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The result was delete. GDonato (talk) 16:09, 3 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Automatic Progression[edit]

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This article's title and contents are probably original research, as the article has no sources and a Google search yields only Wikipedia mirrors and unrelated pages. Wikipedia already has an article on a similar topic: scrolling shooter. Alksub 23:40, 26 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]


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The result was Speedy delete g1, repeatedly reposted (under different title) hoaxery. NawlinWiki 13:42, 27 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

The Gamma Adventurers League[edit]

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Sorry if I'm wrong, but this seems like pure nonsense. Lampman 23:13, 26 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

It looks like nonsense to me, too. When I saw the article earlier, the original author had included a plea for it not to be deleted, which I moved to the talk page. The plea suggests that the article had been deleted in the past, though there's nothing in the deletion log. --stephenw32768<user page><talk> 23:50, 26 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]


Please Read

i wrote some of the article and do not understand why you think it to be incoherent, it is not, we are just trying to add a page about real men who storys have just been brought to light. This does not benfit us we just want others to here about what they did. Lampland please research this is new info, thankyou.

Fine, then add some reliable sources. Lampman 08:54, 27 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was Speedy delete g1, repeatedly reposted hoax, will salt. NawlinWiki 13:39, 27 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Henry Makepeace Glaister-Walker[edit]

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Relates to The Gamma Adventurers League, same reason. Lampman 23:14, 26 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was Delete. FT2 (Talk | email) 02:08, 1 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Washington University Softball[edit]

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Non-notable college Div III team. Speciate 22:54, 26 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. GDonato (talk) 16:11, 3 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]

X-Stroke the Eliminator[edit]

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Character is extremely minor, featured in only half of one single comic book. His entry at List of Amalgam Comics characters is sufficient. Konczewski 22:48, 26 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]


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The result was delete. - Mailer Diablo 17:14, 31 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Students for Life of Illinois[edit]

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Non-notable student organization, puff piece. Speciate 22:49, 26 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]


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The result was delete. - Mailer Diablo 17:13, 31 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Savvier[edit]

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Spam article for a company that lists no references outside of two company press releases. I told the article's author (who -given his witty username- seems to be an employee of the company in question) a few days back that the article needed some references to secondary sources but none have materialized. A Traintalk 22:48, 26 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]


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The result was delete. - Mailer Diablo 17:16, 31 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

World of Warcraft guild[edit]

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This article is pretty much redundant and contains the same information as Clan (computer gaming). Nothing on that page is unique to WoW and the information there pretty much applies to every other MMORPG. --Hdt83 Chat 22:45, 26 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]


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The result was keep. (Non admin closure). Qst 21:07, 1 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Belegaer[edit]

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Article is written almost entirely from an in-universe point of view, offering only two brief, speculatory, and unreferenced relations between the fiction of Tolkein and the real-life world. There are no references in the article and the entire thing is written as a textbook example of WP:NOT#PLOT. I'd recommend deletion unless someone can find another Wiki site to transwiki this to, however I note that this site doesn't appear to be a proper Wiki and has a copyright notice at the bottom, and this site already has a near-exact copy of this article. Hersfold (t/a/c) 22:45, 26 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]


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The result was Delete all--JForget 23:59, 1 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Baby Christmas[edit]

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I know people don't like mass nominations, but these are of a sort and basically suffer the same ills from the same artist(s). They are a bunch of compilation albums, without sourcing to show any notability, all fail WP:MUSIC - the producer's bio was deleted as nn a while ago, but there are literally dozens of these sorts of mixes of common songs/instrumentals recorded by nn people and mass marketed - not notable WP:N. Yes, Bach, Mozart, Beethoven, and the Christmas songs are notable, but these particular recordings etc. of them aren't.

I am also nominating:

Carlossuarez46 22:30, 26 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was Withdrawn by Nominator, defaulting to keep, non-admin closure. TonyBallioni 23:01, 26 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Bulbasaur[edit]

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I'm ending the too-long-lasting discussion once and for all. This discussion has been active for far too long. Once this discussion is over, everything that's not part of the final results, should be reverted. Agreed? TheBlazikenMaster 22:28, 26 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

  • I missed the actual discussion part. I think this should be Snowball Closed because it doesn't meet the standards for AFD and is not what AFD is for.Trevor "Tinkleheimer" Haworth 22:57, 26 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Withdraw TTN is right, so I'm withdrawing it. TheBlazikenMaster 22:56, 26 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was redirect. GDonato (talk) 16:14, 3 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Coleman Intermediate School[edit]

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Middle school indistinguishable from thousands of others. No assertion of notability. Valrith 22:17, 26 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]


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The result was redirect. Content can be recovered from history and merged, if it is deemed appropriate. GDonato (talk) 16:20, 3 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Indigeridoo[edit]

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Non-notable fictional play with very little content other than song lyrics whose inclusion must be dubious on copyright grounds. The remaining content is already in We Can Be Heroes: Finding The Australian of the Year Mattinbgn\talk 22:17, 26 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]


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The result was Withdrawn by Nominator defaulting to keep non-admin closure. TonyBallioni 02:30, 28 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Hans Stern[edit]

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Non-Notability. Article created day he died from the obituary. His Jewelry company does not have an article (that I could find), and that is what he is supposedly notable for. Trevor "Tinkleheimer" Haworth 22:06, 26 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Snowball Keep/Withdraw - I guess I don't know much about notability eh. I assumed it was made out of his death. Please close this and keep it, sorry about the misunderstandingTrevor "Tinkleheimer" Haworth 04:18, 27 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. - Mailer Diablo 17:18, 31 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Sandra Broman[edit]

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Non-notable person. No claim of notability, no coverage in secondary sources. Fails WP:BIO. Valrith 22:00, 26 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Comment - there may actually be reliable sources. Did you check the Gneews results I posted above? -- Whpq 20:59, 29 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]


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The result was delete. - Mailer Diablo 17:23, 31 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Carrie Hayden[edit]

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Delete nn musician, fails WP:BAND and WP:BIO. she's unsigned, no releases under a label. To quote the article "Carrie currently holds a job in a busy Liverpool City Center shop to fund her path to "international superstardom". Her musical talent remains unsigned to any record label at present but with Carrie's prospects, a signing is thought likely among fans. Carrie continues to hold occasional shows at bars in the Liverpool area" which sums up her claim to fame - I speedied it before as A7, now its back and I'll let the community decide because it'll no doubt keep coming back until the community does. Carlossuarez46 21:33, 26 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

  • comment: this article has already been deleted recently and I advice the author about the copyright violation into this article, so I think it meets CSD A7, G11 and G12. Martial BACQUET 07:05, 27 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]


Comment - please see this info about other articles and your comment above. --BlindEagletalk~contribs 13:44, 29 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Delete Aside from the fact that "She's as good as this other artist" means nothing regarding her own notability, the Alexis Blue article has references, whereas this one does not. Frog47 15:38, 31 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Quote from Notability Guidelines for Musicians: "Has become the most prominent representative of a notable style or of the local scene of a city" - This is explained in the article, Miss Hayden is the "most prominent representative" of slow/acoustic music and the ONLY popular local musician to perform any style other than Rock, Pop or Indie. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Adlen (talkcontribs) 19:23, 27 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Comment The policy also says, "the article in question must actually document that the criterion is true. It is not enough to make vague claims in the article or assert a band's importance on a talk page or AfD page -- the article itself must document notability." This article does not reliably document any of its claims in such a way as to verify notability. --Moonriddengirl (talk) 19:55, 27 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I THINK she has done a N.America tour but I don't have full details, shall schedule a meeting with her within the week to find contend based on tour. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Adlen (talkcontribs) 19:12, 28 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Comment: please note that regardless of what she says, the information will not help the article unless it is reliably sourced through second-hand, reputable sources. --Moonriddengirl (talk) 20:22, 28 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]


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The result was delete. - Mailer Diablo 17:24, 31 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Twilight (2010 movie)[edit]

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While the title says "2010" movie, the article claims the film will be released in 2008...which just shows there is very little known about the project. It is uncast and has merely been anounced. When something more concrete has happened the article can return. For now, it is simply crystal ballery. IrishGuy talk 21:22, 26 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]


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The result was Speedy Deleted. IrishGuy talk 21:25, 26 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Free console guide[edit]

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Looks a bit like spam...? KMS 21:21, 26 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. The arguments to delete per WP:RS and WP:N are based in policy. GDonato (talk) 16:25, 3 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Suzanne van Bommel[edit]

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This person is notable for being a candidate for an office. The article offers no sources, and my googling turned up only minimal sources; I am not convinced that she meets the notability criteria. Will she still be notable if she loses? In my opinion, no. -FisherQueen (talk · contribs) 21:17, 26 October 2007 (UTC) FisherQueen (talk · contribs) 21:17, 26 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]


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The result was delete. - Mailer Diablo 17:27, 31 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Infosim[edit]

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Not notable -- see Talk:Infosim for details. A. B. (talk) 20:41, 26 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Comment -- there are more articles about other companies that are somewhat like this listed at Talk:List of network management systems#Non-notable entries. Some are obvious deletion candidates, others less clearly so. Other editors' help in assessing which to keep and which to delete would be appreciated. --A. B. (talk) 19:22, 27 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]



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The result was keep. GDonato (talk) 16:40, 3 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Sal Brinton[edit]

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Yet another parliamentary candidate. The closeness of the result and reselection are not notable features in and of themselves. There are thousands of such candidates in elections around the globe. Timrollpickering 20:19, 26 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

keep: Whilst the candidacy stuff is at the top of the article and is insufficient, the other information - positions, honorary awards, etc - suggests that there are other reasons she can be confirmed as notable. --AlisonW 23:19, 26 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]


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The result was delete. - Mailer Diablo 17:29, 31 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Caligare[edit]

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Non-notable article created by User:Caligare and previously deleted twice. See Talk:Caligare for notability comments. A. B. (talk) 20:13, 26 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Also, Image:Caligare.gif should be tagged for deletion if this article is deleted. --A. B. (talk) 18:35, 27 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Comment -- there are more articles about other companies that are somewhat like this listed at Talk:List of network management systems#Non-notable entries. Some are obvious deletion candidates, others less clearly so. Other editors' help in assessing which to keep and which to delete would be appreciated. --A. B. (talk) 19:20, 27 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]



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The result was no consensus. Arguments for both keep and delete are present and fairly equal. GDonato (talk) 16:48, 3 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Timothy Hill[edit]

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This page is primarily being nominated because it appears to be of a nonnotable subject. There are hundreds of press secretaries on the 1.5 sq miles of Capitol Hill. Also, and this is perhaps conjecture, but this subject has been the focus of some investigations by the media as to whether or not it is autobiographical. See here and here. I am simply trying to begin some debate on this topic and am interested on what the Wikipedia community has to say. Daysleeper47 19:56, 26 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Delete - Per the nom, as the person is simply not notable. - NeutralHomer T:C 19:58, 26 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Weak keep I would agree that being a press secretary in and of itself means NOTHING with regards to notability. However, there are some tenuous claims to notability, per the Wikipedia page blanking scandal, which are cited in the article. I can see where this might be used to establish notability; heck, the Seigenthalar controversy made some Wikipedia users notable enough to have an article for themselves. Its not MUCH, but it is SOMETHING. --Jayron32|talk|contribs 20:09, 26 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]


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The result was no consensus. There was some support for a merger to a list; if someone wants to do that, see Help:Merging and moving pages for instructions. --bainer (talk) 11:04, 4 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Nukesaku[edit]

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Non-notable characters from a manga series -- here are some of them that I tagged as part of this AfD but there are dozens more -- they should be part of a list, but do not deserve to each their own page.

  1. Enya Geil (links)
  2. Steely Dan (JoJo's Bizarre Adventure) (links)
  3. Arabia Fats (links)
  4. Mannish Boy (JoJo's Bizarre Adventure) (links)
  5. Cameo (JoJo's Bizarre Adventure) (links)
  6. Midler (links)
  7. N'Dour (JoJo's Bizarre Adventure) (links)
  8. Anubis (JoJo's Bizarre Adventure) (links)
  9. Mariah (JoJo's Bizarre Adventure) (links)
  10. Daniel J. D'Arby (links)
  11. Pet Shop (JoJo's Bizarre Adventure) (links)
  12. Terence Trent D'Arby (JoJo's Bizarre Adventure) (links)
  13. Kenny G (JoJo's Bizarre Adventure) (links)
  14. Vanilla Ice (JoJo's Bizarre Adventure) (links)
  15. Nukesaku (links)

Llajwa 19:52, 26 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]


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The result was delete. - Mailer Diablo 17:30, 31 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Kissing moon[edit]

Kissing moon (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD)

Deltion nomination Contested prod. This is a dictionary definition and, per WP:DICDEF, Wikipedia is not a dictionary. Another Wikimedia site exists for articles like this, and that is Wiktionary. This reasoning was explained in the original prod. The prod was removed, and a single sentance was added indicating that Stephen King has used the term. OK. Even if true, that doesn't make this any more of an appropriate encyclopedia article. Jayron32|talk|contribs 19:52, 26 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]


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The result was keep. Carioca 00:38, 1 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Bernabé Ballester[edit]

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No assertion of notability - fails Wp:bio. Llajwa 19:15, 26 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]


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The result was Delete The very premise of this article is based on original research in the respect that it is trying to quantitatively compare the opinions of disparate sources as to what constitutes the "greatest ever" television series. Some of these entries are being touted as "greatest ever" based on time aired, some on determination in various magazines. At this point there isn't even anything worth merging or refactoring in this article but if I had to give any recommendation it would be better to do fresh lists that were source specific (i.e. Best Television shows according to "Reliable Source X") and tie them together with a master list.--Isotope23 talk 20:28, 1 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Television series considered the greatest ever[edit]

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This is the second time this article has been proposed, yet having watched the page since the previous nomination was closed on 14 June 2007, it appears to have progressed no further than being a heated debate between Plasma Twa 2 and AKR619 which at one point led to it being protected. To me, it appears that the rules for inclusion have been decided by two individuals and a brief look at the edit history[6] reveals nothing but editor's point of view, which violates any number of policies but specifically WP:NPOV. The recent deletion of Actors and actresses considered the greatest ever has concreted my suspicion that this article is probably not going to progress beyond being a magnet for POV. Bob talk 18:41, 26 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Note to closing admin. Consensus can change. Using the past AFD isn't a real reason to keep things. The same goes for "organized lists". Being organized falls under an I like it argument in my view. This user has posted similar comments in other articles that are in their 2nd nomination, and has been told of consensus can change (but just ignores it). RobJ1981 21:34, 27 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]
The rest of this thread is on the talk page.--chaser - t 03:21, 28 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • What constitutes "the most important evaluations" and by whose standards can that determination be made in a POV-neutral manner? Otto4711 15:04, 28 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • And what definition of "archetype" do we use and what non-POV standard do we use to decide that a source's calling a show "archetypal" is sufficient to warrant inclusion and how is that any different from calling it "the best ever"? Otto4711 19:46, 29 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • Hmm, maybe, or perhaps it was because the discussion gained a consensus that it had the same problems as this article? Bob talk 14:16, 31 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • No, it was what AKR said. There was a consensus on the talk page, yeah, but in the actual discussion nearly everybody said something about an actor that wasn't/was on the list. Kind of irritating. But that article had more problems then this one. That one was all rewards and box office success. Anyway, Bob. Please read WP:WIGAD. It seems your complaint is about nothing ever happening to this article, which in no way is grounds for deletion. And it has already been established that greatest ever lists are encyclopedia-worthy (See films considered the greatest ever. If it survived two afds with large support then it clearly belongs on wikipedia). And, according to WP:WIGAD; "As long as the topic of the article is appropriate for Wikipedia, the article should never, ever, ever be deleted." --Plasma Twa 2 18:34, 31 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • Um, that isn't actually a policy. Bob talk 23:18, 31 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • I never said it was. I just told you to read it, since it's there to make Wikipedia a better place. --Plasma Twa 2 23:20, 31 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was delete. - Mailer Diablo 17:30, 31 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

The Mountain Firework Company[edit]

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Band with one self-released album; fails WP:MUSIC. It is claimed that their music has been used in a TV program, but apparently this has not lead to significant secondary coverage. PROD was contested in January. -- Sent here as part of the Notability wikiproject. --B. Wolterding 18:39, 26 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]


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The result was keep/no consensus. There is certainly not a consensus present to delete though. GDonato (talk) 16:56, 3 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]

List of anarchist musicians[edit]

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Unreferenced, indiscriminate list. Categories work much better than lists like this and List of anarchist poets. Only bands that have been explicitly identified as anarchists should be included here and as there are no sources we should not have such a list. violet/riga (t) 18:33, 26 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Comment, an article/list is only doomed to OR if editors don't do their "job" and find sources and citations. Your argument is a strawman that could be used for ANY article. Nobody has claimed that "politcal" equals "anarchist". Murderbike 21:28, 29 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

To the keep voters: Please tell me how this list is in any way better than a category. It does not organise things by date or sub-genre. The title is incorrect as this is a list of bands and not musicians. It is totally unreferenced and sourcing it would be something of a pointless duplication of putting the references into the articles. I am tempted to speedy it based on these points and regret placing it on AfD - I hope these points will be taken into consideration by the closer rather than counting votes. violet/riga (t) 22:15, 29 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Comment, I think Jello Biafra, John Cage, Daniel Carter, Robert Eggplant, Andrew Eldritch, Emcee Lynx, Tom Frampton, and many others would be surprised to find out that they were bands, and not musicians. If you want it organized by date or sub-genre, why don't you do that? Murderbike 00:53, 30 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]
You managed to find a couple of examples - well done, that accounts for a tenth of those listed there. I don't think the list will ever serve a decent purpose hence me not wanting to try and improve it - it's a pointless list that is redundant with the use of categories. violet/riga (t) 11:34, 30 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Yeah, that's because i stopped at "F". The point was made that your generalization was wrong. And anyway, what makes people in a band not musicians anyway? Murderbike 17:33, 30 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Right, shall we look at A then? A//Political, A Silver Mt. Zion, Against All Authority, Against Me!, Amebix, Antischism, Antisect, The APF Brigade, The Apostles, Atari Teenage Riot, Aus-Rotten, Autumn Poison. That's every A there and how many of them are musicians? None, they are all bands and are thus not musicians. Pedantry is rather unproductive in such circumstances. violet/riga (t) 18:49, 30 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]
You want to talk about pedantry? YOU were the one who claimed that the title makes it a list of "musicians", not "bands", but still haven't explained how it is that bands aren't musicians. Murderbike 18:55, 30 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]
And anyway, if the title of the article is at issue, then the solution if to move the article, not delete it. Murderbike 19:02, 30 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]
A musician is an individual and therefore this should be a list of people, not groups. That is just one of the reasons that this list is poor, and the fact that this should be a category is the primary reason for deletion. violet/riga (t) 19:24, 30 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Comment, for what it's worth, I found eight sources in 25 casual minutes while I was doing other things. Claiming that sources are hard to find is a pretty poor reason to delete an article I think. A) It's totally subjective as to what constitutes "hard to find", and B) Everything's "hard" to source, but it's got to be done, and is C) way more productive than deleting articles/lists. Murderbike 06:27, 31 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]


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The result was delete. GDonato (talk) 17:06, 3 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Sadhu Mirandal[edit]

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Fails WP:NF, unreferenced, no notability asserted. Girolamo Savonarola 22:01, 20 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]


Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so that consensus may be reached.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, MastCell Talk 18:19, 26 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]


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The result was speedy per A7 - the "hottest in the country" phrase is not a claim of notability for this person. Fut.Perf. 22:00, 26 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Bo Jeeka[edit]

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Contested prod so off we go through the motions... Prod nomination is "Apparently non-notable - never played at any kind of level other than school. Not speedying due to that "Hottest in the country" claim.", don't see anything further to add to that. iridescent 17:58, 26 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was Delete. --Tikiwont 09:36, 2 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Jamie Parker[edit]

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Local politician without substantiated claims to notability. Fails WP:BIO. -- Sent here as part of the Notability wikiproject. --B. Wolterding 17:57, 26 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was keep. - Mailer Diablo 17:31, 31 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Etobicoke Collegiate Institute[edit]

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Non-notable school. Fails WP:ORG. Delete J 17:40, 26 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]


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The result was delete. - Mailer Diablo 17:32, 31 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Ayman Ashraf[edit]

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Article provides no references, and may be a hoax. Google has no references to such an individual, so far as I can determine. Prod tag was removed without comment by an anonymous user. ZZ Claims ~ Evidence 17:34, 26 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]


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The result was speedy deletion, no assertion of notability. Fut.Perf. 21:57, 26 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Bob's Burgers[edit]

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Prod removed, concern is general notability of the subject Kwsn (Ni!) 17:32, 26 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. - Mailer Diablo 17:33, 31 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Everyday Sunshine[edit]

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No assertion nor evidence of notability for either the documentary nor it's creators. TexasAndroid 17:29, 26 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

The documentary is in production. I will add an infobox and a link to their web site. Henry kumagai 20:05, 26 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

More than that is needed. You need to provide reliable, independant, non-trivial references to establish the film's notability. Notability is at the core of this deletion discussion. If you can show that the film is notable, by the standards of the project, then great. If you cannot, then the article will most likely be deleted. - TexasAndroid 20:44, 26 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]


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The result was no consensus to delete, but requires sources. Redirecting to Proud Mary would be acceptable, subject to consensus, until secondary sources are available. --Tony Sidaway 18:28, 4 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Paul Newsome[edit]

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Notability claimed, but not demonstrated. I was unable to find any evidence of notability searching for additional sources. Toddstreat1 17:20, 26 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was withdrawn by nominator. —Preceding unsigned comment added by JHunterJ (talkcontribs) 16:09, October 27, 2007 (UTC)

Amedio Jungle[edit]

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This is all obvious cruft and plot summary information Pilotbob 04:31, 26 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I am also nominating the pages below for the same reasons. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Pilotbob (talkcontribs) 04:32, 26 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Flanaess (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views)
Oerth (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views)
Krynn (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views)
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  • Comment. Oerth and Krynn are more than just "names"... they're the setting of large numbers of modules and novels, and are directly the subject of various books that are specifically information about these worlds to provide background for campaigns set on them -- [7], [8], [9] are some examples. Pinball22 18:53, 26 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment I can't comment about the notability of the books you have cited, but unless I am mistaken, they are categorised as primary sources. Copying the place names from a book instructions does not make these books or places any more notable. I will admit that writing books that mimic D&D does make commercial sense, but there are no secondary sources to demonstrate commercial or literaty notability. --Gavin Collins 22:05, 26 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • The problem seems to be that they're larger than that. Krynn, for one, is the setting of *checks* HOLY EFFIN EXPLETIVE 190 NOVELS, and as mentioned above, analytical works have been published specifically about it. --Kizor 19:05, 26 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was keep. (Non admin closure). Qst 21:13, 1 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]

DreamHost[edit]

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This company is non-notable, they fail both WP:WEB and WP:CORP. The article needs to cite more sources. Delete J 16:53, 26 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]


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The result was Delete. --Tikiwont 09:42, 2 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Lewis rainer[edit]

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I am not convinced that this person meets the notability criteria. There is a source, but it's a fan site, and I can't find any more reliable sources with my own googling. FisherQueen (talk · contribs) 16:08, 26 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete and redirect. Kwsn (Ni!) 03:59, 1 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Christian Bible[edit]

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Content fork of this diff of "Bible" to this diff of "Christian Bible", with Hebrew Bible section removed. uɐɔlnʌɟoʞǝɹɐs 16:07, 26 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Delete making it a redirect to The Bible. Obviously these two articles are about the same thing, so they should be one article. The redirect is the best solution. 199.71.183.2 19:17, 26 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Comment Please don't take offense at this, but am I wrong in thinking that Christian Bible and Bible should be Merged because they might be the... same? Mindraker 19:35, 26 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]
The argument appears to be that since there is a holy book sometimes referred to as the Hebrew Bible, the articles should be independent of each other. I disagree, but I can see the point.--uɐɔlnʌɟoʞǝɹɐs 19:45, 26 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Comment Oh, I see what you're saying. I thought they called it the Torah, instead of the 'Hebrew Bible'. Or is that essentially what "Torah" means? If that's the case, the specification of "Christian Bible", and then "Bible" might be necessary. Mindraker 20:03, 26 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]
If this article stays then Bible must be rewritten to be about Bibles (i.e. scriptures) in general, but I think that's a second rate solution. My understanding is that Jews call their Scriptures the "Hebrew Bible" only to explain what it is to non-Jews, and would never call them "The Bible" if they could avoid it. 199.71.183.2 20:21, 26 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]
According to our own article, Hebrew Bible is just a term for portions of scripture common to the Hebrew Scriptures and Christian Old Testament. 199.71.183.2 20:45, 26 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Comment: "Bible" might be a good disambiguation page -- going to things like "KJV", "Hebrew Bible", "Christian Bible", etc. Mindraker 21:12, 26 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]
The disambiguation page is Bible (disambiguation). Scripture need not equate to Bible. For example, The Book of Mormon is scripture for Mormons, but it is not part of the Bible. jonathon 02:46, 28 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Taoism has its own names for its scriptures, and Hinduism doesn't seem to have an equivalent. Non-Christian religions seem to refer to their scriptures as 'Bible' only when they are seeking to explain them to those of Christian culture. Like Christians might try to explain the Bible to a Muslim as "The Christian Koran". 199.71.183.2 15:47, 29 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was delete - clearly fails WP:BIO. - KrakatoaKatie 11:12, 4 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Alfreda Williams[edit]

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Vanity article with no independent sources to indicate that this local politician is in any way notable. Cap'n Walker 16:00, 26 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

  • Comment. If you are referring to the article about public computer records, I saw it. The article is about the debated practice of municipalties placing what may be sensitive information online. She is cited as an example of a town clerk engaged in this debate. I don't think that makes her notable. The only other articles I see about her make mention of her in passing. Cap'n Walker 16:15, 26 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was "Delete- along with a four-to-one majority, I also fail to see any notability, especially when the entire article is in-universe and there are no reliable sources." Mike (Kicking222) 03:00, 5 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Nasher Alagondar[edit]

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Non-notable fictional character. Mikeblas 15:56, 26 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. --bainer (talk) 11:17, 4 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Veteran with disputed status[edit]

Closer's notes
Some searching reveals at least some of the text to be copied from an article by Bernard Edelman in the VVA Veteran magazine, January/February 2003 (can't find an online version at the moment) so a merger would not be appropriate.

No-one commenting here was opposed to having some coverage of the topic however, and as Edison suggested, that should probably be done in the veteran article. --bainer (talk) 11:17, 4 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]

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I can't believe this article even exists. Completely original research, cites no sources, unverified, and lists many living people by name. Delete. Crockspot 15:43, 26 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]


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The result was redirect to list of B roads in Great Britain. --bainer (talk) 11:35, 4 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]

B3092 road[edit]

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A minor road, with no assertion of notability of any kind. Article consists solely of directions. I tried to redirect this to List of B roads in Great Britain, which would have been the logical step, but was reverted. Suggest delete and redirect. Neil  15:41, 26 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]


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The result was Delete. Tikiwont 17:36, 3 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Moonlit Soup[edit]

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The only thing that kept me from adding a "speedy" template was the line about Perez Hilton, which, although an assertion of notability, does not help the article meet WP:BIO. Ichormosquito 15:39, 26 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

This shouldn't be deleted. He is very popular among the Youtube community. WHATTHEBUCKSHOW's Michael Buckley always mentions him. —Preceding unsigned comment added by KellyRoche (talkcontribs) 17:29, 26 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was Keep. --Tikiwont 10:14, 2 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Port City Java[edit]

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little content, notability, unsourced. This is an encyclopedia, not the yellow pages. Jameson L. Tai 15:02, 26 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

  • Comment. Done. Carson 17:23, 27 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment. It's more of a southeastern business, covering from what I can tell Wilmington/Jacksonville/Raleigh. It doesn't blanket the state, that's for sure. Carson 16:49, 27 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment. So, what exactly happened to "focus on the content, not the contributor"? How is calling me sad not akin to a personal attack? Also, that was posted on my user page, not directed at you in general. Mate, get off your high horse. Carson 16:45, 27 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was speedy redirect. J Milburn 15:11, 26 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Dragon Tails[edit]

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A redirect to the children's TV show Dragon Tales is being replaced with a article about a web comic. The web-comic shows no assertion of notability, and no independent sourcing. Would likely be A7-Web Speedy fodder, except that IMHO it should not be deleted, but restored to the redirect. An AFD will give a few days to see if there are indeed any sources to be found for the web-comic, and if not it will put authority behind enforcing that the page stay as a redirect. TexasAndroid 14:14, 26 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. - Mailer Diablo 17:33, 31 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Steve James (musician)[edit]

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Tagged for speedy deletion as reposted (and contested), but has in the past only been speedied and never discussed, so let's do so now. Tikiwont 14:08, 26 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]


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The result was keep. Ρх₥α 02:38, 4 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]

List of doo-wop songs[edit]

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An unmaintainable list. List of doo wop musicians sufficiently covers the topic; we don't need a list of every doo wop song written, just like there are no List of rock songs or List of hip hop songs articles. 17Drew 01:29, 20 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

But the same (specious, IMO) reason for deletion could be offered for that list, too. Then what? Jeh 23:56, 20 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Well, I'm guessing that there's already a consensus to have lists of musicians by genre since artists often make significant impacts on genres on a genre, unlike individual songs such as album tracks. 17Drew 20:58, 21 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. - Mailer Diablo 17:34, 31 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Prince of Persia 4[edit]

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Violates WP:NOR and WP:CBALL. MrStalker talk 14:04, 26 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]


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The result was delete. - Mailer Diablo 17:35, 31 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Site 42[edit]

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Absolutely ungrounded in reality, with no sources and generally utter BS. Mikael GRizzly 14:00, 26 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]


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The result was delete. Neil  11:02, 5 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]

List of followers of Meher Baba[edit]

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Massive list of people that met someone. The title is not correct at the very least as one section lists people that "served or corresponded with Baba but did not call themselves followers". I'm not sure how useful a list this is considering that the majority are not notable and for the others it's mostly an irrelevance (where otherwise I'm sure it's detailed in their own article or they are included in the appropriate category). violet/riga (t) 13:50, 26 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]


I've removed the two sections listing people who were not followers as they do not conform to title. Cott12 10:48, 28 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]
It still needs sources. Almost every entry is unsourced.Ridernyc 00:28, 30 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]
All the names come from a single 20 volume published encylopedia of his life listed at the bottom. Most also are found in lists from that source that are actually linked to in external links. If every one had a reference, there would be over 400 references, mostly going to the same few pages over and over. Cott12 13:57, 30 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Note - user indefinitely blocked as disruptive sockpuppet. — xDanielx T/C 22:34, 9 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was merge to Change of Mind. --Tony Sidaway 18:36, 4 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Sherrif Webb[edit]

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Yet another piece of Leslie Nielsen cruft. Article concerns a minor character in Change of Mind and sourced exclusively to the article's contributor. ˉˉanetode╦╩ 13:18, 26 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was merge to Wrongfully Accused. which I have done. Could use cleanup, though. Neil  11:00, 5 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Ryan Harrison (Character)[edit]

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Article about a fictional character in a one-off Leslie Nielsen spoof. Most of the article is a plot summary of Wrongfully Accused. ˉˉanetode╦╩ 13:16, 26 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Keep - the protagonist of the film. Otherwise, you can around deleting articles on pretty much every protagonist in every movie that didn't see a sequel. Mikael GRizzly 14:03, 26 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Is the character in any way significant outside of the fiction of the film? Wrongfully Accused is on the margins of notability as is. ˉˉanetode╦╩ 14:13, 26 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Fictional protagonists who have no impact on society beyond the fictional vehicle they're in are not independently notable. Many of thost pages should be deleted. Llajwa 22:38, 26 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was delete, the keep voters didn't provide a valid reason to keep this article, while the delete side agrues policy. This is a Secret account 02:10, 4 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]

List of minor characters on Ugly Betty[edit]

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The notability of the show does not affect the notability of the topic (minor characters). As the title suggests, the list is composed completely of minor characters, most - if not all (I haven't really checked) - of whom only appear in one episode. The characters actually worth mentioning in an encyclopedia, not fanwiki, have relevant information that can be found in episode or main character articles. •97198 talk 13:14, 26 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Wow thanks for finding another article that needs to be deleted. Ridernyc 19:49, 31 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]


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The result was delete. - Mailer Diablo 17:37, 31 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Captain Harrison[edit]

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Article on minor fictional character. There's only one sentence actually describing the character ("first one to die") and a section on who portrayed the character in different adaptations of the fictional work. ˉˉanetode╦╩ 13:13, 26 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]


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The result was keep, with the proviso that unreferenced entries should be removed. --bainer (talk) 11:42, 4 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]

List of Italian religious minority politicians[edit]

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I was going to speedy this as a WP:BLP concern but thought it nicer to bring it here. The article is totally unsourced and claims religious views on numerous Italian politicians, most of whom don't even have their own article, the notability of people in this list is then also called into question. violet/riga (t) 12:47, 26 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

The problem is most of them are historical figures and, although there is no doubt about their affiliation, I can't find a source in the internet and I haven't time to go in a library and do some reasearch. --Checco 18:38, 30 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]
I think that the article is useful as all list of religious politicians or people are. I will put all the references if this is what is needed. --Checco 14:59, 26 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]
I'm working on the references. --Checco 17:18, 26 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]
The work might take some time, so please wait. --Checco 17:33, 26 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]
I inserted many references, so that the argument about lack of refences does not apply anymore to the article. I hope that my work won't be washed away. Thank you all. --Checco 19:34, 26 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Note that one of the sources (the most used for Protestants) links to a list of books of parliamentary speeches. Among these there is a book about Protestants in the Italian Parliament:
8. Evangelici in Parlamento (1850-1982)
Discorsi parlamentari di Giuseppe Malan, Giovanni Morelli, Bonaventura Mazzarella, Giorgio Sonnino, Sidney Sonnino, Giulio Peyrot, Enrico Soulier, Matteo Gay, Dante Argentieri, Giuseppe Bogoni e Tullio Vinay. Introduzione di D. Maselli; a cura di G. Long, 1999, pp. LXII-578, Euro 33,57 (DP02500)
--Checco 23:41, 26 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Whilst everybody claims to ignore The Holy See, the masses do affect how that power is played out.jonathon 00:51, 31 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]


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The result was Delete without prejudice. ^demon[omg plz] 13:49, 26 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Vok Liqueurs[edit]

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This is a list of liquors made by a certain company. Even though it is not a copyvio from their website (was deleted as such but the permission email was sent to OTRS), it is definitely listcruft. Delete. Resurgent insurgent (as admin) 00:12, 19 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Hi, I have just added the rest of the information that was intended to be included with this article when posted. Hopefully this helps it's cause. Jessica.underwood 01:38, 19 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

There is now also an article on the company - see Vok Beverages Jessica.underwood 03:36, 19 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Note that the article on the company "Vok Beverages" has now been deleted. I presume somebody thought it was spam. Jessica.underwood 04:17, 22 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]


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The result was speedy delete per WP:CSD G4 (recreation of deleted material). —David Eppstein 19:01, 27 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Michael Tornambe[edit]

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Substantial secondary coverage for this jockey is lacking. After the first AfD, the article was recreated under a different title, then moved back. -- Sent here as part of the Notability wikiproject. --B. Wolterding 11:34, 26 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was Delete. Tikiwont 16:43, 3 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Air-Therm Inc[edit]

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Non-notable as per WP:CORP akaDruid 11:32, 26 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was no consensus to delete. Could probably do with more sources, though. Neil  10:52, 5 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Fictional Child Prodigies[edit]

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I do not believe that this constitutes encyclopedic material. It is obviously incomplete, and is unreferenced and completely originally researched. -- Anonymous DissidentTalk 11:00, 26 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

selecting notable material for an article is not OR.DGG (talk) 00:05, 30 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was delete.Kubigula (talk) 23:35, 3 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]

INSANIA (Czech Republic)[edit]

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Cluttered, opinionated and unsourced. Seems unencyclopedic. βritandβeyonce (talkcontribs) 11:06, 26 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Comment Needs serious wikification at a minimum. I will vote neutral. Mindraker 23:25, 26 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]


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The result was Delete. —Wknight94 (talk) 03:51, 4 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Grange Junior School, Swindon[edit]

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Non-notable primary school, redirecting is pointless since title is so long. SolidPlaid 09:42, 26 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was Delete. Hut 8.5 07:52, 1 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Mark Mowad[edit]

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Contested prod from August – the prod notice was removed by an IP editor who removed prod tags from 12 articles in 10 minutes. This unreferenced, autobiographical article is from a man who has completed one documentary, about Miss Canada, in 2004. There's no notability here. KrakatoaKatie 09:35, 26 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]


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The result was Delete. Tikiwont 17:19, 4 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Multidisciplinary Academic PerspectiveS[edit]

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There do not seem to be independent sources for this organization in Nepal. A request to WikiProject Nepal turned up none either. (If you do know of sources, please add them.) -- Sent here as part of the Notability wikiproject. --B. Wolterding 09:15, 26 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. Arguments to keep are based on WP:USEFUL and WP:OTHERSTUFFEXISTS, neither of which are convincing. Also a lack of any secondary sources. WP:V is non-negotiable. Neil  10:48, 5 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Timeline of the Ultima Universe[edit]

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No secondary sources can be found to demonstrate notability, as this fictional time line is primarily derived from the Ultima game manuals, which have no significance per se. Gavin Collins 09:08, 26 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I transwikied it to the encyclopedia gamia it can be found here So if anyone wants to edit it feel free to --Cs california 07:30, 28 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Because we have other articles like this is no reason to kepp this, WP:OTHERSTUFFEXISTS.Ridernyc 03:58, 27 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment None of these sources provide any evidence of notability for the timeline itself. --Gavin Collins 20:48, 27 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]
You can call a plot summary a timeline, but it's still a plot summary with no real world context. Ridernyc 22:08, 30 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was delete. Neil  10:43, 5 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Pedigree (band)[edit]

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PROD removed. Request for sources appears to have been ignored. A googles search for "Pedigree" obviously would bring forth a ridiculous amount of hits. However, a google search for Pedigree and Taavi Aavik (a band member) brings forth 18 hits. A search for Pedigree and Margo Rindemaa (another band member) brings forth 2 hits. Non-notable band. IrishGuy talk 08:40, 26 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Sources? -- Sander Säde 09:08, 27 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]
There are two magazines which work with alternative music in Estonia, one was Pläkk and other, current one is Nailboard Magazine. I don't have archive of either one unfortunately.
I got some results from online mags: with Pedigree about Metallica concert about Ghosts and Corpses. EMC page has few reviews. That's the problem with estonian underground journalism. It sucks. Fact of being one of estonian oldest industrial groups is probably written somewhere, but I can't source it right now. As for original research, the Pedigree was founded on 1993, Whaw!Zaiks also claims to come from 1993, but is not really active anymore. Other groups came lot later. Suva Чего? 10:09, 27 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]
P.S. Pedigree released it's first album on 1994, while Whaw!Zaiks on 1998. I do think, that [15] can be used as a source aswell. Suva Чего? 10:15, 27 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was delete. Asserting coverage in several sources without actually providing them is not very convincing. Neil  10:41, 5 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]

AeroFox[edit]

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I believe this was speedied before, but I nominate this for AfD due to sources stated and for general non-notability. It seems to be just another quasi-advertising article promoting the browser. Phgao 07:52, 26 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

*Keep per Cynical —Preceding unsigned comment added by 203.221.238.209 (talk) 12:24, 29 October 2007 (UTC) — 203.221.238.209 (talkcontribs) has made few or no other edits outside this topic. and is likely same person who attempted to close this AfD.[16][reply]

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The result was Keep, with a reminder to actually address the raised points on the basis of the indicated sources and editorial commitment.Tikiwont 16:10, 3 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Minor places in Arda[edit]

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Delete. Non-notable fictional location, fails WP:FICTION. I have noticed in the last few days that most of the articles in Category:Middle-earth locations contain no references to secondary sources, and many are entirely unreferenced. This article cites only the editions created by Christopher Tolkein, so I had tagged the article with ((nn)) and ((primarysources)). Those tags were removed on the grounds that "Christopher Tolkein's work is a secondary source". I believe that this is wrong: as the article Christopher Tolkien makes clear, he edited collections of his fathers' work, completing some unfinished material, but the valuable work of an editor is not a secondary source. Per WP:OR, "secondary sources draw on primary sources to make generalizations or interpretive, analytical, or synthetic claims". Posthumous editions of unpublished works do not meet that test, whether or not the editor completes unfinished material.
I should stress that I have nothing against Tolkien, and I know that his works have amassed a huge cult following even before the release of the blockbuster films. The original works and the films are clearly very notable, as are some major characters and other details but that doesn't mean that every detail of the works is also notable. (See also discussion at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Middle-earth#Notability_of_articles.) --BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 07:49, 26 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

  • Reply Those works are not cited as refs for this article. Do they actually contain non-trivial commentary on the significance of the minor places in Arda? --BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 08:17, 26 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • In any case, per WP:NOTE, "multiple sources are generally preferred" and the test is "significant coverage in reliable sources that are independent of the subject" (emphasis added by me). A compendium by the author's son and posthumous editor does not seem to me to be a remotely independent source. --BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 08:35, 26 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]
As per Iamunknown and Carcharoth below, I would like the article to be allowed more time for improvement. It may be entirely original research, or derived entirely from non-independent sources. But there is also a good chance that some of the non-internet sources mentioned support the article and that those with access to these sources are hesitant to work on the article while the AfD axe hangs over it. --SmokeyJoe 20:42, 30 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was Keep, with a reminder to actually address the raised points on the basis of the indicated sources and editorial commitment.Tikiwont 16:12, 3 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Minor places in Beleriand[edit]

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Delete. Non-notable fictional location, fails WP:FICTION. I have noticed in the last few days that most of the articles in Category:Middle-earth locations contain no references to secondary sources, and many are entirely unreferenced. This article cites only the editions created by Christopher Tolkein, so I had tagged the article with ((nn)) and ((primarysources)). Those tags were removed on the grounds that "Christopher Tolkein's work is a secondary source". I believe that this is wrong: as the article Christopher Tolkien makes clear, he edited collections of his fathers' work, completing some unfinished material, but the valuable work of an editor is not a secondary source. Per WP:OR, "secondary sources draw on primary sources to make generalizations or interpretive, analytical, or synthetic claims". Posthumous editions of unpublished works do not meet that test, whether or not the editor completes unfinished material.
I should stress that I have nothing against Tolkien, and I know that his works have amassed a huge cult following even before the release of the blockbuster films. The original works and the films are clearly very notable, as are some major characters and other details but that doesn't mean that every detail of the works is also notable. (See also discussion at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Middle-earth#Notability_of_articles.) BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 07:43, 26 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

  • Reply Those works are not cited as refs for this article. Do they actually contain non-trivial commentary on the significance of the minor places in Beleriand? --BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 08:16, 26 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • In any case, per WP:NOTE, "multiple sources are generally preferred" and the test is "significant coverage in reliable sources that are independent of the subject" (emphasis added by me). A compendium by the author's son and posthumous editor does not seem to me to be a remotely independent source. --BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 08:35, 26 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • Reply First of all, I wish we had this discussion without turning to AfD, to keep it in one place. Is there any way to do it still? We three are repeating ourselves over four AfD discussions. Uthanc 08:48, 26 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • That would also have been my preference, but if the tags are going to be removed, I think that an AfD is appropriate. I would of course be happy to withdraw the nomination for any article for which "significant coverage in reliable sources that are independent of the subject" have been provided. The reason for separate nominations is that this test may be met for one of more of the articles, but not for all of them. --BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 09:00, 26 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • Reply The Atlas of Middle-earth should serve then; it's independent from the Tolkiens. I think merging into Beleriand (and similar merges for the other "minor places") would be best as it would be easier to defend the notability of the information, but I'm refraining from voting until after more experienced Tolkien enthusiasts have had their say. There may be mention of these in scholarly papers, see Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Middle-earth cosmology. Uthanc 09:20, 26 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • An atlas usually offers only trivial coverage of many places. I'm not familiar with this publication, but without evidence to the contrary, I don't see how a mention in an atlas amounts to significant coverage. It is in any case, only one source; multiple sources are needed. --BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 09:26, 26 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • PS a merge to Beleriand currently seems unlikely to help the notability problem, becaise the article Beleriand itself contains no references other than implicit refs to Tolkein (father or son) — so I have tagged it too with ((nn)) and ((primarysources)). If those tags area allowed to stand, I think that at least a month should be left before considering an AfD nomination for it; there are so many unreferenced or under-referenced Tolkein articles that the editors working on that area have a lot of research to do. --BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 09:36, 26 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • A month? Let's be clear here. We have a small group of editors (the membership may be quite large but the active editors with access to appropriate sources is small) working on a large group of articles. This has been going on for nearly two years now. Slow progress is being made. Episodes like this are either disruptive or prod us to speed up the work/do more work, depending on the attitude and knowledge of the person doing the nomination/prodding (and I mean prodding people to do work, not prodding articles). If you would like to help us organise this better, then please do join in, but don't slap down arbitrary deadlines of a month. How about a weekly collaboration being organised, and the most important articles are queued up to be dealt with? That would show that there is a more organised plan to deal with things? If you look at this and compare it to this, you will see that the total number of articles has decreased by nearly 300. That number will go down more as further merges are performed, and hopefully the assessments will be finished by then as well. Then more work can be done. There is a plan (if not exactly written down), and the end result should be well-written and adequately sourced articles. Carcharoth 14:08, 26 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]
It seems to me that every time I mention notability, the response I get is about merger, but that may not always be the appropriate solution.
The subcategories of Category:Middle-earth locations contain lots of redirects where articles have merged, as evidence of your prodigious good work in merging trivia such as Bridge of Khazad-dûm, the first such article I spotted and which prompted me to look further. The problem, though, is that not even the upmerged articles establish notability. That's why I AfDed these articles: if, as it appears from the current state of the articles, even the upmerged results are non-notable, then you folks may be misdirecting your efforts. --BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 17:13, 26 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Alternatively, we could be reducing the number of AfDs that will be required... :-) Seriously, in the long run that will probably save time. And I'm not joking here. AfDs are incredibly time-intensive. But I thnk we both said we'd wait until after the weekend, so I'll stop there. I do have an hour or so to spare, so will look up some Gondor refs tonight. Carcharoth 18:51, 26 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was Keep, with a reminder to actually address the raised points on the basis of the indicated sources and editorial commitment.Tikiwont 16:13, 3 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Minor places in Middle-earth[edit]

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Delete. Non-notable fictional location, fails WP:FICTION. I have noticed in the last few days that most of the articles in Category:Middle-earth locations contain no references to secondary sources, and many are entirely unreferenced. This article cites only Tolkein's own works and the editions thereof created by Christopher Tolkein, so I had tagged the article with ((nn)) and ((primarysources)). Those tags were removed on the grounds that "Christopher Tolkein's work is a secondary source". I believe that this is wrong: as the article Christopher Tolkien makes clear, he edited collections of his fathers' work, completing some unfinished material, but the valuable work of an editor is not a secondary source. Per WP:OR, "secondary sources draw on primary sources to make generalizations or interpretive, analytical, or synthetic claims". Posthumous editions of unpublished works do not meet that test, whether or not the editor completes unfinished material.
I should stress that I have nothing against Tolkien, and I know that his works have amassed a huge cult following even before the release of the blockbuster films. The original works and the films are clearly very notable, as are some major characters and other details but that doesn't mean that every detail of the works is also notable. (See also discussion at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Middle-earth#Notability_of_articles.) --BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 07:37, 26 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

  • Reply So far as I can see, none of those works are cited as references to this article (there is a mention of "History of Galadriel and Celeborn", but on a v quick search I can't find any trace of that publication). In any case, per WP:NOTE, "multiple sources are generally preferred" and the test is "significant coverage in reliable sources that are independent of the subject" (emphasis added by me). A compendium by the author's son and posthumous editor does not seem to me to be a remotely independent source. --BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 08:34, 26 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was Speedy keep as per WP:SNOW. Capitalistroadster 01:52, 27 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Gondor[edit]

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See also discussion at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Middle-earth#Notability_of_articles. --BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 07:31, 26 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • Reply Those works are not cited as refs for this article. Do they actually contain non-trivial commentary on the significance of Gondor? --BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 08:16, 26 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • In any case, per WP:NOTE, "multiple sources are generally preferred" and the test is "significant coverage in reliable sources that are independent of the subject" (emphasis added by me). A compendium by the author's son and posthumous editor does not seem to me to be a remotely independent source. --BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 08:36, 26 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]
I expected a strong reaction, because I know that Tolkien has many dedicated fans; I would suggest that's one of the reasons why there are so many unreferenced articles with neither assertion nor evidence of notability, because aficionados of a particular subject tend to assume that its notability is axiomatic. That's life, but a cacophony of heated reactions is not relevant either way to the applicability of policies and guidelines.
You're right that I didn't explain my reasons for attaching the ((nn)) and ((primarysources)) tags, because those tags are intended to be self-explanatory through their links to the relevant guidelines. If the editors active in this area are unfamiliar with the guidelines, it would be more productive for them to familiarise themselves with WP:NOTE, WP:FICTION, WP:OR, etc rather than to characterise people as trolls for trying to uphold the policies and guidelines. Frankly, if someone asserting the need for independent sources to establish notability is perceived as a troll by members of a particular wikiproject, then that wikiproject needs to re-examine its culture. --BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 13:12, 26 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]
I am not going to defend the troll comment, but please don't turn this into an examination of the WikiProject. That discussion should take place first at the talk page. As I said below, I understand that you are shocked at some of the comments you have received, but please don't respond just to those comments. If we all keep calm, I'm sure we can reach agreement on what is needed here. Many of the editors here are familiar with WP:NOTE, WP:FICTION and WP:OR. Many are not members of the WikiProject (some are active editors of the articles without being members of the project). I count three members of the WikiProject and one active editor. I assume the rest are AfD regulars. Carcharoth 13:43, 26 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

DarthSidious 10:16, 26 October 2007 (UTC)DarthSidious[reply]

And so on and so on. --Goochelaar 15:22, 26 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was delete. Neil  10:39, 5 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]

ME/CVS Vereniging[edit]

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Patients' group for chronic fatigue syndrome patients in the Netherlands. Article largely written by Guido den Broeder (talk · contribs), who is on the organisation's board[28] and has been warned in the past on WP:COI. No mention of membership, largely a WP:COATRACK on a much larger issue, namely the exact cause and management of CFS. That issue is already spelled out clearly in the CFS article. For these reasons, I propose delete of this article. JFW | T@lk 07:27, 26 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

NPCF is a directory. It shows that ME/CSV is considered genuine, not necessarily that it is notable. The ME/CVS Stichting is a member of the CG-Raad, the Vereniging isn't. But they have heard the Vereniging when developing a protocol. I have not found the evidence that the Vereniging is any more involved with ZonMw either. So point 1 is gone, point 2 is based on that letter you get printed as a reply to an article they ran, point 3 is your opinion, and for point 4, all I have found is that they are being heard. In my opinion, the sources in the article don't support the claim that this is a notable group. Fram 10:42, 26 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Looking a bit further, it appears that the Vereniging was part of an invitational conference by ZonMw on March 20, 2007, and in general ZonMw notes that the patient organisations are involved in the development of the guideline. So this may indicate that your fourth point at least is correct. In my opinion this isn't sufficient as a claim to notability, but other people may disagree. Fram 11:12, 26 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]
You might also want to follow the link to the 3B Platform. Guido den Broeder 11:18, 26 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]
As you might now by now, I have done that before. This is the one where the Vereniging was only heardsee page 93, and complained about that in a letter (see "commentaar op concept..." here[29]). Or was there anything else you wanted to point to? Fram 11:26, 26 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]
You have missed the main point, that the Vereniging is part of a select group of patient organizations for various disorders that develops common policy on guidelines. Guido den Broeder 11:42, 26 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]
And where on the 3B Platform pages does it say that? It would be very helpful if you provide a link, instead of setting me on a wild goose chase. Fram 11:46, 26 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Right at the top, where it says 'het project' ... Guido den Broeder 11:52, 26 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]
(deindent)If you mean the first link on this page[30], it doesn't mention the Vereniging, and it is this one where the Vereniging complained about only being heard afterwards. If you mean somethign else, link to it. Fram 12:01, 26 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Please. Right below is the list of the participating organizations. Guido den Broeder 12:07, 26 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]
So nothing new there. These are the organisations that afterwards complained that they were only heard instead of really "developing common policy", just like I said from the beginning. I don' think I'll comment here again, unless something really new appears. Repeating old arguments is a waste of time. Fram 12:17, 26 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]
No, these are the organizations that participate in the Platform to develop a common policy. Guido den Broeder 19:45, 26 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Comment - if the article does survive AFD, it should definitely be de-coated so to speak, to leave only the rack. It should also be de-puffed, as currently it is a bit too self-promoting for my tastes. Incidentally, I don't see it as having recognition as a patient representative org, but that may be because I don't read Dutch. The lack of english sources is a huge disadvantage for an english encyclopedia. WLU 17:40, 26 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Agreed. The article is now unbalanced, there are far too many references. Some were added only because the notability was questioned, but don't make the article better. I suggest that someone other than me does this. It is rather weak to keep talking about COI if you're not prepared to help out. Guido den Broeder 19:45, 26 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Implied criticism notwithstanding, none of us are obliged to help out. A lack of contributors is a secondary indication of low notability unfortunately. WLU 22:26, 26 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]
that is most definitely not a deletion criterion!!! Any more than the opposite is a reason for keep. DGG (talk) 01:36, 27 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Something that didn't look like it was written by or for their PR department would be a start. I cant' give specifics because I still can't tell what this organization could accomplish, other than waste taxpayer money.jonathon 04:21, 30 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Well, you shouldn't need to. What the association can accomplish is not relevant, only what it has accomplished. By the way, no taxpayer's money is involved. If you think the article is not well written: be bold and edit it. Guido den Broeder 10:13, 30 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

(I have moved the edits User:AvB deleted to Wikipedia talk:Articles for deletion/ME/CVS Vereniging) Fram 09:48, 29 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was Delete ^demon[omg plz] 16:35, 26 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Tyler Thomas[edit]

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Finishing a partial nom. Appears to be a non-notable web site, individual, company, and product -- all in one article. Not quite a speedy candidate, as there's notability (albeit very questionable notability) asserted. Zetawoof(ζ) 06:49, 26 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Delete I don't know about non-notable, most of it seems more non-existant. Article is mainly about a blog site, which probably fails WP:WEB. However mostly this appears to be a hoax. Google shows nothing linking teendrop to anyone with the name Tyler Thomas [31] [32]. Searches for several of the other 'companies' this person supposedly owns return nothing of interest; eFriendzs in particluar is a redirect to teendrop, YouPay (both org and net) appears to be nothing more than squatter pages (apparently at one point however, YouPay.net was a site like paypal according to various message board questions regarding the site [33]), and TreyGotIt returns nothing at all. As for the legal claims, well we need a wp:this is abolute crap policy. The tv show, 'Yo'Trey!' doesn't seem to be mentioned anywhere as far I can see. Don't know why I bothered, but I also emailed the owners of NiggaSpace.com to confirm whether there is any truth to the claims of a lawsuit. If I get a reply and this Afd is still open, I'll put it in here. ARendedWinter 07:42, 26 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

  • Apart from anything else, that's approximately 20 accounts for every person currently living on the planet..... ChrisTheDude 08:59, 26 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was delete. - Mailer Diablo 17:37, 31 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I Wonder (Kanye West song)[edit]

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The article has no references, the song was not even confirmed to be a single thus not notable. Daniil Maslyuk 06:47, 26 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]


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The result was speedy keep (non-admin closure). AFD is not cleanup. Zetawoof(ζ) 06:51, 26 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Child_support[edit]

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The material in this article is too narrow in scope for its title and selectively overlaps material from other sites as a pov branch. This article uses the most general related title, “child support” to focus very narrowly on a select group of government enforcement policies in select countries that are only responsible for a very small fraction of support of children in those countries. The material is already covered in separate pages for each country. The select policies and programs are the result of recent radical reforms resulting from the same political movement and philosophy; representing the view that children are only supported as the result of government force. The article emphasizes this pov by in effect defining the general term “child support” (its title) as inclusive only of those select enforcement programs. Merge of material with pages covering the enforcement policies and programs in the select countries was suggested. This article does not have a npov (credible) reason for existence. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Rogerfgay (talkcontribs)

Speedy, strong keep. Bad faith nomination by editor who is angry that the current article does not reflect his special interest and POV, in support of which he has not produced a single legitimate source or reference. Current article is completely sourced and reflects policy on five continents as well as global convention. DanielEng 06:44, 26 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was Delete. —Wknight94 (talk) 03:44, 4 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Real American[edit]

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Prod deleted by original author. Entrance theme of Hulk Hogan, but isn't notable outside of that. Most of the information is already mentioned in Hogan's article, and this doesn't warrant an article of its own. Nikki311 06:21, 26 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was Delete --Haemo 00:24, 5 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Anacreon Province[edit]

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This is a fictional galactic province that Isaac Azimov created. I prod tagged it, 132.205.99.122 removed the prod tag and stated in its edit summary, "major location in a major work of fiction". I did a quick google search, found Wikipedia and Wikipedia mirrors, along with other wikis, predominate. Unsourced, in-universe, plot summary, no information of value to merge anywhere. Fee Fi Foe Fum 05:43, 26 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was No Consensus default to keep; non-admin closure. TonyBallioni 00:53, 2 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Monkey Day[edit]

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Prior AfD was overturned at deletion review and referred back here to have a closer look at the provided sources. This is a procedural nomination, I have no opinion. ~ trialsanderrors 05:21, 26 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was Delete. —Wknight94 (talk) 03:05, 4 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Team Phantom (Danny Phantom)[edit]

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not notable, unsourced Pilotbob 05:16, 26 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was speedy delete as A7. J Milburn 09:58, 26 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Geminit[edit]

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Not notable Pilotbob 05:09, 26 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Actually, I could go for some speedy deletion Pilotbob 05:10, 26 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was delete. Neil  10:37, 5 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Daniel southern[edit]

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Fails WP:BIO Pilotbob 05:05, 26 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Delete as per nom. DanielEng 07:31, 27 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was merge into Hogwarts. I will notify the HP project to proceed. Neil  10:31, 5 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Locations in Hogwarts[edit]

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Crufty, in universe context that cannot be solved by editing, cannot be cited from reliable sources Pilotbob 04:55, 26 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

LOL
  • Can we try to keep the tone a bit... eh, never mind, wasn't a big deal. Anyway. It bears noting that that's as inaccurate a characterisation as it can possibly be. This is about the best-known fictional setting of this time and of all of history. --Kizor 16:11, 28 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Note - user indefinitely blocked as disruptive sockpuppet. — xDanielx T/C 22:25, 9 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was delete. east.718 at 01:38, 11/4/2007

Shelby Bell[edit]

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Fails WP:BIO for porn actresses Pilotbob 04:52, 26 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. - Mailer Diablo 17:38, 31 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

CDO Soccer Club[edit]

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Fails notability criteria, local soccer club Pilotbob 04:40, 26 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]


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The result was delete. east.718 at 01:30, 11/4/2007

Sir Guthrie[edit]

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Delete I have reservations whether either of these guys were Sir Guthrie, as the normal convention is Sir <given name> nor Sir <surname>. If that is so, this dab is unnecessary Carlossuarez46 04:40, 26 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. - Mailer Diablo 17:38, 31 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Ty Rosenow[edit]

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I don't see any assertion of notability in this lengthy, unsourced article. I also suspect it's autobiographical (editor's username is an "alter ego" of the subject of the article.) I just don't see him meeting WP:BIO. Pigman 04:38, 26 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]


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The result was no consensus. east.718 at 01:29, 11/4/2007

Anabukinchan[edit]

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This does not meet notability criteria, the old AFD is very old and should be reconsidered. Also sounds like original research with no reliable sources Pilotbob 04:21, 26 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

The nomination was originally placed at the top of the original 2005 VfD (can be seen here) I am splitting off this nomination onto its own page. -- saberwyn 04:29, 26 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Comment: I don't see how being a advertising character for a company that itself is not notable enough for inclusion warrants an article here. Pilotbob 00:38, 27 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]
While there isn't currently an article for Anabuki that I know of, if someone created one they'd pass WP:CORP by miles and would be in no danger of deletion. See this page for some stats. Andrew Lenahan - Starblind 11:34, 28 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Comment: If this survives the AfD, a line needs to go into the article explaining the breasts thing. It's a silly simple pun, really, but this is not explained, not in the article, not in the bumbling guesswork of the so-called "explanation of the lyrics" link. TomorrowTime 07:29, 27 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]
It does need third party sources, which are available in Japanese.jonathon 04:24, 30 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment Would they be reliable secondary sources? If they just say "This is a funny video", they would be of no value. --Gavin Collins 11:11, 30 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was close, not an article, but a redirect. In addition, redirects and cheap and this one seems perfectly valid. --Cpt. Morgan (Reinoutr) 10:11, 26 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Lesnar[edit]

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This is a useless redirect that serves no real purpose. Brock Lesnar has never been known as just Lesnar in his career. As a note: I tried to speedy this, but it got declined. RobJ1981 04:18, 26 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. - Mailer Diablo 17:39, 31 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

List of book publishers in Kerala[edit]

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Directory list of non-notable publishers, possibly created just to include some linkspam. Masaruemoto 03:58, 26 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]


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The result was delete. - Mailer Diablo 17:40, 31 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Syed Ali Imam Al Mamun[edit]

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Vanity biography of non-notable subject. No reference. Arman (Talk) 03:30, 26 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]


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The result was Redirect to Crozet, Virginia. --Haemo 00:21, 5 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]

J. T. Henley Middle School[edit]

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WP:OUTCOMES#Education reports that the general consensus is that usually only high schools are kept; non-notable middle and elementary schools aren't. J-ſtanTalkContribs 03:22, 26 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was κЄ٤Ϸ. krimpet 00:51, 30 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

List of Unicode characters[edit]

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I know it have been nominated twice in few months but i believe the users who previously voted don't know the full reasons why it should be deleted. I will list here:

SSPecter Talk|E-Mail 02:47, 26 October 2007 (UTC).


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The result was keep. - Mailer Diablo 17:42, 31 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Perfect crime[edit]

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No relevant references; article is speculative with no verifiable information. Gingerwiki 02:37, 26 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

  • Comment Please don't vote "speedy keep" unless you really mean that the nomination was in bad faith or an obvious misunderstanding. It isn't an intensifier. --Dhartung | Talk 06:03, 26 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • I say what I mean and mean what I say. Since the article contained a reference already to a work of the BBC's science/fact dept, the stated reason for deletion is voided. Colonel Warden 11:10, 26 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • Apologies; I on the other hand didn't say exactly what I meant. The article does contain a reference. What I was trying to get across is that most of the content of the article is more conversational than encyclopedic. The first sentence is a useful definition, but the rest doesn't say much. Should it be a Wictionary entry?Gingerwiki 00:38, 27 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]



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The result was Delete. --Tikiwont 10:56, 2 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]

A Night in the Dark[edit]

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Contested WP:PROD. Notability concerns per WP:MUSIC: "Demos, mixtapes, bootlegs and promo-only records are in general not notable." No sourcing provided. Google hits 43 distinct, but I don't find any reliable source to substantiate notability for this bootleg. Moonriddengirl (talk) 02:37, 26 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]


Its on the official Celtic Frost web site....look by yourself, and this bootleg is not obscure, In their website they placed only the most important releases (i suppose you know there are hundreds of bootlegs of many bands unregistered)Wayavas1337 16:37, 28 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was not an article, but a redirect, --Cpt. Morgan (Reinoutr) 10:05, 26 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

USAF Histporical Research Agency defines Wings[edit]

This is a mispelt redirect that no-one is likely to search for. It should be deleted as per the previous USAF wing redirect deletion debate. Buckshot06 02:37, 26 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. - Mailer Diablo 17:43, 31 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

KRFH[edit]

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One-watt student radio station that seems to lack (and for which the article doesn't really assert) notability. An AfD for a nearly identical version was started yesterday, but I'm not sure whether this recreation can be speedied under G4, since the article was speedied then before the discussion got very far. Deor 02:03, 26 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

This is a legitimate student run radio station that has been in operation for 17 years. It runs side by side with a journalism class at Humboldt State University. There are 55 people currently in the class that have been instructed to add content to this page. This second article was added because the first was taken down despite a ((hangon)) tag being added. This article needs to stay on wikipedia, as its notability will be established in the coming weeks. DO NOT REMOVE — Preceding unsigned comment added by KRFH610AM (talkcontribs)

Notability has to be established as soon as the article is created. An article can be deleted the same day its created. TJ Spyke 02:29, 26 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Note. Just adding that, according to the article Carrier current, stations like this one (it's specifically listed in that article) are not licensed by the FCC, and their broadcasts reach a minuscule area. FCC licensing is usually considered one of the major notability hurdles in deciding whether to keep a radio-station article. Deor 15:10, 26 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Wikipedia isn't a hosting server for vanity pages as class projects! Delete. Llajwa 18:39, 26 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Delete -


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The result was Delete - The raised concerns do not just amount to the current form of the page. Tikiwont 18:17, 4 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Secrets of the Clans[edit]

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This article is just a massive plot summary of the novel. There is no sourced information to prove its notability. Beyond the many sections of plot summary, there are only two sentences about the novel, none of which assert notability or have sources. Metros 01:32, 26 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was Delete. Keep votes - I mean "Revise" votes - look meaty and cite no policy. —Wknight94 (talk) 02:56, 4 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Firestar's Quest[edit]

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This article is nothing more than a plot summary. There is nothing in here that asserts its notability. There are no sources at all in the article. Without the massive plot summary and "other" section, there are only 2 sentences about the book. Metros 01:27, 26 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Delete as nominated by Metros; lack of reliable secondary sources is not compensated by plot summary. --Gavin Collins 11:17, 30 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was Keep. Hut 8.5 07:54, 1 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Marcia Yockey[edit]

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Memorial of a very nice lady. Fails, however, WP:BIO. Brewcrewer 21:43, 25 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]


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The result was Keep per WP:SNOW. Like the featured article Prostitution in the People's Republic of China this sort of article is clearly encyclopediac - Peripitus (Talk) 12:10, 26 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Prostitution in Mexico[edit]

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Totally unencyclopedic, plus possible libel issues. —Animum (etc.) 00:57, 26 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I have used credible sources materials on the issues surrounding prostitution in mexicoDwanyewest 01:01, 26 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was Delete. —Wknight94 (talk) 02:49, 4 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]

The Marquis Tower[edit]

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Proposed project of fleeting notability Richard 00:52, 26 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Comment - an enterprising guy came up with a great idea, generated some local publicity but ultimately failed to get the financing and the project is dead for now. It never got past the architect's conceptual drawing. This is just a pipe dream right now and a dead one at that. It doesn't warrant an article or else we'll be having an article on every proposal that ever gets media attention. --Richard 01:07, 26 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Comment I disagree with the nominator. The building is not going to be completed now, but the building did receive zoning approvals from the city and county government. And it did go quite past the architectual drawings and that is why I believed that this article warranted to be listed because it was very close to becoming an Indianapolis landmark here. Much like the Fordham Spire in Chicago prior to its becoming the Chicago Spire after new financing. Indianapolis411 01:24, 26 October 2007 (UTC)--Indianapolis411 01:24, 26 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

OK, so it went further than I thought. Nonetheless, this blog entry from the Indianapolis Business Journal suggests that the project is dead because "Jaron Garrett couldn’t raise enough money to exercise contracts on the run-down properties he had hoped to redevelop. His contracts have expired and the buildings are back on the market for sale." The blog entry continues, "Garrett said today that he’s still interested in the site northwest of Washington and Pennsylvania streets, and he holds out hope he can find enough investor capital to build the proposed 25-story tower." Well, you have to be an incurable optimist to be a real estate developer and Garrett fits the mold. The question is whether Wikipedia should document such speculative and quixotic projects like this. Or, as I would suggest, if Wikipedia should wait until projects are further along (e.g. actually have broken ground and started construction) before creating an article on it. The obvious counter-argument to this would be projects such as the Rebuilding of the World Trade Center. However, this project is not the World Trade Center site. --Richard 01:42, 26 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

This project, though proposed but not completed just like the The Grollo Tower or the 7 South Dearborn in Chicago or even the Tatlin Tower. This proposed project has architectural significance to the city of Indianapolis as it challanged many of the conservative structures that both stand today or have ever been proposed in a city which is greatly and nationally known for its conservatism. This is one of the first architectural designs of such complexity and contemporary thought ever presented and approved in our city.67.162.51.203 15:43, 26 October 2007 (UTC)--67.162.51.203 15:43, 26 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Fair enough. The 7 South Dearborn and Tatlin Tower articles suggest that it is legitimate to have articles on proposed but never constructed buildings. However, the question here is whether this proposed project is notable. It had a fleeting notability within a limited geographical area (i.e. Indianapolis). If you were to go to Chicago, would this project be notable there? Was it reported on by any Chicago media outlets? And that's just to determine regional notability. At the end of the day, would anybody outside Indianapolis know The Marquis Tower from a hole in the ground? --Richard 16:26, 26 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was speedy delete CSD G4, see Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Lil Eazy-E, which was even more objective than this article. -- Samir 00:44, 26 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Lil' Eazy-E[edit]

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Procedural nom: I've declined a ((db-bio)) on it as there seems to be a legitimate assertion of notability - however it doesn't seem salvageable at present. It's also hopelessly non-neutral and I can't see a way to clean the bias out of it without reducing it to a sub-stub. iridescent 00:40, 26 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. Not salted. GDonato (talk) 20:31, 3 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Russian Classical Dance Conservatory USA/ Ekaterina Dance Studio[edit]

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Non notable. The related Russian Classical Dance Education at The Ekaterina Dance Studio has been speedily deleted twice, the first time as an advert, which this version doesn't appear to be. Still fails WP:N. Crazysuit 00:26, 26 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]


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The result was delete. east.718 at 01:26, 11/4/2007

Tagish Elvis Presley[edit]

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Non notable Elvis impersonator whose only claim to "fame" is receiving 40 votes when he ran for leadership of the Yukon Liberal Party, and the only reason that was even news was so they could have a joke headline ("'Hound dogs' didn't vote for Elvis"). In other words, not notable. Crazysuit 00:07, 26 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

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  1. ^ See Wikipedia is not an indiscriminate collection of information; #5 News reports.