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I confirm the correctness and validity of all previous deletions of this article. Previous article versions were not good and gave no evidence of WP:N. Nick the admin tells me that this is the correct venue to ask for a new review of a new article on this person. slakr was the original closing admin, who did an excellent and correct close that the version of the article under discussion should be deleted and redirected. This article has been deleted three times because WP:NOTINHERITED, which is irrelevant to WP:GNG and GNG has never before been discussed in relation to this person. I rewrote the article. This person is the subject of multiple reliable sources and meets WP:GNG. I am coming to deletion review to ask that this article be allowed to go through an WP:AfD in its current version. This new writing of the article is not like the others. I acknowledge that past AfDs were recent. Blue Rasberry (talk) 14:08, 30 September 2014 (UTC)
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Poorly executed non-admin closure of an SPA and sock-puppet riddled discussion which clearly required admin tools to close. I've discussed it with the closing editor who suggested "Looking through the article... there are enough sources to meet WP:GNG". But rather than using that as a rationale for contributing the only non-SPA keep !vote to the discussion, he decided to super-vote it closed instead. Revert non-admin closure and overturn to delete. St★lwart111 02:09, 30 September 2014 (UTC)
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I am not disputing the assessment that VideoPad is not notable. I find the other editors' arguments weak but can understand how a closing admin can come to the conclusion that the consensus is VideoPad is not notable. However, I disagree with the deletion of the redirect's history. As shown in this revision (the revision that was deleted), the article contains several reliable sources and content that could be useful to a future non-admin editor that found more sources. I wrote at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/VideoPad: The closer at Wikipedia talk:Articles for deletion/Archive 61#RfC: Merge, redirect wrote: I believe the deletion here is inappropriate because the deleted content is useful and does not violate a core policy like Wikipedia:Biographies of living persons or Wikipedia:Neutral point of view. The encyclopedia does not benefit from its deletion. The closing admin declined to restore the article's history. Please restore the article's history under the redirect. Cunard (talk) 17:39, 28 September 2014 (UTC)
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Wrongly deleted. Closer of deletion discussion said that he could not find sufficient notable articles about the subject. There is a very long list of notable activity and articles about the subject. Currently requesting to have notable activity and articles about the subject reviewed and to overturn the decision to delete this page. There was not enough discussion on the proposal for deletion page to make a consensus. Discussion was mainly attributed to the closer. Here are the notable activities and articles: Each source on this list includes a link to a wikipedia article to confirm that the source is viable, credible and reputable. MICHAEL AND MARISA HAVE BEEN CONCERT OPENERS FOR: Rixton (Top 40 Artist, opening for Ariana Grande 2015) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rixton_(band)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cody_Simpson http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Waiting_4U_Tour
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Archuleta
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Drake_Bell
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mitchel_Musso
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Greyson_Chance
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bamboozle_Road_Show_2010
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Billboard_(magazine)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Huffington_Post CNN: http://ireport.cnn.com/docs/DOC-500234 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CNN J14 Magazine: http://www.j-14.com/posts/exclusive-q-a-with-michael-and-marisa-2435 http://www.j-14.com/tags/michael-and-marisa-2826 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/J-14_(magazine) Parent's Magazine: http://www.parents.com/blogs/goodyblog/tag/michael-and-marisa/ http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Parents_(magazine) PBSKids http://pbskids.org/itsmylife/blog/2010/07/michael-and-marisa.html http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PBS_Kids
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Bullying_Prevention_Month
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Boston_Globe National Association of Secondary School Principals (NASSP https://www.nassp.org/KnowledgeCenter/TopicsofInterest/BullyingPrevention/MediaResources.aspx http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Association_of_Secondary_School_Principals
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Mattel Toys has a line of dolls called: “I Can Be….”. The dolls have different occupations such as doctor, pilot, veterinarian etc. Marisa was asked by Mattel to represent the line as the “I Can Be….a Drummer.” Here is the link to the video that Mattel made and put on their web site. There was a video for each occupation on the site. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TrvaIpKUsSc http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mattel The chords to a Michael and Marisa song are listed on Ultimate-guitar.com: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ultimate_Guitar_Archive Michael and Marisa mentioned on sites in other countries: Their reach is worldwide including Australia, Middle East, Europe, South America, Far East: French: http://www.vagalume.com.br/michael-and-marisa/ Russian: http://www.amalgama-lab.com/songs/m/michael_and_marisa/the_same.html Spanish: http://karolayneminhamoda.blogspot.com/2011/04/michael-and-marisa.html Marisa is endorsed by Vic Firth (drum stick co.) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vic_Firth Patch Game company made over 70,000 games with three different Michael and Marisa song titles. Patch enclosed in the games a CD with the Michael and Marisa song matching the title of the game or a download card with their song. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Patch_Products Tuesday536 (talk) 14:49, 28 September 2014 (UTC)
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The rational for deletion was that the article was "implicitly hostile" despite similar articles on same topic for other organizations. This was deleted with an administrative supervote. The actual !vote was for keep ... even no consensus would have been acceptable. See CNN controversies and Fox News Channel controversies and Al Jazeera controversies and criticism and BBC controversies and CBS News controversies and criticism and MSNBC controversies for similar articles that summarize reporting problems. I don't see anything "implicitly hostile" in the New York Times article that sets it aside from the other media criticism articles. The article is mostly a summary of other articles already in Wikipedia. Richard Arthur Norton (1958- ) (talk) 14:09, 27 September 2014 (UTC)
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This page was speedily deleted giving the reason, in part "POV forks are not the way to resolve content discussions, especially not with borderline BLP vios using iffy sources." A copy of the page as it existed not long before deletion is archived here, though that archived copy does not include updates adding additional sourcing made just before deletion. A previous speedy deletion nomination was declined by the admin GB fan on 24 September, and the article was taken to WP:AFD. The discussion was open for only one day and had a great deal of active discussion at the time it was preemptively closed, and editing to add additional sourcing was underway, though there were already a number of reliable sources on the article. I've asked the closing admin to explain his rationale here but was advised to bring my concerns to this forum. In regards to the reasons given, the article was in no way a violation of WP:BLP. Despite the remarks of the closing administrator, all contentious facts were cited to reliable sources, to include Physics Today,[2] The Washington Post,[3][4] The Tampa Tribune,[5] The Daily Beast,[6] National Review,[7] and The Weekly Standard.[8] Just before the article was deleted, citations were being added to a lengthy article in The Week[9], and today another article on the topic was published by The Christian Post.[10] I have asked those citing WP:BLP to specify exactly what the violation is, and I am still uncertain what the answer to that question is. In regards to claims that the article is a POV fork, I would say the article is a content fork and expresses no particular POV. I understand the argument that some have made regarding notability of the topic, though I may disagree. Regardless, notability issues are not dealt with via speedy deletion, but by community consensus. I would ask that the article be relisted so the community can complete the discussion. If the content is deleted or merged back into the main bio, then so be it...but the discussion should not have been shut down in this case. Kelly hi! 08:46, 26 September 2014 (UTC)
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Now played in a senior football match as per WP:FOOTBALL. [11]--92.18.202.2 (talk) 18:18, 23 September 2014 (UTC)
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Speedy deleted as G4. WP:CSD#G4 states, "This excludes pages that are not substantially identical to the deleted version." The newer article is not substantially identical to the previous version, which was deleted after an AfD about six months ago. BLP1E was the primary reason for deletion; since then the person has been the subject of a biopic series that represents significant continuing and expanded coverage compared to what was available at the time of the previous AfD. Requesting that the speedy be overturned to allow a full discussion. VQuakr (talk) 03:32, 21 September 2014 (UTC)
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When I saw Hawkeye7 claiming that the article has "attracted sufficient coverage to write a substantial article about it, so on the face of it meets WP:GNG.", and then when I read his claim that "Per WP:OTHERSTUFFEXISTS neither the existence nor the non-existence of similar articles is a factor", I'm afraid I only had conclusion - that he had, at best, just skimmed the debate and article, possibly taking the claims of the keepers regarding coverage and sources at simple face value. A detailed review would have surely seen the objections I had to these ideas, leading at the very least to some explanation as to how I was wrong. I had come to expect being ignored by some of the keepers, especially the ones who seemed to have little or no interest in either what the sources actually contained or the clear intent of rules like EVENT, but I don't expect to be seemingly ignored by the person tasked with making a ruling on the debate. My personal vanity aside, there's also the problem that he appears to be dodging the central issue here, whether or not EVENT is met, by effectively declaring it a 'draw' - an outcome which surely helps absolutely no-one at all, neither keepers or deleters. There were some pretty out there claims made in this debate which appeared to me to absolutely fly in the face of a common sense reading of EVENT/GNG (like the inquest issue), so they surely warrant addressing with a yes or no answer, for the benefit of everyone. Patrol forty (talk) 22:03, 20 September 2014 (UTC)
I note with some trepidation that Mike Peel, perhaps confident that nobody here is likely to waste any more time on the issue of debating whether or not the crash is actually notable in a robust manner, has already apparently begun working on the article, or at least on an alternate draft - User:Mike Peel/Richmond. As I feared, rather than being expanded with material from reliable secondary sources that would actually go some way to proving it meets EVENT, the main thrust of the effort appears to be:
It should be obvious by now that the only reason he is having to resort to this, rather than add anything from the sort of source that that would address any of the problems I just listed above, is because the crash is simply not notable in the true sense of EVENT - whatever looser interpretation (if not complete disregard) others, 15 or otherwise, want to apply to it. Patrol forty (talk) 01:50, 26 September 2014 (UTC)
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Substantial updates to article https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:CrazyAces489/shiina CrazyAces489 (talk) 17:11, 20 September 2014 (UTC)
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This deletion appears rather clearly inappropriate. Brennan is a federal magistrate, and US magistrate judges are generally notable under WP:NPOL. A quick check of the Google cache[18] shows a reasonable stub, adequately sourced, with an inappropriate sentence tacked on about a third party, probably earlier this week. Rather than deleting the article entirely, the inappropriate text should have been removed, probably RevDel'd. The deleting admin, Carlossuarez46, refuses to correct this, saying on my talk page "some admin would probably ignore BLP for you". The existing text (aside from recent addition) appears to be an adequate and appropriate stub, but I can't cut-and-paste it from the Google cache without violating attribution requirements. The Big Bad Wolfowitz (aka Hullaballoo) (talk) 22:32, 19 September 2014 (UTC)
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I am aware that the votecount in the above discussion is quite clear. However, according to me and the lone person who shared my view, most of the keeps were based on reasons that were either not policy- or guideline-based, or were votes where the policy or guideline had no relation to what was in the article. I have tried to raise my concerns with the closing admin at User talk:Philg88#Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Sutton twin towns mural, but he clearly has no interest in giving any further explanation than "it was a strong consensus". To me, it looks as if the closing admin did nothing but a quick votecount, which goes against the Wikipedia:Deletion guidelines for administrators (see his statement about "the will of the community"). I argue that if one follows the definition given there of "rough consensus", especially the part reading "Consensus is not determined by counting heads, but by looking at strength of argument, and underlying policy (if any). Arguments that contradict policy, are based on opinion rather than fact, or are logically fallacious, are frequently discounted." was applicable here, and that the closing admin has not followed this definition (and surely has refused to adequately explain his closure). So, despite the clear votecount, I ask for this AfD to be reopened and to let another admin decide the outcome based this time on an actual determination of rough consensus instead of a votecount. The actual debate about the validity of arguments can be found at the AfD, no need to rehash it in this nomination. Fram (talk) 09:58, 19 September 2014 (UTC)
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Despite a consensus of 5 Keeps vs 2 Deletes, closing admin went against consensus. Closing admin feels that the keeps were "I like it", when maybe one could be read that way, the others speak to the sourcing. Ignored is the fact that the 2 deletes cited "no sources" before sourcing was added. I'm not one to canvass so I thought the piece would stand on its own merits. How can an !vote for delete for lack of sources be valid when there are sources any more than an alleged "keep it because I like it"? Mike - Μολὼν λαβέ 14:08, 18 September 2014 (UTC)
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Deleted based on arguments such as "fails notability as a person. Also smells of WP:promo for her book" and BLP1E for her trial. Her references span over 10 years from her trip to Iraq, her incarceration, to her antiwar activity, to her book. She has a full profile in the New York Times Magazine that runs 5 pages. There are four references to her in the current Google News which covers only the past 60 days. There is no BLP1E for her trial, there was no trial, at an administrative hearing she was found incompetent to stand trial. That people are using the article to push their point of view about her, should not be a reason to delete. Every current president has that problem with their article. She seems to have become a symbol for conspiracy theorists, and readers need a fact based biography of her. Richard Arthur Norton (1958- ) (talk) 14:05, 18 September 2014 (UTC)
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firstly I believe this is an inappropriate non admin closure, non admins should only close as no consensus when there is a lack of participants. I feel the closer is applying a supervote here. The article was relisted to gain further consensus. whilst I did !vote delete here, I will let others judge on the relative merits of the keep v delete votes. LibStar (talk) 02:44, 17 September 2014 (UTC)
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Article was deleted for non-notability in 2009, citing a lack of coverage by secondary sources. The party has been mentioned in recent news articles, such as Neo-Nazi photos pose headache for Shinzo Abe, and the party has Japanese, Spanish, Finnish, Italian, Korean, Serbian and Swedish language Wikipedia articles. Andrew Grimm (talk) 11:32, 16 September 2014 (UTC)
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Mersin International Music Festival has been speedy deleted with the creteria A7 (non notable). But the borderline between notable is and non notable is vague and the non notability depends on the deleter's opinion only. The 10 day annual festival, a member of European Festivals Association (EFA) ([27]) is an important event in the city of 900,000 population. How can such an event be considered non notable in an 4,5 million article- encyclopaedia? The article should be restored. Nedim Ardoğa (talk) 08:09, 15 September 2014 (UTC)
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In 2012 the decision of MBisanz to delete this article was the right decision. But yesterday Stephen Sama made his debut for VfB Stuttgart II in the 3. Liga. [31] [32] [33] According to Wikipedia:WikiProject Football/Fully professional leagues#Men's leagues Sama now meets WP:NSOCCER. So I ask you to restore the article. Yesterday I left a message on the talk page of MBisanz but he seems to be away for some days. Yoda1893 (talk) 10:35, 14 September 2014 (UTC)
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There was no discussion in the AFD, simply the comment by the nominator, "Does not meet WP:NALBUM." I would like to point out that this is one of Relient K's EPs in fact, after doing five seconds worth of research, its their debut EP. I can find several external sources about this album, including a short review by Jesus Freak Hideout that states "Relient K's first national release may not be a big one. But it helped showcase what kind of a quirky, fun-loving, Christian band they were right from the start." Smile Lee (talk) 23:32, 11 September 2014 (UTC)
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I find that the deletion of my article was an unfair deletion with the reason of unambiguous advertising and promotion. After doing a little research on speedy deletion for this reason I found that in many times that this is not the way to handle an article such as the one that I posted as it is easy to have minor edits to adjust it from the look/feel of an advertisement. There was even some help detailed by an editor on the page by the name of JacobiJones who did not see the article as an advertisement and believed it should stay on the main page with updates and more citations. As the articles creator I added proper citations with several different citations. The company is clearly notable as it is global and part of Berkshire Hathaway. It also has been in business since the early 1930 (clearly a long history). The admin Secret unjustly speedy deleted the page on two occasions after I made even more adjustments when not even offering a discussion. In the speedy deletion criteria there was no call for this. As a third party writing my first article on Wikipedia this should not have happened. I am willing to do the work to make this article GREAT. I nominate this article to be undeleted and posted back on the main page where other editors can continue to help make it a great informing article about a company that has an intriguing history and strong global presence in the world today.Mcshanemichael90 (talk) 16:15, 11 September 2014 (UTC)
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The version of this article is substantially different from the one that was deleted in July (discussions here and here, previous versions of deleted article here and here). Given references were more readily available (~20), that the corresponding article for the previous World cup had fewer refs and was still left alone, then why was it redeleted? Asoccer maniac (talk) 17:48, 8 September 2014 (UTC)
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Disclosure: This is my first real submission and I do work for Sunday. My intention was to provide a brief summary of the business for curious parties, it was not intended as self-promotion (and indeed I don't think it would be especially effective in that regard). The original draft did feature one poorly chosen phrase ('effective and compelling') that I was unsurprised to see immediately removed. Beyond this it seemed to me that it met the 'notability' criteria, in terms of reliable significant coverage in secondary sources, independent of the subject. I tried to provide copious online references to support this, and am very open to modification (or suggestions) if the text is seen in any way to fall short of accepted standards. I have discussed this with the deleter, who suggested this course of action. T1kenobi (talk) 14:36, 8 September 2014 (UTC)
Thanks all for the feedback, much appreciated. Yes, the content in my sandbox is (more or less) what is being discussed. My intention was to try to present factual information, rather than promotional material, possibly I failed. The inclusion of the media coverage/awards was intended to try to address the 'notability' criteria. I now can't tell what would actually fulfill this at all (nearly all media being subjective by its nature!) - as far as I can see media citation is used widely (on wikipedia). Anyway, thanks again all, I will look at your suggestions. T1kenobi (talk) 09:53, 16 September 2014 (UTC) |
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Hello, I questioned at German-languaged Wikipedia (deWP) if it makes sense to create articles "Festivals by year" and the result was quite positive so I started creating an article about 2012s Warped Tour edition. I searched the world wide web for some reliable sources and I found articles in Alternative Press, Rock Sound, Billboard, the New York Times (festival review), Hollywood Reporter, the Mountain Weekly News (festival review), Phoenix New Times (festival review) and Examiner (festival review), alongside other sources. I contacted the user who deleted the article User:Randykitty (see here). So here are my sources I used:
So, for the 2012s edition of Warped Tour are enough reliable sources available on my opinion. What do you think? Best wishes! --Goroth (talk) 14:11, 7 September 2014 (UTC)
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No Consensus was reached, the article was submitted for AFD and within hours the article was deleted. It should have been given 7 days for discussion, and there were suggestions that the article be moved to Kidnapping of (Redacted) type article instead, (Redacted) name is all over the news, his notability has been established. I understand that the family requested his name not be used, but James Foley (journalist) exists and so does Steven Sotloff (Redacted) is in the Sotloff video, and his information is being reported worldwide. While the family requested his name not be mentioned in the news, The Guardian printed his name anyways: (Redacted) , along with saying, "asked the media to withhold (Redacted) identity, at the request of his family, but within minutes his name was being published widely online by international news organisations such as (Redacted) " Google results: (Redacted) His name is all over the news, and despite the horrific nature of the circumstances, and the fact that his wife doesn't want his name out there, it is. Notability has been established. Wikipedia should be remaining neutral. There should be a better policy in place in regards to this. MeropeRiddle (talk) 05:05, 4 September 2014 (UTC) |
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The initial discussion determined this article should be deleted at the subject’s request, and there was a discussion that the individual was not significant, and also no longer relevant. Additionally, it has been argued that the subject is adequately covered elsewhere. I would have to disagree. First, with regards to the subject’s request for privacy I would have to argue that his actions in the interim do not warrant a request for privacy. In the interim he has released another book (http://www.amazon.com/dp/1484926455) and conducted interviews (http://disinfo.com/2013/09/devils-advocate-interview-dr-michael-aquino ). Additionally, it is not a case where the interviews were about only the book. He is answering questions regarding the areas discussed in the original article. It seems the issue is less a desire for privacy and more a desire to control what is said. As an encyclopedia, there should not be consideration taken to honor a request based on that reasoning. One should not be allowed to request privacy and then continue to remain a public figure. As for his notoriety, it is clear the importance goes beyond a significant role in the Church of Satan and having founded the Temple of Set, although I feel those alone would make him more worthy of inclusion than many other subjects (at lease with a redirect to Temple of Set). Mr. Aquino was an intelligence officer for the US during Vietnam, and is credited with the creation of many techniques that continue to be used today. In fact, it is Psychological Warfare, and not Satanism, that is the subject of his new book. If his role in development were as large as he argues then he would be worthy of an article. Additionally, Mr. Aquino attempted to make himself the face of Satanism in the 1980’s, conducting several national TV and magazine interviews. He presented himself as the highest profile Satanist in the United States at the time of the Satanic Panic. Again, it is hard to argue that someone who took that action, and received such recognition is not significant. Finally, while obviously hogwash, Mr. Aquino is a major figure in conspiracy theory circles. I would not argue the allegations should be repeated in an article, but I would argue that it is yet another area that should be mentioned both with regards to the current environment and the Satanic Panic of the 80’s. By and large I believe that this undeletion was done in good faith, but that it represents manipulation of information by the subject, and is, in essence, no different than a subject editing his own article to paint himself in a better light, and is in many ways worse as it represents not just the manipulation of information but the hiding of it. 198.135.124.71 (talk) 19:36, 2 September 2014 (UTC)
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This page was deleted per WP:G5, but from what I saw of the draft article it holds potential.
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Hello, I would like the Wikipedia Community to undelete the page Kindness UK. This page was deleted because it was 'mostly self-referenced or unsourced'. I have since provided additional unbiased, independent and reliable sources which provide evidence of significant coverage and notability of the organisation. Please see the changes and additional sources added to the Kindness UK page on user page Emehtwiki/Kindness_UK. The previous Wikipedia article for Kindness UK, on reflection, did not contain sufficient references and therefore I understand the decision to delete it. The organisation is unbiased and neutral with the sole aim of sharing kindness and uniting people in kind acts. In consideration of the sources provided on Emehtwiki/Kindness_UK user page, I believe that this organisation is notable and the Kindness UK Wikipedia article is a valuable resource for people interested in kindness organisations and researching the topic of kindness and should therefore be undeleted. Emehtwiki (talk) 14:06, 1 September 2014 (UTC)
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