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I tried adding a few more people to the artists and composers section of the infobox, which was reverted for making it too long. I understand that, but I do think we should discuss who goes there.
Here is the list as it stands now, with my proposed additions in bold and my proposed cuts in strikethrough:
Artists
Eiji Takahashi (1, X, 2, DE, 3) – The art director for XC2, DE, and 3 seems like he should definitely be on here (he was also the lead 3D background modeler for 1 and X but that is less relevant)
Norihiro Takami (1, X) – Art director for 1 and X; should stay
Masatsugu Saito (2, 3) – Lead character designer for 2 and 3, bigger role than Nomura for sure
Tetsuya Nomura (2) – Only designed a few characters in 2, shouldn't supersede Saito
Composers
ACE (1, 2, 3) – With the footnote: "Musical duo comprised of Tomori Kudo and Hiroyo "CHiCO" Yamanaka". Traditionally how they are credited, saves one space on the list.
Manami Kiyota (1, 2, 3)
Tomori Kudo (ACE) (1, 2, 3) – Combine with Yamanaka under ACE, with a footnote displaying their names.
Hiroyo "CHiCO" Yamanaka (ACE) (1, 2, 3) – Combine with Kudo under ACE, with a footnote displaying their names.
Mariam Abounnasr (2, 3) – I understand the idea that we can't list everyone, but if she's not here she would be the only composer not listed, and that's a bit odd. It's only one more name, and if more and more composers work on the series in the future we could reconsider then.
For what it’s worth, I definitely think Masatsugu Saito should be on the list considering he is the main character designer for 2 and 3. Tetsuya Nomura, on the other hand, shouldn’t be included as he only designed a handful of characters from 2. He’s just a guest designer. Unsure about Mariam Abounnasr—I’m leaning towards no, but only because she has a minor role in 2 compared to other composers. Personally, I think we should only list people who are credited for multiple games in the series. But at the same time, we should also include people who’ve been credited for two or more Xenoblade games. That being said, I think we should try to strike the right balance between the two, only to avoid making the list too long. For example, Yoko Shimomura and Hiroyuki Sawano should still remain on the list despite being credited for one game each—the reason being that they are the main composers of their game. My two cents. —MomoQca (talk) 16:38, 8 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]
updated sales numbers
Im not too good at editing myself but could someone update the sales numbers on this page and the xenoblade chronicles 3 page. per nintendo's Q4 report, sales are at 1.81 million 192.223.241.26 (talk) 17:36, 9 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]
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– I feel that, given that Xenoblade Chronicles is not the name in all regions, there's no reason for the series article to be here and not just on Xenoblade. Plus, this would allow for Xenoblade Chronicles to have its disambig removed. If Xenoblade referred to anything else I would of course understand, but there would be no confusion if we just called it Xenoblade (which a lot of people do anyway). - Whadup, it's ya girl, Dusa (talk) 13:51, 11 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]
As an Eastern reader, I'm personally glad to see that the series article titled Xenoblade, and Xenoblade Chronicles N titled Xenoblade N. (LOL) But as all four games titled Xenoblade Chronicles #, Xenoblade Chronicles, title of the overview article, seems both common and more consistency?--Lopullinen10:05, 12 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]
I changed this to a full RM discussion based on my assumption of what the discussion creator was asking for, since that's what this seems to be and people should be notified via the proper channels. If it's incorrect at all, I have no qualms about it being changed. ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 19:18, 12 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]
I didn't mention NATDAB, but it seems to me that the lack of disambiguation in the proposal is part of the problem; looking at the titles "Xenoblade" and "Xenoblade Chronicles", the average reader would have no way of knowing which one covers the game and which the series without visiting the articles. Martin IIIa (talk) 02:07, 18 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]
I mean, if they are confused, the confusion is solved by the first sentence. Honestly, I'd argue that this position would want disambig to be added to both - so, for instance, Xenoblade Chronicles (series) and Xenoblade Chronicles (video game), as this would result in less confusion. Because of inconsistency, I think it's often confusing whether a title is a series or a game. If that's an important factor, it sounds like, for consistency, we should make all series articles the default. - Whadup, it's ya girl, Dusa (talk) 03:42, 18 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose: Per WP:USEENGLISH. Xenoblade Chronicles is the name in English-speaking regions, even though it's called "Xenoblade" in Japan. I don't actually know why they changed the name in English, though I am sure it's explained somewhere, but it is what it is. ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 14:45, 11 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Per the guideline, "the title of an article should generally use the version of the name of the subject that is most common in the English language, as you would find it in reliable sources". The fact that they are both English is not relevant to my case. ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 15:17, 11 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Yeah, that's kind of my point. You're really just invoking COMMONNAME. It wouldn't make sense to invoke USEENGLISH unless the article was currently at "Zenobureido" or something. Sergecross73msg me15:25, 11 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Going off this point, multiple sources in this article use Xenoblade in the title as shorthand (and not just using the Japanese title), and WP:COMMONNAME's reasons to use a more common name do not really apply here. Xenoblade is not a more confusing title, it is a shorter title, it is not less obscure since it's an inherent part of both titles, it is not a less precise title, it has no disambiguation conflict, and it's not a foreign language word that people would be confused by. - Whadup, it's ya girl, Dusa (talk) 15:41, 11 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]
I think that people arguably would be confused, especially if the series article was at "Xenoblade" and the game at "Xenoblade Chronicles", both a possible name for the series and first game. If you choose to open an official RM, both of those articles should be included, as they should logically both be moved to "Xenoblade" and "Xenoblade (video game)". I already gave my opinion though. ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 15:43, 11 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]
In that case I fail to see what the proposal would be fixing. It's swapping one disambiguation for another, and making things more confusing by having 2 different names for the series and first game. ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 20:05, 11 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]
My bad, I was in a rush at the moment assumed this was for the video game. What I had meant to say was the series article would be Xenoblade while the first game's would be Xenoblade (video game). ~ Dissident93(talk)01:11, 12 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]
No one proposed Xenoblade (series), so that's an incredibly strange reason to oppose. My proposal is actually the most strong advocation of NATDAB, because it gives us two articles without disambiguation instead of one. - Whadup, it's ya girl, Dusa (talk) 20:40, 17 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose: - Zxcvbnm's reasoning here makes the most sense to me. Reading over the support votes, I just don't see a compelling reason for a move, nor does their reasoning seem to reflect the way we usually handle titles for articles on video game series; e.g. we don't have The Legend of Zelda at Zelda (series) or Panzer Dragoon at Panzer (series) to reflect the fact that sources commonly refer to it that way for brevity.--Martin IIIa (talk) 00:02, 17 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]