7 Khoon Maaf

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Result: Kept. Clear consensus that that article is up to GA standards, and while minor issues remain, they fall outside the GA criteria. Adabow (talk) 00:59, 13 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]

The article has many problem. Few are listed below.

• Whats is the film's name? Is it Seven Khoon Maaf or Saat Khoon Maaf? Cant see it mentioned anywhere.
• Opening line is; "7 Khoon Maaf (Seven Murders Forgiven) is a 2011 Indian black comedy directed, co-written and co-produced by Vishal Bhardwaj (who also composed the film's music, with lyrics by Gulzar)". Why is lyricist's name required in first line? The whole page, in minimum ways, explains contribution of lyrist in the whole film. Why is then it so important to introduce him in the opening line?
• Next lines are; "The film is based on the short story "Susanna's Seven Husbands" by Ruskin Bond. After Bhardwaj saw the possibility of a script in the short story, he asked Bond about a film adaptation. Bond expanded his four-page short story into an 80-page novella, and then to a full-length script. The film centers on femme fatale Susanna Anna-Marie Johannes, an Anglo-Indian woman who murders her seven husbands in a quest for love. " Thats not required in lead. That much should be actually written in the below para of pre-production.
• Priyanka Chopra, who won multiple nominations for her work and was the main highlight of the film is mentioned after lyricist and the story of story forming.
• "However, earned a total of 33 crore(s) (US$6.0 million) for its box-office run and television-music-home-video rights against a budget of 15 crore(s) (US$2.7 million)." ---> Should be "However, it earned...."
• Best Playback – Female. Link it.
• Lead does not summarize "Marketing and release" section.
• Plot section is complicated. That could be because of the original plot itself. But it could still be simplified.
  • "she shoots "Modhuda"" Who is that?
  • "have a flaw which proves fatal." Proves fatal is kinda odd.
  • "she "dies"". Why is it in inverted commas? Does she not actually die?
• Use either "cameo" or "cameo appearance" in all places.
• The Blue Umbrella (film) should be linked somewhere.
• "Bharadwaj adapted Bond's short story". Firstly, spelling mistake and secondly, he is being mentioned after a long time. So use full name with a link.
• "Rekha Bhardwaj, who enjoys Bond's work". Couldn't find in reference that she enjoys Bond's work.
• The classic WP:QUOTEFARM issue.
  • "The four-page story had the material for 400 pages and a scope for the movie. I remember that I was intrigued by the title of the story. I told myself why would a woman have seven husbands and then I came to know that she also kills them! I was immediately hooked to it. It reminded me of a very old film, Bluebeard's Seven Wives"
  • "I had previously taken liberties with Shakespeare. Naturally, when you adapt a story, your vision also comes in it. But I have remained honest to its essence"
  • "The challenge was devising seven ingenious ways in which she could kill her husbands without being suspected. And she does it successfully, until towards the end"
  • "Priyanka was my original choice for the role. She is the finest actor of her generation right now. When I worked with her in 'Kaminey', I realised how under-utilised she is. She has so much talent in her. As a director I had so much trust on her that I felt that no one else can essay this role as brilliantly as she would do"
  • "It was a tough shoot as I am essaying a woman whose age ranges from 20-65. So, prosthetics had to play a heavy part but I’m happy that I pushed myself as the result is really fab. I had to be very careful of not doing things that would damage the make-up".
  • "Bharadwaj has composed a wonderful album that is not a clone of his previous work. It exudes freshness and is worth listening. However, the songs would not have achieved zenith without Gulzar's lovely lyrics. The team has done it again"
  • "7 Khoon Maaf is a good album with a couple of definite hits, couple of skip worthy ones and the remaining have the potential to grow. Since 7 Khoon Maaf is not a routine Bollywood affair, it can't be expecting a quick pick at the stands from Day One".
  • "Bhardwaj has certainly succeeded in adding new sounds to his catalogue. He continues to evade Bollywood monotony with this soundtrack[....]an innovative effort."
  • "duniya ki haar biwi ne kabhie na kabhie toh yeh zarur sochega, ki main apne pati se hamesha hamesha ke liye chutkara kaise paun" ("Every wife in the entire world must have once in her lifetime thought of how to get rid of her husband forever")
  • "For a filmmaker who has long established his hold over the craft, 7 Khoon Maaf is the only way forward — it pushes the envelope and takes you on a cinematic journey you may not experience in a Hindi film for a long time to come"
  • "Priyanka Chopra takes on a character that most of her contemporaries would shy away from and enacts it in a way that only she possibly can. For a woman with as many shades as Susanna, Chopra gets a crack at a role of a lifetime. And Bhardwaj ensures she sparkles like never before"
  • "Chalk up an absolute winner for the Vishal Bhardwaj-Priyanka Chopra team. They make a coherent vision out of an inconceivable marital crises."
  • "serious, sensitive and stirring", "a whole new cinematic experience" and praising Chopra's performance: "7 Khoon Maaf would undoubtedly end up as a milestone in Priyanka Chopra's career graph. The actor displays exquisite command over a complex character that is definitely a first in Indian cinema. She renders a subtle and restrained portrayal of a lonely and wronged woman who wanted love and only love from life"
  • "7 Khoon Maaf is a dark film that has its share of positives and negatives. However, the film will meet with diverse reactions – some will fancy it, while some will abhor it. The film will appeal more to the critics/columnists and the festival circuit"
  • "adventurous but over-indulgent", saying that Vishal Bhardwaj "traded economy for mainstream acceptance". However, Gupta praised the film's cinematography and its unexpected ending: "Discovering Susanna’s seventh husband [is] a killer twist in the end"
  • "the film stumbles and fumbles. The episodic nature of the narrative makes the plot predictable."
  • "'7 Khoon Maaf' has worked well for us commercially due to a combination of tight production budgeting, optimised spending on prints and publicity and a pre-sales strategy that helped us to de-risk the film via sales of home video, music, satellite and theatrical rights even before the release"

• "In January 2010, Mohanlal was cast" This is the first time when dates are being mentioned. When did other all things before this happen?
• "during her seven marriages, prosthetic makeup was used" Whats that? Prosthetic makeup was used during marriages?
• "Director Vishal Bhardwaj hired Hollywood special makeup effects artist Greg Cannom, who did the makeup for 2008's The Curious Case of Benjamin Button, to create seven looks for Chopra's character in the film." Break it and write properly.
• "to create a her look." Whats "a her look"? Is she actually a he that a her look was created?
• "She had to gain five kg" Weight! Mention that.
• "The soundtrack was digitally released on Ovi (Nokia) 21 January 2011, and on CD 24 January 2011." "on" missing.
• "a bottle of "poison", a sachet of "potassium cyanide"" Why are poison and potassium cyanide in inverted commas?
• "The kit contained rope, a syringe, a knife, a bottle of "poison", a sachet of "potassium cyanide", an ice pick and a blister pack of Viagra, and was based on Chopra's character in the film." What was based on character?
• "The short story had been expanded into an 80-page novella by Ruskin Bond." This is not needed in Marketing and release section. Its already said above twice.
• "but was postponed a month to avoid conflicting with another UTV film, Dhobi Ghat." What do you mean by "another UTV film"? Is this also an UTV film? Its never mentioned anywhere above.
• " was released 18 February 2011 on about 700 screens" "on" missing.
• Whats NTSC?
• "7 Khoon Maaf received a number of nominations and won several, particularly for Chopra" Won what?

Now the main thing.... why is this GAR brought up here for community reassessment rather than just individual one? Thats because recently many inferior quality articles are being promoted as GA in the WP:INCINE project. A few more GARs will follow here and thats why i think its best other editors also voice their opinion. §§Dharmadhyaksha§§ {T/C} 11:15, 29 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]

You're in grave danger of losing contributors by your hasty actions.♦ Dr. ☠ Blofeld 16:14, 29 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Dharm, do you want to hear F bombs from me because it's is irritating me. My work was to nominate....this is not my problem if an idiot reviewer didn't found mistakes. Its not my fault. You are what? You call yourself an Indian? Really shame on you. You should ask that GleekVampire as why did he passed that article. I'm not here to work. Hypocrisy?Prashant talk 17:20, 29 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]

That's a little harsh. AIRcorn (talk) 06:19, 2 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose delisting Any minor issues can easily be solved, the article has an adequate coverage of the film and is properly sourced.♦ Dr. ☠ Blofeld 12:38, 30 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Note : The article has just passed a good article review and the reassessment is unnecessary. Please close it.Prashant talk 16:29, 30 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose delisting While most of your comments are valid, and they should be implemented, this is GA, not FA, so everything need not be perfect. Maybe it was just an inexperienced reviewer. I agree with the others that you could have raised these issues without an official GAR, or just fixed them. What were you really hoping to happen here? One additional point about the article is that the soundtrack image should probably go, as this is not a soundtrack article and the image is too similar to the main infobox image. Many would say that this fails WP:NFCCP. BollyJeff | talk 17:39, 30 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]

• Wikipedia runs on consensus and if you all think this is a good article, who is gonna stop? Call it so. §§Dharmadhyaksha§§ {T/C} 06:57, 1 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]

First thanks for providing detailed feedback. This is much better than the nominations that simply say "this article sucks". However I think you are asking for work to be done that falls outside the criteria. I will have a look later and try and fix some of the issues raised. I also agree that the spoundtrack photo should go, but I recall some discussion about this in other articles that I may try and find first. AIRcorn (talk) 06:19, 2 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, the points are certainly constructive and would have been most welcome at a peer review, even during the GA review. ♦ Dr. ☠ Blofeld 21:31, 2 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]

I have addressed all the issues and fixed the above points. I want to tell administration that please don't let inexperienced editors to review any article as they always pass articles without going through the articles and posting issues which are unnecessary rather than focus on main issues.Prashant talk 03:56, 3 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]

• Keep and quick close: Although there was some problems, they were mild and could've been easily fixed without a reassessment as clarified above by Dr. Blofield. So I suggest that 7 Khoon Maaf should remain a good article. I also suggest that this GAR should close as Prashant has fixed all the remaining issues. Regards ----Plea$ant 1623 ✉ 13:08, 13 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]
• So, what's the decision? And who closes this reviews?--Dwaipayan (talk) 17:10, 27 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]