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September 30[edit]

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(Closed) Macedonia referendum

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Tone 06:17, 2 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Article: Macedonian referendum, 2018 (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ Macedonians approve name change for the country but turnout is below the necessary 50%. (Post)
Alternative blurb: Macedonian name-change referendum fails due to low turnout, despite the approval by the majority of voters who turned out.
News source(s): Aggregator: bing
Credits:

Article needs updating
Nominator's comments: Surprised its not been nominated. Was going to be pretty big regardless of outcome and while it has overwhelmingly passed the threshold is below 50% and not legal binding as a result. I believe we posted flag changes in Myanmar and Burundi (or Malawi, forget which one), so this is probably even more important. Its certainly more in the news.
Also opento other altblurbs that would probs be better. Lihaas (talk) 08:52, 1 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]
The controversy towards the name change beging now.
There shall be some controversy regarding Macedonia's name for as long as I'm alive, I'm sure. ~Maplestrip/Mable (chat) 12:44, 1 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]
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(Posted) 2018 Ryder Cup

Article: 2018 Ryder Cup (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ In golf, Europe wins the Ryder Cup. (Post)
Alternative blurb: ​ In golf, the Ryder Cup concludes with Europe defeating the United States.
Alternative blurb II: ​ In golf, the Ryder Cup concludes with Europe thrashing the United States.[1]
News source(s): BBC Sport
Credits:

Article updated
The nominated event is listed on WP:ITN/R, so each occurrence is presumed to be important enough to post. Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article and update meet WP:ITNCRIT, not the significance.

Nominator's comments: Needs a tournament prose summary. Fuebaey (talk) 15:05, 30 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]

(Closed) California Internet Consumer Protection and Net Neutrality Act of 2018

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Article: California Internet Consumer Protection and Net Neutrality Act of 2018 (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ California has made net neutrality a law with the California Internet Consumer Protection and Net Neutrality Act of 2018 (Post)
News source(s): Gizmodo
Credits:
 McKay (talk) 03:57, 1 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]
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September 29[edit]

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(Posted) 2018 AFL Grand Final

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Article: 2018 AFL Grand Final (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ In Australian rules football, West Coast Eagles defeat Collingwood to win the AFL Grand Final (Norm Smith medallist Luke Shuey pictured). (Post)
News source(s): ABC, The Guardian, SMH
Credits:

The nominated event is listed on WP:ITN/R, so each occurrence is presumed to be important enough to post. Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article and update meet WP:ITNCRIT, not the significance.

Nominator's comments: Dire need of sources. Otherwise has a decent amount of prose. Fuebaey (talk) 15:28, 30 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Such as? HiLo48 (talk) 11:06, 1 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]
It's much better - I think with the last two paragraphs of "Background", and the "Media Coverage" section sourced (or frankly removed - who cares?), this would be ready to go. Black Kite (talk) 11:19, 1 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]
I agree. They're gone! All that bothers me now is the massive list of commentators in the Infobox. Again, who cares? I just had a look at the articles for the past couple of years. That list was there, but unsourced on both occasions. What do you reckon? Delete it? HiLo48 (talk) 22:08, 1 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]

(Closed) RD: Barnabas Sibusiso Dlamini

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Article: Barnabas Sibusiso Dlamini (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Pulse Nigeria
Credits:

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.
Nominator's comments: PM of eSwatini (aka Swaziland) who stepped down earlier this month. May need a bit of expansion, but what's there looks good. EternalNomad (talk) 22:24, 29 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]
I can't see anything in the source cited in the article to support a death date of 28 September? - Dumelow (talk) 20:18, 30 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]
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(Posted) RD: Otis Rush

Article: Otis Rush (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): otisrush.net
Credits:

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: American blues guitarist and singer with distinctive guitar style. Martinevans123 (talk) 20:56, 29 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]

(Withdrawn) Ongoing: Brett Kavanaugh Supreme Court nomination

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Article: Brett Kavanaugh Supreme Court nomination (talk · history · tag)
Ongoing item nomination (Post)
Credits:
Nominator's comments: There have been some previous nominations of this article for blurbs, but all were rejected because the story moves slowly. However, in the last nom, there was some indication of support for an ongoing post. Danski454 (talk) 07:56, 29 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]
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September 28[edit]

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(Stale) RD: Bob Jane

Article: Bob Jane (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): [2]
Credits:

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Very well known Australian race car driver and prominent businessman. Even Australians with no interest in motor racing know of him through Bob Jane T-Marts, his national network of tyre dealerships. HiLo48 (talk) 03:54, 29 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]

The only place "tyre" is spelt incorrectly is in the category name at the bottom of the article. HiLo48 (talk) 22:15, 30 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Still pisspoor referencing though, as tiresome as that sounds (geddit?!) The Rambling Man (talk) 22:24, 30 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]
It's the adjective my spellchecker objects to in that comment. Although I do agree. Sadly, although I nominated this, because Jane is definitely known to almost all Australians, I am not the right person to be chasing up the referencing. There is more there now than when I nominated it. HiLo48 (talk) 23:42, 30 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]
It should have a hyphen, even in British English. On the bright side, more non-Australians are now aware of Australian awareness of Jane. If it helps, know that Canadian Tire founders Alfred J. Billes and J. William Billes' articles are in even worse shape and deeper obscurity. InedibleHulk (talk) 16:34, 2 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) Asia Cup

Article: 2018 Asia Cup Final (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ In cricket, India wins their 7th Asia Cup title beating Bangladesh in the final. (Post)
Alternative blurb: ​ In cricket, India successfully defended their Asia Cup title beating Bangladesh in the final.
Alternative blurb II: ​ In cricket, the Asia Cup concludes with India defeating Bangladesh in the final.
News source(s): BBC Sports
Credits:

 Pollock's (talk) 09:41, 29 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]

"does not have international significance or a massive interest to a general audience" seems to me to describe most stories we post at ITN, including all those currently posted, and this particular story seems to have more "international significance" and "interest to a general audience" than the currently posted stories (tho this is not necessarily a sufficient reason for posting).Tlhslobus (talk) 13:57, 29 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]
No, obviously a competition covering most of the Asian sub-continent (pop. 1.75bn) doesn't have international significance (sighs and buries head in hands). Black Kite (talk) 14:08, 29 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]
And the Six Nations Championship and The Rugby Championship are of no interest or international significance either. (Nor the Boat Race, before anyone brings up canoes on a minor tributary of the United Great Kingdom of the Queen's British Isles...) The Rambling Man (talk) 17:02, 29 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]
5 of the 10 World Cup teams took part in the tournament, so this was like a mini World Cup. 1.39.172.3 (talk) 09:20, 30 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]
(And, incidentally, it's also in the news in uninvolved countries like Britain).Tlhslobus (talk) 14:15, 29 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]

(Closed) (Posted) 2018 Sulawesi earthquake

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Article: 2018 Sulawesi earthquake (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ A magnitude 7.5 earthquake hits Sulawesi, Indonesia, killing at least 48 and injuring more than 350 others. (Post)
Alternative blurb: ​ A magnitude 7.5 earthquake hits Sulawesi, Indonesia, creating a tsunami that struck Palu, killing at least 48 and injuring more than 350 others.
Alternative blurb II: ​ A series of earthquakes registering as high as magnitude 7.5 hits Sulawesi, Indonesia and creating a tsunami that struck Palu, killing at least 48 and injuring more than 350 others.
Alternative blurb III: ​ A series of earthquakes with tsunami registering as high as magnitude 7.5 hits Sulawesi, Indonesia, killing at least 48 and injuring more than 350 others.
News source(s): USA Today, BBC
Credits:
 Masem (t) 13:51, 28 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]
There's no rush really. The final figure won't be known with any certainty for weeks. HiLo48 (talk) 08:41, 29 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]
@HiLo48: It wasn't a rush, figures are of course updated, once reliably sourced. Even now, it appears so. But @Angga: the more appropriate place to raise this issue is WP:ERRORS.–Ammarpad (talk)
From ABC News (the Australian one) right now - "The Head of the National Disaster Management Agency (BNPB), Willem Rampangilei, told reporters in Sulawesi late on Saturday that the death toll from Palu had reached 420 people, according to news website Kompas.... Indonesia's Vice President Jusuf Kalla warned it could rise into the thousands." (See http://www.abc.net.au/news/2018-09-29/indonesian-tsunami-death-toll-expected-to-rise-dramatically/10321298). This is simply the reality with such events. HiLo48 (talk) 22:44, 29 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]
And that's also the reality with Wikipedia. It's updated in real time. The example of new toll you're given was already on the template an hour before your post. –Ammarpad (talk) 05:58, 30 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]
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(Closed) Brett Kavanaugh Committee vote and FBI investigation

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Article: Brett Kavanaugh Supreme Court nomination (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: Brett Kavanaugh's nomination to the Supreme Court is advanced to the full senate for confirmation, pending an FBI investigation into recent allegations regarding sexual misconduct. (Post)
Alternative blurb: ​ The Senate Judiciary Committee advanced Brett Kavanaugh's Supreme Court nomination to the full United States Senate, which will not consider it until aften an FBI investigation.
News source(s): CNN, CBS, CNBC
Credits:
Nominator's comments: This nomination was previously nominated and decided against, but since then has greatly developed (passed committee, FBI investigation announced) DannyS712 (talk) 21:29, 28 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]
He won't be found "guilty" per se as the process is not a trial, but a job interview. They would reject his nomination based on findings, if need be. 331dot (talk) 22:25, 28 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]
@Nick-D: In the "please do not" section above, it says "... oppose an item because the event is only relating to a single country, or failing to relate to one. This applies to a high percentage of the content we post and is unproductive." It light of this, would you be willing to share your views on the nomination other than your opposition on the basis of its US focus?
Opposing because the nomination is US-centric is not the same as opposing simply because it relates to a single country. It's because that single country is the United States AND because US-centrism is a part of Wikipedia's systemic bias. There are editors from every country unable to see things about their country with the global perspective necessary for this encyclopaedia, but simply because of the nature of the project, there are more of them from the US than from any other country. In an environment such as ITN, where vote counts do unfortunately matter, it's always worth being aware of this danger and drawing it to the attention of others. HiLo48 (talk) 23:30, 28 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Wikipedia's systemic bias is just an essay; it is NOT a policy or guideline. And many clearly think that ITN is systemically biased against the US (as in, for instance, WP:ITNCABAL, which is of course at least partly a joke, but then it's well-known that 'many a true word is spoken in jest'). Tlhslobus (talk) 03:25, 29 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]
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(Closed) UEFA Euro 2024

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Article: UEFA Euro 2024 (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ The UEFA Executive Committee awards Germany to host the UEFA Euro 2024 cup in football. (Post)
News source(s): BBC, NY Times
Credits:
Nominator's comments: Is an ITNR topic and will likely only pop up in 2024 again, but is hot on the news these days. Horst-schlaemma (talk) 14:16, 28 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]
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September 27[edit]

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(Stale) RD: Marty Balin

Article: Marty Balin (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Yahoo! Music
Credits:

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Founding member of Jefferson Airplane, Rock and Roll Hall of Fame inductee, Grammy Lifetime Achievement Award recipient and notable solo career. CoatCheck (talk) 01:10, 29 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) RD: Kavita Mahajan

Article: Kavita Mahajan (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
Credits:

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Indian author. I have improved the referencing and will look to expand a little if I can find sources - Dumelow (talk) 08:04, 28 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) RD: Michael Payton

Article: Michael Payton (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
Credits:

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: American football player. I have expanded slightly - Dumelow (talk) 07:35, 28 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]

I found a couple more sources and was able to expand the professional career section - Dumelow (talk) 22:00, 28 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) RD: John Cunliffe (author)

Article: John Cunliffe (author) (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): The Guardian
Credits:

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: The creator of Postman Pat. Death was on 20 September but only widely announced in the news today - please move if this is in the wrong place. Ritchie333 (talk) (cont) 19:43, 27 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) RD: Manoharsinhji Pradyumansinhji

Article: Manoharsinhji Pradyumansinhji (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
Credits:

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Indian politician and cricketer. I have expanded a little and improved the referencing, still working on this one - Dumelow (talk) 19:10, 27 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]

(Closed) Kavanaugh nomination

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Article: Brett Kavanaugh Supreme Court nomination (talk · history · tag)
Ongoing item nomination (Post)
Alternative blurb: ​ The nomination of Brett Kavanaugh for the United States Supreme Court continues
News source(s): Daily Telegraph, USA Today, New York Times, The Guardian
Credits:
Nominator's comments: It's all over the news, everywhere, and the article is being continually updated. Ritchie333 (talk) (cont) 16:21, 27 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]
BLP is designed to protect lower-profile individuals from harm. We are not posting anything that you can miss, unless you are on Mars. Ritchie333 (talk) (cont) 16:24, 27 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]
I am not saying that we can't talk about the accusations on the nomationation page, but that is 100% not a reason to post at ITN. It would be different if he were on the bench already and was forced to step down if allegations were made. These judicial nomination processes bring out every skeleton in the closet, this is nothing different. --Masem (t) 16:29, 27 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Understand your sentiment, but my main motivation for this is that BBC News lit up with a rolling feed, with reports of "People are saying where were you when the Kavanaugh hearing took place", and I thought "that's a bit odd". Ritchie333 (talk) (cont) 16:58, 27 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Which is news sensationalism which we strongly avoid across the encyclopedia and especially at ITN. It's basically this generation's Clarence Thomas/Anita Hill situation all over again. A media circus but of little substance. --Masem (t) 17:01, 27 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]
The "Clarence Thomas/Anita Hill situation" was a huge newsworthy event in 1991 that led to 1992 being called by some the "Year of the Woman". If Wikipedia existed in 1991, it should've been posted then. The "substance" is a lifetime appointment to SCOTUS and the fallout of it (Roe v. Wade). – Muboshgu (talk) 17:57, 27 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]
I had made the argument at Kennedy's retirement nomination that simply his departure with Trump controlling who gets nominated would impact past cases, like RvW - that didn't change consensus there. We're in the middle of a sensationalist story (the allegations causing the nomination process to rise to the top of the news), but WP is not a news ticker and we try avoid focusing on recentism. (not to mention how US-centric this story is at the moment). --Masem (t) 18:17, 27 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]
(a) From above: "Please do not oppose an item because the event is only relating to a single country, or failing to relate to one. This applies to a high percentage of the content we post and is unproductive. (b) WP:NOTNEWS is a policy about news stories as articles, that this passes. ITN absolutely is a news ticker, that's the whole purpose of it. That's why we post news stories to the main page, subject to article quality and consensus to post (which I'm sure this won't get). – Muboshgu (talk) 18:23, 27 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]
It has been said many times, ITN is not a news ticker. In that we are not simply repeating what the top stories are in the world. We have very selective control on what gets posted, so it rarely reflects what a news ticker actually points out. Part of that selection is related to NOT#NEWS - we don't jump on every sensationalist story that might be top headlines. --Masem (t) 18:28, 27 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]
The purpose of ITN is to highlight articles of sufficient quality that are in the news, and we fail at that so often because of the personal biases of the people who come here to vote on them. It's a shame. "Sensationalism" is defined (at least by me typing it into Google) as "the use of exciting or shocking stories or language at the expense of accuracy, in order to provoke public interest or excitement." Today's hearing is about searching for truth, so I could not disagree more with that label being used to describe this process. Having someone who may have committed sexual assault on SCOTUS is a huge deal. – Muboshgu (talk) 18:36, 27 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]
I'd clarify that a bit and say that having someone who may have committed sexual assault on SCOTUS and which is documented in multiple, respected, reliable broadsheet news sources is a huge deal. I always thought the "sensationalist" bit meant you don't stick a blurb up based on the front page of The Sun or the National Enquirer. Ritchie333 (talk) (cont) 18:54, 27 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]
No, a burst of news coverage is sensationalism. It may not be tabloid-type sensationalism, but this is still basically elevating the relative importance of a story because there's little else to report on, the result of our 24/7 news media culture. WP doesn't follow that, we're looking for what comes out in the long-term. And since we have no idea if he will be confirmed or the accusations proven out, this is very much CRYSTAL-balling on importance. --Masem (t) 18:58, 27 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]
This "burst of news coverage" exists because much of the rest of the world likes to see what they see as the mess Donald Trump repeatedly seems to get himself into in areas where it's obvious he has no skills. This was the reason we in Australia also learnt this week that UN delegates laughed at him. Should we post that too? HiLo48 (talk) 03:20, 28 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]
  • As it turns out, there is no article entitled 2018 United Nations burst of laughter at Donald Trump, so no, we would not post that. There is an article entitled Brett Kavanaugh Supreme Court nomination, so it's a story with a WP page that is attaining significant coverage. So yes, we should post it. Davey2116 (talk) 03:26, 28 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Done Ritchie333 (talk) (cont) 16:43, 27 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Also Times of India. As a general crude rule of thumb, anything getting headlines in the US, the UK and India (which, unless I'm mistaken - which I probably am - are the three nations that contribute most to the English Wikipedia) is worth considering as "worldwide". Ritchie333 (talk) (cont) 18:57, 27 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Surely "In The News" is anything that a) the news is reporting a lot of b) is in an article being updated a lot and c) the article is in good shape. So if there was blanket coverage of the Macadamia nuts controversy making a comeback, and featured on worldwide news for three days continuously, it would be a suitable nomination. Ritchie333 (talk) (cont) 19:51, 27 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]
@Ritchie333: the news are reporting on the score of sport matches a lot, but we don't post matches before they are finished. wumbolo ^^^ 20:01, 27 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]
In spite of my opposition, if his nomination were not approved, that would arguably be more notable, as this nomination was originally thought to be a shoo-in due to a Republican majority in both the House and Senate.--WaltCip (talk) 22:08, 27 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment I don't see why this line of reasoning is valid. I'm strongly in favor of posting different countries' stories to ITN, but this should not come at the expense of a U.S. story that is clearly getting lots of international coverage. Our primary job here is to bring things that are "in the news" to the front page, and many readers would appreciate a link to this story. Davey2116 (talk) 03:18, 28 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]
  • Reply That's precisely the problem - the story is only getting "lots of international coverage" because it's about a US supreme court nominee. If there was a similar issue with a supreme court nominee in most other countries, there wouldn't be the same international coverage. It's likely (almost certain) that the story would not be supported for an ITN item due to lack of significance. This story shouldn't be considered any more significant simply because of the country involved. Publishing this story in ITN is the type of bias that ITN should be looking to avoid. Chrisclear (talk) 04:13, 28 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Why? When did we last post a judicial appointment or rejection of a candidate for any other country? HiLo48 (talk) 03:13, 28 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]
What was the last judicial nomination to demonstrate this much coverage in the source texts?--Jayron32 03:19, 28 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]
I have no idea. I usually tend to ignore what seems a particularly silly part of the American political and legal processes. I just note the final score, i.e. how the balance of the court is at any given time. That's all that really matters in the end, isn't it? HiLo48 (talk) 03:22, 28 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Not when the nominee is an alleged sex criminal. – Muboshgu (talk) 03:25, 28 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]
I tend to ignore unproven allegations too. Let's get real. Every one of these nominations seems to involve the digging of (or inventing) dirt on candidates nominated by political foes. HiLo48 (talk) 03:28, 28 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]
The news isn't ignoring it. And nobody "dug this up". Women who are assaulted have a lot of reasons not to come forward. – Muboshgu (talk) 03:34, 28 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]
There are many things the news covers that we don't. And while I would probably agree with you about it, making judgements on guilt, and the motivations or otherwise of alleged victims is certainly not our job here. HiLo48 (talk) 03:44, 28 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]
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September 26[edit]

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(Posted) RD: Ignaz Kirchner

Article: Ignaz Kirchner (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Kurier
Credits:

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: 30 years Burgtheater, obituaries in major German-speaking papers, - so I translated the article after he died, sorry that it took me a while. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 09:58, 29 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]

September 25[edit]

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(Posted) RD: Jack McKinney

Article: Jack McKinney (basketball) (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Japan Times, NYT, Philadelphia Inquirer
Credits:

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: American basketball coach. Fuebaey (talk) 23:16, 28 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]

(Stale) RD: Helena Almeida

Article: Helena Almeida (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
Credits:

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Portuguese artist. I have been through and addressed some referencing issues - Dumelow (talk) 11:17, 27 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]

I thought about deleting it out entirely as the full list would likely be too long and not useful, but left it in. I have expanded it slightly - Dumelow (talk) 13:28, 27 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]

(Closed) Bill Cosby sentencing

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Article: Bill Cosby sexual assault cases (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: Bill Cosby is sentenced to 3 to 10 years in prison on counts of aggravated indecent assault. (Post)
News source(s): BBC
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Nominator's comments: The sentence just got announced so the article is not yet up to date with today's news, but no question it is well-sourced. Yes, an appeal is planned, but this still has been a long-term story with a point of conclusion here. Masem (t) 18:20, 25 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Neutral When he was found guilty, I !voted oppose on the grounds that the sentencing is more significant than the verdict, but the response (and consensus) was that most people believed the other way around. The verdict was ultimately posted, and I don't know if ITN would support posting both. Personally, I maintain my belief that the sentence is significant, but I'm ready to be swayed one way or the other. Brendon the Wizard ✉️ 19:35, 25 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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  • Crime in California
    • Police in California arrest Ramon Escobar, 47, on charges of killing and assaulting homeless people, and are investigating whether he may have attacked a fisherman napping beneath a pier, in the cities of Los Angeles and Santa Monica, California. Authorities believe Escobar may be a serial killer, who is now a person of interest in the disappearance of his aunt and uncle in Houston, Texas. (CBS News)
  • Dellen Millard is convicted of murdering his father Wayne Millard, who owned an aviation company. The death had initially been ruled a suicide. Dellen Millard has already been convicted of two other murders in Canadian court. (BBC) (The Globe and Mail)

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September 23[edit]

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(Posted) RD: Jane Fortune

Article: Jane Fortune (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
Credits:

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: American author and expert on Florence. Have done a bit of work to this to improve referencing - Dumelow (talk) 13:40, 25 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]

I normally assume publication lists are self-verifying, but in any case I have now added some refs to the publications. Some of them are just chapters or booklets but their existence is proven at least - Dumelow (talk) 20:02, 25 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]
I don't make that assumption. Anyone could write a list of completely fictional papers, essays etc with no links and no evidence of their existence beyond their name, it directly fails WP:V. The Rambling Man (talk) 11:23, 27 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]

(Closed) RD: Gary Kurtz

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Article: Gary Kurtz (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): https://variety.com/2018/film/news/gary-kurtz-dead-dies-star-wars-1202954316/
Credits:

Article needs updating
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.
Nominator's comments: Producer of American Graffiti, Star Wars/Empire Strikes Back, and Dark Crystal. While article top is updated, there's no prose on his death. Article also need of much better sourcing throughout including awards. Masem (t) 19:58, 24 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]
My own suggestion would be Oppose on quality, but well worth fixing (but far too soon to add it to RD instructions) - but has anybody got any better suggestion(s)?Tlhslobus (talk) 13:24, 28 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]
My suggestion is this: "Oppose on quality". The Rambling Man (talk) 14:51, 28 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]
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(Closed) Sir Michael Atiyah claims to have proven the Riemann hypothesis

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Articles: Riemann hypothesis (talk · history · tag) and Michael Atiyah (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ Sir Michael Atiyah claims to have proven the Riemann hypothesis (Post)
News source(s): Preprint
Credits:

Second article updated, first needs updating
 Count Iblis (talk) 23:26, 23 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]
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(Posted) Maldivian presidential election, 2018

Articles: Maldivian presidential election, 2018 (talk · history · tag) and Ibrahim Mohamed Solih (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: Ibrahim Mohamed Solih is elected president of the Maldives. (Post)
News source(s): BBC
Credits:

One or both nominated events are listed on WP:ITN/R, so each occurrence is presumed to be important enough to post. Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article and update meet WP:ITNCRIT, not the significance.

Nominator's comments: Article about the election is in good shape, but the one about Ibrahim Mohamed Solih still needs work. EternalNomad (talk) 23:04, 23 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) RD: Charles K. Kao

Article: Charles K. Kao (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): South China Morning Post
Credits:

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Nominator's comments: Laureate of the Nobel Prize in Physics, pioneer of fibre optics, an important player in modern communications Leeyc0 (Talk) 10:20, 23 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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(Posted) RD: Mike Labinjo

Article: Mike Labinjo (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
Credits:

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Nominator's comments: Canadian grid iron player. I have fixed up a few of the references. The article isn't perfect but probably good enough - Dumelow (talk) 10:57, 24 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Guangzhou–Shenzhen–Hong Kong Express Rail

Article: Guangzhou–Shenzhen–Hong Kong Express Rail Link Hong Kong section (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ The Hong Kong section of the Guangzhou–Shenzhen–Hong Kong Express Rail Link opens for commercial operation. (Post)
News source(s): (CNN) (New York Times)
Credits:

Article updated

Nominator's comments: Big story for Hong Kong, some political controversy over this and also a huge infrastructure project, an under-reported aspect of ITN. East Asia is also an under-reported aspect of ITN due to systemic bias. Fairly high quality article, very expansive coverage. Encyclopedic. Colipon+(Talk) 13:55, 23 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]

If you could just let me know where the WP:ITN criteria stipulates favoring an "underrepresented region" that'd be great. I'm wondering what region, specifically, and what the criteria for "under-represented" is, given the Philippines land slide currently in the box, and the SE Asian stories recently in the box: a Japanese earthquake, an Indian supreme court ruling, typhoon Mangkhut, the Pakistani president, the Reuters journalists in Myanmar, typhoon Jebi, and a hotel fire in Harbin. Indeed, it would appear this region is perhaps over-represented? Who's to say without criteria, so just let me know what those are please. --LaserLegs (talk) 22:21, 23 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]
In defense of SE Asian countries, the only time anyone reads about these in ITN is during an 1) election, 2) disaster. That's it, barring unforeseen planets aligning and people here supporting the ASEAN Football Championship later this year. We even have ITNR items for countries such as Ireland (2, in fact!), while Singapore, a country that is more populous than the former, has a big fat zero ITNR items. Howard the Duck (talk) 10:07, 24 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]
The controversy around the Hong Kong section is still recent; that surrounding the section of I-95 in New Jersey is decades' old. Hardly the same. CaradhrasAiguo (leave language) 21:20, 27 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) RD: Edna Molewa

Article: Edna Molewa (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): News 24
Credits:

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Nominator's comments: South African politician; article is comprehensive and mostly well-sourced. EternalNomad (talk) 21:41, 22 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]

(Closed) Interstate 95 completed

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Articles: Interstate 95 (talk · history · tag) and Pennsylvania Turnpike/Interstate 95 Interchange Project (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ With the completion of part of the Pennsylvania Turnpike/Interstate 95 Interchange Project , Interstate 95 is completed after 62 years, the last project to be financed under the Federal-Aid Highway Act of 1956, which established the Interstate Highway System. (Post)
News source(s): Levittown Now, Federal Highway Administration
Credits:

Both articles updated
 Imzadi 1979  17:56, 22 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]
This is the most important motorway in the US and one of the most important in the world, serving (as mentioned before) 110 million people, Canada's most important highway, Harvard, the UN and New York (the only city that rivals London in importance), the capital of the world's most powerful country, 15 states and the so called Capital of Latin America (Miami, 71% Latin Americans, metro population 6 or 7 million). It has the busiest motor bridge in the world, most lanes on a bridge in the world (14 non-shoulder lanes on 2 floors) and approaching New York from the south it reaches 14 lanes and 8 shoulders with quadruple carriageways (and 2 jumbo jet runways hug the 22 lanes for awhile which is pretty cool). Also nearby are Yale, Princeton, Columbia University, 6 of 8 Ivy League unis, site of declaring independence from you (no hard feelings), the capital of the slave country..
At over 3,000 kilometers it's so long it starts where -41°C and 1.8 meters of snow depth and 4.2 meters snow in a year happens and ends in the tropics south of some Bahamas. Sagittarian Milky Way (talk) 01:34, 23 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]
And the law of 1956 was to build 41,000 miles of motorway with minimum 2 lanes in each direction which ended up costing 500 billion today dollars. Even Canada and Australia are mostly 1 lane in each direction when you cross the country cause Interstate highway standards are expensive. (Germany has much better roads but they have 5.5 times higher population density) Sagittarian Milky Way (talk) 01:59, 23 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]
@Sagittarian Milky Way: New York is "the only city that rivals London in importance"? The U.S. is the "world's most powerful country"? Are you high? London is "only rivalled by New York"? What about Beijing? Moscow? Berlin? Paris? Given Britain is being absolutely screwed right this minute in negotiations with the EU, the "importance" of London is not apparent right now. You do realise we aren't in the Age of Discovery anymore and the British Empire has been dead for literally decades? When you have to talk such delusional anglocentric bullshit to support your argument you serve only to discredit them. AusLondonder (talk) 06:18, 23 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Believe it or not AusLondonder, back in 1970s, historians like Correlli Barnett wrote books on the decline of Britain. None imagined how much further it still had to go. Hawkeye7 (discuss) 07:40, 23 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Global city. Sagittarian Milky Way (talk) 12:37, 23 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Indeed, I see a lot of interesting trivia there, but nothing that sways me from oppose. Get it to GA or FA and go to the main page some other way. It's not "in the news" because it's not really that newsworthy. The Rambling Man (talk) 06:26, 23 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Britain is declining to barely match the global power of a nation like Italy. Suggesting that if it wasn't for New York City London would be the "unrivalled" capital of the world would make even the staunchest Eurosceptic Little Englander blush. AusLondonder (talk) 10:56, 23 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Surely if it was that big a deal, we'd see Trump gobbing off on Twitter about "Hey, we got I-95 completed, while Hillary and Obama couldn't even get started! SAD!" or something like that.... (or perhaps he does, I don't read his feed for my own sanity) Ritchie333 (talk) (cont) 00:08, 23 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]
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(Posted) RD: Chas Hodges

Article: Chas Hodges (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): BBC News
Credits:

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: That's "Chas out of Chas & Dave" for those who aren't sure. Personally I prefer Green Bullfrog on which he plays some fine bass alongside Deep Purple's Ritchie Blackmore and Ian Paice and Procol Harum's Matthew Fisher ..... but to everyone else, it's "rabbit, rabbit, rabbit, rabbit" Ritchie333 (talk) (cont) 15:20, 22 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]

It's pretty much the results window from typing "Chas Hodges" into Google Books ... but inline citations added nonetheless. Ritchie333 (talk) (cont) 15:54, 22 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) Iranian military parade attack

Article: 2018 Ahvaz military parade attack (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ At least 29 people are killed during an attack at the Iranian military parade. (Post)
News source(s): CNN, al-arabiya
Credits:

Article needs updating

Nominator's comments: Developing story, needs updating. Brandmeistertalk 12:15, 22 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]

  • Nobody talk of notability. It's still in stubby state. I just removed large copyvio further shrinking it. –Ammarpad (talk) 16:43, 22 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Still rather thin. Rouhani’s allegation of U.S. responsibility could be added. Sca (talk) 14:42, 23 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]
It's about the same as Khamenei's. Did you see Rudy Giuliani's [7]? Wakari07 (talk) 16:10, 23 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Vatican announces deal with China on bishop appointments

Article: Catholic Church in China (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ The Communist Party of China agrees to allow the Vatican to appoint party-approved bishops for China. (Post)
Alternative blurb: ​ The Communist Party of China agrees to allow the Vatican to appoint and veto party-approved bishops for China.
Alternative blurb II: ​ The Holy See approves Catholic bishops appointed by the Communist Party of China
Alternative blurb III: ​ The Vatican approves Catholic bishops appointed by the Communist Party of China
Alternative blurb IV: Catholic bishops appointed by the Communist Party of China are approved by the Vatican
News source(s): Reuters, Associated Press
Credits:

Nominator's comments: The most populous religion in the world has made a landmark deal with the government of the most populous country in the world. Thunderforge (talk) 00:05, 24 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Comment There's currently an error in the nom's comment. When I was a child over half a century ago Catholicism was indeed "the most populous religion in the world", but it got overtaken by Islam a long time ago, so now Christianity is "the most populous religion in the world". Incidentally, Christianity should supposedly "soon" (whatever that means) be overtaken by Islam, and China by India. Tlhslobus (talk) 10:35, 24 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Catholics are outnumbered by Sunnis alone but the Catholic Church amazingly appears to be the world's largest denomination, possibly even if counting "not affiliated with a religion" as a denomination. Sagittarian Milky Way (talk) 21:27, 24 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]
I guess that may depend on who's defining 'denomination' (for instance who decides Sunnis are not a denomination?). As for the unaffiliated, I think anybody can divide them into all sorts of 'denominations' (atheists, agnostics, unaffiliated theists, etc). But I guess none of this is all that relevant to this nom, so I'll try to avoid saying any more on the subject.Tlhslobus (talk) 05:58, 25 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Needs target We can't evaluate the nom without a target. It seems unlikely this event would be important enough for any of the three articles linked. ghost 15:36, 24 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Good point - The target seems to be Catholic Church in China, but it's not in the blurbs. Tlhslobus (talk) 06:03, 25 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]
It's not parochial, China is a very major country and 1.2 billion belong to this church (world's most popular denomination (more populous than all entire religions except Islam and tied with "no religion"), was a major world religion for over 1.7 millennia (the 34% of world history since 313 AD) and dominated Western culture and Western culture west of about Soviets/Romanians/Serbs for 0.7 and 1.15 millennia respectively. Sagittarian Milky Way (talk) 22:57, 24 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Some of your facts seem a little dodgy, but I think you're 100% right that it's not parochial.Tlhslobus (talk) 06:12, 25 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks. As already mentioned, the nom's intended target seems to be Catholic Church in China, but it's not in any of the blurbs. Tlhslobus (talk) 10:41, 26 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Added that as target, but it needs work. ghost 11:45, 26 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks, ghost. I've changed the target to the relevant subsection of that article and added the target to all the blurbs. I'm not yet sure which blurb is most accurate, but if yours is, as I suspect, it might be a good idea to move it to the main blurb and drop the former main blurb to altblurb4.Tlhslobus (talk) 01:59, 27 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]
The original blurbs seem very misleading (and originally had no target) so I've moved them to the back, added your blurb as main blurb, and added altblurb1 as your blurb plus the words 'and veto'. Tlhslobus (talk) 02:12, 27 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Definitely notable, but I'd be a bit surprised if the new arrangement itself is unique even for today's Communist regimes, let alone for some of the past ones. On the other hand the division of the Chinese Catholic Church into 'patriotic' (party-approved) and 'underground' (party-resisting) Churches may well be unique, and even if not unique (for instance I know nothing about the position of the Catholic Churches in North Korea, Indochina, etc) it may well be uniquely large (and perhaps also uniquely long-lived) for such churches, and thus moves towards ending this state of affairs may well be unique, and are certainly notable.Tlhslobus (talk) 02:27, 27 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]
I've now mentioned it needs more work to make ITN on its Talk Page, and at 3 Wikprojects mentioned there (China, Catholicism, and Christianity in China). Perhaps that will bring in a few editors. Tlhslobus (talk) 02:55, 27 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Thank you. I have added the ((ITN nom)) template. -Ad Orientem (talk) 03:47, 27 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks. But China–Holy See relations seems to me to be in much better shape, tho I'm not a very good judge of such matters. Perhaps some better judge might have a look at it, to see if it (and the relevant section within it) would make a better target, or at least one easier to bring up to scratch (it's much shorter and seemingly much better referenced).Tlhslobus (talk) 03:50, 27 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]
(But even if it doesn't make a better target it may at least be a useful source of new references, and I've now mentioned this at Talk).Tlhslobus (talk) 03:55, 27 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]

September 21[edit]

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  • The government of Nigeria announces that 61 people have died and 50 others have been hospitalized from a cholera outbreak in Yobe. (Xinhua)

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  • A woman goes on a stabbing rampage in Queens, New York City, injuring five, including three infants. All are in stable condition. (CNN)

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(Posted) RD: Vitaliy Masol

Article: Vitaliy Masol (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
Credits:

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Former prime minister of Ukraine. Bit short, I will look to expand - Dumelow (talk) 13:37, 21 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]

→ Looks OK for RD. Sca (talk) 20:05, 21 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]

(Closed) Death of Trần Đại Quang

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Article: Trần Đại Quang (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination
Blurb:  Vietnamese president Trần Đại Quang dies aged 61. (Post)
News source(s): BBC
Credits:

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Nominator's comments: What a huge shocker... EternalNomad (talk) 05:20, 21 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]
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(Closed) International relations

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Article: Brexit negotiations (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: Prime Minister Theresa May says negotiations are "at an impasse" following yesterday's European Union leaders' meeting in Salzburg. (Post)
News source(s): ITV
Credits:
 The Vintage Feminist (talk) 13:47, 21 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]
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September 20[edit]

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(Closed) RD: K-Run's Park Me In First

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Article: K-Run's Park Me In First (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Fox Baltimore
Credits:

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.
 Fuebaey (talk) 14:52, 24 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]
  • Is the dog actually dead? There seems to be no source in the article that supports that claim. Also a procedural question - the dog is referred to, thoughout the article, by it's alternative name "Uno". Would this be a better name to use for the RD item? Thanks. Martinevans123 (talk) 15:12, 24 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]
  • This is from the Associated Press and is the first reference in the article - looks reliable. The death does need to be added to the main body of the article though, not just the infobox.--Pawnkingthree (talk) 15:23, 24 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]
  • Ah yes, I see it now, thanks. Is there any policy on having to use full names at RD, for dogs or for people? Martinevans123 (talk) 15:26, 24 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]
  • At first I couldn't find the actual date of death mentioned in that Fox article but see it is buried away in one of the photo captions - Dumelow (talk) 15:37, 24 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]
  • @Martinevans123: I don't recall seeing a show dog at ITN/C before - we've had racehorses and the occasional mayor of a small town, but if this were posted we might go with the shorter name for space reasons - I don't think there'a any rule against piping it.--Pawnkingthree (talk) 15:44, 24 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]
  • Thanks. That Fox News article mentions his full name, but calls him Uno. Martinevans123 (talk) 15:46, 24 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]
  • I believe that reader recognition and brevity are the interests at hand in picking the name. It would seem Uno is not an option here, but I don't think we can lop off the kennel either. Absent a better solution, I suggest ignoring the nom until it goes stale. ghost 15:52, 24 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]
  • That seems unnecessary. I'm sure an admin could figure something out.--Pawnkingthree (talk) 15:57, 24 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]
  • I was just being facetious. And an admin did! "Uno (dog)" is a perfect solution. ghost 16:13, 24 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]
  • I wonder could you explain why Uno is "not an option here"? As far as recognition is concerned, I'd suggest that, for most readers, both would be equally unrecognizable. One just takes up a lot more space. Martinevans123 (talk) 16:02, 24 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]
  • I was thinking the dog's common name would not be known to the general public. If that is not true, Uno would certainly be fine. ghost 16:09, 24 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]
  • Yes, but I thought the article update requirement meant they should be used to support a clear prose statement somewhere in the article? Martinevans123 (talk) 16:05, 24 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]
  • What is unclear about the prose statement "Uno died, at the age of 13, of cancer on September 20, 2018." It has been in the article since 15:29, September 24, 2018. --Jayron32 16:27, 24 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]
  • I would suggest nothing. I must have missed that addition, which was made about an hour before you posted. Thanks User:Fuebaey, for adding it. Martinevans123 (talk) 17:12, 24 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]
I would be fine with that suggestion.--Pawnkingthree (talk) 16:04, 24 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]
  • Moving the article to the common name seems reasonable. I'll wait with posting until we decide what to do. --Tone 16:52, 24 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]
  • I don't care either way (I oppose animal RDs generally), but this is getting real close to stale, if that matters at all. ghost 17:29, 24 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]
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(Posted) MV Nyerere sinking

Article: MV Nyerere sinking (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: A boat capsizes on Lake Victoria killing more than one hundred. (Post)
News source(s): BBC News, NBC News, Reuters
Credits:

Article updated

Nominator's comments: Could do with expansion. Fuebaey (talk) 13:34, 21 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]

→ Text is up to 270 words, which still seems minimal for an incident that caused at least 136 deaths and possibly many more. – Sca (talk) 15:41, 21 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) RD: Inge Feltrinelli

Article: Inge Feltrinelli (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Der Tagesspiegel
Credits:

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: The Italian photographer. I have made sure every paragraph is sourced and tracked down as many ISBNs for the bibliography, but some ISBNs are still missing. FoxyGrampa75 (talk) 23:43, 20 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) Naga City, Cebu landslide

Article: 2018 Naga, Cebu landslide (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ A landslide cause by days of heavy rainfall in Naga, Cebu in the Philippines, killing at least 29 and more than 50 others are missing. (Post)
Alternative blurb: ​ A massive landslide triggered by several days of heavy rainfall in Naga, Cebu in the Philippines, kills at least 29 and more than 50 others are missing
News source(s): ion/212472-death-toll-naga-cebu-landslide-september-21-2018 (Rappler) (Philippine Daily Inquirer)
Credits:

Nominator's comments: This one is a little bit of big news, at least 30 deaths. BSrap (talk) 12:06, 21 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]

September 19[edit]

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Disasters and accidents
  • Hurricane Florence
    • The death toll rises to 37 after two mental health patients died when the police van in which they were being transported got caught in floodwaters. (BBC)
  • Storm Ali
    • Two people are killed by Storm Ali as it brings winds of up to 160 kilometres per hour (99 mph) in Ireland. (BBC)

Law and crime
Science and technology

(Posted) RD: Marilyn Lloyd

Article: Marilyn Lloyd (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Chattanooga Times Free Press, Washington Post
Credits:

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: American politician. Fuebaey (talk) 18:59, 21 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) RD: Bunny Carr

Article: Bunny Carr (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
Credits:

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Irish TV presenter. I am working to expand it, but it is in reasonable condition - Dumelow (talk) 14:17, 20 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]

I added everything I could find in the obituaries. Hopefully it is now up to scratch - Dumelow (talk) 18:07, 20 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]

(Closed) RD: Geta Brătescu

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Article: Geta Brătescu (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Apollo
Credits:

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.
Nominator's comments: The Romanian artist. Article is well-sourced but sections 2, 3, and 4 might have to be dealt with. FoxyGrampa75 (talk) 01:00, 20 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]
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(Posted) RD: Jon Burge

Article: Jon Burge (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Chicago Tribune
Credits:

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Article has Good Article status and is overall well sourced --TDKR Chicago 101 (talk) 20:49, 19 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Good work TDKR Chicago 101. There is one paragraph left uncited, the first one of the "Culture of violence" section. Otherwise I would support - Dumelow (talk) 22:16, 19 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]
@Dumelow:: Fixed--TDKR Chicago 101 (talk) 22:22, 19 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Sorry, I had logged off for the day. Just to confirm my post-posting support on this one - Dumelow (talk) 06:52, 20 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]
  • I re-added a bit of detail that you removed, but the number of paragraphs is now 4, thanks. I don't think there are other issues, so I support. Hrodvarsson (talk) 23:23, 19 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) RD: Dave Barrett (journalist)

Article: Dave Barrett (journalist) (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Variety
Credits:

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Award winning journalist that was the host of the evening edition of the CBS World News Roundup. Article will need expanding. StrikerforceTalk 20:16, 19 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]

  • As I said, the article will need expanding. I was very surprised not to find one about him. I just don't have the time today to do more than I already have. StrikerforceTalk 20:21, 19 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]
  • Sorry, was I supposed to not comment here until you were personally ready? The Rambling Man (talk) 20:22, 19 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]
  • I wasn't implying that. I was just putting it out there that the article will be longer soon enough and that you may want to reconsider your !vote at that time. StrikerforceTalk 20:25, 19 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]
  • Indeed, I often reconsider my position, and I have this page watchlisted and contribute regularly. Cheers. The Rambling Man (talk) 20:26, 19 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) RD: Arthur Mitchell (dancer)

Article: Arthur Mitchell (dancer) (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): New York Times
Credits:

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: The African-American dancer. Two tags in the "Career at New York City Ballet" section but should be otherwise good. FoxyGrampa75 (talk) 18:40, 19 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]

I added citations to the awards. If we can't source the honorary doctors, we could skip them for now. Out for the day. The more I read about him, the more I think he deserves a blurb, - countering bias. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 14:23, 20 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]

(Closed) RD: Denis Norden

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Article: Denis Norden (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): BBC News
Credits:

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.
Nominator's comments: English comedy writer. Fix refimprove tag. FoxyGrampa75 (talk) 04:02, 19 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]
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(Closed) 2018 China–United States trade war

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Article: 2018 China–United States trade war (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ China and the United States impose tariffs on a combined $260 billion worth of each others' goods amidst an ongoing trade war (Post)
News source(s): [8][9] etc
Credits:

Article updated
Nominator's comments: With the US having threatened further tariffs if China retaliates (which they just did), this looks like it could be ongoing for a while. Banedon (talk) 01:02, 19 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]
The $260B in this suggestion refers to the $200B US tariffs and the $60B Chinese retaliation from the past 2 days. Coincidentally this does match the total US tariffs this year. Murchison-Eye (talk) 01:48, 19 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Well general readers in the USA (by far the largest share of en-wiki readers) actually are impacted, by 10%, on goods imported from China. The Chinese are impacted too, since ... --LaserLegs (talk) 21:33, 19 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Sure, prices just went up 10% today, of course they did!! And you have no idea how this impacts the Chinese. So I'd stop this speculative line. It's getting to be mildly embarrassing. The Rambling Man (talk) 21:36, 19 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]
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September 18[edit]

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(Closed) RD: Robert Venturi

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Article: Robert Venturi (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): The New York Times The Architects Newspaper
Credits:

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.
Nominator's comments: Influential architect Xwejnusgozo (talk) 11:06, 20 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]
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(Closed) RD: David DiChiera

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Article: David DiChiera (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Detroit Free Press
Credits:

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.
Nominator's comments: The opera manager. Article needs a few more sources but looks good. FoxyGrampa75 (talk) 14:56, 19 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]
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(Closed) RD: Marceline Loridan-Ivens

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Article: Marceline Loridan-Ivens (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): France 24
Credits:

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.
Nominator's comments: The French writer. Could use expansion from the French article. FoxyGrampa75 (talk) 04:02, 19 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Filmography and Awards need referencing, especially where there is no article. Red links are not a problem. Stephen 02:06, 20 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]
I can't find more info about the incomplete reference I said. I hope it was not just copied directly from French Wikipedia. –Ammarpad (talk) 08:14, 20 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]
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(Closed) RD: Steve Adlard

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Article: Steve Adlard (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): JS Online
Credits:

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.
Nominator's comments: English footballer. Currently a stub. FoxyGrampa75 (talk) 04:02, 19 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]
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(Closed) RD: Jean Piat

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Article: Jean Piat (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Le Figaro
Credits:

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.
Nominator's comments: French actor. FoxyGrampa75 (talk) 04:02, 19 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]
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(Closed) RD: Norifumi Yamamoto

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Article: Norifumi Yamamoto (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): https://www.bbc.com/sport/mixed-martial-arts/45561100
Credits:

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.
Nominator's comments: Mixed Martial Artist that was at one point considered among the best pound-for-pound in the world, and a huge star in Japan in his prime. Might need expansion to convey his cultural impact? Ginfners (talk) 17:20, 18 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]
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September 17[edit]

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(Posted) RD: Celia Barquin Arozamena

Article: Celia Barquín Arozamena (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): The Guardian
Credits:

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Just created so still has a stub tag - will need expansion. Subjects meets WP:NGOLFPawnkingthree (talk) 15:55, 18 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]

(Closed) 70th Primetime Emmy Awards

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Article: 70th Primetime Emmy Awards (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ In television, "The Marvelous Mrs. Maisel" wins Best Comedy and "Game of Thrones" wins Best Drama at the 70th Primetime Emmy Awards. (Post)
News source(s): THR
Credits:

Article updated
The nominated event is listed on WP:ITN/R, so each occurrence is presumed to be important enough to post. Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article and update meet WP:ITNCRIT, not the significance.
Nominator's comments: More likely can be written about the ceremonies (I did not watch, but thre's usually an "in memorandum" sequence, and those types of details, and just checking news headlines there was a marriage proposal by one of the winners. That should be summarized like we do with sporting events) Masem (t) 05:01, 18 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Both your !vote and WaltCip's should presumably be ignored as opposing an ITNR item on grounds other than quality.Tlhslobus (talk) 03:05, 20 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]
But you aren't exactly ignoring our !votes, are you? Since you haven't provided any evidence for your claim, I would have to take a look at ITNR to see whether it disallows such opposes. And frankly, I don't care if it does. My !vote stands. Lepricavark (talk) 11:53, 20 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]
This is ITNR and as such should not be opposed on the merits. If you feel it should not be ITNR, please propose its removal at the ITNR talk page. 331dot (talk) 23:56, 20 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]
I've taken a look at WP:ITN/R. The box at the very top of the page labels it a guideline, not a policy, and explicitly allows for "occasional exceptions." That quoted phrase is wikilinked to WP:IAR. My !vote is valid. Lepricavark (talk) 01:07, 21 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Your argument to not post is that the awards as a whole are not that important anymore. While there may be validity in that, that is not discussing this specific instance, but instead the class as a whole. That argument goes to ITNR. --Masem (t) 01:09, 21 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]
In case my initial post was not sufficiently clear, I will state for the record that I do not consider the 2018 Emmys to be significant enough to merit a blurb. Lepricavark (talk) 01:18, 21 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks, Lepricavark. Although it would actually be up to the posting admin to decide (if the article ever achieves posting quality, which would rather surprise me), my own guess is that your !vote at least arguably became valid as soon as you mentioned WP:IAR. This seems to have possibly important implications for both ITNR and ITNRD, and (although strictly speaking this isn't a truly new situation) it might perhaps be worth starting a discussion about such implications (perhaps at the ITNC Talk page, and perhaps pinging everybody involved in this nom). I may or may not try to start such a discussion myself, but definitely not just yet, but perhaps some other editor(s) might wish to start one anyway without waiting for me.Tlhslobus (talk) 01:58, 22 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]
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(Posted) RD: Enzo Calzaghe

Article: Enzo Calzaghe (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
Credits:

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: British boxing trainer. Article is pretty poor at the moment but I will look to see if I get get it up to the mark in the next few hours - Dumelow (talk) 15:15, 17 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]

I expanded it a little and improved the referencing. It's not perfect but I think it meets the standard now - Dumelow (talk) 22:36, 17 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]

September 16[edit]

Health and environment
  • The Sunspot Solar Observatory in New Mexico is set to reopen on Monday after being closed due to "an on-going law enforcement investigation of criminal activity that occurred at Sacramento Peak" in which "a suspect in the investigation potentially posed a threat to the safety of local staff and residents". (CNET)
  • A man and a woman are taken ill after a medical incident in Salisbury, United Kingdom. Police seal off a restaurant as a precautionary measure. According to The Guardian, tensions are high due to recent Novichok poisonings. According to the BBC, "there's no suggestion that this is connected". According to Sky News, at least one of the individuals who fell ill is a Russian. (The Guardian) (BBC) (Sky News)
  • Two people die and 700 others seek medical attention, including three people in critical condition at the Defqon.1 Festival in Sydney, Australia, for drug-related issues. Premier of New South Wales Gladys Berejiklian says that the event is dangerous and will never take place again, effectively banning the music festival. (BBC)

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Sports

(Posted) RD: Tommy Best

Article: Tommy Best (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Hereford Times
Credits:

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Former professional footballer. Article is short but adequate and decently referenced. Ad Orientem (talk) 03:20, 18 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]

All three cn tags you added are sourced to the ref at the end of the paragraph? Kosack (talk) 06:13, 18 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]

(Closed) Vontae Davis halftime retirement

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Article: Vontae Davis (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: Football player Vontae Davis announces his retirement during halftime of a Buffalo Bills game. (Post)
Alternative blurb: American football player Vontae Davis announces his retirement during halftime of a Buffalo Bills game.
News source(s): ESPN
Credits:
Nominator's comments: Highly unusual to see a professional athlete decide to end their career by retiring during the middle of a game in which their team is currently competing. StrikerforceTalk 21:26, 17 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]
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(Posted) RD: James B. Thayer

Article: James B. Thayer (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
Credits:

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: American WWII silver star recipient, brigadier-general and father of KISS guitarist Tommy Thayer. Article seems to be in good nick - Dumelow (talk) 23:19, 16 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]

I see The Oregonian has just covered it so I have added that ref also - Dumelow (talk) 18:55, 17 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) RD: Kevin Beattie

Article: Kevin Beattie (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): BBC
Credits:

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Not good enough yet (stub) but hoping to change that soonest. The Rambling Man (talk) 17:24, 16 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) Eliud Kipchoge marathon world record

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Article: Eliud Kipchoge (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ At the 2018 Berlin Marathon, Eliud Kipchoge of Kenya sets a new marathon world record at 2:01:39. (Post)
Alternative blurb: ​ At the 2018 Berlin Marathon, in Germany, Eliud Kipchoge of Kenya sets a new marathon world record at 2:01:39.
News source(s): IAAF
Credits:

Nominator's comments: Marathon world record is one of those rare sport records that we post on ITN, together with 100m dash and perhaps some records in athletics that haven't been broken for ages. The last time the record was broken was in 2013 which we posted, and so was in 2011. The articles needs some updates first, though. Tone 09:49, 16 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]

see: c:Category:Berlin-Marathon 2018 --C.Suthorn (talk) 11:03, 16 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]

  • Quite a feat, taking 1 minute and 18 seconds off the previous world record set four years ago by Dennis Kimetto. The IAFF have published this, with the time. But that still says "*Subject to the usual ratification procedure". Martinevans123 (talk) 13:32, 16 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]
  • Once ratified you've got my full support for posting. The ratification annoncement will appear here. Mkwia (talk) 13:34, 16 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) Retirement of Delta II rocket

Articles: ICESat-2 (talk · history · tag) and Delta II (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ICESat-2 is launched, the last mission to use the Delta II rocket. (Post)
News source(s): [11]
Credits:

Article updated
One or both nominated events are listed on WP:ITN/R, so each occurrence is presumed to be important enough to post. Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article and update meet WP:ITNCRIT, not the significance.

Nominator's comments: ICESat-2 was the last launch of a Delta II. Of the rockets still flying, only Russia's Proton has more flights. At over 150 launches, it is the most launches by a non-Soviet rocket. 71.197.186.255 (talk) 20:01, 16 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks, Stephen. Tlhslobus (talk) 02:52, 20 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]

September 15[edit]

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(Posted) Hurricane Florence

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Article: Hurricane Florence (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: Hurricane Florence (pictured) kills at least 11 people and causes widespread inland flooding in the Carolinas, prompting mass evacuations. (Post)
Alternative blurb: Hurricane Florence (pictured) kills at least 11 people and causes widespread inland flooding in the Carolinas, prompting mass evacuations in the east coast of the United States.
Alternative blurb II: Hurricane Florence (pictured) kills at least 11 people and causes widespread inland flooding in the Carolinas, prompting mass evacuations in the United States.
Alternative blurb III: Hurricane Florence (pictured) causes widespread inland flooding in the Carolinas, prompting mass evacuations in the east coast of the United States.
Alternative blurb IV: Hurricane Florence (pictured) makes landfall in North Carolina, United States, killing at least 11 people.
News source(s): USAToday, BBC, WGHP
Credits:

Article updated

Nominator's comments: Catastrophic inland flood event is beginning to unfold as record-breaking rains swell rivers. Large-scale evacuations have begun, specifically along the Cape Fear River (which is expected to rise by 40ft over the next two days) and Little River. Forecasts anticipate this to be among the worst flood disasters in North Carolina history. Wholly separate event from Typhoon Mangkhut so blurbs should not be combined if/when Mangkhut's article is ready. ~ Cyclonebiskit (chat) 19:50, 15 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Problem already solved by altblurbs. Propose a new altblurb if this is insufficient. Enough bickering. Brendon the Wizard ✉️ 00:07, 16 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment The blurb doesn't state the country in which "the Carolinas" can be found. Chrisclear (talk) 22:19, 15 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]
  • Reply That blurb is sufficient. "the Carolinas" is a hyperlink which clearly shows the map of the United States. Saying "East Coast of the United States" is less informative. Brendon the Wizard ✉️ 22:25, 15 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]
  • Reply To say that a blurb without a country is insufficient. Readers should not have to click on a link to find out the location of the country where the event took place. If there was a hurricane that hit the Sapphire Coast, I doubt it would be deemed acceptable to state Sapphire Coast with a wikilink but fail to include the country. Notwithstanding your pejorative language below ("lose their mind"), I'm glad you've suggested alternatives that state the country. Chrisclear (talk) 23:34, 15 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]
"Saying "East Coast of the United States" is less informative." Ridiculous. Only an American could have written that. HiLo48 (talk) 23:10, 15 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Such a statement is objectively correct; it's not disputable that "the East Coast of the United States" is less specific than "the Carolinas" by definition. It's equally valid to say that "New South Wales" is more informative than "the East Coast of Australia." Nevertheless, I've proposed altblurbs that solve this problem. Brendon the Wizard ✉️ 23:15, 15 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]
"it's not disputable that "the East Coast of the United States" is less specific than "the Carolinas" by definition." Until yesterday, I had never seen nor heard the term The Carolinas. My spellchecker disapproves of it. Again, only an American could write what you are writing. I don't mind the fact that Americans see (and spell) things differently from the rest of the English speaking world. What bothers me is when they assume that everyone else sees things the same way as them. No, "the Carolinas" is quite unclear to many people. "East coast of the US" is 100% clear to the whole world. HiLo48 (talk) 23:22, 15 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Have you heard of the US states of North Carolina and South Carolina? They are sometimes known as the Carolinas. Sagittarian Milky Way (talk) 23:29, 15 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Sometimes? By non-Americans? HiLo48 (talk) 23:40, 15 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]
HiLo, even if I agreed to the premise of your argument (which I don't; I truly have no problem with someone saying "in Tasmania" or "in Ontario" or "in Donetsk" or "in Catalonia" or "in Nizhny Novgorod" etc), there's a reason why we'd use "the Carolinas" (hyperlink) and not "the Carolinas" (not a hyperlink, assumes the reader already knows where that is). Nothing about that proposed blurb assumes that everyone sees the world through an American lens. Brendon the Wizard ✉️ 23:39, 15 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Of course it does. That's why you need a hyperlink. Nobody should be forced to click on a link, and many won't. Again, I submit the term is never (well, hardly ever - can't know for sure) used outside the US. We should not use it. Why won't Americans accept advice from non-Americans about the language? HiLo48 (talk) 23:43, 15 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]
The East Coast of the US (not east coast) is a very unspecific area. At one end it's so tropical they haven't seen 40°F in recorded history (54,000 nights) and at the other it's seen -41°F or -52°F and they get meters of snow every year. Sagittarian Milky Way (talk) 00:36, 16 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]
We generally have no qualms with accepting advice from most non-Americans. It's those with a clear anti-American bias that we tend to ignore. Lepricavark (talk) 23:55, 15 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Please discuss what I have written, rather than me. HiLo48 (talk) 00:01, 16 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]
But we have to discuss you, HiLo, because you insist on making you and your painfully obvious anti-American bias a central point of every discussion that involves contentious items like this. When are you going to give it up? WaltCip (talk) 00:05, 16 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]
No. You have an anti-American bias and it is becoming a serious problem. Lepricavark (talk) 00:03, 16 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]
"East Coast of the U.S." is too broad. It ranges from Maine to Florida, most of which is not affected by this storm. – Muboshgu (talk) 23:32, 15 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Comment The issue is not with the term "the Carolinas" per se, it's just that this level of detail should be secondary to stating the country in which the event took place. Chrisclear (talk) 23:38, 15 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]
That's fine, but "East Coast of the U.S." is so broad as to be inaccurate. There's probably a way to say "the Carolinas" and "U.S." without referencing the entire East Coast of the U.S. – Muboshgu (talk) 23:44, 15 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]
I agree; for that reason I've kept "the Carolinas" in every altblurb. Brendon the Wizard ✉️ 23:39, 15 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]
  • Haters will lose their minds at errors, and we do tend to include the country in a disaster blurb -- but I have no idea how to add it without it being clunky. --LaserLegs (talk) 23:04, 15 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]
  • You're probably right that people would lose their mind at errors; I've attempted to write two altblurbs that should satisfy this concern. Brendon the Wizard ✉️ 23:15, 15 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]
  • Added another altblurb that excludes mention of death toll (which honestly is how it should be with a hurricane listing, the death toll can change very drastically, both rapidly and over an extended period of time). Brendon the Wizard ✉️ 23:24, 15 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]
  • We routinely post the death toll from natural disasters, in fact, the current typhoon in the box was posted with the death toll, I don't like it, but we shouldn't just stop doing it for this one select item. --LaserLegs (talk) 00:18, 16 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]
  • Understandable, worst case scenario is we go to errors to update the death toll if new numbers come out while it's still on the FP. Brendon the Wizard ✉️ 00:28, 16 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Since Brendon the Wizard insists on hiding the part of the thread where people criticised his opinions, I need to say it again here. "The Carolinas" is a term not well known outside the USA. (My spell checker disapproves too.) This is a global encyclopaedia. We should avoid the term. HiLo48 (talk) 03:26, 16 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]
I closed it because you insisted on perpetuating an argument over a non-issue. The problem was solved basically as soon as it started, but you turned it into a wall of text and even tried un-closing it. Saying "North Carolina" is inaccurate because it's causing significant damage to both North and South Carolina. Stop inventing ways to make every last discussion about perceived American biases. Brendon the Wizard ✉️ 14:37, 16 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Reply At the time of writing, the Hurricane Florence article states that "Florence made landfall in Wrightsville Beach, North Carolina". Although there has been hurricane-related damage in South Carolina, this state appears to be more than 50 miles away from where the hurricane made landfall, the specific word used in the blurb. Chrisclear (talk) 15:35, 16 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Fair enough, though I personally prefer that the blurb mentions both because the real impacts of Florence are certainly not limited to North Carolina, as several of the confirmed deaths thus far are in South Carolina, so I think the blurb should reflect this as it's a significant part of what makes the story newsworthy. Brendon the Wizard ✉️ 15:47, 16 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks, Tone.Tlhslobus (talk) 16:07, 16 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]
That alleged 'Bias' has now disappeared following the posting of Mongkhut. But those determined to see bias can presumably still point to Florence being pictured despite the much higher Mongkhut death toll. And in this case they would seem to be right (or at the very least to have a far stronger case than before), as adding the Mongkhut picture is easy (whereas bringing the Mongkhut article up to scratch was hard). There is also a separate 'cosmetic' problem associated with this, as the Florence picture currently seems to be illustrating Mongkhut. Tlhslobus (talk) 17:33, 16 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]
@Tlhslobus: Image has been replaced with one for Mangkhut. ~ Cyclonebiskit (chat) 17:51, 16 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks, Cyclonebiskit. Tlhslobus (talk) 17:53, 16 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) Typhoon Mangkhut (2018)

Article: Typhoon Mangkhut (2018) (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ At least thirty people have died after a massive storm brought destruction to the northern Philippines. (Post)
Alternative blurb: Typhoon Mangkhut impacts the Philippines, Taiwan, and China, resulting in at least 67 fatalities.
News source(s): BBC
Credits:

Article needs updating

Nominator's comments: Still some referencing issues. Sherenk1 (talk) 13:00, 15 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]

"MINIMUMDEATHS" was never a policy to begin with and the redirect to that userspace essay was deleted for causing more harm than good and being overall misleading and unhelpful, but personally I'd either add both to ongoing or post the two separately. If I'm not mistaken, the landfalls of 2017 hurricanes were posted swimmingly, rather than waiting until after they've been affecting land for many days to post, or proposing posting them to ongoing instead. I support doing what we did in 2017: consider the landfalls of these extremely destructive storms to be news stories. I support posting both of them as individual ITN stories, and Mangkhut has already killed many people; it's a very large, extremely powerful storm, and it has already objectively caused widespread devastation. Nothing too soon about that.
As for Hurricane Florence, by virtue of the facts that Florence was near major at landfall, that it's a massive storm by size which allows for widespread devastation from flooding, storm surge, and winds, and that high pressure systems north of the storm are forcing it to stall for many days (like Harvey did) and hug the coast (like Irma did) I strongly disagree with the arguments that it's too soon to know if Florence's landfall is newsworthy. Everything about its landfall is newsworthy. I'm considering unclosing the other nomination; I think that the way it was proposed was botched, but the news story itself is quite obviously important. It was in good faith that it was closed, but the statement "we tend to wait until the damage has been reported" could not be further from the truth because damage reports don't happen until long after hurricane season has ended entirely, and at WP:TC we tend not to present preliminary damage reports as fact (noting that they're preliminary) because they're often neither official nor fully accurate.
Lastly, I also oppose the wording of the current blurb. I don't disagree that it is a "massive" storm, it certainly is, but for obvious reasons the blurb should be more informative and straightforward. Brendon the Wizard ✉️ 18:06, 15 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]
"...the quality of this article is currently below the Main page standards." That's our systemic bias for you. HiLo48 (talk) 08:14, 16 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]
I am not posting an article with 3 orange tags and empty subsections, bias or not. I would be happy to expand the article but this is really not my expert area. --Tone 08:28, 16 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]
I've now also said this at WP:ERRORS, as it seems to have gone unnoticed here.Tlhslobus (talk) 19:48, 20 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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(Closed) Hurricane Florence

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Article: Hurricane Florence (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: Hurricane Florence makes landfall in (insert location). (Post)
News source(s): http://www.foxnews.com/us/2018/09/14/hurricane-florences-path-track-storm-here.html
Credits:
Nominator's comments: Hurricane that has potential to cause widespread damage in the USA. 1779Days (talk) 05:58, 14 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]
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(Closed) Massachusetts gas explosions

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Article: Massachusetts gas explosions (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: Gas explosions in Massachusetts lead to evacuations as more than 30 fires erupt. (Post)
News source(s): CNN Guardian (UK)
Credits:

Article updated
Nominator's comments: Brand new article, unusual condition that is getting national coverage. — xaosflux Talk 00:44, 14 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]
HiLo48, There are certainly valid reasons to oppose this(and I do as well), but "Please do not oppose an item because the event is only relating to a single country, or failing to relate to one. This applies to a high percentage of the content we post and is unproductive." If you want to fight the very real systemic bias, please make some nominations. As noted, there are currently 0 US related blurbs. 331dot (talk) 09:46, 14 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]
HiLo48, Continuing to rail about US centrism is irritating to the point of being disruptive. You were warned about doing this on ITN a few years ago. Stop it.--WaltCip (talk) 11:17, 14 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]
The Ra Ra All-American comments are the problem. HiLo48 (talk) 04:17, 14 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Ah, so you were talking about a different thread. Gotcha. Lepricavark (talk) 04:20, 14 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]
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  • A man plows his car into a crowd of people at a busy square in Hengyang, Hunan, China, before exiting his vehicle and stabbing bystanders. Eleven people are killed and 44 others are injured. The attacker was detained and identified by police as a convicted drug dealer and thief, who said that "he wanted to take revenge on society". (South China Morning Post)
  • Five people are killed in a string of shootings in Bakersfield, California, before the gunman fatally shoots himself. (Reuters)

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(Posted) RD: Henry Kalis

Article: Henry Kalis (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
Credits:

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Minnesota state legislature representative. I have expanded the article a bit - Dumelow (talk) 06:00, 15 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]

(Closed) Antonio Saca sentencing

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Article: Antonio Saca (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ Former Salvadorian president Antonio Saca is sentenced to 10 years in prison on embezzlement and money laundering charges. (Post)
News source(s): Reuters
Credits:
Nominator's comments: Sentencing of a former head of state. EternalNomad (talk) 01:44, 14 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]
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(Posted) RD: Rachid Taha

Article: Rachid Taha (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
Credits:

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Algerian singer. Not my area of expertise but at a quick glance the article looks OK - Dumelow (talk) 21:48, 12 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Comment: I have now reffed those two passages - Dumelow (talk) 22:22, 12 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Good work! --TDKR Chicago 101 (talk) 23:01, 12 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) RD: Shen Chun-shan

Article: Shen Chun-shan (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Focus Taiwan News Channel
Credits:

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Article updated and well sourced --TDKR Chicago 101 (talk) 18:48, 12 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]

(Closed) Directive on Copyright in the Digital Single Market

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Article: Directive on Copyright in the Digital Single_Market (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ The European Parliament has voted in favor of the Directive on Copyright in the Digital Single Market, removing the "mere conduit" exemption from copyright infringement (Post)
News source(s): https://www.theverge.com/2018/9/12/17849868/eu-internet-copyright-reform-article-11-13-approved
Credits:

Article needs updating
Nominator's comments: Nominated due to the significant change this could bring to the internet at large, as well as the significant media attention it was reciveing prior to the vote. Topic has been covered by numerous reputable papers. and effects any ewbsite that links to news articles on mass. Fremanofkol (talk) 14:06, 12 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]
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September 11[edit]

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(NDTV) Braview Academy Highschool in Whitefield, Dundee (Scotland) burns down after a major fire occurred as dozens of fire fighters finally put it out fortunately no one was injured

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(Posted) RD: Don Newman (basketball)

Article: Don Newman (basketball) (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
Credits:

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Article a bit thin but potentially acceptable. I formatted a few references, but don't have time to review it thoroughly - Dumelow (talk) 22:00, 12 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Comment Record section remains unsourced and one cn tag. --TDKR Chicago 101 (talk) 22:19, 12 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks. I have added refs for these sections - Dumelow (talk) 08:39, 13 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) RD: Fenella Fielding

Article: Fenella Fielding (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): BBC
Credits:

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: British actress, appeared in two "Carry On" films. May need some minor referencing issues addressing. Mjroots (talk) 07:16, 12 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]

(Closed) RD: Ramin Panahi

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Article: Ramin Panahi (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Rudaw, VOANEWS, Amnesty International
Credits:

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.
Nominator's comments: I haven't made any changes but founded the article and nominated to the RD. ئارام بکر (talk) 13:36, 11 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]
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(Posted) RD: Kulsoom Nawaz

Article: Kulsoom Nawaz (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): DAWN, BBC
Credits:

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

 Saqib (talk) 11:32, 11 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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(Posted) RD: Co Westerik

Article: Co Westerik (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): NRC Handelsblad, NOS
Credits:

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: I've made some changes but the article needs work. Thine Antique Pen (talk) 18:43, 10 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]

September 9[edit]

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  • Weinstein effect
    • Les Moonves resigns as CEO of CBS Corporation amid reports of sexual misconduct allegations and an ongoing investigation into his behavior. CBS donates $20 million to groups supporting the Me Too movement and states that this money may be deducted from Moonves' severance package depending on the investigation's results. (CNN)

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Swedish general election, 2018

Article: Swedish general election, 2018 (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ In Sweden, the general election results in a hung parliament, with the Red-Green alliance, led by incumbent Prime Minister Stefan Löfven, retaining a plurality of seats. (Post)
Alternative blurb: ​ The Swedish Social Democratic Party, led by incumbent Prime Minister Stefan Löfven, retains the most seats in the Riksdag.
Alternative blurb II: The Swedish Social Democratic Party's share of the vote in the Swedish general election declines by 8.4 percent from 2014, while the right-wing populist Sweden Democrats' share more than doubles.
Alternative blurb III: ​ The Swedish Social Democratic Party, led by incumbent Prime Minister Stefan Löfven, loses support but retains the most seats in the Riksdag.
News source(s): BBC, NPR, AP, Reuters, Guardian
Credits:

Article needs updating
The nominated event is listed on WP:ITN/R, so each occurrence is presumed to be important enough to post. Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article and update meet WP:ITNCRIT, not the significance.

Nominator's comments: Hopefully I've phrased this blurb correctly. The election article has serious sourcing issues, and the Red-Green article should be updated. Davey2116 (talk) 06:00, 10 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]

The composition is not quite final; the results are still preliminary. TompaDompa (talk) 07:05, 10 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Like most Western election articles, there is prose on the background to the election and a bunch of tables. Unfortunately, there is a severe lack of inline citations to support the majority of it. There also is no prose update on the results in the article. It is unfair to ask the reader to infer, that the two main blocs are deadlocked and that a populist party are potential kingmakers or that alliances might split to form a working majority/minority government or that there might be a new election, from an infobox/table - especially if they are unfamiliar with the electoral system. On a minor note, the lead is quite thin. Fuebaey (talk) 14:58, 10 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Since we appear to be !vote counting, please note that I Oppose posting this at this time for the above reasons. Fuebaey (talk) 15:50, 10 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Plurality is used in U.S. English, but only in reporting on parliamentary elections elsewhere. Sca (talk) 00:24, 11 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]
  • "Plurality" is technically the correct word, because it indicates winning the most of something without reaching a majority. But if you're using "hung parliament" in the sentence anyway, that's a given so you could just say "wins the most seats". Black Kite (talk) 22:28, 10 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]
→ According to the Guardian, official results give the center-left bloc one more seat in the Riksdag than the center-right block. Sweden consequently faces "weeks, if not months, of talks to form a new government." Time to close? – Sca (talk) 21:43, 14 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) RD: Frank Andersson

Article: Frank Andersson (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Aftonbladet
Credits:

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

 --BabbaQ (talk) 17:59, 9 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]

  • @Pine: This isnt a ITN nom. If he is notable enough for inclusion he is notable enough for RD. It is an RD nom, not an ITN nom.BabbaQ (talk) 18:08, 9 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]
  • As you were writing I had second thoughts. I'm striking my oppose because it looks like the consensus on this page for the notability threshold for recent deaths is lower than I would have thought. Personally I would prefer a higher bar, but I don't want to start that discussion at this time. --Pine 18:10, 9 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support Looks good to me now. – Muboshgu (talk) 18:19, 9 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]

2018 US Open (tennis)

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Article: 2018 US Open (tennis) (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ In tennis, Naomi Osaka (pictured) wins the women's tournament and Novak Djokovic wins the men's tournament at the US Open. (Post)
Alternative blurb: ​ In tennis, Novak Djokovic wins the men's tournament and Naomi Osaka wins the women's tournament at the US Open.
News source(s): CNN
Credits:

Article needs updating
The nominated event is listed on WP:ITN/R, so each occurrence is presumed to be important enough to post. Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article and update meet WP:ITNCRIT, not the significance.

Nominator's comments: Lots of controversy surrounding Serena Williams loss at event, citing sexism Irkediambed (talk) 12:12, 9 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]

I have fixed the Osaka article. --- Coffeeandcrumbs 01:40, 11 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]
  • It isn't getting posted in the state it's in. The lede hasn't been updated, the two prose paragraphs about the tournament itself are completely unsourced (hence the massive great tag at the top which disqualifies it straight away), and there's no prose about the men's singles final, let alone anything else. Black Kite (talk) 22:13, 10 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]
  • The ten year test clearly violates WP:CRYSTAL, and, somewhat unusually, in this case the results clearly aren't the news - if we want the news we need a new altblurb: Celeb throws tantrum but, perhaps unfortunately, that'd be WP:SNOW, per the ITN Cabal Tlhslobus (talk) 05:41, 11 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Actually, having read and thought a bit more about it, including the sexism and the allegedly racist cartoon rows it has generated, I now suspect 'celeb throws tantrum' may have been a bit too flippant of me. And, although it's arguably WP:CRYSTAL (but arguably also relevant to judging what's 'encyclopedic' about this, which is arguably relevant to our assessment of article quality), I also suspect that this row is far more likely to be remembered in 10 years' time than the 'first Japanese winner' aspect (I think John McEnroe's outburst are better remembered now than many of those who beat him, and that's without any sexism and racism aspects to those rows, unlike the current story). I'd also be interested to hear when both male and female Grand Slam finalists were last penalized a whole game (especially so close to the decisive phase of the match), and to see that mentioned in our article if there are any reliable sources mentioning it (if only because it seems relevant to our readers' understanding of the 'sexism' row).Tlhslobus (talk) 21:30, 11 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Comment The BLP for Naomi Osaka is ready I think. So too is Novak Djokovic which has over 400 RS. Do we have to bold the 2018 US Open? --- Coffeeandcrumbs 01:40, 11 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]

(Closed) RD: Gennadi Gagulia

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Article: Gennadi Gagulia (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): RT
Credits:

Article needs updating
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.
Nominator's comments: Standing PM of Abkhazia at the time of his death. Openlydialectic (talk) 10:50, 9 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]
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(Posted) RD: Lorraine H. Morton

Article: Lorraine H. Morton (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): https://chicago.suntimes.com/news/evanston-mayor-lorraine-morton/
Credits:

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Fully sourced to secondary sources MurielMary (talk) 19:09, 10 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]

(Closed) World Trade Center–Cortlandt (IRT Broadway–Seventh Avenue Line)

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Article: World Trade Center–Cortlandt (IRT Broadway–Seventh Avenue Line) (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ The WTC–Cortlandt (IRT Broadway–Seventh Avenue Line) subway station opens for the first time since being destroyed in the September 11 attacks in 2001. (Post)
News source(s): [14]
Credits:

Article updated
 Philroc (c) 18:56, 9 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]
  • To expand on my comment: the association with the September 11 attacks, and the length of time that the station was closed, also do not make this news significant enough for ITN, in my opinion. --Pine 19:07, 9 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]
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(Posted) RD: Abu Hassan Omar

Article: Abu Hassan Omar (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): New Straits Times
Credits:

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Malaysian politician. –Ammarpad (talk) 12:58, 9 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) RD: Chelsi Smith

Article: Chelsi Smith (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): ABC13
Credits:

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: American singer/beauty queen. Article well sourced. –Ammarpad (talk) 07:06, 9 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]

(Closed) Alibaba Co Founder Jack Ma to retire

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Article: Jack Ma (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ Jack Ma announced he will retire from Alibaba on September 10 2018 and pursue educational charity work. (Post)
News source(s): The Economic Times ,Los Angeles Times
Credits:
  • We do post retirements, e.g. [16]. Banedon (talk) 07:04, 8 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]
  • It was a retirement, and that was highly contested ITNC. At least with Ferguson, there was some accolades to suggest how important the retirement was. Here, it is a wealthy CEO leaving his business. Not in the same ballpark. --Masem (t) 07:22, 8 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]
  • Ferguson was the manager of a successful group of imported sports stars who kicked a ball about. Exact same pitch, actually. 1000% exactly the same. Five years on, and no one has forgiven the Ferguson posting. --LaserLegs (talk) 12:40, 8 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]
  • Axtually I’m afraid that demonstrates how much you don’t know about Ferguson and his legacy. But that in itself serves a purpose I guess. The Rambling Man (talk) 12:57, 8 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]
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(Closed) Hery Rajaonarimampianina

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Article: Hery Rajaonarimampianina (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: President of Madagascar Hery Rajaonarimampianina (pictured) resigns from office due to year-end presidential election contestations. (Post)
Credits:
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(Posted) RD: Samuel Bodman

Article: Samuel Bodman (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): The Hill
Credits:

Article needs updating
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Article updated and well sourced --TDKR Chicago 101 (talk) 04:37, 8 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]

  • @MurielMary:: Since there is no reliable source citing the exact date of death, the article simply has September 2018 as the death date with info of former President Bush announcing his death on September 7. Issues fixed. --TDKR Chicago 101 (talk) 15:02, 8 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) RD: Mac Miller

Article: Mac Miller (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): TMZ US Weekly
Credits:

Article needs updating
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Nominator's comments: Rapper. Multiple reliable sources are reporting the story, but all are citing TMZ as the source. This would normally make me a bit uncomfortable, but their track record on this sort of thing is pretty solid. StrikerforceTalk 20:56, 7 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]

  • I cited the albums, but can't find sources for the tours. May be the article can do without that. 17:32, 8 September 2018 (UTC)

(Posted) Brazil presidential frontrunner stabbed, is in serious condition

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Article: Jair Bolsonaro (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: Jair Bolsonaro (pictured), the frontrunner in the upcoming Brazilian presidential election, is stabbed during a campaign rally and is in serious condition (Post)
Alternative blurb: Brazilian presidential candidate Jair Bolsonaro (pictured) is stabbed during a campaign rally.
News source(s): [18]
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Comment. The ref doesn't say critical. It say serious. Moriori (talk) 00:27, 7 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]

  • Still, Brazil is a large (210 million, 5h largest country in the world) and stable (compared to most others) country so that an attempt on the frontrunner is a notable event even if he didn't die. Think about whether we would have made an ITN note if Trump had been stabbed and in serious condition during his electoral campaign. Openlydialectic (talk) 01:47, 7 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]
(Perhaps with the complications about Lula, it's not technically untrue, but it's confusing) Smurrayinchester 13:31, 7 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]
I take issue with this as well. I think frontrunner is fine to use when there's a clear dominance in the polls, but it feels a bit loaded applied here. I mean Hillary Clinton was the clear frontrunner in the last US presidential election but it would still not feel neutral or necessary to have referred to her as such in a lede. Owen (talk) 15:33, 7 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]

September 6[edit]

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(Posted) Jocelyn Bell Burnell awarded the Special Breakthrough Prize in Fundamental Physics

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Article: Jocelyn Bell Burnell (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: Jocelyn Bell Burnell, who discovered the first radio pulsars in 1967 but was omitted from the related 1974 Nobel Prize in Physics, receives the Special Breakthrough Prize in Fundamental Physics. (Post)
News source(s): WPost
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Nominator's comments: Significant news in science. Pine 06:37, 9 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]

  • Agreed. @Brandmeister: please review your statement, which appears to have been made hastily and in error. --Pine 16:51, 9 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]
  • Ok, the main article confirms it was for the discovery of pulsars. I'm neutral on this at the moment. Brandmeistertalk 19:10, 9 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]
  • I think the rationales provided below by Masem and GreatCaesarsGhost are well-stated. It's unfortunate that this was posted. Lepricavark (talk) 04:47, 11 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]
  • @Masem: I can understand the concern here (much more than I understand the two Oppose !votes above) because if a random billionaire created a new science prize with a large monetary award, I'm not sure that I would consider the first such award given to be notable either. However, given the non-trivial coverage that the Breakthrough Prize in Fundamental Physics has received over the years (admittedly much less than the coverage of the Nobel prizes), I think that on balance the award has crossed the ITN notability threshold, especially in this case where Bell Burnell's work was so significant for physics and there was noteworthy criticism that she was not included in the awarding of the Nobel. --Pine 17:21, 9 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]
  • It would be helpful to be clear about what Muboshgu points out below, there's more coverage of this for Burnell's prize due to the Nobel snub, so as long as that's reasonable covered somewhere I would concur on posting of this. I don't know if there's a way to make the blurb focus on that, it probably depends on what is written regarding the Nobel situation to start. --Masem (t) 18:19, 9 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]
  • @Masem: that sounds reasonable. I edited the wording of the blurb. What do you think? --Pine 18:44, 9 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]
  • GreatCaesarsGhost: this is no more a human interest story than the Nobel prize awards are human interest stories. I think that the accusation that "The nom is attempting to "run an end around" of ITN criteria by tying to a recent award" assumes bad faith. And the consideration of whether the "award itself is not significant enough to post here" is something that should be discussed on the basis of the current merits and context, not on whether something has never been done before; if we didn't do things that we'd never done before, then (among other things) Wikipedia would never have been started. Please reconsider your position. --Pine 18:47, 10 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]
  • I'm assuming bad faith, but you attack every editor that would deign to express an opinion different than your own? I have heard the story of this scientist no less than 12 times this week. Every one, without fail, spends 5 seconds on the substantive merits of her accomplishments, 5 seconds on this ig-Nobel award, and five minutes on the poor hard-working woman snubbed by the boys club. I get it, it's a juicy story. But it's sap, and it has no place here. ghost 21:51, 10 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]
WP:CIVIL please. Adûnâi posted his frank reaction to the item. There is no need to attack him for it. Richard-of-Earth (talk) 19:58, 12 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]
I agree. The community makes an assumption that this is more relevant because it relates to a woman being shunned, yet an commentator who doesn't experience such things is curious as to why this is even considered notable. No need to claim the post is "stupid" or motivate people to sock. The Rambling Man (talk) 20:02, 12 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]

(Closed) RD: Diane Leather

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Article: Diane Leather (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): https://www.runnersworld.co.uk/a-pioneer-of-womens-running-and-the-first-female-to-run-a-sub-five-minute-mile-diane-leather-has-died
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Nominator's comments: Fully sourced to secondary sources MurielMary (talk) 09:37, 8 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]
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(Posted) RD: Liz Fraser

Article: Liz Fraser (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Hollywood Reporter
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Nominator's comments: British actress. Article looks fine and nicely sourced except for one "citation needed" tag. FoxyGrampa75 (talk) 00:20, 8 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) RD: Richard DeVos

Article: Richard DeVos (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): NBA
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Article updated
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Nominator's comments: Billionaire, owner of Orlando Magic –Ammarpad (talk) 08:00, 7 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) RD: Alan Oakman

Article: Alan Oakman (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
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Article updated
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Nominator's comments: English cricketer, I have tidied up the article a little. Seems OK, if a little on the short side - Dumelow (talk) 07:18, 7 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) RD: Burt Reynolds

Article: Burt Reynolds (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Hollywood Reporter
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Article needs updating
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 StrikerforceTalk 19:00, 6 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]

@Capitalistroadster: I have added sources where I could find them and removed the entries I didn't find any WP:RELIABLE sources for. TompaDompa (talk) 21:05, 6 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) Decriminalization of homosexuality in India

Articles: Navtej Singh Johar v. Union of India (talk · history · tag) and Section 377 of the Indian Penal Code (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ In a historic verdict, India's Supreme Court ruled that gay sex is no longer a criminal offence in the country. (Post)
Alternative blurb: ​ The Supreme Court of India decriminalises sexual acts between consenting adults in private, including homosexual acts.
Alternative blurb II: ​ The Supreme Court of India strikes down portions of the colonial-era Section 377, thereby decriminalizing consensual gay sex.
Alternative blurb III: ​ The Supreme Court of India strikes down portions of the colonial-era Section 377, decriminalizing gay and other consensual sex acts.
Alternative blurb IV: ​ In a landmark judgement, the Supreme Court of India strikes down portions of the colonial-era Section 377, making all consensual sexual acts legal.
News source(s): BBC
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Nominator's comments: Overturns a 2013 judgement that upheld a colonial-era law in the world's second highest population. Sherenk1 (talk) 06:55, 6 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]

  • Notes: I added three more blurbs to emphasize the decolonization aspect of this and many advocates across India and beyond are emphasizing this, too. Potentially we could link to LGBT rights in India, Section 377 of the Indian Penal Code and/or the one on the ruling as it is already linked. The articles aren't ready yet. I changed the heading from "Recognition of same-sex unions in India" to "Decriminalization of homosexuality in India" as I don't think this involves relationship recognition, though I could be wrong. Note: This is my first time tinkering with a blurb for ITNR, so there may be procedures or customs that I am not fully aware of, but I really wanted to contribute on this one as it is important to mention that it was a colonial-era law imposed by the British. Thanks, -TenorTwelve (talk) 07:23, 6 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]
  • Persecution isn't something that is stopped by a singular event, but this ruling is major. You can argue the same for literally any country - it's not like the US or Australian govts were actively hunting homosexuals before. Juxlos (talk) 11:54, 6 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]
  • You seem to be suggesting this India's Lawrence v. Texas; in that case I'm an Oppose. In that case, enforcement had substantially subsided by the time of the ruling and it was largely (not entirely) symbolically. It was not posted, but then in predated ITN. In citing US and Australia, I think you're conflating this with gay marriage, the legalization of which impacted 100% of the LGBT community in the US. Obergefell himself was legally married, but was impacted by a regional prohibition on gay marriage. ghost 12:21, 6 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]
  • The ruling isn’t simply symbolic, the Indian Supreme Court also made discrimination against homosexuals in any field illegal.[20] Extrajudicial policing, if any, would be considered a criminal act. 2.51.21.106 (talk) 12:48, 6 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]
  • The entire text of the judgement, present here, does mention this. 2.51.21.106 (talk) 12:51, 6 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]
    • A scan of the conclusions sections (where the actual, actionable elements appear to be) show no concrete statement by the court that legally requires India to not discriminate on sexual orientation (but like with other case law decisions, will make challenging perceived discriminatoin easier since the Court said it should not happen). --Masem (t) 13:37, 6 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]
  • How exactly do "landmark" and "strike down" suggest this is a "good thing"? (which, IMHO it is and those who think otherwise are being homophobic) Landmark is used to denote an important decision, whether it is "good" or "bad" isn't the concern. Strike down simply denotes that these parts were removed. In no way does it violate NPOV. Also, w.r.t. to ASF23 concerns, how does this blurb sound: "In a landmark judgement, the Supreme Court of India strikes down parts of the colonial-era Section 377 which criminalize same-sex unions." How does that sound? 2.51.21.106 (talk) 16:04, 6 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]
  • Parts would be wrong. Section 377 is still a part of the IPC, the difference being all consensual sexual acts between adults is not under its purview. --QEDK () 16:09, 6 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]
  • Landmark implies a win or a chanige in the correct direction. That is not for us to decide. It also shows bias towards the Cause in question. You wouldn't for example have a Landmark Defeat but you would have a Landmark Victory. It seems as though strikes down is a legal term i wasnt aware of so would retract that part but landmark should go. I also question the usefullness of mentioning the colonial erai question its relivence to the event. Fremanofkol (talk) 09:25, 7 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]
How about “in a historic judgement”? History can be good or bad depending on the context, and this sentence can be sourced to the BBC article. Mentioning colonial-era would convey that the Article in question wasn’t written by the makers of the Indian Consitution (who wanted to create a democracy with equal rights for everyone), but by the British power, which had set similar laws in all their colonies. Certainly relevant to the event since it isn’t an overturn of a decision taken in independent India.
We are not the writers of History so we dont decide what is and is not historic. And Indias colonial past is not part of the current event. We dont typically post the history to an event in the title so why do it for this. Why do we need to add additional qualifiers, isnt it enough to simply state the factthat they have decriminalised homsexual acts in provate .Fremanofkol (talk) 11:50, 7 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]
I'd give you 'landmark', but 'strike down' is just the ordinary English phrase used when a court annuls a statute for conflict with a constitution or other basic law. Other languages use similar metaphors; in French they're cassé, literally 'broken'. Smerdis of Tlön - killing the human spirit since 2003! 03:47, 7 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]
  • Is it possible to put three articles in a blurb? I'm still new to this.-TenorTwelve (talk) 16:17, 6 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]
  • Three articles can be linked in a blurb, but only one can be bolded,:the article whose topic is the reason the subject is in the news. 2.51.21.106 (talk) 16:23, 6 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Our lead currently says "in so far as it criminalises consensual sexual conduct between adults of the same sex". Either "of the same sex" must be removed or your proposed blurb is wrong (and even if correct it should seemingly say consensual adult sex acts).Tlhslobus (talk) 16:25, 6 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]
And I suspect, perhaps mistakenly, that they have not unbanned complex matters such as all degrees of consensual adult sado-masochism, etc, as would seem to be implied by the proposed new blurb.Tlhslobus (talk) 16:35, 6 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Item 1 of the conclusion of the judgment seems to support the proposed blurb, and thus also to require a correction to the lead of our article, and perhaps other parts of it as well (tho the judgment is a primary source, so it might help to have secondary sources also saying this - for instance in relation to 'consensual' sado-masochism, there might be questions over competence to consent, and/or whether consent was genuine, and/or whether it was a sexual act, etc):
21. CONCLUSION
i. In view of the aforesaid findings, it is declared that insofar as Section 377 criminalises consensual sexual acts of adults (i.e. persons above the age of 18 years who are competent to consent) in private, is violative of Articles 14, 15, 19, and 21 of the Constitution. It is, however, clarified that such consent must be free consent, which is completely voluntary in nature, and devoid of any duress or coercion. Tlhslobus (talk) 17:07, 6 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Also 'homosexuality' was not a criminal offence ((male?) homosexual acts were, but that's not the same thing).Tlhslobus (talk) 17:13, 6 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]
  • There are many countries in the world where homosexuality is illegal ...and many others where it is legal; in some cases for a generation. What possible rationale could we have for posting one in the middle? Methinks it is because this is an Anglophone country, and that reeks of editor-bias. ghost 23:49, 6 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]
  • I agree. India is as Anglophone as much as Vegemite is edible food. --QEDK () 03:39, 7 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]
  • It sure is. 125 MM English speakers (2nd only to the US), or 12% of the population. 92% of WP pageviews from India are in English. [21]. Your semantic distractions aside, the point is that editors are prone to bias in favor of their home countries, and India is the home of a large portion of our editors, a great many of whom only come around these parts to support Indian stories. ghost 14:48, 7 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]
  • You cannot count the absolute numbers, or you'd have to conclude that countries like Liechtenstein are no-language countries. As you can see from the linked article, Hindi is the dominant language in India, spoken by 53.60% of the population. English is at 12.18%. To call India an anglophone country is intellectually dishonest. Banedon (talk) 01:35, 8 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Chill. There is no rush.--- Coffeeandcrumbs 04:01, 7 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]

@Coffee The only reason India is evolving is specifically because it is Hindu majority. At least give us some credit. Manish2542 (talk) 22:07, 7 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]

We hold and declare that:
(i) Section 377 of the Penal Code, in so far as it criminalises consensual sexual conduct between adults of the same sex, is unconstitutional;
(ii) Members of the LGBT community are entitled, as all other citizens, to the full range of constitutional rights including the liberties protected by the Constitution;
(iii) The choice of whom to partner, the ability to find fulfilment in sexual intimacies and the right not to be subjected to discriminatory behaviour are intrinsic to the constitutional protection of sexual orientation;
(iv) Members of the LGBT community are entitled to the benefit of an equal citizenship, without discrimination, and to the equal protection of law; and
(v) The decision in Koushal stands overruled
Yes, this is a big landmark decision, (not just because of India's huge population lol) but I will still have to oppose the ITN.DiplomatTesterMan (talk) 04:15, 7 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Note: Things in the article Section 377 of the Indian Penal Code like the way the heading is worded "Eminent Personalities Case" (???) or phrases such as "In a surprising move" and "The court seemed sympathetic" seem vauge and need to be rephrased. (Yes i could do it but that isn't the point here). DiplomatTesterMan (talk) 04:15, 7 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Support Articles are more sorted now. DiplomatTesterMan (talk) 15:54, 7 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]
  • I would support with this Blurb but none of those listed in descrption it is accurate and doesnt vilate NPOVFremanofkol (talk) 11:50, 7 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Support @Tone I'm just concerned about the phrasing, it isn't correct. "The Supreme Court of India strikes down portions of the colonial-era Section 377, making all private consensual sexual of adults acts legal." should be replaced by "The Supreme Court of India strikes down portions of the colonial-era Section 377, making all private consensual sexual acts between adults legal." Manish2542 (talk) 22:14, 7 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]

"The Supreme Court of India [[Navtej Singh Johar v. Union of India|strikes down portions of the colonial-era Section 377, making all private consensual sexual acts between adults legal, including homosexuality. I think this is important because ultimately this made the news because homosexuality was legalized. I suggest the link LGBT rights in India attached to the word homosexuality. In case folks are wondering, LGBT rights in India is ready to post with it. -TenorTwelve (talk) 23:14, 7 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]

  • Support this rewording request by TenorTwelve. The key focus of the reporting is homosexual sex and it should be reflected. An alternative, though, is using ... between adults legal, including such homosexual acts. starship.paint ~ KO 00:49, 8 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]
  • I think the word homosexuality is okay, but I think we should avoid the words "homosexual acts" and "homosexual" as the word "homosexual" is going out of use and "homosexual acts" reduces LGBT people to a sex act. -TenorTwelve (talk) 02:14, 8 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]
  • On the contrary, it is "homosexual acts" which is OK, since it is correct, while "homosexuality" is unacceptable, being incorrect (homosexuality was not illegal and thus has not been legalized, it's homosexual acts that were illegal and are now legal) and also it is the suggested wording "making all private consensual sexual acts between adults legal, including homosexuality" that would reduce homosexuality (and thus arguably also lesbian, gay and bisexual people) to a sex act (homosexuality is an orientation, not an act). So I support Starship.paint's suggested word change, if necessary omitting any mention of section 377 if that is needed to make more space for homosexual acts, especially as no specific portion of section 377 has been struck down (see discussion below, and also altblurb1 above) Tlhslobus (talk) 04:10, 8 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]
  • There is no mention of homosexual sex, nor of it being natural or unnatural, in the judgment's conclusion, which merely says that anything in section 377 that bans consensual adult sex acts in private violates 4 Articles of India's Constitution. But you seem to be right that it doesn't strike down any specific portion of Section 377, and omitting Section 377 from our blurb (as in, for example, altblurb1 above) would thus probably make it more accurate and shorter (thus leaving more room to explicitly mention homosexual acts).
21. CONCLUSION
i. In view of the aforesaid findings, it is declared that insofar as Section 377 criminalises consensual sexual acts of adults (i.e. persons above the age of 18 years who are competent to consent) in private, is violative of Articles 14, 15, 19, and 21 of the Constitution. It is, however, clarified that such consent must be free consent, which is completely voluntary in nature, and devoid of any duress or coercion. Tlhslobus (talk) 04:10, 8 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]
6,000 words. Sca (talk) 13:51, 8 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) 2018 Iburi earthquake

Article: 2018 Iburi earthquake (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ The Iburi earthquake is the largest to have impacted Japan so far this year. The earthquake disrupted electrical service throughout Hokkaido, leaving 5.3 million residents without power. Reports state that at least nine people died as a result. (Post)
Alternative blurb: ​ An earthquake in the Iburi Subprefecture of Japan results in at least nine deaths.
News source(s): BBC
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September 5[edit]

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(Posted) RD: Erik Hauri

Article: Erik Hauri (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Carnegie Science
Credits:

Article updated
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 Count Iblis (talk) 21:41, 5 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]

(Closed) Russian involvement in Salisbury poisonings

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Article: Poisoning of Sergei and Yulia Skripal (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ The United Kingdom names and charges two Russian intelligence agents with multiple crimes, including the attempted murder of Sergei Skripal, Yulia Skripal, and detective Nick Bailey. (Post)
Alternative blurb: ​ The British government names and provides evidence on two Russian intelligence agents, charging them in absentia with multiple crimes, including the attempted murder of Sergei Skripal, Yulia Skripal, and detective Nick Bailey.
Alternative blurb II: ​ The British Minister of Security, Ben Wallace, asserts that Russian President Vladimir Putin is ultimately responsible for the Poisoning of Sergei and Yulia Skripal and 2018 Amesbury poisonings, in which British citizens were harmed and one died.
News source(s): BBC The Daily Telegraph AP BBC
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Article updated
Nominator's comments: Unlikely they'll be brought to justice, but they have at least had formal charges placed on them. Kingsif (talk) 18:11, 5 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]
  • I thought ITN wasn't a news ticker and that we don't necessarily follow the biggest headlines. I also thought you already knew that. Or am I missing something? Fitzcarmalan (talk) 09:04, 6 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]
  • Agree. Suspects are usually arrested or in custody before being charged. But the press seems to think otherwise. The England and Wales section at Indictment is hardly very clear. Martinevans123 (talk) 20:09, 5 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]
  • Although Assistant Commissioner Neil Basu, in his statement does say: "As you have heard, today’s charges relate to the first incident involving the Skripals and Nick Bailey. We continue to liaise with the Crown Prosecution Service regarding the poisoning of Dawn and Charlie." Martinevans123 (talk) 07:42, 7 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]
As a "fun" note, Theresa May did say that it was very likely the order came from high up the chain of command in the Russian State. All but naming Putin, because she has a brain. Kingsif (talk) 22:55, 5 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Yes, she said: "So this was not a rogue operation. It was almost certainly also approved outside the GRU at a senior level of the Russian state." But not "at the most senior level". Martinevans123 (talk) 07:54, 7 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Is it a BLPCRIME vio? They may not be WP:WELLKNOWN but the incident certainly is, and the authorities in the UK aren't exactly known for making false accusations. --LaserLegs (talk) 21:56, 5 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]
"...the authorities in the UK aren't exactly known for making false accusations" These are politicians, not authorities. HiLo48 (talk) 22:16, 6 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]
The prospect of any conviction seems somewhat remote? But I'm not sure if this is a factor that weighs more on either side of the discussion here. Martinevans123 (talk) 22:03, 5 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]
  • The most neutral news agency we have is the BBC, which played video footage of the charged men during the time of the offence. From your previous issues with Wikipedia administration and what you perceive as "POV pushing", you'll disagree, but it's quite clear to most people that there is no reason to not believe the UK government. Not to mention "I think it's propaganda" isn't a good reason to oppose (no judgement). Kingsif (talk) 23:35, 5 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]
  • It's the actions of a right wing government we're seeing here. Nothing Theresa May does can prova anything about the guilt of people. HiLo48 (talk) 22:14, 6 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Personal squabbling.
  • I am genuinely not sure if you are just delusional or a russian bot. Either way, I've warned you for this comment and spreading russian propaganda on wikipedia further will likely result in a quick and permanent ban. Take care. Openlydialectic (talk) 23:48, 5 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]
  • Wow. I now see attempts to silence someone with a contrasting view. Not a good look guys. Are you really all happy with F*ck Putin"? I suppose it's offence on the accepted side, so must be OK. (And they say Wikipedia isn't censored. Hah.) HiLo48 (talk) 23:53, 5 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]
  • My intention was not "to silence someone with a contrasting view". However, a personal opinion on a news article, especially when proven false, is not something that is accepted as a reason (either for support or oppose). Hope that clears it up. I know you strive for neutrality, as do I, but calling one government placing charges on people "anti-Russian propaganda" is a stretch at least. Kingsif (talk) 23:59, 5 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]
  • This is par for the course for HiLo. He made a controversial comment that explicitly assumed others were acting in bad faith. When challenged, he tried to portray himself as a victim by claiming that others are trying to silence him. Classic battleground behavior. Don't worry, nobody else believes you were trying to silence him. Lepricavark (talk) 01:36, 6 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]
  • So striking out my comment and being threatened with being blocked was not a form of silencing? OK. I'll try hard to understand that. It's revealing how making a comment that challenges the right wing, western world official view leads to a lot of people wanting to talk about me, rather than what I wrote. It's just like blaming evil foreigners for all one's local problems, I guess. HiLo48 (talk) 06:33, 6 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]
  • Striking out is used when votes for support/oppose have faulty reasoning, so that they aren't counted. Nothing more, nothing less. Kingsif (talk) 11:13, 6 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]
On that basis, an awful lot of content here would be routinely struck out. HiLo48 (talk) 22:11, 6 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]
  • As a few people have said they oppose per Masem, I'd like to discuss the three reasons Masem gives: 1. "we generally don't post unless convicted". It's obvious that the actual chance of conviction happening is very unlikely, so that should be weighted, not to mention this could well be notable enough to be one of the exceptions. 2. "they've only been named, not charged". They have been charged. 3. "if this was more a direction assertion like if the UK were directly pointing to Putin saying he gave the orders directly, that might be different". As my comment said above, the UK are pointing at Putin, but in a way that won't get them poisoned tomorrow. (Please respond with discussion) Kingsif (talk) 00:17, 6 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]
If they have been charged, that should be in any blurb, e.g. "... charged with attempted murder"? Martinevans123 (talk) 11:14, 6 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]
  • I was only opposing per Masem's first point: if the conviction doesn't happen then we shouldn't post. For example we have news such as Navalny says he will sue Putin, which everyone would agree is very unlikely to succeed, which doesn't mean it's postable. Being charged is irrelevant; it's being convicted that matters, see e.g. this, we didn't post it either. Banedon (talk) 00:33, 6 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]
  • I do consider the issue here, that with the two named individuals having disappeared meaning there's likely never going to be any arrest or trial and thus no conviction. So the question is, will this have any impact, and so far the answer seems to be no - I'm not seeing massive politic unrest yet. Also, their ties with the current Russian gov't remain iffy, so we have yet to have the evidence they were acting on orders or alone. Basically, this a huge point of speculation and not a hard milestone we can use for ITN. --Masem (t) 00:42, 6 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]
  • You have a good point about not knowing the kind of impact this will have, because it did just happened (which is why it's in the news at the moment). Also, Theresa May said that they can trace the chain of command, so it's not completely speculation. Six months of investigations and being the UK infers there wouldn't be charges unless they were at least 99.9% sure of everything. Kingsif (talk) 00:46, 6 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]
  • If they can trace the chain of command, then likely if they cannot capture these two, I can see a potential of UK formally asserting that Russia ordered the assassination attempt (if that's where it proves out). At which point, that might be news. But even with that, consider the overall picture here: no one actually died, and we're talking about what appears to be a targetted poisoning of a double agent by supposedly a Russian agency. It's rather an icky situation if that's all true, but it's not a major political scandal that I can see (but that could be proven wrong), so even closure on the matter may not be necessary. --Masem (t) 00:57, 6 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]
  • Obviously a good point about being contentious, but you’re forgetting that a British citizen did die. And, now updated, the British are now directly blaming Putin, which has also been reported by the BBC. Kingsif (talk) 11:15, 6 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]
    But again, this is not new. They blamed Russia all along, hence the expelling of the diplomats. There is no denying this is a story of today making a few headlines in the papers, but we're not a news ticker. This story will have many twists and turns, but until something of lasting significance occurs, e.g. a conviction, we don't need to keep on re-posting. — Amakuru (talk) 13:33, 6 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]
  • Then it’s a good thing we’re not posting rolling updates, like the Kremlin telling the UK to "go to hell". If we take this separately to all the past updates, would the U.K. mounting such accusations be worthy of feature on ITN? I’m inclined to say that it would. Kingsif (talk) 14:38, 6 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]
  • Which ones? And are they explicitly blaming Putin for it, or are they quoting non-senior British officials who are? Because there's a huge difference between these two, which most Wikipedians seem to overlook most of the time. Fitzcarmalan (talk) 11:36, 6 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]


To clarify, yes, the blurb shouldn't say "responsible", but the BBC have certainly pointed the finger at Putin and said "guilt by association, m'lud". Ritchie333 (talk) (cont) 11:38, 6 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]
I have added the word "ultimately", which is the term Wallace used in the full statement, to clarify this. Kingsif (talk) 11:49, 6 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]
The BBC claiming it is not the same thing as the government formally stating it. Let's avoid the hyperbole here. --Masem (t) 11:53, 6 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]
You're suggesting that the BBC just claims that Ben Wallace said this (live on BBC Radio 4's Today programme)? Martinevans123 (talk) 12:34, 6 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]
No, I'm saying, to what Ritchie suggests , that because the BBC has pointed blame, then we should accept that. The BBC isn't the organization here that can made any credibly claim on the guilt. --Masem (t) 19:28, 6 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Well, ok. I'm not sure the BBC have pointed anything. Whether or not Wallace speaks for the government is another question. Conveniently, of course, should there be unexpected consequences to May's careful announcement, the Minister of State for Security and Economic Crime could be expendable. Martinevans123 (talk) 20:30, 6 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]
  • My "we" was in reference to WP, not HM government. Why would you think I speak for them? ghost 17:43, 6 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]
  • That's a very reasonable argument. Although I think the Metropolitan Police would argue that they had amassed quite a lot of facts, not least the timed series of CCTV images of the two suspects, which has been made public. Russia's presentation of any "contradictory facts" has, so far, been somewhat lacking. Martinevans123 (talk) 13:45, 7 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]
→ Votes running against posting. Getting stale. Sca (talk) 15:14, 8 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]
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(Closed) RD: Bhagwatikumar Sharma

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Article: Bhagwatikumar Sharma (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): BS, DeshGujarat
Credits:

Article updated
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Nominator's comments: Sharma has received some top literary awards of India including Sahitya Akademi Award and Ranjitram Suvarna Chandrak. Article may need some copyediting for grammar. Nizil (talk) 13:01, 5 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]
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(Posted) RD: Rachael Bland

Article: Rachael Bland (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): BBC News
Credits:

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

 Inspirational woman and radio presenter. Was alive less time than I have been, which makes me rather sad. What more can one say? Ritchie333 (talk) (cont) 10:35, 5 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]

I've destubbed it this morning, and with obituaries coming out today, it should be expanded more. Ritchie333 (talk) (cont) 11:26, 5 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]
I see. It even looks better now. –Ammarpad (talk) 14:39, 5 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]
It's over 1,5002,700 characters - not a stub. Ritchie333 (talk) (cont) 14:44, 5 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]
→ The text itself is 435 words. Sca (talk) 15:10, 5 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]
It's 529 last time I looked. Ritchie333 (talk) (cont) 15:21, 5 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]
You must be counting footnotes and other things on the page. Sca (talk) 15:28, 5 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]
.... or just expanding the article ;-) Ritchie333 (talk) (cont) 15:29, 5 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Have another look :-) Ritchie333 (talk) (cont) 15:07, 5 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) Typhoon Jebi (2018)

Article: Typhoon Jebi (2018) (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: Typhoon Jebi has left a trail of destruction across the west of Japan, killing at least 9 people. (Post)
News source(s): BBC
Credits:

Article updated

Nominator's comments: Worst storm to hit Japan in 25 years. Sherenk1 (talk) 05:04, 5 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]

September 4[edit]

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Science and technology
  • A Microsoft Azure datacenter in Texas goes down due to a cooling system failure. Outages in cloud services were reported worldwide (Zdnet)

(Closed) RD: Bill Daily

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Article: Bill Daily (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): CNN
Credits:

Article needs updating
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.
Nominator's comments: Actor, died on the 4th but death was only announced recently. –Nonstopmaximum (talk) 05:42, 9 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]
If it was not reported until now, it isn't considered stale. 331dot (talk) 10:52, 9 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]
OK, it didn't click at first that the 4th was still within the last week. Time flies.... Moving to the 4th. 331dot (talk) 10:54, 9 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]
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(Closed) Danish FA

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Article: Denmark national football team (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ Owing to a dispute with the players, the Danish football team names an entirely uncapped squad consisting of third and fourth tier players, in addition to futsal players, for their opening UEFA Nations League game. (Post)
News source(s): BBC The Guardian Irish Times
Credits:

Article updated
Nominator's comments: Let me preface this by saying that this nomination is a longshot with multiple caveats. The blurb I have proposed is likely unworkable due to its unwieldy nature. There will be opposition to posting another football story. This, depending on how the story develops, may be more suited to DYK a ways down the road. However, it is absolutely in the news, and the target article has been thoroughly updated. So consider this a call for opinion, and feel free to snow close if consensus deems this of minimal importance. - So why is this in the news? Because, at present, Denmark, the eighth best team in the world according to FIFA World Rankings will put out a team of completely unknown players, including those from a disparate code, in a competitive game. Hence, it is heavily in the news in relation to the back page, and while not the most significant thing ever, is of some importance. But again, it is a longshot that even I might not fully back, so close without prejudice if needs be. Stormy clouds (talk) 20:28, 4 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]
@LaserLegs: - sorry. I wrote this section today, which incorporates the nominated material. The blurb also concerns the squad, which is here. - Stormy clouds (talk) 20:42, 4 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Thank you. --LaserLegs (talk) 23:33, 4 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Weak Oppose Using Googles "region and language setting" feature, I did see this story in ZA and IE region, but not near the top (no mention in the US). The article itself is iffy, with several paragraphs missing refs, and I don't think the update itself covers the background in the players dispute to be comprehensive. That said, the story is interesting (I had no idea futsal was a thing) and a major FIFA national team having to cobble this squad together at the last minute for their first matches of a new tournament is unusual. I think this is DYK material, which IIRC has amended it's criteria to include "recently updated" articles. DYK is apparently a bog though. Thanks for the good faith nom, even if it never makes the main page, I learned something today (which is one reason I stalk ITN/C). --LaserLegs (talk) 23:33, 4 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]
@Muboshgu: - is it eligible for DYK? The article is not new, having begun in 2004. Stormy clouds (talk) 21:04, 4 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]
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(Closed) 2018 Kolkata bridge collapse

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Article: 2018 Kolkata bridge collapse (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ A bridge collapses in a south Kolkata neighborhood, killing one and injuring more than 25 others. (Post)
News source(s): ReutersAl Jazeera (other refs in article as well)
Credits:
Nominator's comments: I'm actively working on it as more of the situation develops. There had been another of these few years back and this seems to be one of a pattern of collapses in the city. QEDK () 20:05, 4 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]
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(Posted) RD: Marijan Beneš

Article: Marijan Beneš (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
Credits:

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Serbian boxer, article in reasonable shape. Some bare urls in the refs, I will look to sort them out - Dumelow (talk) 15:55, 4 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) Pakistani Presidential elections

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Article: Pakistani presidential election, 2018 (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: Arif Alvi (pictured) has been elected as 13th President of Pakistan. (Post)
Credits:

The nominated event is listed on WP:ITN/R, so each occurrence is presumed to be important enough to post. Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article and update meet WP:ITNCRIT, not the significance.

Nominator's comments: Change of Head of State is ITNR. Moreover the aritcle also looks good. Amir (talk) 12:49, 4 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]

I find it interesting that you usually argue that almost every nomination here should be posted because it is in the news, but not this one. 331dot (talk) 11:06, 5 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]
I find your observations of me as an individual to be irrelevant, and ask that in the future you'd focus on the discussion and specific points I've made. --LaserLegs (talk) 12:27, 5 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]
I wasn't commenting on you as an individual, you are free to comment on what you wish (largely) however you wish. I was mostly curious as to why you don't think this should be posted when you think almost everything else should be posted, but you are free to ignore my observations. 331dot (talk) 13:49, 5 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Lepricavark Queen Elizabeth II is a figurehead (of several countries). 331dot (talk) 11:02, 5 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]
It's fairly obvious that Queen Elizabeth II is far more influential than this gentlemen. Lepricavark (talk) 14:16, 5 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]
This nomination is about the election, not what the winner will or will not do- just as the succession of a new British monarch is about the event itself. 331dot (talk) 14:32, 5 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]
If the Pakistani president is less influential than the British monarch, it stands to reason that the Pakistani election is less important than the British coronation. Lepricavark (talk) 14:50, 5 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]
  • We shouldn't be afraid to have potential readers easily find this subject if they are looking for it or if they might be interested in it and come across it. A strange choice of words. I don't think fear is a factor in this discussion. Lepricavark (talk) 14:16, 5 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]
@QEDK: You are free to to visit the ITNR talk page and suggest for removal any item that you feel "no one really cares about", as well as to participate in the discussion to change the head of state ITNR listing. Elizabeth II is a figurehead but we all know her passing will be posted. 331dot (talk) 11:09, 5 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Might as time comes, but no exact timeframe yet. But as for an idea on my position, read LaserLegs' reply above. --QEDK () 11:16, 5 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Of course we'll post her passing, the question is, will we post 50+ blurbs, one for every single state in which Charles will become "Head of State" or will we use common sense and not clutter the box with the meaningless appointments of silly figureheads? Hard to say. --LaserLegs (talk) 11:24, 5 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]
It isn't difficult at all to say that Charles becomes head of state of most Commonwealth countries, but that is for another time. 331dot (talk) 11:34, 5 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]
"Another time"? You're the one who brought the future passing of Elizabeth II into this thread. It's a simple question: when she passes, should we post 50+ blurbs, 1 each for every nation in which her successor is now head of state? --LaserLegs (talk) 11:43, 5 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]
I answered your question; if you wish to debate a blurb for an event which is likely some time off, you know where to find me. 331dot (talk) 12:10, 5 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Nope, you deflected, twice, after bringing "an event which is likely some time off" into this thread in the first place. That's ok, we all know that no, ITN won't blindly follow the letter of ITN/R and post 50+ blurbs for the change of heads of state of every commonwealth country; we'll use common sense, just like we should do now and not post the election of a meaningless figurehead. --LaserLegs (talk) 12:27, 5 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]
I didn't think I had to spell it out for you, but the blurb I was trying to suggest was "Upon the death of Elizabeth II, Charles III becomes head of state of several Commonwealth countries". See, it's not hard at all. 331dot (talk) 13:41, 5 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Hrmmm, reading through WP:ITNR I see heads of state for countries, but not the commonwealth as a whole. You're saying you'd WP:IAR in this case (which you introduced) and do what makes sense, instead of following the letter of WP:ITNR precisely and posting 50 blurbs, one for each country? --LaserLegs (talk) 15:55, 5 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]
It doesn't make sense and is not beneficial to readers to ignore the choosing of the head of state of a highly populated country(sixth most, I think). IAR needs to benefit the project, and I don't feel it does here. It doesn't make sense to post (as you say) "50 blurbs" when one will do. That is not IAR, that is combining 50 separate blurbs that all would qualify on their own. I have no further comment on this line of discussion. 331dot (talk) 16:25, 5 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]
  • That's actually the only section I can see that is not fully cited; I hardly think it's worth pulling the article over that.--Pawnkingthree (talk) 14:14, 7 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]

(Closed) RD: Jalaluddin Haqqani

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Article: Jalaluddin Haqqani (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): BBC
Credits:

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.
Nominator's comments: The founder of the Haqqani militant network. Some referencing issues. Sherenk1 (talk) 06:04, 4 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]
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September 3[edit]

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Disasters and accidents

Law and crime
  • Arrests of Wa Lone and Kyaw Soe Oo
    • Two Reuters journalists jailed in Myanmar are sentenced to seven years in prison for violating the Official Secrets Act, prompting international condemnation. The pair was investigating reports of mass graves at the village of Inn Din when they were arrested in Yangon for attempting to obtain classified documents, which they contend were used as bait to entrap them. (The Guardian)

(Posted) RD: Claire Wineland

Article: Claire Wineland (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): CNN
Credits:

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Article well sourced --TDKR Chicago 101 (talk) 23:02, 3 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) RD: Jacqueline Pearce

Article: Jacqueline Pearce (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): [23]
Credits:

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: British actress. Articles looks fine, though not too fine. FoxyGrampa75 (talk) 19:04, 3 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) RD: Gordon Phillips (footballer)

Article: Gordon Phillips (footballer) (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
Credits:

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Brentford FC footballer. Possibly a little work to do to the article, I will try to take a look at it - Dumelow (talk) 16:19, 3 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]

(Removed) 2018 Kerala floods

Article: 2018 Kerala floods (talk · history · tag)
Ongoing item removal (Post)

Nominator's comments: Posted as a blurb more than two weeks ago before being moved to ongoing. The event itself (the flood and rescue) has ended and efforts are now focused on what typically occurs after a disaster. The last substantial addition to the article was a PR exercise about fishermen reported 5 days ago. Prior to that reactions from various organisations were last added on the 23 August. Neither of which currently meets the purpose of blurb or ongoing. Fuebaey (talk) 14:19, 3 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) Sentencing of two Reuters journalists

Article: Inn_Din_massacre#Arrest_of_Reuters_journalists (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ A court in Myanmar sentences two Reuters journalists to seven years in prison for violating the state secrets act while investigating violence against the Rohingya minority. (Post)
News source(s): BBC, AP, Guardian
Credits:

Article needs updating

Nominator's comments: Sentenced now. Sherenk1 (talk) 07:15, 3 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]

This is a high-profile case in terms of newsworthiness. Coverage I saw Monday cited evidence that Wa Lone and Kyaw Soe Oo were framed by Myanmar police with planted documents. And the horrible Rohingya saga is of great significance from a human rights perspective – particularly given Aung San Suu Kyi's previous squeaky-clean reputation. Sca (talk) 15:45, 4 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]
I'm still neutral, but this has little or nothing to do with WP:RGW, which is entirely about not putting stuff into Wikipedia which is not supported by reliable sources, and nobody is trying to do that here. (Any other interpretation of RGW would seemingly make little sense, if only because everything in Wikipedia is supposedly there as part of an attempt to reduce ignorance and could thus be challenged on the basis that it is an attempt to right the great wrong of keeping people in ignorance (as has arguably sometimes successfully happened here in the past.)) Tlhslobus (talk) 12:15, 4 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]
See my above comment re WP:RGW being irrelevant here.Tlhslobus (talk) 12:15, 4 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]
For the record, I opposed in part because this seems like a not particularly uncommon incident (though it is true that this one likely got more news attention than they usually do). The Right Great Wrongs guideline didn't affect my !vote at all. I simply thought about the purpose of ITN as listed on WP:ITN and think that this section does not emphasize Wikipedia as a dynamic resource (because it is only a section). ~Maplestrip/Mable (chat) 08:57, 5 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]
There is no such thing as "getting stale" - there is stale and not stale. All but one article currently posted is older. The only reason to close earlier is if the discussion is acrimonious AND going nowhere. ghost 14:50, 5 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Is that so? At a pub last week I had a sandwich on foccacia bread that was dry and getting stale, although it didn't taste spoiled.
In journalism a story that is more than three days old – or even two days old – is getting stale. (This, per Ben Franklin, also is true of fish and visitors.) – Sca (talk) 15:32, 6 September 2018 (UTC)
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September 2[edit]

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Disasters and accidents

International relations

Politics and elections

(Posted) RD: Conway Savage

Article: Conway Savage (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): The New Daily
Credits:

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Article well sourced --TDKR Chicago 101 (talk) 06:27, 3 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) National Museum of Brazil fire

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Article: National Museum of Brazil fire (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ A major fire destroys the National Museum of Brazil, one of the largest and oldest museums in the Americas. (Post)
News source(s): Reuters BBC UOL (in Portuguese)
Credits:

Nominator's comments: The article needs work, but it is (was) the most important museum in Brazil. José Luiz talk 02:43, 3 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]

 Done. José Luiz talk 03:55, 3 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]
I think it was completely destroyed. See some pictures of aftermath here. José Luiz talk 14:04, 3 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]
It does seem completely destroyed, also  Question: could it be mentioned that the firefighters were tasked with rescuing artefacts before/during putting the fire out (especially because it was deemed uncontrollable)? It's seems like an interesting fact, or should that be put on DYK? (1 2) Kingsif (talk) 15:52, 3 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]
If an article has been on the main page in ITN, it is no longer eligible for DYK per WP:DYKRULES #1d. Regards SoWhy 07:36, 4 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) 2018 All-Ireland Football Final

Article: 2018 All-Ireland Senior Football Championship Final (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ In Gaelic football, Dublin win the All-Ireland Senior Football Championship, defeating Tyrone in the final. (Post)
News source(s): RTÉ Irish Times BBC
Credits:

Article updated
The nominated event is listed on WP:ITN/R, so each occurrence is presumed to be important enough to post. Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article and update meet WP:ITNCRIT, not the significance.

Nominator's comments: ITN/R, but the article needs work, including a prose update, and sourcing. The article is now updated with a prose description of the game, and enhanced sourcing. Stormy clouds (talk) 21:44, 2 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]

@The Rambling Man: - I have done my best to write one. Is that passable? Stormy clouds (talk) 22:55, 2 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]
@Hrodvarsson: - issues outlined have been rectified. Stormy clouds (talk) 10:36, 3 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) RD: Ian Lariba

Article: Ian Lariba (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
Credits:

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Filipina Olympic table tennis player. Article is fully sourced, could perhaps use a little expansion but is probably sufficient for a career cut short by her death at 23 - Dumelow (talk) 19:44, 2 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) 2018 Asian Games closing

Articles: 2018 Asian Games (talk · history · tag) and 2018 Asian Games closing ceremony (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ The 2018 Asian Games in Jakarta and Palembang, Indonesia, close, with China leading the medal tally. (Post)
Alternative blurb: ​ The 2018 Asian Games close, with China leading the medal tally.
Credits:

First article updated, second needs updating

Nominator's comments: The closing ceremony article is very stub-y, so it definitely needs much work. Angga1061 (talk) 16:57, 2 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]

September 1[edit]

Armed conflicts and attacks

Arts and culture

Disasters and accidents

International relations

  1. ^ https://www.reuters.com/article/us-india-lgbt/activists-hope-indias-top-court-will-throw-out-ban-on-homosexuality-idUSKCN1LM0HY