The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was delete. In particular, user-generated websites are not reliable and cannot be used to bolster a claim to notability/GEOLAND. ♠PMC♠ (talk) 10:06, 30 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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No improvement of an article on a non-notable rail spot. Ghosttowns.com claims it was a settlement and claims a store which is at variance with the place names book; passing references to people "from" the place do not turn it into a town. Post offices are routine features of train stations. Mangoe (talk) 06:52, 23 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

• Keep - as per results of AfD of 2 years ago. Nothing has changed since then. Onel5969 ^{TT me} 09:28, 23 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]
• Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Geography and Arizona. Shellwood (talk) 10:48, 23 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep - Two user-generated "ghost-town" websites call it a "settlement" and a "village". Two newspaper clippings, [1][2], support that people lived there. Magnolia677 (talk) 12:07, 23 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete per WP:V and WP:GEOLAND:

• To have an article on a populated place, we need to have a reliable source which says it's a populated place, per WP:V. This article cites GNIS (which is not reliable for this purpose) and "AZ Hometown Locator" (which just isn't reliable, and is probably just repeating data from GNIS or a similar database). The user-generated websites listed above are not reliable because they rely on user-generated data. Trying to infer the existence of a populated place from sources which don't say it's a populated place, such as a newspaper clipping which says someone is from there, is original research which isn't allowed here.
• WP:GEOLAND only gives near-automatic notability to legally recognised populated places, populated places without legal recognition need to pass the GNG. We have no evidence of legal recognition and passing mentions and database entries aren't remotely enough for the GNG. Having a post office is not evidence of legal recognition, they could be in any old building.

Hut 8.5 12:51, 23 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

• Delete. Things are not important just because some people used to live there. Ghost of Kiev (talk) 17:15, 23 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete The most extensive info in the ghost-town website even says it was a railstop at a ranch with a post office. Not enough evidence of an actual community. People lived on ranches. The newspaper listing are all legal notices regarding homesteading and are just passing mentions. As an WP:ATD, no objection to a redirect to Cochise County where it could be listed under ghosttowns (although not as a redlink). MB 18:02, 24 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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