The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was Delete. Rjd0060 (talk) 03:12, 5 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Nyrva Dragonrhyne (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) (delete) – (View log)

For your consideration: a fictional character that is supposed to appear in a book that is both unfinished and unpublished. However, images of this character can be found on the deviantART web site. This one hits the WP:N wall head-on. Ecoleetage (talk) 02:14, 31 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

• Delete. Definite shortage of independent sources in this one. —C.Fred (talk) 02:17, 31 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]
• Strong delete No assertation of notability. Book doesn't have an article and isn't even finished yet. When the only links are to DeviantArt, you know you're in trouble. Ten Pound Hammer and his otters • ^{(Broken clamshells• Otter chirps • HELP!)} 03:21, 31 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete No reliable sources. Wikipedia is not a crystal ball on its future notability. Artene50 (talk) 06:47, 31 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]
• Strong delete. Hopeless lack of sources. Google hits were entirely unreliable and useless. I don't think character will be notable even after the "book" is finished. Doctorfluffy (robe and wizard hat) 17:32, 31 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete as no evidence of verifiability or notability.--S Marshall (talk) 21:11, 31 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete smooth0⁷0₇ (talk) 23:00, 31 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete *blink* congratulations for the artist for appearing in Someone Else's dA News Post that got whole of +45 favs, and getting as many as 41 and 82 image views, respectively, for the two images featured so far. Charming, really, because articles like this do not end up in AfD too frequently - they get CSD A7 WEB'd, nay, CSD A7 WEB'd from the orbit, because vague comments about so-far-suspiciously-non-notable-sounding things and 9 Google hits don't make an article. So to retain the article, actual reliable sources that said there were actual major publications featuring this character would be terribly needed. Stuff that's so far only demonstrably of minor consequence just doesn't make an article. --wwwwolf (barks/growls) 17:20, 3 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Let me ask you this-- Check out the article "Power of the Dark Crystal" -- this is a fictional movie that was supposed to come out 2 (that's TWO) years ago, but has not only not surfaced, there is no proof that this work is even still in production. Other than a few articles about the movie, the returns on Google (good ones) are a joke, if you want to knock on the article I'm WORKING ON. Plus my article is not finished yet. So you haven't given it a chance! If you do delete this article, I know the guy who created Nyrva is a huge fan of doing parodies and satire- so you'll just be feeding him ammo! LOL!! I really hope you would have given this a real chance. But you guys sound lime meanies!! You guys are hypocrites if you delete this- because you'll allow articles about movies that don't exaist like "Power of the Dark Crystal" but won't allow an article about a character by an up and coming underground anime artist? You guys having an article about the "Batman vs Superman" movie that WILL NEVER COME OUT is another prime example. Well I don't have much else to say. I just wish you would have given this a real chance. Witaku (talk) 22:18, 31 July 2008 (UTC) "It's a great day... for me to whoop somebody's ass!" -- Paul Thorn (Bob & Tom morning show) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Witaku (talk • contribs) 22:53, 31 July 2008 (UTC) — Witaku (talk • contribs) has made few or no other edits outside this topic. [reply]

• Comment--I'm not a lime meanie! :-) The discussion process ought to take five days and people do change their minds. If in that time you can show this is notable (WP:NOT) and verifiable (WP:V) then I'll happily change mine.--And I know how you feel, the very first article I ever wrote got deleted. I was crushed and I didn't come back to Wikipedia for ages.

People on Wikipedia tend to talk in abbreviations, which can make them sound more hostile than they really are.

One thing that's definitely true: Wikipedia is unfair, inconsistent and hypocritical. Some articles get deleted while much less notable, verifiable or encyclopaedic ones survive unchallenged. Sorry, but that does happen a lot. --S Marshall (talk) 23:02, 31 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I'll spell out this abbreviation, though: other stuff exists. —C.Fred (talk) 02:20, 1 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

(Though FWIW, Power of the Dark Crystal does not have its own article. It's a redirect to the section of the Dark Crystal article where they talk about the possibility of a sequel. —C.Fred (talk) 02:24, 1 August 2008 (UTC))[reply]

• Strong delete No independant sources, no indication of notability, no indication if the book will ever see print. Edward321 (talk) 05:23, 1 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]
• Strong delete Per all of above re: sources and notability. Appears to be promotional, to boot. JNW (talk) 22:58, 1 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]
• Comment Wikatu appears to be creating a duplicate of the article on their User Page. [1] Edward321 (talk) 23:35, 1 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]
• Comment To Edward321--

Question for YOU Edward321 -- if I made a copy of the article "Nyrva Dragonrhyne", and put it on my user page, what's wrong with that? Your comment on the deletion discussion page for this article, you say--

Comment Wikatu appears to be creating a duplicate of the article on their User Page. [1] Edward321 (talk) 23:35, 1 August 2008 (UTC)

So why is this an issue? Can you please clear this up? Aren't people entitled to put whatever they want on a user page here?

I am trying to ask you a fair question here, not attack you.

Thanks. Witaku (talk) 10:43, 2 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

--- ADDED NOTE: When I read about the sandbox by the way, and what it was for, it said you could use your own user talk page as a "personal sandbox". So I was working on the article on my own page and then transferring the info to the article.

Why are you making this an issue?

Thanks. Witaku (talk) 12:19, 2 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Let it go dude. As the CREATOR of Nyrva Dragonrhyne, I would love to see an article about her and lots of pictures of here here in an article on Wikipedia. But as you can see bro, these folks don't like underground, independant artists. You're only going to get yourself kicked off of here if you attack them. For as you can see here, it's as you said to me, the "mob mentality". One guy says it so they all say it.

I really could care less if they delete it. I'm going to put my own page about Nyrva (and all my other characters) up on other pages. So you can wait for that if you like. Watch my DevArt page for the release!

Let it go here dude, you aren't going to win.

For what it's worth, like I told you they allow sites for movies or other things that haven't come out yet or aren't going to happen (Batman vs Superman -- to my disappointment! I really hoped they'd make that one!) these people are selective about what they will allow and what they won't.

You are wrong about one thing bro, I'm NOT going to waste my time and talent lampooning this site. I really could care less. And I'm Nyrva's CREATOR talking! I don't give a "rat's tail" about Wikipedia at all, or whether or not they let the article stay.

So let it drop dude. Let them delete the stupid thing. Quit bothering the admins, you won't change their minds.

'Nuff said!

-- The Legendary Neomorphasis-- CREATOR OF NYRVA DRAGONRHYNE!

Let it go, bro!

Neomorphasis (talk) 21:59, 1 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

• Strong Delete, perhaps salt. No sources, no indicating that it satisfies WP:N. meshach (talk) 15:12, 2 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.