< April 19 April 21 >
Guide to deletion

Purge server cache

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was No consensus —  Tivedshambo  (t/c) 15:41, 26 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

AC/DC's fifteenth studio album[edit]

AC/DC's fifteenth studio album (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) (delete) – (View AfD)

Unconfirmed and unsourced article for the new AC/DC album. No-Bullet (TalkContribs) 01:06, 21 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.
The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was redirect to List of Baldur's Gate characters. Sandstein (talk) 06:45, 26 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Imoen[edit]

Imoen (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) (delete) – (View AfD)

Aricle about a fictional character from the Forgotten Realms campaign setting, which is which part of the Dungeons & Dragons franchise promoted by TSR, Inc. The article fails WP:NOT#PLOT and has no reliable source to demonstrate the notability of the fictional characters outside the D&D franchise from which it is derieved. The article's content is a synthesis of primary source material, written from an in universe perspective. Gavin Collins (talk) 00:41, 21 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]


The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.
The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was Delete, consensus is that the article fails the relevant notability guideline. Davewild (talk) 09:39, 26 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Jimmy Nichols[edit]

Jimmy Nichols (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) (delete) – (View AfD)

Doesn't seem to be a notable musician, despite having backed dozens of notable musicians – there are no evident sources pertaining to his individual notability. Ten Pound Hammer and his otters(Broken clamshellsOtter chirps) 23:29, 20 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I had failed to recognize a previous version without the copyright material or I would not have suggested the speedy. (Slaps self with trout.) Thus, the AfD is back on. The notability is somewhat unclear on this one. If WP:MUSIC is interpreted strictly, then this artist doesn't quite seem to make the cut. However, Wikipedia is not a bureaucracy and strict interpretation of guidelines is not always for the best. I would be inclined to say that he is notable. I admit it's a grey area, but a whole career of supporting work with many major artists seems at least as significant as a flash-in-the-pan artist who charts once and then never records or tours again after that. The one-hit wonder is notable per WP:MUSIC by virtue of charting; in my opinion, this guy is probably just as significant to the music industry, maybe more so. I would say: notable by a slight margin. The bigger issue, to me, is the lack of any references. I did a quick check of Google and Google news and found nothing that meets WP:RS, though I admit I did not look deeply. As it stands now, I would say weak delete based on lack of sources. If sources were provided, I think the artist is just notable enough to change to a weak keep, but only if at least one WP:RS compliant source is provided. To do otherwise sets a bad precedent; we have too much unsourced material already. OlenWhitakertalk to me or don't • ♣ 16:43, 21 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]
The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.
The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was delete. - Philippe 23:55, 25 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Yarmulke day[edit]

Yarmulke day (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) (delete) – (View AfD)

Nonnotable holiday, invented by one kid. Has a couple of local news sources, so not speediable, but no indication of notability otherwise. NawlinWiki (talk) 23:12, 20 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]


The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.
The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was delete. - Philippe 23:56, 25 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Elaine Caruana[edit]

Elaine Caruana (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) (delete) – (View AfD)

The article on Elaine Caruana was created after the death, in a car accident, of the person in question. It was only created as Elaine Caruana made the news, for the sole reason that she died in a traffic accident. Every traffic accident death makes the news in Malta. Previous to her death, she was not a well known personality in Malta, and, to this day, a Google search on her name results only in webpages which are related to her death in the accident - such as a memorial page, and the web archives of local newspapers. Just because she was a model, and possibly well known amongst her colleagues, doesn't mean she was notable. Moreover, just because she appeared on a (relatively unpopular) television program, as a model for clothes presented on the program, doesn't mean she was notable. With all due respect to the deceased woman, I do not think that a Wikipedia article about her is appropriate. The content of the article, which lists absolutely no particularly notable achievements, and demonstrates, as the only evidence of her "fame", the mere fact that she appeared as a clothes model on a television show, should be seen as further evidence for deletion. Yes, she was well known amongst her friends as being a friendly and nice person - however I'm sure almost all of us have known nice people who died, but we cannot validly create a Wikipedia article for each one of them. MaxCosta (talk) 22:51, 20 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]


The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.
The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was Redirected to List of Hillary Rodham Clinton presidential campaign endorsements as an ((R from other capitalisation)), an article that was created and split off from Hillary Clinton in February 2008. Zzyzx11 (Talk) 22:24, 20 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

List of hillary clinton presidential campaign endorsements[edit]

List of hillary clinton presidential campaign endorsements (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) (delete) – (View AfD)

Nothing more than a list (which only contains one thing anyway), which should be merged into Hillary Clinton presidential campaign, 2008 if it is considered appropriate, but I have an inkling it may not be as it seems to be somewhat lacking in material that would improve the article. asenine t/c 22:10, 20 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Author has requested deletion - please delete asenine t/c 22:21, 20 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]
The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.
The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was delete. - Philippe 23:57, 25 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Janelle Schlossberger[edit]

Janelle Schlossberger (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) (delete) – (View AfD)

This is an article about a high school girl who won a science competition for a "[not] shocking"[1] discovery relating to tuberculosis. The only coverage cited is a The New York Times article summarizing the competition and the press release from Siemens, who put on the competition. There's a lot of POV and OR in the article, and the information there not included in the only cited source makes me think that the author of the article personally knows the subject, raising conflict of interest and autobiography concerns. Her Google hits indicate that she is notable only for this one event. Ultimately, she won a contest with some unusually sophisticated results, but she isn't notable enough for a Wikipedia biography. Dylan (talk) 22:07, 20 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]


The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.
The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was Nomination Withdrawn. MrKIA11 (talk) 21:22, 25 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

SingStar (PlayStation 2)[edit]

SingStar (PlayStation 2) (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) (delete) – (View AfD)

Consensus was reached in December 2007 - January 2008 on the SingStar talk page that individual articles on each PS2 SingStar game should be replaced by a single List of SingStar titles article. The games -- while notable as a whole -- do not justify over 20 articles detailing the track list in every country. Specific Wikipedia policies that these articles fail include: WP:NOTABILITY, WP:INDISCRIMINATE

This AFD nomination includes the following articles (every PS2 game):

SingStar (PlayStation 2) (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views)
SingStar Party (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views)
SingStar Pop (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views)
SingStar '80s (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views)
SingStar Rocks (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views)
SingStar Anthems (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views)
SingStar Legends (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views)
SingStar Pop Hits (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views)
SingStar 90s (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views)
SingStar Bollywood (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views)
SingStar Amped (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views)
SingStar Rock Ballads (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views)
SingStar R&B (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views)
SingStar Summer Party (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views)
SingStar German Rock-Pop (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views)
SingStar German Rock-Pop Vol. 2 (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views)
SingStar Pop Hits 2 (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views)
SingStar: The Golden Age of Spanish Pop (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views)
SingStar top.it (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views)
SingStar Die Toten Hosen (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views)
SingStar Latino (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views)
SingStar Norwegian at Norwegian (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views)
SingStar Swede Hits Schlager (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views)
SingStar Après-Ski Party (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views)
SingStar Italian Party (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views)
SingStar Pop Vol. 2 (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views)
SingStar Country (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views)

Tntnnbltn (talk) 21:45, 20 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Sorry if I've listed this in the wrong place then. I didn't know whether this fell on the side of merging or deletion. (Indeed, I originally had merge tags put up before I moved this onto AFD). I just wanted to go through the proper channels, as deleting the content of 27 articles is no small feat. --Tntnnbltn (talk) 23:09, 20 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]
This would be merging, yeah. Follow the instructions at WP:MERGE and you should be good, especially given the consensus you mention in your nomination. Though, now that the AfD is open, you'll need to wait to do the work until it's closed (or you withdraw it). —Quasirandom (talk) 01:18, 21 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]
There already is a 'large' merged article at List of SingStar titles. It is only 46kb big, and is easier to navigate than the separate pages. --Tntnnbltn (talk) 04:49, 22 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]


The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.
The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was delete. - Philippe 23:57, 25 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Aaron Andersen[edit]

Aaron Andersen (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) (delete) – (View AfD)

I do not believe this software developer meets the criteria of WP:BIO. Though the article is referenced, few if any of the references actually demonstrate the notability of the individual, and the most important claims of notability (comprehensiveness and recognition of his website, and the conference presentation) are unreferenced or not supported by the references. And even if they were, they do not, in my opinion, constitute a body of work in the field sufficient for WP:BIO, nor does the individual seem to have been the subject of any significant coverage in reliable sources. Jfire (talk) 21:42, 20 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]


The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.
The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was redirect. non admin, dihydrogen monoxide (H2O) 01:01, 26 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I Need Your Love (Miami Sound Machine song)[edit]

I Need Your Love (Miami Sound Machine song) (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) (delete) – (View AfD)

Contested redirect. Article argues against its own notability "the song didn't impacted the charts and a commercial release was not launched." No reliable sources cited either. Beeblbrox (talk) 21:36, 20 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.
The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was Keep. There is consensus that retaining the information now in the article is considered worthwhile, when you combine the Merge and the Keep votes. The only merge targets actually suggested were Wikipedia and List of Wikipedias. There is hardly any place to put the merged information in List of Wikipedias. Even the fact that Mindong is written using the Foochow Romanized writing system won't fit there since there's only a one-line table entry for each Wikipedia. The option of merging is still available via the consensus of editors and requires no admin action if that's what you guys want to do. EdJohnston (talk) 04:13, 26 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Mindong Wikipedia[edit]

Mindong Wikipedia (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) (delete) – (View AfD)

Non-notable Wikipedia edition with only 180 articles. -- Prince Kassad (talk) 21:12, 20 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.
The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was Redirect to the album. EdJohnston (talk) 04:22, 26 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Grease Paint and Monkey Brains[edit]

Grease Paint and Monkey Brains (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) (delete) – (View AfD)

Non-notable album track; fails WP:MUSIC. Blackmetalbaz (talk) 21:11, 20 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.
The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was Redirect to the album.

Creature of the Wheel[edit]

Creature of the Wheel (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) (delete) – (View AfD)

Non-notable album track, fails WP:MUSIC. Looks like someone has created a page for basically every track on the album. Blackmetalbaz (talk) 21:05, 20 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.
The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was delete. - Philippe 23:59, 25 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Vernallagra[edit]

Vernallagra (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) (delete) – (View AfD)

It is a neologism and basically a copy of an article on another subject, complete with misleading pseudo-references, now deleted. Merenta (talk) 21:05, 20 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Kst447 (talk) 23:04, 20 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

--Dhartung | Talk 03:39, 21 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

--69.3.233.44 (talk) 06:28, 22 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]


The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.
The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was Redirect. Done. Rjd0060 (talk) 03:38, 26 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Blur the Technicolor[edit]

Blur the Technicolor (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) (delete) – (View AfD)

Non-notable album song, never released as a single. Closest claim to fulfilling WP:MUSIC would be a solitary cover on a White Zombie tribute album by a non-notable band... thus fails WP:MUSIC. Blackmetalbaz (talk) 21:01, 20 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]


The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.
The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was Delete. EdJohnston (talk) 04:46, 26 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Paul Leim[edit]

Paul Leim (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) (delete) – (View AfD)

Unreferenced article on a prominent but apparently non-notable studio drummer. Even if he does have his own model of snare drums, and even if he does have a rather impressive résumé, he doesn't seem to be the subject of any reliable third party sources, which would mean that he seems to fail WP:MUSIC. On top of that, the article reads almost like a copyvio or promotion piece. Ten Pound Hammer and his otters(Broken clamshellsOtter chirps) 20:54, 20 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.
The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was delete. - Philippe 23:59, 25 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Original Vindicators[edit]

Original Vindicators (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) (delete) – (View AfD)

Google finds 44 unique hits for "Original Vindicators" and the only source is the originator's website (which, incidentally, does not work for me either in Firefox or in IE). The originator is called "Rodcom". The author if this article is User:RODCOM. Guy (Help!) 20:23, 20 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

This shouldnt be deleted - I don't see the difference between this entry and the Avengers or the X-men entries. What makes this advertising and those entries not. And there are third party sources at The Museum of Black Superheroes.RODCOM (talk) 03:46, 23 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

  • I think you'll find that WP:BIAS applies more accurately to, say, writing articles about your own work. Incidentally, now you've fixed your site, I have a suggestion for you: before you attempt to launch a career as an animator, learn to animate basic movements like walking. Also, that music is not original is it? The performing rights people don't like copyright music being used without release or payment. Plus, people aren't going tot ake you seriously when your image galleries have "Web gallery generated by Web Gallery Wizard™" and the like all over them. Guy (Help!) 19:29, 25 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

If you spent this much effort creating instead of hating you wouldn't have time for this. Again I said "unduly bias", and you just proved my point.

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.
The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was delete. Sjakkalle (Check!) 07:59, 26 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Helicon Systems[edit]

Helicon Systems (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) (delete) – (View AfD)

Helicon Systems does not appear notable, article has been around since 2003 and has no references. It is me i think (talk) 20:06, 20 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.
The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was Keep, consensus is that the article is notable but suggest that unless reliable secondary sources are added to the article it will get nominated for deletion again in the future. Davewild (talk) 16:29, 26 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Secta Del Mesias[edit]

Secta Del Mesias (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) (delete) – (View AfD)

This sports grouping is not a team, as near as I can make out. It has only 21 Google hits, so I am pretty confident that it is non-notable. Creater of page removes speedy tags without comment, so it would be better to explore this issue at AfD. Phlegm Rooster (talk) 19:59, 20 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I have moved the AFD notice to a article that contained the proper name of the stable, the one that was first brought to AFD was a copy, in this case "Mesias" is capitalized since its the name of a wrestler. - Caribbean~H.Q. 00:20, 21 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Now as far as the article goes, I say keep, anyone that is familiar with Mexican wrestling can tell you that AAA is one of the two major promotions in the country, this was the top heel (that is "bad guy" in professional wrestling) stable in the company troughout 2007, Mesias even won a national "Top heel award" for his performance with the group last year. The problem here was obviously that the article's author botched the article's title (naming it Secta de mesias), there are certainly more search hits for the proper name [5]. - Caribbean~H.Q. 00:28, 21 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]
The Yahoo search gets 262 hits if you go to the end. And there already is an article for Asistencia Asesoría y Administración. Phlegm Rooster (talk) 00:47, 21 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Ahem, read above, that page is displaying "251 - 258 of about 5,150" hits. Anyway, that's not the point, the stable has been receiving a lot of media attention in Mexico, which should be enough to establish notability, its a matter of looking for it, particulary in written magazines. - Caribbean~H.Q. 01:21, 21 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]
That's because the search engine returns are considered to be so marginal that they are not reported. In any case, there are no "reliable third-party sources" as Atyndall points out below. Phlegm Rooster (talk) 04:49, 22 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Ah, so I guess all of the printed material published in Mexico isn't reliable? professional wrestling in Mexico is even covered in some mainstream magazines, these include corporate giants such as Univision [6]. - Caribbean~H.Q. 05:53, 22 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]
I'm sure Mexican professional wrestling is covered in Mexican media. However, this article is not on Mexican professional wrestling, but on Secta Del Mesias. If Secta Del Mesias is covered in some media, the thing to do is prove it. Phlegm Rooster (talk) 05:59, 22 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]
I you take some time to look into that link you will realize that Univision is already providing us a source for Mesias' return to AAA after competing in TNA, that is one reliable source, I can recall coming across at leadt three of those when working with Mesias' article a few months ago. - Caribbean~H.Q. 06:08, 22 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]
That article is a short notice that El Mesias, an individual wrester, is up to something. This AfD is for Secta Del Mesias. Phlegm Rooster (talk) 06:32, 22 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I says keep this page. That way more information about this AAA group could be known. talk) 17:18, 21 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

If anyone actually followed AAA you would know who these people are. The leader of the gro Mesias has not only been in the headlining feud for the title but with one of the top face for the company. Also Mesias is Judas Mesias on TNA wrestling. if you do a search on YouTube or any mexican wrestling site you will see that this group has grown in popularity. I did correct one error that I had with the Spelling of the name but other that that I have the information just shy of one major event in the storyline. All members now have their own bios up also.Ldeffinbaugh (talk) 01:21, 22 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.
The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was redirect to 2060s. Sandstein (talk) 06:48, 26 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

2060[edit]

2060 (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) (delete) – (View AfD)

This year is too far in the future to have an article on Wikipedia. Note that we don't have articles for the other years in the 2060s decade, e.g. 2061, 2062, 2065, 2069. RightGot (talk) 19:58, 20 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]


The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.
The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was delete.--Kubigula (talk) 03:13, 26 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Carlos Córdova[edit]

Carlos Córdova (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) (delete) – (View AfD)

This professor does not seem to meet any of the criteria of WP:PROF. I can find only one review of his book, a 117 word capsule review in Reference & Research Book News. His faculty bio isn't any help in establishing notability, and I can't find much on Google except his blog -- the domain name of which suggests that the article is an autobiography by Kilayeomi (talk · contribs). Jfire (talk) 19:41, 20 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]


The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.
The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was delete.--Kubigula (talk) 03:15, 26 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Beyond Postmodernism[edit]

Beyond Postmodernism (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) (delete) – (View AfD)

Breaching normal standards of wiki-manners by nominating this for deletion while it's still under construction, but this is clearly never going to be appropriate content. A totally unreferenced piece of original research and to make it valid would involve wiping it completely and starting again. iridescent 19:17, 20 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Ok guys, don't worry; please delete my contribution on the subject if you wish. I just wanted to make a sincere contribution on the subject, while there is lots of confusion out-there, see also the discussion about the article on post-postmodernism. You are right, a blg is a better forum for this! Thankx! — Preceding unsigned comment added by Erasmus2000 (talkcontribs) 20:56, April 20, 2008


The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.
The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was Delete, consensus is that the article fails the notability guidelines. Davewild (talk) 09:35, 26 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

SIMagine[edit]

SIMagine (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) (delete) – (View AfD)

This developer conference contest does not seem to rise to an encyclopedic level of notability. I can't find any significant independent coverage -- only coverage in press releases by conference sponsors or other affiliated organizations. Jfire (talk) 19:14, 20 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]


The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.
The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was Keep Editors may trim-out promotional spam as they see fit. Jerry talk ¤ count/logs 16:36, 26 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Helter Skelter (rave music promoter)[edit]

Helter Skelter (rave music promoter) (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) (delete) – (View AfD)

This company seems to fail WP:CORP. No evidence of notability is given, no sources have been added in over 2 years, the text seems promotional. CSD in 2005 and PROD in 2008 were contested however. B. Wolterding (talk) 15:04, 12 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

  • Comment. From my limited experience in the rave scene I have definitely seen the name Helter Skelter many times. It certainly seems to me that it is in fact a notable organisation and that sources probably do exist to demonstrate this, but I haven't been able to find any. ~ mazca talk 16:55, 12 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so that consensus may be reached.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Davewild (talk) 19:11, 20 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]
The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.
The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was Delete. Although the results are mixed here, the delete opinions carry stronger policy based rationales. Non notable fictional character, unreferenced article. Keeper | 76 | Disclaimer 17:49, 26 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Cassie Keller[edit]

Cassie Keller (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) (delete) – (View AfD)

Non-notable fictional character. Was previously prodded and deleted, but recreated. Stifle (talk) 19:07, 20 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.
The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was Keep. Although a merge might be appropriate, there is no consensus as to where a merge should happen (Mazda#Marketing v. Only the Strong). Should be discussed. Also, the article should be renamed per Dhartung to the proper title of the song, as originally recorded, with "Zum zum zum" being a redirect to that, per MOS. Keeper | 76 | Disclaimer 17:19, 26 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Zum zum zum[edit]

Zum zum zum (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) (delete) – (View AfD)

Non-notable song. Visor (talk) 19:05, 20 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.
The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was Delete. Rjd0060 (talk) 03:36, 26 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

The True Black Essence[edit]

The True Black Essence (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) (delete) – (View AfD)

Bootleg release with no independent notability. Fails WP:MUSIC, WP:V and WP:N Blackmetalbaz (talk) 19:02, 20 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]


The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.
The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was Delete, consensus is that the article fails the relevant notability guideline. Davewild (talk) 09:32, 26 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Patrick Briscoe[edit]

Patrick Briscoe (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) (delete) – (View AfD)

As it currently stands, this article is an advert (probably an autobiographical one, created by an SPA). The artist claims two albums, but at least one of them is self-released [13]. I'm sending it here to see whether someone finds is salvageable, otherwise I suggest deletion. Tagged with ((notability)) since last June. B. Wolterding (talk) 18:47, 20 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.
The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was speedy under G3 as a blatant hoax. —Scott5114 [EXACT CHANGE ONLY] 18:59, 20 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

The Thomas Mally Experience[edit]

The Thomas Mally Experience (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) (delete) – (View AfD)

Not notable. No sources. Not a single Google hit outside of wikipedia, not listed on the site of the label that is supposed to represent them. Not found in searches of the People or Blender magazine sites, or the Today show site, in spite of claims of having appeared in all three. (I suspect that some of these claims are false) Dawn Bard (talk) 18:46, 20 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I am also nominating the following related page because if they aren't notable, neither is there forthcoming album:

Back to the Face (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views)

Dawn Bard (talk) 18:46, 20 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.
The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was Merge and redirect to 2004 United States election voting controversies would appear to best satisfy (or least dissatisfy) concerns raised in this discussion. I've redirected the articles, and suggest interested editors recover whatever content is recoverable therefrom - David Gerard (talk) 15:27, 25 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

2004 United States presidential election controversy and irregularities[edit]

2004 United States presidential election controversy and irregularities (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) (delete) – (View AfD)

Other articles nominated:

I am nominating this and a collection of sub-articles listed above. These articles have been longtime problems, violating the spirit of NOR by stitching together isolated news stories to, by implication, paint a picture of a large swath of problems with the 2004 US Presidential election. The problem is that the view that there was significant controversy is a fantastically fringe view, and that only a handful of the individual events mentioned in any of these articles are remotely encyclopedic. Stitching them together into a monstrously long sequence of articles does not fix the problem. There may be an article to be written on the conspiracy theories surrounding this election, but none of the articles here are appropriate as starting points for the article, and they should be cleared out. An appropriate article would note that the view that there were serious issues with the vote is a fringe view, supported in X ways, and criticized by Y for Z. It would not be a scattered collection of news stories covering minor and insignificant ephemera that is stitched together to give the misleading impression that there is a larger topic. Phil Sandifer (talk) 18:37, 20 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Looking more closely, it seems JamesMLane has a point and 2004 United States election voting controversies is noticably better than the others and should maybe be kept. So I'll vote keep that one, but delete the rest as redundant, POV, OR, argumentative junk. From looking at the votes below so far, I'd like to point out that most of the keep votes seem to mostly refer to this one, and it looks like we might have a split decision here, though it's too early to tell. I hope the closer will examine this closely, and not automatically render one verdict for the entire group. -R. fiend (talk) 12:54, 21 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]
You are doubtless aware that the NPOV policy allows for reporting facts about opinions. Take as an example the first paragraph under Recounts. It reports Nader's charge that there were irregularities and that they favored Bush. It has a citation. That's neither POV nor OR. If you think there are specific statements in the article that are POV or OR, you might point them out. The comments by you, R. fiend, and Bonewah give an impression of good-faith attempts to fix problems, ruthlessly rebuffed by a cadre of left-wing POV-pushers. I haven't been much involved in the other articles so I won't comment on that charge as it applies to them. As to the 2004 United States election voting controversies article, however, that impression is clearly misleading. Look at the edit history and the talk page and you will see no such record. I consider it improper to try to delete an article on the bases you've stated when the issues haven't been raised in the appropriate way, i.e., at the article itself. It gives the strong impression that the real basis for the proposed deletion is guilt by association. "Delete 'em all and let God sort 'em out" is not a sensible process.
Incidentally, there were prior deletion attempts as to the first-named article and, I think, many of the others. Don't AfD rules require that prior deletion attempts be disclosed? Isn't such disclosure especially appropriate where one of those attempts results in a "keep" after almost 90% of those commenting favored keep?JamesMLane t c 04:30, 21 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]
I said content fork, not POV fork - I see plainly what the intent of the fork is. However, it still suffers from the stringing together of insignificant instances into a topic where none exists.
As for the rest, if I have inadvertently presented myself as somebody who keeps track of AfD rules (or any other rules) I most sincerely apologize. Phil Sandifer (talk) 04:50, 21 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]
There indeed was a previous AFD on some of these (I remember taking part), but I can't seem to find them. If anyone can, by all means provide links. -R. fiend (talk) 04:58, 21 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  • At a glance, most of those seem like general articles on electronic voting and the associated controversies. To be clear, I think that's a huge issue, but I think it's deeply misleading to portray the 2004 election as an independent topic in that issue. There may be a sub-article to write on e-voting and the 2004 election, but it's a sub-article of the e-voting article, not of the election controversy article. Phil Sandifer (talk) 20:11, 21 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  • Hmm. Every article except the general e-voting one and the Nov 2005 one specifically mentions the 2004 presidential election in its title. The first article uses a county in Ohio as its primary focus. The one article (aside from the admittedly general one) that doesn't mention the 2004 presidential election in its title mentions it within the first few sentences in the abstract. All of these focus on the presidential election in 2004 with a minor focus on ohio. I'm not saying that those articles make the same claims as the authors of this wiki entry, of course they don't. but I can't agree with your statement that the articles I linked only tangentially address the 2004 presidential elections. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Protonk (talkcontribs) 21:07, 21 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]
I don't believe that's true, at least for the subarticle I'm most familiar with (2004 United States presidential election controversy, exit polls). It contains much more detailed information on this topic than the main article (2004 United States presidential election controversy and irregularities) does, so it is a spinoff article, not a content fork. Most of the extra information has references, just not in the current footnote style. -- Avenue (talk) 12:28, 21 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Clarification: I support a merge of 2004 United States presidential election controversy and irregularities into 2004 United States election voting controversies and the various subarticles. At this point I suspect all the subarticles will still be needed, even after cleanup of any POV or poorly referenced statements, but I have no objection in principle to merging any of these into the main article if this can be done without overburdening it with detail. I do think AfD is a needlessly confrontational arena for discussing these possibilities (especially given the strong feelings people evidently have about the subject matter), and that this should instead be done through the article talk pages. -- Avenue (talk) 08:41, 22 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]
From the top of these articles' talk pages, here are links to their previous VfDs:
A previous group VfD included Wikipedia:Votes for deletion/2004 U.S. election voting controversies, Florida. That article has since merged into United States presidential election in Florida, 2004. This may support the hope that these articles can be cleaned up. -- Avenue (talk) 12:15, 21 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Wow. Has it really been four years since these went up last? Eesh. There was also, I believe, an arbcom case on the matter, the end result of which was to put the articles on probation. That didn't seem to help them much. Phil Sandifer (talk) 14:06, 21 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]
"to adequately catalog and describe the travesty and embarrassment that these articles are. " Certainly neither the pinnacle of nuetrality, nor the words of a man who wants people to form their own opinions. But at least we agree on one thing, in words if not in deeds. Kevin Baastalk 17:59, 21 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]
I was unaware that NPOV was now being taken to apply to comments in deletion discussions. Phil Sandifer (talk) 18:03, 21 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]
I didn't know that either. That's certainly something I would take issue with. However, i don't think that's the case. Anyways, I hope that my point was not missed. Kevin Baastalk 18:12, 21 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Let me rephrase the first part of what i said. "Certainly not the words of a person motivated by objective analysis," - is what i meant to say. This first point was that with the cited words you just proved what i had said in the comment that they were a response to. I just found that ironic. Kevin Baastalk 18:19, 21 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]
You seem to be arguing that because I think these articles are absolutely awful I must be motivated by something other than objective analysis. This seems puzzling to me, as the articles are transparently awful - nobody other than you on this AfD seems to have any belief that the articles are not rife with OR and POV violations. There seems to be a disagreement on whether to trust the articles to fix themselves or whether to declare them a lost cause, but nobody other than you seems to think they meet the standards of acceptability. Is it possible that, in fact, I have made an objective analysis, and the real problem is that the articles are bad articles, not that I'm a terrible, evil POV pusher? Phil Sandifer (talk) 20:13, 21 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]
You seem to be - shall i say - promoting a certain characterization of the articles - without - shall we say - providing any specific analysis. I would say it is possible that you have made an objective analysis, but that there is, so far, no evidence to support that claim. All you seem capable of doing is throwing huge sweeping insults at the content. That's all i see you do here and that's all i saw happening four years ago. If someone really sees ways that the articles can be improved - great! Then improve it in those ways. Destructive criticism is not constructive, and will not become any constructive by making it more egregious and vague. Kevin Baastalk 20:34, 21 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]
That's just untrue, on a number of levels. First of all, editing the articles is far from as simple as you suggest, since you'll be quick to revert them. Second of all, I have offered specific comments here. I have pointed out that the articles are a compendium of trivia that does not establish an overall perspective that there is a coherent topic. I have noted that the most significant claims to notability - Congressional hearings and a formal objection to certification - are buried 4000+ words in the articles. I have identified at least one specific claim that does not have a clear relation to the idea that there is a larger topic here. And, four years ago, I offered analysis of every single source in one of the articles to demonstrate the shoddy sourcing practices the articles were based on. Phil Sandifer (talk) 20:41, 21 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Again you're imagining things. If i recall correctly you made a bunch of vague complaints on the talk pages and everyone was asking you how the articles could be improved and you never gave one suggestion and never made one edit. So obviously, you wouldn't know. And obviously you don't know because what you said about my editing is just plain wrong. And you have never done anything to improve the articles. Your list of some of the sources you don't like was not in a form that peopel could discuss it and when asked to put it in a form so that we could discuss the sources you declined. And 'lo and behold, there was no discussion. If i recall correctly. Yes, making edits is a little more difficult than that. You have to work cooperatively with other people towards consensus. And in some point in the process you have to hit the "edit this page" button and make an improvement to the article. Kevin Baastalk 15:33, 22 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Your being dishonest here Kevin, I tried to fix problems diff with 2004 United States presidential election controversy, vote suppression vis-a-vie WP:SPS, voicing my concerns in advance on the talk page [diff] only to have you revert without comment [diff]. When you did finally comment i was subjected to a long and tedious [argument] concerning the validity of a defunct weblog. As you can see, my complaints and edits were highly specific and include the relevant wiki rules WP:SPS and WP:PROVEIT. Please note that the article is currently on kevin's preferred edit. Bonewah (talk) 20:54, 21 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]
No, I'm not being dishonest here. I wasn't talking about you. You deleted half the article, then i asked you why and you gave some reply about some detail about some material in one of the many sections you deleted - and you weren't even clear about that. Then we discussed it for a while, and then you suddenly deleted half the article again. Very odd, but qualitatively different. On a positive note, progress was made in discussion about a lawsuit, but so for i haven't seen any of that incorporated into the article. I find it odd that you choose to delete half the article again instead of working together on a section of it that we've been having productive discussion on. Kevin Baastalk 14:54, 22 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]
The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.
The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was no consensus to delete, defaulting to keep (non-admin closure). Issues of cleanup, sourcing and merging are better suited to talkpage discussion. Skomorokh 01:15, 26 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Magic Sing[edit]

Magic Sing (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) (delete) – (View AfD)

Seems non-notable and borderline spam. I have removed some spam links to this company added by the user. BananaFiend (talk) 10:24, 11 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]


Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so that consensus may be reached.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Mister Senseless (Speak - Contributions) 18:11, 20 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]
The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.
The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was Delete, consensus is that the article fails the relevant notability guideline. Davewild (talk) 09:29, 26 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

AN (band)[edit]

AN (band) (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) (delete) – (View AfD)

Non notable band that fails WP:MUSIC. No tours, no notable label, and only one full length release. Look at the sources given too, only a home page and the metal archives. Delete Undeath (talk) 12:11, 11 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Delete I've changed my mind. Three mentions are just not enough in my view. --Bardin (talk) 06:10, 25 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so that consensus may be reached.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Hersfold (t/a/c) 18:08, 20 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]
The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.
The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was delete. Carioca (talk) 00:48, 26 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Callahanistan[edit]

Callahanistan (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) (delete) – (View AfD)

A fictional country that is a contested PROD. A grand total of four Google hits are found, meaning no coverage in multiple independent reliable sources. Wikipedia is not for things made up one day. ~ Eóin (talk) 18:07, 20 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]


The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.
The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was Delete, no evidence (in reliable, third party sources) of notability. Keeper | 76 | Disclaimer 17:15, 26 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Hi-Fly[edit]

Hi-Fly (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) (delete) – (View AfD)

Non-notable producer. Has worked with a couple of notable artists (claimed—nothing from a reliable source) but no hit tracks/albums, etc. Fails WP:MUSIC and WP:BIO. —Hello, Control Hello, Tony 13:36, 11 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

  • Reply: Well, those stats suggest that he is clearly known throughout the world. There's YouTube and MySpace "celebrities" listed on WIkipedia so how could those not count? Hi-Fly is #1 on MySpace's Hip Hop chart in Finland. I can't really search the info of how "Wybacz" did on the charts since I don't know Polish. You can find the album on Polish Wikipedia at http://pl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stawiam_sobie_pomnik but I don't know what it's saying. I do personally have some of the records he has production work on and that are listed on his production credits but I'm not really sure what should be the reliable source. Even Just Blaze's discography seems to have same kind of problems here in Wikipedia. You can find the records online but the productions credits are only inside the booklets, not on some Amazon.com info where they sell them for example. What I have found is an interview of Patriarch about his album "Son Of A Refugee" and he mentions Hi-Fly and also an interview of M-Eighty about his album where he mentions Hi-Fly. Both of these independent albums did very well but I'm not sure it's very relevant. I can get the links if needed though. The point of my previous message is that Hi-Fly is a bigger name than the artists or records he produces even though has has produced notable artists. Even Allhiphop.com asked him out about carrying Finland in his back hip hop wise. I've also read that Hi-Fly's future releases include Axl Smith's debut album. He is a huge star in Finland; the main host of MTV Finland. I simply don't see the point in deleting this article since he is known and doing bigger and bigger records. I understand that there's not too many sources but that's just how it is for most music producers. Media's interest is in the artists and not the producers who contribute even more. Jingi (talk) 07:04, 15 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Media's interest is in the artists and not the producers who contribute even more. This would suggest he isn't notable. --neonwhite user page talk 23:43, 20 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]
So you're suggesting all music producers should be deleted from Wikipedia? Come on. Jingi (talk) 10:37, 23 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  • Not all music producers—just the ones who don't produce hits or garner media attention. To use your own example, check out the Google News archive results for Just Blaze. See all those articles? That is a notable producer. —Hello, Control Hello, Tony 10:44, 23 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]
That was not the point. He based his opinion on the sentence Media's interest is in the artists and not the producers who contribute even more. This is getting side track. On another note Hi-Fly is the kind of name that is really hard to Google. Jingi (talk) 10:57, 23 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]
I don't think that's what he was saying. And it's not too hard a name to Google if you add the word "producer": exampleHello, Control Hello, Tony 11:18, 23 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]
I was referring to these comments. I understand that there's not too many sources but that's just how it is for most music producers. Media's interest is in the artists and not the producers who contribute even more.. You seem to be defending this subject's notability by explaining exactly why it's not notable. If there aren't sources about a subject and there is no interest in it, then it's not really notable. --neonwhite user page talk 00:11, 26 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  • Reply: I added couple sources to the article Jingi (talk) 10:52, 15 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so that consensus may be reached.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Hersfold (t/a/c) 18:07, 20 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Right now I see 4 sources in the article. You don't see any? That's weird. If you think they aren't reliable take them off. Jingi (talk) 10:51, 23 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]
None of the sources show notability. The claims he's referring to are unsourced. —Hello, Control Hello, Tony 11:18, 23 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]
It's funny how you keep putting words into other people's mouths here. Jingi (talk) 11:46, 23 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]
The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.
The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was Delete, consensus is that the article fails the relevant notability guideline. Davewild (talk) 09:16, 26 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Betty Big Boom Band[edit]

Betty Big Boom Band (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) (delete) – (View AfD)

Barely notable (if that). So Prepple Houmb played bass in 1987 in a pre-cursor to Betty Big Boom Band, and left before it became Betty Big Boom Band. None of the extensive list of members of Betty Big Boom Band have articles. Google only finds self-promotion URLs. Delete - or maybe redirect to Prepple Houmb. Kingturtle (talk) 13:46, 11 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]


Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so that consensus may be reached.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Hersfold (t/a/c) 18:05, 20 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]
The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.
The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was Delete. Consensus is small here, but combined with the other spammy deletes from this same vein, both deleted, the consensus is that there is nothing notable here. Keeper | 76 | Disclaimer 17:12, 26 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Ciiv[edit]

Ciiv (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) (delete) – (View AfD)

Part of a string of recently-created non-notable articles involving Dwight Tom and his enterprises. References 2-3 are first-party, whereas references 4-6 are forum posts. Finally, Reference one states that this product hasn't even been released yet: "Consumer models to arrive in Spring 2009." So Awesome (talk) 17:55, 20 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.
The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was merge and redirect to NCR Corporation. Dreadstar 17:01, 27 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

NCR 5xxx[edit]

NCR 5xxx (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) (delete) – (View AfD)

To me, the product series described here seems non-notable; the article is entirely unsourced. PROD was contested with comment: "seems notability, there are almost certainly references". I'm not so optimistic in that respect. Automated teller machines are not really consumer hardware, they're not typically subject in the main stream media, and substantial coverage about the series or individual models seems unlikely to me. Using Google, I found a number of vendors' sites, but these do not confer notability. B. Wolterding (talk) 16:22, 11 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]


Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so that consensus may be reached.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Hersfold (t/a/c) 17:49, 20 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]


The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.
The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was Delete, consensus is that the article fails the notability guidelines at this time. Davewild (talk) 09:13, 26 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Shooting elvis[edit]

Shooting elvis (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) (delete) – (View AfD)

Contested PROD. Non-notable record label launched last month, none of its current artists have articles on Wikipedia, no sources in article to illustrate its notability. Google search for "Shooting Elvis" with record label gets 93 unique hits. Roleplayer (talk) 17:48, 20 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

this label is pretty cool, got the first release - i agree about the steve bug point. there definatly needs to be more articles on techno —Preceding unsigned comment added by 92.232.68.169 (talk) 16:21, 22 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.
The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was Delete, consensus is that the article fails the relevant notability guideline. Davewild (talk) 09:10, 26 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Associated Students of the University of Hawaii[edit]

Associated Students of the University of Hawaii (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) (delete) – (View AfD)

Not notable local student government association. No real reliable sources (just links to alumni pages and school site.) Makes no assertion of notability. Original research. SevernSevern (talk) 17:49, 11 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]


Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so that consensus may be reached.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Hersfold (t/a/c) 17:44, 20 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]
The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.
The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was speedy delete by me. J Milburn (talk) 18:22, 20 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Josiah leming[edit]

Josiah leming (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) (delete) – (View AfD)

Someone who was eliminated from American Idol and has since set up a myspace profile. Totally unreferenced, the claim that he is rumoured to have a record deal with Warner Brothers in unsubstantiated. Roleplayer (talk) 17:43, 20 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

  • Comment I didn't see that because of the different capitalisation. Duly tagged for speedy deletion. -- Roleplayer (talk) 18:12, 20 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]
The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.
The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was delete. Once more information is released as it goes into production then it can be recreated. It doesn't meet our standards right now though. Wizardman 17:21, 26 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Manson Girls[edit]

Manson Girls (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) (delete) – (View AfD)

Future film that is in the real early stages. Doesn't meet the requirements of WP:NFF. brewcrewer (yada, yada) 18:36, 11 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]


Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so that consensus may be reached.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Hersfold (t/a/c) 17:41, 20 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]


The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.
The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was Redirect is the most policy based option here. Nothing really to merge. However, the page histories of all three articles of the singles (all of which I'm redirecting in a minute here), will be intact per GFDL and if anyone wants to mine the contents to expand the album article. ---- Keeper | 76 | Disclaimer 16:57, 26 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Cause to Love You[edit]

Cause to Love You (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) (delete) – (View AfD)

Non-notable single, fails WP:MUSIC ukexpat (talk) 18:53, 11 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Comment - not sure what there is to merge. The album article already lists them as tracks. – ukexpat (talk) 00:28, 12 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Aww, mindless rubbish really, like the order of the single releases, and the info on the fact this one made it to the charts, just to fill out the album article more I guess.  Esradekan Gibb  "Talk" 11:39, 13 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so that consensus may be reached.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Hersfold (t/a/c) 17:37, 20 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]
The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.
The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was Delete, consensus is that the article fails the notability guidelines. Davewild (talk) 09:06, 26 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Maribato[edit]

Maribato (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) (delete) – (View AfD)

I'm concerned about the notability of this game. It is dojin soft and only gets about 1100 google hits. Google hits aren't everything, (which was the reason why the proposed deletion was removed) but I believe they indicate that few further reliable sources could be found for the game's development and reception, for example. I believe the proposed guideline Wikipedia:Notability (toys and games), provides some food for thought on this issue. Malkinann (talk) 20:02, 10 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I imagine that any "merge" would end up being a redirect to the main series article for reasons of notability and undue weight, with about as much detail there as for the other doujin games - a name, genre and developer. -Malkinann (talk) 01:15, 19 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so that consensus may be reached.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Hersfold (t/a/c) 17:33, 20 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]
The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.
The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was Delete, consensus is that the article fails the relevant notability guideline. Davewild (talk) 09:02, 26 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Dwight Tom[edit]

Dwight Tom (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) (delete) – (View AfD)

Self-promotional article lacking any third-party sources. Users involved in creating this article have also created spammy articles such as Ciiv and CLUXc. So Awesome (talk) 17:08, 20 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.
The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was keep. John254 23:31, 24 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Och aye the noo[edit]

Och aye the noo (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) (delete) – (View AfD)

WP:DICTIONARY and it is a very non notable term Barryob (Contribs) (Talk) 16:59, 20 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.
The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was delete. Consensus by editors who do not have a conflict of interest about the subject is that this is not a notable publication. Sandstein (talk) 06:41, 26 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

The Stinger Report[edit]

The Stinger Report (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) (delete) – (View AfD)

Article written like a puff piece; most of the sources are either just text from the report (not information about the report itself) or interviews with the founder. None of them are sufficient to establish notability. Veinor (talk to me) 16:08, 20 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

As the author of this page I do take offense to the claim of it being a 'puff piece'. I have taken information from our own sources - but also from trade websites (1up, SPONG, Insidecoinop, etc) that use the report so giving information of the work - making it available to others. I included the interview with the founder as it describes the market and the formation of the Stinger - if this is felt to be puff then it will be removed. What should be kept in the piece to full fill the Wiki requirements? Stingerreport (talk) 16:31, 20 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

The page has been gone over again looking for any claims and repetition and edited. I need to know what more can be done as I seem to find that this page is like others and not unusual? Stingerreport (talk) 16:43, 20 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

A general rephrasing of a lot of the article, for starters. Compare the first few sentences to the introductory paragraphs of, for example, Time magazine's article. Time's article has much more neutral, encyclopedic phrasing, whereas the one on The Stinger Report reads more like something you'd find on an "About Us" page, if you get what I mean. Same goes for the 'description' section. It's not something I can really put into words, but it's a general 'non-encyclopedic' feeling I get from it, like the difference between reading a newspaper article and one of those big full-page advertisements that looks like an article and has 'advertisement' in fine print on the bottom.
As for the references, here's my evaluation of them one by one: the Arcade Renaissance links are pretty short and doesn't really say anything about Stinger per se, it just passes on information. It'd be like if we used Microsoft press releases to write the article on Microsoft. The first two spong.com references are both written by the founder, leading to a clear conflict of interest; to continue the Microsoft analogy, it'd be like if we wrote the Microsoft article using stuff that Bill Gates wrote. Not to mention the fact that, again, they don't even mention Stinger except for in the line at the very end. As for the interview, it might be useful for an article on arcade machines in general, but as with all the other ones, it doesn't provide any information about Stinger. And finally, the 1up article you linked to just has a quote from Kevin Williams; again, no information about Stinger.
The common thread here is a total lack of information about Stinger. For example, looking through all the references you provided, I couldn't even find out when Stinger was founded or when the first issue was published. Ultimately, this means that it'll be pretty much impossible to write a good, encyclopedic, neutral article about it. Veinor (talk to me) 16:49, 20 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you Veinor for your information and observation. If I read this correctly you would need the description changed, and links found that are not written by Stinger, but are about Stinger for the reference. I propose to undertake this now and when completed need to know if this is in a direction that Wiki can support Stingerreport (talk) 17:08, 20 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

The Page has been paired down of reference about the founder, the interviews, and uses references only talking about the Stinger Report and not written by the Stinger. Also details on the service operation and areas of coverage have been extended - with a re-write of the start and description as suggest. Please can you confirm this is more in keeping with Wiki requirements? Stingerreport (talk) 17:50, 20 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I do agree that this is, at the very least, a step in the right direction. The issue of the article's tone, while still somewhat advertorial, is not so bad that it would warrant deletion. However, the links are still, at least in my opinion, not enough to warrant inclusion. The insertcredit.com one seems to be mostly about the mustache in the picture, and the GameSetWatch link, while providing some information, appears again to be more meta-commentary on the issues the report covers rather than the report itself. And as I said before, the 1UP link doesn't really say much about the report. Veinor (talk to me) 23:22, 20 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you Veinor for your support in helping us understand the requirements of what is quite a different process than we are use to. I would however request Sting that he dose not allude to The Stinger Report as "amounts to email spam", not matter meant as a question this can be taken the wrong way. In answer to your last points:

You have to understand that we created this page as a number of Wiki pages / categories (Exergaming, Simulator Rides, Video Arcades etc.,) are using quotes, links or direct cuts from the Stinger Report and we felt a pages was needed - it would seem weird that they can use our material but we are unable to have a page.

Finally I am concerned that because of the size of the amusement media scene we are used widely by the trade and have a established track record, but are limited to references other than our work being used by everyone. I notice our industries largest trade journal (RePlay) has not been given a Wiki entry because it only has its reference. Is this the case for Wiki entry, as I feel uncomfortable to a possible exclusion of amusement trade? Stingerreport (talk) 01:58, 21 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

The article claims that The Stinger Report is "a free subscription service with subscribers from around the world." How many actual "subscribers" are there?--Sting au Buzz Me... 03:14, 21 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

The Stinger Report is circulated to over 10,000 subscribed and verified email addresses over six times a month. Subscribers can sign up at the web site or approach the Stinger directly. This is stated in the Page, though the circulation number is not as it was claimed that this would be 'puffing' us up if we reported our numbers?? Dose this address your question? 84.9.85.219 (talk) 10:53, 21 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Yes that answers the question thank you. You have also left this message on my talk page. There is no need to message me there as I am now watching this AfD.--Sting au Buzz Me... 22:31, 21 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

This is the second time that some one has just turned up made a sweeping statement, then asked for Deletion. We entered this Page after a number of Wiki sites used information or sources from The Stinger Report - I can not see how creating an entry is not going to promote ANY service or business. Though I do not see a order for deletion from the Computer Games magazine entries or the other Newsletters? Is there a specific area of this page that could be changed that would not be seen as claimed promotion - or was this comment just made as a simple sweeping statement rather than a way to be constructive. We have done EVERYTHING asked to change alter or add to made this site suitable! Stingerreport (talk) 12:08, 22 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Again much appreciation in taking the time to supply us pointers in the coverage of the page in question; I have read the sources you pointed me towards and have this issues:

I notice that some of the criticisms of the Stinger page have swapped, as if some who originally claimed that it was ‘puffing’ now say it is not informative. It also has been edited to address the requests, and I have even supplied subscription information to address a unfounded claim of being internet spam! I would be interested in what else I am going to have to supply – especially as I notice that equivalent pages of similar services (xx) seem to have gone unquestioned into the site? Stingerreport (talk) 14:54, 22 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

First, let me say that your argument based on other pages' existence is fallacious; many pages exist that should not, and many pages do not exist that should.
Again, the issue at heart here is not the promotion of the page. If I felt the page was biased, yet about a notable subject, then I would support keeping it (although of course rewriting it would be good). But here I quote from the general notability guideline: "If a topic has received significant coverage in reliable sources that are independent of the subject, it is presumed to be notable...."Significant coverage" means that sources address the subject directly in detail, and no original research is needed to extract the content. Significant coverage is more than trivial but may be less than exclusive." I ask you, which one of these sources provides coverage about Stinger itself? Here is my analysis of each link in the References and External Link sections:
  1. The 1up.com reference doesn't say anything about Stinger itself, it just has a quote from Kevin Williams which doesn't even talk about Stinger. And the quote is short when compared to the overall length of the article; the notability guidelines generally caution against using brief mentions like that.
  2. The Kevin Williams interview doesn't really show him talking about Stinger; he mentions it once near the end, and that's it.
  3. The biography is short, one paragraph long, and again barely mentions Stinger. It also reads like a press release or something, not like a neutral, objective article.
  4. The Arcade Renaissance link again doesn't provide any information about Stinger, merely quote it. The point of having sources is so that we can write an article based on them; what information does this link provide about Stinger?
  5. The other spong.com link also doesn't mention Stinger except for in a brief blurb near the end, which provides next to no information abou t it.
  6. The videogametopics.com link is just a repeat of the Arcade Renaissance link and so doesn't add anything new. Literally; the text was lifted word for word.
  7. The Inside Coin-Op link doesn't say anything about Stinger, just host some articles written by it. What information can we derive from these articles?
  8. Finally, the GameSetWatch link. It as well doesn't really supply much information about it, just a couple of quotes that the author found amusing, each of which has a one-sentence commentary.
As for the claim of accreditation, the only one of the links you provided that had any information specifically about Stinger was the TEA link. And that barely contains any; just some contact information and a short, two-sentence profile.
I think part of the confusion is that it hasn't been made clear that the purpose of the sources is to provide information about Stinger so that we can write a multi-sourced article, not just for their own sake. So a source that barely mentions Stinger except for once sentence is next to useless in this context, even though it might be a very well-written article. I hope this helps your understanding. Veinor (talk to me) 15:16, 22 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you for your comments. I have taken them on board and propose to look at the situation with a final re-write. I am concerned that first I was asked to add references that we worked in the sector, then about the Stinger, now in great detail about the service (which seems to go back to the Puff allegations at the beginning). As time is limited I have undertaken the following:

Finally, I have to take umbrage with your comment about ignoring other sites treatment – I am not asking for special privileges, just a level playing field. I have actually undertaken this re-write emulating Evil Avatar, which seemed to offer a good comparison to what TSR is. I notice their lack of a need for reference to survive and so have used the same approach. I look forward to the reaction! Stingerreport (talk) —Preceding comment was added at 16:33, 22 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Regarding your 'umbrage' as mentioned above; I wasn't saying you were asking for favoritism; I was saying your statement that "Though I do not see a order for deletion from the Computer Games magazine entries or the other Newsletters?" wasn't really relevant, because each article is handled on a case-by-case basis. Anyway, let's look at the new links:

It is becoming near impossible to understand the official statements for the spurious individuals who appear, make a statement and then vanish without want to discuss the situation. The Stinger Report page originally was entered with NO names. We then had complaint that we should attribute its coverage. Now we have done EVERYTHING to ensure that it meets requirements the goal post has been moved. You will see that we have removed the creators name - but will not remove the interview as it is valid (unless the Wiki team feel that it has to go - not just by anonymous comments). Stingerreport (talk) 17:22, 22 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I am GREATLY concerned by the method of moderating a page, we have done everything asked, and worked with those that requested change. But after doing more than asked we then suddenly find our account closed as if to try and stop us questioning some statements. This seemed to come after we proved that one complaint was incorrect about the page created. Is this Wiki's policy to smother questioning? Or is this a miss use of power? Kwp729 (talk) 23:19, 22 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

That was somebody blocking that account for violating the username policy; usernames are not allowed to be the names of websites, organizations, etc. However, the standard procedure is to wait until any disputes the user is in before doing so. I guess the blocking admin didn't check. It's not a conspiracy, simply somebody being overzealous. If it was a conspiracy, then you wouldn't have been able to make a new account. Veinor (talk to me) 23:22, 22 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Veinor, it is this 'overzealous' behavior that I was concerned by - rather than a 'conspiracy'. It seems with the whole process of creating this page I have met 'overzealous' attitude. Be it the complaints of Puff, that then suddenly changed to complaints of lies, then when it was found that the pages info was based on fact, I managed to strike up a understanding (thanks in part to your appreciated information), then a sudden attack for deletion with no reason, and finally after doing EVERYTHING asked I am instantly blocked - now only to find out that this is not how it should happen. You must see from my point of view that there is a lot broken with the way information is added to the Wiki. I need to know:

and what can be done to address any outstanding issues. Again I thank you for your help on this. I am just unhappy that 'overzealous' individuals have such power (now I have said this will this latest account be blocked??) Kwp729 (talk) 00:30, 23 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

The Stinger Report account is blocked and will probably remain so indefinitely, due to violation of the username policy. The account you're currently using won't be blocked unless you do something extra to warrant it, and I don't think even the most zealous of our administrators would consider what you're doing to justify blocking. If criticizing administrators was a blockable offense, I think half the people we have now, including a good deal of the administrators, would be blocked themselves. The page itself still exists and will remain so until all 5 days of the Article for deletion process are done, which will be sometime Friday.
As for the issues, that's basically what this entire debate is: me confronting you with issues and you amending them (or at least attempting to). Oh, and I don't recall any accusations of lying, at least none made by me. Of course, my memory could be faulty. Veinor (talk to me) 02:08, 23 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]


Thank you again Veinor - without your information this process would have been a dud. Regarding the accusations, you were not one of the individuals - I had to go to the 'talk' of one of the critics of the page to be told the reason for their claim for instant deletion only for that comment to be removed from their page (assumed they checked the facts and saw they had made a fool of them selves). I await the next stage in this process. Kwp729 (talk) 11:06, 23 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]


The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.
The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was Delete, consensus is that the article fails the notability guidelines. Davewild (talk) 08:52, 26 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Viewable With Any Browser[edit]

Viewable With Any Browser (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) (delete) – (View AfD)

There are many "viewable with any browser" campaigns. This one is hardly notable. Plrk (talk) 16:03, 20 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.
The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was redirect to Directorate of Military Intelligence; I see nothing to merge. Sandstein (talk) 06:23, 26 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

MI13[edit]

MI13 (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) (delete) – (View AfD)

MI13 entirely hypothetical, no evidence for existence Bazonka (talk) 16:01, 20 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]


The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.
The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was Delete, consensus is that the article fails the relevant notability guideline. Davewild (talk) 08:49, 26 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Ananda Kularatne[edit]

Ananda Kularatne (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) (delete) – (View AfD)

This article was originally nominated for A7, but I was on the fence about deleting under A7. Possibly still ripe for deletion as a non-notable biography, but I want to make sure I'm not off my rocker here... SchuminWeb (Talk) 15:23, 20 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.
The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was Speedy Deleted, WP:SNOW Nakon 20:52, 24 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Rajon[edit]

Rajon (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) (delete) – (View AfD)

Non notable protoglism/neoglism. Was incorrectly tagged for speedy, so I bring it here instead. J Milburn (talk) 15:07, 20 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.
The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was redirect to prenatal development. Sandstein (talk) 06:49, 26 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Prenate[edit]

Prenate (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) (delete) – (View AfD)

The article is only a definition, and duplicates content of similar aerticles like Embryo. The page should be transwikied to Wiktionary. EncycloPetey (talk) 15:02, 20 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

WP:STUB says "a "definition" may be enough to qualify an article as a stub". I'm sorry that I don't have enough information to add, but surely someone else does. What if there were articles for tree, bush, flower, etc., but none for plant. (talk) 15:14, 20 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]
The difference is that an article on plant would (and should) contain much information that could not be placed on an article about tree, flower, etc. I can't imagine that an article on prenate could ever include much information at all, at least not that wasn't able to be better placed in other articles. The term is seldom used in scientific literature, textbooks, etc. precisely because it isn't a useful grouping in terms of what meaning it carries. --EncycloPetey (talk) 15:58, 20 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

"Prenate" is an interesting word that I hadn't heard before. It seems to be synonymous with the more common term "unborn" which doesn't have an article either. So, delete or transwiki.Ferrylodge (talk) 16:00, 20 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]


The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.
The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was Delete due to the lack of reliable sources which would show it meets any of the criteria of the relevant notability guideline. Davewild (talk) 08:40, 26 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

The Moon Is Not the Son[edit]

The Moon Is Not the Son (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) (delete) – (View AfD)

Non-notable book. No reviews cited. The only reference used for the article is a college catalogue. Steve Dufour (talk) 05:44, 12 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]


Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so that consensus may be reached.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Davewild (talk) 14:59, 20 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]
The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.
The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was Delete, consensus is that the article is an essay and original research. Davewild (talk) 16:23, 26 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Marketing 2.0[edit]

Marketing 2.0 (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) (delete) – (View AfD)

Essay, neologism, no peer-reviewed sources. Tons of blog hits on Google, but obviously those are of no use. --- RockMFR 14:48, 20 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.
The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was speedy delete per G4.

Tisdale's Second Studio Album[edit]

Tisdale's Second Studio Album (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) (delete) – (View AfD)

Apparently, so little is known about this album that it has no title, no definitive release date, and a single confirmed song. It's fine if this article exists once more is confirmed, but an article named "Tisdale's Second Studio Album" can't be expanded much more unless we start crystal-balling. So Awesome (talk) 14:20, 20 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Speedy Delete as a repost. See Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Voices (Ashley Tisdale album) and Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Ashley Tisdale's second studio album. Please salt as well, as recreation of this thing is becoming a problem. Kww (talk) 15:05, 20 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]
The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.
The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was keep. John254 23:30, 24 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

The Blue Paint Killer[edit]

The Blue Paint Killer (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) (delete) – (View AfD)

This is un-notable and has no secondary sources. LizzieHarrison 13:40, 20 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

What is your justification for calling it un-notable? I agree more secondary sources are needed, however. Editus Reloaded (talk) 13:46, 20 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]
It is very in-universe and the only google results for it are wikipedia related or CSI forums. LizzieHarrison 13:54, 20 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Keep This seems to be a fork of List of CSI: Crime Scene Investigation characters done solely because of the length so notability is not an issue. --neonwhite user page talk 23:48, 20 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Precisely; the list page is meant to be a summary which then leads off to separate character articles if is is unnecessarily long - as in this case. Attempting to shoehorn character detail into list pages is messy; see parts of this prior version of the character list page. KeepEditus Reloaded (talk) 19:04, 21 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Keep and allow a bit more time for sources. This article could be written in a more "out of universe" manner, but this fictional concept is important to understanding the series. Ursasapien (talk) 06:36, 23 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]
The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.
The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was keep. John254 23:26, 24 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

The Miniature Killer[edit]

The Miniature Killer (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) (delete) – (View AfD)

This is un-notable and has no secondary sources. LizzieHarrison 13:39, 20 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Keep, seems to be very important and notable to Season 7 and the first episode of Season 8 of CSI: Las Vegas (I personally haven't seen these episodes). This would be too long if put into List of CSI: Crime Scene Investigation characters. It looks like the character is connected to at least 8 episodes of CSI: Las Vegas (that I can tell from the article). Much more then any of the other repeated villains (like Paul Millander's three episodes). The fact that this character is interlinked into so many Season 7 episodes, it would be a chore for a Wiki-reader to have to jump from article to article to pick up all of the pieces about this character.
Regarding references/sources: Yes, references are needed...on almost every CSI episode article on wikipedia (most only contain external links to "CSI Files", "CSI Episode Guide" "Internet Movie Database" and/or "TV.com"). "Good Guy" character Teri Miller was only in five episodes, and she has a sperate article (also without refernces, just an external link to her CBS's character profile). Antmusic (talk) 15:54, 21 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Keep and give the rescue squad a chance. Surely some references can be found for this notable fictional character. Ursasapien (talk) 04:55, 22 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Keep, for reasons others have given. Needs more references though. Tilefish (talk) 10:52, 22 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]
The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.
The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was speedy delete by me. J Milburn (talk) 14:27, 20 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Village People Football Club[edit]

Village People Football Club (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) (delete) – (View AfD)

Questionable notability... I don't think such a football club playing at this level meets our notability guidelines. Crazy Boris with a RED beard 13:37, 20 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.
The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was Delete. Rjd0060 (talk) 03:34, 26 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Home for Incurables[edit]

Home for Incurables (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) (delete) – (View AfD)

There are numerous such homes across the world and there seems no point in highlighting just two, particularly since nothing notable has been identified. In the light of the discussion here, I think the page should be deleted and it can be recreated if at least two such homes get pages. TerriersFan (talk) 13:01, 20 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Just a comment, as I said I'm fine with deleting them; since they're hospitals, they're obviously notable in and of themselves, so I would point out that your motivation in deleting this page is aesthetic, not a matter of notability; the page is disambiguating two entirely notable things. But deleting it out of aesthetic concern is perfectly fine, and probably trumps any concerns about future link integrity I might have had in creating the page, so carry on. --❨Ṩtruthious ℬandersnatch❩ 13:18, 20 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]


The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.
The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was speedy delete as a copy of F.C.Vitoria Cacheu. The title translates to :What is the name of the club". Martijn Hoekstra (talk) 12:59, 20 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Какое название клуба[edit]

Какое название клуба (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) (delete) – (View AfD)

I prodded it, and this article seems to contradict itself in so many ways. The title is in Cyrillic, and spells "Kakoye nazvaniye kluba", but then the original author said it was about the "Estrela Negra de Bolama", but someone changed it to "F. C. Vitoria Cacheu". There is already a page "F.C.Vitoria Cacheu", but I may as well speedy that for being non-notable (googled, and it came up to only the article). – Obento Musubi (CGS) 12:31, 20 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.
The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was keep per absence of delete preferences (non-admin closure). The possibility of merging/moving the article requires further discussion on the talkpage to reach consensus. Skomorokh 01:21, 26 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

African pope[edit]

African pope (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) (delete) – (View AfD)

Doesn't really deserve its own article, like an essay, though might be an idea to merge a bit of the info into Pope Phoenix-wiki 11:58, 20 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Indeed. Pope is already 75K long. --Dhartung | Talk 00:16, 23 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]
The article could be titled as a list (see suggestions above) but retain its current content. A list article does not have to be a bare list; see WP:LIST. - Fayenatic (talk) 08:41, 24 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment I'm not sure what's wrong with African pope or List of African popes. It's the head article for Category:African popes (which will have no head article if this is deleted). It's the same format as List of French popes or List of German popes 9which are probably the only other lists outside of Italy to have more than one member, e.g. List of Polish popes would be just John Paul II). We have the hatnote to disambiguate with the Coptic and Eastern Orthodox "popes" (not generally known as such). If necessary we COULD move this to a more specific title, but then we're right back where we started, having this as a disambiguation page, which nobody seems to have voted for. As for the issue of what race any of these popes were or might in future be, that is something requiring a good deal of expansion, as there is no consensus. The Africocentric movement believes all three of the original African popes were black, of course, but historians disagree as to whether they were Roman, Berber, Punic (i.e. Semitic), or even barbarian, and Romans were notoriously agnostic about skin color to the point that it was rarely recorded. We just don't know. Certainly some of the current calls are about race, and it's more likely that a future African pope will be black just because of the limited presence of Catholicism in the non-black parts of Africa. But very few of the serious sources calling for an African pope actually discuss race. --Dhartung | Talk 19:33, 24 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]
The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.
The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was Delete. Rjd0060 (talk) 03:34, 26 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Bean to cup machines[edit]

Bean to cup machines (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) (delete) – (View AfD)

Contested prod, but advertising spam. StAnselm (talk) 11:16, 20 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]


The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.
The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was delete for failing WP:MUSIC and WP:HOAX. —dima/talk/ 03:42, 23 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Prostytutka[edit]

Prostytutka (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) (delete) – (View AfD)

Claims of a hit record make this ineligable for speedy deletion (despite earlier deletion as such) but there is no verification of notability and I can find nothing to support the claim - this could even be a hoax article. Ros0709 (talk) 10:54, 20 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Unfortunately myspace and blogs are not reliable sources. If the band has had the hit tracks the article claims then it is notable and the article can be kept - but in that case it really shouldn't be hard to find some sources that are reliable that confirm it. As a starter, [20] has links to 13 Ukranian chart sites. Of course, the lack of any sources being found tends to suggest that there haven't actually been any hits at all, and in that case the band would appear to fail Wikipedia's notability criteria. Ros0709 (talk) 15:33, 21 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]
The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.
The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was delete for failing WP:BIO and WP:PROF. Martijn Hoekstra (talk) 15:52, 21 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Yu Taishan[edit]

Yu Taishan (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) (delete) – (View AfD)

Is this professor sufficiently notable? Based on the publication list, I don't think so. Delete. --Nlu (talk) 21:24, 13 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]


Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so that consensus may be reached.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Martijn Hoekstra (talk) 09:42, 20 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]
The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.
The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was redirect to Rove (TV series). No indication of notability for these sketches. Dreadstar 17:25, 27 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Recurring Rove sketches[edit]

Recurring Rove sketches (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) (delete) – (View AfD)

I redirected this, and was reverted. I have given an extension of my reasons for redirecting here—the reverting user failed to respond. I'll say it again; I see no real world assertion of notability, or no need for this to exist outside of a section in the main article. dihydrogen monoxide (H2O) 09:17, 20 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.
The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was Delete, consensus is that the article fails the relevant notability guideline. Davewild (talk) 08:29, 26 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Filip Skutela[edit]

Filip Skutela (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) (delete) – (View AfD)

The article has several issues. He hadn't released any album under more important label. The article lists three soundtracks released by him and Google has only torrents. Therefore, it fails criteria of WP:MUSIC. Also lack of reliable & verifiable sources. No third-party source. Visor (talk) 07:53, 20 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.
The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was Merge and Redirect to School District 36 Surrey as no independent notability has been established. Davewild (talk) 08:25, 26 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Senator Reid Elementary School[edit]

Senator Reid Elementary School (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) (delete) – (View AfD)

non-notable elementary school, Wikipedia is not a directory Chris (クリス • フィッチ) (talk) 07:45, 20 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.
The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was Delete, consensus is that the article fails the notability guidelines. Davewild (talk) 08:18, 26 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Atlag united methodist church[edit]

Atlag united methodist church (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) (delete) – (View AfD)

Fails to establish notability of the subject and lacks sufficient reliable sources which could verify such notability. JodyB talk 07:18, 20 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.
The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was delete per WP:V, which consensus cannot supercede. The level of sourcing for this story is so poor that it does not appear that a verifiable article can currently be written about it. Sandstein (talk) 06:32, 26 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

2005 killings of Christians in Nigeria[edit]

2005 killings of Christians in Nigeria (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) (delete) – (View AfD)

This article is written in a POV manner, and on attempting to rewrite it with NPOV, I was unable to find any news articles that mention this event in either international news sources or domestic Nigerian news sources (including a thorough search of Allafrica.com). Google turns up many pages that reference the event, however they are all on Christian persecution websites that seek to advance a point of view.

It appears that the event may not have actually occurred, or if the event did occur, it is not notable enough for inclusion in Wikipedia. Rjhatl (talk) 14:11, 14 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]


Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so that consensus may be reached.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Sandstein (talk) 07:05, 20 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]


The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.
The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was delete. Content available for transwikification on request. Sandstein (talk) 06:26, 26 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Deletion overturned per discussion at Wikipedia:Deletion review/Log/2008 April 26. The result is now no consensus per the DRV. Arkyan 20:41, 13 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

List of Magic: The Gathering keywords[edit]

List of Magic: The Gathering keywords (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) (delete) – (View AfD)

This is simply a guide to the keywords used in Magic: the Gathering. The last AFD was based upon WP:NOT#GAMEGUIDE, but as was mentioned there, this article goes beyond just describing game effects, but a little into the development history of them. However, I don't think that the Magic keywords have any outside notability. All of the sources are "first-person" ones that were pulled from the Magic website and from the Magic developers.


Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so that consensus may be reached.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Sandstein (talk) 07:01, 20 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]


The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.
The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was Delete, article fails the relevant notability guideline and is a crystal ball violation.. Davewild (talk) 08:17, 26 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Past Due[edit]

Past Due (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) (delete) – (View AfD)

No information or sources here... really there is nothing here. Editor has a history of introducing inappropriate pages. SOme serious expansion will need to be done; otherwise should be deleted as non-notable. - eo (talk) 06:56, 20 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.
The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was Delete, consensus is that the article does not have the significant coverage in reliable sources in order to meet the relevant notability guideline. Davewild (talk) 08:11, 26 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

KMLE Medical Dictionary[edit]

KMLE Medical Dictionary (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) (delete) – (View AfD)

Article fails WP:NOTABILITY, WP:WEB. This is a Search aggregator, not a dictionary. Has a few links but they seem to be unreadable, press releases or merely trivial coverage or mentions. Trivial or incidental coverage of a subject by secondary sources is not sufficient to establish notability. The depth of coverage of the subject by the source must be considered. which is clearly noted in the notability guidelines. Google news yeilds nothing. Part of a larger spam campaign that seeded WP with spamlinks. Seems to be nothing more than Self-promotion and product placement, which wikipedia is WP:NOT.Hu12 (talk) 06:43, 20 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I am the admin of the site. Anyways, if wikipedia editors think it should be deleted, we are ready to accept the deletion/bans/etc, but of note I would like to point out I searched every medical dictionary (stedman, dorland, tabers) on google news, and none are noted. Also our site officially licenses the American Heritage Medical Dictionary and is not just a meta-search. You mentioned trivial coverage, but I can note over 5 books that reference our site, that are still being published. As for the "spam" please see my comments at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MediaWiki_talk:Spam-blacklist#Request_unlisting_of_kmle.com The site was bookmarked enough to go to the main page on de.lico.us, so "normal" people do find the site helpful as well. Digirave (talk)

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.
The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was delete. Wizardman 16:41, 27 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

JustCarmen[edit]

JustCarmen (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) (delete) – (View AfD)

Non-notable singer who fails WP:MUSIC. The only reason anyone has ever heard of her is because of her producer. If anything this should be redirected, there is no assertion of individual notability. EconomicsGuy (talk) 06:35, 20 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Are you planning on investigating this, I am certainly worried about inconsistency in deleting this when we keep similar stuff from the US and UK, including many articles about singles. Thanks, SqueakBox 18:10, 20 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Actually SqueakBox all you need to do is explain the nature of the coverage you cite. At least provide the names of the articles in question. She utterly fails every criteria in WP:MUSIC which makes her subject to the same requirements as any other biographies. You've been here longer than me, you know this stuff already ;) EconomicsGuy (talk) 18:29, 20 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]
In this particular case, you can easily argue that she meets the following criteria for entertainers: Has made unique, prolific or innovative contributions to a field of entertainment. Well, one unique contribution. What she may or may not have done is have her achievement noted in independent, secondary sources. It's hard to tell since neither reference is really independent. davidwr/(talk)/(contribs)/(e-mail) 17:51, 21 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  • The contribution in question was innovative because of the purposeful mix of established people and an unknown. This innovation was noted by sources. This makes it covered by WP:MUSIC even if it didn't hit the charts. The question we have to answer is just how innovative does it have to be to WP:MUSIC-innovative, and is it really notable or is it just a curiosity that happened to make the newspapers? davidwr/(talk)/(contribs)/(e-mail) 16:48, 26 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  • It's more than a decade and a half since Unforgettable and King of Hearts and a quarter century since "There's a Tear in My Beer". All three of these are electronically generated duets between a live artist and a deceased one. I have seen no such evidence of "innovation" stated in the article. Where are the citations documenting the innovation, and how do these electronic "innovations" on a recording that apparently had no charting success augment her notability? B.Wind (talk) 17:18, 26 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  • From the article: It was Stefano's idea to put a relatively unknown singer into the studio with recordings of big stars from the past. The claimed innovation was putting a relatively unknown singer up with big stars from the past. It's hard to check with paper-based references but presumably this statement came from information in the references in the footnotes. Again, as AfD reviewers it's our job to determine if that meets the notability criteria when WP:N is in doubt. I think you can make a case for it, although if the article for the album existed, I would recommend redirecting to the album. davidwr/(talk)/(contribs)/(e-mail) 00:56, 27 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]


The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.
The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was Delete. Jerry talk ¤ count/logs 03:05, 26 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

List of Hollywood Republicans[edit]

List of Hollywood Republicans (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) (delete) – (View AfD)

This should almost be a speedy, as it basically a recreation of the article deleted here, but it sort of survived a convoluted AFD before, so here we go again. This article is completely unsourced, and doesn't define either the Hollywood or the Republican aspects. Is it only actual members of the Republican party? Anyone who's expressed right-of-center views? Anyone who has ever voiced support for a single Republican candidate? Anyone who has voiced opposition to a Democrat or a left-wing cause? If it were to clearly define that it is only actual members of the Republican Party, we might have something (assuming we could also define who is "Hollywood" and who isn't), but in that case we'd need a reliable citation for each and every entry being a confirmed member of that party. Right now there are zero such citations. Even if it could meet that criterion, the article is still of questionable usefulness, and another one of those potentially endless lists. There's a reason why there's no List of Hollywood Democrats page. Anyway, the new name aside, this article has all the problems of the earlier deleted article, without any of the sources. I fail to see why it's here. R. fiend (talk) 06:20, 20 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.
The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was Delete Nakon 02:38, 25 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

The Zongian Royal Family (2nd Era)[edit]

The Zongian Royal Family (2nd Era) (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) (delete) – (View AfD)

The author removed the PROD tag after it had expired, so here we are. Article describes the family tree of a royal family inside the game Second Life; however, since notability is not inherited, this article fails the notability guidelines and doesn't back up its assertions with reliable sources establishing either its notability or significance. The article is also very much in-universe. I think this info should be maybe partially merged with Second Life. Any comments? GlobeGores (talk page | user page) 05:03, 20 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Delete per non-notability. Madviolinist (talk) 05:37, 20 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.
The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was no consensus, defaulting to keep. --PeaceNT (talk) 05:05, 27 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Larry Woody[edit]

Larry Woody (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) (delete) – (View AfD)

Non-notable writer. Google pulls up nothing for his supposed book "Along For The Ride" except unrelated erotica titles and other irrelevant things. Mizu onna sango15/珊瑚15 04:59, 20 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Keep Obviously you have never heard of NASCAR. Your ignorance pertaining to sports should not cloud your judgment or anyone else's. Authors of single poems are given Wikipedia articles. This gentleman is a famous motorsports and college sports writer and has more than earned his place here. GeoffEighinger (talk) 05:34, 20 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

  • Please remain civil. --Dhartung | Talk 05:56, 20 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment- With all-do respect, it may surprise you to know I have heard of NASCAR. Furthermore, GeoffEighinger, I have nothing against motorsports, and why you assume I do simply because I nominated this article for deletion is beyond me. Authors of single poems are given Wikipedia articles, but only if the poem is notable. The fact that google returns few hits on this book of his demonstrates that it may not be of substantial notability, and the person himself does not return many google hits, so though the article claims the subject has written for NASCAR, we don't have ample reliable sources to support that. Mizu onna sango15/珊瑚15 19:47, 20 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  • Why would we merge him into a newspaper article? This behavior astounds me. You didn't even understand that "out of Nashville, Tennessee" was describing something in the city. "Outside of Nashville" would have been out of town. GeoffEighinger (talk) 21:25, 20 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  • Reply: We could merge his article into the article about the newspaper because his career is (apparently) associated with the newspaper. As for "out of Nashville, Tennessee" (actually, when I saw it, it was "out of Nashville, TN"), I understood perfectly well what you meant, but that kind of idiomatic expression is inappropriate for an encyclopedia. Read literally (as noted in my edit summary), its meaning is very different. --Orlady (talk) 21:50, 20 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  • I see that you added several book titles to the article. That information is helpful in documenting notability. (If you want this article to be kept, you need to provide sourced information indicating that he is notable. As you probably realize, insulting other Wikipedians is not likely to help you achieve the goal of keeping the article.) I searched for the ISBN numbers and added them. Is he also the Larry Woody who wrote Schmittou: A Grand Slam in Baseball, Business, and Life? I also see that you added a long anecdote about an interaction with Tony Stewart, but that anecdote does not do anything positive for me (not only does it not help to demonstrate notability, but it does not add any useful information content to the article). Has any independent reliable source written about Larry Woody's significance as a sportswriter or his significance to NASCAR? (That would be helpful to have.) --Orlady (talk) 22:20, 20 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  • I would hardly call him a "local writer" since the man was friends with the late Dale Earnhardt and has been traveling the United States for the last 40+ years covering NASCAR and college sports, not to mention the fact he has received various awards as mentioned in his article. Don't get me wrong, I'm not friends with the guy (I live in Ohio) but the unwillingness to "recognize" established journalists and authors boggles my mind just because administrators or "Wiki bullies" have not heard of the person. I find it odd we base "worth" on the amount of Google hits one produces. GeoffEighinger (talk) 21:25, 20 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  • This is very simple. What are the reliable and independent sources that have discussed him? If they don't exist, he is accomplished, but not notable. Many accomplished people are not notable. --Dhartung | Talk 04:15, 21 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  • "Wiki bullies"? Look, please don't take offence just because an article you like or created has been nominated. Now you're just being uncivil. Please lighten up on the personal attacks, and realise that, as Dhartung has said, this man may not be notable enough to satisfy wikipedia standards, regardless of whether or not he has written a (non-notable) book or was friends with Dale Earnhardt. Simple as that. Mizu onna sango15/珊瑚15 04:51, 21 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Note: I have now added a few reliable external links to prove Woody's noteworthiness. I also noted his retirement in August, 2007 which is why he is not mentioned in The Tennessean article. GeoffEighinger (talk) 07:02, 26 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]


The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.
The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was delete. Recreated as redirect to Blowgun. Sandstein (talk) 06:57, 26 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Blowtube[edit]

Blowtube (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) (delete) – (View AfD)

Non-notable neologism / dictdef. Google returns a smattering of hits, but no significant coverage from reliable third party sources. Action Jackson IV (talk) 04:30, 20 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Keep, please. Blowtube is midwest vernacular. This entry will eventually be part of a larger collection of subculture terminology. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Octodomus (talkcontribs) 16:06, 22 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]


The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.
The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was Delete. Rjd0060 (talk) 03:33, 26 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

George Aguilar[edit]

George Aguilar (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) (delete) – (View AfD)

vanity page/no notability asserted. Prod removed previously Paulbrock (talk) 03:34, 20 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]


The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.
The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was No consensus (default keep). The onus is on those making the recommendation to delete an article, to demonstrate that it merits deletion. In this case, some of the deletion arguments presented were that the books written by this author were self-published; but this has been demonstrated to not be the case. Other statements in favor of delete include various descriptions of how specific websearches fail to produce sources that should exist for notable subjects. However, such websearches are not the sole arbiter of notability, and have routinely been shown to be a poor method of determining notability in many cases. There appears to be some misunderstanding of both the Wicca religion and Witches, which is understandable due to the high degree of fictional material on these subjects. All of that aside, there was no clear consensus to delete. The deletion policy directs that when a clear consensus to delete is not achieved, and is unlikley to be achieved through extended discussion, to keep the article. Jerry talk ¤ count/logs 16:25, 26 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Sally Morningstar[edit]

Sally Morningstar (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) (delete) – (View AfD)

Despite the large number of books to her credit, I can't find significant coverage of her. A Google News search came up with 17 hits but almost all were for other people. She seems to be British and most are obit survivor in Rye, New York, USA. Looking at the WP:BIO guidelines pertaining to authors WP:BIO#Creative professionals, she doesn't appear to meet the standards for inclusion. The article has been tagged for citations since Dec 2007 and I suspect this is because there are none to be found. Pigman 03:31, 20 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

  • Comment: More to the point, it needs sources beyond her exceptionally commercial personal website. Pigman 04:43, 20 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Hay House is one of the fastest-growing self-help and transformational publishers in the world, selling our products to more than 35 countries around the world. They currently publish approximately 300 books and 350 audio programs by more than 130 authors, and employ a full-time staff of 100-plus. Hay House is a medium-sized publishing house bringing in big-name authors, including Diane Ladd, Ben Stein, Suze Orman, Carnie Wilson, Sylvia Browne, Montel Williams, Wayne Dyer, Deepak Chopra, Iyanla Vanzant, John Edward, Marianne Williamson, Barbara De Angelis, Tavis Smiley, Jim Brickman, Stedman Graham and Phil McGraw. New Beginnings Press, Princess Books, and Smiley Books are imprints of Hay House. Hay House is located in Carlsbad, California, with international divisions in Australia, the United Kingdom, India, and South Africa. Hay House launched its own radio station in early 2005. HayHouseRadio.com®—Radio for your Soul™—is broadcast worldwide via the Internet.[27]
Anness Publishing was founded in 1988 and is now the largest independent book publisher in the UK. In their first 19 years they have sold in excess of 120,000,000 books. Each year they produce around 300 new titles on subjects ranging from cooking and crafts to gardening, new age, reference, hobbies and transport plus a lively and successful list of pre-school activity and home study reference books for children. LORENZ BOOKS is their trade sales imprint for new hardback titles, and is celebrating its 14th year in 2007. SOUTHWATER is their trade paperback imprint, which consists of over 700 backlist books and a new programme of 150 titles each year. HERMES HOUSE & PEONY PRESS are their imprints for non-trade sales, promotional sales and customized publishing for major customers.[28]
Piatkus Books are an independent publishing company that has been established for over 25 years. They are a general publisher specializing in the areas of Health, MBS, Biography, Business, History and Womens Fiction and Romance. Piatkus Books has turnover of approximately £10 million and it employs 28 people. It specializes in popular fiction and practical non-fiction. Its authors include the internationally bestselling novelist Nora Roberts, who also writes as J D Robb, and such distinguished and successful non-fiction writers as Patrick Holford, author of important books on health and nutrition, including The New Optimum Nutrition Bible; David Allen, business guru and bestselling author of Getting Things Done; Jon Kabat-Zinn, world-renowned author of Full Catastrophe Living and Wherever You Go, There You Are; Susan Nolen-Hoeksema, author of Women Who Think Too Much; and Sylvia Browne and Brian L Weiss, whose spiritual books have delighted millions of readers.
News Release: Ursula Mackenzie, CEO and Publisher of Little, Brown, is delighted to announce that Piatkus Books will join Little, Brown and Company Book Group with immediate effect. This follows the signing and completion of an agreement between Judy Piatkus and Little, Brown and Company Book Group on 20 July 2007. Piatkus Books will become an independent imprint within Little, Brown Book Group, thus strengthening Little, Brown Book Group’s position in consumer publishing in the UK, Europe, Australia, New Zealand, South Africa and its other markets.[29]

Rosencomet (talk) 17:50, 22 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Comment: A news search such as the one I referenced at the top in my nom doesn't just find news stories, it also finds book reviews, calendar listings and minor mentions. I believe non-appearance in such a search is one indicator of notability. Pigman 18:48, 22 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Comment - I don't believe any pagan publications, major or minor, are currently being indexed by Google News search. If publications in the author's field aren't being indexed, then it would seem to be an unfair way to evaluate such an author, leading to an imbalanced representation of pagan authors on Wikipedia relative to religions or spiritual traditions which have more representation in such a search. Valtyr (talk) 05:01, 23 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]
I certainly don't believe the search I did is the only indicator of notability, just that it is one indicator. Since her (unreferenced) article says "She has appeared on numerous television programs and writes for magazines, newspapers, and periodicals on witchcraft, healing and natural magic," I would expect her name to show up somewhere in that search. Perhaps an interview. If we can't find WP:V and WP:RS to support the info in the article, I find it difficult to accept she passes WP:BIO by Wikipedia standards. I'm certainly sympathetic to the view that Pagan magazines are underrepresented in such searches; I've published or helped publish a handful of Pagan zines myself, some fairly well known in the Pagan community. But we still have to evaluate here by Wikipedia's standards. I've looked for sources as have others in this AfD and come up empty. Pigman 05:33, 23 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment I find the statements "but as we all know, witches do not exist, and something that does not exist of course cannot be notable" and "the community of "witches"--a category of person that does not exist to begin with" to be offensive in the extreme, and wholly uninformed. Sally Morningstar identifies herself as a Wiccan, a religion whose members call themselves witches, and a religion that is recognized by the United States government both in its IRS classifications for it's churches and in the Chaplain's Manual for their armed forces. A legal case was just won to allow pentagrams on the graves of Wiccan soldiers in military cemetaries. Please don't perpetuate prejudice against members of this religion. And if "Sally Morningstar" is a pen name, which you would have to provide a source for, so is Mark Twain. As for the notability of the presses, they speak for themselves. If you happened to click onto a website that was down at the time, plenty of notable companies and organizations (including Wikipedia) have had their website go down at one time or another, or replaced by a different website. The existence of the presses and the information about them can be easily established. If you are talking about Piatkus Books, their website is down temporarily while they are merging with Little Brown and Company, a VERY notable press, as you would see if you actually read the provided information. Rosencomet (talk) 19:24, 25 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]
I consider these statements from the Stregheria talk page offensive and uncivil as well[31], and I think they should be taken into consideration when weighing his vote on any article about a Wiccan individual, especially the following:

"but the facts are indeed these:

Now, mind you, I am interested in improving the article, not in starting a flame war with a bunch of witches who think they can put a hex on me. I am not afraid of witches. They do not exist. Lucifer does not exist either, but if a few Italian-American New Agers on the West Coast want to worship Him in order to get their old boyfriends back, so be it."

And this choice bit:

"If Wikipedia can offer a Holocaust Denial article that lets everybody know a certain group is seriously looped, then certainly it can do so about a pack of aging, overweight, chanting devil worshippers belly-dancing around the redwood trees." Rosencomet (talk) 20:17, 25 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

  • Comment I'm afraid you simply don't know the definition of the word witch. You're describing the super-powered characters from the fictional TV show "Bewitched", not the kind of witch Sally Morningstar is. Read up on Wicca and related topics. To use your example, Baptists would be suspect if they can't close their eyes and pray for whatever they need and have it miraculously appear. There was no personal attack: I did not use either the phrase "religious prejudice" or the word "bigot", nor did I characterize you in any way. I simply asked that you not perpetuate prejudice, a word with a specific definition, and by claiming Ms Morningstar can't be a witch because she hasn't magically created the material you think is required here shows that you not only have pre-judged her according to false definitions of what witches do, but believe with no support that she even knows about this article and has something to do with its contributors. You, on the other hand, have characterized a group of people as non-existent, and used the following terms to describe them: 1. "a pack of aging, overweight, chanting devil worshippers belly-dancing around the redwood trees", and as 2. "charlatans or severely mentally ill", and 3. "a bunch of New Agers who have gone way, way, way over the deep end, spending too much time sucking on water pipes in Santa Cruz". Witches certainly exist, and this is verified in respected sources ranging from the historical to the anthropological to the biblical; there are hundreds of thousands in Europe and the Americas (you can easily talk to many of them online or otherwise) - even though you may doubt their ability to accomplish that which they claim they can. Also, to use your example, a Baptist minister with 15 books published on subjects about his religion by non-vanity presses is plenty notable enough for a Wikipedia article in my opinion, and there are a lot more of those than witches with 15 published books. I don't know that Morningstar is a "notable witch", but she's a notable author of books on witchcraft, magic and related subjects (something you can be even if there WERE no witches, just like a notable author on Sherlock Holmes or mythological creatures). It would be ridiculous to create a new standard that authors of 15 books must have been published by more notable presses than Hay House, Anness Publishing, and Piatkus Books (now a division of Little, Brown & Company) to be considered notable.Rosencomet (talk) 21:06, 25 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

(outdent) You can try to spin it anyway you like. The fact remains that Sally Morningstar has no notability whatsoever as a witch. If she did, don't you think there would have been at least one news story about her as a notable witch since the beginning of time? And yet the GoogleNews Archive throws up exactly ZERO hits since the beginning of time: [32]. If she was a notable writer, don't you think there would have been at least one notable, verifiable news story about this writer since the beginning of time? And yet the GoogleNews Archive throws up exactly ZERO hits for her as a writer: [33]. You can scream that I'm "prejudiced" till you're purple in the face, but the fact remains that by every guideline regarding WP:RS and WP:BIO, this woman is nothing but a complete nobody. I understand that you appear to respect her personally, in terms of her unestablishable notability as a "witch" and a "writer," but Wikipedia is about following guidelines, not injecting personal views. The article should be deleted. Qworty (talk) 21:19, 25 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.
The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was Delete due to the lack of significant coverage in reliable sources to establish notability. Davewild (talk) 08:03, 26 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Team Dynasty[edit]

Team Dynasty (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) (delete) – (View AfD)

Incredibly difficult to find independent reliable sources for verification. I've tried rewriting it and sourcing it, but it's been pretty much impossible. Wafulz (talk) 16:36, 9 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

  • That's a redirect to Team Dynasty; they appear to have been old duplicate articles. The last version has a little information; merge the two. JeremyMcCracken (talk) (contribs) 18:39, 9 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so that consensus may be reached.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Hersfold (t/a/c) 02:06, 20 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]
The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.
The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was delete —  Tivedshambo  (t/c) 13:51, 26 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Dolly Kyle Browning[edit]

Dolly Kyle Browning (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) (delete) – (View AfD)

A WP:COATRACK of an article which violates WP:BLP1E. Lacks refs showing substantial coverage in multiple reliable and independent secondary sources. Fails WP:BIO Edison (talk) 02:00, 20 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.
The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was Keep. Jerry talk ¤ count/logs 03:37, 26 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Crisis in the Built Environment: The Case of the Muslim City[edit]

Crisis in the Built Environment: The Case of the Muslim City (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) (delete) – (View AfD)

Non-notable book, which I cannot find anything reliable on google. Page orphaned and has no context. Authour fails WP:BIO Fattyjwoods (Push my button) 04:08, 9 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]


Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so that consensus may be reached.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Hersfold (t/a/c) 01:46, 20 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]
The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.
The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was delete. Sandstein (talk) 06:38, 26 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Recon Armor[edit]

Recon Armor (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) (delete) – (View AfD)

Non-notable fancruft for an armor permutation in Halo 3. I believe it falls under Wikipedia is not a game guide, or possibly even speedy deletion policy A7. TH1RT3EN talkcontribs 01:39, 20 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

There's no point to merge it to SPARTAN Project unless you plan to add a list of all armour permutations for the Spartan II to that article (which would be listcruft and quite pointless). --Patar knight - chat/contributions 15:45, 20 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Would a redirect to either Halo 3 or SPARTAN Project be better? TH1RT3EN talkcontribs 03:03, 21 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]
What good text are you referring to? TH1RT3EN talkcontribs 16:39, 23 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]


The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.
The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was Keep. Rjd0060 (talk) 03:32, 26 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Joel Fuhrman[edit]

Joel Fuhrman (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) (delete) – (View AfD)

This has been tagged as not having established notability for two months, and for being written like an advrtisement for four. I don't think it's going to improve. But, well, may as well give it one more chance for its notability to be demonstrated. Shoemaker's Holiday (talk) 01:34, 20 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

The Foreward to his book is written by Neal D. Barnard, MD, President, Physicians Committee for Responsible Medicine. He concludes, "Dr. Fuhrman is foremost in this new generation of medical leaders. The information he provides in this volume is clear and practical and of vital interest to patients and doctors alike. I am grateful to Dr. Fuhrman for assembling this remarkable work, and recommend it to you wholeheartedly."
Dr. Andrew Nicholson, MD, Director of Preventive Medicine, Physicians Committee for Responsible Medicine, says "Dr. Fuhrman's powerful and practical guidelines apply for conditions ranging from the common cold to serious heart problems. This program provides an alternative to the costly and all-too-common side effects of surgery and drugs."
Dr. James Craner, MD, says, "This is neither alternative medicine nor conservative medicine, but rather progressive medicine. Dr. Fuhrman's approach offers individuals suffering from chronic diseases the only real chance for a meaningful cure. I have been fortunate to observe many of these outcomes firsthand and can testify to the power of this approach for certain diseases."
Dr. Dan Jeret, MD, says, "If you are lucky, you will read Dr. Fuhrman's book before you have subjected yourself to medications and medical procedures. This book is for those who want to take charge over their health and well-being, and for those who want to embark on a journey toward a more satisfying life."
Dr. Fuhrman is an aknowledged leader in his field. Ralphyde (talk) 06:32, 20 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]


The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.
The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was speedy deleted as A7 and salted by Jmlk1 (talk · contribs). Non-admin closure. --Dhartung | Talk 06:08, 20 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

One Year Waiting[edit]

One Year Waiting (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) (delete) – (View AfD)

Delete. This band does not meet the criteria of WP:MUSIC - no album releases on major labels, nothing on the charts. ... discospinster talk 01:33, 20 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.
The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was Delete. Rjd0060 (talk) 03:31, 26 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Augmented Social Network[edit]

Augmented Social Network (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) (delete) – (View AfD)

This article is merely a summary of some random academic paper. No claim of its notablity, importance, external citations, etc. Angrysusan (talk) 15:13, 14 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]


Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so that consensus may be reached.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Darkspots (talk) 01:20, 20 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]


The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.
The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was merge/redirect. I ended up redirecting, as the information in Cryptopsy gives appropriate weight to Lord Worm already. The article's sources ([37] [38]) can be used, if anyone wishes. Non admin. dihydrogen monoxide (H2O) 09:20, 20 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Lord Worm[edit]

Lord Worm (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) (delete) – (View AfD)

A former member of a minor band, now working as an English teacher. English teachers now working as rock musicians, yes, but not the other way round, I think. Guy (Help!) 20:49, 14 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]


Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so that consensus may be reached.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Darkspots (talk) 01:13, 20 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]
The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.
The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was Delete. Rjd0060 (talk) 03:29, 26 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Year One Muscle Cars[edit]

Year One Muscle Cars (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) (delete) – (View AfD)

Dubious notability--no reliable sources found in Google search. Delete. ~EdGl (talk) 01:02, 20 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]


The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.
The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was Delete. Rjd0060 (talk) 03:28, 26 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Laura J. Dahl[edit]

Laura J. Dahl (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) (delete) – (View AfD)

Looks extremely borderline in terms of notability, and given the article creator's name and the vaguely advertorial quality of the piece, I have to wonder whether there has been some over-egging of the notability (such things as the "countless art" donated to various redlinked organisations), and the only two blue-links on the article (other than the towns etc) are not to the expected items - there are no articles on the Heaven Sent or Forget Me Not referred to in the article. The linked website does little to stave off those concerns, and a websearch of "Laura Dahl" - Wikipedia and "Laura J. Dahl" - Wikipedia turns up almost nothing related to this Laura Dahl. Grutness...wha? 00:41, 20 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]


The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.
The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was delete per WP:CRYSTAL. Winter's come early - it seems to be WP:SNOWing

Sophmore Album[edit]

Sophmore Album (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) (delete) – (View AfD)

Wikipedia is not a crystal ball. Unreferenced. - Jameson L. Tai talkcontribs 00:17, 20 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]


The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.