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The result was keep owing to no consensus, borderline notability. Gwen Gale (talk) 01:09, 16 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Melanie Castleman (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) (delete) – (View log)

Non-notable songwriter. Was only nominated for a Grammy; unlike her husband, she didn't win one. No reliable sources to be found. Ten Pound Hammer and his otters • ^{(Broken clamshells•Otter chirps)} 04:56, 7 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

• Note: This debate has been included in the list of Bands and musicians-related deletion discussions. -- Ten Pound Hammer and his otters • ^{(Broken clamshells•Otter chirps)} 16:54, 7 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete neutral I haven't been able to find anything on her (also tried under her maiden name) - apart from news snippets simply listing the Grammy award nominations for 2007. There's considerably more coverage of her husband, Robert Lee Castleman, although his article currently has no references at all. Not only did one of his songs actually win a Grammy, he's also a solo performer. Voceditenore (talk) 17:50, 7 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Comment I think there is still a lack of non-trivial coverage of her as a person. Two of the three refs added to the article only mention her as the co-writer of one of the songs sung by the artist who is actually the topic of the article, e.g. Alan Jackson and Alison Krauss. The third does have a comment specifically about the song "Red Rose", but the article is only 174 words long and appears to have a one-liner for each of the nominated songs. Looking at the notability criteria for composers and lyricists, only two could possibly be used for a keep (only one is needed).

1. Has credit for writing or co-writing either lyrics or music for a notable composition.
2. Has written a song or composition which has won (or in some cases been given a second or other place) in a major music competition not established expressly for newcomers.

Does the Grammy nomination (albeit not a win) satsify 2?

For 1, the relevant criteria for a notable song are:

"Songs that have been ranked on national or significant music charts, that have won significant awards or honors or that have been performed independently by several notable artists, bands or groups are probably notable."

The single "Red Rose" was ranked 23 for 4 weeks on Billboard's Hot Country Songs. Does that count? Dunno. I'm changing my vote to neutral for now. Voceditenore (talk) 09:13, 9 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

• Just now I've added a few references. I could not find an in-depth profile of her, but there are plenty of non-trivial mentions of her in articles about other people—enough for me to argue weak keep. Paul Erik ^{(talk)(contribs)} 18:19, 7 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

• All of the sources are trivial or pertain only to Like Red on a Rose. I still say delete. Ten Pound Hammer and his otters • ^{(Broken clamshells•Otter chirps)} 22:45, 7 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

• Risking an accusation of being a sexist, I propose merge/redirect to her husband - Robert Lee Castleman.--brewcrewer (yada, yada) 02:00, 8 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

• That works too. Ten Pound Hammer and his otters • ^{(Broken clamshells•Otter chirps)} 15:59, 8 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

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