The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was keep‎. (non-admin closure) Atlantic306 (talk) 00:34, 8 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Rami Meir (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View log | edits since nomination)

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I believe this article qualifies for deletion under a variety of policies; however the most relevant are WP:ARTIST/WP:GNG. More specifically, w/ regards to the former, the only permanent exhibit of Rami Meir's artwork is hosted by the Union of Mountain Jewish Artists of Russia (hereafter UMJAR), an organization he was the chairman of. Further, with the research I've done, all sources regarding the article subject seem to lack WP:RELIABILITY, with most of the references (both listed and others I found through research) seeming to violate WP:COI, if not directly WP:SELFSOURCE. For those sources for which I was not able to find direct evidence of CoI, I have significant concerns about WP:PARTISAN, due to a consistent lack of citations within the sources as well as other issues. To expound on a few of these claims further:

• With regards to STMEGI sources, of which several on Rami Meir can be found, I believe these to be CoI. One of the cited references currently on the Article has a quote from the executive director of STMEGI claiming "[STMEGI] invited [UMJAR] to unite into a professional Union at the site of the Community Center of Mountain Jews in Sokolniki,” following which Rami Meir was elected chairman. Additionally, STMEGI seems to be an ongoing financial backer/charitable donor of UMJAR. Further, STMEGI has ties to Meir specifically, having previously awarded him their S.I. Weinstein Prize in 2021 as well as having hired him previously as an educator.

• With regard to the various Azerbaijani news sources (the one referencing Meir most frequently being media.az, but all the sources I've found in this category share similar flaws), ensuring that these sources are verifiable or reputable has been difficult. Admittedly, this could be due to language/cultural barriers so I welcome input from those more familiar; however due to the concerns RE media freedoms in Azerbaijan, and the lack of citations or similar journalistic practices, these sources lack any way to verify their accuracy and independence. Media.az--again as an example--lacks any listed author on its article pages. The only contributor I can find evidence of on the site is their editor-in-chief, who received an honorary journalism degree directly from the President of Azerbaijan, along with others in the publication's leadership team. While this doesn't necessarily prove that that the source is biased, it does add further strain to the reputability IMO.

There are additional concerns I have about the article's quality; however for the most part they don't necessarily reach the reasons for deletion in their own right, so I'll not mention them unless they become relevant. KJGinger (talk) 23:02, 7 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

• Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Russia-related deletion discussions. KJGinger (talk) 23:02, 7 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]
• Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Judaism-related deletion discussions. KJGinger (talk) 23:02, 7 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]
• Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Artists-related deletion discussions. KJGinger (talk) 23:02, 7 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]
• Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Azerbaijan-related deletion discussions. 23:21, 7 November 2023 (UTC)--A. B. ^{(talk • contribs • global count)} 23:21, 7 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]
• Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Bands and musicians, Poetry, and Israel. WCQuidditch ☎ ✎ 00:11, 8 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Comment I don't know enough about poet and musician notability, but far as his artwork most everything is PR or passing mentions user generated. fails WP:ARTIST. Hoping someone from another sort list will comment. As far as the reasons listed in (UMJAR etc.) I don't feel I can address. The specificity of the request makes this article hard to vote on. --WomenArtistUpdates (talk) 17:55, 11 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 23:28, 14 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

• Delete - no improvement or participation since I looked for sources on 11 November 2023. Fails WP:ARTIST and reads like promotion of a living person. --WomenArtistUpdates (talk) 01:56, 20 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep meets GNG, [1], [2], [3], [4], [5]. I think a search for Ра́ми Ме́ир would turn up more.  // Timothy :: talk  12:38, 22 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Arbitrarily0 ^(talk) 05:03, 23 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

• Keep Passes WP:GNG. Katy Williamson (talk) 07:40, 23 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Keep - seems ok, but needs to be better sourced. Since most sources appear to come from the same website. Furthermore, it appears he is notable enough considering career as well as chairmanship of artistic union. Homerethegreat (talk) 10:12, 24 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: Final relist
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 07:35, 30 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

• Keep Doesn't seem to be a WP:GNG issue here.MaskedSinger (talk) 08:33, 30 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep I added more sources. Passes WP:GNG.Antimargi (talk) 13:47, 3 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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