a series of AfDs.) Secondly, while I haven't yet examined the other claims made in this fragrant article, I will say that the whole thing has a considerable (and I presume unintended) amusement value. ¶ I'll probably be voting later. -- Hoary (talk) 00:58, 16 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • Info An earlier paean to Couvrette, created by SPAs Ottawason and Hereinottawa, was summarily deleted by User:NawlinWiki on 11 Jan '08 as "blatant advertising". The article in its current state (unchanged since its nomination by MagazineHound) is very similar indeed to that deleted by NawlinWiki. -- Hoary (talk) 01:14, 16 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • Note: This debate has been included in the list of Photography-related deletion discussions. —Hoary (talk) 01:22, 16 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • Note: This debate has been included in the list of Ontario-related deletion discussions. —Hoary (talk) 01:22, 16 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment on possible motivation. This encomium to Couvrette becomes increasingly fragrant (if in a spammy sort of way) on closer inspection. Google "paul couvrette" and the first hit is his company. The second is his article in, uh, that encyclopedia that anyone can edit. And now, take a look at his "About us": Google the name of the area photographers that impress you… then Google Paul Couvrette… if you really want an objective comparison written by an outside source. Yeah, right. -- Hoary (talk) 01:45, 16 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment on what "sourcing" is already provided: I've clicked on a minority of the (few) specific sources. So far, I've only found one that actually said what the positioning of the footnote implies that it said. If an assertion in this article is followed by a footnote, you can't yet infer that the assertion is actually backed up. -- Hoary (talk) 05:31, 17 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • Unenthusiastic keep. He seems to be a vigorous self-promoter (and I don't see a claim for a single solo exhibition or published book); but he also does seem more than usually prominent among commercial photographers. The article will have to be cut back a lot, and will probably need monitoring to ensure that the spam doesn't creep back in; so whether people think an article on Couvrette should live or die, I'd urge them to put it on their watchlists. -- Hoary (talk) 08:31, 17 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete After drilling down this article to the bare (and barely supported) facts, I just don't see the notability. Couvrette has some (minor) claims to fame, but not the notability that I see as required for an article. I don't see the widespread respect from his peers and the well-supported acknowledgments from the mainstream media that the Wiki notability standards request. Yes, he is a skilled self-promoter, but that is not our standard. On my first read of the article, I suspected that under all the wild (and wildly humorous) claims (his studio was used by the Rolling Stones!; his customers at the camera store where he clerked for a few months included Sultan of Oman!; he was the father of digital photography in Canada!), that there was still a kernel of honestly earned, notable respect from his peers. Now that the article has been mostly drilled down (major kudos to Hoary and CactusWriter for their hard work), I still see a bunch of poorly supported claims bolstered by brushes with celebrity that don't amount to a notable article. Couvrette is a wedding and portrait photographer, runs a studio, has photographed some government officials, and has had some photos published in major magazines. Where is the significant critical attention? Where are the significant exhibitions? Where are the inclusions in the permanent collections of several notable galleries or museums? The article does not demonstrate notability, delete. TheMindsEye (talk) 19:39, 18 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was speedy delete. Hoax GbT/c 09:43, 16 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

David Ariel de Rothschild[edit]

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Contested PROD. Suspected hoax article, individual cannot be found on the Internet, nor can the billion dollar company he is supposed to be the president of. roleplayer 22:31, 14 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was keep. Per WP:SNOW. (non-admin closure) — neuro(talk) 04:13, 15 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Topic outline of algebra[edit]

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Also nominating: Topic outline of arithmetic, Topic outline of calculus, Topic outline of geometry, Topic outline of mathematics for same reasons.

These articles contain little information, and what information is there is mostly already either in the main articles algebra, arithmetic, calculus, geometry, mathematics or the portals portal:algebra, portal:geometry and portal:mathematics. Charvest (talk) 22:29, 14 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was merge to List of schools in Chicago Public Schools . MBisanz talk 03:16, 19 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Whittier School[edit]

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Non Notable School written in an ad like manner. Marcusmax(speak) 21:49, 14 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was keep. MBisanz talk 03:16, 19 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Joey Miskulin[edit]

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No non-trivial sources found. Plenty of hits but they're all one sentence mentions or directory listings. Ten Pound Hammer and his otters • (Broken clamshells • Otter chirps • HELP) 21:34, 14 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. MBisanz talk 03:16, 19 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Snowfall in Drybrook 2008/2009[edit]

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This has been split out from the main article about Drybrook, but there is nothing notable about the snowfall in this or other periods. The PROD was contested. The article is verifiable form meteorological records but it is not notable Fiddle Faddle (talk) 21:09, 14 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

  • Delete If it hasn't snowed in Drybrook in more than 100 years, that can be mentioned in the article. However, this English town isn't exactly in the tropics. Mandsford (talk) 22:24, 14 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete - Not notable per WP:INDISCRIMINATE: Wikipedia is not for news reports. In the same vain, I believe this covers weather reports for a small area. This is of strictly local influence, plus it sounds as if a Chamber of Commerce wrote it, then again, maybe it is well-known for its white Christmases! Unlikely... and not notable. Scapler (talk) 02:33, 18 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was delete. MBisanz talk 03:16, 19 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Matthew Degnan[edit]

Matthew Degnan (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) (delete) – (View AfD)

I'm proposing the deletion of this article and the short articles that it links to. There is no indication of notability here, and I can't find anything but social network profiles searching for Degnan and his work. It appears to be a young writer who's written a few short stories and movies with friends, but nothing that is in any way noted by any source whatsoever. FlyingToaster 20:44, 14 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

  • Speedy Delete - the speedy tag was removed by a new IP user, possibly the aticle creator. The subject isn't notable as defined by WP:N and there are no references. I assume that sub-articles such as The Tale of Gregory Lovell will be deleted too. --Deadly∀ssassin 03:36, 15 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • No, don't userfy, just simply delete. Userfying vanity pages still lets the vanity pages stay. There's absolutely no point to that, unless the user is a valued member of the community. If they're only here to promote themselves, than that's just giving them most of what they want. -- Zanimum (talk) 18:27, 16 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was keep. MBisanz talk 03:17, 19 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Pan-African Ocean[edit]

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Unsourced entry on something that may or may not have existed. Padillah (talk) 20:25, 14 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was keep. MBisanz talk 03:17, 19 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Layng Martine, Jr.[edit]

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Some notable songwriting credits, but absolutely no reliable sources. Only source is his own website. No hits in Google News or Books, only lyrics directories found in Google search. Seems to fail the notability guidelines due to lack of sources. Ten Pound Hammer and his otters • (Broken clamshells • Otter chirps • HELP) 20:16, 14 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

  • Keep - Per WP:MUSIC, he passes as a songwriter having been the writer for several songs that have charted. The lack of sources has been identified in the article with an ((unref)) tag but sources are very likely available. A quick search turns up this. I'm sure more can be found. -- Whpq (talk) 21:14, 14 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • WP:MUSIC establishes that songwriters of notable compositions meet the criteria. This guy has written at least one which I have provided a source for. So I would argue that alone is sufficient. However, the article lists other charting songs that he has written. All that needs to happen is get references for that. The article is very new being created in November 2008. And tagged for references a couple of weeks later, so time needs to be allowed for references to be added. BTW, the backlog of unreferenced articles stretch all the way back to August 2006. -- Whpq (talk) 22:24, 14 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • Have a look at the results from this google book search. [6]. Unfortunately, they aren't available with online preview but the snippets of text displayed from books such as The Great Song Thesaurus clearly show the assignment of the writing credit. And the fact that the song is listed in a compendium of "great songs" indicates that the composition is notable. -- Whpq (talk) 22:32, 14 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • Yes, that is enough. That's why we have stub templates so other editors can add to the article. How can we expect to collaboratively expand an article if we kill off viable stubs? The fact that I haven't expanded this article beyond a stub is not relevant to whether it is kept. What is relevant is notability and that has been established. -- Whpq (talk) 20:01, 15 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was cancelled. I'm cancelling this AfD as the argument made by 78.52.239.148 is for a move rather than a delete and that move has been done. Many thanks to Whpq, Eldereft and Rklear for their research. ➨ ❝ЯEDVERS❞ dedicated to making a happy man very old 15:10, 16 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Zelleleiter[edit]

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Being a german native speaker I don't know the word. There are no sources given in the article. "Zelleleiter" has hardly any hits. The word doesn't sound grammatically correct in my ears. That would be rather "Zellenleiter". --78.52.239.148 (talk) 16:14, 3 January 2009 (UTC) Text copied from article. ➨ ❝ЯEDVERS❞ a reasonably good buy 20:04, 14 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]


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The result was delete. MBisanz talk 03:18, 19 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

GreenroomGlossary[edit]

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This was nominated by an IP editor with the less-than-helpful rationale "screamingly unencyclopedic". That said, they may have a point: an article about a temporary exhibition at a college doesn't sound all that notable. Community input would be welcome. ➨ ❝ЯEDVERS❞ a reasonably good buy 19:47, 14 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. Lenticel (talk) 02:14, 19 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

寸[edit]

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Delete essentially a dab page for various translations of this Chinese character - it already appears in Wiktionary, and none of the links here are proper nouns such that this character is someone's name in his/her native script, so it really doesn't belong here. Carlossuarez46 (talk) 19:30, 14 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was speedy delete. Confirmed hoax. Not verifiable. Mgm|(talk) 01:20, 15 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Nepalepsy[edit]

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Suspected hoax; zero hits on Google Scholar or PubMed. Only Wikipedia clones on Google. Steven Fruitsmaak (Reply) 19:23, 14 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Unfortunately, from the article history it looks like at least three editors looked at the article and gave it a pass; but hey, it's a big encyclopedia and not everybody is in a position to bring down deletion on articles that deserve it. Baileypalblue (talk) 23:00, 14 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
It's very common for editors doing routine maintenance to do just that maintenance task and not actually examine the article generally. It would be a good idea encouraging them to actually think about the article, but on the other hand many beginners just want to fix details, and it is a reasonable way to start. DGG (talk) 00:49, 15 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was delete. MBisanz talk 03:18, 19 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

The Money Masters: How International Bankers Gained Control of America[edit]

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Non-notable video. The sourcing for this article seems based on primary sources & non-RS blogs. Shawn in Montreal (talk) 18:56, 14 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

People (Griffin, Masterjohn and Jones) writing things on web sites that they operate is not the kind of "publication" needed. WillOakland (talk) 22:43, 16 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete G4 if applicable, possibly salt. - Eldereft (cont.) 00:34, 15 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete, tired rehash without any reliable coverage. WillOakland (talk) 09:46, 15 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • Strong keepthis documentary explains everything about the current financial crises and as this documentary was released in 1995 it was not known.its only after the financial crises that it is becoming popular.I urge that this article be kept.It explains a lot about the financial sitution.hell you have zeitgest which is outright extreme but you want to delete this scientic documentary.

manchurian candidate 15:56, 15 January 2009 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Manchurian candidate (talk • contribs)

Zeitgeist was determined to have reliable third-party coverage. That a certain set of editors consider the content of the video novel or groundbreaking is no reason to keep, particularly since it essentially repeats material that circulated in Posse Comitatus during the 70s and 80s. You don't want to know where it was before that. WillOakland (talk) 04:35, 16 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Where? Oh wait... on second thought, I've got a pretty good idea. Shawn in Montreal (talk) 01:55, 18 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was speedy delete as advertising. This article's primary purpose is to give dates, addresses, and telephone numbers, and it is written in the first person and exhorts the reader in the second person. This would require a complete rewrite from the ground up to become an encyclopaedia article. My attempts to find sources to use in order to kerrrzappp this advertisment came up empty. There is no reason to retain this blatant advertisement whilst waiting for a proper encyclopaedia article to be written, should sources on this subject ever appear. Wikipedia is neither a free web host nor an advertising billboard.

Incidentally, there appear to have been two banks — one bank formed in the 1980s and a second bank that was, at least, planned in the 1960s (although I found no evidence that the plans came to fruition in my search for sources). Uncle G (talk) 01:38, 16 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

TransOhio[edit]

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Disputed prod. Article makes no assertion of notability, and primary Google hits reference a failed bank of the same name. I'm not saying the group doesn't do important work: just that there is no evidence given that they should have an article here. SarekOfVulcan (talk) 18:39, 14 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was speedy keep, but with no prejudice against deleting later if it can't be cleaned up to encyclopedic standards.--SarekOfVulcan (talk) 15:36, 15 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Lewis h. nash[edit]

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Article previously deleted last month via PROD, with reason: Probable copyvio of "The Story of Lewis Hallock Nash, ME, ED, by Harold Nash, 1931"; article recreated today. A More Perfect Onion (talk) 18:35, 14 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

  • Strong Delete- Article states copyright Nash Co. In addition, the editor that created the article has a history of adding copyrighted material in addition to this article. ttonyb1 (talk) 18:41, 14 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
    • Comment - I did consider tagging the page with db-copyvio; I wasn't comfortable applying the tag because the article asserts a copyright release. Which, admittedly, should not be a part of the article. I question whether the creating editor has the legal standing to release the original article to Wikipedia. --A More Perfect Onion (talk) 18:46, 14 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I have permission from the Nash family, and Nash Engineering Co. to post this article. If the copyright info is supposed to be appended some other way (I was told that I needed to include it to avoid having the article deleted), then please tell me how.

Lewis H. Nash invented, among other things, the liquid ring vacuum pump, which has an article of its own. It seems only right that people can see something about the inventor. Amy Harold, article poster —Preceding unsigned comment added by Amyharold (talk • contribs) 18:55, 14 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. Wikipedia is not Wiktionary, where an entry on this already exists. seicer | talk | contribs 02:45, 20 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Egyptian Night[edit]

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This does not appear to be a notable phrase, it seems to be only sourced and used by James Wood a century ago. dougweller (talk) 18:10, 14 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

  • delete - It does seem to have appeared in the Nuttall Encyclopaedia, which has its own article but that I don't think that establishes notability; so, until then, seems to fall under Wikipedia:Avoid neologisms as a protologism. The phrase just doesn't seem notable enough for inclusion and I think it also falls under Wikipedia:Wikipedia is not a dictionary. Jason Quinn (talk) 19:00, 14 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
    • If it is kept, how might this article grow? Exodus 10:22 ("And Moses stretched forth his hand toward heaven; and there was a thick darkness in all the land of Egypt three days...") more or less gives the complete story of the reference. I don't see an article growing by expounding on this somewhat obscure passage. After looking at more uses of the phase "Egyptian nights" in books, it seems like the "Egyptian" is being used mostly as an adjective meaning "biblically dark". In the Mencken case, he just made a compound noun out of the adjective for "nights of biblical darkness". It seems like the article would just in essence be a collections of examples of where the phrase was used. The other idea would be to explore Exo 10:22 but that is better done in an article about Exo 10:22. If the phrase was semi-commonly used, does that alone establish encyclopedic suitability? How would an encyclopedia article be better than an additional definition for "Egyptian" to Wikitionary? Jason Quinn (talk) 23:57, 14 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • Weak keep Glancing quickly at the subject, I see that H. L. Mencken was familiar with the concept (see the ref I added in the article) so I suspect it was notable a century ago, and per policy, notability does not expire. Lack of modern sources demonstrating notability would not be evidence of the subject's non-notability, as long-ago sources would be hard to find now; furthermore we now have two independent reliable sources attesting to the phrase's existence a century ago, so it's certainly not a neologism. Baileypalblue (talk) 20:16, 14 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep and rename The correct phrase in common use in "Egyptian darkness", just as the KJ Bible has it. [8]. DGG (talk) 02:00, 15 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
    • comment - there's an entry at Wiktionary for "Egyptian darkness". It is a valid question to ask how an article on "egyptian darkness" could be expanded in an encyclopedic manner. I could just be myopic but it seems that any expansion of the article would not involve much more than defining the phrase and its reference. Listing examples of its usage in literature is not much more encyclopedic than listing examples of usage of the phrase "raining cats and dogs" in literature. It seems like this entry should be deleted as per Wikipedia:Wikipedia is not a dictionary. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Jason Quinn (talk • contribs)

*Comment I agree with DGG that it should be kept but only if it is renamed, some good sources using it [9] - article will need a bit of work still of course. dougweller (talk) 06:55, 15 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

  • CommentSorry, just reread Jason Quinn's comments (and signed the last one). I'm retracting my comments above as I'm not sure that there is more than a definition of the word & at best saying 'so and so used it in thus and such'. dougweller (talk) 14:30, 15 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
All distinctive phrases in the Bible can be expanded as they have been much discussed in the 20 centuries since they've been written. The large number of sources for various forms of the word found in the searches is a good indication of what is available. DGG (talk) 05:29, 16 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Surely unless we turn the article into a list it would require reliable sources talking about the use of the phrase? dougweller (talk) 06:09, 16 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
As for the phrase itself, there should be no problem getting them for any phrase or even any word in the Bible, Koran, or similar classics. There has been exhaustive analysis, as this was the major intellectual activity of people for centuries. There is already one that is sufficient in the article. As for the use of the phrase, if a phrase can be shown to be notable by being used in significant contexts, you do not also need references saying that the use is notable. A references does not have to itself be referenced to show that the reference is significant. That would go on forever. , DGG (talk) 06:57, 17 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • Strong Delete. There is no need to create articles for every word in the bible. It is sufficient to include it in any article on related matter, such as on the book of Exodus. This is not the Encyclopedia Judaica. Cush (talk) 12:44, 17 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
In that case the article is definitely misleading and should be deleted immediately. The purpose of an article should be to inform a reader about the issue it deals with. Cush (talk) 17:47, 17 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Delete dicdef. Wiktionary is the place for this. - Richfife (talk) 21:12, 19 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was keep. The Nordic Goddess Kristen Worship her 22:37, 17 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Gil Mantera's Party Dream[edit]

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Article on non notable band written in very POV terms. Reads like a fan site, possible copyvio text. No Reliable Sources. Fails WP:BAND Archivey (talk) 23:22, 9 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

  • Comment - According the the page this band has existed for 10 years and has toured in the notable van's warped tour. Their myspace page has 10000ish fans/friends which could be a good gauge of a band's notability, the question being how many fans does a band have to have to be notable or is a band only notable if they get a song onto a best seller chart? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Nathan Orth (talk • contribs) 23:54, 9 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Article is completly unsourced and is nothing more than a hobby band, which is why we have WP:BAND. Once they've achieved notabilty they can have an article, otherwise every kid with a guitar can claim notability and have an article. This is Wikipedia not Myspace. Archivey (talk) 19:33, 12 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was keep. MBisanz talk 03:20, 19 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I Love Money (Season 2)[edit]

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non-notable at this time -- purely promotional advertisement. -- Gmatsuda (talk) 17:36, 14 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

  • Keep: This is a future television show which is scheduled to air on VH1 in about 20 days. I believe it is both notable, in that the show will air on a major cable television network, and more than promotional advertisement. The amount of information and number of sources will surely increase dramatically over the next few weeks. Thanks! Plastikspork (talk) 18:21, 14 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep: if season 1 was notable, season 2 will be. Worst case, merge to season one and rename that article...--SarekOfVulcan (talk) 19:19, 14 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment: Isn't that very WP:CRYSTAL-ish? -- Gmatsuda (talk) 20:23, 14 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • Strong Keep: Asking to have a page deleted when it has all been clearly cited and it will only be recreated in a couple days is ridiculous. I think this was placed frivolously and without being looked into seriously. There is so much information relating to the show that it is clearly not speculative, it is not WP:CRYSTAL, it's not purely promotional, as was stated. It is fact, and if the information is not varied enough as was placed on the page earlier and removed by me, fine. More references can be provided. But to delete it all together is pointless.--EmperorofPeopleEverywhere (talk) 20:50, 14 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment: If am article with the same content is deleted per an AfD, it will be speedy deleted. -- Gmatsuda (talk) 20:54, 14 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment: It has come to light that the reason this page was listed for deletion was because a different editor Dev 103 copied the pages format, table, and then called it something else before it was subsequently cleaned up and fixed. That show should not take away from this actual show and its actual date of actual premiere. Whether or not this For The Love of Ray J is going to be formatted the same way is something I don't know about or care, but deleting the original on baseless claims that it is promotional is simply not true.--EmperorofPeopleEverywhere (talk) 01:48, 15 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
    • Keep. The show is premeing in less then 3 weeks so why is this being considered for deletion. Then is no point why if everything is refrenced then there is NO point of being deleted now. It will be back up in three weeks so why would you delete it and then your going to have people who worked hard on that page. so please reconsider and change your mind. ––Spiderman2351 (talk) 04:19, 15 January 2009 (UTC)Spiderman2351[reply]
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The result was merge to Digital art. MBisanz talk 03:20, 19 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Digital artist[edit]

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An anonymous IP on the talk page said it quite well: "What is a digital artist? There is no such defenition. An artist is an artist. He or she isn't digital at all." The term is vague and not a de facto term by any stretch of the imagination. The page contains several arbitrary examples (gallery) of art which was conceived digitally, more of which is boundless on the internet. There are no inline citations, either. ←Spidern→ 17:18, 14 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose. Standard term, in common use, and well established within the digital arts community. Measles (talk) 18:02, 14 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Supposing the term is in fact standard, does the page do it justice? ←Spidern→ 18:21, 14 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
not the issue, it's a start, we'll get around to it. Measles (talk) 18:39, 14 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Only reason I ask is because I'm trying to focus mainly on the content of the page, rather than the term itself. The question remains that even if it's an industry standard term, does enough secondary sourcing exist to merit mention in an encyclopedia, or is it worthy only of a Wiktionary mention? ←Spidern→ 19:43, 14 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
yes, there is, and I'm suprised there is no evidence of it on the page, here is an idea what's out there in the mainstream press, there is also a research based digital art scene, and many of the individuals in that sphere refer to themselves as digital artists in the broader sense of the definition. Measles (talk) 21:42, 14 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
one reason why merging might not serve this, is that the Digital art article appears to deal specifically with computer generated visual art, but that is not the sole domain of expression in the digital arts. Measles (talk) 22:14, 14 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Yes, but the lead paragraph of the Digital Art article does say that the term can be more broadly understood. So, that's the article to work on.--Ethicoaestheticist (talk) 22:46, 14 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was redirect to Baron Schwartz. MBisanz talk 03:20, 19 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Maatkit[edit]

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Page recreated as a contested PROD[12] in DRV. Moving to AfD as a combination of the DRV decision and that I do not feel that this page meets notability requirements. Usrnme h8er (talk) 16:12, 14 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

  • Delete. Nno-notable software not in wide use. Folks, there is a TON of great Open Source Software out there that just doesn't make the notability / user base grade. Maybe someday, but that day is not today. Proxy User (talk) 17:08, 14 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • Strong Keep- Maatkit (formerly MySQL Toolkit) is indispensable for any MySQL DBA (think of the weapons rack in the Matrix) the creator of mysqlsla has joined Baron and it is under heavy development backed by Percona -- Serfdog 11:05, 16 January 2009 (UTC)— Serfdog (talk • contribs) has made few or no other edits outside this topic. [reply]
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The result was delete. MBisanz talk 03:22, 19 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Evgenia Diordiychuk[edit]

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Fails WP:PORNBIO. Google search provides no further sources of notability. decltype 16:06, 14 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. MBisanz talk 03:22, 19 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

...Short Strut to the Brassy Front[edit]

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NN album; five pages of ghits returned pretty much only sales sites and user-generated content. roux   08:01, 25 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was Nomination withdrawn. Nick-D (talk) 22:53, 17 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

696th Information Warfare Wing[edit]

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This was a proposed USAF information warfare unit that was to be activated, before a policy change regarding the new Air Force Cyber Command meant the unit was not, actually, ever formed. Remaining information can be placed if necessary at Air Force Cyber Command and Air Force Information Operations Center. Buckshot06(prof) 18:00, 5 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I don't mind, but I'm not sure that Jimbo Wales won't smote you with a lightning bolt. Ryan4314 (talk) 14:32, 17 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was delete. MBisanz talk 03:23, 19 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Aaron Stewart[edit]

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Does not state why player is notable. Only two lines. Was nominated for PROD before but author removed template. Cssiitcic (talk) 21:23, 9 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

The fact that it is on that template only means that it is the highest level league in its particular country. "Top level" in that context doesn't mean it's ranked as one of the best leagues in Europe or anything like that (in fact UEFA ranks it only as the 46th best league in Europe, behind such awesome footballing powers as Albania and Cyprus, and only two places above the Faroe Islands!). The criterion is clearly set out in WP:ATHLETE - the league has to be fully professional (i.e. not include players who are only part-time footballers with "day jobs"). This article from the IFA Premiership's own official website confirms the non-fully-professional nature of the league, with the quote "Our Premiership is what it is, a part-time league, with part-time players and largely the clubs are run by enthusiastic fans who get no financial reward." - seems fairly clear-cut to me..... -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 08:30, 16 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was keep. Per WP:SNOW and WP:NTEMP - nomination rationale is invalid as nobody can 'lose notability'. (non-admin closure) — neuro(talk) 04:15, 15 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Ahmed Fahour[edit]

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With recent restructure at NAB, Ahmed Fahour has lost notability. (see reference in National Australia Bank) Wizzzzman (talk) 20:51, 21 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete --B (talk) 14:27, 16 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

American Music Institute[edit]

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"Nothing in news or scholar searches. Can't find any reliable sources. Not apparently notable." (Moved from prod to afd) ERK talk • contribs 02:14, 23 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

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  • Weak delete Found only one newspaper article which seems to have substantial coverage [14] besides severl directory listings or "Cultural calendar" program announcements. Nothing to say it not a worthy enterprise which might garner additional coverage and reviews in the future. Edison (talk) 21:48, 14 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was delete. MBisanz talk 03:23, 19 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Andre Sneijder[edit]

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(({text))} Astral Highway (talk) 18:03, 10 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was no consensus. MBisanz talk 03:23, 19 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Ayame Ikehata[edit]

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Does not meet WP:PORN BIO Omarcheeseboro (talk) 21:11, 26 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Keep - this article has been part of WP for over a year and has not previously been marked as deleteworthy. It features a notable performer within Japanese erotic film-making. Makitomoda (talk) 21:58, 26 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete Doesn't meet WP:PORNBIO. Epbr123 (talk) 22:39, 26 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]
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  • Neutral I have left my opinion on the invalidity of Wikipedia's home-made, Original Research generated "notability" criteria HERE. And I believe they are particularly invalid in relation to subjects which fall outside the interest and knowledge of the average Wikipedian editor demographic. So, disregarding the home-cooked WP:PORNBIO, what do reliable, secondary sources say about Japanese erotic entertainment? First: Erotic entertainers such as Ikehata have a much higher profile (i.e., are more "notable") within Japanese society than are their U.S. counterparts. In The Australian Journal of Media & Culture, Rosemary Iwamura wrote, "In Japan there is not the same line drawn between pornography and family entertainment that there is in the West. Here in Japan, a more liberated view about sex blurs that line."[15] So, has Ikehata appeared in mainstream Japanese media? Highly likely, but the policy of the Japanese media of constantly removing good sources from the web, and blocking their archiving, makes this extremely difficult to prove. Second, a reliable, secondary source says that an "average" Japanese AV actress' career lasts one year at most, and produces between five and ten videos in that time. [16] Ikehata performs in the specialty jukujo (熟女) "mature woman" niche, which probably limits the demand for her performance in videos-- but I find no secondary reliable source on the jukujo average. I find in sources such as THIS, that Ikehata has appeared in about two dozen AVs between 2004 and 2008 (she appears to be currently active). About half of these are compilation re-issues of previous performances, but her first appearance-- 2004-- and her last new appearance-- in 2008-- do show an above-average career time-span. However I do not see that she has been any more prolific than the average Japanese AV actress. Consequently, based on comparisons to the Japanese AV average, I believe she is just border-line between notable and non-notable. So, unless someone can come up with evidence to tip the scale one way or the other, I !vote Neutral. Dekkappai (talk)
    • Strong Keep Changing !vote. According to AV-channel.com, a major retailer in Japan, Ikehata's video Step-Mother's Masochistic Juice 7 (義母のM汁7, Gibo no M-shiru 7)　was the #1-ranked SM video for the year of 2006[17], and still remained a top-seller, at #40 for 2007[18]. This firmly tips the scale, in my mind, to Keep. Specifically, in relation to the SM/incest genre, it satisfies WP:PORNBIO: "Has made unique contributions to a specific pornographic genre, such as beginning a trend in pornography, or starring in an iconic, groundbreaking or blockbuster feature." Dekkappai (talk) 22:09, 14 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was keep. The Nordic Goddess Kristen Worship her 01:03, 18 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Azerbaijan National Guard[edit]

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Unreferenced stub. Neither CIA World Fact Book nor Jane's World Armies lists this organisation. No evidence given that it actually exists. Buckshot06(prof) 22:27, 5 January 2009 (UTC) (categories)[reply]

Question: Buckshot, how do you feel about the article now? Are you happy this organization at least exists? Ryan4314 (talk) 23:25, 14 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Yes, it's much better. But should we upmerge it? Buckshot06(prof) 18:19, 16 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
That's a good idea, wait until the AFD's over and be bold. Trying to contact all these people on a whether or not it should be merged will be a nightmare, besides your merge can always be reverted if someone disagrees. Ryan4314 (talk) 19:00, 16 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
FWIW, I'd be against a merge. This is a separate entity with a separate identity from the branches of the Azerbaijani military, that is independently notable. We wouldn't merge the US National Guard or the US Army Reserves with the US Armed Forces, and we shouldn't merge this article. --Friejose (talk) 21:01, 17 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep - I have added a source to show it is real but probably suffers from non-english sources. The fact the article is only a stub and has little content! shouldnt cause its deletion. MilborneOne (talk) 22:58, 5 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Comment: if it exists, by all means we should keep it, but we need verifiable sources saying so. I saw that particular website last week. The fact remains it is a website of the Special State Protective Service headlined 'Export Oil and Gas Pipelines Security Department,' and refers to the National Guard being active in 1991-92. We cannot keep the article's current text based on that; we'd have to re-write it completely along the lines of 'the AZANG was a reserve unit in 1991-92' or something. We need material backing up that it is the Az reserve today or we have to completely rewrite or upmerge this stub, and if there is no better material provided within 10 days I think that's what we should do. Buckshot06(prof) 23:14, 5 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Update: I added a ref that should eliminate referencing and notability concerns from Heydar Aliyev's presidential library website. Follow the link, and, if you read Russian or use the Google translator function like me, you'll see primary source documentation of the existence and relevance of the ANG. --Friejose (talk) 22:36, 14 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was delete. MBisanz talk 03:25, 19 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Charles J Compton of essex[edit]

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Delete. There is nothing in this article to confirm notability and a Gogle search produced no mention of this man. Boleyn (talk) 11:23, 20 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. MBisanz talk 03:25, 19 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Chris DiSalvatore[edit]

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Unnotable everyday person whose only claim to fame was to boast he was listed in a Marquis Who's Who volume, and whose original author (who may have created this iteration of the article under a new account) was warned for inserting libelous information about WFLA-TV personalities; this page was subsequently A7'ed on September 10, 2008 after its discovery, but here it is in recreated form. I would also not doubt WP:COPYVIO applies here. Nate • (chatter) 10:33, 6 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

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  • Weak delete. I don't think we're going to create articles on all 100,000 people listed in this source, and this person doesn't seem to stand above the rest in terms of notability. Marquis Who's Who seems to be geared more towards inclusivity than selecting only those people who are important for some reason or another. JulesH (talk) 16:27, 14 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • Weak keep or at least properly investigate. The various publications differ in their standards. WW in Science and Engineering, and the regional WWs, are pretty low; WW in the World is usually about people who do turn out to be notable if looked at. DGG (talk) 00:52, 15 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was delete. MBisanz talk 03:26, 19 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Creepin' (Solo)[edit]

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Non-notable single that is only for free download from Chamillionaire and has not even charted. Dboy94 (talk) 18:15, 29 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was no consensus. MBisanz talk 03:26, 19 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Dark and Shattered Lands[edit]

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  • Strong keep meets all notability requirements. travb (talk) 20:59, 14 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment. It lacks verification, the only reference proves a website lets people vote, votes which are easily skewed by vote stuffing thus making it not a reliable award or rank. "Chosen Game of the Month by MudMagic in September 2006" could possibly be notable if we knew something about the magazine/website. What notability criteria do you think it meets specifically, because the lack of verification means I can't really find any at all. - Mgm|(talk) 00:59, 15 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep and expand. An award by popular vote is a perfectly valid way of giving awards and showing notability. DGG (talk) 01:25, 15 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
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  • Speedy keep as an improper nomination. This article was nominated for AFD by an IP as shown here, with this deletion discussion page created by someone who happened to have seen the AFD tag on the article. No opinion in regards of notability of the article. MuZemike 02:28, 15 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete - vote-button / click-voting is a particularly unreliable, and no indication of importance whatsoever. I'm open to changing to keep if someone can show something along the lines of WP:GNG. Marasmusine (talk) 23:44, 16 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • Weak keep per the discussion on the talk page that at least one editor is interested in adding sources. The deletion process also has not been handled correctly. The first step is adding the request for sources template, which I just did. If the article still isn't properly referenced in a couple of months deletion might be in order. --Scandum (talk) 03:35, 17 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was no consensus. MBisanz talk 03:27, 19 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Daybreak Pacific[edit]

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I can't find any reliable sources that show notability. Fails WP:CORP. Schuym1 (talk) 15:21, 31 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

  • Delete or Userfy per nom. I can't find any sources for this company. -- MISTER ALCOHOL T C 04:20, 2 January 2009 (UTC)
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Comment: Unless there are other reasons (like awards or notable events) to keep the article, the requirement is multiple reliable indepedent sources. One isn't enough. Any more? - Mgm|(talk) 00:53, 15 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Comment: incorrect, WP:NOTE states "Multiple sources are generally preferred". Besides there are multiple sources, just not in depth. [22][23]. XLerate (talk) 01:33, 15 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was no consensus. MBisanz talk 03:27, 19 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Empty nose syndrome[edit]

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I would like to delete this article on the grounds of the subject itself (ENS) being too poorly explained, defined and researched in the medical literature. It's also a highly controversial topic.

I am the original author of this article. I used the name than "Allon A", but soon after changed it to "Rock2000". Under the latter name I am the main and almost sole contributor to this article. I have been trying for years now to define it properly. But after much discussion with ENT specialists and after scanning the medical literature on the nose - I have understood that it is a highly controversial, misunderstood, non-researched and undefined topic.

I am a post radical turbinectomy sufferer myself, so being able to define a proper universal syndrome which represents my symptoms and others has been very important for me and this is why I began this article. But after 2 and a half years and much effort to investigate this problem - I have reached the conclusion that aside from chronic "nasal dryness" which appears in Wikipedia in other articles (like "atrophic rhinitis") there doesn't seem to be a way to trully distinguish and define this post-surgical complication. The symptoms are terribly variable and hardly repeat themselves among sufferers, and it is not clear what triggers what.

I have to recognize that currently it is not defined and agreed upon sufficiently in the medical literature in such a way which deserves an article article in Wikipedia.

There is currently only one doctor (Steven Houser) that believes that it is defineable and engages in some sort of research to try and define it. I have been in direct contact with him and he too admits that up to now he is not sure if it can be defined as a seperate entity.

Please endorse my request to delete this article. (I know that the citations I listed are impressive, yet most of them warn against extensive turbinectomies. Those authors who attempt to define ENS do so out of their private opinion which is based on their impression as clinicians but not on properly controlled and validated scientific research.)

Thank you.

— Preceding unsigned comment added by Rock2000 (talk • contribs) 2008-12-28 11:52:13

  • Note from what I have read of the article and of "related articles" --- this one does seem to be valuable and valid for entry from both a logical and (At minimal) a well founded exploratory basis. While perhaps addition of an entry at the top which gives a typical "disclaimer" could be seen as needed to invoke usual cautionaries in use of information in stating that this is written from personal experience and perspective; this, as written and open to further edit, looks to be well done even as a personalized entry as the originating author states (below). Again, perhaps a disclaimer within the section of "external links" could be of "good and fair" service.

    On my personal experiences, we can too quickly and too often disregard good logic of that which happens to be based partly in personal experience. Not to compare, but a large part of what is sometimes missing in medical review is some humble humility and arriving at applicable medical logic for both discovery and potential for solutions and good treatment through our "personal experiences" being approached with furthered scientific endeavor to arrive at good and solid evidence to be applied to complex systems such as evidenced in anatomy and illness interactions. While, I have not read all articles cited and have not been formally trained in fields of medical science... this looks to be well deserving of further or continued publication. Terminology such as "mean onset" shows referenced studies give potential evidence of this article being within "normal" bounds of credible research that can likely stand well to add qualitatively to the "human experience" of our sharing commonalities even through citations on our unique human chemistries and experiences.

    Note, my personal interest is within a potentially related experience with years of conditions caused not by potential resulting from turbinectomies or conchotomies - yet, with an internal and systemic exposure to poison ivy. Briefly, a relatively substantial amount of poison ivy (rhus tox) oil was taken into blood stream through (many) fresh open skin wounds. For years, the ivy oil caused conditions and damage to internal tissues such as (yet not limited to) muscle/bone joints and mucus membranes. The referenced material in this article could guide thru a potential furthered healing through potential in its explaining some interactions of the body's health-maintaining structures, mechanisms and interactions. This may help my personal experience in that chronic symptoms seen in the throat, sinus & mucus regulation (etc.) could benefit from what is written here in the ENS article. While I found this ENS article thru a seemingly unrelated link; and, while the name ENS seems maybe too simplified, this article may fit well if for no other purpose for branching into the related more "accepted" fields. Knowledge and thoughtful consideration for use of knowledge as seen here is power that should apply well to the health of "the human experience." Hope expression in applying for deletion will be reconsidered.

    ---- —Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.182.71.102 (talk) 19:25, 28 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

  • Speedy keep This is a ridiculous request. Even I questioned its notability long ago, but it is a verified medical syndrome. The article is a POS mess, needs lots of work, and is essentially useless, but it is a real syndrome. Can someone just speedy keep this thing, and we can move on? OrangeMarlin Talk• Contributions 00:06, 29 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep Even if this is discredited is pseudoscience or quackery it is still notable. Should we delete Phrenology too?--Ted-m (talk) 18:29, 2 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • so are you two happy with it then? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Rock2000 (talk • contribs) 13:58, 1 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • This is definitely not pseudoscience or quackery. It's a very real but complicated issue which is acknowledged by the rhinological community as an iatrogenic problem. But it is very difficult to define, so after many attempts I guess I just gave up. Perhaps I am wrong to give up, so I guess I'm really seeking your opinion for confidence of whether to prsue with this or not... —Preceding unsigned comment added by Rock2000 (talk • contribs) 20:39, 2 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep It needs work, for sure, but it's notable and important enough that deleting the article would be a disservice to Wikipedia readers. My advice is that if it's something controversial, why not get conflicting opinions equally represented on the article? --coldacid (talk|contrib) 18:30, 6 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete - I still think that it needs to be deleted. I am the one who began this article and built it up over the years. At the time it seemed like the understanding of this iatrogenic problem will grow as more research will be published. However, as this is a iatrogenic problem - doctors seem more interested in simply preventing it than explaining it. You can't open an article in Wikipedia for every problem that occurs from a bodily accident or from medical mal practice of over resection of some part of the body. Under the same token would you justify an article called "Empty Mouth Syndrome" - to depict a mouth that had it's teeth knocked out by mistake?...

    There was one article in 2001 that claimed that over resetion of the turbinates causes a disease known as "atrophic rhinitis" but this disease has already an article in Wikipedia and in any case it was found to be wrong as it does not cause atrophic rhinitis. Therefore, with all the regret I have over all the time I invested in building up this article, I have to be honest enough to myself and to Wikipedia readers and ask that it will be deleted.

    Perhaps in the future, if more research will be published that verifies it as an independent syndrome/disease which is not only iatrogenic and has a clear diagnosis I will, or others, write up a better, more accurate and improved article. For now I believe it is a misservice to keep it presented. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Rock2000 (talk • contribs) 15:31, 9 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

    • Comment Although you seem to feel some regret over having started this article, this can be the same vehicle for alerting people to what you've just stated -- that other studies suggest that there is no basis to this so-called "syndrome". Whether this is deleted or not, people will still be hearing about "empty nose syndrome" and will still be entering it as a search term, and finding hundreds of sites. One reason that people come to Wikipedia is in the hope of finding the most up to date information in the quickest way, and to at least have an idea about what other links they should be looking at. Mandsford (talk) 22:45, 14 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • I'd like to bring up a concern that DGG brought up in the last AfD - I think it's still relevant here. Is the term "empty nose syndrome" in wide use in the medical community or is it a neologism? Has the medical community accepted its classification as a "syndrome" or is it a loose collection of symptoms that one or two researchers decided to name? Graymornings(talk) 00:34, 15 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete This is a cross between OR and promotion. "There is very little research published about this syndrome," to quote from the article, is the sort of phrase that is a giveaway. What we should at least have done after the first AfD is edited it very drastically--but the recent month has seen a major expansion of the inappropriately detailed and over-emphasized content. An indication of the true promotional nature of the article can best be seen from the external links. DGG (talk) 01:33, 15 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep Notable and verifiable syndrome as evidenced by a Google Scholar search. AfD is not the appropriate venue for cleaning up an article. -Atmoz (talk) 19:06, 15 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was speedy delete by Orangemike per WP:CSD#A3 (no content). —David Eppstein (talk) 07:03, 15 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Frank Conway[edit]

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Empty content - was originally entered as a bogus redirect to Monk (TV Series) by an anonymous user three years ago with no further action on the article. --claygate (talk) 18:30, 5 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was nomination withdrawn. I thank those few that participated constructively, but the rest of this AfD was a complete joke. Grsz11 05:59, 12 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Michael Z. Williamson[edit]

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Non-notable author with little or no third-party coverage. Also nominating his non-notable books. Grsz11 17:41, 10 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

  • Freehold (novel)
  • Freehold War
  • 'Keep the author Multiple books in hundreds of worldcat libraries, published by the major publishers in his subject. [24] We need to look, but there are probably reviews for all or most of them. I see a few in Google News Archive, but not all of them are really independent, substantial, and from RSs. As for Freehold, it seems like The hero by John Ringo & Michael Z Williamson, 2004 is is book most widely held in libraries. For Freehold, and Freehold war it would depend entirely on the reviews. If borderline, merge the novel into the article for series. . DGG (talk) 18:38, 10 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep I don't like Michael Z. Williamson, I think he's a right wing reactionary nut... but I know who he is despite the fact that I am only vaguely involved with the survivalist movement (which he is very involved in) and don't read his books (I did however discover one of them in my basement last night purely by chance... it wasn't very good as I recall). Like I said, not my cup of tea but absolutely notable enough to justify an article. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Logic11 (talk • contribs) - — Logic11 (talk • contribs) has made few or no other edits outside this topic.
  • Strong Keep - It is absurd to delete this biography as "non-notable". Clearly, Williamson is a quite notable and well-established sci-fi writer with 10+ books in print. His books are hardly the marginal vanity house titles that usually inspire "nn" AFDs -- rather they have been published by DAW, TOR Books, and Avon Books--all big name publishers. His books have collectively had hundreds of reviews on Amazon, and most have 4 and 5 star ratings. (See: http://www.amazon.com) What standard of notability are you applying, Mr. "Grsz"? (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Grsz11) Please explain to me how Mr. Williamson is LESS notable than the LEAST NOTABLE Pittsburgh hockey player for whom you've written a biography. And meanwhile, please explain to me how Mr. Williamson is LESS notable than the "Scrubs" episode titled "My Manhood" (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/My_Manhood), which you considered notable enough to write a wiki article about. Trasel (talk) 18:50, 10 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Ha, attacks are really the way to go. Grsz11 19:03, 10 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]
That was merely a relevant observation, not an attack. OBTW, Looking back through your edit log, I can see that you dropped the AFD bomb on Mr. Willianson's page less than 10 minutes after you and he had a disagreement over an edit at the Barack Obama page. Is that the "way to go"? Trasel (talk) 19:55, 10 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Again, this page is only for discussion of the article nominated for deletion. If you have a problem, take it up somewhere else, but please stop bombarding this page with your personal attacks. Grsz11 20:00, 10 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Your posting of this AFD in apparent retaliation for the subject's disagreement with you on another article page is entirely relevant: if that's the only reason the article should be deleted, then this discussion is a waste of everyone's time. -- Jay Maynard (talk) 21:21, 11 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]
If you could point to said disagreement ... I'm pretty sure the community doesn't consider every undo a user performs a "disagreement" Grsz11 00:31, 12 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]
That is a fair point, but what about any of these reviews, that I found in just a couple of minutes of Google searching:
http://www.sfreviews.net/freehold.html
http://www.qando.net/details.aspx?Entry=3480
http://www.sfsite.com/12a/fr189.htm
https://thementalmilitia.com/forums/index.php?PHPSESSID=590ea6c610b2b2dca8a4195d718c75d8&topic=19508.msg246726
And I'm sure there are more reviews in hard copy publications. This doesn't sound like "little or no third-party coverage" to me... Trasel (talk) 21:36, 10 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]
How are any of those cites reliable? San Francisco Chronicle reviews? Grsz11 21:40, 10 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Ahem.... In those instances, SF stands for "Science Fiction", not "San Francisco". Trasel (talk) 21:49, 10 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Oh ok, even less reliable. But the point remains, are there reviews from reliable sources such as newspapers, etc. Grsz11 21:51, 10 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Oh, grow up. The guy is an established author published by an established house. Keep him, of course. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Flight-ER-Doc (talk • contribs) 02:19, 11 December 2008 (UTC) — Flight-ER-Doc (talk • contribs) has made few or no other edits outside this topic. [reply]
  • Keep - the author has sold many books to major commercial publishers, and many of these books have been reviewed by solid professional science-fiction reviewers. In addition to the previously mentioned reviews on sfreviews.net, qando.net, and sfsite.com, I found one more: http://www.sfrevu.com/php/Review-id.php?id=5517 . All of these sites are commercial, professionally run, and well known within the science-fiction book market. It isn't reasonable to insist on newspaper reviews of science fiction, much less military science fiction, for two reasons: newspapers review only a miniscule fraction of published science fiction, and science-fiction readers do not make buying decisions based on newspaper reviews. The fact that Williamson has been selling books reliably for many years is sufficient reason to keep his page on Wikipedia. 67.164.125.7 (talk) 07:03, 11 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Dont remove this article. It is a notable person who I know to be a great guy. I've seen really stupid pages on Wikipedia, why not keep good content? Thomas Gooch (talk) 03:42, 11 December 2008 (UTC) - — Thomas Gooch (talk • contribs) has made few or no other edits outside this topic. [reply]

I agree that there are rather poor articles out there, but simply because they exist or because you like the subject doesn't make this article notable or worthy of a keep. Grsz11 05:44, 11 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Keep: Not only is the author very well established, he has written far more meaningful and noteworthy material than some of the other pages the complaintant has written themself.User:Cordova829 — Cordova829 (talk • contribs) has made few or no other edits outside this topic.

Please, the ad hominem attacks are pathetic and just show that you're unable to formulate a respectable argument. Grsz11 15:09, 11 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]
You're entire argument for the deletion of the argument, by using the "non notable" label, has been based on ad hominem attacks. The author's article should not be deleted. My attack was uncalled for, but then again so was your attack upon the author. End of argument. User:Cordova829 —Preceding undated comment was added at 01:34, 12 December 2008 (UTC).[reply]
By that logic, every AfD on a biography is an attack on its subject. Grsz11 01:41, 12 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Keep: Can't really understand what the issue is. The guy's a recognized published author with a following of fans. Wikipedia would be incomplete without these types of bios on the site. ShallCarry (talk) 15:56, 11 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Keep: OGMAFB. The guy's a serious SF and military fiction author, published by the biggest publisher of SF around, Baen Books; his military fiction is published by a thoroughly mainstream publisher, Avon Books. Is there anyone besides the submitter who thinks this doesn't count for notability? -- Jay Maynard (talk) 21:21, 11 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

This is a multi-published author. Six or seven books, and one more in the works that already has prospective buyers queing up. These facts should resoundingly equate to a -- KEEP -- . Subjectively, I'd like you to keep him, too. I like his stuff. Duwe6 —Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.139.38.210 (talk) 00:21, 12 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Strong Keep: The dude's published books with major publishers. That alone makes him notable enough to retain. This whole affair seems more like a personal attack than a reasoned argument to delete, IMO. Sturmvogel 66 (talk) 05:44, 12 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was merge to Lowry Park Zoo. MBisanz talk 03:29, 19 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Gator Falls[edit]

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Non-notable ride Zeng8r (talk) 05:19, 22 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

  • delete/mergeI know Gator Falls well - my daughter insists on riding it every time we're at Lowry Park Zoo. However, there's absolutely nothing special about it. While I'm in favor of saving as many articles as possible, this one just doesn't qualify as notable any more than any of the other standard-issue rides at the zoo. Flying banana ride entry, anyone? Zeng8r (talk) 05:15, 22 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]
addendum The ride and the white alligators should be mentioned in the main Lowry Park Zoo article, but not in its own entry. The only media attention it's ever received - even in Tampa - was when it first opened, and that was mainly because it had mechanical issues and the grand opening was delayed at the last minute. It's simply not notable. Zeng8r (talk) 01:14, 30 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

*Keep The article offers RS on the noteworthy nature of the ride, including the rare albino alligators. Shawn in Montreal (talk) 00:28, 30 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was no consensus. MBisanz talk 03:28, 19 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Haunts (band)[edit]

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Band with no major recordings and no major national tour. Fails WP:MUSIC Ldpeep (talk) 13:58, 9 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. MBisanz talk 03:28, 19 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

How Do You? (Song)[edit]

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It does not cite any references nor does it cite any reason for notability. It should be deleted--Zsm148student (talk) 20:37, 10 January 2009 (UTC)Zsm148student[reply]

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The result was Speedied by Aude as vandalism (G3). - Mgm|(talk) 00:49, 15 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I Love Money Kids[edit]

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Appears to be user-created fan spinoff production that hasn't even been made yet. Article doesn't assert notability of subject. Ubcule (talk) 23:35, 9 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was no consensus. MBisanz talk 03:32, 19 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Joy Whitlock[edit]

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Non-notable CCM artist. No charting, no indication this meets WP:MUSIC. Just the usual collection of official site and Myspace links. Blueboy96 20:31, 24 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I am also nominating the following albums for deletion as well:

The Fake EP (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views)
God and a Girl (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views)

Note that while God and a Girl has two reviews listed, I'm not convinced that the second reviewer is a reliable source. Blueboy96 20:49, 24 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

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  • Keep, not only for the ref's P.E. supplied, but also for the existing ones in the God and a Girl article. In the context of Christian music, Jesus Freak Hideout is considered a reliable source (per previous AfD's), how ever here's one from Allmusic anyhow. Of the 2 albums, one was released on Ardent Records and the other on Columbia Records, so that passes WP:MUSIC#C5. The Fake EP though should be merged since there is only 1 review, unless someone can fins any more on it.  Esradekan Gibb  "Talk" 05:29, 15 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was speedy keep. Cursory Google search confirms she's a bestseller according to two notable publications. Improper nomination. No valid reason found. Mgm|(talk) 00:45, 15 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Karen Chance[edit]

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KEEP: Just the Information I need when I am looking up authors! —Preceding unsigned comment added by Thomasmoruss (talk • contribs) 2009/01/08 22:21:53 — Thomasmoruss (talk • contribs) has made few or no other edits outside this topic.

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The result was no consensus. MBisanz talk 03:31, 19 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Ken Binns[edit]

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Delete as it seems that this article has nothing about it and that their notablility is minimal. There isn't much information on this person either. Koshoes (talk) 20:03, 10 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Keep Athlete has competed at fully professional level and/or the highest ameture level of the sport. Athlete has won or placed highly in prestigous competitions in their sport. Secondary sources almost surely exist in print from 1960-70's. AfD hero (talk) 03:22, 15 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep While it needs sourcing, the article makes multiple claims of participation at the highest level of the sport, which clearly meets the guidelines of notability on athletes. Edward321 (talk) 03:32, 15 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Ah, but you 2 don't notice how much content there is. I made one with all the content, all the sources, all the notability, yet it still GOT DELETED! Barely any notability, and for that reason, I'm changing the tag. Koshoes (talk) 19:14, 15 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

In the current atmosphere of AfD's I wouldn't be surprised if your article got wrongly deleted, but that's not a reason to take it out on this article. AfD hero (talk) 02:06, 16 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I'm not. But barely any notability, no content, no links. Come on! Koshoes (talk) 07:37, 16 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

He has a point. Weak Delete. M1N (talk) 16:41, 16 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Keep. His achievements in top-level hardball squash, which was a major professional sport in North America in the 1960s and 70s when Binns was active, make him significant. He was runner-up at what was then the sport's most prestigious competition, the North American Open (now known as the US Open), and deleting the page would make him the only player without a wikilink at the United States Open (squash) page, which lists all finalists going back to 1954. His reaching the championship final can be verified at this webpage. Zaxem (talk) 20:31, 16 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was Keep per WP:SNOW. (NAC) --J.Mundo (talk) 19:55, 15 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

List of cooperative games for the Xbox 360[edit]

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Article appears to be a composite of games that fit into Category:Cooperative video games as well as List of Xbox 360 games. Proper usage of the Coop and 360 categories when creating articles renders this article unneccesary. -- TRTX T / C 00:55, 4 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

  • I am also nominating the following related pages because they fall under the same situation. A list article is simply repeating the info already available through the usage of the Xbox 360 games category:
List of Xbox 360 games (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) -- TRTX T / C 01:01, 4 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep - At first I thought the move idea discussed above sounded good but as Kreider and Jtle515 point out there are man different possible implementations of co-op gameplay which would make inclusion in a complete table of games problematic. Raitchison (talk) 16:27, 14 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Note - I threw together a quick and dirty table on the article's Talk Page but I think it could be better, perhaps someone wants to take a crack at improving it before we implement in the article. Raitchison (talk) 17:12, 14 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • Strong keep someone should explain to the nominator what a merge tag is: ((Merge|)) and how to use it. this is the wrong forum to suggest an article me merged. travb (talk) 21:19, 14 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was no consensus. MBisanz talk 03:36, 19 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Marina Izola[edit]

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See talkpage of the article DaSch (talk) 20:05, 16 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. MBisanz talk 03:36, 19 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Marques stevenson[edit]

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NN athlete: references appear to be the same recruitment press release, no information is presented. OliverTwisted (Talk) (Stuff) 07:56, 25 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Believe me, I understand that's how you interpret the policy. but that view has been soundly rejected many times. If a college football, baseball, or basketball player gets coverage in reliable sources, then they get in under standard notability requirements, see Colt McCoy, Mike Minor, and Stephen Curry. But not under WP:ATHLETE: that standard is limited to professional football, baseball, and basketball players. Many of them get an article although they do not meet the larger guidelines, see Kerry Cash, Jerry Browne, and Richard Rellford.
By and large, in the pros, most of the articles are good articles and there are fewer pro stubs like the last three players I listed. To open WP:ATHLETE to all college football and baseball players would flip that on its head: most of the articles would be stubs like the last three and there would be fewer good articles. So the good articles still get in this way under, but under WP:N, not WP:ATHLETE.--2008Olympianchitchat 06:34, 16 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
"Soundly rejected" and that rejection has been soundly rejected many times by many others, specifically with reference to college football. You might want to go look at the recent discussions (beware-it's a book of heated discussion!) on amateur status and WP:ATHLETE. Anyway, 1) I'm not opening up WP:ATHLETE to all college football players, we're talking about this one; 2) I admit (again) that the article is weak, but I'd still like to see it stick around and potentially be improved by an enthusiastic editor, 3) WP:ATHLETE is a guideline, not a policy.--Paul McDonald (talk) 19:32, 16 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Yeah, I was there, I started the most recent discussion. Anyone who wants can read the discussion and see that your view, despite your essays to the contrary, were rejected. The result was that highest level of amateur sports was specifically amended to state that it referred to the Olympics and World Championships. That means not college sports.--2008Olympianchitchat 07:54, 17 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Last I read, it said "usually means Olypics or world championshiops" ... care to point me to the Olympic American Football page or the World Championship of Amateur American Football page?--Paul McDonald (talk) 01:00, 19 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Nope, but I will point you to the first clause, which requires participation in a fully professional league. And I note that you won't touch college basketball players under your interpretation of the guideline. As I said before, your interpretation has been rejected many times, most recently here.--2008Olympianchitchat 02:19, 19 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was keep. The Nordic Goddess Kristen Worship her 22:28, 17 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Mir:ror[edit]

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This RFID reader has only existed for a short while, and may not have achieved sufficient notability for inclusion. The article may serve a primary purpose of promoting the item instead of describing it in encyclopedic terms, whether or not that was the intention of the author. Richard Cavell (talk) 15:05, 24 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

delete I am inclined to agree with the assessment that it has not achieved sufficient notability for inclusion in Wikipedia after a Google search. Jason Quinn (talk) 20:59, 24 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]
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Keep If TikiTag (which I started/did a lot of work on) can be brought to a more acceptable state, than Mirror can be also. --Christopher Kraus (talk) 00:03, 31 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was keep, almost snow keep. Even if DumbBOT completed this AfD only yesterday, the third-party coverage is so significant that anything but keeping is unlikely. – sgeureka t•c 14:31, 15 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Nina's Hair Parlour[edit]

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I found this just a few minutes ago and thought that this article should be deleted because its non-noticable and its just a load of garbage.--Pookeo9 (talk) 19:53, 19 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

  • Keep. Obviously. A very famous place, certainly the most renowned hairdressing parlour in the UK if not among one of the most famous in the world. In fact, the staff are becoming so well known that they'll probably warrant their own pages soon. There was a huge article on barber Mark McCarthy in Bizarre magazine last year. Tris2000 (talk) 16:16, 14 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
    • Comment Oh one thing that should be changed, though: remove the hyperlink to the parlour's website at the start of the article, and include it in an External Links section. Tris2000 (talk) 16:19, 14 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep - sources exist to establish notability (in spades) -- Whpq (talk) 22:05, 14 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep. Not only are there sufficient sources, the very first sentence in the article establishes notability on the spot. - Mgm|(talk) 00:37, 15 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was delete. --Malcolmxl5 (talk) 20:18, 14 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Origin of the universe according to John C. Lilly[edit]

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No sources establish this as an idea that has independent notability from that of its author. Any coherent content needs to be merged into the article on John C. Lilly, but this isn't a valid article subject. Tim Vickers (talk) 19:10, 31 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was redirect to List of Half-Life mods. (non-admin closure) — neuro(talk) 04:16, 15 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Poke646[edit]

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This seems to be a non-notable mod of a video game. A number of links to reviews are given - but at a closer look, they all originate from the same web site, and are (as far as I understand) user-generated content. The notability tag was added in October 2007. B. Wolterding (talk) 19:43, 1 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. MBisanz talk 03:37, 19 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Republican Party (United States) vice presidential candidates, 2000[edit]

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Completely unsourced and made entirely of speculation as to who may have been considered. Notable in a loose sense, but a cleaned up version would contain no information not available in other related articles. — Hysteria18 • Talk • Contributions 19:07, 30 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was keep. Per WP:SNOW. (non-admin closure) — neuro(talk) 04:17, 15 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Revenge of the Mummy (Florida)[edit]

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The article has multiple problems:

  • It does not cite any references or sources.
  • It only has one section - an overly long plot summary.
  • The important details seen in the infobox and lead are unreferenced, and therefore may not be accurate.

I believe that these strong problems make it questionable for the article to be kept. I hereby propose it for deletion. Comments?--Snowman Guy (talk) 02:17, 6 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. MBisanz talk 03:39, 19 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Rogue Gallart[edit]

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Person appears to fail all WP:Bio notability criteria. Currently works as a liaison for a local public agency. Previously worked as a minor assistant promoter at music companies. References provided offer zero coverage, only mentions his name. A search reveals nothing more. Previous Afd a year ago was a snow delete - and this doesn't appear to be an improvement — CactusWriter | needles 22:18, 6 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was keep. Per WP:SNOW. (non-admin closure) — neuro(talk) 04:18, 15 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Ruskin, Minnesota[edit]

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A7: Article about a real place, which does not assert notability. Elm-39 (talk) 17:45, 13 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

  • Note, the original nominator removed the Afd tags from the article - is this a withdrawal of the nomination? Any way, at this point, any deletion would be out of process and the discussion seems to be WP:SNOWing toward keep, would any passing admin please close this debate. I would, but I've participated... Carlossuarez46 (talk) 17:38, 14 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was G3 as blatant misinformation. How did this spend so long in afd anyway? Non admin closure. Ten Pound Hammer and his otters • (Broken clamshells • Otter chirps • HELP) 20:31, 14 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Shawty Got It[edit]

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Fails WP:MUSIC, no assertion of notability. Has not even charted. Holiday56 (talk) 04:16, 27 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. MBisanz talk 03:38, 19 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Target (game)[edit]

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NN video game by NN company. roux   22:57, 27 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

  • Comment. Not sure whether to "keep" or "delete" at this time. -- MISTER ALCOHOL T C 03:17, 2 January 2009 (UTC)
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The result was delete. MBisanz talk 03:37, 19 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Relationships in Arab tradition[edit]

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This is a short essay and original research. While it may be true and may be interesting, it requires development into a fully cited article or even a small stub, or should go pending re-creation at some point in the future. Fiddle Faddle (talk) 14:54, 14 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

It is a notable and important topic. It's just that this article isn't the right one to cover it. Northwestgnome (talk) 16:41, 17 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
That's like claiming it is a notable topic, because It's actually about Islamic Marriage... it's silly, that's not what the article mentions, and making Presumptuous compressions of the definition doesn't change the fact that actual definition and title are portraying a non-notable, and infact, non-existant generalised topic. All information on any topic acatually hidden in this short piece of meaningless text is long since available in more appropriate places, so I stand by my original comments without question. - Jimmi Hugh (talk) 18:06, 18 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was keep. MBisanz talk 03:37, 19 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

List of Tampa Bay Buccaneers starting quarterbacks[edit]

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The result was keep. MBisanz talk 03:40, 19 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Tomica Hero Rescue Fire[edit]

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  • Delete non notable future television show Mayalld (talk) 14:35, 14 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep: Info on this show has just surfaced with a URL to the first major info source and interview with the main cast. Furthermore, an offical page has been found. Fractyl (talk) 14:37, 14 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep: This is a sequel to a notable Japanese television series. The fact that it has already been featured in a third-party medium (the Mainichi is a major news distributor in Japan) means that it is notable. In fact, Mayalld, you put this page up for AFD 4 minutes after it was created.—Ryūlóng (竜龙) 21:02, 14 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • Info is a bit sparse, but even someone who doesn't think it deserves its own article yet should agree a merge to the prequel until it does is a good idea. - Mgm|(talk) 00:26, 15 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • Merge and/or redirect: notability there but not significant enough to have its own article. JamesBurns (talk) 02:27, 17 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • Note: This debate has been included in the list of Japan-related deletion discussions. -- Neier (talk) 08:18, 17 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep Having machine-translated the sources and asked around a bit, the first two appear to be very reliable sources, so this article would meet the basic notability guideline; as the show nears its premiere, more information should come out on sources of increasing reliability. Leave it for now, and if nothing seems to be pending after several weeks, then maybe a merge would be in order. Hersfold (t/a/c) 08:32, 17 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep: I don't believe a show should be called non-notable when it's the sequel to one that is, when the sources that have announced it are fine under WP:V, and when it's already steamrolling a lot of discussion among both Japanese and global fans. Per Hersfold's comment, as a user with a small bit of experience in keeping up with Japanese TV, I can guarantee more information will drop within several weeks, as Japanese news/magazines like to promote things like this (and especially tokusatsu shows) like hotcakes. Arrowned (talk) 17:07, 17 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep: per Ryulong. I would like to note that this article was created after offical reliable sources were put in(Same goes for Decade and Shinkenger) --Numyht (talk) 20:51, 17 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • Quoting from WP:CRYSTAL: Individual scheduled or expected future events should only be included if the event is notable and almost certain to take place. If preparation for the event is not already in progress, speculation about it must be well documented. This would seem to pass that guideline. The only future events we have more detailed instructions for is films, and while we don't have confirmation that principle filming has begun (which is what WP:NFF wants), if it's airing in three months enough pre-production work must have been done to look like an equivalent has been met here. Altogether, this is a keep. —Quasirandom (talk) 23:04, 17 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was delete. MBisanz talk 03:40, 19 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Vanessa Hudgens projects[edit]

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Delete. Obviously redundant with the main Vanessa Hudgens article, and nothing in this one is worth merging. MrShamrock (talk) 13:58, 14 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. MBisanz talk 03:40, 19 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Money (UK band)[edit]

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The band Money and their album First Investment are notable for three main reasons;

  • The album was produced by Chris Tsangarides, one of the UK's leading rock producers. It was his first ever production.
  • A track by Money was included on the BBC's Metal Explosion album which showcased artists from the New Wave of British Heavy Metal. Money's music was representative of the NWOBHM genre.
  • Their album was re-released in 2008 by Rock Candy Records.

Clearly, as they were recording over thirty years ago references on Google don't exist. Music and bands from the NWOBHM genre remain popular throughout the world. The band has numerous entries in published encyclopedias of rock/metal, though little on the internet. Menorcarl (talk) 16:56, 15 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. MBisanz talk 03:40, 19 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Maiya robbie[edit]

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Nonnotable musician, only claim to fame is being nominated (not winning) for best local female vocalist. Not enough per WP:MUSIC. NawlinWiki (talk) 13:24, 14 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was keep. MBisanz talk 03:40, 19 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

July Systems[edit]

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Has been tagged since October but still no external references or links to denote notability. The whole article is really just one big promotion piece. HighKing (talk) 13:18, 14 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Comment - Actually, none of the articles you've pointed out show that the company is notable. The articles you've found are actually all promotional pieces initiated by the company itself. Take a closer look at those articles .. you'll probably agree that it fails WP:CORP I'm afraid... --HighKing (talk) 12:00, 15 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
In what way are they "initiated by the company"? Gr1st (talk) 19:45, 15 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Well, the first two are obviously press releases, written and released by the company to announce a launch (company, product). Both press releases are written as promotional - pretty standard stuff. The last one is a press release announcing that they'd received funding - again not anything notable and initiated by the company themselves. --HighKing (talk) 21:45, 15 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
None of these are press releases. A press release is a self-published source. The above are legitimate stories written by the staff of high-quality newspapers. They are reliable sources and there is nothing to suggest that they are not 100% independent of the subject. I'm still waiting to see a scrap of evidence that these were "initiated by the company". Gr1st (talk) 22:34, 15 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Well ... no. It's pretty normal practice for a company to issue a press release that is then "published" by mainstream press. Only one of the articles you've shown have an "author" (the 2nd one), but if you can still see that it's a thinly disguised "press release". Check out archive.org and look at the the July Systems website for the dates in question and you can see that they were published by the company (no accreditation to newspapers). --HighKing (talk) 01:15, 16 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
And the other two articles are bylined "our bureau" and "Times News Network" - i.e. not published by the company. I've looked at the website via archive.org and cannot see an article identical to any of these. It doesn't matter one jot per WP notability guidelines if a reliable source publishes its own article based on a press release - that is still independent coverage. I have still not seen any evidence that the editorial independence of these newspapers has been compromised. Gr1st (talk) 07:24, 16 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
The Hindu and The Times of India are both "third-party published sources with a reputation for fact-checking and accuracy". Many newspaper articles are based on or prompted by press releases, but these have still undergone an independent editorial process, which is what is required for their use of sources for Wikipedia. The whole point of our notability guidelines is that we don't substitute our own subjective judgement of notability for that of the editors of two of the world's largest circulation English language broadsheet newspapers, who have decided that this company is notable enough for them to publish articles about it. Phil Bridger (talk) 11:15, 16 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Good find, but it still doesn't make the company notable. The book in question is discussing how companies switch business plans, etc, and uses July as an example. Still doesn't make it notable though... C'mon guys, be objective! The company has been around for a while, true, but what is it notable for exactly? --HighKing (talk) 01:17, 16 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
It is notable for being the subject of non-trivial coverage in reliable sources which are independent of the subject. And please don't accuse people of not being objective - I've no agenda here. Gr1st (talk) 07:24, 16 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • Strong Keep 230 google news results
    Nominator wrote: "Has been tagged since October but still no external references or links to denote notability." Wikipedia:Notability Guideline "If an article fails to cite sufficient sources to demonstrate the notability of its subject, look for sources yourself." Policy is crystal clear articles for deletion is NOT the forum to clean up articles.
Why didn't the nominator make a good faith attempt to clean up the article first? Why didn't the nominator look for sources? It took me ten seconds to find 230 google news articles.
"Wikipedia was like a giant community leaf-raking project in which everyone was ...a groundsman...And then self-promoted leaf-pile guards appeared....who would look ...at your...handful and shake their heads, saying that your leaves were too crumpled or too slimy or too common, throwing them to the side." travb (talk) 10:20, 16 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
If you take it a further step and read the "news", like I did, you would most probably share my conclusion that these "news" articles are promotional Press Releases announcing partnerships and product launches. I looked for sources, I've read the material. Seeing as you're so fond of policy, take a look at WP:AGF, and next time try *reading* the sources. The names of the sources such as "Business Wire", "BusinessLine", "PR Newswire" etc might have given you a hint. Volume of "noise" does not equate to notability. --HighKing (talk) 15:31, 16 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment - It's clear that many editors here believe that this company is notable. I nominated the article for deletion based on my interpretation of self-published sources - and therefore any company generated press releases that are "picked up" by the newswire are not regarded as meeting notability guidelines. I'm happy to be corrected on that if I'm mistaken. There are a number of experienced editors here that believe the company is notable, and that's good enough for me. --HighKing (talk) 15:42, 16 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep. HighKing is right to complain about bootstrapped notability from press releases, but there's enough there from other sources [46] that, combined with $30M in venture capital funding, makes it notable. Sounds like Ashok Narasimhan might merit an article, too. THF (talk) 19:13, 18 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was deleted (CSD G3) by Thingg. NAC. Cliff smith talk 02:36, 16 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Armed With Sodas[edit]

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Hoax.--Avant-garde a clue-hexaChord2 13:02, 14 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. MBisanz talk 03:05, 19 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Grape stomp lady[edit]

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Wikipedia is not 4chan or a tabloid: "Wikipedia articles should respect the basic human dignity of their subjects. Wikipedia aims to be a reputable encyclopedia, not a tabloid. Our articles must not serve primarily to mock or disparage their subjects, whether directly or indirectly." -- wp:blp#Basic human dignity. See also Melissa Sander. -- Jeandré, 2009-01-14t12:02z 12:02, 14 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was transwiki. MBisanz talk 03:10, 19 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Sagan (number)[edit]

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This was a fairly early addition to Wikipedia, probably inherited from an entry in the Jargon File. It's of dubious provenance, suggesting only that the term "Sagan" was only ever used as a joke quantity by a few hackers on Usenet. There is no evidence that the term entered common use either generally or in any specialized field, or is even common jargon on Usenet (it is not). The article was recently tagged for merge to Carl Sagan but it would not be appropriate there because of due weight and lack of reliable sources. TS 11:40, 14 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

  • Some attention to Billions and Billions: Thoughts on Life and Death at the Brink of the Millennium#"Billions and billions" and Indefinite and fictitious numbers#At-least numbers is also required.

    Note the existence of

    Julie K. Petersen (2002). "sagan". Fiber Optics Illustrated Dictionary. CRC Press. p. 836. ISBN 9780849313493..

    I have my suspicions as to Petersen's source. Uncle G (talk) 13:10, 14 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete. Essentially a dictionary definition and an explanation of its etymology. Whether the term is actually used or not is irrelevant, as wikipedia is not a dictionary. JulesH (talk) 17:10, 14 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete. I'm usually a mergist, and it was me that suggested merge and redirect, but the only source for this word's entry at dictionary.reference.com is the Jargon File, so let it go. The content for it in the three other articles mentioned above should also then be trimmed. - Fayenatic (talk) 17:58, 14 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • If it were sourceable, a brief mention in Carl Sagan may be appropriate. But that's another matter, and there is no evidence that this term is in wide usage. Lack of sources means delete. Friday (talk) 18:56, 14 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • Perhaps transwiki to Wiktionary. 76.66.198.171 (talk) 05:54, 15 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • Merge sourceable content and redirect to Carl Sagan#Popularization of science or Indefinite and fictitious numbers#At-least numbers; also transwiki to Wiktionary since it lacks an entry there. There are reliable sources, including this column by William Safire in The New York Times, and those sources mentioned above; although the idea that "billions and billions" means the same as "at least 4 billion" is likely original research. DHowell (talk) 06:39, 17 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • Changing to Merge and redirect now that a source other than the Jargon File has been identified. - Fayenatic (talk) 19:00, 17 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • Merge and redirect (and transwiki) per DHowell. -- Quiddity (talk) 19:34, 17 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was keep. MBisanz talk 03:09, 19 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Dreamcast VGA[edit]

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Non Encyclopaedic. Page should be deleted and merged into Dreamcast Cabe6403 (Talk•Sign!) 10:38, 14 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was keep. MBisanz talk 03:09, 19 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Scores (Restaurant)[edit]

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Notability. Fails WP:CORP. Alphageekpa (talk) 10:35, 14 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

  • Keep. This is a stunningly bad article. However, the company's (gimmicky, uninteresting) site claims quite a lot of branches; it's hard to see either why they'd lie or how (if they're not lying) a restaurant chain packing in this number of people every evening is less significant than the hundreds of minor actors etc. who get articles here. And Google gives close to 900,000 hits for "scores quebec restaurant"; even granted that some are false positives (excellent, unrelated restaurants getting high scores etc.) and that most are blogs and the like, there seems to be something there. If WP:CORP disqualifies chains of this size, there's something wrong with WP:CORP. Morenoodles (talk) 11:45, 14 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
    • No. The thing that is in error is your rationale, which has zero basis in policy, and which is applying the widely-debunked count-the-Google-hits test. We don't include or exclude things based upon their size. The Primary Notability Criterion, as given in WP:CORP, involves the existence of multiple, independent, reliable, in-depth published works about the subject by identifiable people with reputations for fact checking and accuracy. Counting Google hits is not research. Anyone who knows how the hit count is generated will tell you that the number is utterly meaningless for Wikipedia purposes. Research involves actually looking for sources, which at the very least involves reading what one's Google search turns up to see whether it is even relevant.

      Please provide a rationale that has a basis in policy and the WP:CORP criteria, because your existing rationale has no basis at all in policy and is not based upon actually doing the research that is required (by Wikipedia:Deletion policy of long standing) for determining whether a subject is notable, and can as such be entirely discounted by a closing administrator. Uncle G (talk) 14:05, 14 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

      • Gosh, sorry, Uncle! Look, the Google test is a crock, I know. But when you say The Primary Notability Criterion, as given in WP:CORP, involves the existence of multiple, independent, reliable, in-depth published works about the subject by identifiable people with reputations for fact checking and accuracy I wonder how you can keep a straight face. That's what's needed for FAs and the like, yes. That's desirable for all articles, yes. But look, the huge majority of articles that are kept as a result of AfD don't have multiple, independent, reliable, in-depth published works about them, let alone such things by identifiable people with reputations for fact checking and accuracy. Indeed, I'd guess that the total of restaurant chains in the universe that have such documentation in existence anywhere, let alone cited in their Wikipedia articles, would be countable on the fingers of one hand. (Maybe even the thumbs of one hand, as you seem to have discounted anything other than university presses and the New Yorker. And come to think of it, I've found plenty of errors in books from university presses.) This article is unlikely ever to have ambitions beyond "start class"; and as long as it doesn't (and is free of spam, etc.), it can depend on scarce, iffy, superficial published works from websites that seem to have some claim to credibility. So, the sources. As a wise man once said, When one is challenging notability or verifiability, one doesn't get to opt out of the finding part and sit back waving at other editors saying that it is their responsibility, not one's own, to look for sources. So I looked for them, and have revised the article accordingly. It's a boring stub, but I hope it's no longer a stinking boring stub. Morenoodles (talk) 11:04, 15 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep. Article is currently in poor shape. But a chain with 38 restaurants is notable. Also, there is a link to a newspaper write up (albeit in French) on the page. LK (talk) 15:14, 14 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • Hello, since I saw notices, I made efforts to improve this topic. As this company is expanding in Ontario (anglophone province), it would be useful to keep this topic (in english) to inform anglophones people. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 96.20.219.58 (talk) 20:50, 14 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • Note: This debate has been included in the list of Business-related deletion discussions. -- • Gene93k (talk) 18:00, 14 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • Note: This debate has been included in the list of Food and drink-related deletion discussions. -- • Gene93k (talk) 18:00, 14 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • Strong keep FIRST Wikipedia:Notability Guideline states: "If an article fails to cite sufficient sources to demonstrate the notability of its subject, look for sources yourself."
    Nominator didn't indicate whether he checked for any sources, but the references in this article are adequate to save article from deletion.
    SECOND An AfD is a last resort only.
    Per:Wikipedia:Introduction to deletion process: :Remember that deletion is a last resort. Deletion nominations rarely improve articles, and deletion should not be used as a way to improve an article, or a reaction to a bad article. It is appropriate for articles which cannot be improved." Wikipedia:Potential, not just current state "In most cases deletion of an article should be a last resort."
    THIRD Nominator failed: Wikipedia:Arguments_to_avoid_in_deletion_discussions#Just_not_notable "Simply stating that the subject of an article is not notable does not provide reasoning as to why the subject may not be notable.", also: Just pointing_at_a_policy_or guideline: "While merely citing a policy or guideline may give other editors a clue as to what the reasoning is, it does not explain specifically how the policy is being violated. When asserting that an article should be deleted, it is important to explain why." Nominator gave no explanation of how or why "Notability. Fails WP:CORP".travb (talk) 01:59, 15 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • Update: I've revised the thing. (And see my comment to Uncle some way above.) Incidentally, I'm sure that the article should be renamed if it survives; but I'm not sure to what it should be renamed, and anyway renaming it during an AfD seems an unnecessary complication and for all I know may be illegal too. Morenoodles (talk) 11:11, 15 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment: The update by Morenoodles has improved the article quality, although the French source (which I didn't read my first time through) is still the only reliable, independent source in the article with significant coverage of the subject. This means the article still doesn't meet WP:CORP's requirements for multiple, significant RS coverage. However, I'm changing my position to neutral; I'll trust the judgment of others to weigh the subject's notability. Baileypalblue (talk) 03:04, 16 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • Thank you. But honestly, which chains of retailers get multiple, significant RS coverage? Among the North American ones. McDonalds, Wal-Mart, Starbucks, Sears ... any others? Yet I'm sure that if I nominated more than three chains that didn't satisfy these requirements, I'd have allegations of pointiness and disruptiveness thrown at me. As I see it, yes, claims need RS; but modest articles consisting of small numbers of claims can subsist on modest (but not self-) sourcing. It's when they're turned into advertising that they should be shot down. Morenoodles (talk) 04:20, 16 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was keep. MBisanz talk 03:09, 19 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Microfranchising[edit]

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Delete. An advertisement, nothing encyclopedic. Also fails WP: COI. Article is the author's first contribution to Wikipedia. MrShamrock (talk) 10:16, 14 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

  • Keep. There's no advertising in the article, which discusses a well-known concept whose popular use can be easily revealed by a google search. Multiple reliable sources in the Literature section establish the subject's notability. And I don't see any evidence of a COI violation: certainly the fact that the article was created by a user's first wiki edit is not in and of itself evidence of a COI. Baileypalblue (talk) 11:05, 14 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep - encyclopaedic, patently bizarre to suggest it's an advertisement. WilyD 14:11, 14 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep. Article is currently in poor shape. But topic is encyclopedic. LK (talk) 15:09, 14 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep, weakly. The tone of this is abysmal:

    easily replicable business opportunities ... proven methodologies ... provides affordable opportunities for the people at the BOP (base of the pyramid) to own and operate small businesses that have been tested and come with an operations manual ... Microfranchising coupled with microfinance becomes a very powerful development tool.

    The concept seems worthy of an article, though. I may edit out the vague peacock terms and leave a stub here. - Smerdis of Tlön (talk) 15:37, 14 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was delete. MBisanz talk 03:08, 19 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Ethan Drogin[edit]

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Delete. Fails WP:Notability. Google search provides no further sources of notability. MrShamrock (talk) 10:01, 14 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. MBisanz talk 03:07, 19 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Christian Artists (Musicians)[edit]

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Delete or merge with articles on Christian music and /or Contemporary Christian Music. The references provided refer to these subjects, not "Christian Artists." There are numerous subjective entries in this article, largely the author's opinion. MrShamrock (talk) 08:50, 14 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

  • Delete Ugh... looks redundant to the other articles which MrShamrock listed above and this article is not at all neutral, is contains too many images which don't contribute to the subject matter and is poorly written. --Pstanton 09:22, 14 January 2009 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Pstanton (talk • contribs)
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The result was delete. MBisanz talk 03:07, 19 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Supex[edit]

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I didn't hear about this even I live in Korea. I think the term "Supex" is used in SK only. Kwj2772 (talk) 08:47, 14 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. MBisanz talk 03:07, 19 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Worm (2007 film)[edit]

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No notability asserted; may not be verifiable either. Girolamo Savonarola (talk) 08:23, 14 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

  • Question. I've dug up the IMDB reference. Stephen Moffatt (not the Doctor Who writer) has mainly parts as an extra and uncredited minor roles. [47]. The whole Doctor Who thing makes finding further references harder. Anyone more skilled than me who can do the search?- Mgm|(talk) 10:25, 14 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete. The title suggests some cult sleazefest but the description makes it sound stupendously dreary. Get this: "The scene is where Adam dies and goes to hell. But where he dies, Hell was not shown on this movie." Boring! (Back in the golden age of crap homiletic movies like Reefer Madness, we'd have seen hell, even if it were constructed out of cardboard boxes and Halloween costumes.) Oh yes, and nobody's bothered to review this video. The kindest thing would be to let the article die. Morenoodles (talk) 10:27, 14 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
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  • Delete A film is not notable unless significant independent coverage and/or reviews of the film are published. See Wikipedia:Notability (films). LK (talk) 15:30, 14 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • Userfy Weak delete per my response above to Mgm. Schmidt, MICHAEL Q. 19:42, 14 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep or userfy the editor had 4 edits before he began working on this article. The movie is not a fraud, and does exist, as per imdb. Instead of saying thanks for your contributions, and explaining the 5 pillars of wikipedia, the wikipedia community in this AfD is telling User:Derek Coburn "your contributions are worthless" I found the movie site: http://www.wormthemovie.com/story.htm travb (talk) 02:44, 15 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
    • It hadn't occurred to me that it might not exist. I presume that it does exist; after all, why bother to create a website for a non-existent DVD? (A website to sell non-existent Swiss pharmaceuticals from a non-existent Canadian address, that I could understand, though of course not condone.) But IMDB is not a reliable source. It's a useful resource: it points to external reviews, many of which are typically in sources of note (NY Times, SF Chronicle etc., even respected websites like Berardinelli's). Number of external reviews here? Zero (0). Where is the significance of this DVD? It was made, it is sold, yes -- and what more? Morenoodles (talk) 03:32, 15 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • This isn't preschool, User:Inclusionist. We don't leave crap articles alive just to pad the self esteem of new editors. They are held to the same standard as everyone else. Trusilver 16:44, 15 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was keep. Per WP:SNOW. (non-admin closure) — neuro(talk) 04:18, 15 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Split: A Divided America[edit]

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No notability asserted. Girolamo Savonarola (talk) 08:04, 14 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was merge to videographer. MBisanz talk 03:07, 19 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Cinephotographer[edit]

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Per WP:NEO. Google only has 71 hits for cinephotographer+dslr, none of which strike me as RS-worthy. (Cinephotographer itself has many false positives for foreign filmmakers of traditional cinematographic background, albeit with poor translation skills into English.) References are fairly poor and arguably promotional in content, and the article essentially notes that people with new still cameras which can now record HD video are now "cinephotographers". Not saying that this may not merit further consideration in the future, but for now, the relevant information seems more appropriate for more general DSLR and cinematography articles. Girolamo Savonarola (talk) 07:56, 14 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was Speedy Deleted per WP:CSD#A7 and WP:CSD#G11 Pedro :  Chat  08:53, 14 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

(Sidhartha Shankar)[edit]

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Delete. Fails notability and bio quite comprehensibly. MrShamrock (talk) 07:52, 14 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. MBisanz talk 03:07, 19 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

South Australian Defence Basketball[edit]

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This non-professional social basketball organisation doesn't appear to meet the notability requirements set by WP:ORG . A Google search of 'South Australian Defence Basketball' (see: [48]) produces no results other than the organisation's own website and Facebook page and the article was started by User:Timothy.muehlberg who is listed in the article as being the association's woman's coach and is listed in a number of other roles on the association's website, including as its historian: [49]. Nick-D (talk) 07:49, 14 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. MBisanz talk 03:07, 19 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Breaking the News (film)[edit]

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No notability asserted, and explicitly fails future film notability guidelines. Girolamo Savonarola (talk) 07:45, 14 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was keep. MBisanz talk 03:07, 19 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

TheDraw[edit]

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I am having to force myself to do this. I used to spend hours with this program back when I was a kid, and there really is no information anywhere... but it isn't really notable, and I can't find a single reliable source. Feel free to attempt to rescue it, or possibly transwiki. I just can't justify keeping it in its current state. ~ JohnnyMrNinja 07:37, 14 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

  • Perhaps a merger of parts of this into ANSI art might be appropriate. I used to use this all the time myself, since I was the sysop of a local BBS from 1984 to 1999. - Smerdis of Tlön (talk) 15:40, 14 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep This was the signature ANSI editor used on PCs for the better part of a decade. Everyone who ever ran or called a BBS had it. It should fulfill the notability requirement...we just have to find the sources, which may not be easy to do via google considering that TheDraw comes from the pre-internet era. Wiz [CiA] aka Amazinglarry (talk) 17:00, 14 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
    • Notability is not about userbases, or popularity, or fame, or size. It is about coverage in published works from which an encyclopaedia article can be written. And callers to BBSes didn't need to create screens. Uncle G (talk) 23:40, 17 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment I added a link to an interview with the creator of the software. I will also point out that Wikipedia has articles on numerous software titles from this era, some of which were less widespread than TheDraw, for example Telix, Zmodem, Renegade (BBS), PKZIP, ACiDDraw. Amazinglarry (talk) 17:26, 14 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
    • "If article X then article Y." is a fallacious argument. Every subject stands or falls on its own merits, according to whether it is covered by sources or not. PKZIP is covered in many books, some of which, such as ISBN 9781557552037, are entirely devoted to its particular class of software utility program. Telix, too, is documented in books. You need to show that this program has been the subject of multiple in-depth coverage in independent reliable published works. Uncle G (talk) 23:40, 17 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • Merge into ANSI art, perhaps into a history or tools section. It deserves a mention, even a section in ANSI art, having been one of the earliest and most influential ANSI art editors; but we don't have enough verifiable information to extend it to full article length. Note: I am not the creator of this article; I initially created it as a redirect because I was too lazy to write an article. You can thank User:Cumbrowski for creating it, and I hope he will comment. Dcoetzee 09:49, 15 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
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  • Strong Keep - TheDraw is probably the single most important tool used by the DOS PC ANSI art/ASCII art Artscene of all time. Disclaimer. I am using TheDraw myself to this day, since I first found out about it in 1992 (being a user for 16 years might be considerable as WP:COI :)). The tool got mentioned several times in interviews for the documentary "BBS: The Documentary" by Jason Scott Sadofsky, which can be found at the internet archive here. I am not sure, if or how many of the mentions of the tool made it on the final DVD, but I will find out and add it to the references in the article. --roy<sac> Talk! .oOo. 00:26, 16 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment I'm sure we could find numerous references in Boardwatch magazine, but I can't find a way to search the contents of Boardwatch on the internet. Anyone able to help? This seems like a classic example of an obviously notable subject, but the references are not readily available on the internet, which has led to this AFD nomination. Amazinglarry (talk) 15:50, 16 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep. More or less the most prominent editor of its kind ever created, I think that speaks for itself. JBsupreme (talk) 22:50, 17 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
    • No, it doesn't. Notability is neither fame nor importance. We rejected that as a principle long ago. What counts is whether a subject has been documented, in multiple in-depth published works from reliable sources independent of its creator(s), by the world at large. If the world hasn't seen fit to document this subject, then no matter how "prominent", "important", "unique", and so forth we personally and subjectively think it to be we don't get to mis-use Wikipedia to rectify the fact that the world hasn't documented something that we like. Being confident that Boardwatch will have documented this is not the same as pointing to where it actually has, moreover. Uncle G (talk) 23:40, 17 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
      • Uncle G, I think we all understand notability and the need to provide sources, the problem is that the sources are hard to find quickly by google searching or whatever. Anyone who knows anything about BBS culture knows how ubiquitous this software was and that's why everyone here is arguing for its notability. I went ahead and found another source (an actual book!) and added it to the article. Hopefully this will be enough to keep the article alive while someone figures out where Boardwatch can be searched. Amazinglarry (talk) 01:36, 18 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was merge to Quincy Five. MBisanz talk 03:06, 19 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

David Keaton[edit]

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Delete WP:BLP1E - sufficiently not notable that we don't know anything about him biographically date, place of birth, life history, subsequent life, except his intersection with the court cases in which he was involved. Carlossuarez46 (talk) 06:59, 14 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was Delete as copyvio, before the normal termination of this AfD and therefore without prejudicing the fate of any future article with original text about the same subject. Hoary (talk) 14:44, 14 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Kevin Michael Reed[edit]

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This photographer is not notable and has made no contributions to fashion photography via major magazines like Vogue or W. This article lists no major fashion clients. The article lists many professional affiliations, by no means does that merits the wiki entry. His webpage has no current or noteable supermodels or editorials at the world class level. MagazineHound (talk) 06:31, 14 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

  • Delete as copyvio. The majority of the article is a direct copy from his own website. Our article on Graphis needs some work, but it implies that it's an important organization in photography so its awards would be significant even if they've just recently started handing them out. So I'm not opposed to a cleaned up version of the article. - Mgm|(talk) 09:50, 14 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete as copyvio per Mgm: article text is taken from the biography on Kevin Michael Reed's website, [51] and there is no earlier infringement-free version. The infringing material was added by User: Phrostbyte, who claims to be an associate of Kevin Michael Reed. Phrostbyte claims to have received permission from Kevin Michael Reed to add his works to the page, and User: Kmreed (who may be Kevin Michael Reed) has also edited the page; however, this is not sufficient to satisfy Wikipedia's copyright policy. Baileypalblue (talk) 10:19, 14 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was delete. MBisanz talk 03:01, 19 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Assassin Blue[edit]

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Non-notable game. Flopsy Mopsy and Cottonmouth (talk) 05:59, 14 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

  • Delete The only relevant Google hits point to Game Maker or YoYo Games. Two related sites who will cover any game made with the software. There's no reviews or other independent information, not even from unreliable sources. - Mgm|(talk) 09:41, 14 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
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  • Delete = I did search for this, and found nothing. This is a game that came out a couple of weeks ago and was developed by one person. The only Google hits are for free download sites and for Game Maker or YoYo Games (which makes Game Maker). Assassin Blue is made in Game Maker. Flopsy Mopsy and Cottonmouth (talk) 10:23, 15 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • Do not Delete = The game's been featured on several other sites aside from YoYoGames--including GMArcade, TwilightPhantasm, and Caiman. There are fan-made videos posted on youtube, and the game has been reviewed on a few non-English sites as well: http://www.idealsoftblog.it/2009/01/assassin-blue-freeware-action-game.html, for example. It's been played several thousand times. The only reason the first page of google doesn't display more relevant links is because of a feature film with a smiliar name. I fail to see how the number of developers should affect its relevance. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.146.202.22 (talk) 15:22, 15 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
    In terms of notability, no the number of developers isn't relevent. But neither is the number of sites the game is hosted on. Idealsoftblog doesn't look like it meets our requirements for a WP:Reliable source. Have a look at WP:N for roughly what we are looking for. At the moment, I would hav e to say delete. Marasmusine (talk) 23:53, 16 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
    The "made by one person" comment referred more to the fact that the article is being written by the single creator of the game than to any notability conferred by the quantity of game developers. This was a fault in my writing, and I apologize for the confusion. I won't correct my original comment, since that would make 75.146.202.22's reply look confused, and instead I'll let this comment here speak for me.  :) Flopsy Mopsy and Cottonmouth (talk) 03:53, 17 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
    Not true, LeonsBuddyDave started the article and other members have contributed to it. I submitted some edits but I certainly didn't create the article myself, nor did I ask anyone else to. The Notability guideline seems pretty focused on having the subject covered in multiple locations, which this game is; I'd say that's a solid example of notability. Its popularity has been building and it's been played by thousands of people. What kind of "notable" site would have to cover/feature the game in order for it to be considered notable enough for your standards? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Banov (talk • contribs) 19:34, 17 January 2009 (UTC) — Banov (talk • contribs) has made few or no other edits outside this topic. [reply]
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The result was userfy. –Juliancolton Tropical Cyclone 01:01, 20 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Zettai Kakusei Tenshi Misutoresu Fōchun[edit]

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Unnotable one-shot manga series; unlicensed and no significant coverage in reliable-third party sources, only minor mentions of its being published. Fails WP:BK. Prod removed with note saying "tag deleted, I ask that the article be taken to AfD for a wider debate." -- Collectonian (talk · contribs) 04:51, 14 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Not every book written by even a notable author is automatically notable. Notability does not inherit and, per WP:CRYSTAL, we do not operate on the idea of trying to guess that something will eventually be notable. As a side note, in some other recent AfDs, the validity of WP:MOS-AM#Notability has been challenged, which made lead to more of even licensed series being deleted if they have not received any coverage, same as any other book. -- Collectonian (talk · contribs) 05:31, 14 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • Even if it fails every notability criterion under the sun, it would still be a suitable and verifiable merge/redirect to the author with a brief mention he made it. The work of notable people should be covered comprehensively even if it's not using a full separate article. - Mgm|(talk) 09:38, 14 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • True, except it is already mentioned in the author's article, where we generally do not include plot summaries except for extraordinary circumstances (which this isn't). -- Collectonian (talk · contribs) 13:46, 14 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete as non-notable work per WP:NOTE and WP:BK. Just because the author has become notable recently doesn't mean that all of his works are granted automatic notability. The work is also already mentioned in the author's article so there is no need to merge. --Farix (Talk) 12:11, 14 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • Userfy (probably to User:Kelakagandy) under the very plausible assumption that the series will eventually be licensed and, when the reviews come in as they have done for all her other series, can show notability and so restored, and redirect the title to the author's article. Despite the news reports about the series, there is not yet enough information to demostrate notability, and the assumption above falls under WP:CRYSTAL. —Quasirandom (talk) 14:44, 14 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Minor correction, but not all of her series have been reviewed yet. :P I.O.N, for example, has only been given a brief review in Publisher's Weekly (maybe, can't access the full article). I haven't found reviews for Short-Tempered Melancholic either. -- Collectonian (talk · contribs) 18:39, 14 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Okay, now I'm starting to worry about my memory, as I could have sworn I found out about I.O.N from an ANN review, and only bought it after reading a review. But, no, ANN admits to no such thing existing. Argh. —Quasirandom (talk) 22:24, 15 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • Userfy per Quasirandom. I'd also like to point out that a one-shot means to me a single chapter, not three chapters that were released in a single volume (but then, I don't [get to] read many one-shots, so maybe Collectonian knows something I don't ;) ). 「ダイノガイ千？！」(Dinoguy1000) 19:59, 14 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
It seems to vary. In other similar one volume releases, I've seen various reviews call them one-shots, which is where I picked it up from. :) -- Collectonian (talk · contribs) 20:07, 14 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
In the English (or at least American) comics industry, it means strictly a single chapter/issue comic. When I first encountered manga fans calling a series collected in a single volume a one-shot, it confused me mightily. —Quasirandom (talk) 20:35, 14 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Okay, that helps clarify. I'll have to keep that in mind in the future... 「ダイノガイ千？！」(Dinoguy1000) 23:14, 14 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was delete. Stifle (talk) 11:19, 14 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Mundana Quartet[edit]

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The music group didn't sign a contract with no label, they don't have an album. The links only tell that they were playing a concert on two local events (which don't google too well). They did a soundtrack for some movie which doesn't google well either (it was made by some local group, most information says it was shown on one notable film festival amongst others). Since the last AfD they played on Prowincjonalia 2008 film festival but rather than a concert they seemed to have been doing background music. Much of their website is taken by offer to hire them to play on a wedding or other event (much of the google hits are similar ads too) Plushy (talk) 13:09, 8 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

  • Comment It is hard to say on this one. Since I can't read a word of Polish, it is hard to say whether the sources provided fit the criteria of WP:N and WP:RS. If a user familiar with Polish can comment on the extent of the coverage in these sources, or in other Polish sources that can be found, a better determination can be made as to whether this group meets the inclusion criteria. I cannot vote either way though with the information I have, since sources are in fact present. Theseeker4 (talk) 13:48, 8 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment The nominator says: "They did a soundtrack for some movie which doesn't google well either (it was made by some local group, most information says it was shown on one notable film festival amongst others)" suggests it's possible the film is notable. If it is, the band would be notable for providing its soundtrack. - Mgm|(talk) 08:44, 9 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete. I do read Polish and can confirm that the Gazeta Wyborcza sources are merely passing mentions of their participation in forthcoming performances, in regional editions of the newspaper. The Polish arts scene is pretty well covered on the Internet, so I would expect to be able to find significant coverage online if the subject was notable, but Google web and news searches find nothing beyond such passing mentions. It's possible that the Głos Wielkopolski source in the article (which is from a major regional newspaper that I'm surprised is a red link) provides significant coverage, but that's only one source, not enough for notability. Phil Bridger (talk) 16:12, 10 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so consensus may be reached.
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The result was WP:SNOW delete and salted (this was the third deletion today). BencherliteTalk 13:34, 14 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Fermented honeypot[edit]

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Procedural nom. Prod rationale was "Neologism, invented literally today" NuclearWarfare (Talk) 04:09, 14 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]


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The result was delete. MBisanz talk 03:01, 19 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Fillabelly[edit]

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Non-notable article about a charity event. One dead link, one source to indicate it really did exist, and no sources indicating its notability. Article was created by one of the event's organizers. Rklawton (talk) 03:29, 14 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was speedy delete. Confirmed hoax/scam. Article is an edited copy of Bill & Melinda Gates Foundation Mgm|(talk) 09:28, 14 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Abiola foundation[edit]

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I can't find anything on Google about a "Moshood Abiola Foundation", even though it's supposed to be the largest private foundation in Africa. And the website link is broken. JaGatalk 03:06, 14 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. MBisanz talk 02:59, 19 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Sarah June[edit]

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Non-notable musician. I asked the original contributor for some reliable sources, but none are forthcoming. A Google search for /"sarah june" "This is My Letter to the World" -wikipedia/ comes up with only 60 hits. A Google search for /"Hand/Eye Records" -wikipedia/ only comes up with 44 hits. None of them a reliable source. There are zero Google hits for either search on Google news archive. AnyPerson (talk) 03:05, 14 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

P.S....When I googled it here I got 23.7 Million hits. Not to mention the Wikipedia article was the 8TH down the list... K50 Dude ROCKS! 04:18, 14 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
That's not a reliable search. Use quote marks. See the search terms I used above. AnyPerson (talk) 07:02, 14 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • keep I am the original contributor for this page. I apologize for not be forthcoming with your requests. I am new to Wikipedia editing and am still trying to find my way around. More verifiable sources will be forthcoming soon and I hope that the page will be given the time to grow. Kalki2112 (talk) 04:57, 14 January 2009 (UTC)Kalki2112[reply]

keep hello. if one does a search for the artist name and the album ("sarah june "this is my letter to the world") many sites come up. see this link to the search results: http://www.google.com/search?source=ig&hl=en&rlz=1G1GGLQ_ENUS262&q=%22sarah+june%22+%22this+is+my+letter+to+the+world%22&btnG=Google+Search&aq=f this is a signed artist, on itunes, amazon, etc. etc. this is a new artist, but a notable artist who has had many reviews, radio play, published magazine interviews, etc. Shoo gaze (talk) 06:04, 14 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

— Shoo gaze (talk • contribs) has made few or no other edits outside this topic. - Which reliable links are in that Google search? AnyPerson (talk) 07:01, 14 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

comment hello AnyPerson and ChildofMidnight, i am new to editing, however, i can provide what i believe to be reliable links, but of course this is up to the discretion of the wiki community. here are links that are reliable:

http://www.amoeba.com/music/music-we-like/2008-fall/short-list/sarah-june/this-is-my-letter-to-the-world.html

  • also this artist is reviewed in this article, also by amoeba in hollywood:

http://www.amoeba.com/blog/2008/08/pen-is-mightier-than-the-sword/out-today-8-19-.html


i hope this helps any :) Shoo gaze (talk) 07:18, 14 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Nobody is trying to say that the person and her work don't exist, we're still looking for sources which meet Wikipedia criteria at WP:RS. Having a download on iTunes or a CD or amazon or a record for sale at amoeba music aren't sources which can be used to write an article from. And the amoeba.com/blog link isn't reliable, as blogs are not considered reliable sources, under most circumstances. AnyPerson (talk) 00:12, 15 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

hello :) i understand - although besides the amoeba.com blog, the amoeba.com site specifically chose this artist as a notable new artist for 2008. the amoeba.com blog just details the artists they choose as notable new releases. amoeba.com is definitely a reliable site (one of the external links on the article shows this artist's album on the amoeba site). this artist is also a signed artist. i see many other "indie" artists who have wiki pages that are not signed, have no references for verification, and are still up. i'm not trying to argue - just trying to figure out why this is. i searched around a bit today and saw a lot of artists that are relatively "unknown" who have pages. this artist is a new artist who is quickly gaining notoriety in independent and alternative music circles. thank you for your consideration on this :) Shoo gaze 00:12, 15 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Presumably, artists who are not signed have either 1-got reliable sources to show why they meet notability standards, or 2-nobody has gotten around to nominating them for deletion. But that's neither here nor there, as this discussion concerns this article. See WP:OTHERSTUFFEXISTS. AnyPerson (talk) 00:30, 15 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
hello again :) i appreciate your comments. as i said, i am new to the specifics of wikipedia. this artist has many reviews online, is in magazines, and these reviews are indeed on reliable websites, as in they are edited, checked, have been in existence for some time, etc. given time, i believe this page will be able to site many credible sources. this is a very new page, and i hope perhaps that it could be given a chance to be edited, as new users are trying to create this page. i do understand your comments. again - i am not trying to argue at all. i am new to this, and hope to assist the original writer of this article in correctly siting sources per wikipedia's standards.Shoo gaze00:30, 15 January 2009 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.21.64.125 (talk) [reply]
comment hello - i am only attempting to help save this page, as i felt it would contribute to wikipedia, as this artist does have a sizable fan-base. my comments are only in good faith, and i do want to learn how to assist in editing this page so that it meets wikipedia standards. thank you - the information you have provided is helping me to understand wikipedia's guidelines. Shoo gaze (talk) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.21.64.125 (talk) 00:48, 15 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

There are additional reviews and interviews coming out for this artist. I believe that the coming months will be very active in regards to press. I was made aware of a new one today. It is in the form of a review and I am not sure if this source meets the requirements for citation or not. As the original contributor I would like to see other with more skill that me to have the opportunity to contribute. Here is the link for the latest release. {http://www.digitalisindustries.com/foxyd/reviews.php?which=3982}. Kalki2112 (talk) 02:55, 15 January 2009 (UTC)Kalki2112[reply]

An article still needs reliable sources to write a biography from, not a reviews page. AnyPerson (talk) 00:31, 16 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
hello :) the record label has the official "one sheet" which is the bio of the artist that is sent to domestic and international distributors. i will re-check the page to be sure the bio cites references from the record label's bio, which is the official bio from which all other reviews, magazines, interviews, etc. get their information. Shoo gaze (talk) 03:04, 16 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Record label data doesn't meet the reliability standard. AnyPerson (talk) 03:16, 16 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
ok - i just made some new edits to the page. i am not the initial writer of the article but am trying to assist. i hope my edits help. i am working to flesh out this article... bear with me :)Shoo gaze (talk) 03:04, 16 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
hi again. i am working to get the biography nailed down, with all of the appropriate references. bear with me, and the original author of this article, and we will get the necessary edits worked on . thank you for your input. new edits to this page are in the works. Shoo gaze (talk) 03:39, 16 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was no consensus. MBisanz talk 02:59, 19 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

GetRight[edit]

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I can't find any reliable sources that show notability. Fails WP:NOTABILITY. Schuym1 (talk) 02:53, 14 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was no consensus. MBisanz talk 03:00, 19 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Garrett Ford, Jr.[edit]

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This article's creator has a habit of creating articles for borderline-notable or non-notable subjects. This article in question is about a West Virginia football player; I cannot find anything notable about this person with google or other web searches. There is no notability. Timneu22 (talk) 02:24, 14 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

  • Speedy delete per A7, makes no claim of notability or significance, appears to be nothing more then just another college athlete. --Pstanton 09:36, 14 January 2009 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Pstanton (talk • contribs)
  • Keep - the starting tailback for a major powerhouse is notable. --B (talk) 14:12, 14 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
    Comment - there is no notablity on relevant web searches; there have been no books written about this guy. Without something like this, notability is hard to prove. Timneu22 (talk) 14:23, 14 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
    Of course there are no books about him - if Wikipedia restricted articles to subjects there have been books about, it would be a much smaller encyclopedia. I think there's enough news for an article, though. --B (talk) 14:44, 14 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
    The editor in question, and several like him, should really consider a Wikia site to add all this information. WVU Athletes? This would be a fine Wikia site where the editors could do as they please. Timneu22 (talk) 17:17, 14 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • Weak Keep - My only argument for this article is that he was a starter. However, this article was created a while back before I was aware of notability rules. Do as you wish. John (talk) 22:43, 14 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
    Comment - this "weak keep" is from the article's creator! If the creator of an article doesn't agree with the notability, then it's time to remove it. Timneu22 (talk) 12:27, 15 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
I believe everyone understands this. Ha! John (talk) 04:14, 16 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was delete. MBisanz talk 02:58, 19 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Peter William Wade[edit]

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Despite the detailed article, I do not see anything that meets wp:bio. References (the ones that load to an actual site) do not assert notability either. Omarcheeseboro (talk) 02:07, 14 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

  • While the article may be notable, at a stretch, it's poorly written. It's difficult to tell wether it is about Peter William Wade or his brother, or both! Probably better tagged for WP:CLEANUP. I'd help clean up this article but I have no interest in it whatsoever. Nick carson (talk) 02:48, 14 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete No, the same person created an article about Benjamin James Wade at the same time. I don't know what the occasion is, but neither one of them is having a birthday this month. In doing a Google news search, I can't see that either of them stands out, but since we're talking about only this person, here's the results for 2007 and 2008. [58]. If someone can show some notability please let me know. Mandsford (talk) 03:08, 14 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment: Since I actually took on the task of reading both Wade articles, I should share that it certainly seems like Benjamin is more notable.. he's on Survivor, conducts an Orchestra, College Coach.. not sure what that leads to, but I hope that explains why this is the only one I sent over. --Omarcheeseboro (talk) 03:54, 14 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete. Sheesh. I thought Stephanie Sailor was the acme of vanity, but this takes the cake and eats it too. Seriously, descended of Pocahontas? The most traveled person in the US? And in between all these random and inflated facts, not a bit of substance. Drmies (talk) 03:22, 14 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete. Oh my gosh, this article should only be kept as an archive, to be shown as an example of how non-notable and vain a biography can get. --MrShamrock (talk) 06:27, 14 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete Vanity has no bounds. Racepacket (talk) 14:00, 14 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • Weak Delete The article is packed with a lot of fluff, which does itself no favors, but it's not as bad as previous discussion would indicate. The subject's film work has won awards from local film festivals which probably don't quite meet notability standards (one imdb entry); he has an independently published mathematical theorem which isn't influential enough to meet the criteria of Wikipedia:Notability (academics); the public access TV show and teaching career are non-notable. Does not-quite-notable work in multiple fields add up to notability overall? Probably not. Baileypalblue (talk) 17:56, 14 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment If you murder your parents (Sarah Marie Johnson), we'll keep you on Wikipedia. If you win a handful of awards (but no Oscars or Golden Globes) as a filmmaker (John Cassavetes), we'll keep you on Wikipedia. But if you are a cast member on Survivor and could bring millions of people to Wikipedia's site (a site that has gained quite a reputation among college professors for its unreliability), LET'S DELETE THEM because they're vain!!! If you are an award-winning filmmaker who revolutionizes the mathematics program at two schools and make thousands of students' lives better, LET'S DELETE THEM because they're vain!!! I wonder if MrShamrock, Drmies, Mandsford and Racepacket would be so gracious as to list the top 5 accomplishments in their life thus far. Show me notability. Mandsford was unable to find Ben Wade's name in a Google search despite numerous links to Survivor 18. I'm not impressed at your surfing skills. The Wade brothers are not nearly as notable as many, believe me! But it seems they have collectively accomplished enough to merit a spot on Wikipedia. Incidentally, vanity is not an issue when these articles are being written ABOUT the Wade Brothers, not BY them. Superdupereditor (talk) 21:42, 14 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
    • 1) The five editors didn't write wikipedia articles about ourselves nor solicit someone to do so. 2) Sources do not have to be on the internet. 3) I am troubled by Superdupereditor's use of "we." 4) The notability of Peter must be established independently of Ben. 5) I hope that Superdupereditor is not being paid to do this stuff. 66.173.140.100 (talk) 05:55, 16 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
    • Certainly, you feel strongly about this, and that's fine. Here's a suggestion. Give us a link to whichever news article which, in your opinion, best illustrates the accomplishments of Peter William Wade. Frankly, the article has so much verbage about Pocahontas and trips to Alaska that it's difficult to figure out Mr. Wade's important accomplishments. Mandsford (talk) 22:16, 14 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment I appreciate your reasonable reply Mandsford and you make a good point. I suppose the biggest problem is that in researching the Wade brothers, and in talking with them, there are numerous awards and certificates and newspaper articles bestowed upon these two but not much of it has been encapsulated on the Internet. Microfiche yes, the web no. This site provides me with an opportunity to celebrate their personal accomplishments not yet fully documented on the Internet. It's a difficult task and I'm not sure where to go with it. Superdupereditor (talk) 23:05, 14 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • Speedy Delete per CSD G11. A very similar article about both brothers was just deleted not long ago with much of the same content. It's pure promotion and written by someone associated with the subject. -- Gmatsuda (talk) 06:57, 15 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
    • Sorry, but if you don't have a link to the prior debate, we can't really know how recently "not long ago" was, or what the reasons were for deletion, or even whether it was about the same person. Until then, the discussion here is about the merits of this particular article. Mandsford (talk) 14:11, 15 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
      • There wasn't a prior debate. The two articles were Wade Brothers and Benjamin James Wade, both of which were created by Superdupereditor and both of which were speedily deleted. Uncle G (talk) 23:56, 17 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment Let's not mislead the public Gmatsuda. There was indeed one single article written about the Wade brothers a week ago just before the release of the Survivor 18 cast list. At that time, we were under contract with CBS not to release that information and thus the one key fact missing was Ben Wade's association with Survivor. The article was deleted because the Wade brothers were not deemed worthy of notability. Once the Survivor cast was released on Tuesday, it now made Ben Wade notable (it takes a reality show to make him Wikipedia-worthy since all of his other accomplishments are worthless to this website). With this newfound notability, separate articles of the Wade brothers were posted on Wikipedia (you'll notice that most cast members have Wikipedia articles). I'm most confused by your indication that there is some sort of promotion in these articles. There are numerous filmmakers, mathematicians, conductors, coaches and musicians on Wikipedia. Not for advertising purposes but for informational purposes. The Wade brothers are not conductors or coaches or musicians-for-hire. There is nothing to advertise. -- Superdupereditor (talk) 15:21, 15 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment Has anyone considered the fact that Chris Crocker and William Hung have Wikipedia articles? As we all know, they have truly contributed to society. Essentially, absolutely anyone who has experienced their "15 minutes of fame" and is soon forgotten is Wikipedia-worthy but someone who accomplishes great things throughout their life is not (unless they've been featured on national television). -- Superdupereditor (talk) 16:34, 15 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment: "Under contract?" OK. That is a strong indication that this article is promotional and that it clearly violates Wikipedia's policy on conflict of interest. While having a conflict of interest doesn't mean the article should be deleted, in and of itself, it does raise serious questions about its credibility and reliability. An indepedent third party should have written it. Doesn't matter who else has an article. That's irrelevant. If merely being on Survivor makes one notable (which I'm not sure I agree with), I'll go with the consensus on that. Notability is subjective, in reality. -- Gmatsuda (talk) 17:12, 15 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • Weak keep I have made a proposed edit of the article (the author can change it back to the old version simply by clicking on history). P.W. Wade was published in the College Mathematics Journal as co-author of a recursion theorem concerning Pythagorean triples, which might be sufficiently notable. He's also had some achievements as an indie filmmaker, although I don't know that those would be notable enough. I've removed anything that doesn't refer to those two accomplishments, and invite people to judge his case on the recent edit. Mandsford (talk) 17:52, 15 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
    • I think Mandsford has done an excellent job at cleaning up this article. If Superdupereditor didn't realize it was a vanity page before, maybe s/he will see the difference now--and the power of reference (i.e., proof that something was notable enough to be written about by someone in a notable medium). Crocker and Hung are irrelevant here--it's not good deeds that will get in WP, it's notability (and I'm with Gmatsuda on the ethics of that, incidentall). I continue to question the overall notability, though. I can't find a single meaningful reference to the Pete Wade Show, except for TV channels' program listings. Second and third place in a local film project is not as good as winning a non-local film project. In the end, what's left is the theorem--and while the original article claimed this was as big as the pyramids, I'm not so convinced, and I think that it would deserve a one-sentence article at best, since that's really the only published reference: the original article in the Journal of College Math and the follow-up article, in the same journal, from a few years later. The Editor can continue to question my significance in life, but that won't affect my judgment. Drmies (talk) 19:04, 15 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep By "under contract", Mr. Matsuda, I simply meant that I was one of the few people who knew that Ben Wade would appear on Survivor 18 months in advance. CBS asked that I sign a contract that prevented me from leaking this information. I am not a relative or friend of the Wade brothers and I have only met them twice. I see no conflict of interest. I did extensive interviews on both occasions and they were able to back up every bit of their biographical information. The problem is that little of it appears on the Internet and I was trying to accomplish just that. I suppose my ultimate aim was to write an article on Wikipedia that you won't find anywhere else, a one-of-a-kind rather a regurgitation of the same info you'll find everywhere else (Survivor sites, newspapers, magazines, journals). What I didn't understand, being relatively new to Wiki, is that you can't write an exclusive article based on independent research, facts that people would absolutely love to read about. One must simply offer a collective summary of facts that can be backed up by other Internet sources. Not very creative, but I get it now. I'm still not sure I understand what prevents me from going to each of your articles and deleting all of them for whatever reasons I deem applicable. I'm also not sure why Dr. Wade's contribution to the development of the MRI or their grandfather's patent of the first pop top can is not relevant, since all of you have encountered at least one if not both of those inventions in your lifetime. As far as Mandsford's edit, it may not tell the fascinating story of the Wade family but if that's all I can get, I'll accept it. I greatly appreciate Mandsford taking the time to clean it up rather than the others who have simply chosen to hurl insults. I imagine they have accomplished very little in life and feel bitter. Thank you Mandsford for your efforts. As for Drmies, the mathematical breakthrough was certainly not the biggest discovery of the century, I'll agree. But I think if you understood mathematics, or asked any math professor, you would appreciate the significance of finding a recursion that churns out every possible Pythagorean Triple, something even Pythagoras couldn't do. I don't understand a thing about NASCAR so I wouldn't dare go around debating it. Drmies, I was hoping you would post a picture of yourself so we could all decide whether or not you are a dweeb as you claim the Wade brothers are. -- Superdupereditor (talk) 21:35, 15 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
    • Mr. Editor, first of all, I didn't use that word (please read carefully); secondly, it seemed to me that the picture and the articles presented some sort of ideal image of two renaissance men. My brother and I, I assure you, are hardly as goodlooking or glamorous as the Wade brothers are (and we also don't know a thing about NASCAR--where does that come from?). And sure, I've encountered pop cans. The inventor of that is probably notable; how does that rub off on the grandson? The basic fact is this: notability requires documentation. I find it hard to believe that such a notable person would not have made a dent on the internet. For instance, The Knoxville News Sentinel has an online archive. No results for "Peter William Wade," for Peter William Wade only real estate transactions, nothing for "Peter Wade," nothing for "Pete Wade." That does not mean that "the internet" left him out; it means that his local paper, in the place where he's from and where he excelled in so many things (according to an earlier version of your article) never ran an article mentioning him. (I lived in Knoxville, I worked at UT, I know where to look.) Results when searching the Tennessean, the Nashville paper, are the same. WP:N is the name of the game. Drmies (talk) 22:46, 15 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
    • Comment: Superduper - Sources on Wikipedia don't have to exist on the internet. They can be books, academic journals, old newspaper articles, etc. Please see wp:reliable sources. If you have new references to add, I would recommend this link - Referencing for beginners --Omarcheeseboro (talk) 21:45, 15 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete Insufficient notability to meet guidelines. ChildofMidnight (talk) 02:49, 16 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment: OK...if speedy delete is not appropriate, I'll change my vote to Strong Delete. Despite this editor's denial of conflict of interest and that the article is nothing more than pure promotion, s/he contradicts him/herself by writing (see above), "...This site provides me with an opportunity to celebrate their personal accomplishments." Sure sounds like pure promotion to me. Wikipedia is not about paying tribute to anyone or anything. Another thing, an article about the subject's brother doesn't belong on Wikipedia, either. -- Gmatsuda (talk) 08:05, 16 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
    • And what makes you think that the article as it currently stands is promotional? Despite xyr user name, Superdupereditor isn't the only person capable of editing this article, you know. Uncle G (talk) 23:56, 17 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment Deletion of this article would deprive non-admins of the joys of reading earlier versions such as this one. I have very mixed feelings about this inimitable article. -- Hoary (talk) 02:57, 18 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was Delete - Advertising - editor is using Wikipedia to push his website. No independent notability. --NrDg 16:25, 15 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Real Celebrity Profiles[edit]

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Article is on a website whose notability is not established, per WP:WEB. Very likely self-promotional spam. No sources. Ward3001 (talk) 01:56, 14 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

If no one is willing to expand it and clean it up and cite resources it should be deleted. Nick carson (talk) 02:49, 14 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was delete. MBisanz talk 02:56, 19 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Strategos (management consultants)[edit]

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Notability not asserted, it's just a small company with 35 employees. bogdan (talk) 01:51, 14 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. MBisanz talk 02:56, 19 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Aeroneering[edit]

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This article does not establish anything notable about the company Aeroneering. Dolphin51 (talk) 01:37, 14 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was Speedy deleted as vandalism (CSD G3) by PMDrive1061. --Ron Ritzman (talk) 02:43, 14 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Pokemon pearla[edit]

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This article does not establish any notability for this game. Looks unsalvageable. Delete.  Blanchardb -Me•MyEars•MyMouth- timed 01:37, 14 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I smell vandalism. Speedy deleting under WP:SNOW. --PMDrive1061 (talk) 02:00, 14 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was Keep film article. No Consensus on the two biographies. They might benefit from a seperate relisting but they are not geting full consideration as part of this omnibus listing. Eluchil404 (talk) 23:09, 17 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Heads or Tails (film)[edit]

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No notability asserted. Girolamo Savonarola (talk) 04:00, 3 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I am also nominating the following related pages because they fail the notability guidelines and exist solely for self-promotional usage, and as such fail AUTO and COI. Main editor of both, Maryannmann (talk · contribs), appears to be a SPA, and is demonstrably Jeff Keilholtz per this diff.

Jeff Keilholtz (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views)
Ditto for Maryann Mann Tedickey (talk) 13:44, 3 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Note Her notability as a writer is now sourced. Schmidt, MICHAEL Q. 23:28, 3 January 2009 (UTC) Minor sourcing only. Schmidt, MICHAEL Q. 04:17, 4 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep ONLY the film Keep All. With respects to the nom, and disregarding the author's COI as the articles now belong to Wiki... I found and others..... which all have coverage of the film or its filmmakers. Though not all are "in depth", the amount of coverage is significant and I believe the article and filmakers as notable enough to an asset to Wiki if the articles are cleaned up. Schmidt, MICHAEL Q. 21:13, 3 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
hmm- most of the pages that I found discussing Jeff were written by Maryann. And the Atlantic Free Press appears to be a blogfarm. Tedickey (talk) 23:37, 3 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
After deeper research, I agree.
  • Update I just finished preliminary sourcing of the film's article and have not used anything written by Maryann, finding significant coverage in WP:RS. Maryann's notability as a writer may be iffy, but the film's is not. Schmidt, MICHAEL Q. 00:26, 4 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
true (the film exists, though I've read some questionable pages on imdb...). My interest is in the two topics devoted to Jeff and his alias Tedickey (talk) 02:12, 4 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Paints Jeff as a very creative writer... but not a notable actor. Schmidt, MICHAEL Q. 04:17, 4 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
I accept the point and concur. Perhaps the Jeff and Maryanne articles might be combined as they being the same person... though I would not know who belongs to whom (chuckle), so I'll withdraw any keep opinions for them. However, I still feel the film Heads or Tails now has an established notability despite the original author. Maybe it would have been best to have not combined two BLP AfD's with one film AfD, but I trust that the nom felt the connections were important. I have modified my opinion above accordingly. Thanks. Schmidt, MICHAEL Q. 04:17, 4 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep Heads or Tails (film) and Jeff Keilholtz; they seem (just about) to pass our notability requirements. Delete Maryann Mann as it does not - that article doesn't have any references from secondary sources, and it doesn't appear that any exist. Terraxos (talk) 00:21, 9 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
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  • Delete Mann's article as a copyvio of this. (And how can you focus on something extensively?) Delete Keilholtz's article as asserting only the most minor of significance as an actor; as for writing, Keilholtz pens sociopolitical commentary under a pseudonym. He is published by a variety of publications. With no names and no evidence? As for the movie, I don't know. I see that it cost nothing to make, which might make it interesting. IMDB offers just on external review, but the website hosting it is dead. Morenoodles (talk) 09:59, 14 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • Strong keep per User:MichaelQSchmidt. now sourced, meets notability. travb (talk) 03:18, 15 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was delete. Mgm|(talk) 09:20, 14 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Detox MVC Engine[edit]

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I can't find any reliable sources that show notability. Fails WP:NOTABILITY. Schuym1 (talk) 03:51, 4 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. Stifle (talk) 11:21, 14 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Overseas Marine Certification Services[edit]

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No real claim in article of meeting WP:Notability. Gsearch turns up 33 non-wiki ghits, all of which appear to be directory listings and passing mentions. Zero gnews hits. Was deleted through prod in 2007; article creator asked for it to be restored several months ago, so taking to AfD instead of re-prodding. Fabrictramp | talk to me 17:52, 4 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

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  • Delete Doesn't seem notable and additionally it looks like it was lifted from another site Pstanton 01:21, 14 January 2009 (UTC)
  • Delete Unencyclopedic corporate profile that doesn't suggest notability. ChildofMidnight (talk) 07:14, 14 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was Speedy Keep, while there is one delete vote, it is based on a false assumption, and the nom has specifically stated they do not wish their opinion counted. Therefore closing as keep per WP:SNOW and WP:IAR. (non-admin close) Beeblebrox (talk) 16:56, 14 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Caesar Twins[edit]

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I previously prodded the article, which was removed recently. I am still not sure that these brothers meet the notability requirements. I post the AFD to garner other opinions on this matter, but would ask the closing admin NOT to factor in my opinion when it comes time to close. CaveatLector Talk Contrib

  • Speedy Delete If it was previously deleted, and brought back without a consensus you can speedy it per G4
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The result was delete. MBisanz talk 02:56, 19 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Loren Weisman[edit]

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I don't believe this article's subject meets the criteria for inclusion at WP:BIO, WP:CORP or WP:MUSIC. The article has been previously tagged for its overly promotional tone, although the tag was removed with none of the suggested changes made. I am unable to find much outside information about Mr. Weisman that wasn't written BY him. Joyous! | Talk 00:35, 14 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

  • I have added some of this content since the story was started a week and some ago. I am doing a research project on Music producers that are using different ways and approaches to help the music industry. I have grabbed a good deal of information from the various sites that are affiliated with Loren. However, there are numbers of sites with some listed as links of press releases, reviews and other information validating Loren and his work. What steps should be taken or additional information would be preferred? Thanks, Taylor Derringer —Preceding unsigned comment added by Derringer48 (talk • contribs) 02:20, 14 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • I just added a couple other items in the external links that I did not find directly from the primary sites. Is that better? Should there be more? I would like to make this page work and am new to Wikipedia. I am happy for any critique and criticism. Thanks. Taylor. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Derringer48 (talk • contribs) 02:56, 14 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • I am finding this process new and helpful and take no offense to the criticism or doubts. I am still working to compile the information I can outside of the links I supplied before. The research project is on touring, session and ghost drummers that have gone to producing and create a mark in music from out behind the kit for an MI Institute project. Drummers like Stan Lynch, Steve Jordan, Butch Vig, Narada Michael Walden, Mark Prator and numerous others have gone the drummer to producer route. The research project gets additional credit in the course if the information is on wikipedia 6 weeks after being posted because of the double checking, scrutiny and content checking that occurs here. I am still pulling together information and the links that are being requested, though it is some what of a challenge since a lot of the behind the scenes work is credited quietly and under other names. I will continue to look up and do what ever I have to do for this article and thank you all for your help and ideas. Thank you for your editing Steamroller.

Taylor

  • Comment. I am not exactly sure what type of supporting information needs to be added to this article. After doing another search on Loren Weisman I found several hundred references to his past and current work that have not been posted personally by him. He is - by way of what people say about him - a very improtant influence on the music industry. If someone could figure out how to work these refrences into the article, would that help to strenghten it's validity?

The references that I found are:

Drumming/Production credits 

1. Doug Hewitt
2. Chad Quist
3. Linq
4. Glen Stegner
5. Satisfied Drive
6. eNewsChannels

Reviews: 

1. Afcollective Acoustic Network
2. Watercourse Recording Studio
3. Clane Gessel Photography
4. Tamara Lewis
5. Vimeo
6. Testimonials

Thanks for all the tips. Wikibgekh —Preceding undated comment was added at 05:50, 15 January 2009 (UTC).[reply]

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The result was Withdrawn per Infrogmation. Schuym1 (talk) 01:40, 14 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

504 Records[edit]

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I can't find any reliable sources that show notability. Fails WP:CORP. Schuym1 (talk) 00:27, 14 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. MBisanz talk 02:47, 19 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

IRed Lite[edit]

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Completely insignificant product. Only gets 300 Google hits (less than my own name). Probably advertising. Bueller 007 (talk) 00:33, 14 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Maybe not--but did you look for any? Drmies (talk) 03:47, 14 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was delete. Sources? Charts? Anything? seicer | talk | contribs 02:42, 20 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

All Against All[edit]

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This is a fictional single, with none kind of source to prove its existence. Cannibaloki 00:16, 14 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I am also nominating the following related pages:

Demo '97 (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – unnecessary redirect, since it is a demo and fails WP:NALBUMS.
Bury Your Dead (The Haunted song) (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views)
D.O.A. (The Haunted song) (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views)
No Compromise (song) (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views)
The Drowning (song) (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views)
The Flood (The Haunted song) (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) Cannibaloki 00:28, 14 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was delete. MBisanz talk 02:49, 19 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Bezgovo cvrtje[edit]

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violates WP:HOWTO as Wikipedia isn't a recipe guide. It has no claim to any notability and is not encyclopedic Tavix (talk) 00:16, 14 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

  • Keep. Yes, it's a stub, but there's no recipe there and there never has been. If there was a transwikification to wikibooks would've been more appropriate. -Mgm|(talk) 06:00, 14 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep Short and to the point, but needs to be verified and expanded not deleted. ChildofMidnight (talk) 07:16, 14 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment A quick search indicates it is real and notable as an example of Slovenian cuisine. ChildofMidnight (talk) 07:18, 14 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete Needs to be better sourced or deleted. Unreliable as is. ChildofMidnight (talk) 18:35, 18 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep. The article had barely existed for two hours before it was prodded for the same reasons as above, plus it was "almost incomprehensible". I tried to fix the language, added a ref, and now it is precisely one of those stubs that may eventually grow, just like so many other Wiki articles have done (provided of course, it is not deleted).

    It's a national dish, wouldn't that be enough "claim to notability"? (I'm the sure the article creator has no knowledge of this wiki-speak).

    "Wikipedia isn't a recipe guide" - I don't see a recipe.

    "not encyclopedic" - here the nom leaves me in the dark, I think the real reason is IDONTLIKEIT, or should also Mavželj, the rest of Category:Slovenian cuisine, and yes Coleslaw and why not the rest of Category:American cuisine.

    Regards, Power.corrupts (talk) 07:31, 14 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

  • Delete It was created on the 6th, it is now the 14th, and it is still 1 sentence that looks like a recipe book excerpt. If the author was serious about expanding this article and making a claim of significance, it should have happened already. There has been more then adequate time. --Pstanton 09:39, 14 January 2009 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Pstanton (talk • contribs)
    • Calling it a national dish is a claim of significance. You seem to be reading different recipe books than I do, because that's not the sort of language a recipe book would use, anyway your view doesn't stroke with WP:DEADLINE. Who says it needs to be fixed immediately or even by the same author? There are no policies or guidelines to that effect. - Mgm|(talk) 13:38, 14 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
      • However, there are policies on verifiability. And when this came up on Proposed Deletion, I looked for sources. All that I could find was that "bezgovo cvrtje" means fried elder. I couldn't find a source documenting this as a national dish, or even as anything other than simply being frying as one way of cooking the plant. Even the Slovenian Wikipedia wasn't any help. Apparently sl:Črni bezeg can be sl:cvrenje, and that's it.

        I don't currently see how we can ever get beyond a 1-sentence permastub that essentially repeats its title, telling the reader, in translation, that "fried elder is elder that has been fried". Uncle G (talk) 00:19, 18 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I requested help at the Slovenian wiki sl:Pogovor:Črni bezeg, the answer given is:
It is a traditional Slovenian food. There is a mistake - there are fried elder flowers (not berries). --Pinky 17:43, 18. januar 2009 (CET) Power.corrupts (talk) 18:35, 18 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
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I added preparation into article. I can also add a reliable source (it will be in slovenian language). —Preceding unsigned comment added by Pinky sl (talk • contribs) 07:49, 19 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was delete. MBisanz talk 02:56, 19 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Gallery of Birmingham city centre images[edit]

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This is a gallery, and all except one promo image are on commons, so this file can be deleted. Snowman (talk) 00:13, 14 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

  • Comment - it would probably be good to wait a week or two so this can be copied over to commons. -Marcusmax(speak) 02:01, 14 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
    • All of the images are already on commons except for one photograph of a promotional image (File:MasshouseBirminghampromo.JPG), which may not have an appropriate copyright for commons. It seems to me that it is ready for deletion now. I said this in the deletion nomination. Snowman (talk) 09:26, 14 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • Close Wait for the images to be copied to the commons, give the creator a week in good faith to get that done, then speedy as transwikied. --Pstanton 09:49, 14 January 2009 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Pstanton (talk • contribs)
    • Comment. I guess that you did not check the images before you made that comment, which does not apply as all of the images are already on commons except for one photograph of a promotional image, which may not have an appropriate copyright for commons. Generally the image name on commons is different to the name on en wiki. In addition there has been a ((move to commons)) template header on the page since 3 June 2007 - added by this edit. Snowman (talk) 09:56, 14 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete. No-brainer. Not an appropriate subject for an article on WP, and not a transclusion candidate. Chris Cunningham (not at work) - talk 10:23, 14 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete — Wikipedia is not for galleries. Feel free to use a category, either here or at Commons. Stifle (talk) 11:24, 14 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete - WP is not picasa. Page deletion does not imply picture deletion (many of these pics are already used in proper articles) but the gallery page should go. Usrnme h8er (talk) 16:33, 14 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was no consensus. MBisanz talk 02:56, 19 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Valery Marakou[edit]

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Unable to find any English language refs suggesting the topic of this article is notable. If there are references in other languages giving rise to that conclusion, please identify. Generally, while the actions of state security in the Warsaw Pact countries were tragic and in aggregate notable, no every victim of those acts is automatically notable. Bongomatic 01:01, 9 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

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What's the notable element here? Am I missing something? The claims seem to be:
  • Mentorship of national poet
  • Published four books
  • Arrested by agents of State Security twice
  • Tortured and ultimately killed
  • Works posthumously documented in a monograph by nephew
None of these seems to be a de facto argument for notability if proved. Rather, these are all things that might have attracted significant coverage in reliable sources independent of the subject (i.e., not the nephew of the subject), and the question is--have they attracted such coverage? Bongomatic 08:19, 14 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Don't know how this "probability" can be assessed. The notability would not stem from being killed (unless specific victims were significantly coverage). Rather, it would stem from them receiving significant coverage. My guess (having spent time in the pre-Velvet Revolution Warsaw bloc) is that there were plenty of non-notable artists who were victims. Bongomatic 02:26, 15 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was merge to Pennsylvania Pit Bulls. Stifle (talk) 11:21, 14 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Pittsburgh Hardhats (basketball)[edit]

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This is a "non-team": It folded before it played any games! I fail to see how this merits notability. Tavix (talk) 01:28, 9 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. Mgm|(talk) 05:58, 14 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Eigenmath[edit]

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Non-notable freeware program, no reliable secondary sources. Not a bad-looking program, but not really encyclopedic. ~ JohnnyMrNinja 07:30, 9 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Weak delete: A lot of download sites offer the software. A few blogs mention it. Seems useful. But I could not find any good independent sources discussing it. Not notable. Perhaps deserves a mention in Computer algebra system. Aymatth2 (talk) 17:52, 9 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was no consensus. MBisanz talk 02:43, 19 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Lorrenzo Wade[edit]

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Does not meet general WP:N requirements: no coverage in reliable sources. Nor does it meet the exception found in WP:ATHLETE: not a professional basketball player. 2008Olympianchitchat 07:52, 9 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Comment Although the subject does not meet the "professional athlete" standard of WP:Athlete, is there significant coverage by reliable third party sources for him to be notable under WP:N? Cheers, Dlohcierekim 14:04, 9 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
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Delete - I wouldn't say "no coverage in reliable sources" per 1, 2, though the sources seem to be localized. Article does not assert notability, as mentioned does not meet WP:ATHLETE. --Omarcheeseboro (talk) 00:56, 14 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep - He was named a first-team all-Mountain West Conference player. That is plenty notable to me. Still, someone should add more information about his college career. GoCuse44 (talk) 19:20, 18 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
    • Comment - OK, well, I ended up adding a little more information about this player. He's definitely notable, but the paragraphs I put in about his college career could still use more beef to them. GoCuse44 (talk) 19:36, 18 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was merge to Dyosa. MBisanz talk 02:43, 19 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Mariang Sinukuan (Dyosa)[edit]

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Non-notable fictional character that is sufficiently addressed in main article. Bongomatic 09:09, 9 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. MBisanz talk 02:45, 19 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Duncan Turner[edit]

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Fails WP:N, WP:CREATIVE, and WP:ACADEMIC. I have found no evidence that this doctor has received any national notability in his field. His publications do not appear to have been cited elsewhere (and therefore have not made a significant impact in his field), and his society membership is non-notable as the "Society of Elite Laparoscopic Surgeons" is (by their own admission) freely open to all surgeons of any skill level. WikiDan61ChatMe!ReadMe!! 16:10, 9 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

  • Delete--I agree; vanity piece for someone with no reliable sources. Drmies (talk) 19:00, 9 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete per above. If he does become notable, however, Restore. -- MISTER ALCOHOL T C 20:08, 9 January 2009 (UTC)
  • Quick Keep This guy has multiple national publications since 1980 that span multiple peer review journals. Just his one article on laparoscopic entry is refernced by 13 different papers that google could find, and that's not his best work. You can google any of his publications and verify this. GOOGLE PAGE SHOWING ALL CITING HIM He is widely recognized by his peers as a leader in minimally invasive surgery, and anyone with a web browser can figure this out very quickly.

—Preceding unsigned comment added by 167.251.1.11 (talk) 20:21, 9 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I'm sorry, maybe my browser doesn't work so well. It does show me that the paper you refer to has a main author by the name of Dr. Feste (these names were left out of the original citation--I have edited the article to reflect this information, in the interest of full disclosure) and that the second paper (which I take it is his better work?), for which Dr. Duncan J. Turner is the sole author, shows no citations at all: a Google page. So this notability still is not established as far as I'm concerned, since Turner at the least will have to share the honor with Feste for the one article, and I can find no further references. Drmies (talk) 00:04, 10 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
The scholar.google.com is a tool that I'm not familiar with. Clearly this doctor HAS had some influence on his fellow doctors. That's the great thing about these AfD debates -- new information comes to light that can bolster notability that hasn't been established in the article itself. Now, perhaps if the anon IP editor could update the article to include the necessary references, the article will stand better. For now, I'll change my assessment to Weak Keep. WikiDan61ChatMe!ReadMe!! 12:59, 10 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete - The article is a stub at best anyway. Perhaps if it was expanded to explain the notability if any notability exists then it would be worth keeping. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Nathan Orth (talk • contribs) 03:05, 10 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep - Ok, I added a bunch of his notable society memberships, including some that have rigid requirements. Also added another of his publications. Forty years in obstetrics, all these publications and memberships, come on guys! Khollow (talk) 18:29, 11 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
I don't know about his memberships, but the revised article seems to suffer from a slight exaggeration: he has published THREE papers, and was the first author on only ONE, yet you added that "he is widely published"? He is NOT, especially not in the medical business. Drmies (talk) 03:56, 14 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
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  • Weak keep per Mgm below, fellowship of the Royal Society of Medicine may just pass WP:ACADEMIC, depending on your definition of "highly selective" and "major". Still, WP:ACADEMIC requires reliable sources to document this, so they need to be added. Delete A handful of published papers don't make someone notable (nearly every doctor has these). I can't see where he passes any of our notability guidelines. And I can't find information about him published in RS, so there's nothing to write an article with. Duncan Turner the sex attacker seems more notable. Phil153 (talk) 01:17, 14 January 2009 (UTC) Phil153 (talk) 10:58, 14 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete Does not qualify the notability guidelines. Just being in societies and publishing something doesn't make someone notable. Then I can get an article too. Chamal talk 02:24, 14 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep per WP:ACADEMIC criterion 3: "The person is or has been an elected member of a highly selective and prestigious scholarly society or association (e.g. a National Academy of Sciences or the Royal Society) or a Fellow of a major scholarly society for which that is a highly selective honor (e.g. the IEEE)". Since he's a fellow of at least two such organizations, he meets the criteria. - Mgm|(talk) 05:57, 14 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Comment I don't know that any of the "fellowships" listed fall under the category of "elected and a highly selective honor". Basically, most doctors are fellows of some society or another, which means that they have taken a qualification exam in their field of specialty. And the The Society of Elite Laparoscopic Surgeons is, by their own website's admission, open to anyone willing to join with no special qualifications at all other than being a practicing surgeon. However, Dr. Turner's publications DO seem to be reltatively notable. I'm concerned that the same author has introduced articles on MANY members of The Society of Elite Laparoscopic Surgeons in what I feel is a promotional campaign. WikiDan61ChatMe!ReadMe!! 13:37, 14 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Comment According to this, Fellowship in the RSM is "Available to those who hold a medical, dental or veterinary qualification; or who have higher scientific qualifications – and also those holding senior positions within the healthcare sector." Basically, the RSM is the British equivalent of the AMA -- become a doctor, pay a membership fee and you're in. According to this, fellowship in the RCP is available to any doctor willing to fork over ₤485 per year. These are NOT the same as IEEE fellowships, that are ELECTED and highly selective. They are simply membership levels. WikiDan61ChatMe!ReadMe!! 14:09, 14 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Comment. I stand corrected about the RSM (I should have known not to treat their Wikipedia article as a reliable source!), but fellowship of the RCP is by election [59]. The page that you linked says nothing at all like "fellowship in the RCP is available to any doctor willing to fork over ₤485 per year" - it simply says what the cost is for those who have been elected. Phil Bridger (talk) 14:42, 14 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Comment Now its MY turn to stand corrected. WikiDan61ChatMe!ReadMe!! 14:51, 14 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was keep. MBisanz talk 02:44, 19 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Marta Martin[edit]

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Bio of an American actress. Fails notability requirements, lack of third party coverage. Strongly suspect that either she or her husband also created her husband's article Shawn Amos, so also confict of interest in this potentially promotional case applies. ~Eliz81(C) 19:00, 9 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

  • There's a gigantic different between "guest actors" and "extras". Extras, by union definition, are not "featured" or have speaking lines on screen, while "guest stars" (what this person is credited for) do. That's why the latter are always credited and extras are rarely so. Speaking as a life-long television/film industry worker. --Oakshade (talk) 06:46, 14 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • The problem is that there's also a major difference between being on the standard cast and guest starring. Does she have one speaking line? 5? 10? Or were the roles something even more substantial? You can't tell from the article. - Mgm|(talk) 23:58, 14 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • It appears from her imdb listing that most of the guest roles were substantial, given that most of her characters had names, sometimes full names, and not mostly titles like "Girl #2." In several shows, her character has appeared in more than one episode, further indicating significant characters. It most cases, characters that are assigned names are significant characters.--Oakshade (talk) 00:06, 15 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
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Google web searches do not establish notability. This Google news search indicates a potential swath of reliable, third party sources devoted to coverage of Ms. Martin, of which there are none. She fails WP:BIO requirements for notability. ~Eliz81(C) 19:14, 17 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was keep. Stifle (talk) 11:21, 14 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

List of African golfers[edit]

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WP:LISTCRUFT - An unreferenced list. This category already covers all of the golfers by nationality, and does a better job than this list. Tavix (talk) 22:45, 9 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

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  • Keep can be worked on and made into an informative, good list with a respectable lede. An article or list being crappy right now is not a reason for it to be deleted. The question is whether or not it is notable, useful, and can be held within reasonable limits. This meets that standard. SMSpivey (talk) 03:41, 14 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was keep. (non-admin closure) Ron Ritzman (talk) 00:50, 18 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Aural Vampire[edit]

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Article on a Non notable band Archivey (talk) 23:35, 9 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

  • Comment - Googling suggests they have toured extensively in Japan and Europe but only performed in America once so reliable english sources on them are sparse. They recently signed with a major japanese label. Perhaps someone that knows japanese could do more research.Nathan Orth (talk) 03:33, 10 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment According to the Spanish Wikipedia article, they've been featured in two different German magazines (Astan Magazine and The Dose). I suggest more research in European languages as well. —Quasirandom (talk) 18:50, 10 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Other Wikis are not reliable sources, to appear on En Wikipedia it must assert notability, which it doesnt per WP:BAND Archivey (talk) 19:36, 12 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Ahem. This is why I didn't !vote keep based this. I was pointing out that coverage in other languages has been reported and needs to be searched for before we can conclude whether the band is notable. —Quasirandom (talk) 19:45, 12 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
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  • Keep Not everything out of focus is worth deleting. The article didn't harm anybody for the last two years and the band has lots of Google hits. BTW: She's the vampire, he's the killer.--Avant-garde a clue-hexaChord2 22:47, 14 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep I'd say keep it but it would need to be extended and made more reliable, there are no references or notes to suggest that anything within this article is true afkatk (talk) 04:18, 16 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
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