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The result was delete. ✗plicit 00:09, 25 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Isaac Newton (disambiguation)[edit]

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All of these people have Newton as their middle name. Having these people at a dis-ambiguation page like this is an analogy to having Joe Biden as one of the entries of a dis-ambiguation page titled Joseph Robinette. We never expect biographical articles to be titled this way, so no one will expect any of these people other than the early 18th century scientist to be at Isaac Newton; he's the only person on this page whose last name is Newton. Georgia guy (talk) 23:57, 17 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

• Oops; after careful looking I found an exception:

  Isaac Newton (agriculturalist) (1800–1867), first United States Secretary of Agriculture

  This means that we can delete this dis-ambiguation page and simply put a link to the agriculturalist at the top of the Isaac Newton article. That is, at the Isaac Newton article we can have a header saying Alternate meaning: Isaac Newton (agriculturalist). Georgia guy (talk) 00:01, 18 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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• Delete per nom. Middle names don't count. In addition to the agriculturalist, there are a whole host of things named after the alleged apple victim, but nothing else that I could dig up. I've already adjusted the hatnote accordingly. Clarityfiend (talk) 21:03, 18 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete Per the nom. All entries but two are irrelevant to this page, which isn't enough to warrant a dis-ambiguation page. Newshunter12 (talk) 02:27, 19 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete I agree with the reasons presented. Also the Issac Newton article is already appropriately hatnoted. --Bejnar (talk) 13:36, 23 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was keep. (non-admin closure) 🌀Locomotive207-talk🌀 23:09, 24 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

List of Indian film series[edit]

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Articles are not categories. Dronebogus (talk) 22:40, 17 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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• Keep. Just because something is a list, doesn't mean it should be deleted. Bkatcher (talk) 12:50, 18 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]
• Yes, articles are not categories. Wikipedia has rules about this (of course we have: we have rules about everything). In this case we have a guideline called Wikipedia:Categories, lists, and navigation templates, which has a paragraph that specifically addresses this situation. It reads:- It is neither improper nor uncommon to simultaneously have a category, a list, and a navigation template which all cover the same topic. These systems of organizing information are considered to be complementary, not inappropriately duplicative. Furthermore, arguing that a category duplicates a list (or vice versa) at a deletion discussion is not a valid reason for deletion and should be avoided. Redirects of list articles to categories are highly discouraged: list articles should take the place of the redirect. (This paragraph has its own shortcut at WP:NOTDUP.) And I agree with the rule here because I can see why it applies to this specific topic. Unlike categories, lists have the advantage that you can put citations in them, and we should definitely encourage that. So I'll go with keep.—S Marshall T/C 17:06, 18 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep You can't delete an article because you think it looks like a category, that not a valid reason to nominate something for deletion. This is a perfectly valid list article, and is more useful than a category because the films are separated clearly based on what series they are in. Dream Focus 07:14, 20 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep I agree it does not require deletion only because it happens to be a list. TheodoreIndiana (talk) 03:28, 23 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was no consensus. No prejudice against speedy renomination. Eddie891 ^Talk _Work 00:37, 25 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

EAST Initiative[edit]

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Notability concerns. No independent references, and the article is vaguely promotional. User:力 (power~enwiki, π, ν) 02:59, 24 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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• Comment: Earlier versions of the article (for example [1]) did include a list of papers: some of which may be just about the broad topic of technology in education but others appear to be the outcomes of research directly about EAST. AllyD (talk) 06:41, 24 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete- promotional article, lacks coverage in independent sources. MrsSnoozyTurtle 07:47, 24 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. ✗plicit 00:12, 25 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Zooel Morshed[edit]

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Clearly does not pass WP:NMUSIC Salimfadhley (talk) 21:56, 17 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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• Delete - part of an Iranian troll farm. Snackmurat (talk) 10:19, 18 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Not sure what you mean, he seems Bangali, not Iranian, although I agree to Delete. See below. Boredathome101 (talk) 03:46, 21 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

• Delete - I cannot find any significant news coverage and 3 citations is not enough meet notability. It maybe a case of WP:TOOSOON. Boredathome101 (talk) 03:46, 21 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. ✗plicit 00:12, 25 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Brawadis[edit]

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Youtuber of unclear notability outside of fanbase/gossip columns Iskandar323 (talk) 21:37, 17 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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• Delete. Does not meet WP:GNG. A passing mention in a student newspaper is far from significant coverage. --Kinu ^t/_c 18:29, 18 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete no indication of notability. Mccapra (talk) 08:54, 24 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was keep. Geschichte (talk) 18:04, 24 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Cristina Mel[edit]

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BLP. Only reference is her own, rather outdated website. Maybe notable but needs references. Rathfelder (talk) 19:32, 17 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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• Comment. The article could be expanded from pt:Cristina_Mel the corresponding article in the Portuguese Wikipedia, which happens to have 15 references. Eastmain (talk • contribs) 20:40, 17 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep The results in Google News at least establish WP:GNG. Aman Kumar Goel ^(Talk) 09:25, 18 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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• Keep per Aman Kumar Goel. desmay (talk) 15:54, 21 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep- Google news shows many articles. She seems to be a well known celebrity in Portugal.

Check: [2],[3], [4] and [5]Mommmyy (talk) 04:48, 22 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

• Keep, as there are enough news articles for GNGJackattack1597 (talk) 16:15, 24 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. ✗plicit 00:13, 25 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Alexander Tolstoy[edit]

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No significant coverage and only one role listed on IMDb. SL93 (talk) 18:53, 17 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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• Delete a single role is not sufficient to make him notable. Mccapra (talk) 08:57, 24 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete I can’t see that he meets WP:NACTOR or WP:NBASIC. --Malcolmxl5 (talk) 20:58, 24 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. Noting also the copyvio issue. Malcolmxl5 (talk) 18:13, 24 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Ngcoya clan[edit]

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No sources. No indication of notability per WP:N. Appears to contain original research (WP:OR). At best, redirect to Mpondo people, but the connection is tenuous based solely on the text of this article, as this clan offshoot is not really detailed in the Mpondo article. Geoff | ^{Who, me?} 17:17, 17 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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• Delete I can't find anything in RS about Ngcoya except as a surname of authors of scholarly works. Unless there is WP:SIGCOV, WP cannot host clan genealogies (especially without a single source to ensure WP:V). –Austronesier (talk) 18:05, 17 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete. No sources have been provided at all, and the content here is not particularly informative to readers unfamiliar with the topic. --Metropolitan90 (talk) 18:20, 17 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]
• The topic is very notable amongst my whole clan, literally almost everyone I know in with my surname has been to this site several times. And the information about how it was created. And there is evidence backing it up, you can read up on the following sites to read it:

http://ngcai.blogspot.com/2008/09/praise-names-of-ngcoya.html?m=1

http://www.wakahina.co.za/listings/n/surname/notununu

http://dictionary.sensagent.com/ngcoya/en-en/ — Preceding unsigned comment added by Ngcoyamilo (talk • contribs) 10:54, 18 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

• The first is a blog and not a RS. Most of the content of the WP page was ripped verbatim from that blog, so this is a big WP:COPYVIO, and further not sufficient to establish notability. For the second, see WP:EXIST. The third source is an obvious WP:mirror of the WP article. –Austronesier (talk) 11:10, 18 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • I agree with Austronesier's assessment of the sources. http://dictionary.sensagent.com/ngcoya/en-en/ even says on the page, "From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia" to indicate that they got their content from here. The copyvio was introduced into the article in this edit and was removed but later re-added back. --Metropolitan90 (talk) 14:30, 18 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete - Uncited junk in an unencyclopedic tone. Even if the subject is notable, this calls for WP:TNT. Iskandar323 (talk) 17:10, 22 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was soft delete. Based on minimal participation, this uncontroversial nomination is treated as an expired PROD (a.k.a. "soft deletion"). Editors can request the article's undeletion. ✗plicit 00:14, 25 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

True Manufacturing[edit]

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I didn't find significant, independent coverage in reliable sources. MarioGom (talk) 16:43, 17 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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• Delete - Need reliable sources to meet the notability guidelines.Mommmyy (talk) 20:07, 22 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. ✗plicit 00:16, 25 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Solv[edit]

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I am wondering what makes this company notable to be able to have a stand alone article on Wikipedia? Surya^{beej   ⋠talk⋡} 16:02, 17 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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• Delete Press releases are not reliable sources. Aman Kumar Goel ^(Talk) 02:59, 18 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]
• Draftify Times of India and Business Standard can be considered as reliable local news media. But it still lacks reference from reliable sources.Mommmyy (talk) 19:14, 22 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]
• Comment: Before creating the current mainspace article about an Indian e-commerce platform, the new editor who created it first appropriated and then blanked the pre-existing Draft:Solv, which hitherto had been about a US-based health firm of the same name: [6]. I am dubious about the notability of that firm either, though some coverage can be found, but have restored its draft. AllyD (talk) 12:52, 23 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete: A promotionally-worded presentation of a new platform's market proposition. The available coverage is routine, falling under trivial coverage at WP:CORPDEPTH, aside perhaps from the Business Standard piece (23 April 21) reporting speculation by "sources" about its future. If there was an article about Standard Chartered's SC Ventures then it might have provided a suitable redirect target, but I am not seeing the coverage needed to demonstrate attained notability (WP:NCORP/WP:GNG). AllyD (talk) 12:53, 23 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. Malcolmxl5 (talk) 15:58, 24 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

International Singer-Songwriters Association[edit]

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I did not find any reliable source coverage beyond some passing mentions about awards they organize. MarioGom (talk) 15:54, 17 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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• Delete I am unable to find any significant coverage of this organization. Does not meet WP:CORP or WP:GNG. Schazjmd (talk) 16:20, 17 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete. Of the citations in this article, most are to the organization's own website, one is to the founder's own website, and the other two are irrelevant, not mentioning this organization. I did find some articles from local newspapers which mention that a local musician had been nominated for an award by this organization, but the articles I saw didn't cover the awards in general, only their local musician's nominations. --Metropolitan90 (talk) 18:33, 17 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete I also could not find much news on them. Does not meet WP:GNG. Lesliechin1 (talk) 03:12, 21 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. ✗plicit 00:17, 25 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Hu Wang[edit]

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Not notable Chinese businessman. Bbarmadillo (talk) 15:49, 17 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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• Delete per nom. Rexh17 (talk) 19:40, 17 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

• Comment. You should first search for his Chinese name, which I think is 王虎 Eastmain (talk • contribs) 21:09, 17 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete Significant coverage in multiple independent reliable sources is required to demonstrate notability as a businessman. Brayan ocaner (talk) 23:40, 18 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was speedy deleted per WP:A7. (non-admin closure) – The Grid (talk) 13:40, 19 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Tom Carnahan[edit]

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Non-notable see Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Tom Carnahan Barrettmagic ^Talk 15:48, 17 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

• Blocked sock/compromised account. --Blablubbs (talk) 13:00, 19 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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• Speedy delete per WP:CSD#G4. The creator was already warned previously. – The Grid (talk) 17:42, 18 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]
• Speedy delete per WP:G4 and WP:SALT the namespace. Best, GPL93 (talk) 18:59, 18 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]
• Speedy delete per above.Brayan ocaner (talk) 23:42, 18 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]
• Speedy delete and salt per above. LSGH (talk) (contributions) 05:00, 19 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was keep. Tone 07:36, 25 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Singhu Border Lynching (2021)[edit]

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Fails WP:EVENT and WP:EVENTCRIT this reads like a news story which has not yet proven enough lasting significance to warrant it's own article. If it is connected with the protests it can be added to 2020–2021 Indian farmers' protest but I don't see the link being made only that it was in the vicinity. McMatter ^(talk)/_(contrib) 15:37, 17 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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• Delete because Wikipedia criteria WP:EVENT and WP:EVENTCRIT listed above are not met. This article is in clear violation of Wikipedia criteria about Wikipedia:NOT#NEWS. All the newspapers used in citation are reporting a crime or talking about the alleged accused, which is not yet proven in court. The event must demonstrate Lasting effects according to WP:LASTING. So far it has not been demonstrated that this criteria is met. A duplicate article for this event was already rejected, at Draft:2021 lynching and killing of dalit by farm protestors, and this has been moved regardless. So this should deleted. Venkat TL (talk) 16:10, 17 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Unfair to Call it a duplicate article, comparing with a deleted article, which cannot be viewed now. Also, the scope and coverage of this article is much more broader than the deleted article, which had a limited view of the incident with few sources, while this article has many high quality WP:RS sources and addresses the issue in a broader manner. Dhy.rjw (talk) 06:01, 18 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

• Oppose Deletion of this article: Singhu border lynching (2021) for the following reasons:

This is one of the MOST Horrific MURDER in India in recent times, a brutal lynching and murder of an discriminated and protected class Dalit youth Lakhbir Singh, who was murdered in broad day light by a group of radicals. The page created and then reviewed (& approved) by editor Hughesdarren After the page was reviewed, another User: Venkat TL moves the article to Deletion Draft by giving a very vague reason that Wikipedia is not News, and cannot be used for a single event. There are thousands of Wiki pages on similar single incidents of Rapes, Murders and Lynching, that are widely reported in WP:RS. I present some examples of similar single events (not proven in Court) in India with Wiki pages:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2020_Hathras_gang_rape_and_murder https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2019_Hyderabad_gang_rape_and_murder https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Balrampur_gang_rape https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lakhimpur_Kheri_massacre https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kerala_snakebite_murder https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2021_Rohini_Court_Shooting

Considering all this, I don't see any logical reason to delete this page, other than to hide a Major Story from Wiki due to malicious intentions. This is a crucial incident widely reported in WP:RS sources in which a person from a protected class "Dalit" has been brutaly lynched and murdered. I hope you can revert this article back and save from deletion. Dhy.rjw (talk) 19:56, 17 October 2021 (UTC)

• Keep Satisifes WP:GNG with a decent list of reliable secondary sources including The Indian Express, Tribune India, India Today, Hindustan Times and The Economic Times. Regards. Hughesdarren (talk) 21:43, 17 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

  GNG alone, is not the criteria to meet here, events have a specific criteria to reach the inclusion threshold. That criteria is WP:EVENTCRIT. The thing we are missing right now is enduring significance or lasting effect. I'm not saying this won't become a notable event only that it is not yet proven to meet our criteria. McMatter ^(talk)/_(contrib) 01:27, 18 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

  So you do agree that the article does meet WP:GNG? Note that in Wikipedia:Notability (events) it states as the criteria for inclusion: Events are probably notable if they have enduring historical significance and meet the general notability guideline, or if they have a significant lasting effect (I've added the bolding to "if" for emphasis). Also, Events are also very likely to be notable if they have widespread (national or international) impact and were very widely covered in diverse sources, especially if also re-analyzed afterwards (as described below). This is definitely the case for this article. Hughesdarren (talk) 08:42, 23 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

*Keep Satisifes WP:GEOSCOPE Over 15 Dalit Organizations across the world, demand strict action on the incident https://www.tribuneindia.com/news/nation/15-dalit-outfits-demand-strict-action-against-culprits-of-singhu-border-lynching-325420

Reported by Reuters International https://www.reuters.com/world/india/indian-police-probe-murder-farmers-protest-site-detain-suspect-2021-10-16/

News reported in over 10 different states and regional language media across Asia. https://newsable.asianetnews.com/india/nihang-brutality-at-singhu-border-latest-developments-in-the-murder-case-vpn-r13ros Dhy.rjw (talk) 22:14, 17 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

*Keep Satisifes WP:DEPTH and WP:PERSISTENCE The Incident's long term impacts are being discussed in Editorials and Opinions in top national publications, Indian Express , The Hindu and others https://indianexpress.com/article/opinion/editorials/singhu-border-lynching-skm-7573973/ https://www.thehindu.com/opinion/editorial/a-murder-most-foul-the-hindu-editorial-on-the-lynching-of-dalit-man-at-the-singhu-border-farmer-protest-site/article37045285.ece Dhy.rjw (talk) 22:18, 17 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

*Keep Satisifes WP:CONTINUEDCOVERAGE New issues related to incident & it's investigation are getting continued coverage; and related case being heard in India's Supreme Court, the highest court of the nation https://www.jurist.org/news/2021/10/india-supreme-court-is-petitioned-to-stop-ongoing-farm-protests-after-lynching-of-dalit-laborer/ https://www.thehindu.com/news/national/singhu-border-lynching-3-accused-sent-to-police-remand-2-sits-conducting-probe/article37040110.ece Dhy.rjw (talk) 22:22, 17 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

I have taken the liberty to strike all your keep votes except for the first one. You are free to add to your comment but not to continue to vote with each addition. McMatter ^(talk)/_(contrib) 01:13, 18 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

• Keep Easily passes WP:EVENT. Enough citations from reliable independent sources are available to justify its notability and hence passes WP:GNG. NarangD (talk) 03:48, 18 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

• Keep for now. I am opposed to creation of single death events that may happen often but we also have other similar articles surrounding this subject like Tabrez Ansari lynching. It should be kept for now given the massive coverage, and a opposition leader too has asked for investigation.[7] Aman Kumar Goel ^(Talk) 03:57, 18 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

• Comment: Agreed with Aman.kumar.goel, If an article is available for another Lynching case Tabrez Ansari lynching, This article also passes WP:EVENT. NarangD (talk) 05:52, 18 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

• Comment: After several days of event coverage, there is clear evidence that this event satisfies WP:EVENTCRIT as below:

1. The Incident's long term impacts are being discussed in Editorials and OPINION pieces in top national publications, Indian Express , The Hindu and others https://indianexpress.com/article/opinion/editorials/singhu-border-lynching-skm-7573973/ https://www.thehindu.com/opinion/editorial/a-murder-most-foul-the-hindu-editorial-on-the-lynching-of-dalit-man-at-the-singhu-border-farmer-protest-site/article37045285.ece

2. Event related issues are being heard in India's Supreme Court, where only the MOST IMPORTANT issues are heard. https://www.jurist.org/news/2021/10/india-supreme-court-is-petitioned-to-stop-ongoing-farm-protests-after-lynching-of-dalit-laborer/

3. There is CONTINUED Coverage of the event in print, electronic and social media: https://www.tribuneindia.com/news/haryana/singhu-lynching-3-accused-sent-to-police-remand-2-sits-conducting-probe-325811 https://www.thehindu.com/news/national/singhu-border-lynching-3-accused-sent-to-police-remand-2-sits-conducting-probe/article37040110.ece https://thewire.in/government/singhu-border-lynching-one-more-arrested-two-more-from-nihang-order-surrender — Preceding unsigned comment added by Dhy.rjw (talk • contribs) 06:36, 18 October 2021 (UTC) Dhy.rjw (talk) 06:38, 18 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

• Keep: Has been covered consistently for several days now here in India; the incident certainly has gained WP:LASTING notability (i.e. passes NEVENT). Article is admittedly pretty bare-bones, but that is not an argument for deletion: except in cases of BLP violations, spam and other cases of WP:TNT, articles are generally not deleted because of content problems, as they can be fixed in non-TNT cases; and this article is pretty far from being a TNT case. JavaHurricane 06:41, 18 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

• Keep: The incident is significant as it is an act of terrorism against marginalized Dalits by Sikh extremists. The incident satisfies "significant coverage" and "reliable" criteria of WP:GNG as of 10/18/2021, 8:30AM PST:

https://economictimes.indiatimes.com/news/india/dalit-organisations-approach-supreme-court-commission-demand-extensive-probe-into-singhu-lynching/articleshow/87098517.cms https://www.hindustantimes.com/cities/chandigarh-news/singhu-border-lynching-national-sc-commission-seeks-report-from-haryana-police-101634326560310.html https://www.thehitavada.com/Encyc/2021/10/18/2-SITs-to-investigate-Singhu-border-lynching-case.html TallMegan (talk) 15:32, 18 October 2021 (UTC)TallMegan[reply]

• keep The incident satisfies depth, diversity and duration of coverage WP:INDEPTH, WP:CONTINUEDCOVERAGE / WP:PERSISTENCE and WP:DIVERSE because of all the references cited. Further, the incident is important as the Sikh Extremist group has warned [1 that anyone found disrespecting their literature will meet the same fate] of being brutally killed as the Dalit victim. Hence in public interest, we should report this incident.

1. https://www.firstpost.com/india/singhu-border-lynching-arrested-nihang-sikh-unrepentant-says-all-sacrilege-accused-will-meet-same-fate-two-more-surrender-10062241.html

This kind of behavior is nothing new. The Nihang's have been known to commit such atrocities [2] however such incidents have remained poorly reported. That is where Wikipedia can provide a better historical record.

2. https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/city/chandigarh/nihangs-cut-off-hand-of-policeman-after-scuffle-in-vegetable-market/articleshow/75104243.cms

Further comment: Venkat TL is zealously deleting any reference to this article and even had me banned as per 3RR rule -- his actions to had this article for deletion is resulting in considerable work by all of us who agree that this article must be published. I think we should report VenkatTL appropriately for vandalism by deletion of important content which can save people's lives. Isn't that Wikipedia's goal ? to make our lives better ? In public interest, this article should be published so no one else falls victim to Nihang extremist Sikhs. Rob108 (talk) 01:19, 19 October 2021 (UTC)Rob108[reply]

@Rob108: First I would recommend you be careful about accusations and attempts to gather a mob to report a user, please remember WP:AGF. Wikipedia's purpose is to write about notable topics based on what reliable sources have said about them. It is not to make people's lives better, advocate for anything and not a historical record. We are not concerned with the public's interest, that is for the police or some other site. It is not a soapbox platform. McMatter ^(talk)/_(contrib) 02:30, 19 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Concur with Mcmatter on this. @Rob108: see WP:RGW and WP:CANVAS. JavaHurricane 07:21, 19 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Java McMatter Thanks for the comments, I will assume good faith. However, recently again, my properly sourced additions were reverted by Venkat TL with a two word explanation 'says who?' -- he should look at sources before deleting content. It takes lot of effort to add content and it is frustrating to see the content removed without any reason or specific reference to wikipedia policies. Rob108 (talk) 03:15, 20 October 2021 (UTC)TallMegan[reply]

• Keep per WP:RAPID high profile murder passes WP:GNG.Now the question whether it will be WP:LASTING can be determined only months after this but with the trial yet to begin there will more coverage.Pharaoh of the Wizards (talk) 21:34, 19 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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Ubadah[edit]

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WP:DIRECTORY like list with insufficient sourcing to establish either accuracy or notability. Iskandar323 (talk) 15:07, 17 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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• Delete, fails WP:NOTDIRECTORY, a huge list of little known items. Creator is indefinitely blocked. Geschichte (talk) 07:35, 18 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was merge to Israel–United Arab Emirates relations. MBisanz ^talk 14:09, 26 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

UAE-Israel Business Council[edit]

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This was previously deleted on CSD G11 grounds, but was recreated and now reads nearly identically to what it read at the time it was tagged with db-spam. In the interest of giving the article and its now two-year-out-from-speedy-deletion existence, I'm listing here for community input. TomStar81 (Talk) 12:51, 3 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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• Keep Well sourced and notable. Can see no reason whatsoever for deletion.--Geewhiz (talk) 11:47, 4 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]
• Comment. I see two problems here: [1] Each paragraph has a header. Paragraphs should be written around an idea and section headers should integrate these ideas. [2] While the topic is notable, the Council is not mentioned in what is supposed to be its parent, the Israel–United Arab Emirates relations. One can be fixed and does not stop me from supporting a keep, two does as this makes it into an improper WP:SPINOFF. gidonb (talk) 11:57, 4 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

• Merge. Per my rational above, this article should be (substantially) merged into Israel–United Arab Emirates relations. gidonb (talk) 03:23, 22 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was no consensus. I can't find a keep consensus on the basis of often poor arguments, but there's clearly no consensus to delete or merge. Merger discussion can continue on the talk page. Sandstein 18:39, 23 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Python Software Foundation[edit]

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almost no independent references DGG ( talk ) 09:35, 3 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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• Keep, as I am quite sure the foundation responsible for one of the most popular programming languages[8][9][10] is sufficiently notable. It isn't unusual for a software platform to have a foundation article, such as Apache, .NET and F# to name a few. The fact the article needs development and additional referencing isn't a suitable rationale for removal. Bungle ^{(talk • contribs)} 16:39, 3 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

thereferences you cite are about the language, notthe foundation. Nobody is challenging that Python is notable . DGG ( talk ) 06:54, 5 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

I am aware the cites are for the language, which is why I say immediately beforehand "one of the most popular programming languages". I do feel this is a fairly important consideration. The foundation is responsible for it. If the AfD sways towards deletion, which I hope it doesn't, it could well question the integrity of the other "foundation" articles aforementioned. This article, like so many others, would indeed benefit from additional 3rd party referencing, but I don't accept the fairly vague rationale offered. Bungle ^{(talk • contribs)} 21:11, 5 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

• Merge or Redirect into Python (programming language). Based off of my reading of the sources, I can't say that the two would be independently notable. I also don't think that the Python language article is so long that length would become a problem. — Mikehawk10 (talk) 04:34, 10 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

• Keep certainly shouldn't be deleted outright; I don't think a merge to Python (programming language) would be an editorial improvement. User:力 (power~enwiki, π, ν) 01:08, 17 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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• Keep without merging. The computing world does not document iteself well outside of academia. However the Python Software Foundation is one of the computing nonprofits analyzed in
  • Jyh-An Lee (1 January 2012). Nonprofit Organizations and the Intellectual Commons. Edward Elgar Publishing. ISBN 978-1-78100-158-5. OCLC 1027550705..

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• Keep The Python programming language article is already lengthy, I don't think it needs more content merged into it. NemesisAT (talk) 11:34, 20 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. ✗plicit 11:07, 23 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Jonathan Potts[edit]

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Non-notable actor. On further research, can't find reliable sources that talks about this person. GeeJay24 (talk) 03:10, 10 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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• Delete - On Google search, there were no reliable sources for this subject that showed up. 210.178.110.229 (talk) 04:29, 18 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete: I could not find evidence of substantial coverage after doing a Google search. It seems like that this is an instance where an actor has received steady work, but has not attracted any public attention or interest (at least in the form of articles). He has a respectable career, and I find Beverly Hills Teens to be oddly fascinating lol, but there is not enough coverage to support him having his own article. Aoba47 (talk) 02:42, 23 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was keep. Tone 07:36, 25 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

List of Internet Relay Chat commands[edit]

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This is a very weird one, and I'm not even sure if this is the right venue for this, but couldn't find a better one. Right now this page contains a enormous list of IRC commands, but does not indicate why they are notable, as a list, in any way. On the other hand, its an easy look up, and is linked in multiple places across the wider Wikimedia verse, including Mediawikiwiki (see MediaWiki on IRC#Connecting to IRC), indicating there is a clear need and wish for a page such as this to exist. I therefore think the best solution, considering its, at least in my opinion, a non notable list, but is clearly wanted, would be to move it either into the Wikipedia: namespace, or to transwiki it to meta, which would be my preferred solution. -- Asartea ^{Talk | Contribs} 11:08, 10 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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• Delete Every messenger has commands, and we don't need page for each. ArvindPalaskar (talk) 15:41, 10 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete - Does not meet WP:LISTN. Onel5969 ^{TT me} 23:05, 11 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep Meets WP:LISTN. [11] [12] [13] [14] IRC is not a "messenger", it's a protocol. This is in principle no different from List of HTTP status codes which is also similarly referenced by RFC documents. – SD0001 (talk) 11:07, 12 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep per above keep Madbrad200 (talk) 14:52, 12 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep I agree. SD0001 makes a good case. Dream Focus 17:29, 12 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete per WP:NOTHOWTO. Ajf773 (talk) 09:31, 15 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

• Keep. As SD0001 notes, this passes WP:LISTN just as any list of protocols; all of which serve WP:LISTPURP#Information. It is not WP:NOTHOWTO because it is not a "guide" (i.e., there are no instructions to follow). -Tiredmeliorist (talk) 14:58, 18 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

• This is a list of commands and how they are used, including a reference to someones work describing them in further detail. How is it not a guide. Ajf773 (talk) 08:34, 19 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]
• So you're saying that, because this article references a guide, the entire article should be deleted? That seems a bit extreme, no? If you think the reference violates WP:V, why not WP:FIXTHEPROBLEM instead?

And anyway, as someone who hasn’t used IRC since like 2001, I forget how or where to use these commands. This article does nothing to help me. So if the title included the word "guide" I would take serious issue with that. -Tiredmeliorist (talk) 22:13, 19 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

• Keep per user:Tiredmeliorist. Christian75 (talk) 07:52, 19 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep, as it is a notable list topicJackattack1597 (talk) 16:15, 24 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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DJ Chacha[edit]

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Fails WP:GNG. The sources mentioned were just about her retrenchment on ABS-CBN and her welcome on Radyo5 92.3 News FM. SeanJ 2007 (talk) 07:34, 03 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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TZN Xenna[edit]

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Fails WP:GNG. No references Imcdc (talk) 03:51, 3 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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• Keep. Based on sources on pl wiki article and a simple BEFORE in GBooks/Gscholar, this band seems to be a significant part of the history of the Polish punk music scene. In my few minutes of search I did not stumble upon an in-depth source, but I wasn't opening each and every article - there are dozens of works that mention it. A claim of significance is seen in many of them; for example in here: "Dezerter began playing (initially as SS-20) in May 1981 and is next to TZN Xenna the most important band to hail from Warsaw of the 1980s.". This scholarly article (in Polish) has a page-long paragraph dedicated to Xenna's works (discussing their anti-communist theme). The article can be tagged for improvement but should not be deleted, and the nom's rationale indicates an obvious and sad fail at BEFORE. --_{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here} 07:34, 3 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]
• Comment - The subject is probably notable, as Piotrus illustrated above, but more sources added to the article - would be helpful. - GizzyCatBella🍁 15:23, 9 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was keep. (non-admin closure) 🌀Locomotive207-talk🌀 23:13, 24 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Spyce (software)[edit]

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Fails WP:GNG. Only reference is to its own page. Imcdc (talk) 03:42, 3 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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• Keep. I added some references. This is not the same as Spyce Kitchen. Eastmain (talk • contribs) 05:03, 3 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

• Keep thanks to expansion by Eastmain. NemesisAT (talk) 12:13, 21 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. Malcolmxl5 (talk) 13:30, 24 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Geetika Mehandru[edit]

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Fails WP:NACTOR, Fails WP:GNG Barrettmagic ^Talk 13:04, 17 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

• Blocked sock. --Blablubbs (talk) 13:02, 19 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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• Delete: No evidence of playing any significant roles, -- Ab207 (talk) 15:11, 17 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete Autobiographic article of non notable actress, fails WP:NACTOR, no roles of any significance yet, WP:TOOSOON.Theroadislong (talk) 16:02, 17 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete: TOOSOON, the roles are minor, no evidence of GNG JW 1961 ^Talk 22:19, 17 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete : Fails WP:NACTOR. --Agnihothri Sharath (talk) 01:56, 18 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete: Not notable. Unable to meet WP:NACTOR.Advait (talk) 11:18, 18 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete: As above - nothing to show WP:NACTOR or WP:GNG has been met Ravensfire (talk) 16:04, 18 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

why deletion ? this all true info added so please check — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2402:8100:23C8:3980:C038:A01C:D5C1:BBF2 (talk) 04:38, 19 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

• Delete: She does not have significant roles in the movies. Eevee01^(talk) 09:41, 19 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete simply resonating with everyone else. Nothing more to say. Nomadicghumakkad (talk) 20:15, 19 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete Clearly doesn't meet any notability guideline.Brayan ocaner (talk) 05:39, 22 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete: No evidence of any notability. Fails both WP:GNG and WP:NACTOR.-- Umakant Bhalerao (talk) 06:59, 22 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. Malcolmxl5 (talk) 13:30, 24 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Dallas W. Anderson[edit]

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Fails WP:GNG and WP:NBUSINESSPERSON. Heck, most of the article is about the company he founded, not him. Clarityfiend (talk) 12:57, 17 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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• Delete nothing to see there rsjaffe 🗩 🖉 15:38, 17 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]
• Speedy delete under G11, unambiguous promotion or advertising. --Lockley (talk) 18:13, 19 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete no indication of notability for this subject. Mccapra (talk) 09:31, 24 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was speedy delete as a hoax. ✗plicit 14:16, 17 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Ashton F.C.[edit]

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A lot of the claims in the article are exaggerated so I tagged this as WP:G3 under hoax grounds, which the creator has vehemently denied is the case. If this club does indeed exist and meets WP:GNG, then we can stubify the article and remove all of the unsourced nonsense. A WP:BEFORE search is extremely challenging as all I can find is info relating to Ashton United F.C. and Curzon Ashton F.C..

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• Delete - no evidence of notability. GiantSnowman 13:14, 17 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete: Delete per nominator, I have CSD'd some of these creations earlier, looks like they are hoaxes (some articles just had one word like Hi) - at the very least they are disruptive JW 1961 ^Talk 13:23, 17 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. Vanamonde (Talk) 12:06, 24 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

237Showbiz[edit]

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This article does not indicate significant coverage and looks like its just doing self promotions so, I think it should be deleted or moved to the sand box again. Barrettmagic ^Talk 11:45, 17 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

• Blocked sock. --Blablubbs (talk) 13:03, 19 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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• Delete - highly promotional. Deb (talk) 12:12, 17 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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• Delete This is puffery and advertising. --Whiteguru (talk) 20:35, 17 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was soft delete. Based on minimal participation, this uncontroversial nomination is treated as an expired PROD (a.k.a. "soft deletion"). Editors can request the article's undeletion. ✗plicit 00:20, 25 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Al-Sawatra[edit]

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This article is a work in progress and should likely either be deleted so that the author is encouraged to rebuild it based on better sources, if they wish, or incubated safely away from mainspace until it is in better shape. Iskandar323 (talk) 11:42, 17 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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Scratch that, the author has since been banned, so incubation would not help. I suppose deletion or reduction to a stub are really the only routes forward. Interested in the consensus on whether any of these sources are valid first. Iskandar323 (talk) 14:49, 17 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

• Delete Delete as lacking proper sources. If there is a valid topic here the article will need to be recreated from scratch anyway. Mccapra (talk) 09:33, 24 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was speedy keep per WP:SK#1. A valid rationale for deletion relative to Wikipedia's Wikipedia:Deletion policy is not present. See WP:DEL-REASON for examples of valid rationales. North America¹⁰⁰⁰ 13:04, 17 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Metropolitan Gazette[edit]

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Article has no sources. SeanJ 2007 (talk) 10:51, 17 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was speedy delete. WP:G7'd ~TNT (she/her • talk) 14:05, 17 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Ranveer Singh (Author)[edit]

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non notable British writer/Author fails WP:GNG and WP:NAUTHOR. NarangD (talk) 10:39, 17 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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• Speedy delete CSD G7 author has requested deletion JW 1961 ^Talk 11:54, 17 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

@Joseywales1961:, Please remove this comment. That G7 tag was done by me. Sorry for my mistake. Fade258 (talk) 12:08, 17 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Fade258 Hi, I added the CSD G7 tag following the creators comment delete page? see page history JW 1961 ^Talk 12:59, 17 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

@Joseywales1961:, No, You misunderstood. That tag was done by me. See the page history and my CSD log beacuse the reason left by me was same. Fade258 (talk) 13:51, 17 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was soft delete. Based on minimal participation, this uncontroversial nomination is treated as an expired PROD (a.k.a. "soft deletion"). Editors can request the article's undeletion. ✗plicit 11:12, 24 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Marcello Gil[edit]

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BLP without any proper references. Rathfelder (talk) 09:46, 17 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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• Delete - Google search brings up nothing but some self made profiles. Boredathome101 (talk) 04:11, 21 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. ✗plicit 11:00, 24 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

1994 United States Soccer Federation presidential election[edit]

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There is simply no reason to have a standalone article about this. Nothing that can't or shouldn't be covered elsewhere. Geschichte (talk) 09:16, 17 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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• Delete per nom. WP:TRIVIA. No Great Shaker (talk) 10:54, 17 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete, trivial and not needed. Can be covered in the federation and relevant bios.--Mvqr (talk) 12:03, 17 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete - no evidence of notability. GiantSnowman 13:14, 17 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete WP:TRIVIA, fails WP:GNG. All the other United States Soccer Federation presidential elections (there seems to be an article for every 4 years around these years) also fail WP:GNG too. Joseph2302 (talk) 08:19, 18 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete or merge content into United States Soccer Federation#Leadership. Same rationale as Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/2014 United States Soccer Federation presidential election. I could see a procedural keep as nom does not indicate any reason for deletion, however we and subsequent commenters agree that this shouldn't be a standalone article. For me, this fails WP:COVERAGE and WP:EVENT. That said, the choosing of leadership at a major organization such as the USSF shouldn't go unnoticed and I feel the best landing spot for this would be the Leadership section of USSF as linked earlier. GauchoDude (talk) 12:58, 19 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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Luiz de Carvalho[edit]

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Only reference, which doesnt work, seems to be to his church website. Rathfelder (talk) 09:10, 17 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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• Delete - agree with the nominator. Non-notable. Boredathome101 (talk) 08:49, 21 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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Third World Network[edit]

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Unclear notability. The organization clearly exists and publishes its own material. However, the material on this page is unsourced, does not really explain the organization or what it does or establish clear notability. Even if the consensus is keep, it would seem wise to reduce this article to a stub based on the few available facts and let it be built back up from the ground up, if and when significant new sources arises. Iskandar323 (talk) 08:10, 17 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. ✗plicit 11:26, 24 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Marion Baumann-Parkhurst[edit]

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Without any desire to diminish the trials that the subject of this article went through in their life, their experience is not unique and the only case for the notability of this article appears to be a standalone self-published work. Iskandar323 (talk) 07:48, 17 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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@DGG @Whpq Just nominated this article for deletion before realising that it has apparently come back from the grave. I would re-nominate it for speedy deletion based on it being restored deleted content, but that was in 2009, I can't see the old content, and I'm not sure if there is a statute of limitations for things like this. Please advise. Iskandar323 (talk) 07:56, 17 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Comment To clarify, this article went through AfD in 2009 and the consensus was for deletion. It has since been created, with what sounds like much the same, limited, self-published sourcing for which it was deleted in the first place. Iskandar323 (talk) 14:52, 17 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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• Comment There is this source: Author looks for release from Bergen-Belsen memories (Santa Cruz Sentinel, 2008, updated 2018) that highlights the significance of surviving and writing two books about The Holocaust, and seems like a start to supporting WP:AUTHOR notability, which requires one work or a collective body of work, and makes no apparent distinction with regard to whether or not the work is self-published. Beccaynr (talk) 14:37, 17 October 2021 (UTC) Her first book is also in the collection of the United States Holocaust Memorial Museum. Beccaynr (talk) 14:52, 17 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete The normal notability standard for NAUTHOR is two successful books from significant publishers, each with multiple reviews. The one book possibility is there because it sometimes but rarely happens that a person publishes a single book, and becomes very notable for it , like Margaret Mitchell with Gone with the Wind. (anyway, The subject in fact only wrote one book, in two volumes). Almost always self-published books don't count for notability by NAUTHOR , again with exceptions-many books before the 19th century were self published , and some authors have preferred it. like Rombauer's The Joy of Cooking. (We have 117 articles about notable self-published books in WP out of our 24,766 articles on notable books). Otherwise anyone with a thousand dollars could be notable. (Or even less, if the internet counts.) The provision for works in museums applies to only artist's books, which are usually an assembly of images in book form rather than a book intended to be read in the usual way.

Her book has almost never been read, because it is only two libraries--a library that tries to collect every possible book by a Holocaust survivor (they have about 230,000), and her home town library. DGG ( talk ) 16:34, 17 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

• Delete. The content of the article deleted in 2009 was fairly similar to this one, except that the Santa Cruz Sentinel citation has been added. But it doesn't appear that this author should be considered notable per WP:NAUTHOR. --Metropolitan90 (talk) 18:51, 17 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was keep. MBisanz ^talk 14:08, 26 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Peter Freeman (musician)[edit]

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Non-notable musician. Only got attention for his work on the album The Vertical Collection with Jon Hassell. There are no RS in the article: only the two interviews give any biographical informations, and they almost all come from his own month. One of the interviews is done alongside Hassell. The other interview is in a non-notable publication and notes that his work with Hassell as his main contribution to the musical world. The interviewer also says she spoke to Freeman before, for an article on Hassel's work. That article doesn't mention Freeman at all.

Freeman died six month ago, but I didn't find this being reported in any RS. You can only see his death being reported on content farm websites. Mottezen (talk) 06:44, 17 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete I agree with the nomination this guy really has not made any significant contribution to music. He does not have any awards or anything. Does not pass WP:GNG --Rrmmll22 (talk) 02:26, 18 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Keep and improve I disagree with both the proposer and the first response above. The history of early electronic music and the people who contributed to it is not very well documented, but the scope of Freeman's contributions shown in the filmography is both impressive and interesting. It is easy for some Wikipedians to say "non-notable" and simply scrapping this on the basis of "I couldn't find any sources so there must be none" for a new article is one of the banes of the Wikipedia. This isn't a vanity article; the subject is dead. The proposer asserts that a publication is "non-notable" but that again is just an assertion. Yes, the article needs more citations. The right thing to do is to flag the article for improvement, not for summery deletion. -- Evertype·✆ 19:15, 19 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Keep and improve per Evertype above. To declare my COI, Peter and I were in a relationship during the last months of his life, and we were friends for longer. I am still absolutely distraught, six months after his death. As a musician and innovator, he kept very much to himself but he had influence far beyond that which appears in public sources. He was a software innovator and was a key contributor to Looperverse, and to software developed by AVID. His influence on Jon's music was significant, and you can hear it in Maarifa Street, to give one example. Not just as a musician but also a co-producer, for which he was credited. His memorial service was a who's-who of musical innovators and people he worked with for years. Elliott Sharp said yesterday that Peter "made electrons sing". There is unreleased music of his that will see the light of day. And so on. I know the rules on WP - I've been here nearly 18 years myself - and know that the measure of a person is more than the sum of the WP:RS you can find via Google. Anyways, I've said too much - Alison ^❤ 00:37, 20 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

• The music he was involved in was pretty niche in the first place, but there are interviews dating back over a decade. Here's one ("he likes to stay behind the scenes and not be noticed [..] for the last 17 years has been the bass player and sound manipulator behind Jon Hassell") that's on blogspot, which doesn't meet WP:RS on the surface, until you see that it's Hans Stoeve, who ran a world music radio program on 2SER for many years. Ndeya Records, Jon's own label, referred to him as "A close musical collaborator with Jon Hassell for over 25 years". Much of this is obscure, especially for someone who's not just a musician, but a mixing engineer, producer and sound creator. There's so much focus on charts musicians and rockstars that are in popular genres and hug the limelight, but there's way more to music than just that - Alison ^❤ 01:37, 20 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]
• "[... both Peter and guitarist Rick Cox could be thought of as Jon's go to sonic cinematographers [...] They are both such creative and giving creatures and great sounding boards for Jon's directorial vision"] - Hugh Marsh. All these quotes and snippets add up to a much bigger picture. Again, someone will declare this not a WP:RS, but then again, it's Hugh Marsh who's speaking - Alison ^❤ 02:06, 20 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Keep and improve as per Evertype, it seems a disservice to a niche topic area and someone who from their discography and collaborations was high profile/prolific in their music genre to just slap a deletion tag on it. His name makes searching efficiently online slightly challenging without doing more serious amounts of due diligence. Smirkybec (talk) 10:02, 20 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Keep and improve as per Evertype and Smirkybec, et al. Niche musicians may not get the kind of traditional coverage that mainstream musicians get but that doesn't diminish their contributions and so we need to broaden our definition of what is a reliable source to accommodate this - in 2021, blogs by notable commentators have to be looked at differently than how we looked at blogs ten years ago. Yes, let's try to improve this piece with more and "better" sources, but deleting it is utterly uncalled for. Tvoz/talk 21:07, 20 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. ✗plicit 11:00, 24 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Luis David Serrano[edit]

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Non-notable boxer who never won a title as a pro, failing WP:NBOX. JTtheOG (talk) 05:37, 17 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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• Delete: Per nom. His challenge for the WBC Silver title doesn't satisfy NBOX. Regardless, I couldn't find anything to satisfy GNG. – ².O.^Boxing 10:51, 19 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete Agree with Squared.Circle.Boxing that he fails both WP:NBOX and WP:GNG. His boxing record looks less impressive when you look at his 14 fights preceding his bout with Medina and find his opponents had a total of 16 wins out of 101 fights. Papaursa (talk) 15:50, 19 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was keep. Concerns that the subject fails WP:GNG due to lack of coverage in secondary sources were successfully rebutted by the evidence provided by James500. A merge to Road Traffic Act 1988 may still be preferable but that is a decision best settled outside of AFD. Editors can pursue that path through a merge proposal if desired. (non-admin closure) 4meter4 (talk) 23:47, 25 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Driving Instructors (Registration) Act 2016[edit]

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Article on a non-notable statute, sourced entirely to Hansard and text of the statute itself. (And therefore WP:OR.) AFAIK, statutes are subject to the same notability standards as any other topic, and this one fails WP:GNG. AleatoryPonderings (???) (!!!) 04:56, 17 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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• Keep We are all expected to know the law of the land and so calling this OR is absurd. It's sensible to use the actual statute as a source and it's not difficult to find more sources such as this and that. Andrew🐉(talk) 09:48, 17 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • It is not at all absurd to call this original research—describing a statute, or any written work, purely by reference to its text, as opposed to secondary sources discussing it, is textbook OR. The first source is pretty good but it's one paragraph (page 125). The second "source" is a PowerPoint presentation of no clear reliability. AleatoryPonderings (???) (!!!) 13:16, 17 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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• Strong keep - this is primary legislation, so definitely keep. It would stand even without sourcing. Iskandar323 (talk) 15:50, 17 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

• According to what policy is an article about primary legislation, or any other kind of legislation for that matter, an automatic keep? AleatoryPonderings (???) (!!!) 16:29, 17 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

• Comment by Article Creator Firstly just wanted to note my conflict on comment here due to being the original page creator (albeit some time ago). My view at the time (which I don't think has particularly changed) is that any Act of Parliament of the UK is likely to be sufficiently notable either to be included as a standalone article, or to have its own subsection within another article where this is more appropriate (e.g. legislation relation to HS2 is likely to be best placed as a standalone section on the HS2 article). At one point I was looking to create articles for each primary Act as they were created but ultimately got busy within other subjects so never completed this. Possibly the contents of this article could in some way be merged into Road Traffic Act 1988 with a suitable redirect or to keep as a standalone article if there now sufficient commentary to justify an article (I haven't looked at what online commentary has been added since the law was passed and the article was originally written shortly after Royal Assent was given). Either way I think some commentary on each Act of the UK Parliament that is made should be retained in wikipedia. This might be a topic to seek further consensus on in the Law or UK projects/portals, there was brief discussion at Wikipedia:Notability (law) on similar topics but no consensus was reached. I do appreciate the sourcing of the article to secondary sources could be better (there are now plenty of online sources that talk about ADI requirements which could potentially be used here).Tracland (talk) 17:19, 17 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • I guess the best merge destination would be Driver's education? Andrew's source—a proof from Exploring Parliament (ISBN 9780198788430)—could be used to source content for a selective merge there, especially as a start to an "in the UK" section or similar. As for the broader point: I'm not sure how often statute notability comes up at AfD (will have a look at the archives of list of Law-related deletion discussions), but in the absence of any clear guidance I think falling back on GNG is fine, especially since statutes often are discussed at length in treatises and law journals. One could also try a variant on WP:NPROF and judge statute notability by number of citations, but that would depend on finding a worldwide Google Scholar–equivalent for statutes, which I doubt exists. AleatoryPonderings (???) (!!!) 18:54, 17 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Agreed, I think it’s a difficult one. For what it’s worth this Act probably isn’t sufficient for its own article but is probably better as a subsection of another. But other UK statute articles are often sketchy on details (if they exist) which makes it hard to properly decide. One of the reasons I gave up on the project (of creating content on acts at Royal Ascent) was it was just too big a job to fix other articles connected to new laws as they came out. Bring it all up to date is a task for some (more diligent) editor than me. Tracland (talk) 19:33, 17 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

• Merge to Road Traffic Act 1988 perhaps. There is no basis whatsoever for the claim that individual laws are automatically notable, and closing admin should disregard such comments. Best to cover with related legislation it amends or its subject like Driver's education in the United Kingdom, but many laws are mundane and bureaucratic without significant coverage of their effects. This is listed at both List of Acts of the Parliament of the United Kingdom from 2016 and List of Acts of the 1st Session of the 56th Parliament of the United Kingdom (unclear why there's such duplication) so it could be redirected there as well. Reywas92^Talk 17:03, 18 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep. Satisfies GNG. This Act is included in both Halsbury's Statutes and Current Law Statutes, with significant commentary.  I can also point you to LexisLibrary Legislation, Westlaw Legislation and Lawtel, amongst other sources. James500 (talk) 18:25, 22 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • James500, can you provide some links and/or snippets? AleatoryPonderings (???) (!!!) 18:30, 22 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]
    • You can get both of the printed publications from a library or a bookseller. The online sources require a subscription. James500 (talk) 18:37, 22 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. MBisanz ^talk 14:08, 26 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

WTCL (TV)[edit]

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Speedy delete: WLFM-LD is set to become WTCL on January 1, and that station already has an article. Just change the title when the time comes. Mvcg66b3r (talk) 22:13, 23 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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• A10 tag applied Station cannot become a full-power station and will retain -LD suffix. So tagged. Nate • (chatter) 00:57, 24 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]
• WTCL is currently a redirect to WJXO, which I bet got paid off to give up the WTCL call sign (the station has had some VERY hard luck of late). The FCC call sign desk indicates the request was for WTCL-LP for some reason, not WTCL-LD. The base title of WTCL should be a dabpage eventually. Sammi Brie (she/her • t • c) 03:19, 24 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment The article creator, CPLANAS1985 (talk · contribs) commented on their talk page and noted that the TVNewsCheck release didn't mention the WLFM-LD license at all, thus they created it thinking it was a new station/license, which I did have a feeling about why this article was created. Nate • (chatter) 20:18, 24 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

    @Mrschimpf: If I had known WLFM was to be converted into WTCL, I would have NOT created a separate article... Again, the link I provided makes NO mention of converting another station... Rather, "launch a new television station"... CPLANAS1985 (talk) 22:53, 24 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

    • Comment Agreed, not placing any kind of blame on anyone here; it was a good-faith article created using a source that could have been much better written and made clear the station already exists (I assume Gray wanted to completely leave behind WLFM's franken-FM legacy as an analog station, and that Jewelry TV is merely keeping the transmitter warm and not a serious affiliation). Nate • (chatter) 02:38, 25 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

      @Mrschimpf: I had NO idea analog LPTVs still existed in large markets... Why do I sense this was a "troll" move on Gray's part??? CPLANAS1985 (talk) 04:53, 25 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

      Most of the large-market ones that existed did so on 6 for the FM audio capability (see: the conversion of a bunch of these to ATSC 3.0, which allows the television portion to be transmitted in just 5.5 MHz of the 6 MHz channel). In this case, Jewelry TV is definitely a signal-warmer (it's also used on the ATSC 3.0 stations such as the 6 in Chicago). Sammi Brie (she/her • t • c) 07:18, 25 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

      @Mrschimpf and Sammi Brie: With all things considered and given the circumstances... What do I next??? Do I move one article to the other??? Do we merge the two articles??? How do we work around this knowing what we know now??? CPLANAS1985 (He/Him/His • T • C • TW • IG) 15:48, 25 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

      @Mrschimpf, Sammi Brie, and Mvcg66b3r: Should we just merge the two articles into one??? What will happen to the new article for WTCL (TV)??? I need to know... Because the article was created in good-faith despite a vaguely worded release by Gray Television and TVNewsCheck... There had to be other reasons other than WLFM being a "transmitter-warmer" as one indicates... It is clear this was NOT made up... Just limited details at this time, nothing more... Only preparing for a future event, and that is NO speculation with all due respect... CPLANAS1985 (Male • T • C • TW • IG) 18:22, 25 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

• Delete This page is incorrectly titled, it has no incoming article space links, and the topic is covered at the correct page, WLFM-LD. That will move to (likely) WTCL-LD when a call sign change is formalized. No need to keep. Sammi Brie (she/her • t • c) 06:02, 13 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

• Turns out that the unusual claim for WTCL-LP is correct (not LD). The article was moved today, and the station has reported to the FCC that it is back up and transmitting. Sammi Brie (she/her • t • c) 04:40, 16 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

• Delete, based on the discussion above, seems the creation of the article was unnecessary as an existing article can/will be moved into its place in the near future. Bungle ^{(talk • contribs)} 12:34, 24 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was speedy keep. Nomination withdrawn in light of new sources. (non-admin closure) Frank Anchor^Talk 11:41, 18 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Saints-Vikings Rivalry[edit]

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Clear fail of WP:GNG. No rivalry exists between these two teams. This is evidenced by a simple google search of Saints Vikings rivalry which has few hits, most of which being either WP:ROUTINE coverage of a game between the two teams or opinion pieces from either New Orleans or Minnesota writers, this is a clear fail of WP:LOCAL. The Wikipedia article only has one reference that mentions the term “rivalry,” an opinion by a Saints beat writer in a blog that calls itself “a New Orleans Saints community.” The balance of the sources are individual game summaries which do not establish the existence of a rivalry. Further, the article notes the teams met five times in the playoffs. While impressive, that is WP:OR in establishing a rivalry. Frank Anchor^Talk 03:17, 17 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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I added two additional sources, one of which describes the Saints as a top five rival of the Vikings and other a Minneapolis Star Tribune article discussing the rivalry. These two teams have played many meaningful games in the last 20 years and there has been lots of chirpiness as the article stated. The Packers & Giants currently have a rivalry page and there is certainly no rivalry there. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Jackmar1 (talk • contribs) 05:31, 17 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Again, all of these sources are blogs or local newspapers based on either Minneapolis or New Orleans, which fails WP:LOCAL. Notable rivalries are mentioned as rivalries in national outlets (ESPN, CBS sports, etc.). You also bring up the Packers and Giants having a page even though pointing out other articles is not a valid argument in AFD debates (for what it’s worth, I agree the Giants-Packers page should also be deleted but this debate is for the Saints-Vikings page). Frank Anchor^Talk 15:10, 17 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

• Comment I don't have time now but a quick search found this and this: part 1/part 2. BeanieFan11 (talk) 15:52, 17 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]
• Comment Here is a quote from a Sports Illustrated article (national source) that said "There was major news involving two of the Vikings' biggest rivals, the Packers and Saints, on Sunday."Jackmar1 (talk) 18:00, 17 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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2000 Nottingham Open – Singles[edit]

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0 sources. Kind regards, JJK2000 (talk) 03:17, 17 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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• Keep 10 minutes in Google found a whole bunch of newspaper sources. Also, can we please stop using AFD as a high stakes source request tool? Iffy★Chat -- 09:26, 17 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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Sierra Amerrisique Natural Reserve[edit]

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0 sources. Kind regards, JJK2000 (talk) 03:07, 17 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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• Keep, source added. And it wasn't hard to find. Geschichte (talk) 09:39, 17 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was soft delete. Based on minimal participation, this uncontroversial nomination is treated as an expired PROD (a.k.a. "soft deletion"). Editors can request the article's undeletion. ✗plicit 11:02, 24 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Interactive Science[edit]

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This appears to be a series of science textbooks. Written as an advert. No secondary sources and none found. User:力 (power~enwiki, π, ν) 02:58, 17 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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• Delete The book series clearly isn't notable and the article was created by a now blocked advert account. So there's zero reason to keep this around. --Adamant1 (talk) 04:59, 23 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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Terotechnology[edit]

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The sole reference does not work. Kind regards, JJK2000 (talk) 02:51, 17 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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• Speedy Keep Notable term defined everywhere with RS WP:NEXIST Books: Maintenance management and terotechnology and Terotechnology XI and Quality Control and Total Quality Management and Maintenance Management and Terotechnology Lightburst (talk) 03:06, 17 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]
• Weak Keep The article does need significant cleanup—however, the sources Lightburst provided seem to indicate that this isn't a non-notable term, and that it is widely used in technological fields. theleekycauldron (talk • contribs) (they/them) 04:12, 17 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was draftify. Should the film become notable after being released, the content will be available for others to improve and establish notability. Should it fail to garner coverage, it will succumb to WP:CSD#G13. ✗plicit 11:06, 24 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

A Christmas Miracle For Daisy (TV Movie)[edit]

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Non-notable television film, lacks significant independent coverage per WP:NF and WP:GNG BOVINEBOY2008 02:47, 17 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]