The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was redirect to Narendra_Modi#Early_life_and_education. By and large, consensus is against outright keeping. Most of the deletion arguments seem to cite inherited-notability arguments, which is compatible with redirec/merge arguments along the same lines. As for redirect or merge (and/or which targets are most appropriate), consensus at the target is free to determine how much of the original content, if any, should be incorporated into the target; the target given here is just the one I saw raised most, so feel free to decide on a better target (e.g., via a plain old talk page discussion or via WP:RFD). slakr\ talk / 01:36, 19 June 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Jashodaben[edit]

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This article has been deleted twice as a result of a deletion discussion, see Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Jashodaben Modi (2nd nomination). When it first appeared I PROD'ed it as non notable (WP:NOTINHERITED), not realising that it had been AfD'd. PROD removed by page creator, & subsegently replaced & removed: I then substituted a speedy delete as a recreation, which an editor has removed thinking this should go to AfD yet a third time. What a waste of time.TheLongTone (talk) 10:02, 27 May 2014 (UTC) TheLongTone (talk) 10:02, 27 May 2014 (UTC)[reply]

My bad.Eustachiusz (talk) 12:31, 27 May 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Note: This debate has been included in the list of India-related deletion discussions. • Gene93k (talk) 18:26, 27 May 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Note: This debate has been included in the list of People-related deletion discussions. • Gene93k (talk) 18:26, 27 May 2014 (UTC)[reply]
See WP:OTHERSTUFF. This woman has no independant notability, unlike some of the others on the list. Others could well be subject to deletion on notabilty grounds.TheLongTone (talk) 10:48, 28 May 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Spouses of PM could be notable; not necessarily notable, when they are given the status of being the spouse. Subject's status in Modi's life is still questionable. While the 24-hour news channels have plenty time to gossip with her on her favourite dish and favourite colour, she isn't acknowledged as such as the spouse of PM of India. §§Dharmadhyaksha§§ {T/C} 12:52, 28 May 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Because it was called something slightly different.Eustachiusz (talk) 12:50, 29 May 2014 (UTC)[reply]
I care little if article gets deleted but what about news that Jashodaben is also likely to get a special security cover meant for the family members of the Prime Minister of India - that means she is officially spouse of Prime Minister of India ? Jethwarp (talk) 07:04, 29 May 2014 (UTC)[reply]
The key word in that statement is "likely". §§Dharmadhyaksha§§ {T/C} 07:07, 29 May 2014 (UTC)[reply]
The article now says Jashodaben has been granted a 24 hour special security by Special Protection Group, which provides security cover for members of their immediate families of the Prime Minister of India. Jethwarp (talk) 15:29, 3 June 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Modi's mother is also granted a 24 hour special security[1]; that doesn't make her noteworthy. Also, Jashodaben is not invited to his swearing-in or the President's dinner etc; she has not been given official duties or honour that say a Gursharan Kaur, spouse of the outgoing PM, enjoyed. --Redtigerxyz Talk 16:25, 3 June 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Which entirely ignores the fact that this attention is solely down to her marriage. This is a classic case of WP:NOTINHERITED.TheLongTone (talk) 14:59, 4 June 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Which bit of WP:NOTINHERITED don't you understand? All this coverage is because of her association with Modi.TheLongTone (talk) 15:32, 4 June 2014 (UTC)[reply]
You need to actually read WP:NOTINHERITED. At no point have I argued that the relationship in itself as criteria for notability. The criteria for notability here is the coverage in mainstream national (and some international) press. --Soman (talk) 21:30, 4 June 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Going through your references, 1 "I am happy Narendra Modi accepted me as his wife, says Jashodaben". 2 "Narendra Modi Wife Name, Photo: Who is the Secretive Jashodaben Chimanlal Modi?" 3 "PM Narendra Modi’s wife Jashodaben given police protection" 4 "100 kms away from him, Modi's wife, Jashodaben, cast her vote today" 5 "Willing to go with Modi if he calls her back: Jashodaben's brother" 6 "I am happy Narendra Modi accepted me as his wife, says Jashodaben" 7 "Modi ji accepting me as his wife gives me utmost satisfaction: Jashodaben" 8 Is ant article about an increase in tourism wher she lives... because she is Modi's wife 9 "I am Narendra Modi’s Wife" 10 is an article about Modi which mentions her as his wife. Again do you understandWP:NOTINHERITED Family members of celebrities also must meet Wikipedia's notability criteria on their own merits – the fact that they have famous relatives is not, in and of itself, sufficient to justify an independent article. Ordinarily, a relative of a celebrity should only have their own independent article if and when it can be reliably sourced that they have done something significant and notable in their own right, and would thereby merit an independent article even if they didn't have a famous relative. ?? She has no independant notability whatsoever.TheLongTone (talk) 09:06, 5 June 2014 (UTC)[reply]
  • The key wording here is "notable in their own right". Since national media follows her where she votes, reports on her whereabouts, acts like paparazzis, she has gained notability in her own right. This notability might be reluctant and coincidental, but still notability. --Soman (talk) 14:44, 5 June 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Soman, CORRECTION: second Afd was post the grand disclosure of the wife. "There is no "Significant coverage" of the person apart from her been named as Narendra Modi's wife in his election affidavit."Redtigerxyz Talk 13:35, 5 June 2014 (UTC)[reply]
And she is gaining all this attention because she is Modi's wife.TheLongTone (talk) 16:39, 5 June 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Which is irrelevant. The reason behind fame is not relevant, the fame itself is the relevance for notability. WP:NOTINHERITED says that notability isn't automatically inherited. However, it doesn't ban coverage on relatives of notable people. --Soman (talk) 17:31, 5 June 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Just how is it irrelevant that she is only gaining attention because she is Modi's wife?? You seem to be under the impression that sheer volume of coverage is an argument for notability rather than the reason for the coverage.TheLongTone (talk) 17:40, 5 June 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Reported by Rohit Bhan (with inputs from Reuters) | Updated: April 30, 2014 15:27 IST

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so a clearer consensus may be reached.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, -- RoySmith (talk) 15:24, 5 June 2014 (UTC)[reply]
so she is being papped. This is hardly likely to continue.TheLongTone (talk) 14:19, 10 June 2014 (UTC)[reply]
I disagree with the 2nd statement. Anir1uph | talk | contrib 15:52, 10 June 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Perhaps Modi's marriage could be a subject of an article. Yogesh Khandke (talk) 02:51, 13 June 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Hehe... We will make a Narendra Modi's paraphernalia and dump all stuff there. Almost everything that happens these days is linked with him. §§Dharmadhyaksha§§ {T/C} 05:31, 13 June 2014 (UTC)[reply]
There is nothing to merge, everything is already at Modi's article. §§Dharmadhyaksha§§ {T/C} 15:35, 13 June 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Above is an unsigned from User:SPACKlick (from history).Redtigerxyz Talk 17:42, 18 June 2014 (UTC)[reply]
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