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use city names. It's a split between us, but cities are used in the schedules of NBA.com and ESPN.
use W/L per WP:COLOUR, and then points for–points against. Although ESPN uses winner–loser; NBA.com, CBS, and Yahoo! use for–against.
not omit first names. It'd make things inconvenient or complicated, so I'd rather just not do it. I don't think a few missing characters are worth it.
link all arenas except for the team's if it's already been linked earlier in the month. Players will always be linked because the same player isn't always found at the top of the month like home arenas are.
One last thing (hopefully): If there is a tie for the high points/rebounds/assists category, do we want "n-way tie (x)" or "Player 1, Player 2, ... , Player n (x)"? I'm just about done, so if there are any major problems with the five specifications above, please discuss them soon. —LOLT/C05:08, 12 February 2009 (UTC)
This is what I've been able to produce. If there are no major problems, then I'll start applying this format to all thirty game logs and perhaps previous seasons' game logs later. —LOLT/C04:12, 15 March 2009 (UTC)
Just a note - I see the Boston Celtics season game log (08-09) has been changed to include full names - as per this formatting consensus. The only thing is that it seems a bit cluttered/more messy/congested even with one name, let alone when there are 3, 4, or 5 names listed for a tie in high rebounds for example. For that reason, I'd object to the change/formatting consensus - any great justification? ~ GoldenGoose100 (talk)
Having only the last name is ambiguous for the general reader unless they hover over the link, which is inconvenient. However, if the consensus on this matter changes, I can quickly re-format all the tables that currently display first names. —LOLT/C02:31, 19 March 2009 (UTC)
Good explanation. I guess for example T. Allen and R. Allen for Tony and Ray Allen are not so clear for the general reader. Thanks for that. ~ GoldenGoose100 (talk) 02:33, 19 March 2009 (UTC)
If having only last names is ambiguous to the general reader, then so is having first name-last name. If a person does not follow the Boston Celtics and doesn't automatically know who "Garnett" refers to, they most likely don't know who "Kevin Garnett" is either. Shamedog18 (talk) 20:40, 19 March 2009 (UTC)
Just to expand on my last point, if you're going to make the argument that having last names only is ambiguous then we'd have to list the opponent by city and nickname, as well. How can you assume that the general reader who can't make the connection from "Garnett" to Kevin Garnett can make the connection from "New Jersey" to New Jersey Nets? Shamedog18 (talk) 20:43, 19 March 2009 (UTC)
Not knowing "Kevin Garnett" is not ambiguity, but simply ignorance, which we can't help. The ambiguity becomes a problem if a reader takes "Garnett" as Marlon Garnett, for example. This particular case seems unlikely, but I'm more worried about players with less common last names like Brown, Jackson, Johnson, Jones, Williams, Wright, etc. As for the opponent team names, I can add those in; however, game logs are somewhat technical, so I think we may assume that the reader is familiar with the 30 NBA teams but not the hundreds of NBA players. —LOLT/C21:10, 19 March 2009 (UTC)
Fair enough. I suppose you're right, but the only other thing I'll add to the debate is that these game logs are really only used on teams' season pages. Those pages (as far as I know – it at least applies for this season) all have rosters on their pages. Wouldn't that simply be enough to imply that let's say "Garnett" correlates to the Kevin Garnett listed on the team's season page? Shamedog18 (talk) 21:45, 19 March 2009 (UTC)
It's true that the roster can help, but because the roster changes throughout the season, it's not 100% reliable. For example, if Shaquille O'Neal is traded for Jermaine O'Neal, there's going to be a problem. We can't assume that editors will always refactor the game logs when a transaction occurs. —LOLT/C21:59, 19 March 2009 (UTC) P.S. The Knicks have the only game log in which I haven't found any factual errors so far; keep up the good work! :)
Cite for 1970 realignment?
I've been working on New York Knicks seasons to bring it to FLC, and one thing stands in my way: A reference for the NBA's realignment in 1970, more specifically the Eastern Division becoming the Eastern Conference with the Atlantic and Central divisions. My Internet searches have proved fruitless, and I don't have any books on NBA history that would cover this. With that in mind, I want to know if anybody here has a book that can be used to cite this information, or if there's a reliable website that I missed. I would appreciate any help. Giants2008 (17-14) 20:36, 4 November 2008 (UTC)
The latest NBA Encyclopedia says this on page 174: "The new season [1970-71] brought with it expansion teams in Buffalo, Cleveland, and Portland and a new wrinkle: the advent of four divisions, two in each newly formed conference." The final standings tables in the encyclopedia also show a change from the Eastern and Western Divisions to the conference/division setup. Zagalejo^^^22:44, 5 November 2008 (UTC)
Put this in the category of "Wikipedians think alike": Right before this was posted, I found a season recap from 1970-71 on NBA.com with the same quote. I ended up using that, along with a page from the Knicks' website. Thanks for the effort! Giants2008 (17-14) 23:37, 6 November 2008 (UTC)
Yes, by High School. I got the list from the article referenced at the bottom. "[NOTE: International players were not included, and players who changed high schools (such as Kevin Garnett) were included in the city in which they played most of their high school career."(Unless, you guys want to it by something else like birth place) -- GateKeeperX (talk) 21:16, 8 November 2008 (UTC)
I think it would have to be all-time to be encyclopedic. Otherwise, the list isn't really manageable. There should be a minimum threshold perhaps, as well, maybe 3 players or something. matt91486 (talk) 19:31, 18 November 2008 (UTC)
Proposal to remove "inactive" column from depth charts
As I was updating the Sacramento Kings depth chart, I got to thinking that the "inactive" column really isn't necessary. By adding it, we're combining two different views (depth chart and inactive status) into a single chart. The problem I see is that for Sacramento, Kevin Martin is inactive, but he's listed as the #1 SG. So if we move him to the inactive column, then move everyone else over a slot, then that makes Quincy Douby the "starter", but then he didn't even play in the game. So I think we should remove the inactive column from the depth charts and have them match the data that is on espn.com — X96lee15 (talk) 16:29, 12 November 2008 (UTC)
If Martin is injured, just add an injured sign after his name. If Douby hasn't played, then he is not the backup SG. It's just a matter of sorting things right. If we remove the inactive column and Martin is injured, somebody would think we just forgot him or he doesn't play for the Kings anymore. ● 8~Hype@09:41, 14 November 2008 (UTC)
Playoff qualification on season articles
Since the templates use colors to highlight the team on its own season article, I suggest we use the traditional method of labeling teans that qualified for the playoffs. Like this:
I'd be applying this slowly to the NBA season articles if nobody objects by the weekend. If the objection is that they'll be different from other season articles, don't worry, I'll get through them however long it takes. –HowardtheDuck05:10, 3 December 2008 (UTC)
I dunno, since in the current season templates, the team indicated his highlighted with a color, now if we'd do the colors for the qualification, it'll mess things up.
I created a new article at NBA Store. I would appreciate some help linking to it (its currently orphaned), proofreading for clarity, accessing, and adding relevant categories to it. -- GateKeeper(X)@18:45, 23 November 2008 (UTC)
Good job! I have one question: what do you mean by "replicas of retired players" (in the description of the New York City store)? Statues? Zagalejo^^^23:32, 23 November 2008 (UTC)
By replicas I simply meant jerseys of players who have retired, usually known as throwbacks, ex: [1], but I think it can also mean jerseys that aren't quite the official jerseys worn by the players, ex: [2], for examples -- GateKeeper(X)@12:24, 24 November 2008 (UTC)
Does anyone think it is a good idea to create a portal for the NBA? I think we could create one if the project collaborate on it?—Chris!ct03:34, 27 November 2008 (UTC)
That's a good idea. Maybe we should...but recently, I've only seen around 10-20 users contributing greatly to this WikiProject, though we have 123 members. -.- I also thought about having a callout, to see how many users are still editing Wikipedia. -- SRE.K.Annoyomous.L.24[c]06:54, 27 November 2008 (UTC)
Here. (btw here's a table listing members by last edit. Some of our editors have been gone for a few years, others are vandalism only accounts. Don't read too much into the table since it doesn't say whether the editors have been active on this project.) GateKeeper(X)@08:38, 27 November 2008 (UTC)
Umm wow...thank you very much for the list. I'll guess I'll just send the message to the users who edited in the last year if I have time. Whoever does it before me, Thanks in advance. Again, thanks. -- SRE.K.Annoyomous.L.24[c]08:42, 27 November 2008 (UTC)
Actually, I'll send a message to people who never edited in the last three months. Again, send the message to the users who edited in the last year if I have time. Whoever does it before me, Thanks in advance. -- SRE.K.Annoyomous.L.24[c]08:47, 27 November 2008 (UTC)
I have been thinking these two potential Featured Topics. Both of them will require a lot of work, but I think if the Wikiproject NBA collaborate, it is possible.—Chris!ct22:55, 12 December 2008 (UTC)
I've been keeping the "inactive" status of the players in the Detroit Pistons roster template for the past two seasons. User 8-Hype doesn't like that information being there because the word "inactive" is not in the legend. I'd just add it to the legend for all the templates, but having it there would almost require it to be updated for all the templates.
It's much easier to keep the inactive status on the roster than the depth charts. To update the depth charts, you have to move players around in the template as opposed to just adding an "inactive" note to the roster. Plus, it's not obvious how to move those players around and doing so it's also my contention that it's WP:OR to combine the depth chart with the inactive status, since there are no sources that list the depth chart and the inactiveness.
In my spare time I did a few test templates and this is something similar to how the NBA profile pages should look. Now given this is EXTREMELY broken but that's because it's a test. If we get a lot more experienced users on the project this could actually go somewhere.
Here on my profile is a test profile box for Shaq. The colors are a bit off and the font is unreadable in certain places, but again if we get some serious users on the project we can get somewhere.
I made test templates to go along with it. Here's some links to them.
Hi, I reviewed and promoted this article for GA status a while back. It is now a little out of date, as no mention of his participation in the 2008 Olympics had been added. In addition, although I understand that his birth year is disputed, the date given in the infobox should match the date given in the first sentence of the article. It would be great if someone could help with these changes. Thanks, GaryColemanFan (talk) 21:17, 2 January 2009 (UTC)
I was thinking of re-starting the WikiProject NBA newsletters just for the fun of it. Basketball110 have since been retired, and I would like to take the part of lead editor. If anyone wants to help out, or oppose on this idea, please comment ASAP before I make it on Saturday. Thanks and happy editing. -- SRE.K.Annoyomous.L.24review me07:01, 14 January 2009 (UTC)
For anyone who is actually interested in this, I won't be writing the newsletter until further notice. If someone else wants to write it, go ahead, but just tell us before. Thanks and 恭喜发财! -- [[SRE.K.A.L.|L.A.K.ERS]]03:54, 30 January 2009 (UTC)
I was wondering if someone could explain the logic behind Flags and Nationality information showing up in all sorts of NBA lists of awards. Players don't represent any country in NBA play (as opposed to, say, a list involving Olympics champions, since they DO represent a country in play). For example, All-NBA Team has a dozen footnotes detailing various player nationalities. What purpose do they serve? NBA Most Valuable Player Award and every other award page has Flags. It seems to me that this violates WP:Flag. They are obviously being overused for no reason, and, as I said, players don't even represent their countries in NBA play. JustSomeRandomGuy32 (talk) 19:46, 29 January 2009 (UTC)
Specifically: WP:Flag#Use of flags for sportspeople - Flags should never indicate the player's nationality in a non-sporting sense; flags should only indicate the sportsperson's national squad/team or sporting nationality. They don't have 'sporting nationalities' in the NBA. (I believe flags were all removed from all Major League Baseball related articles for this very same reason.) JustSomeRandomGuy32 (talk) 19:51, 29 January 2009 (UTC)
I'm going to try one more time here to get some opinions. If nobody responds, I'm going to start removing flags and all nationality information for these NBA award lists, as they do not belong at all. JustSomeRandomGuy32 (talk) 05:46, 18 February 2009 (UTC)
I guess I miss this discussion the first time it went on. I don't think removing the flags is a good idea since, in my views, nationalities are relevant info about the players. Even if players don't represent any country in NBA play, nationalities always came up as an issue or a topic when people or the media talk about the NBA. This trend will continue especially when more and more foreign players start playing here in the US.—Chris!ct07:20, 18 February 2009 (UTC)
NBA starters templates
Should there be templates showing the starters of each team? For example Template:NFLStartingQuarterbacks shows each NFL teams' starting quarterbacks and Template:CurrentMLBclosers shows each MLB teams' closers. Should there be templates showing each Point Guard, Shooting Guard, Power Forward, Small Forward, and Center starter for each team? BlueRed05:25, 1 February 2009 (UTC)
That is because it wasn't added onto the template. I can't do that right now, or else all NBA player articles all need to be edited for this format. -- [[SRE.K.A.L.|L.A.K.ERS]]05:34, 5 February 2009 (UTC)
Then why'd you put in on the section, "Problem with infobox"? LOL, o wells. If it's on the infobox, then go ahead and put it on the doc (the last section looks similar to what's you're talking about), though I still don't get why it is part of the infobox, when it is barely needed. -- [[SRE.K.A.L.|L.A.K.ERS]]01:44, 8 February 2009 (UTC)
Why in this section? Because it solves the problem described above. Try clicking the "Info Page" link on the infobox of this recent revision. It's clearly needed if the infobox contains a link to the NBA profile. —LOLT/C01:51, 8 February 2009 (UTC)
Ok, call me stupid, since I totally forgot what (({))} does. If you do add (({profile))}, then wouldn't all nba player articles need to be edited. Wait...I said the same thing on the top of this section..."...code on the infobox (ie. | nba_profile = richard_hamilton)" -- [[SRE.K.A.L.|L.A.K.ERS]]01:58, 8 February 2009 (UTC)
And I said "(({profile))} ... is a parameter that already exists in ((Infobox NBA Player))" (emphasis added). Before that, "optional parameter" was said twice in this section—put the two quotes together, and ... ;) —LOLT/C02:07, 8 February 2009 (UTC)
Now, I feel like erasing this whole thing, since there was no point in me commenting on this thread. -.- O, and go ahead and do w/e you want to do. :) -- [[SRE.K.A.L.|L.A.K.ERS]]02:10, 8 February 2009 (UTC)
Mike Maloy
Hello there Basketballers! I have just created an article on the recently deceased Mike Maloy, who was drafted (but never played) by the Boston Celtis, and then played as a pro in the ABA and in Europe. However, I am not a basketball fan (sorry!) and so my knowledge is at a minimum, and any help improving the article (including more categories and a proper, basketball-specific infobox which can list his pro stats) would be greatly appreciated. Many thanks, GiantSnowman17:11, 5 February 2009 (UTC)
Game log monthly W–L
I just discovered that a Sixers fan added monthly win–loss numbers here. Should this be done to all game logs, or be removed? —LOLT/C20:17, 10 February 2009 (UTC)
I'm the one that added that to the Sixers page, I kind of converted it over from the Pittsburgh Penguins Game log as they use the same system. I would like to say, I just thought it gives a better reference to the streaks that the team has. If you look at the 76ers page, you can now see quickly from the win-loss numbers that the Sixers played below .500 in November and December, but in January, they had a great month and played .750 ball. I also think home and away tally's can be useful for circumstances like the Cleveland Cavaliers where they had a long home unbeaten streak. I personally think it would be nice to be done to all the game logs, but that's just my opinion. If you think it should be removed, I understand. Yunggunn2k3 (talk) 20:39, 10 February 2009 (UTC)
LOL, you can't automatically compute that number, can you? I don't think it should be removed, but I also don't think the template needs to be updated to include it either (although it can). I have a general Wikipedia issue with things that are removed from one type of article because not all the other types of those articles have that thing. — X96lee15 (talk) 20:44, 10 February 2009 (UTC)
I can't compute the monthly W–L simply be editing the templates, but I can have my game log script do the work. The reason I want to have the monthly W–L on either all game logs or none is because the game logs follow such a strict statistical format that any feature that is beneficial for one log will be beneficial for all. —LOLT/C05:04, 12 February 2009 (UTC)
I'm asking because I've just about finished my game log script, which I'll be using to update all our game logs, so...do you have anything to contribute to the topic? —LOLT/C05:04, 12 February 2009 (UTC)
If monthly win-loss numbers could be updated automatically (along with the other data in the game logs), then I don't see the harm. It's a useful statistic.
I agree. It looks like nobody is against monthly W–L, so I'll go ahead and update everything by the end of the All-Star break; I just wanted to make sure that there is no opposition to them before I do any work. Thanks for your input, and I hope you didn't mind me trying to be a little provocative there. ;) —LOLT/C05:47, 12 February 2009 (UTC)
Umm...all the season game logs start like this: "2008.0000000000000000–09 game log" I couldn't find the error from the template or the team season game logs. Could someone just fix this, please? It'll definitely be appreciated. -- [[SRE.K.A.L.|L.A.K.ERS]]05:35, 18 February 2009 (UTC)
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There was a table of "Unsigned Overseas draft picks" for the Houston Rockets, inserted by User:Wiki Greek Basketball, taken out by me, and then inserted again by him (after several reverts). My argument is that the players are not relevant to the team. WGB responded saying that unsigned picks Brad Newley and Lior Eliyahu"are significantly better than several players on the current Rockets roster.," which I find hard to believe. As I also said, any other FA/GA team articles do NOT have this table (especially for the FA Toronto Raptors), if not having this was a comprehensive issue, then it would have been said). In any case, could I have the opinion of some other people (since WGB said taking it out was the opinion of only one person). Noble Story (talk • contributions) 09:42, 1 March 2009 (UTC)
IMO, it's useful information to have, although the table could be reworked to make it less "bold". It also could be generalized to include all players a team has the rights to, whether they be playing overseas or retired in the NBA. I don't think the argument, "GA/FA articles don't have it, so it's not good" is valid either. It's good info to have—I imagine if that data was in the FA/GA reviews, it would not have been removed. – X96lee15 (talk) 15:26, 1 March 2009 (UTC)
I don't really have a problem with the table. It actually is somewhat interesting and useful (though I agree with X96lee15 that we should expand the scope a bit). Zagalejo^^^20:08, 1 March 2009 (UTC)
I 100% agree with you on the depth charts. There was quite a bit of discussion on that in the past. I will see if I can dig it up. — X96lee15 (talk) 02:22, 5 March 2009 (UTC)
Indeed, I find it here. I also find an MFD for these kinds of templates for last season here. Which makes me wonder why these templates are being again created for this year, despite the above MFD. Noble Story (talk • contributions) 07:48, 5 March 2009 (UTC)
Just a reminder that you aren't giving any links to the article alerts from your mainpage. It's a good idea to either give a link, or to display them, otherwise not many people see them, losing all (or nearly all) benefits of having the alerts in the first place. If you either remove the display=none parameter, or give a link to Wikipedia:WikiProject National Basketball Association/Article alerts, many of your members would appreciate it I'm sure. You can also transclude the alert page whereever you feel like (user pages, etc...).Headbomb {ταλκκοντριβς – WP Physics} 09:06, 4 March 2009 (UTC)
I believe now is a good time for us to discuss the possibility of writing a "Manual of Style" for the WikiProject. The purpose of this is to standardize every aspects of the WikiProject. This can include but not limited to templates placement, placement with infoboxes, layouts of GAs, FLs and FAs, standardizing head coach lists, etc. Any thoughts?
If everyone at the end decided that we should have a "Manual of Style", then I will get to work to write one. After I create a rough guideline, then we can talk about each point individually and see what people think.—Chris!ct01:26, 7 March 2009 (UTC)
Take a look at this photo stream. There are 6,672 photos, lots of them NBA pictures, all taken by a professional sports photographer (all of them his), and they're all licensed as CC-BY-SA. So if you have any need of a good NBA picture, I would advise you look through this treasure trove of images. Noble Story (talk • contributions) 23:26, 11 March 2009 (UTC)
The CC license doesn't require it, no. But in the interests of being courteous, you could probably simply notify him of the fact. In fact, that would be a good idea for any future uploaders to just drop him a note. Noble Story (talk • contributions) 01:45, 12 March 2009 (UTC)
Yup I've come across Mr Allison's photos before but he's expanded his collection I see. Just to avoid duplicity, I've already uploaded improved pics (from the stream) of Tim Duncan, Tony Parker, Dwight Howard, Lebron James, Gilbert Arenas and Caron Butler. Chensiyuan (talk) 03:23, 12 March 2009 (UTC)
I think it is useful to keep track of what images everyone uploaded, so editors don't upload a redundant image. And Chensiyuan never said anything about edit count, so how does he suffer from editcountitis? —Chris!ct06:01, 13 March 2009 (UTC)
I reverted the changes you made because I think it is not an improvement. The template is configured this way because it is helpful to readers.—Chris!ct19:28, 13 March 2009 (UTC)
Yes, it takes up half of the page on the right, but there are text on the left as well. So they balance each other out and that is not a problem. Also, there is no policy requiring the navbox to close.—Chris!ct20:08, 13 March 2009 (UTC)
How about putting on the close function on the current template, since readers might not want to always see the template there. -- [[SRE.K.A.L.|L.A.K.ERS]]21:55, 13 March 2009 (UTC)
Magic Johnson is at FAC for the third time, and it needs all the help it can get. If you can, please review the article or assist the nominator in addressing the concerns. Getting this to FA would be a huge milestone. Dabomb87 (talk) 23:51, 20 March 2009 (UTC)
No, I'll be fine. I just want to absolutely make sure that I have consensus. I contacted users who have improved season lists to featured list status (in addition to Chris, who has already agreed); if they don't have problems, I will go right ahead. Dabomb87 (talk) 02:00, 27 March 2009 (UTC)
Not a big deal to me, but why is this only being done to basketball lists? If we agree that "List of" should be added, why shouldn't that apply to all sports season lists? Giants2008 (17-14) 04:15, 27 March 2009 (UTC)
Personally, I don't go a lot for "list of" titles, since you can pretty much see that immediately. But if it's in the MOS, then I will accept it blindly (ahem). It's fine to go ahead by me Noble Story (talk • contributions) 05:23, 27 March 2009 (UTC)
To Giants: I'm starting with WP:NBA because I am a member of this project, since the consensus is positive here I will move on to the other WikiProjects later. Dabomb87 (talk) 21:22, 27 March 2009 (UTC)
Why are you pushing your bias on the NBA Project page? We need to give everyone a change at seeing the Article. YOU actually had it resolved the day I started arguing against you.JoeJohnson2 (talk) 19:52, 27 March 2009 (UTC)
Stop accusing me for pushing bias. My position followed Wikipedia policy and everyone who participated in that discussion agree with me on that point. Your argument is based on your opinion and is not supported by any policies. Stop acting childish and accept the consensus. This is resolved no matter what you say.—Chris!ct20:06, 27 March 2009 (UTC)
Look, I don't have all day to debate with you about this. If you really like to mark this as unsolved, be my guest. The only important thing is that everyone who participated in that discussion know that this is over. I am not going to comment here anymore, so do whatever you want.—Chris!ct20:42, 27 March 2009 (UTC)
What an absurd statement! How is what over? You are not an admin here, users are free to comment and edit on anything. Nothing is over, an article can always be improved upon. I find it hilarious that you still are keeping up this act, you don't own wikipedia. JoeJohnson2 (talk) 20:53, 27 March 2009 (UTC)
FL audit
WP:FLC director Scorpion did an "audit" of current FLs, here. Of particular interest might be the basketball section:
Type B
Walter A. Brown Trophy - The table is an exact recreation of List of NBA champions. I think it could easily be merged there and the history can be split into sections for both trophies.
Type D
Why can't these pages be expanded to contain the entire draft history of that team?
Type A are FLs that might not be needed. Type D are FLs that could be merged with another page. Any thoughts?
And on a similar note, I was looking at List of Houston Rockets head coaches, and then at the Houston Rockets, and I was just thinking that the head coaching article was entirely unnecessary (yes, I know I created it myself). However, I look at the main article, and the entire list is already contained there, and it's just fine. The lead isn't there, but there isn't really any need, since the table is pretty much self-explanatory anyway. With some 20 FLs already promoted in this category, it might be too late to do anything, but those are my thoughts. Does anyone have the same kind of feeling?
Noble Story (talk • contributions) 06:44, 27 March 2009 (UTC)
Actually, for head coaches list, it is already merged, as you can see in the main Rockets article. And the article length is pretty much fine, as far as I can see. Noble Story (talk • contributions) 14:31, 27 March 2009 (UTC)
Yes, almost all head coach lists are created due to consistency, and a bunch of editor including me are planned to bring head coach topic to FT status. So, I think we should leave them alone. Walter A. Brown Trophy can be merged, I guess, but I don't know if that would affect the existing NBA award FT.—Chris!ct18:34, 27 March 2009 (UTC)