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It seems to me that Cewbot changed an ugly but functional link to an ugly and useless one, four times. Do I misunderstand?
None of this is mentioned or even suggested in the edit summary. (The edit summary appears to be an honest description of what else Cewbot did at the same time, and that seems to have been constructive -- although I haven't investigated fully.)
(If this message of mine makes no sense, perhaps Cewbot has done to it what I've described it doing to the article Gianni Berengo Gardin. Please look through the edit history and read my message as I created it.) -- Hoary (talk) 08:08, 20 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]
I don't own Gianni Berengo Gardin, of course -- but anyway, as far as I'm concerned you're welcome to use it as a testing page. Just be sure to clear up any mess that Cewbot makes there! By contrast Gianni Berengo Gardin bibliography has a yuuuge number of these Illm templates, and I think it would be a good idea not to unleash Cewbot on it until you're absolutely, positively, definitively (etc) sure that this won't result in a cock-up. -- Hoary (talk) 08:47, 20 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Oh, Cewbot has already been there. And harmlessly, too. Indeed, beneficially. ¶ I was surprised to learn of the existence of Illm; I'm not sure that I've encountered its use by anyone other than myself. -- Hoary (talk) 08:52, 20 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]
@Hoary: I am sorry I can't reproduce the result. (Please see Special:Diff/730639818.) I guess it is because the data in wikidata changed. However, I will still see to it. If you find any error made by it, please let me know soon. Thank you. --Kanashimi (talk) 10:36, 20 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]
I think that on occasion I've found Wikidata pages that turned out to have no link to any existing page on the subject. But I'm also pretty sure that I checked that at least one link was provided. Indeed, more often than not I reached the Wikidata page via the Italian Wikipedia page. ¶ However, it's conceivable that I made a mistake with the target WD page. If Cewbot encounters ((Illm|WD=Q9525507|XYZXYZXYZ)) (with a non-existent WD target), what does it do? I hope that it doesn't convert this to ((Illm|XYZXYZXYZ|XYZXYZXYZ)): this is (I think) worse than plain [[XYZXYZXYZ]]. (Best would be something like ((Illm|WD=Q9525507|XYZXYZXYZ))((Dead link|date=July 2016))<!-- Cewbot found that WD=Q9525507 does not exist --> -- Hoary (talk) 13:09, 20 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Strange indeed! Unfortunately I'm too busy/lazy/stupid to do any WP programming myself, but is there some way for you to look for ((Illm|X|X)) (where X is any string) within any page Cewbot has worked on? -- Hoary (talk) 22:29, 20 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]
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The bot just added a bunch of "(Level 2)" to the VA2 page, which isn't necessary and makes it harder to identify the level 1 articles. Could that be fixed? Sdkb (talk) 00:32, 24 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Hi. I just want to tell you that between 08:25-08:34, 26 February 2020, the Cewbot added a bunch of a GA and FA icons next to links that already had them on the vital article lists. I was able to get rid of all of them except for the level three list. Just thought this was something you need to know. --72.208.178.248 (talk) 09:07, 26 February 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Hi, same anonymous user from before. Does the Cewbot have 2001: A Space Odyssey listed as 2001:A Space Odyssey? Because it deleted the space I added. --72.208.178.248 (talk) 09:59, 28 February 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Also, is it possible for Cewbot to upgrade the classifications? I'm noticing a lot of good and featured articles that have an additional rating because no one bothered to edit the viral article template on the talk page. --72.208.178.248 (talk) 22:05, 6 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]
I've been noticing that Cewbot has had a pattern of removing and then re-adding all the parentheticals about above levels at the VA lists. Is there any way this could be fixed to reduce the revision history/watchlist clutter? Sdkb (talk) 03:59, 25 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]
I am sorry that since I can not get the topic parameter from page title, So I have a suggest in Template talk:Vital article. Please join the discussion. --Kanashimi (talk) 21:42, 25 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Addition of the link parameter does not properly categorize topics. I'm not anywhere near a coding expert, but I think the solution lies in what is linked to from various VA5 pages. Or I could be completely wrong, who knows. 19:35, 26 March 2020 (UTC)
I am sorry that since I can not get the topic parameter from page title, So I have a suggest in Template talk:Vital article. Please join the discussion. --Kanashimi (talk) 21:51, 25 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Cewbot adding Template:Vital article to Portal talk:[edit]
Some of them can be deleted per CSD G8 as talk pages of a deleted page. The vital portals themselves were destroyed last year. Certes (talk) 23:07, 25 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]
@JJMC89: Thanks for your concern. This week I am testing the bot and therefore made some errors. (You may check the commits.) All errors in code are fixed, e.g., A mass of talk pages (mostly for portals) were created (now deleted) for nonexistent pages., Redirects are not articles, so they should not get ((vital article)). and The bot is indecisive, e.g. Talk:Northeast Region, Singapore.. The |level= is also fixed. The error mentioned above is fixed and will not appears again. But I can not delete the "Portal talk:" pages. For the "Portal talk:" edits, I think it is better delete the pages directly. I can do it myself with permissions or list up pages also. Add a CSD G8 notice for each page is not a good idea. Do you have any suggestions? --Kanashimi (talk) 00:29, 27 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Please point to the specific commits that fixed these issues or the places in the current code that checks/handles these cases. I already deleted the portal talk pages. — JJMC89 (T·C) 07:21, 27 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]
@JJMC89: Thank you for solving "Portal talk:" error.
A mass of talk pages (mostly for portals) were created (now deleted) for nonexistent pages.
You need approval to process CfD outcomes. A non-admin cannot complete all of the requests and you would have to keep your bot operating the same as the others, so I don't recommend it. — JJMC89 (T·C) 19:33, 28 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Talk:Diatonic function (Maintain ((Vital article)): The article is listed in the level 5 page: Music theory (37 articles))
Talk:Ney Rosauro (Maintain ((Vital article)): The article is listed in the level 5 page: Percussionists (3 articles))
Talk:Vaniity (Maintain ((Vital article)): The article is listed in the level 5 page: Adult (25/25 articles))
Talk:Gray hair (Maintain ((Vital article)): The article is listed in the level 5 page: General (55 articles))
Talk:Coat of arms of the United States (Maintain ((Vital article)): The article is listed in the level 5 page: National coat of arms (192 articles))
Talk:Coat of arms of Hong Kong (Maintain ((Vital article)): The article is listed in the level 5 page: National coat of arms (192 articles))
Talk:Print media (Maintain ((Vital article)): The article is listed in the level 5 page: %7b%7banchor%7cGeneral%7d%7d Mass Media (40 articles))
Talk:Bicycle path (Maintain ((Vital article)): The article is listed in the level 5 page: Road transport (91 articles))
Talk:New London Bridge (Maintain ((Vital article)): The article is listed in the level 5 page: Bridges (50 articles))
Talk:Plaster of Paris (Maintain ((Vital article)): The article is listed in the level 5 page: Building materials (26 articles))
Talk:Gypsum plaster (Maintain ((Vital article)): The article is listed in the level 5 page: Building materials (26 articles))
Talk:Geoenvironmental engineering (Maintain ((Vital article)): The article is listed in the level 5 page: Disciplines (52 articles))
Talk:Medical biotechnology (Maintain ((Vital article)): The article is listed in the level 5 page: Biotechnology (66 articles))
Talk:Stem cell biotechnology (Maintain ((Vital article)): The article is listed in the level 5 page: Biotechnology (66 articles))
Talk:Food and beverage biotechnology (Maintain ((Vital article)): The article is listed in the level 5 page: Biotechnology (66 articles))
Talk:Insect biotechnology (Maintain ((Vital article)): The article is listed in the level 5 page: Biotechnology (66 articles))
Talk:Animal biotechnology (Maintain ((Vital article)): The article is listed in the level 5 page: Biotechnology (66 articles))
Talk:Enzyme technology (Maintain ((Vital article)): The article is listed in the level 5 page: Biotechnology (66 articles))
Talk:Bioprocess technology (Maintain ((Vital article)): The article is listed in the level 5 page: Biotechnology (66 articles))
Talk:Immunotechnology (Maintain ((Vital article)): The article is listed in the level 5 page: Biotechnology (66 articles))
Talk:Son-in-law (Maintain ((Vital article)): The article is listed in the level 5 page: %7b%7banchor%7cFamily-in-law%7d%7d Family-in-law (4 articles))
Talk:Daughter-in-law (Maintain ((Vital article)): The article is listed in the level 5 page: %7b%7banchor%7cFamily-in-law%7d%7d Family-in-law (4 articles))
Talk:Great-grandparent (Maintain ((Vital article)): The article is listed in the level 5 page: %7b%7banchor%7cThird-degree relatives%7d%7d Third-degree relatives (3 articles))
Talk:Rasūl (Maintain ((Vital article)): The article is listed in the level 5 page: Beliefs (14 articles))
Talk:Holmsland Dunes (Maintain ((Vital article)): The article is listed in the level 5 page: Deserts and dunes (29/30 articles))
Talk:Frauenmauer-Langstein cave system (Maintain ((Vital article)): The article is listed in the level 5 page: Caves (32/30 articles))
Talk:Pico de Itabirito (Maintain ((Vital article)): The article is listed in the level 5 page: South America (14 articles)_3)
Talk:Zardalou (Maintain ((Vital article)): The article is listed in the level 5 page: Asia (39 articles))
Talk:Tinajani Canyon (Maintain ((Vital article)): The article is listed in the level 5 page: South America (14 articles)_2)
Talk:Matmata Hills (Maintain ((Vital article)): The article is listed in the level 5 page: Africa (32 articles))
Talk:Giessbach Falls (Maintain ((Vital article)): The article is listed in the level 5 page: Waterfalls (26/30 articles))
Talk:Barranco de Mascún (Maintain ((Vital article)): The article is listed in the level 5 page: Europe (39 articles))
Talk:Lake Vaihiria (Maintain ((Vital article)): The article is listed in the level 5 page: Oceania (6 articles))
All of the above were erroneously created after I unblocked the bot. Please fix it or I will need to block it again. — JJMC89 (T·C) 06:47, 29 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]
The bot has made many edits such as this[5] which use a lower-class "ga" or "fa".
That placed the page in three non-existent categories, e.g. in Category:All Wikipedia Ga-Class vital articles which should be Category:All Wikipedia GA-Class vital articles.
The James Webb is not a Vital-4 article. It's a vital-5, and was correctly tagged as such. I don't know who approved your bot, but there's a severe lack of testing here. Headbomb {t · c · p · b}08:54, 10 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]
It seems the section Murder, serial killing, mass murder (53/53 articles) does not formatted properly. The exception will be handled properly. --Kanashimi (talk) 11:30, 10 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Is it possible to make the bot stop adding the former good article nominee symbol to articles that are also currently good articles? I tried removing the FGAN symbols from articles that are currently also Good Articles, but the bot puts them back. see editRreagan007 (talk) 18:20, 19 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks. One more question. Could you also have it remove the FGAN symbol from articles that are also DGA. It just seems redundant to show the FGAN symbol for delisted good articles. Rreagan007 (talk) 04:27, 20 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Hey there. I noticed at Category:All Wikipedia level-3 vital articles that there are some geography portals that have been tagged as Level 3 vital articles by the bot on March 25. I started going through and removing the incorrect tags from the portal talk pages but figured that I should check with you first to make sure that the bot isn't going to just re-add them after I remove them. Rreagan007 (talk) 04:18, 6 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]
FYI, Cewbot made this edit which is a bit broken due to incorrect syntax already being in the article. IDK if you can prevent this kind of thing, but just in case. -- Pingumeister(talk)21:04, 1 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]
The parser treats the ((multiple issues| as unfunctional wikitext. The parser do the same thing as mediawiki's parser. So it is a little complex... --Kanashimi (talk) 21:54, 1 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Template:Orphan#Visibility explains "The template message is visible on all pages where the date parameter is set to either the current month or the previous month (currently June 2020 or May 2020). It is also visible on all pages where it is used inside the ((multiple issues)) template." Therefore, I added Orphan to the maintenance template list. Thanks! (I'm not watching this page – please use ((ping|GoingBatty)) on reply) GoingBatty (talk) 16:24, 20 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Hi. Currently, the bot is adding merge requests into multiple issue templates. This should probably not happen, as the two areas are totally unrelated and require differing processes to resolve. The visibility of the shorter-lived Merge Request Banner needs to be maintained separately to garner the necessary profile to draw people into the discussion. Can this be fixed? Let me know, and thanks for your work. Regards, GenQuest"Talk to Me"20:16, 10 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Just want to warn you, you might want to look at the latest edits by Cewbot. On the level 5, People: Religious figures page, it thought that Al-Shafi'i was no longer a Level 4 article. It did the same thing with Prithviraj Chauhan a few days ago as well. Saturdayopen (talk) 18:36, 20 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]
I don't think Cewbot should be rating articles as A-class[8]. A-class, where it exists, is the result of a Wikiproject review process. When removing GAs, it should default to B class, which seems the usual practice for manual downgrades. Best, CMD (talk) 08:18, 23 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]
You know how each topic has “Total Articles: [# of articles on this topic]/[# of articles this topic should have]” in big letters? I’m not sure the Cewbot is updating that. Saturdayopen (talk) 02:13, 5 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]
So the reason why I was asking if the Cewbot was updating the total article count within the page is because I was adding articles on the People: Politicians and leaders pages under the assumption that there were still thirty-eight people that still needed to be added. Had the total article count had been updated, I would have known that there were already 2,408 people. Saturdayopen (talk) 02:32, 8 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]
@Saturdayopen: I am sorry that the bot will only update counter with the pattern "(000 articles)" in section title. If there is a summary table, it will be updated too. The bot will not update ((huge)). --Kanashimi (talk) 21:58, 9 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]
For the second one, base on the discussion, @Czar:As a courtesy/aid for the closer, if would be really helpful for a bot to inform of the article's PROD eligibility, I think it is the case. Maybe you can give more description and tell us why it is needless. Thank you. --Kanashimi (talk) 22:41, 8 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Kanashimi, I disagree with the conclusion that a previous PROD makes this ineligible to be closed as soft delete. That's my basic objection, and everything else flows from there. -- RoySmith(talk)22:45, 8 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Per the guideline (bold is my added emphasis/underline is in the original):
If a nomination has received few or no comments from any editor with no one opposing deletion, and the article hasn't been declined for proposed deletion in the past, the closing administrator should treat the XfD nomination as an expired PROD and follow the instructions listed at Wikipedia:Proposed deletion#Procedure for administrators. Generally, this will result in soft deletion (see below), but administrators should evaluate the nominating statement as they would a PROD rationale. — Wikipedia:Deletion process#No quorum
Task 1 Convert interlanguage link templates with local article to wikilinks[edit]
This is highly problematic. If an article is created, but later deleted (perhaps a person article that's deemed not notable enough), the ill link is lost and we have a red link instead.
Since the ill template automatically converts itself into a blue link when there is a page, and an "ill link" when there isn't, can I ask you why ill links were considered so problematic they needed to be cleaned out this way? What's wrong with having an ill link that looks and behaves just like a blue link?
The task will convert articles existing more than one week. For the articles created and deleted within one week, the links will not be converted. If you think we should preserve the foreign labels, perhaps the labels in wikidata is a better choice. --Kanashimi (talk) 11:54, 25 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]
User:Michael Bednarek: On Kristin Scott Thomas' page, Alexandra-Therese Keining is mentioned - I added the link using ((ill)) to create a red link and a link to her article on Swedish Wikipedia, then someone created the page, the bot removed the ill, and now Keining's article is tagged for notability. But let's not discuss individual examples. Let us instead discuss whether we should have a bot fix something that should not be considered a problem. Regards, CapnZapp (talk) 16:27, 25 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]
@CapnZapp: Would having the bot replace the inter-language link with [[en-wiki link]]<!-- Was: "wikicode that was replaced", date and time, link to bot task approval --> instead of just [[en-wiki link]] be helpful? It would at least give editors something to "revert to" if the en-wiki link turned red. davidwr/(talk)/(contribs) 16:47, 25 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Since WP:Consensus can change so can the consensus regarding a bot's task. So, while the original discussion of "why" closed when the bot's task was approved, there is always a way to re-open it. I don't know of any specific process to revisit an already-approved bot, but if there isn't, I would start by looking at the reasons it was requested in the first place. If those reasons no longer hold true, raise the issue in the "best" forum. Depending on who requested that bot, the "best" forum might be the relevant WikiProject, the bot owner's talk page, or even one of the village pumps. I haven't dug into this bot-task's history enough to know what the "best" forum is for this particular task. It might be right here, in this thread, on this talk page. davidwr/(talk)/(contribs) 22:05, 25 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Proposed change: Have the bot add the recently-enabled |display=force to ((Interlanguage link)) if the English page exists. You eliminate the expensive parser function call, you don't have the "what happens if the en-wiki article disappears" problem. At least the bot is exclusion-compliant. davidwr/(talk)/(contribs) 14:05, 25 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Comment There are pages with many interlanguage links where |display=force or similar is already in use, such as List of villages in Rivne Oblast. Editors of such pages may not know how to exempt the bot from that page. If the bot is run against such a page, it should put a note on the talk page saying what it did and how to add an exemption. Disclaimer: I didn't check the code or the bot's edit history, so I don't know if this talk-page messaging is happening already or not. davidwr/(talk)/(contribs) 14:05, 25 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]
I'm going to put my BAG hat on and echo Michael above - is there a demonstrated issue or concern (other than the hypothetical "but what ifs") being posted that would impact the running of the bot? Primefac (talk) 15:22, 25 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]
@Primefac: Nothing that would warrant interrupting the approved weekly schedule. I think if anything does crop up in the short term, the affected pages can be added to the exclusion list. That said, I would strongly recommend opening a discussion about how to handle cases where the recently-added |display= parameter is set, since the bot's current actions effectively roll back the will of the editor who added it if there is an en-wiki page if it was added editorially, rather than as a work-around to the expensive parser function problem as it was in List of villages in Rivne Oblast. Right now, this may be hypothetical, I don't know of any cases where |display= is used editorially, but it's new and probably not widely known by users of this template so this could change at any time. No hurry. davidwr/(talk)/(contribs) 15:47, 25 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]
The bot seems very desirable to me. I have seen at least two articles with hundreds of ((ill)) that created too many expensive function calls. For example, see the monster edit mentioned here where I did what I think this bot is doing. Apart from errors or making pages slower to edit, weird syntax like ((ill)) is distracting for editors. There would need to be an extremely good reason to pad out wikitext with lengthy comments. Johnuniq (talk) 22:21, 25 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]
But that argument is not relevant to the issue at hand. The bot is converting ill links to regular links, that can become red, that can be removed. This loses the connection to the other Wiki. If the bot can be instructed to use this |display=force parameter instead of getting rid of the ((ill)) templates entirely, this would solve everybody's concerns, it seems. CapnZapp (talk) 08:11, 31 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]
As mentioned a few times above, if the botop does not find it necessary to update their task to appease your concerns, you can raise the issue at BOTN and get further input from the BAG. Primefac (talk) 13:46, 31 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Maybe this is an idiomatic thing, but "with my BAG hat on" means I'm commenting from a BAG perspective, i.e. "is this an actual issue that BAG needs to look into". If I were ignoring your concerns, I would say "your concerns are silly" or something to that effect. Please stop assuming that every time I say something I'm attaching some double-meaning or hidden attack at you. Primefac (talk) 13:46, 31 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]
I have clarified the approval, restricting it to the article space. This can be changed with further discussion and an amendment. Apologies for the confusion. --TheSandDoctorTalk16:09, 13 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Should Cewbot be making edits like this one, which change other editors' talk page comments? It doesn't seem to be justified by anything in WP:TPO, except maybe, tenuously, through the "etc" in point 16. As that guideline says, "a broken post is preferable to one with altered meaning"; this edit alters the meaning of a post that wasn't even "broken" in the first place. – Arms & Hearts (talk) 15:32, 12 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Thank you for the report. In this case, I think a accessible link may be better, and the bot added the corresponding information. However, it is easy not to make edits on all talk pages. If you have good reasons not to do so, I will change the codes quickly. --Kanashimi (talk) 22:10, 12 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Yes, issues like this are why I felt this should not be operated in talk spaces. Limiting to articlespace is best imo. Perhaps allowing usage in other mainspaces like the Wikipedia namespace would be okay too (eg if policy page links go out of date) but since things like WP:ANI are in the main space and not in Wikipedia talk I think there's too many holes in that idea as well. So perhaps just best to keep it to mainspace for the time being. ProcrastinatingReader (talk) 15:51, 13 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]
That having been said, I'm not sure how overly broad of an issue this is. I mean, it is fixing changed anchors, improving the context of archives for people browsing them later so they can reach discussions and follow them better. So it's overall a net plus. I think it merits some discussion on the pros & cons, but perhaps shouldn't be operated in these namespaces in the meantime. ProcrastinatingReader (talk) 15:58, 13 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Taking my BAG hat off (i.e. commenting on the edit type itself) I would say that fixing a link to a now-broken broken anchor would be a borderline acceptable change of a talk page edit - if someone is looking on a page for a section/anchor and it's simply not there, it makes it rather difficult to understand the argument (I know, I had this problem earlier this week when a link to a discussion pointed literally nowhere, either on the page or the archives). I'd rather have a link fixed (even if it is technically IAR) than it be broken. Primefac (talk) 16:39, 13 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]
@ProcrastinatingReader and Primefac: I cerainly don't disagree that there are some positives, but not that it's a net plus in all cases. In the case I linked to above, the editors's statement that they saw a particular image at Donald Trump#George Floyd protests is rendered simply incorrect insofar as they didn't see the image at Donald Trump#Lafayette Square protester removal and photo op, as the page now says. This isn't disastrous, but it's not hard to imagine other contexts where it might cause greater confusion – particularly cases where section titles are mentioned rather than used. What about, for example, a discussion about a section title that results in a title being changed? Editor 1 might argue that the section Foo#Bar should be changed to Foo#Bars; in the event that their proposed change was made would the bot change "The section called Foo#Bar should be called Foo#Bars" to "The section called Foo#Bars should be called Foo#Bars"? – Arms & Hearts (talk) 17:59, 13 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Fair enough, and a fairly valid reason for not having it approved for non-article uses. Basically, it would be a CONTEXTBOT issue, since there are cases where it would be helpful and cases where it wouldn't. Primefac (talk) 18:34, 13 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]
At any rate there's no need to limit to just the mainspace: all content-related namespaces can be supported: mainspace, drafts, categories, portals, books and templates. As for template space, fixing links in navboxes and sidebars would be useful, but you would want to exclude DYK nomination discussions (which are annoyingly hosted in template space rather than project space). – SD0001 (talk) 19:49, 13 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Cewbot editing closed Afd discussions
Hi Kanashimi. I'm wondering if it's a good idea for Cewbot to edit closed Afd discussions, as it did here. There is a notice at the top of the page saying "The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it." Thoughts? DH85868993 (talk) 12:27, 13 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Thank you for every one giving good ideas above. I change the codes so the task should only modify main space now. I think, maybe we can rule out some prefixes and let the bot modify remaining pages? For example, !/\/(Sandbox|沙盒|Archives?|存檔|存档)( ?\d+)?$/.test(page_data.title) and !/^(Wikipedia:(Articles for deletion|Articles for creation|Database reports))\//.test(page_data.title)in the code? --Kanashimi (talk) 21:54, 13 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]
I also viewed some of the more recent changes the bot has made, to articles about numbers, and it seems to be doing the same thing ... changing section links to other articles and causing them to be broken. If anyone else has been watching this bot's recent edits and seeing further problems, please report them here. MPFitz1968 (talk) 16:53, 22 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Had to take a closer look at those numbers articles I mentioned. A lot of them are correct, but I did find one that led to a broken link ([18]). As I mentioned at the head of my comment, this was a case of an editor changing a section heading ([19]) and then being reverted later ([20]). MPFitz1968 (talk) 17:06, 22 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Hey. I took a skim over recent bot edits. Most look good, but two questions/points:
Special:Diff/988520258 + Special:Diff/988520774 -- I think this was caused by the vandalism in Special:Diff/988518255, although it was reverted within a minute. Still, the bot changed the anchor at 18:01 (when it was already reverted)? Seems like quite a few times when the bot changes an anchor, then changes it back within an hour or so. Maybe worth adding a delay for this case?
Can the bot handle outdated section links which use ((Section link)) rather than the wikilink syntax?
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Hey, I've noticed that Cewbot is recommending AfDs for soft deletion even in instances with bolded keep votes (such as here) as well as discussion without bolded votes but where there are comments clearly opposing deletion (such as here). You've got a very useful bot here, but I think it would be a good idea to look into this. Spirit of Eagle (talk) 03:02, 26 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Thank you for the reporting. For the first case, it is because the vote using <li> arounds it. May be I can detect these cases in the future, but there are also risks of misjudgment. For the second case, the bot do not have the ability to read comments, so it uses "Seems" instead of assert statement. --Kanashimi (talk) 03:40, 26 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Fair enough. Perhaps you could program it to search for terms like “seems notable” or “many sources.” Granted, I know nothing about coding so this may not be feasible. Anyways, great bot and I hope my comments have been of use. Spirit of Eagle (talk) 14:48, 26 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Hello. I'm worried about those templates for Chinese Wikipedia. I guess it is suppose to be Chinese version of "Template:Infobox musical artist" (singer, musician, etc.; without "management/agent" parameter), as for "Template:藝人" must redirect to "Template:Infobox person". Can you reach its consensus first in zh:Template talk:藝人? 115.164.93.220 (talk) 13:41, 2 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Hi, Kanashimi. The way the bot is adding vital article templates on talk pages (sample [21]) has had me busy for weeks trying to tame the clutter it is creating. If you look at Talk:Chagas disease, you will see it uses the WikiProject banner shell (as do tens to hundreds of thousands of talk pages). Could you coerce the bot into adding the Vital article template to the bottom of the banner shell, like this? That would involve looking for ((WikiProjectBannerShell and its shortcut, ((WPBS . Much appreciated, SandyGeorgia (Talk) 14:43, 10 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Also, could you get the bot to use the "topic" or "subtopic" parameters instead of the "link" parameter? Using the "link" parameter places an inordinate amount of articles into Category:Wikipedia level-5 vital articles in an unknown topic pbp17:07, 11 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Sorry that the only way bot using the "topic" or "subtopic" parameters is to maintain a list by hand. In my opinion, using link will more precise and less change of ((Vital article)). There is a related discussion in Template talk:Vital article#Allow `link` parameter. --Kanashimi (talk) 22:15, 11 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]
No, just no... Using the "link" parameter instead of the "topic" or "subtopic" parameter breaks categories and leads to articles being categorized in unknown topics when the topics are clearly known. As such, I've voted in opposition to use of the "link" parameter by bots in the discussion you speak of. pbp04:57, 12 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Also, your bot has also been "deleting" the topic and subtopic parameters to add the link parameter; it's gotta stop doing that. pbp05:00, 12 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Sorry, I am testing codes this two days, otherwise it should only remove ((Vital article)) for those articles that are not vital articles anymore, as the bot did before. --Kanashimi (talk) 05:21, 12 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]
I see Cewbot is still not placing vital articles inside the banner as we discussed above. As an example, could you look at the clutter created at Talk:Transit of Venus by this edit? There is a ((WikiProjectBannerShell| On that page, and the vital article template should go inside it. As I mentioned above, I am having to spend considerable time cleaning up these talk pages. You mnetioned above that this had been fixed. SandyGeorgia (Talk) 09:07, 22 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]
The hatnotes explicitly state both the original locations, and their respective archives. There is no need to "correct" the original location, since it's there deliberately. (Funny that it should only pick on ONE of these only, though – but thankful for small mercies).
There are several more false "corrections". All of these change correct links to link instead to headers on my "Index" subpage, but this subpage is not an archive, but merely, as its name indicates, an index to sections on both my talk page, and on its archives.
The easiest way to stop your bot doing this is probably to get it to skip "pinned" sections.
Well, the use of ((bots)) should be thought of as a last resort only. Treating the "Index" file as if it were an archive file is a bug that needs to be fixed. Your bot should also skip pinned threads, since "pinned", by definition, means there is no archive – so your bot is likely to go wrong on these sections. Hope this helps. --NSH001 (talk) 20:49, 14 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Please explain this edit, in which Cewbot removed the FA listing from Binary search algorithm (as far as I can see from the talk, no delisting has occurred) and instead gave it the obsolete A-class rating (a level that has not been used for mathematics articles for years and should not be assigned without following the proper process for projects that actually use it, if there are any such projects). —David Eppstein (talk) 23:14, 21 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]
That edit does not "remove the FA listing"; only removing the featured template from the actual article, or removing the article from WP:FA would have that effect. I imagine this is part of Cewbot trying to fix another issue. (I do see the bot's edit summary, though, which seems to indicate some misunderstanding.) SandyGeorgia (Talk) 23:26, 21 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks; I suspected this may have been related to what I inquired about above. But more importantly, you still have many errors to roll back ... for example, this is also wrong. Daylight savings time is at FAR, but as of today, is still an FA. When articles are defeatured, FACBot automatically removes the FA from all WikiProject listings. Hawkeye7 can confirm if FACbot also strips it from the Vital article template. SandyGeorgia (Talk) 23:32, 21 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]
I believe I have now reverted all of them. Cewbot should never be assessing (WikiProjects do that), and it should certainly not be assessing A-class, as MILHIST is one of the few WikiProjects that has an A-class assessment process. SandyGeorgia (Talk) 00:01, 22 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Thank you for fixing the bad edits. However, there are classified categories for vital articles: Category:Wikipedia vital articles by class, so I think it is better not to remove the class directly as here shown. There is a related topic: #Cewbot A-class --Kanashimi (talk) 00:36, 22 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]
There is no Class until/unless a WikiProject assigns one. We can't use GA without a new WP:GAN. We can't use A-class without a WikiProject A-class review. We can't assume B-class, because most (or many) defeatured articles aren't. The Vital articles project will have to decide what they want to assign to defeatured FAs. My best guess would be C-class. But FACbot has no choice but to strip the assessment, but the default needs to be assigned by the Vital articles process. It cannot be GA, or A, and I don't suggest B either. By the way, all WikiProjects have unassessed articles, so there's no reason that Vital articles cannot as well, until another WikiProject re-evaluates. SandyGeorgia (Talk) 01:56, 22 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]
I am happy to withdraw my earlier advice about B-class in respect to Sandy's greater experience in the topic. Plenty of unclassified articles out there, perhaps it may prompt someone to take a closer look at an article. CMD (talk) 04:22, 22 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]
It has been discussed many times at FAC, FAR and other places over the years. We really have no choice, since every de-featured article is different, although most are C-class. This has been a perennial discussion, and is a pretty well settled matter. SandyGeorgia (Talk) 04:33, 22 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Who is we? Someone at vital articles needs to go back in the page history to figure out which one it was. For bot purposes, the code might check that it is not tagging a dab page. SandyGeorgia (Talk) 14:42, 23 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Hi, just saw some of cewbot's edits on Datsun Sports. While the outdated pipelink was indeed fixed, it would be more useful if your bot could use the anchors in the article to which the broken pipelink was pointing. Just a thought, no clue how this would be made to work. Best, Mr.choppers | ✎ 03:59, 29 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Please note the following change to ((ill)): in addition to the standard name of parameter |vertical-align=, you many now use one of the shorter aliases |valign= or |v= if you wish. This is a backwards-compatible change, and no change to cewbot is required. Thanks, Mathglot (talk) 22:14, 3 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Please watch for permitted circular redirects embedded in an ill
Hi, I just reverted this edit by Cewbot at Clandestine press of the French Resistance to restore an ((ill)) link to a French article (((ill|Arc (newspaper)|fr|Arc (journal)|lt=Arc|v=sup))), and I wanted to explain why, and suggest a change to the way Cewbot handles this case.
I imagine that Cewbot replaced the ((ill)) with the bracketed link ([[Arc (newspaper)]] ⟶ Arc (newspaper)) because it is a blue link. thinking the ((ill)) is not needed anymore, because we have an article now on en-wiki. That is usually the case, but not always. When an ((ill)) contains a blue link on en-wiki that satisfies these conditions, then it should not be replaced:
the link is a redirect
the redirect target links back to the same article
These are the conditions for a permitted circular link. Under these conditions, the bot should not replace the ((ill)) with a wikilink, because it leaves the reader with nowhere to find more information (the whole purpose of a link), since the link only comes back to the article again; whereas with the ((ill)), the reader can go to the article on a foreign wikipedia for more information.
I'm not a bot programmer, but I know that the first two conditions can easily be tested for. The third one is possible, but I'm not sure how easy it is. If it's difficult, I think it would be sufficient to just test for the first two conditions (redirect which comes back to the same article) and in that case, do not change the ((ill)) to a wikilink. If this isn't clear or you have any questions, please let me know. Thanks, Mathglot (talk) 23:49, 17 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks for the two reverts at Clandestine press of the French Resistance. Rather than chase the bot around, it's easier to just slam the door shut with ((bots|deny=Cewbot)) which should stop it (just at that one article). I've now added that, so you don't have to play whack-a-mole anymore. (I've rarely used that feature, so let's hope it works.) Once the bot is fixed, feel free to remove that line, or just ping me here, and I will. Thanks, Mathglot (talk) 00:40, 18 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Problem with task "Normalise template multiple-issues"
Please see the following edit to Cobra Gold: (diff). There were two maintenance templates in the multiple-issues template, but the bot removed the multiple-issues template, claiming only one was inside it. Can you look into this? Regards, DesertPipeline (talk) 10:56, 20 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Maybe it would be better to use the relevant cleanup template categories so that any new ones that are properly categorised are automatically recognised by the bot? DesertPipeline (talk) 11:22, 20 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]
I see you have "maintenance template list to be excluded" on the configuration page; perhaps you could manually exclude templates that shouldn't go in the multiple issues template? I think this would probably be better than manually approving new ones, since non-removal of a multiple issues template where it shouldn't exist is probably not as bad as removal of one where it should exist. However, I do recognise that this is probably rare in the first place as not many new maintenance templates get added. DesertPipeline (talk) 14:26, 20 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]
The list in the configuration is valified before the task started. The other side, I checked yesterday, there are 700 or 800 maintenance templates in Category:Cleanup templates and its subcategories. It is a bit difficult to check one by one. And this program is now running on two or three wikis, it is not easy to do the same job on all wikis... --Kanashimi (talk) 22:45, 20 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Wikitext parser
Hi Kanashimi, i often do semi-automated edits on Commons and other Wikis via the Webinterface of Mediawiki where i manipulate the Wikitext using my personal Commons.js. Till now I am doing this on string-level with seach-and-repalce which is cumbersome and error prone. I was always looking for an approach that allows to do that things with a wikiparser so that i could say for example: parser.getTemplate("Artwork").addParameter("wikidata", "Q27964733"). Since nobody could give me a hint yet i googled and found your two projects wikiapi resp. CeJS. Now my question is, do you know if this code can somehow be used in Webinterface of Mediawiki as part of the users Commons.js? Maybe you already did that? Any advise is appreciated. Thank you in advance, --Arnd (talk) 09:42, 7 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Yes, you are welcome. Surely you can use the library in Webinterface of Mediawiki as part of the users Commons.js. Try this:
Thanks for the reply. I added the code you provided here. However, the result this console log JavaScript parse error (scripts need to be valid ECMAScript 5): Parse error: Unexpected token; token : expected in file 'User:Aschroet/common.js' on line 14. Can you help me out with it or even better, do you have an example where your script is successfully integrated in a common.js? Thank you in advance, --Arnd (talk) 15:23, 11 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Sorry, it seems the JavaScript parser of MediaWiki loader can not read ECMAScript 2016 syntax. I modify the sample and it works now. --Kanashimi (talk) 22:06, 11 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Seems to work better now, thanks. Do you havein your code a simple example which is performing what i mentioned parser.getTemplate("Artwork").addParameter("wikidata", "Q27964733") and than write it back to wikitext? I only found that i need to iterate through the tempaltes manually. And how then writing back to Wikitext works? --Arnd (talk) 12:24, 13 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Hello Kanashimi, it works now as expected. Great. But can you explain me one thing. Why does my browsers does not complain about the violation of the the same origin policy because your script is not hosted on wikimedia site? --Arnd (talk) 06:40, 17 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Problem with the normalise multiple issues task again
Hi,
The bot removed the multiple issues template again in an instance where it should be there: diff. Please can you take a look at it?
While I'm sure this doesn't happen too often, I do have to wonder – how many instances of the multiple issues template are there where only one template is inside of it? I feel like even if that were to happen, someone would probably notice it and sort it out manually after a while anyway. I hope this doesn't sound rude or anything, but do you think the task is necessary? Regards, DesertPipeline (talk) 07:23, 14 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Ah, yes, you're right. Sorry, my mistake; I didn't notice that the template had "section" in it. Also, do you mean that I can just configure the bot myself to disable this? I'd rather let you decide whether or not to do that. It's your bot, after all. DesertPipeline (talk) 08:03, 15 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks for the comment. I don't have any prejudices about this. The templates of Expand languages are listed in the User:Cewbot/log/20150916/configuration, you may edit the page anytime. Since the bot running for a period of time and no other editors tell me the problem, I think it a good idea to discuss more widely before changing the configuration. --Kanashimi (talk) 08:55, 2 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Since the Expand language templates are removed from the configuration, it treat these templates as non-maintenance templates. --Kanashimi (talk) 21:14, 11 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]
I've seen it. What's the outcome? I see no result. So the bot is malfunctioning and it can't be fixed?--Renat08:28, 30 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
I am sorry that the bot can not parse the template. Even I write a hard code in the source, any change of the template will NOT reflect the change. Since the request is denied, what I can do is to preserve as many informations as I can do in the template instance. That is, what you see now. Kanashimi (talk) 08:41, 30 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
The bot don't need to parse the template. It needs to extract a topic name and a subpage name from a link. If the bot knows the link it can extract the names from it. The link is always formatted like that: "Wikipedia:Vital articles/Level/5/Topic name/Subpage name". So instead of "link=Wikipedia:Vital articles/Level/5/Topic name/Subpage name|anchor=bla-bla" make it to use "topic=Topic name|subpage=Subpage name".--Renat09:07, 30 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
You may read the source of Template:Vital article, there are too many exceptions. For example, "/Everyday life/Sports, games and recreation" may point to one of the topics: Sports|Games|Entertainment|Recreation, it is hard to decide it. Kanashimi (talk) 09:11, 30 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
For the bot, it will generate as "topic=Everyday life|subpage=Sports, games and recreation". Obviously, it is a bad idea. Kanashimi (talk) 09:30, 30 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Why? Yes, it will require some changes in the template itself, because it's not working right now, but still it will be better.--Renat10:49, 30 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
If we modify the template and so we can easily determine the topic and subpage via the page title, I will let the bot follow "topic=Topic name|subpage=Subpage name". Kanashimi (talk) 12:45, 30 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Certes, it's correct according to the bot task and the relevant guideline, which is to sort all entries in Thai-people categories by given name (see Thai names under WP:NAMESORT). In this case, though, the person isn't Thai, so I've changed the categorisation. (PS Kanashimi, the ping didn't work. Apparently pings won't trigger if text in existing paragraphs is changed.) --Paul_012 (talk) 17:11, 1 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks for checking. If categories which dominantly contain Thai names should be entirely sorted the Thai way then the task has been specified correctly. Certes (talk) 21:41, 1 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Came in here to say that the bot is sorting non-Thai names within Thai categories (such as Soony Saad). Wouldn't it make more sense for the bot to directly edit the DEFAULTSORT exclusively for Thai people, rather than sorting within specific categories? Nehme149923:54, 1 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]
This bot twice marked the article porism as "vital", but that is insane; there is not a snowball's chance in hell that, out of 20K articles in mathematics, that porism could be, should be or would be "vital" in any way, shape or form. Where is the master list being kept? Who maintains the master list? 67.198.37.16 (talk) 13:39, 6 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]
The template is picking up on links to subsections with anchors and ruining the formatting (example). When I revert it, it just un-reverts it a few minutes later. This didn't happen until a few days ago from what I can tell. User:SubZeroSilver (talk) 09:43, 7 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]
OK I am seeing the intention was to provide helpful information (a similar AfD), but the formatting is so bad that it looks more like a keep !vote. It's not helpful, have you considered refining the way it works? --- Possibly (talk) 00:52, 12 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]
hi. I have given you the link above. It is fairly incomprehensible, and looks more like a keep vote than information given by a bot. I don't understand "Please give a sample"... What is it that you would like me to do, rewrite your bot's message so that it is clearer?--- Possibly (talk) 06:37, 13 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]
I don't really know anything about bots. I just know that the message is formatted in a mildly disruptive way. I'll ask at the bot noticeboard for someone to fix the Engish. Thanks. --- Possibly (talk) 06:52, 13 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Category:All Wikipedia vital articles in an unknown topic
Hi. Please make your bot to clean out this category - Category:All Wikipedia vital articles in an unknown topic. Thank you in advance. --Renat15:51, 30 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Thank you for the reporting. As the previous discussion shown, the bot can not read ((Vital article)), and even we hard-coding the corresponding categories, the bot will failed once the ((Vital article)) or vital article pages adjusted. From the current conditions, we should manually adjust these categories. Kanashimi (talk) 23:12, 30 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]
I already manually adjusted more than 1500 articles, but there are more than 7000 left. Can you write some kind of script to speed up the process? --Renat23:37, 30 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Yeah, the displayed message will be different, but does it matter? The main goal here is to categorise it properly and we do not have separate categories for writers and journalists. --Renat15:14, 31 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]
The bot seems to miss notes added to listed articles that indicate that article is a different level
I reverted the bot edit that changed the vital article level on Talk:Lenin from level 4 to level 3.
The listing for Lenin on the level 4 vital article listing has a note 'level 3'. A similar note appears next to the listing for other prominent pre-World War II political leaders—Stalin, for example. — Neonorange (talk to Phil) (he, him) 09:21, 1 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Thank you for the very quick reply. It is unfortunate that computers insist on executing the code we write, not the code we intended to write B^( At least we no longer need to keypunch cards and wait for a day or two to check the corrections. Thank you for your work to keep Wikipedia operating. — Neonorange (talk to Phil) (he, him) 09:37, 1 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Can I stop this bot from editing something? In the List of Catholic saints article, it keeps removing the link for Amadio degli Amidei to its Italian entry, but the English has no entry for that person but only a group entry, so I think attaching the Italian link is still useful. --Mar vin kaiser (talk) 14:09, 7 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]
I blocked the bot, I am not familiar with the details of the talk, but it was removing valid templates (see this one as an example; I checked that the article is on the list following the link provided by the template).--Ymblanter (talk) 10:26, 13 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]
This appears to be the result of reformatting and splitting of the Vital Articles lists into Vital People, most recently attempted by User:Interstellarity, while the bot configuration page hasn't been updated—is he bot still dependent on the page? I've left a notice on his talk page. --Paul_012 (talk) 10:52, 13 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]
@Ymblanter Thank you for report this. I try to debug the error, but the bot cannot edit. Could you unblock the bot so I can debug the codes? I will report the result. Thank you. Kanashimi (talk) 11:13, 13 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Please also revert the incorrect removals. I've done one, which is where I found this talk page (and thanks for the creation of bots, they work very well when they work very well). Appreciated. Randy Kryn (talk) 11:18, 13 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]
I see that if I go to this version (the one which the bot removed the template from, saying Bregovic is not in the list) and follow the link to Level 5 articles, Bregovic is on the page.--Ymblanter (talk) 13:00, 13 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]
@Ymblanter and Randy Kryn: as far as I can tell, the bot is now slowly working its way through all the articles it removed notices from earlier, and reinstating them. Kanashimi will correct me if I'm wrong, but I assume it hasn't got as far as Bregovic yet, and will get to that and all the others in due course. Cheers — Amakuru (talk) 13:58, 13 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Yes, I am fine with that, my point was that the notice was clearly removed in error, and something needs to be done to continue the task.--Ymblanter (talk) 14:07, 13 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]
The creation and operation of bots has always been way over my head or pay grade (finding a quarter at a conference once). I have nothing but admiration and wonder at those who make them and then let them loose to keep Wikipedia running on a smooth track. Thanks again Kanashimi. Randy Kryn (talk) 16:08, 13 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Thank you for reporting the bug. Yes, it is not a good edit. The bot will select the most similar anchor as target. Since "Counties in the United States" is not in the current revision, so the bot select "Congress of the United States" and not "Counties", for the former is similar to "Counties in the United States" than the latter. This kind of false positive appears occasionally. I will try to improve accuracy. Kanashimi (talk) 23:55, 28 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]
I'm not quite sure where to bring this up, but I'm having problems when Cewbot merges ((context|details=)) into ((multiple issues)). The problem is that the details aren't displayed in the merged version. I've had to take the ((context)) tag back outside a couple of times, and have also left a message on the talk page for that tag. I've temporarily used ((bots)) to protect the tag for now. Musiconeologist (talk) 14:29, 10 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Yes, that's the article. From some discussion on the talk page for ((multiple issues)) it looks as though it's a matter of making a small change to ((context)). It's not exactly a bug—|details= is currently used in the section of text which ((multiple issues)) discards rather than the part that it keeps: ((Ambox))'s |fix= rather than |issue=. So I think I now know what change to suggest. Musiconeologist (talk) 21:08, 10 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Hi Kanashimi. FYI, this edit by Cewbot was erroneous. Those links weren't broken - they link to rows in the "Complete Formula One results" table. Many other Formula One driver articles have similar links. Regards. DH85868993 (talk) 01:48, 16 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Hi. I just noticed this edit where the bot updated a redirect link anchor following vandalism to the target section headers. Shouldn't the bot have changed it back when the vandalism was reverted? --Paul_012 (talk) 07:27, 4 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Yes, the bot should revert the edit after the vandalism being fixed, and it usually do so. Since this is too old and I have not log, I can only guess, maybe I was maintaining the code that time. Kanashimi (talk) 14:30, 4 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Cewbot odd edit
Hi, just spotted this edit which seems rather odd. I dont understand why this alias was added. Could you check that, please? SirkoSCH (talk) 09:24, 9 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Hey, Hope you're doing well, I really appreciate your work to this wiki. I was wondering if hou can run Cew bot (task 5) on Ks.Wiki. It would be really helpful there. Kindly let me know if you are interested. Thankyou. signed, Iflaq(talk)16:14, 26 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]
@Iflaq Hi. It seems an interesting challenge. However, I cannot speak Kashmiri language at all, so I need translator(s) and co-debugger(s) to help me porting programs to kswiki. Please let me know if there are volunteer(s) helping me to do this. Kanashimi (talk) 19:09, 26 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]
@Kanashimi happy to here from you. I can help you in translations, but I am not pro at coding. I will contact other users and see if they can help. Thankyou, See you soon. signed, Iflaq(talk)03:02, 27 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]
@Kanashimi Kindly port enwiki task 5 Normalizing Multiple issues as it is really needed. On Ks wiki you can apply for approval at Request for bot approval. We may need more tasks in future. Kindly make a request for bot approval and you will have to make 10 edits to get approved. Let me know if you need any help and thankyou for your efforts. signed, Iflaq(talk)04:48, 27 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]
The bot has been approved for trail run. Once the trail is completed a bot flag would be granted after checking the contributions. signed, Iflaq(talk)08:24, 27 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]
I guess you have mentioned more templates that we have, however i am going to import all mentioned in the configuration page. I will let you know when i am finished. signed, Iflaq(talk)09:42, 27 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]
I have imported more templates that will be used and skipped templates that may have less use on ks. If they will be needed in future we can import them. Is it ready to run now. signed, Iflaq(talk)10:07, 27 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]
This happens some times when an article is moved. Could the steps that Cewbot does be changed so that this doesn't happen? Vpab15 (talk) 09:51, 29 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]
I have modify the bot code, but not sure if there are side effects. And there is no instance to test now, so the changing need to test in the future. However, when the bot updating the list, the moved page is not visible to the bot at this time. The bot marks the VA template should in Talk:Track (rail transport) instead of Talk:Railway track. If we also update the VA list page, the bot will not remove the template. Kanashimi (talk) 10:40, 29 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]
I guess Cewbot is a bot of yours? I came across two talk pages tonight that Cewbot created where there were no accompanying articles, Talk:Academy of Russian Television and Talk:Очевидное — невероятное. I don't know why a bot would create talk pages without articles but they were deleted. It is a curiosity so I thought I'd inquire with you. We definitely do not need more orphaned talk pages so I hope it doesn't create more until these articles have been written. Thanks. LizRead!Talk!05:10, 2 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Hi, Cewbot made an edit to Island Line, Isle of Wight, which broke two section links. This is probably because of the unusual style of the headings. Danski454 (talk) 19:00, 4 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Is Cewbot just randomly tagging articles about Asian people with Template:WPASIA10k? Multiple articles I've created (e.g. Mehli Irani, Dilip Jajodia, Murder of Dora Bloch have just been tagged with this, template and I have no interest or affiliation with this contest. Where is the consensus on when to tag/not tag articles with templates like these? It seems wrong to tag article to a contest that they're unrelated to. And there's no approval for this bot task listed at User:Cewbot#Cewbot task list either, so I have no idea why the bot is making these changes, and if it's even approved to do so. Joseph2302 (talk) 12:17, 12 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Hi, regarding the bot's behavior, it created talk pages for several articles that had already been deleted several months ago. Most of the talk pages listed for November 13 at Wikipedia:Database reports/Orphaned talk pages were created by Cewbot. Perhaps a tweak is required to discourage the bot from creating talk pages of non-existent articles? ✗plicit13:37, 13 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]
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I have noticed a couple of potential problems with this bot task:
I saw that the bot made a a couple of edits similar to this and this. The anchors in this case do work (though I think they are hidden in the ((term)) coding). I had to undo this more than once, and am wondering if the bot needs a more detailed check for anchors / ids.
The bot seems a bit quick off the mark, as due to one poorly formed edit to the same page there are now 20-30 bot edits to undo (e.g. this and this. Given the "VERY DIFFERENT" message in the edit summary, is there a way to hold off on these edits, as it is far quicker to fix the source page than clear up after the bot? There is less than 1/2 hour between the edit that broke the previous anchor and the bot edits. Spike 'em (talk) 10:36, 8 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Though on point 2, I see that the bot has gone through and re-amended the ones I didn't do manually after fixing the page, so I guess you can ignore that one! Spike 'em (talk) 10:44, 8 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Some aspect of Cewbot seems to have stopped working on or after 2021-10-22. See User:Cewbot/log/20150916 and log entries starting at [[User:Cewbot/log/20150916/Archive_3#[2021-10-22_6:42:18_UTC+0]:_38//117038_pages_done]]. (also it is not a great idea to use brackets in section headings). – Jonesey95 (talk) 16:15, 10 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Hi Kanashimi, I noticed that Cewbot created this page that seems to check enwiki FAs for if they have a dewiki page or not. Is this an error? I don't see why it is necessary to have this page on enwiki, and unlike most of the other FAOL subpages this was created by Cewbot very recently. It's also misleading because the info text for FAOL subpages says featured articles for a given "foreign-" (i.e., non-English-)language Wikipedia. Thanks! eviolite(talk)19:18, 14 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Hello, I noticed Cewbot tried to "fix broken anchors" in this edit, however the anchors were not broken in the first place. The links go to the anchors generated in the |id= parameter of ((Football box)), is it possible to stop the bot from making such changes? Thanks, S.A. Julio (talk) 17:50, 27 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Howdy. Cewbot went on a short crusade of incorrectly "fixing" section redirects from "Frontier#American frontier" to "Frontier#Australia" (example). I fixed the dozen or so articles that were impacted, but you may want to follow up with the bot's logic. Thanks. Kuru(talk)11:52, 1 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Thank you for your report. The editing of this case was a bit complicated, and many titles were changed. The "American frontier" was removed, and the closest title added was "Australia", so the robot chose "Australia". Since the robot has to deal with many situations, the algorithm used now is the less problematic one. Perhaps you can also provide your ideas, thank you. Kanashimi (talk) 12:21, 1 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
My idea would be to sternly scold the robot and possibly take away deserts for a week. I scanned the output for the last week, focusing on the "very different" indicators in the summaries. It looks like it got it right every time except for this one, at least with a cursory check. I assume you scan the bot's output occasionally and would have corrected that if I had not? Kuru(talk)17:56, 1 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Thank you for your help in checking. At the beginning of writing this program, I checked hundreds of edits. Then I tried to improve the algorithm every time something went wrong, just like today. But this time the editing is more complicated, so I didn't find a better solution. Kanashimi (talk) 20:47, 1 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Cewbot
Hi Kanashimi. Cewbot usually does great work, however it's performance was sub-optimal in this edit. You can see the correct links in my subsequent edit. Although I appreciate Cewbot identifying the broken links so that I could fix them. Regards. DH85868993 (talk) 14:26, 23 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
I use edit distance to determine which web anchor is the closest. Unfortunately in this case, "Facelift" was the best answer. I will gather more information and see if there is a better way. Thanks for your feedback. Kanashimi (talk) 22:02, 23 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Hi! I would like to inform you about a change I proposed at Template talk:Interlanguage link § Support lang tag which seems to have support: adding |lt-lang= and |lt-rtl= parameters, for proper ((lang)) support for the link's display text. Such a change could also affect Cewbot, as something like ((ill|Regierungsbezirk|de|lt-lang=de|italics=y)) would have to be converted to ((lang|de|[[Regierungsbezirk]])). ―Jochem van Hees (talk) 23:48, 27 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]
For some reason, it seems that the GA list is not being obtained correctly on execution? I cannot reproduce the issue now. Kanashimi (talk) 10:09, 9 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]
On VA4, in the people section, the bot marked Pope John Paul II as a level 3 article. I manually removed it, but the bot reverted my edit. Can you fix this please? Thanks, Interstellarity (talk) 18:30, 20 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Now it looks like the error is no longer happening. I have added a measure so that in the future the same error should be aborted directly before editing, so that we can see if the problem was not getting the correct data. Kanashimi (talk) 19:52, 6 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Hello friend. If you have a minute, you may want to have a look at this diff, where I think Cewbot incorrectly removed |class=GA from a vital article template. Perhaps because the article was just promoted to GA today and Legobot hasn't yet had time to place the good article template on the article page? However, the talk page is still in Category:Wikipedia good articles, so perhaps that category would be a good way to check. Hope that helps. –Novem Linguae (talk) 10:00, 23 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Cewbot added another multiple issues template and left a maintenance template out of new one
Hey! In this edit your bot added another pointless multiple issues template and left a maintenance template out of the new one seemingly for no reason. Do you know why the bot did this? ― Blaze WolfTalkBlaze Wolf#654515:41, 28 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Hi, Cewbot. I noticed you made an edit on the Economy of India under the British Raj article regarding the GOCE tag, and now it states you are copy editing the article. I had already tagged this article for the November copy editing drive. To avoid duplicative efforts, can you please confirm if I can revert your edit to the tag and continue with my copy editing efforts? Jadedhippo (talk) 12:36, 4 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Hello Kanashimi. I'm really impressed at the work Cewbot does updating article assessments on the Vital Article lists. I'm creating a task force page to encourage people to improve articles related to non-Western traditions of art. Would it be possible to configure the bot to automatically update the article assessment icons on that page? Thanks in advance for any help, MartinPoulter (talk) 15:22, 7 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Sorry. This is a custom code for Vital Articles, so it can not be used for general purpose pages. In order to update the icons, we have to rewrite the code. Kanashimi (talk) 03:31, 8 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Demoting articles
What is going on with this edit to the Vital Article assessment of Capacitance? It has gone down from Level 4 to Level 5, yet it is still shown on the Level 4 page as of this version. It is also shown on the Level 5 page as of this version but with "Level 4" in brackets after it. In my opinion, it would be wrong to demote capacitance, it is a fundamental and important concept in electrical science. As an aside, I am also baffled why Ohm's law is indented under capacitance as if it were a sub-topic, which it is not.
I'm noting exactly the same issue (that is, recently demoted articles still showing on L4 page) on a large swathe of electrical science articles. I haven't been through them to assess whether they should have been demoted, but a quick look suggests a least some of them should not. SpinningSpark14:14, 11 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Oh good I"m not the only one who was confused by the bot changing every single article in my watchlist from level 4 to level 5. ― Blaze WolfTalkBlaze Wolf#654516:06, 11 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks for operating Cewbot, you have found many very good ill replacements that would have gone unnoticed for a long time. But the change [28] did not make any sense to me. Or rather 2 of the changes made perfect sense, but the 3rd I didn't understand. I have reverted it [29], but it looks like some sort of bug. BFG (talk) 07:07, 22 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]
There's some creative use of Wikidata items there, not really sure how to unentangle them, but basically. Hjortetakk⊂Smultring⊂Doughnut. Now translating English into Norwegian you would normally translate Doughnut into Smultring, which could also be described as a Norwegian Doughnut, but referring to the American Dougnut, you would describe it as Doughnut. Which makes this a mess of nearly but not exactly translating words. BFG (talk) 11:46, 22 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]
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Thank you for your help. There was a bug with the wiki syntax parser, and now it's fixed. If you still find any problems, please feel free to report them. Kanashimi (talk) 22:56, 22 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Hi, re this edit, why is Cewbot putting ((Vital article)) inside the WikiProject banner shell? It's not a WikiProject banner, is not built around ((WPBannerMeta)), and is not collapsible. The proper place is several positions earlier, per WP:TALKORDER.
In that tag, what are the |link=Wikipedia:Vital articles/Level/5/Physical sciences/Physics and |anchor=Basics (23 articles) parameters for? Neither of them is recognised by the template; indeed, the page Wikipedia:Vital articles/Level/5/Physical sciences/Physics is automatically linked from the template by means of the |level=5, |topic=Science and |subpage=Physics parameters without needing any more. In the linked page, there is no anchor matching "Basics (23 articles)" - there are four subheadings beginning "Basics", but none of them show "23 articles". The article is presently under "Basics (29 articles)", and has been since this bot edit. Since the counts will change every time the page is rebuilt, these subheadings will also change, so they're a pretty poor kind of anchor. --Redrose64 🌹 (talk) 11:29, 12 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Thank you for these suggestions. I put ((Vital article)) inside WikiProject banner from the discussion with user:SandyGeorgia on User_talk:Kanashimi/Archive_1#Vital_articles. Maybe we should discuss the consensus again? Regarding the link and anchor parameters, at first it was because the robot did not have a way to set the topic. Now there's a way. I will remove these two parameters in the near future. Kanashimi (talk) 20:52, 12 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]
There have been many other discussions, although I don't know where to find them now-- enough other discussions that I don't believe it can be stated that there is a consensus for against putting them inside the banner. SandyGeorgia (Talk) 05:14, 13 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]
I checked Template talk:Vital article, which has no discussion on placement; and Template:Vital article/doc has no advice on placement either. Template:WikiProject banner shell/doc doesn't mention ((Vital article)) at all; its talk page does so in one thread from three months ago, and its archives only mention this banner in one thread (and then only in passing). Wikipedia:Talk page guidelines and Wikipedia:Talk page templates have no mention at all, and nor do their talk pages (and archives).
I can't think of anywhere else that discussion may have occurred, and Wikipedia:Talk page layout is the only general page that I know of that governs the lead section of a talk page, so really, that is the advice that should be followed. --Redrose64 🌹 (talk) 09:43, 13 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]
What exactly does the Cewbot mean by inactive anchors and one no longer being available? All the ones I am looking at still work as they are supposed to. Some were deleted in cases of vandalism and other times the flagged revision didnt even have a changed anchor. NoahTalk12:58, 2 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]
I found that this is because there is a bug in the parser, I have corrected it now and it should be back to normal after the code is updated. Kanashimi (talk) 11:34, 3 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Normalize Multiple issues
I think this will be incorrect in most instances. Certainly any template that has an inline version probably was meant to be the inline. I don't know if it would be better for Cewbot to add the inline in stead – and that will be complicated code if you do so – but that might be an improvement. Invasive Spices (talk) 19:10, 2 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Thank you for your feedback. It's really difficult to distinguish this type of maintenance template, because I've been in a similar situation before, but it should be placed at the beginning of the article. In any case, since it was difficult for the robot to tell if it should be placed at the beginning of the article, I have since placed them all at the start of the article. In this case, this kind of maintenance template in the middle of the article does not seem to be a good idea, perhaps it is a wrong use of the templates? I wonder how you think it? Kanashimi (talk) 23:42, 2 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Hello, I'd like to bring it to your attention that whatever Cewbot did in its edit to Cadence completely broke every file on the page. Seems crazy how this happened as it only changed 9 characters. Ironmatic1 (talk) 07:20, 5 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]
I'm not sure. When I viewed the page, none of the files were loading in the current revision but were in the previous versions, so I reverted it. Now looking at the page history, the files are fine on the bot's revision. Strange. Ironmatic1 (talk) 07:08, 7 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]
I have been checking vital article ratings, and have come across a number of situations like this one where Cewbot hides vandalism. This is suboptimal. Cewbot has been running long enough that vital articles are tagged, could it instead load issues into a page somewhere for editors to assess manually? CMD (talk) 12:33, 11 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]
This requires a lot of changes ... Another way is to check the bot's daily edits, or I can only stop the bot from editing the talk page for now. Kanashimi (talk) 22:38, 11 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]
I don't know the benefit ratio of stopping it from editing talk pages completely, given that would block other tasks. Is there a way to pull out a list of edits like the one mentioned, which have the bot adding a template? Perhaps by edit summary? Some modification of the database reports? Then they could be reviewed. CMD (talk) 08:42, 12 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Wording of talk page notification about anchor deletions
I've seen this a few times, most recently at Talk:Isomorphism. The notification contains the line, "The anchor (#Relations over a set) has been deleted by other users before." To me, the phrasing "has been deleted by other users before" makes it sound like something was deleted multiple times or habitually in the past and has recently been deleted again, i.e. it has been deleted before and it's been deleted again now. It took me a while to figure out what was really going on. Probably the word "before" as well as "has been" where what threw me off. Could it be changed to something like, "The anchor (#Relations over as set) is no longer available because it was deleted by a user," with a link to the edit where the deletion occurred? Will Orrick (talk) 15:26, 5 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Incorrect change to interlanguage link in José Luis Picardo
Hi. I have had to revert the second change your bot made to José Luis Picardo yesterday (15 April 2023) because its correction was wrong. It has changed an artist called Manuel Molezún to an athlete called Manuel Suárez. Shouldn't corrections be checked by a human being before going live? Regards Vortexionio (talk) Vortexionio (talk) 10:55, 16 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Someone deleted the leading "False" in the "claims of fraud" heading in the 2020 U.S. presidential election article. Your bot went wild re-anchoring various pages to the new heading. After I reverted the heading back to "False claims of fraud", I reverted the other pages, so I think your bot owes me a beer or a quart of oil or something. Cheers! BBQboffin (talk) 05:32, 19 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Thank you for your help. Next time there is a similar situation, please let me know first, maybe I can squeeze the robot and let it work a little overtime. Kanashimi (talk) 05:36, 19 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]
So it looks like the Vital Article template that goes in the talk page has been redesigned. Unfortunately, it looks like it’s affecting the Cewbot ([33]). Now, it is being merged with the WikiProject banner shell template, so feel free if you just want to wait until they finished merging, but I still just want to give you a head up. Eyeluvbraixen (talk) 02:18, 7 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Well that’s not good. Are you suggesting that we might have to manually check the status of these articles? Because that sounds like a headache. Eyeluvbraixen (talk) 04:06, 7 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
I didn't write the module. That being said, I don't understand your request. Are you asking me to explain to you how the template constructs its output? Or do you only want to know what names the anchors get? The latter should be obvious: "track1", "track2", and so on. I will add a note to that effect to the documentation.
The way I understand it, neither information would be helpful to you. ((Track listing)) is not the only template whose output contains anchors. Different templates will have different ways of producing their output, and add differently named anchors. I could be wrong, but the only way for a bot to handle this is to analyze not the raw wikitext page source, but the wikitext after all templates have been expanded. Paradoctor (talk) 15:18, 13 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Since robots are not yet able to parse lua modules, the behaviour of templates and modules should be clearly marked in their documentation, as in ((Episode table)). In this way, if another editor changes the behaviour of a template or module in the future, the affected robot will have to be taken into account and the robot operator will be notified. Kanashimi (talk) 22:49, 13 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Clearly, there is a misunderstanding here. But, as I hinted at, I'm the wrong person to talk to anyway. As far as I am concerned, my work here is done. Happy editing! Paradoctor (talk) 23:54, 13 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
This requires a more significant structural change in the code, please wait until I have time to modify it. Fortunately, most pages rarely lack so many web anchors. Kanashimi (talk) 09:16, 19 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Perhaps a false positive
I did a quick check and didn't find the anchor reported by the bot. I have already removed the notice and leave the issue in question here for future review.
Hi Kanashimi. Please could you update your bot so it looks at categories like Category:C-Class vital articles rather than Category:All Wikipedia C-Class vital articles? When we started using WPBannerMeta (which was needed to get the template to nest properly) the old naming scheme was not supported. Thank you — Martin (MSGJ · talk) 10:14, 17 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
I’m sorry for the robot malfunction that resulted from renaming the categories. I have fixed the code and it should be updated by tomorrow or the day after. Please kindly remind me what the new name of the categories are if this occurs again in the future. Kanashimi (talk) 11:07, 17 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
The former is for non-articles like redirects, drafts, and disambiguation pages (I don't think any of these should really be "vital" articles, should they?) — Martin (MSGJ · talk) 10:07, 18 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
(edit conflict) NA-class is something that doesn't require an assessment- most of the articles listed at ‹The templateCat is being considered for merging.›Category:NA-Class vital articles are actually redirects (to other articles or sections of articles), which don't require an assessment. Whereas unassessed means they need an assessment, but it hasn't been done yet. FYI, other non-article things that might be NA-class would be categories or dab pages (though these aren't relevant for discussion of vital articles, as they aren't articles). Joseph2302 (talk) 10:08, 18 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
If you want to add ths summary table to other pages, you can use the same format, and you don’t have to put anything inside. Kanashimi (talk) 10:45, 18 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
I’m using `All Wikipedia level-${i} vital articles` for now. If you have any plans, please let me know the corresponding name after renaming, thank you. Kanashimi (talk) 08:41, 18 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Just to let you know that there was no response so I've switched the template to use the categories without "All" in them. Hope this is okay with the bot. Cheers — Martin (MSGJ · talk) 12:30, 24 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Hi, there. First, I just want to say thanks for the Cewbot functionality and task 6 on broken anchors. It's pretty useful! I happened to be going through Category:Pages with broken anchors, and starting from the beginning symbols, I came across a number of pages that had already been resolved, so I removed the talk page messages (see Special:Contributions/2pou for anything noted "already resolved"). Then it occurred to me that the bot might do this already. I see some edits removing the talk page messages (such as this edit), but it isn't clear to me how often this capability is exercised. Does it occur continuously like the broken anchor check on edits, or does the talk page cleanup have to be forced somehow? It seems that there are still some talk page messages to remove. For example:
There's a number that SWinxy performed on March 26, and I'm not sure if they have continued or not, but that link shows a number of additional examples. I thought maybe it might have to do with symbols in the article titles, but Talk:Blackface was fixed in Special:Diff/1146735987, and the Talk page note was there until I removed it just now. Anyway, just wanted to both let you know about this (in case there's anything to fix) and check if I should expect these templates to be rechecked regularly or not. (Might be a good addition to User:Cewbot#Fix broken anchor as well.) Thanks! -2pou (talk) 20:43, 25 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
I had forgotten about this backlog category. I assumed that the bot would notice that I fixed things and remove the notice on the talk pages. I could continue again; 50k can be chipped down... eventually. Cewbot is amazing, ty. SWinxy (talk) 22:30, 25 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Thank you for your input. The robot monitors recent changes. However, many operations are time-consuming, and not every one of them can usually be responded to. What you have checked is probably what was missed. If you need to check a specific page, just let me know and I can take care of it. Kanashimi (talk) 23:25, 25 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Difference between broken anchor and inactive anchor
The bot as a bot should not mix up broken with inactive anchors.
I would understand a broken anchor as one which is used and not available -- and an inactive anchor as one which is available, but not used.
So happened in https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Fibonacci_sequence. --13:21, 19 August 2023 (UTC) Nomen4Omen (talk) 13:21, 19 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Sorry, I don’t quite understand what you mean. Could you describe how you want the robot to handle this unreachable anchor? Thank you. Kanashimi (talk) 23:14, 19 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]
My guess is that Cewbot's edit summary ('Reminder of an inactive anchor') might have led Nomen4Omen to expect a notice about anchors in an article which are not linked to from anywhere else (no 'incoming links' to them), rather than the missing / broken anchors mentioned in the template. BlackcurrantTea (talk) 12:48, 25 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Perhaps change the edit summary to 'Notice of broken or missing anchor'? It's unlikely that editors already know about the problem (because someone would have fixed it), so I'd call it a notice instead of a reminder. Changing 'inactive' to 'broken or missing' would prevent confusion between an unused anchor, with no incoming link(s), and one that had incoming link(s) until someone broke the anchor or removed it. BlackcurrantTea (talk) 09:14, 26 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Wikipedia:Database reports/Pages containing too many maintenance templates
When removing ((ill)) from templates, make sure to check for and retain italic formatting (italic=y). Here's an example of an edit where the bot removed the formatting: diff=1172241915. -- 𠔻 (talk) 17:26, 27 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Wikipedia:Database reports/Pages containing too many maintenance templates
Hi! Sorry to bother you with this again, but it was really useful for those of us working with this report when it was updating every week. any chance we could get it ticking over again? Many thanks and best wishes! Jdcooper (talk) 00:21, 7 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Stop showing the Former Featured Article Candidate icon in the vital article lists
Can you get the bot to stop putting the Former Featured Article Candidate icon first? It’s the only non-grade icon that does this. I got to be honest, I’m not even sure why we’re keeping track of articles that failed to be upgraded to a featured/good article. Eyeluvbraixen (talk) 10:59, 21 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]
I would like to reiterate that my main issue is that the Cewbot keeps putting the FFAC icon first before the actual grade of the article, when it doesn’t do that for the Former Featured Article icon. Eyeluvbraixen (talk) 09:22, 28 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]
I know you’ll still trying to get the Cewbot from putting the FFAC icon first, but we got another problem . The Cewbot is now adding additional C icons to the vital articles list. Now, I’m not sure how, but I think I know what’s causing it. Two days ago @MSGJ made an edit to the template:WP1.0. Now, this is a WikiProject template where you can’t just put a "B" after "class=" and be done with it. You have to add a checklist to the template that shows that you properly assessed the article, otherwise it would give it a C grade. Is there’s a way we can fix this (other than undoing MSGJ’s edit)? Eyeluvbraixen (talk) 09:17, 28 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]
I don't think any of my recent edits changed this behvaiour (although I am ready to be proved wrong). I think ((WP1.0)) always had this B-class checklist attached to it. It can of course be removed if it's not needed. — Martin (MSGJ · talk) 09:22, 28 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Sorry, but the evidence suggests you’re last two edits is responsible for the issue we’re having right now. I know that we have had plenty of before (usually because the people who upgrades an article rating keep forgetting to update our WikiProject template), but this is first time I’ve seen a side-by-side. All the articles that have the unnecessary C icon have the WP1.0 template. Eyeluvbraixen (talk) 10:25, 28 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Okay I can explain what happened. In this edit I changed from using Category:C-Class Version 1.0 vital articles to Category:C-Class vital articles. The reason is that we have two different sets of categories for vital articles so it made sense to consolidate them. If there is B as well, then it's because there is also ((Vital article)) template somewhere else on the page. Ideally there would only be one template populating these categories, which I suggest should be ((Vital article)). If you agree then we could stop ((WP1.0)) from populating the vital categories. — Martin (MSGJ · talk) 18:57, 28 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Well let me ask a simple question: does every vital article have ((Vital article)) on the talk page? What role does ((WP1.0)) serve in tracking vital articles? — Martin (MSGJ · talk) 20:30, 28 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Yes, every article listed in the vital article project has the Vital Article template. I have no idea what role the WP1.0 template serve in tracking vital articles. I do know that most of the level 5 articles don’t have that template. Eyeluvbraixen (talk) 20:57, 28 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]
I suggest that you change from: 'The anchor (%2) is no longer available because it was [[Special:Diff/%1|deleted by a user]] before.'
to 'The anchor (%2) [[Special:Diff/%1|has been deleted]].'
Yes, that would be very helpful. Would you comment at the link above because we need some extra details from you? — Martin (MSGJ · talk) 21:45, 12 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]
False positive when anchor is located in transcluded content
Yes, I think that's a sensible workaround in this particular. That list should probably be switched from transclusion to linking, but that's not a fight I feel up to. Paradoctor (talk) 13:52, 18 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]
I've targeted the redirect back to the full list. Will let you know if should the bot complain again. Thanks for the swift work. Happy editing! Paradoctor (talk) 01:20, 19 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Sorry for the trouble. In the past two days I have been testing the code, so there are two programs running, the new test environment and the old production environment. Also this article was deleted from the list yesterday, which also caused this problem. The problem should be over after this wave of testing. Kanashimi (talk) 00:15, 22 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]
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Cewbot is inadvertantly undoing attempts to fix some category redirects with edits like this. The articles are categorised under "Society" not "Society and social sciences" but Cewbot's edits seem to be forcing the latter into the template system and populating redirects like Category:C-Class vital articles in Society and social sciences. I have previously edited the Vital articles/data pages to fix the problem but Cewbot just undoes it automatically. Timrollpickering (talk) 12:03, 3 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Cewbot seems slightly confused by recent changes to banners that integrated vital articles and provided a single article quality rating. eg. The actions seem correct, but the edit summary is a bit amiss. CMD (talk) 03:15, 5 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
I expect you've heard about this already, but Cewbot's on the list of affected tools / bots run in the last seven days. Here's the information page about it. Hope the change is fairly simple for you both. Good luck. BlackcurrantTea (talk) 13:12, 6 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Looking at that Phabricator ticket, it's lucky you started working on this a month ago. I don't know the right person, but someone at WP:Village pump (technical) will, or they'll know who to ask. Taavi-WMF posted there last week, and he'll get a ping from this if he has notifications turned on. BlackcurrantTea (talk) 23:41, 6 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
The ((VA)) would give links by referring to the topic. The ((WPBS)) now uses json data generated by the bot, which comes from the section titles of the list pages. Most of the talk pages of the articles are now using ((VA)), and will not be standardized until after the bot has performed the merge. After the merge is done, the category name should be the same as the subpage/section title of the list page. Should rename the category name or the subpage/section title of the list page. Kanashimi (talk) 01:20, 9 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Maybe another .json file with all the sections and quotas. If each one had a unique ID we could cross-reference from the lists of articles. — Martin (MSGJ · talk) 22:12, 10 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Would it be possible in the future to move to a system where the list of vital articles is built from the json database? In the meantime, shall we write a template, e.g. ((vital article quota|3|5)) produces "This section contains 3 articles out of a quote of 5" or something like that? — Martin (MSGJ · talk) 22:17, 10 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Hi, I just got asked about how this overlaps with Qwerfjkl (bot) 26. What's the plan here? I thought you were just working on the vital article template merging, and I was handling PIQA? I know it's probably quite petty of me, but I'd rather continue working on PIQA. Happy holidays! — Qwerfjkltalk21:56, 17 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Thank you for noticing. I was only dealing with the merge of ((VA)), but realized that I had to deal with other classes and the like at the same time, so I did the rest of what I needed to do as well. I realize that you've put a lot of effort into this mission as well. So I think I can use it as a backup for Qwerfjkl (bot) 26, we work together on these templates, what do you think? Kanashimi (talk) 23:05, 17 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Would be great if you are both involved. There are a lot of them to do, and you can support each other. I thought it was going to be difficult to find one bot operator to do this, but it's amazing to have two! To avoid conflicts, you might need to agree on who is doing which pages? — Martin (MSGJ · talk) 08:45, 18 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
It is logical that if one robot has processed a page, the other robot should not have to process it anymore. So it's not a question of who handles which pages. I will try to design it in this direction. Kanashimi (talk) 10:04, 18 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
I'll give it a try. I'll merge the parameters of the templates. If the templates have conflicting parameter values, I'll leave it to manual processing. Kanashimi (talk) 21:59, 21 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks. I didn't expect you to add it to task 12. There is already enough going on in that task, and I don't want to hold it up any longer. How about opening a new BRFA for that one? By the way, you have added a duplicate parameter |Malawi-importance in that edit — Martin (MSGJ · talk) 11:44, 22 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
It was added to that task because I only added something to the original code, so it would run along with task 12. The problem with repeating parameters has been fixed [38]. Kanashimi (talk) 12:11, 22 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
I will look at the code to see why it is not inheriting the FA-class. In the meantime it might be safer not to remove any Milhist ratings. — Martin (MSGJ · talk) 15:03, 2 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Yes we can change the code, but I would worry about unintended consequences. As the class can be set by a custom mask without the class parameter being used (which is what I neglected to consider earlier), inheriting the class may result in the class being changed incorrectly. So I think the current code is best. — Martin (MSGJ · talk) 10:28, 3 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
The way the code is currently written, if the article is unassessed by the project then it will get the class from WPBS and push that through the custom mask. In this case the article is not unassessed (as the |A-Class=pass is sufficient to give it A-class rating). So it seems that I what I wrote is incorrect. We could look at rewriting the code so that if class is empty it will always use the PIQA rating, but this might produce other unintended consequences. It might be safer not to touch any of the opt-out projects. Sorry for causing confusion — Martin (MSGJ · talk) 15:49, 2 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
MilHist has opted out of PIQA because it uses its own quality scale, including the B-class checklist. This was further clarified at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Military history/Archive 171#Global assessments. However it will inherit the assessment in certain limited circumstances. Can I suggest you follow up here if you have any queries, and let Kanashimi continue with this important task without further changes to MilHist's assessments? — Martin (MSGJ · talk) 19:08, 2 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
No. This is not acceptable. Military history articles are being stripped of their Featured Article rating. This was never agreed to. The changes must be reverted. Hawkeye7(discuss)19:52, 2 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I will leave the exiting categories untouched for now. Also, since I can't tell which templates I've moved, I'll have to recover them all. I checked the editors and it seems that only a few of them are ((WikiProject Military history)) related, so it might be better to recover them manually. Since I just changed the code yesterday, the issue should only be with the 200 edits or so.... In the future I'll add changed templates to the edit summary, which will help to solve the problem with touching special templates. I apologize for the inconvenience. Kanashimi (talk) 22:50, 2 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
In my opinion bots should not ever be adjusting the whitespace in non-rendering ways. Whitespace should be left however the most recent human editor put it (or if it's egregiously messed up, get a human to fix it, using a semi-automated tool if they really need). –jacobolus(t)08:02, 6 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Thank you for the report. This approach is actually in line with the design concept of the robot, as the robot cannot determine whether the conflicting quality ratings are appropriate or not. In addition, some of the parameters of WPBIO will be moved to WPBS, which is also the original design intention of the robot.
@MSGJ I think we need to write up descriptions for these categories, e.g. which module generates the categories and how they are resolved. Also we may need to write descriptions of this change in WPBS, so that when someone has a question about it, they know what's going on. Kanashimi (talk) 11:34, 5 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Kanashimi Understood. I'll just fix those cases manually as I come across them in that case. For GA and FA status specifically though, perhaps that should override any non-opt-out quality rating, if that's already in the banner shell? Also, should RATER be modified to stop adding listas and living parameters by default to WPBIO going forward? -Kj cheetham (talk) 11:41, 5 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Ratings that are the same as ((WPBS)) will be moved to ((WPBS)). If it is not the same as ((WPBS)), it will be kept. So for those different ratings, it needs to be manually checked for appropriateness, as you are doing.
Yes, this was decided to be the best approach because a robot should not be overriding a human editor's decision, so these should really have human review — Martin (MSGJ · talk) 12:38, 5 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Cewbot's edit summaries
Firstly, thank you for all the work you've done with Cewbot! Extremely minor question/nitpick: the edit summaries Cewbot leaves when maintaining ((WPBS)) currently include Remove the same ratings as ((WPBS)) and keep only the dissimilar ones from [WikiProject X][a]. I was wondering if this should read ...and keep only the ones dissimilar from [WikiProject X] - the current wording first made me think that it was referring to WikiProject X having the dissimilar rating itself, rather than it being the other (non-mentioned) WikiProject templates that had the different ratings. I might be misunderstanding something here though, please let me know if so. Equally, let me know if I've explained anything poorly.
Notes
^where WikiProject X is a WikiProject that has had its rating removed/that has the same rating as the one in ((WPBS))
@A smart kitten My English is not good, thanks for correcting it. What I want to say is that the robot will keep all the ratings that are different from ((WPBS)). Would it be better if I change it to this? "Remove the same ratings as ((WPBS)) and keep different ratings of [WikiProject X]" Kanashimi (talk) 12:08, 5 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
No problem! I think that would be better, yes - if I'm understanding correctly, if the robot keeps a rating in (for example) WikiProject Astronomy because it's different from the rating that's been moved to ((WPBS)), the edit summary would say Remove the same ratings as ((WPBS)) and keep different ratings in[/of] ((WikiProject Astronomy)).
If you don't mind, while I'm here, can I also check if the class=List parameter for ((WikiProject Lists)) should have been removed in Special:Diff/1193730164, given that it's the same as the rating that was merged into ((WPBS))?
In this case it probably could be removed. But in general, we are not touching quality assessments of projects that have opted out of PIQA. — Martin (MSGJ · talk) 12:40, 5 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@MSGJ: Thank you - the idea that WPLists may have opted out of PIQA didn't occur to me! It makes complete sense now why it wasn't merged. Best, —a smart kitten[meow]13:17, 5 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
FYI, I think Cewbot is currently stating the WikiProjects that have their ratings removed, rather than the one(s) that have a different rating kept. E.g. in this edit, the edit summary says it kept the different ratings in ((WikiProject Australia)) & ((WikiProject England)), when those were the templates that didn’t have different ratings — the template with a different rating (that was kept) in that example was ((WikiProject Cricket)). Best, —a smart kitten[meow]11:54, 6 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
....having said that, though, I've also just come across this edit from later on, in which the edit summary is correct - ((WikiProject Belgium)) has a different rating that's kept, which the edit summary reflects. Best, —a smart kitten[meow]13:08, 6 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
As mentioned earlier, I think we may end up having to write in each category the meaning of those categories and which template or module they are generated from. Kanashimi (talk) 06:48, 6 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
If it's not a biography then none of the others (blp/living/blpo) will be there, so just listas I think? — Martin (MSGJ · talk) 06:31, 6 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
RE [39], in my original request I suggested: If assessments of projects differ, then add the majority rating to the banner shell and leave any different assessments on those banners. These will be manually reviewed by human editors. Would this be possible? — Martin (MSGJ · talk) 06:13, 6 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Ah, sorry, I see what you mean. If it's just vital that is different then it should be safe to drop that rating — Martin (MSGJ · talk) 06:30, 6 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Do you mean if two classes are equally used? I suggested: If assessments of projects differ, but there is no majority rating, then add banner shell with empty |class= parameter. These will be tracked and reviewed manually. — Martin (MSGJ · talk) 06:36, 6 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
User:MSGJ: I've thought about it, and if that were the case I'd go with ((VA)). I'll randomly choose one of these if there is no ((VA)). The different ones will be kept. This way we can save a little bit of labor, and no information lose. --Kanashimi (talk) 06:42, 6 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I've always done this one (well, I don't worry about VA) and I re-implemented not removing the class from opted out WikiProjects, are there any other ones pertinent to me that I'm missing? — Qwerfjkltalk22:07, 6 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
(talk page stalker) @Qwerfjkl: If I remember correctly, I noticed an edit from Qwerfjkl (bot) earlier that didn't move listas= to the banner shell from a non-WPBIO template (either that, or it did move listas=, but didn't remove it from the wikiproject template - I can't remember which it was). Best, —a smart kitten[meow]22:24, 6 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
A smart kitten, yes, there was a bug in my code that meant listas wasn't removed. I'm fairly sure I fixed all of the edits though. — Qwerfjkltalk22:29, 6 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
In Special:Diff/1194492698, Cewbot merged living=yes into the banner shell, but left blp=yes as a banner shell parameter. As these two parameters are aliases of each other, blp=yes could have been removed when living=yes was merged in. This is just a 'nicer wikitext' issue, as I don't believe that having these two (essentially) duplicate parameters causes any problems (MSGJ, please tell me if I'm wrong here), but I thought I'd let you know in case you weren't aware. All the best, —a smart kitten[meow]15:02, 10 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Yes, that is correct. But we can always track and fix these later. I don't want to complicate Cewbot's code even more! — Martin (MSGJ · talk) 15:05, 10 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I've just been completely ignoring this issue. :) Not sure what happens if one is yes and the other is no though, but I don't remember actually coming across that situation. -Kj cheetham (talk) 17:38, 10 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I just checked the code and if either of them are "yes" then it will display the BLP notice. I would like eventually to just use one of these parameters — Martin (MSGJ · talk) 17:57, 10 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I can remove one of them. So should we go with BLP? Right now, both will be retained. If there is a conflict between the two, which one should we keep? Kanashimi (talk) 21:45, 10 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Going from my gut feeing, I would (cautiously) say: remove blp, as |living= is what I would imagine editors will be used to working with in the ((WikiProject Biography)) template. If there’s a conflict between the two, I’d say keep them both - we can always (and maybe should) set up a tracking category for such conflicts to be resolved by humans. However, it should be stated that these are just my immediate, off-the-top-of-my-head reactions, so there may well be things I’m missing or haven’t considered. @MSGJ, what do you think? All the best, —a smart kitten[meow]21:57, 10 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
As a member of WikiProject Biography for the last 4ish years, if only going to keep one, I'd personally say go with "living". Primarily given people are used to that, as it's what is more often used in documentation, e.g. Category:Biography articles without living parameter, Template:WikiProject Biography, it's used in WP:RATER, etc, etc. I'd be amazed if the blp parameter is used more than the living one, but I'd still be curious. I'd want to get wider consensus before even considering getting rid of it. I don't believe it's doing any harm by having done at the moment, but agree we could have a tracking category for conflicts, including if the shell parameter conflicts with the project parameter. -Kj cheetham (talk) 22:06, 10 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
"Living" made perfect sense on Template:WPBiography because we knew it was a biography already. It makes less sense on WPBS which is a general template for all articles. People might reasonable ask: a living what? — Martin (MSGJ · talk) 23:01, 10 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I'm sure BLP is very well known amongst Wikipedia editors, less so in the wider world. I can see the appeal of using "blp" in the banner shell, though feels a bit WP:AINTBROKE to me right now. -Kj cheetham (talk) 13:05, 12 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Still occurring it seems, but for a slow trickle of pages. The only two (independent?) patterns I've spotted so far are they occur on pages where the first comment on a page has no section title, and/or it places the template change just before various templates such as ((Reflist-talk)), ((-)), ((tq)), and probably some others. I can't say it's a "If ((Reflist-talk)) is on page, then place above ((Reflist-talk))" rule, only that if it's placed wrong, it's typically found above such a template.
Of the 50 or so other pages I've looked through from bot's most recent contributions all appear to be correct as intended (at top of page with no tracked syntax errors), so seeming to be a low "fail" rate. All that have been placed incorrectly all appear (so far) to be triggering Multiline HTML table in list syntax errors, so those are findable and fixable, but I can't confirm this is always the case.
Most of my edits this evening have been correcting these if you wish to review for any additional patterns. So far this is a manageable flow rate, but I don't know what the fail percentage is, or the quantity of pages you are planning on doing, so I don't know if this is a reasonable "run the bot and manually address the small fail percentage" case or not. Sharing my findings so that it can either be addressed in the code, or if not, known, so that more eyes can correct them in case the rate were to pick up. Zinnober9 (talk) 04:24, 9 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Kanashimi I reverted your most recent change to talk:square root of 2. I already cleaned up the change where it put the banners far down the page. (I didn't notice it was you who made the edit after mine, so my edit summary is not really telling you anything new.) –jacobolus(t)08:08, 10 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
This is an algorithmic error. I am trying to fix it. I may rollback some of the edits, so please excuse me if I have offended you, thanks. Kanashimi (talk) 11:53, 9 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
If the bot is known to make a pattern of errors (and is still making them), I recommend stopping the bot and fixing it rather than making more errors. Several well-meaning editors are trying to clean up the mess, and in some cases making it either worse or making it harder to unwind and redo correctly. I do not see urgency for this task, even though there is consensus to do it. Better to take a break and do it right. DMacks (talk) 00:08, 10 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Yesterday and the day before were good. Today it is starting to ramp up again (I don't know whether you changed anything or whether it is because of what I watch), so less good but still bearable. —David Eppstein (talk) 18:14, 10 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Two days ago I finished ((VA)) in one go. This time, I moved on to a new phase yesterday and started running WP:PIQA. These are mainly the less watched pages. I hope this helps to reduce the burden on you. Kanashimi (talk) 21:52, 12 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Can the bot skip doing this unless some other change is also being made to a talk page? This does not seem like an urgent thing that needs to happen right away.
Folding 3+ wikiproject banners into a unified "banner shell" is a moderately helpful change because it reduces clutter. Sticking 1-2 banners into a shell and moving their assessments around is more or less a "cosmetic" change, not worth the hit on watchlists, and not remotely urgent to do to every talk page site-wide. See WP:COSMETICBOT.
An example I suggested elsewhere might be waiting until one of the archive bots archives some discussions from a talk page, and then get Cewbot to make its banner twiddling changes immediately afterward. Then those edits would be folded together on watchlists and wouldn't cause much extra clutter. But thinking about it, it would probably actually be fine to piggyback those bot changes immediately after any arbitrary user edit, e.g. starting a new talk discussion. –jacobolus(t)23:32, 13 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
The trigger timing of bot execution can be discussed and decided upon. However, I'm sorry that I can't monitor the operation of the archived robots, so the most I can do is to put the tasks into a crontab schedule. Kanashimi (talk) 23:54, 13 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Fixed I tested the patterns of these articles above and have been able to place them in the right place. I will continue the work of the robot. If there are any problems, please feel free to report back, thank you. --Kanashimi (talk) 09:21, 10 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I've tried to roll back these previous errors. I'm sorry that I still missed some of them. If you find any of these types of problems, please help by rolling them back or fixing them, thank you. Kanashimi (talk) 21:49, 12 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Would rerunning your bot on the pages work? For mine at least, it moves WikiProjects to the right position, wherever they are on the page. — Qwerfjkltalk21:53, 12 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Thank you, that's a good idea. However, my current design is to try not to touch the original one, so re-executing it will not fix it. Kanashimi (talk) 21:56, 12 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Bug report on cewbot
See here. I think maybe infinity was at some point VA-level 5 and then was removed? Not sure. Anyway it's VA-level 3. (I know I shouldn't care, because I frankly don't see much point in VA; I think it's largely a place to argue about why what's important to me is more important than what's important to you. But still, I saw a bug and I'm reporting it.) --Trovatore (talk) 21:49, 12 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Also I think it's good that everyone has their own field of focus. Because everyone's ability is limited, we can only focus on a certain part. So it's not a problem that some people think vital articles are important, but you don't think so. People who care about the vital articles will take care of the vital articles, just as you will take care of the articles you focus on. That's how society gets better. Kanashimi (talk) 22:49, 12 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
MSGJ, what I meant was that this was a configuration issue, rather than a code issue. Cewbot was not configured to recognise the template as a wikiproject. — Qwerfjkltalk19:25, 14 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Cewbot keeps recreating Talk:Velocity: Design : Comfort, 3 times how in less than 24 hours and it just gets deleted as an orphaned talk page. I'm not sure why it keeps creating this page and I might have to fully protect it stop your bot. LizRead!Talk!21:30, 14 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Yeah, I had a similar problem when coding my bot. I just check if the page title is a subpage and it doesn't have a corresponding main page (some talk subpages are valid, like Talk:1/10). — Qwerfjkltalk16:34, 16 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
By the way, what pages are you processing @Kanashimi? I don't want to reprocess pages your bot has run on, that will probably lead to a bunch of cosmetic edits because my bot is very agressive about whitespace. — Qwerfjkltalk16:35, 16 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
What does "aggressive about whitespace" mean? These bots should leave existing whitespace alone wherever possible. Whitespace changes by bots clobbering human-chosen whitespace is a huge pointless annoyance. –jacobolus(t)04:25, 17 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Jacobolus, my bot changes whitespace because the alternative is to have inconsistent gaps and some visual breaks. By "changing whitespace", all I mean is that it makes sure there's a newline at the end of the section and that the WPBS is always right next to another template, without a paragraph break between. — Qwerfjkltalk07:49, 17 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Ah, taking unnecessary blank lines out from between banners is not any problem. (These are very rare in my experience.)
The one I find annoying is when some bot makes non-rendering whitespace changes to content that they aren't otherwise modifying in any way, e.g. adds or removes spaces from around = signs or changes the spaces or line breaks between separate template parameters, adds or removes spaces around the == of every heading, or after every bullet in a bullet list, and then later some other bot comes and twiddles the spaces in the opposite way, none of them paying any attention to the preferences of the human editors on a page. Please don't write bots to do those kinds of changes if you can possibly help it. –jacobolus(t)08:36, 17 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Jacobolus, my bot does also do this (i.e. it will remove 1=, not sure it does too much else of what you're describing), but it is a necessary result of using the python mwparserfromhell module. It does follow existing whitespace conventions as much as possible. — Qwerfjkltalk08:39, 17 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Strongly strongly agree with User:EEng. Slow it down or shut it down. I am incapable of finding anything else in my watchlist because 90% of it is Cewbot edits (still true in the hours since your response above). I don't want to hide bot edits altogether because I have been tracking some recent problems with a different bot. —David Eppstein (talk) 05:24, 7 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I paused the execution. The bot is running with minor editing and bot flags set, so there's probably no way to hide it any more. Perhaps you could suggest what speed would be appropriate? Or is there a deadline after which it can be run? Right now ((VA)) is 37K left, and the main ((WPBS)) is probably... more than 4M? Also there will be User:Qwerfjkl's bot working on this job as well as me, so I think we're all going to have this problem. Kanashimi (talk) 05:38, 7 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
The bot only works on the talk pages, perhaps you can filter it to remove the talk pages? Please report back if this works, thanks. Kanashimi (talk) 05:43, 7 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Or, instead of telling 10,000 other editors to do something, you can stop flooding watchlists. Now you've really pissed me off. What the fuck is the urgency of this fiddling with article assessments? You're interfering with editors who do useful work in order to regularize something absolutely nobody cares about. David, can you turn this thing off? EEng15:34, 7 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Yes, I know, and the people are complaining have deliberately overridden that setting. And then they complain about seeing bot edits?! — Martin (MSGJ · talk) 20:22, 7 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Perhaps you failed to read the part of my comment where I pointed out that bot edits have been a problem? Letting bots do their bot thing unobserved has led to bot-created errors in articles that have persisted for years. The bot edits need to be watchlisted. Telling us to just stop watching what your bots are doing is not an acceptable solution. —David Eppstein (talk) 23:29, 7 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I read everything you wrote, but I just don't think your position is reasonable. If you elect to override a feature that prevents watchlist flooding by bots, then I'm sorry but you don't get to complain about watchlist flooding by bots. That would be like me watching ANI and then complaining about the number of ANI edits on my watchlist. Or a more accurate example: I have chosen to watch Category:Articles with conflicting quality ratings and that really is flooding my watchlist. I can't see much else on there because of the activity in that category. But I obviously can't complain about that, because that was my choice and the solution is obvious. If it's too much for my watchlist then I can just choose to stop watching it.
In this particular case, you need to decide: do you want to see bot edits on your watchlist or not? It seems that you may want to see some but not all, but that is not easily definable request. May I suggest that you use a different mechanism to check the bot's actions, for example, occasionally monitoring Special:Contributions/Cewbot or whichever bot you are tracking. Or try the suggestion by Qwerfjkl to hide this specific bot. Or something else, I don't know. But don't try to insist that this bot slows down, because it is doing valuable work endorsed by the Wikipedia community and there is a readily available solution to prevent watchlist flooding.
Please be assured that I am several other editors are watching this bot quite carefully, and I have made several reports of sub-optimal actions on this talk page, all of which have been dealt with efficiently by Kanashimi. — Martin (MSGJ · talk) 15:26, 8 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
People who care about the articles want to keep tabs on the wide variety of problematic edits by an unlimited collection of miscellaneous bots and bot-like human editors who regularly screw things up. Hiding all bot edits but then deliberately peeping at the behavior of one bot at a time doesn't at all satisfy this concern. –jacobolus(t)08:35, 10 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
If you don't want to see bot edits then just turn off that setting in your preferences. That's what it's for after all. — Martin (MSGJ · talk) 19:52, 7 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Excuse me, you two fucking geniuses, those of us who actually care about articles (i.e. not those who invest their time gnoming template whitespace) do want to see bot edits, because bot edits can and do often screw things up. That's why we turn off suppression of bot edits. That does not mean we should have our watchlists flooded by zillions of trivial edits all at once -- as {U|David Eppstein)) explained above: I don't want to hide bot edits altogether because I have been tracking some recent problems with a different bot. If you two did any actual article editing you'd know about subtleties like that.The question again: why do are these edits so urgent that they need to be done all at once, instead over a few days or something? EEng20:54, 7 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Maybe cool it with the personal attacks? you two fucking geniuses... If you two did any actual article editing you'd know about subtleties like that... gee. This was done per consensus as part of the process to roll out universal project-independent article assessments, which applies to every single talk page on this wiki. They are doing it over a few days: this is going to take a while. If it was done a few each day it would take something approaching decades. PARAKANYAA (talk) 21:25, 7 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
EEng, looking at Cewbot's contributions, it seems to do roughly ~12 per minute when the task is running. If it ran non-stop it would finish in around a day or two. To do it in three days it would make one edit every 9 seconds. Obviously it's not being run non-stop, precisely to catch the kind of bugs you're worried about. (This is assuming 30,000 edits, a number I now realise I may have pulled from thin air.) — Qwerfjkltalk21:30, 7 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Since this was mentioned on ANI I've followed the link to dutifully pitch in my 2c of pointless driveby drivel (drivelby?). Why not just ignore the bot edits? EEng, I believe this may be what the zoomers call a "skill issue".
It's nobody's fault, specifically, that ALL WIKIPEDIA PAGES have ALL of their data, content, template invocations and metadata HARDCODED INTO PAGES. This is just a stupid and cursed way for a database to be set up -- it's not even really a database, it's just "several dozen million text files". But the people who find a way to make this system (or, as it were, awful non-system) work are geniuses, and their work is the only reason we don't still have..... well, go look at the source from a page from 2003 sometime, that's what it would look like today. I fact, look at the source of a page from 2001, you'd have us still using CamelCase LinkS because of watchlist spam. jp×g🗯️22:30, 7 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
FWIW the current rate is much more acceptable (maybe 17 edits on my watchlist in the last 24 hours, not enough to make it hard to track those edits or others). —David Eppstein (talk) 19:00, 8 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Sorry I think I have to clarify one point. I had twice as many edits yesterday as I did the day before. I'm guessing that the reason your watchlist didn't get flooded is that I've been working on the ((VA)) merger first, and the earlier I work on it, means that it's the more important and the more people are watching these pages. That includes you, of course. Maybe you'll see less of this bot editing in the future as I work on less-monitored pages? Kanashimi (talk) 22:38, 8 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I dealt with VA first because it is more important to the community. As far as I'm concerned, since bot manipulation is a community consensus, and bots already follow the speed limit, it would be better to use something like WP:HIDEBOT to block their editing, rather than blaming bots for their manipulation. What do you think? Kanashimi (talk) 23:53, 8 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
You keep saying that. How many times do I have to keep replying that telling me to ignore what the bots are doing and pretend it's always ok is unacceptable? —David Eppstein (talk) 00:49, 9 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I wonder if this kind of edit would work better if it did one subject area at a time, to get a particular topic all done within an hour or whatever, and then spaced out the edits about different subjects. Then it would hammer the watchlist of everyone interested in that particular topic all at once, but would be relatively easy to skim past and then not think about again after. Beyond "vital articles", I'd recommend trying to do edits on other talk pages immediately after an archive bot works on the page, piggybacking immediately after the archive bot. If nothing gets archived within a few months, it could start picking away at the long tail, but there's really no urgency about any of those talk pages. –jacobolus(t)08:15, 10 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
If things go well, the merge of ((VA)) is expected to take about a week. As for ((WPBS)), it may take several months. However, as mentioned above, the ((WPBS)) part may not be as frequent, as most of it will be done on less popular pages. Kanashimi (talk) 12:02, 10 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Yes I'm well aware of that. You've suggested it numerous times in this thread. I have a reason for not hiding bots in my watchlist and that is in the offchance a bot either messes up (such as ClueBot NG having a false positive, or someone accidentally screwing up the bot) or has gone rogue somehow (unlikely but you never know). ― Blaze WolfTalkblaze__wolf13:31, 10 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@David Eppstein I noticed that the robot you are watching is mainly editing the main article space. We are editing the talk namespace. Could you try filtering out the talk namespace and see if that improves the situation? Please let me know the results of this measure, thank you. --Kanashimi (talk) 22:30, 10 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Again, you are back to the "please don't pay any attention to the robot behind the curtain" thing, when what I really want to be able to do is spot-check the robots to make sure they are not misbehaving. Talk page misbehavior is still misbehavior. —David Eppstein (talk) 23:39, 10 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
STOP FLOODING WATCHLISTS PLEASE. This is not an urgent task. If it takes you a year to do it, that's better than making watchlists unusable or forcing everyone to surrender to unwatched bot edits. This pattern of slowing down temporarily when asked, passively-aggressively asking for users to stop watching your edits instead of accepting a slowdown, and then ramping back up to the same flooding levels as soon as you think attention has lapsed is unacceptable. I'm about to cross-post to Wikipedia:Bots/Noticeboard because asking here has proven so ineffective. —David Eppstein (talk) 01:08, 15 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I apologize for any inconvenience this may have caused you. I think we need to have a wider discussion to decide how to deal with similar issues. Please leave a comment here, thank you. Kanashimi (talk) 01:18, 15 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I changed it to follow maxlag=5 when I ran one of my tasks, and I haven't gotten it back yet. I'm sorry I may have to wait until the end of work today to get it back. Kanashimi (talk) 02:19, 15 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Since I don't see any way to shutoff the bot other than blocking, I've blocked the bot until you can fix that (I personally would recommend a editable shutoff page like e.g. AnomieBOT). Like I said in the other discussion, I think limit editing speed to 6 epm for vital portion of this task would be good. Galobtter (talk) 02:28, 15 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Now that we have the stable section titles, I don't think trimmed_link is being used anywhere. Should be safe to remove and that will make the jsons a bit smaller? — Martin (MSGJ · talk) 21:46, 20 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
What is supposed to happen with articles that are moved, e.g. Talk:Tanning (leather)? Is there any way to track these and automatically update the list?
What about articles which are converted into a redirect (e.g. after AfD discussion). Should they be automatically removed from the list, or does a human editor need to review and see if the target of the redirect should be added instead? — Martin (MSGJ · talk) 21:50, 20 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
For this kind of case where only the main article is moved, but the talk page is not moved, the robot will not notice the problem because there is no change in the categories. If we want the robot to handle this kind of case, we may have to check the redirection status of 50,000 articles every time we run it. Kanashimi (talk) 01:43, 21 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Could you explain how this edit is within the remit of the WPBS + Vital articles BFRA ? The bot is only supposed to edit the Talk: namespace, not other namespaces right ? Sohom (talk) 04:25, 23 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Kanashimi: Thanks for the pointer :) I've just edited that section to add ((tpr)) above ((talk header)), to match the template docs. (My assumption[/hope] is that the addition will be a relatively uncontroversial change, as (from my perspective) it's just updating WP:TALKORDER to reflect the existence of this template & how it's already used - hence the bold addition to the list.) All the best, —a smart kitten[meow]02:56, 24 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Hi Kanashimi, I just wanted to get your opinion on possibly setting up a 2nd bot for some new tasks at WP:VA. To start, it would just create a tabular report, probably monthly or quarterly, with some metrics for a large sample of pages.
I know Cewbot already does a lot and you could probably add a new task like that really quick. And while nobody "owns" articles or spaces on Wikipedia, if you really enjoy handling the automation for VA all yourself, I'd be fine just putting in a task request for Cewbot.
If you don't mind though, I'm interested in trying to create a bot as a personal project. I have a lot of programming and data-analysis experience, just never specifically for Wikipedia before. Zar2gar1 (talk) 22:07, 24 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Probably a new one, even though I know that's almost never the practical thing to do. Honestly, my main reason is that I'd like to try writing it in Lua, largely just to explore something different.
I know Lua doesn't have any of the bot frameworks that JS and Python do, but I figure if I keep it simple to start, it should be doable. And maybe if I wind up working on it a lot and spinning out a few good libraries, that could be the start of a bot framework.
If I get stumped though, there's a good chance I may come back to your code. BTW, I've checked your Github before and saw your wikiapi repo is BSD-3; do you have a specific license in mind for your wikibot code? Zar2gar1 (talk) 22:50, 24 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Not really, more for code reuse, though like I said, I'll probably be doing it from scratch. I just noticed your wikibot repo didn't have a license listed (like BSD, GPL, etc.)
I don't really worry about people reusing my public source code, but some people are very formal. Just thought I'd check what rules you have for reusing your wikibot code since it came up.
Hello! Sorry to bother you when I can see you are busy! But when you get a chance could you reset the above report? It hasn't updated for a couple of months... Thanks!! Jdcooper (talk) 15:12, 2 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
This is obviously a bug, probably because yesterday I changed the way of parsing bold and italicized text. I've stopped the bot until it's fixed. Kanashimi (talk) 16:23, 2 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
It says that Cewbot removed the multiple issues template from this article because Cewbot thinks that the very long template is the only maintenance template, the other being split, so does this mean that split isn't a maintenance template? It looks better with the multiple issues because both templates are different colors. Lo1vesedi2ting (talk) 17:45, 28 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
The robot follows the list on the configuration page to determine if a template is a maintenance template. If you find the need to add or reduce maintenance templates, you can modify the list of templates below yourself, as long as there is consensus. Kanashimi (talk) 22:02, 28 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
It's fine with me as long as there's a consensus. You can see the previous editors' history, usually people change it with a good reason. Kanashimi (talk) 22:22, 28 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks for the information. I think I have to do better than AWB at least, I've added all the available templates from AWB. Maybe we need to create a list for robots on Wikipedia instead of writing it in the code? Kanashimi (talk) 01:12, 2 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Thank you for your report. I tried editing it with a bot, and now I can make a normal edit. (Although you recovered it before that. If you can, please let me test it with the robot first, so that we have more solid evidence, thank you.) Kanashimi (talk) 23:16, 6 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Thank you for your help in finding these errors. If you find any more, please don't fix them yet, just post them here and I'll try to get the bot to fix them. Kanashimi (talk) 00:29, 7 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Thank you for your report. I was wondering if maybe the code wasn't updated when the robot was restarted earlier? Now it looks like a newer code is being used. Kanashimi (talk) 01:19, 7 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Today I reverted two of Cewbot's edits that converted ((ill)) templates into links to Draft:Tensori no Mikoto in the Template: and main namespace: [48][49]. English Wikipedia tolerates links to draft: only in a few cases, like in ((merge)) templates; but never in article text, infoboxes, or navboxes (see MOS:DRAFTNOLINK). It is especially bad in this case because both Draft:Tensori no Mikoto here and ja:天曽利命 there were created by Immanuelle, who is indefinitely blocked here; and the main reason that user is blocked is because they were creating many bad drafts and moving them to mainspace.
The draft was not linked to the ja: version through Wikidata, but with manual ja: and en: interwiki links directly on the pages. I have removed the one from Draft:Tensori no Mikoto (diff). Is that enough to keep Cewbot from repeating these edits, or was it caused by ja:天曽利命's link to the English draft? I can function in Japanese, but not well enough to argue about English Wikipedia's guidelines and about how edits by a user in good standing there are causing a bot to make incorrect edits on behalf of a blocked editor here. —Cryptic22:46, 9 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
As your bot has finished processing all the vital articles, perhaps the edit summary should be Maintain ((WPBS)) instead of Maintain ((WPBS)) and vital articles? Just a suggestion — Martin (MSGJ · talk) 10:12, 10 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
This is indeed an error. I changed the parser earlier, and although I fixed the error later, I forgot to update the code for the server-side robot. I've re-updated it, thanks for noticing the error. Kanashimi (talk) 23:43, 11 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Hello! I'm currently overhauling WP:APPA and I'm running into the issue that Cewbot regularly removes the importance parameter from the project's talk page banner. I'm not certain how to remove the project from this bot's edit list so I think I'll need some help. Dionysius Millertalk02:54, 12 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Does your bot put project banners inside the banner shell? I think it does sometimes, but here it missed the WIR-172. Not a huge problem but I was wondering if there was a configuration for this — Martin (MSGJ · talk) 15:40, 12 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
It could be something as simple as Cewbot A-M, Qwerjkfl bot N-Z. There are so many pages to do, it makes sense not to hit them twice! — Martin (MSGJ · talk) 13:14, 13 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
In this edit, Cewbot chose Start-class. Was this an arbitrary decision? Qwerjkfl leaves it blank in these cases, for human review. (Also, Qwerfjkl (bot) had already processed this page.) — Martin (MSGJ · talk) 12:56, 13 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
If there are multiple majority ratings, I will randomly select one of them. The different ones will be kept. This way we can save a little labor and not lose information. Kanashimi (talk) 13:10, 13 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Another bot issue about |living=yes and |blp=yes[edit]
Okay, I think I've got this working, hoepfully there won't be any more cosmetic edits (the problem is not filtering out cosmetic edits, but more keeping the non-cosmetic edits). — Qwerfjkltalk11:16, 16 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Thank you for finding this problem. When I changed the program yesterday to avoid introducing blp and living at the same time, I didn't handle this kind of values well. I fixed it now. Kanashimi (talk) 22:54, 15 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
For the love of God slow it down. I don't know what caused a sudden absolutely excessive surge of these bot edits. In the last 48 hours (as long ago as my watchlist goes) 30 articles that I follow have been edited by these bots. This is 10% of my whole watchlist. I thought something was being made to randomize the selection of articles that get edited. However I have spam both from random articles (Qwerfjkl (bot)) and from 12 articles starting with "Ar" (Cewbot). It is really discouraging that I keep having to check that articles that I wrote years ago to make sure nothing is being messed up. Makes me not want to keep bothering about maintaining my watchlisted articles. Having only one of the bots run down on an alphabetic list is as bad as the two doing so. Please randomize the selection and synchronise the bots, or just slow down the edits. Kanashimi, Qwerfjkl. Super Dromaeosaurus (talk) 16:09, 9 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I see, apologies for bothering you once again. Kanashimi, are there any technical issues for Cewbot to run on a random selection like Qwerfjkl (bot) seemingly does? Super Dromaeosaurus (talk) 16:35, 9 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Kanashimi please could you confirm the editing speed? In terms of edits-per-minute (epm), just looking at 13:41, 10 February 2024 as a example, it's clearly over well 50 epm. I thought that was much higher than originally agreed, or have I missed something? -Kj cheetham (talk) 13:46, 10 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I haven't changed the settings, so I'm guessing that maybe the servers are better able to handle bot requests in the last couple days? Kanashimi (talk) 23:37, 10 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
It's obviously above 40 epm. It looks like the bot's operation largely ignores WP:BOTPERF, particularly The urgency of a task should always be considered; tasks that do not need to be completed quickly (for example, renaming categories) can and should be accomplished at a slower rate than those that do (for example, reverting vandalism). and bots doing non-urgent tasks may edit approximately once every ten seconds. Pinging the blocking admin, Galobtter. May you review this case? SuperΨDro19:01, 15 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I checked and found that cewbot is roughly the same speed as Qwerfjkl (bot), but that bot doesn't seem to be bothering you. So maybe speed is not your reason? I'm a bit curious if cewbot is the only bot that's bothering you more? What kind of problem is it, and maybe I can figure out how to fix it. Kanashimi (talk) 22:31, 15 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Checking Qwerfjkl (bot)'s contributions, indeed they seem to be at the same rate, strangely. Both also seem to be over 40 epm by the way. I am bothered by the whole process but came to accept it until I noticed a sudden uptick a few days before I complained by starting this section. Today I had some 14 pages edited by the two of which only 3 were by Qwerfjkl (bot). Yesterday it was 17 with Qwerfjkl (bot) only having done 3. I am not sure what causes this. I would say it's the alphabetic order Cewbot uses. To be fair since we're already at M with Cewbot we might as well keep the editing based on alphabetic order. It's just the speed that I find really intrusive. For over a week now I've had to check edits on 5% of my watchlist each day. It is exhausting because I open Wikipedia and check some 6 edits after starting the day, leave and come some hours later just to find some other 6 edits to check. Also I think comments from me and other edits both at your talk page and at Qwerfjkl's show some editors do not wish to just hide the bots' edits. This is particularly true for Cewbot in my case as I know its edits go beyond this merger thing. I hadn't seen Qwerfjkl (bot) a lot around before.
May I add though that Qwerfjkl has also gotten complaints [52], other editors might have the opposite situation as mine. I think it all comes down to speed. Really, this isn't that urgent. The speed had gotten bearable until over a week ago. SuperΨDro23:26, 15 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Thank you for your detailed investigation. Sorry for the delay. So it looks like we need both cewbot, Qwerfjkl (bot) to slow down together? In your case, what fraction of the current speed would be better? Kanashimi (talk) 23:06, 16 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Regarding [53], [54], [55], [56], [57] & [58] from earlier this month - how come Cewbot replaced the previous PIQA-rating (also made by Cewbot) in those edits? The edits were made seconds apart from each other, and in each case replaced the PIQA-rating with the one not from WikiProject Lists (which belongs to ‹The templateCat is being considered for merging.›Category:WikiProjects using a non-standard quality scale), so I'm wondering if this was a weird one-off event. (Apologies if this relates to a something that's already been fixed and/or something else I've missed.) All the best, —a smart kitten[meow]17:10, 16 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Yes, garbage in, garbage out, and I'm afraid that this corruption will have to be fixed by hand, because after the vandalism, the wikitext of the WikiProject banner shell has been turned into plain text that doesn't function anymore. Kanashimi (talk) 11:43, 24 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Fuuuuuuckkkking hell, there goes my watchlist being flooded again. See here's the thing—I cannot simply ignore talk pages from my watchlist, because then I'll miss actual messages from those which may have occurred before this bot came around. Unless my watchlist filters can be tweaked so as to only show talk pages which have had more than one edit in the space of 24 hours. Mac Dreamstate (talk) 23:34, 1 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
For User:Cewbot/log/20201008/configuration Cewbot seems to just put Template:Broken anchors on the talk page if it cannot fix the anchor link. Is there a specific reason it does it this way instead of just putting a template on the article itself?
It's hard to know where in article it links to since the link can be later removed or edited anyway. Plus, the anchor notification is kinda hard to read because it blends into the rest of regular templates at top of talk (like Wikiproject info).
Right now I kind of want to fix some of these broken anchors but each of them take too much time. The bot does not know when the edits were removed, and so I have to manually open the page, the talk page and sometimes the page history to confirm where said anchor is/if it still exists. One of the cases I didn't even realise that the anchor notif was on a redirect page, so the case was already handled. Of the 4-5 edits I noticed, most of them were actually fixed or removed within a couple days of the edit.
It might be worthwhile to rerun the bot on all pages with Template:Broken anchors already on them, so the template can be removed from all pages where it no longer applies. Probably after any other edits to the overall maintainence logic. Soni (talk) 22:16, 17 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Makes sense. Though if you consider converting them to inline templates, you don't need to check for "If the page has broken anchors". You can just remove all Template:Broken anchors, and then re-run the script for all those articles, adding an inline template to the article itself if needed. You get the added benefit of never needing any maintenance, as long as the template exists on the article text itself, it most likely has not yet been fixed.
Assuming the code can work as described, it'll solve two problems at once, so you probably don't need to write separate code for both Soni (talk) 05:07, 18 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
The robot periodically traverses these pages, using the same mechanism as it did the first time it ran them. Right now the ones in this category appear to be the most recent pages, and will be cleaned up automatically as soon as I've adjusted the bot. Kanashimi (talk) 22:00, 24 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Sometime in the last year, Cewbot began adding peer review pencil icons on the Vital list pages. Is there a reason why it was added? I find that it adds clutter to the page when the status is meant to reflect its current status. (Similarly, I can see the case for showing delisted GAs and former FAs but shouldn't failed GANs also be removed as icons?) czar13:50, 31 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Can you get rid of the FFA, ITN and OTD icons as well? We really only need to keep track of an article current status. SailorGardevoir (talk) 20:50, 1 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I'm sorry, I didn't notice that the configuration was corrupted. I've restored the profile, please unblock the robot, thank you. Kanashimi (talk) 22:24, 2 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
The robot will stop when the current batch has been processed, which is usually two or three hundred pages. I think it's because the batch isn't done yet. Kanashimi (talk) 11:14, 3 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
That was not going to work well. Is there any way for it to stop immediately? Otherwise the bot has to be blocked completely in the event of malfunction. — Martin (MSGJ · talk) 10:34, 4 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
It is more feasible to check a specific page before each batch of edits than to check a specific page before each edit. Or can you suggest a better way to do it? Kanashimi (talk) 11:02, 4 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
If every edit is too often, maybe check every 10th edit?
// main loop {
$i++;
doOneRegularEdit();
if ( $i % 10 === 0 ) {
if ( needToStop() ) {
break;
}
}
}
Also what exactly happened with the talk_page_limit_for_editing setting?
As I pointed out at VPT when it happened, <the report> said that The amount of talk pages to edit exceeds the value of talk_page_limit_for_editing on the configuration page. Do not edit the talk pages at all., but the bot edited 1870 talk pages[61] before it was blocked.
Greetings, Today I'm seeing Cewbot removing "Issues" from articles with two maintenance templates. It should not be doing this. Examples: here and here. Because the Orphan tag "disappears" after two months, does this mean article needs 3 tags to keep Orphan tag visible? Regards, JoeNMLC (talk) 16:07, 20 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks for the answer. It was my error, I changed those two from "Refimprove section" to just "Refimprove" instead. Wondering why "Refimprove" is missing from the bot Maint. list? JoeNMLC (talk) 13:24, 21 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Sometimes there is a reason for the ILL link[edit]
I just reverted this bit of silliness. I don't think a bot is capable of determining the appropriateness of an ILL. Certainly this one thought a footballer was ruling 18th-century Algiers. Elinruby (talk) 22:43, 26 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I was looking at that page. It looks like somebody already fixed "La reveil anarchiste" for you. which I was thinking of hitting as low-hanging fruit. I can fix some of the other entries probably if you want me to, but don't you want them struck from the list when they are fixed? Also, as a frequent user of the ILL template, the fact that an English-language article exists is not always a good reason for changing it IMHO.
But in this particular case, please don't list it there; all the Ottoman-era figures 9f Algiers have multiple names and somebody, possibly me, linked to the wrong one. He actually has an article at fr:Baba Abdi and I will fix the link. I remain concerned about the premise of the bot run however. Sometimes the English article is deliberately not linked to. Elinruby (talk) 07:54, 27 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Feel free to help fix them. This page is updated once per week, and templates that have been fixed should not appear again next week.
Sorry, I was talking about two different things at once. I went down the list doing French as far as the end of "the affair of the cards". More about that article in a minute. But to answer your question 1) if items automagically remove themselves when fixed, that answers that question. I wasn't saying that anything should not be fixed, just that I found something that already was and was still on the list.
Oh actually I did say don't list Regency of Algiers. Yeah, please don't. I have already fixed the link over there. Actually if you can exclude this bot from that page I would appreciate it. The article has a number of naming problems, but at the moment I mostly know what they are.
My third, abstract, concern is that the bot did not pick up on the incongruity of a 20th century football player putting down a rebellion in Algiers in 1725.
Also, you may want to examine what happened with the links in Affair of the cards. The English still over-rides so that unless you change the display text you get an incorrect link followed by [fr] linking to the correct article. Finally, that article shows signs of machine translation by someone that was too trusting of default settings and I am listing it at WP:PNT as all of the links should be checked.
@Elinruby: I don't think the Regency of Algiers modification was the bot's fault. Someone wrote ((Interlanguage link|Ali Abdi|fr)) in this article (I think it was originally here) so this gave the bot the (wrong) information that the Ali Abdi mentioned in the English Regency of Algiers article is the same Ali Abdi which in the French Wikipedia is the footballer fr: Ali Abdi. So logically the bot thinks – because in the English Wikipedia [[Ali Abdi]] is an unwanted link to a disambiguation page – this disambiguation link should be replaced by the footballer en:Ali Abdi (footballer) because this English article corresponds to the French fr: Ali Abdi. --Cyfal (talk) 11:57, 27 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Elinruby The bot will only list the templates that were faulty at the time of execution. Since these templates have already been fixed by you, they should not appear again. Kanashimi (talk) 13:37, 27 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I was never trying to blame the bot. Apparently I was badly asking a question. I have found the answer to it elsewhere. I am still interested in this report but I guess I can subscribe to the page. Elinruby (talk) 21:37, 27 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
If the project is using a non-standard scale, then the class parameter is not redundant, so it should not be populating that category ... — Martin (MSGJ · talk) 09:56, 1 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Mostly it is <!-- B-Class checklist --> which relates to the next parameter. Can the class parameter be removed while leaving the comment in place? — Martin (MSGJ · talk) 16:38, 6 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks. Had updated one part of the module but not finished updating the other part. All sorted now — Martin (MSGJ · talk) 11:18, 9 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Great job reducing the category. Next request. Can you treat "SIA" and "SI" and "SL" as aliases of List? Example. Thanks
NA is not recognised by PIQA so they can be removed. All non-article pages are detected automatically — Martin (MSGJ · talk) 21:40, 12 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
It looks like the bot will handle this page. Next time, if you come across a page that the bot missed, please don't edit it first and let me take a look at it, thank you. Kanashimi (talk) 08:48, 3 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Mystery solved. Both of these pages were deleted at the time of the bot run! Sorry to bother you — Martin (MSGJ · talk) 12:01, 7 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I'm running it once per week now. However, since the configuration page was changed recently and the bot is now running, the pages mentioned above will have to wait until the current run is complete. Kanashimi (talk) 22:10, 10 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]