Category:Department stores of Bangkok
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- The result of the discussion was: merge/delete (non-admin closure). Marcocapelle (talk) 07:42, 25 March 2018 (UTC)[reply]
- Propose merging Category:Department stores of Bangkok to Category:Department stores of Thailand
- Propose deleting Category:Department stores of Thailand by city
- Propose deleting Category:Department stores by country by city
- Nominator's rationale: Not part of any larger categorisation scheme. Paul_012 (talk) 20:47, 17 March 2018 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Sportspeople
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- The result of the discussion was: procedural close. The nom withdrew the original proposal, at which point this discussion should have been closed. Trying to use this discussion as the place for a different proposal involving different categories just makes a confused discussion. Feel free to open a new discussion about the new proposal. --BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 11:44, 19 March 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Or alternatively:
- Nominator's rationale: The current category name is confusing. The category's scope, "people involved in sports in some way", does not match the dictionary definition of sportsperson, which is "someone who plays sport", i.e. Category:Sports competitors. I would appreciate if someone could help tag the subcats. Otherwise, I'll get to it in a few days. Paul_012 (talk) 19:18, 17 March 2018 (UTC) Paul_012 (talk) 21:13, 18 March 2018 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:African-American biographical dramas
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- The result of the discussion was: keep. --BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 21:41, 10 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]
- Nominator's rationale: This was rejected at CSD, which is fine, but my argument remains the same: we do not categorize by race. How can this category be defined except as films about African-Americans, and how is that anything other than categorization by race? The Old JacobiteThe '45 17:35, 17 March 2018 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete' per nom. Deloop82 (talk) 17:40, 17 March 2018 (UTC)[reply]
- Comment I'm nuetral but we in fact frequently categorize by race: Category:African-American films, Category:African-American film producers, Category:African-American film directors, Category:African Americans' rights organizations, Category:African-American society, Category:African-American players of American football. --Tenebrae (talk) 19:57, 17 March 2018 (UTC)[reply]
- Oppose, we don't categorize by race, but we do categorize by ethnic groups, and African American is a well established ethnic group in the category tree, see Category:African-American society. Marcocapelle (talk) 23:05, 17 March 2018 (UTC)[reply]
- African-American is not an ethnic group. Ethiopian-American, Kenyan-American, or Tanzanian-American would all be ethnic groups, but African-American is a racial group and forbidden by our own policies. ---The Old JacobiteThe '45 01:02, 18 March 2018 (UTC)[reply]
- More info about African Americans as an ethnic group, see African Americans. Marcocapelle (talk) 09:49, 18 March 2018 (UTC)[reply]
- Oppose, African-American is an ethnic group, not a race. Black is a race. Ethnicity is cultural and race is genetic. African-American's are people brought over from the slave trade and whose culture is distinctly, American. Ethiopian-American, Kenyan-American, etc are immigrants or first, second generation Americans who's roots can be traced back to their parents or grandparents country of origin. African-Americans have no such distinction. There are a myriad of pre-existing pages films, directors, etc. And there is nothing wrong with that. This page should stand like the others. saviaj (talk) 23:40, 17 March 2018 (UTC)[reply]
- With all due respect, that response made no sense. "Black" is not a race, and the claim that it is is simply ridiculous. Your misunderstanding of these issues is evident in your misuse of these categories. But, you are correct in your statement that ethnicity is about culture, not race, which is why we should be specific. African-American is not an ethnic group; it is a catch-all phrase that obscures more than it illuminates. Likewise, European-American would not be a useful phrase, because it is not specific enough to be useful. I understand that we are on tender ground here and should proceed carefully, but this is an encyclopedia we are building and we need to be specific in our categorizations and our use of language. ---The Old JacobiteThe '45 14:05, 18 March 2018 (UTC)[reply]
- Oppose I agree with saviaj. We define African Americans as an ethnic group of Americans, and cover their history, demographics, religion, business, language, genetics, traditional names, politics and social issues, culture, music, and literature. We have the article "Black people" for the racial classification scheme, along with explanations of why there is no universally accepted definition of a black person. TheOldJacobite seems to have no familiarity with our articles on ethnic groups or the sources used for them. Dimadick (talk) 10:10, 19 March 2018 (UTC)[reply]
- Oppose I can't add anything to what others have said. — Malik Shabazz Talk/Stalk 04:46, 20 March 2018 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Gender pay gap by country
[edit]Category:Modern Turkic states
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- The result of the discussion was: relisted at Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2018 April 10#Category:Modern_Turkic_states. --BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 22:18, 10 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]
- Propose deleting Category:Modern Turkic states (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
- Propose deleting Category:Autonomous Turkic states
- Propose deleting Category:Former Turkic states
- Nominator's rationale: delete as non-defining and too subjective (how much % of the population needs to be of Turkic ethnicity in order to characterize a state as Turkic?). Marcocapelle (talk) 10:34, 17 March 2018 (UTC)[reply]
- comment There is no "Turkic ethnicity". The Turkic peoples are a collection of ethnolinguistic groups, consisting of groups who speak one of the Turkic languages. At least 35 documented languages, all descending from a Proto-Turkic language, that was probably spoken in the 1st millennium BC. Linguists have noted considerable similarities between the Turkic languages and the Mongolic languages, the Tungusic languages, the Koreanic languages, the Japonic languages, and the Uralic languages, probably indicating "extensive prehistoric language contact". Dimadick (talk) 10:32, 19 March 2018 (UTC)[reply]
- Support - certainly Pan-Turkism is a thing, but as the nominator says this is hard to measure and probably not defining anyway. Inter&anthro (talk) 17:47, 19 March 2018 (UTC)[reply]
- Keep - similar to Category:Arab world.GreyShark (dibra) 17:08, 21 March 2018 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Tomb Raider series
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- The result of the discussion was: relisted, see here. Marcocapelle (talk) 07:51, 25 March 2018 (UTC)[reply]
- Propose renaming Category:Tomb Raider series to Category:Tomb Raider video games
- Nominator's rationale: More accurate description of what is in the category. Was moved here by accident a while back, then reverted, but I think "games" is more WP:CONSISTENT. ZXCVBNM (TALK) 08:56, 17 March 2018 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Fictional rogue planets
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