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The result was delete. RL0919 (talk) 00:00, 11 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]

NumXL[edit]

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No indication of notability. Mostly unreferenced; sources and massive farm of external links are only to the software provider's website. A search for better references turns up only sales and download links, and some user-generated content ([1]), nothing at all ([2]), or very brief, passing mentions ([3]). Also more than a bit promotional. Seraphimblade ^{Talk to me} 23:59, 3 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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• Delete. Hyperbolick (talk) 04:15, 4 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete as per nom. I can't find dispassionate, reliable sources that discuss this in-depth. Nice sales brochure! 78.26 _{(spin me / revolutions)} 05:00, 4 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete – sources found and understood do not pass notability guidelines: [4] (passing mention), [5] (non-independent), [6] (multiple passing mentions). Google Books & Scholar search turns up lots and lots of passing mentions in more technical works. UnnamedUser (talk) 03:04, 10 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete since subject fails criteria for independent notability and also WP:NSOFT. This is no more than a promotional piece of text, which, in years previous, before more stringent measures were adopted, managed to masquerade as a Wikipedia article. An interesting fact: Τhe creator of the contested page, who's also its major contributor, has made few other contributions to Wikipedia in the space of ten years; has a user page that redirects to the NumXL. -The Gnome (talk) 13:32, 10 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was redirect to Hisaya Nakajo. RL0919 (talk) 23:55, 10 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Yumemiru Happa[edit]

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Article uses only primary sources. Japanese Wikipedia page is a stub. Fails WP:GNG and WP:NBOOK. lullabying (talk) 23:52, 3 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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• Redirect to author as with most manga works that aren't notable on their own but have a notable author. AngusWOOF (bark • sniff) 17:23, 5 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]
• Redirect to Hisaya Nakajo. This appears to be a stand alone manga series with no indication of notability. - Knowledgekid87 (talk) 18:04, 5 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]
• 'Redirect’ to author.— Harshil ^{want to talk?} 04:20, 10 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. Consensus non-notable Nosebagbear (talk) 23:53, 10 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Between (fictional place)[edit]

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This article fails to establish notability. TTN (talk) 23:51, 3 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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• Redirect to Dragons (Pern)#Psychic abilities and add this entry to the dab page Between. Clarityfiend (talk) 00:56, 4 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]

• On second thought, delete per below. Clarityfiend (talk) 09:32, 5 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]

• Delete. Extreme, niche fancruft. I doubt that the redirect target suggested above will survive much longer, too. AMC books are notable in light of WP:NBOOK, but her characters and related concepts are much less so. --_{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here} 08:54, 4 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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• Delete. Usual-variety fancruft. Fails GNG/NFICTION.Kacper IV (talk) 12:34, 5 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete Not notable enough for a seperate article.John Pack Lambert (talk) 13:44, 5 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete this inevitably unsourced piece of original work, possibly made by fans. Wikipedia is not a depository of random infornation. -The Gnome (talk) 13:37, 10 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete Not notable and fails GNG. and WP:V. Niche term without reliable sources. Wm335td (talk) 21:46, 10 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was keep. Lord Roem ~ (talk) 01:09, 11 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Rob Parker (councillor)[edit]

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Contested PROD. Fails WP:NPOL: we don't usually consider leaders of councils to be notable. Fails WP:GNG. Bondegezou (talk) 22:53, 3 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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• Keep. I think there is definitely a very sensible argument for the leader of a county council to be considered notable. Lincolnshire has more than a million people. The mayor of a city with that population would definitely be considered notable. -- Necrothesp (talk) 11:13, 4 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]

WP:POLOUTCOMES says: "Each case is evaluated on its own individual merits. Mayors of cities of at least regional prominence have usually survived AFD". That's not quite "definitely considered notable". And he's not a mayor of a city: he's the council leader of a county. While one can draw an analogy, I am not convinced how strong it is. Council leader is a somewhat different role to a mayor: it's a less significant role than mayors in many countries are. It's a less significant role than a UK elected mayor. Lincolnshire, I would have thought, had a population below a million when he was council leader: it's only just over a million today. Ultimately, the question is can we write a meaningful article about this person, rather than just a bare minimum statement of his electoral history and some WP:ROUTINE coverage of local politics? Bondegezou (talk) 11:47, 4 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]

• Comment My apologies: I should not have PROD'ed the article in the first place as I now realise it had survived a PROD some years before. I should've come straight to AfD. Bondegezou (talk) 12:15, 4 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete. Leaders of county councils are not handed an automatic notability freebie just because they exist. The reason a mayor of a city with a million people would be considered notable isn't because of that million people's potential interest in reading about their own mayor — it's because the mayor of a city that large would be a topic of wide reader interest far beyond just his or her own city alone, in a way that a county councillor would not. (That is, the audience for an article about Sadiq Khan is not limited to residents of London — it's worldwide. Most local politicians can't claim the same, which is why we don't consider all local politicians to be "inherently" notable.) At the county level, the notability test is not just "local media coverage in his own county exists" — local media coverage always exists for every county councillor everywhere, so every county councillor would always be exempted from actually having to pass NPOL at all if the existence of some local coverage were all it took. Rather, at the county council level the notability test is the reception of nationalizing or internationalizing coverage, demonstrating a credible reason to consider him much more notable than the norm for that level of government — but nothing here shows that at all. Bearcat (talk) 16:36, 4 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Why is there any distinction between national and local media coverage? What policy is that distinction explicitly stated in? It sounds arbitrary and in contravention of the principles behind WP:GNG. If, for instance, there are 20 reliable, independent sources discussing him at length, then surely that makes him worthy of passing WP:GNG, regardless of whether those sources are local newspapers; otherwise it just starts to sound like "I don't like it, therefore delete". Regardless of "presumed" or "inherent" notability under NPOL, GNG is all that matters and I'd argue he passes GNG as the article stands (I'm intending to add more over the next couple of days). —Noswall59 (talk) 16:47, 4 December 2019 (UTC).[reply]

All local media everywhere always covers local politics; that's local media's job. So if purely local coverage were enough in and of itself to get a county councillor over GNG and thus exempt him from actually having to pass NPOL, then every county councillor on the entire planet would always get that pass, and NPOL would never apply to anybody at all anymore. And by the same token, bands could claim that they had passed GNG, and were therefore exempted from actually having to accomplish anything that would actually pass NMUSIC, if the existence of three or four articles about them in their local newspaper about them playing the local pub on Friday night were all it took to get them over GNG. Writers could claim that they had passed GNG, and were therefore exempted from actually having to accomplish anything that would actually pass AUTHOR, if the existence of a couple of articles in their local media about their winning a local poetry contest were all it took to get them over GNG. High school athletes could claim that they had passed GNG, and were therefore exempted from having to actually pass NATHLETE, if the existence of a couple of human interest pieces in their local media about their recovery from cancer were all it took to get them over GNG. And on and so forth — being able to show some purely local coverage in a person's own local media market is not always enough in and of itself to claim that they've passed GNG and therefore didn't have to actually satisfy the notability standards for their occupation, because local media cover lots of local interest topics that aren't of interest or relevance to an international encyclopedia at all.
GNG is not just "count up the media hits and keep anything that meets or exceeds two" — GNG does consider factors like the geographic range of how widely the topic is getting covered and the context of what the person is getting coverage for, and GNG does give some kinds of media coverage much less weight than other kinds. County council is not an "inherently" notable role — so the notability test that a county councillor has to pass to qualify for a Wikipedia article is that they're significantly more special than most other county councillors, by virtue of having received a depth and range and volume of coverage that goes significantly beyond just what every county councillor everywhere can always show. Bearcat (talk) 17:21, 4 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]

You say that coverage has to be national or international to pass GNG but I actually don't see anywhere on that policy's page where it says that. I understand what you're saying — that any local politician that has significant coverage in local media will be notable if we accept local media as a source. I just don't understand (a) why that's a problem; (b) where Wikipedia's policies explicitly stand against that; or (c) why your definition of "international" has to preclude the "local" (for instance, one could argue an online encyclopedia has to be about "global" subjects like wars and the UN; one could also make the case that an online encyclopedia can also provide coverage of local matters to a global audience). We are meant to be "sum of all knowledge" after all.

I'm also not suggesting (a) that we simply count sources; or (b) that we allow anyone with routine coverage to be included. But I'm saying that when Parker and others like him are discussed at length over three decades of locally high-profile local government work, then we shouldn't simply discount the notability conferred by those sources because they're local. Cheers, —Noswall59 (talk) 17:49, 4 December 2019 (UTC).[reply]

Indiscriminately maintaining an article about every local politician on earth is a problem for a lot of reasons. Firstly, it's unsustainable — we're not even doing a very good job of maintaining the quality of the articles we already have, let alone adding millions more by loosening or waiving our notability standards. Our model of being an encyclopedia that anybody can edit is admittedly flawed, because Wikipedia editors do not all edit Wikipedia responsibly — people try to add content that violates our rules all the time, but our quality control model, which depends on the attention of other editors after the bad edit has already been made, isn't highly effective either: a bad edit to Boris Johnson's or Beyoncé's articles will get caught and reverted within minutes, because they're world-famous figures whose articles generate a lot of traffic, but a bad edit to a low profile person of purely local interest, such as a county councillor, can linger in the article for months because far fewer people are seeing the article in the first place. I once found an article about a smalltown municipal politician in Eastern Europe, which had spent three full years making the completely unsourced claim that the subject was a cannibal pedophile who was known for taking children into the Chernobyl exclusion zone to rape and kill and eat them. And no, I am not making this up — I obviously speedied that shit right away, but somebody really did edit an article to say that, and it really had spent three full years uncaught before I found it. And secondly, even genuinely notable national-level politicians also frequently try to rewrite our articles about them into advertorial PR profiles that resemble their campaign literature rather than proper encyclopedia articles, and/or to bury notable and well-sourced controversies. But that's an WP:NPOV violation, just as problematic as unsourced claims of pedophilia. So as long as we're trying to be an encyclopedia, rather than a social networking platform, we have to maintain notability standards to determine who qualifies for inclusion and who does not — and whether you agree with it or not, we have a longstanding consensus that county councillors fall below the bar unless they can be shown to be much more significant than the norm for some substantive reason.

As well, please read WP:EVERYTHING. Wikipedia is not meant to be "the sum of all knowledge" — our role is not to indiscrimately be about everything and everyone who exists, it is to apply filters to sort out what information is important and valuable for us to document and what information is not. And, again, one of the filters that we have applied, through consensus, is that county councillors are not of wide enough interest to justify keeping Wikipedia articles — and another of those filters, again through consensus, is that the existence of some purely local media coverage in not inherently notable contexts is not automatically enough to exempt a person from having to satisfy our standard inclusion criteria for their occupation. Bearcat (talk) 18:16, 4 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]

User:Bearcat. I've never said anywhere that we should allow anyone who happens to get mentioned in a local newspaper (or any newspaper) to be included. I'm suggesting that significant, sustained, non-trivial and non-routine coverage in local news shouldn't be considered differently than similar levels of coverage in national news. That way non-entity parish councillors would probably not meet the bar, but long-serving, top-tier local politicians like Hill and Parker would. I think this is a sensible way of dealing with this issue.

But, more importantly, I think we're getting to the crux of the problem here. It seems from your comment that the distinction that supposedly exists at AfD between the use of local and national sources for establishing notability is ultimately in place because some people feel that it would be unwieldy to maintain the project if we allowed some local politicians to be included. That's why you can't point to a policy; it's not a policy, it's a practice (I'm not saying you're wrong, by the way). So essentially we can split ourselves into two camps: the idealists who think that we should be striving to build an encyclopedia which reflects the sum of knowledge (yes, I know what WP:EVERYTHING says and I also know that summarising is different from being a directory, etc); and the pragmatists who feel that we have to do draw a line in the sand or lose control of the process.

You appear to be a pragmatist (fine). I suppose my first retort would be this: does Rob Parker's article look poorly maintained? Does it strike you or anyone here as having glaring BLP violations, poor citations, OR, POV issues, etc? I don't think it does. If the issue at stake here comes down to drawing a line so that we can keep out the trash, then we need to decide whether Parker's article constitutes trash. IMO it doesn't. Therefore it's better to keep it -- is that not an extension of the logic you've just outlined?

Beside, we also have WP:IAR, which says that "If a rule prevents you from improving or maintaining Wikipedia, ignore it." At the end of the day, Parker's article is an improvement; there is no harm in it being there; it's useful and well put together. Removing it does far more harm to our readership and our mission than letting it stay. Surely, as someone who seems to be approaching the issue pragmatically, you can agree with that? —Noswall59 (talk) 00:33, 5 December 2019 (UTC).[reply]

"I've never said anywhere that we should allow anyone who happens to get mentioned in a local newspaper (or any newspaper) to be included." I didn't say you had suggested that; I said (and am correct) that that's what would be the end result of what you suggested.

"I'm suggesting that significant, sustained, non-trivial and non-routine coverage in local news shouldn't be considered differently than similar levels of coverage in national news. That way non-entity parish councillors would probably not meet the bar, but long-serving, top-tier local politicians like Hill and Parker would." And my point is precisely, and correctly, that "significant, sustained, non-trivial and non-routine coverage in local news" is, by definition, a thing that every single municipal and county councillor and school board trustee on earth always has and can always show. There aren't some local politicians who get more coverage than other local politicians do — if local coverage were all it took to get a local politician over GNG as an exemption from having to satisfy NPOL, then every local politician would always get that exemption, every non-winning candidate for office would always get that exemption, and on and so forth. I didn't say you said that's the way it should be — I said that's the way it will be if we do what you suggest, because no local politician anywhere would ever fail to clear the bar if we put it where you suggest. Doing it your way would not set up the distinction you think — it would simply exempt anybody in politics from ever actually having to pass NPOL at all, because everybody in local politics always generates local press coverage in their local media.

And that, to be clear, is precisely why we have an established consensus that local politicians are not notable until they can show nationalizing coverage that expands beyond just their local area. You can dislike it all you want, you can disagree with its premises all you want, but you can't make it go away just by arguing with me about it — I'm just the messenger, not the decider, in a matter like this. Bearcat (talk) 01:09, 7 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]

• Comment: I've learned that Parker was used as a case study in a 2000 academic book on local politics (I've included this in the "further reading" section of the article). I will be able to view the relevant section of the book on Friday. —Noswall59 (talk) 17:13, 4 December 2019 (UTC).[reply]

Noswall59 has done a lot of work to expand the article and people in the discussion may wish to re-examine it. I think that most of the new content would be of value moved to the Lincolnshire County Council article, but isn't mostly about Parker individually and doesn't change the overall picture. However, the case study (what I can see of it through Google Book) does constitute significant coverage. GNG generally requires more than one piece of significant coverage, so I don't think alone it is sufficient to change my !vote, but it's a less clear cut case than before. The case study would also be very useful for the Lincolnshire County Council article. Bondegezou (talk) 17:52, 4 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Ergo, I should change my stance to Merge to the Lincolnshire County Council article. Bondegezou (talk) 17:19, 5 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]

• Keep This article has been sourced much better since the beginning of the AfD. Councillors are not inherently notable, but certainly can be. The fact he was part of a case study weighs heavily on his claim to notability. ~EDDY ^{(talk/contribs)}~ 02:04, 5 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete per Bearcat (no relation). While there have been traditional sources added, they continue to be all local news or party PR. Bearian (talk) 19:12, 6 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]

This isn't the case at all – there is in-depth coverage in numerous sources, including a scholarly book and national media like The Guardian and the Local Government Chronicle. —Noswall59 (talk) 14:05, 8 December 2019 (UTC).[reply]

• Keep. I've outlined my reasons in my discussion with Bearcat above. Essentially, I argue that he passes GNG, with significant coverage in local newspaper sources, many of which are now cited in the article (there are over 500 hits in Nexis's newspaper database for "Robert Parker" AND "Lincolnshire"); he is also the subject of a case study in a scholarly book, which the nominator of this AfD has stated amounts to a piece of significant coverage; he was also discussed in articles in the national news media: in the Guardian and the Local Government Chronicle. Those who argue, like Bearcat above, that we shouldn't allow local newspaper sources to establish notability do so on grounds of practical concern that this could lead to "millions" of stub articles on local politicians. But as he keeps telling me, this is not the place to argue the general point. Indeed, we are assessing Parker's notability and not setting precedent here. And, as I've already stated, practical considerations are moot here; Parker's article is in good shape, it's reliably sources, neutral and well-written; it's useful and encyclopedic. Deleting it would not improve the project, it would harm it. And "If a rule prevents you from improving or maintaining Wikipedia, ignore it." That's what we should do here. We should keep this article on its own merits. —Noswall59 (talk) 14:05, 8 December 2019 (UTC).[reply]
• Keep " we don't usually consider leaders of councils to be notable." Why the hell not? At least, for county councils. Andy Dingley (talk) 17:13, 8 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete. Only of local interest. Xxanthippe (talk) 23:24, 8 December 2019 (UTC).[reply]
  • Maybe, but in what sense is he different than the Speaker of the Montana House of Representatives in that respect? —David Eppstein (talk) 06:06, 9 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]
    • WP:OTHERSTUFF: if you think any Speakers of the Montana House of Representatives should be deleted, you are free to bring them to AfD. I would note that Montana has greater powers than Lincolnshire County Council. Bondegezou (talk) 10:12, 9 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • There is no policy which says we should delete things which are of "local interest only". Where we distinguish between "local" and "sub-national" or "regional" isn't clear either. —Noswall59 (talk) 10:31, 9 December 2019 (UTC).[reply]
• Comment The article has been greatly expanded since I nominated it, thanks to Noswall59. However, I note that the Lincolnshire County Council article is very short and most of the Rob Parker article is about the electoral history of Lincolnshire County Council rather than about Mr Parker as a person. It seems to me much more sensible to take all the new material and move it to Lincolnshire County Council. Bondegezou (talk) 13:23, 9 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep Notable County council leader - Lincolnshire has almost one million people. We keep mayors of high population cities. Wm335td (talk) 21:53, 10 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. Malcolmxl5 (talk) 22:05, 10 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Witan Sulaeman[edit]

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Deprodded without rationale or improvement. Simply does not meet either WP:GNG or WP:NFOOTY. Onel5969 ^{TT me} 22:01, 3 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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• Comment are we sure he fails WP:GNG? A very brief search turned up articles like [7] [8] [9] [10] [11] [12] there's more as well. I haven't translated any of these but there's certainly coverage. SportingFlyer T·C 22:56, 3 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Comment on the sources you scared up: This is pure advertorial, while this is about Indonesian players playing abroad, among whom is our subject player; this is a news item on subject's transfer prospects, and this is again about his tranfer prospects to a "major European club." Let's wait for that to materialize, I'd suggest. -The Gnome (talk) 13:52, 10 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]

P.S.: The three kamikaze accounts that created and filled up the contested text are specialists in Asian football, as pasionate about it as fans (or agents and PR people) would be. -The Gnome (talk) 13:52, 10 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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• Delete - fails WP:GNG and WP:NFOOTBALL. GNG is the key thing here, I am not convinced that the sources are 'significant' - they seem to be transfer news/rumours etc. If anyone is of a different view and is able to more accurately analyse them then ping me. GiantSnowman 13:21, 4 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete since subject fails WP:NFOOTBALL and even WP:GNG. -The Gnome (talk) 13:52, 10 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was withdrawn by nominator (non-admin closure). ---DOOMSDAYER520 (Talk|Contribs) 21:36, 6 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Wiki (rapper)[edit]

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Not really any notability, not many reliable sources, seems like a c-grade celebrity. A few of his raps seem to hit 200k views at youtube, but i dont think this is significant enough. Apples&Manzanas (talk) 21:17, 3 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Withdrawn by nominator. For reasons mentioned below. Apples&Manzanas (talk) 01:31, 6 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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Correction: i found some raps of his with over 600k views on youtube. But i still dont think this is notable enough. There isn't much evidence of him being notable. Whilst he does have one article about him from the new york times LINK. It seemed like pretty minor coverage, unless we want to open the floodgates to every minor celebrity getting a wikipedia page the moment they get an article. Apples&Manzanas (talk) 21:27, 3 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Further comment: Also, beyond the discussion about notability, it's worth noting that the majority of the article is just his discography and that material isn't even given citations. So the article arguably has sourcing problems too. Apples&Manzanas (talk) 00:50, 4 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]

• Comment - This rapper also has several album articles, which will become untenable if his artist page is deleted. Those album articles could possibly be combined into this AfD. ---DOOMSDAYER520 (Talk|Contribs) 15:16, 5 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep. Very obviously notable given just a quick Google search. As well as being a member of a clearly notable group, there is plenty of coverage of him outside the group, e.g. [13], [14], [15], [16], [17], [18], [19], [20], [21], [22], [23], [24], [25], [26], [27], [28], [29]. --Michig (talk) 19:02, 5 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep per Michig and the many excellent sources found. Bearian (talk) 19:14, 6 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. Malcolmxl5 (talk) 21:54, 10 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Whers[edit]

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This fails to establish notability. Previous AfD was filled with outdated arguments that don't address it failing WP:PLOT, WP:WAF, and WP:GNG. TTN (talk) 21:05, 3 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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• Delete as fancruft per nom. Fails GNG._{ZXCVBNM (TALK)} 21:49, 3 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete per nom. They play a very minor role in the Dragonriders universe. Clarityfiend (talk) 00:58, 4 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]
• Speedy delete. Terrible WP:FANCRUFT, editor who contested the redirect should be WP:TROUTed. Through I guess in 2014 the inclusionism was still stronger than today... --_{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here} 09:19, 4 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete. Usual-variety fancruft. Fails GNG/NFICTION.Kacper IV (talk) 12:34, 5 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete per nomination. Blatant fancruft is so much worse than the sneaky kind. -The Gnome (talk) 13:55, 10 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. Malcolmxl5 (talk) 21:58, 10 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Weyr[edit]

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This article fails to establish notability. TTN (talk) 21:01, 3 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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• Delete as pure fancruft and move Weyr (disambiguation) to base._{ZXCVBNM (TALK)} 21:48, 3 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]
• Speedy delete. Terrible WP:FANCRUFT that fortunately survives in https://pern.fandom.com/wiki/Weyrs so nothing is lost. --_{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here} 09:19, 4 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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• Delete. Fictional, usual-variety fancruft. Pure PLOT. Fails GNG/NFICTION.Kacper IV (talk) 12:32, 5 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was merge to Reynolds number. Jo-Jo Eumerus (talk) 11:02, 11 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Jiří Březina[edit]

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Subject does not appear to meet WP:PROF or WP:ANYBIO. I will withdraw this nomination if others can find sources to demonstrate notability. TJMSmith (talk) 19:52, 3 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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• Delete. Citations on Google Scholar [30] far too low for WP:PROF#C1. The only thing that stands out in his cv is that he was a Humboldt Fellow but I don't think that's enough. —David Eppstein (talk) 21:02, 3 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]
• Merge into Reynolds number. While he's not notable his work is an example of that dimensionless quantity. Reynolds number currently lacks sufficient examples for our core readership, students, to gain a grasp of the topic. Bearian (talk) 19:28, 6 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]
• Merge per Bearian, presuming there is a subject expert willing to do the work. You find a few more citations with a GS search for "Březina, J", but I'm still not seeing WP:NPROF. Meanwhile, although I'm not an expert, the figures look useful. Russ Woodroofe (talk) 14:13, 8 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. Malcolmxl5 (talk) 22:00, 10 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]

List of The Belgariad locations[edit]

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Trivial list of fictional minutia that fails to establish notability. TTN (talk) 19:47, 3 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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• Delete. WP:FANCRUFT trivia. Ajf773 (talk) 20:12, 3 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete. You know you're scraping the bottom of the barrel when "an unnamed village" in Verkat is listed. Clarityfiend (talk) 20:14, 3 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete fancruft, no notability. buidhe 22:40, 3 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete per nom. The unnamed village is hilarious!--Jack Upland (talk) 01:25, 4 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete. Fancruft that belongs at https://davideddings.fandom.com/wiki/Places not here --_{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here} 09:20, 4 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete- unnamed villages? Unnamed archipelagoes? Good grief. This is excessive fancruft that belongs on Wikia. Reyk _YO! 09:57, 4 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete We should not have lists of "unnamed villages" on Wikipedia. ―Susmuffin ^Talk 10:37, 4 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete per nom. LOL, Wikipedia sure was a different place twelve years ago. 🖖 ChristTrekker 🗣 19:38, 4 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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• Delete. Fictional, usual-variety fancruft. Pure PLOT. Fails GNG/NFICTION/LISTN.Kacper IV (talk) 12:32, 5 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete WP:SNOW Wm335td (talk) 21:55, 10 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. Ritchie333 ^{(talk) (cont)} 12:44, 11 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Eugene M. Gagliano[edit]

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Lacks notability. Page was created by a single purpose account and makes claims unsupported by any of the available sources. No indication that being poet laureate of Wyoming has conferred notability - lacks coverage from reliable independent secondary sources. No evidence that any of his books were reviewed by standard children's book journals so does not appear to be notable under WP:NAUTHOR. Barkeep49 (talk) 19:26, 3 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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• Comment, agree with nominator (hi Barkeep49:)) that US state awards do not necessarily mean wikinotability (although they may point to a recipient/their works being "well known"?), curious that, although a couple of Gagliano's books library holdings are in the triple digits (but they are also held as those new fangled "ebooks":)) ie. Four wheels west : a Wyoming number book, 100 libraries, V is for venus flytrap: a plant alphabet, 130 libraries, that there is a dearth of reviews.Coolabahapple (talk) 23:27, 6 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete, does not meet WP:NAUTHOR due to lack of reviews. Coolabahapple (talk) 23:28, 6 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was keep. RL0919 (talk) 23:59, 10 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Jean Claude Jacob[edit]

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A very minor footnote of a historical figure about whom almost nothing is known. More than half the article text is one massively overlong quote, which one of the other 2 sources even claims is inaccurate, and per WP:PAGEDECIDE the rest isn't enough for a full page; if there's a place to merge any of this I wouldn't see a problem with a short mention, but there's nowhere near enough for a full article. The completely ridiculous age claim doesn't help. The Blade of the Northern Lights (話して下さい) 19:14, 3 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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• Keep The en.wiki article wasn’t linked to the fr.wiki article so I’ve fixed that. From the fr.wiki piece we can see there are portraits of the subject, a street named after him, and some sources not used in the en.wiki article. I’ll try and do some work to improve this in the next few days but it’s pretty clear this subject passes WP:GNG. Mccapra (talk) 04:12, 4 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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• Comment, to assist afdeditors, here is a link to the French wikiarticle. Coolabahapple (talk) 22:15, 6 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep, meets WP:GNG with available sources, also, written about by Thomas Carlyle, arguably one of the most important social commentators of his day, also contributes to Jacob's wikinotableness, thanks to Mccapra for bringing our attention to the French wikiarticle and for offering to improve the English wikiarticle. Coolabahapple (talk) 22:25, 6 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep -- This is a credible claim of great longevity, which makes him notable. I agree that little is known, but that does not matter. Peterkingiron (talk) 17:18, 8 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]
• Comment sorry I completely forgot about this and likely will not get to improve it before this AfD closes. Anyway, still keep. Mccapra (talk) 00:32, 9 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep longevity makes him notable. WP:NOTCLEANUP Wm335td (talk) 21:59, 10 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was keep. Malcolmxl5 (talk) 22:02, 10 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Charles L. Kelly[edit]

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Fails WP:GNG / WP:SOLDIER, unresolved issues since 2014 Mztourist (talk) 07:37, 26 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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• Delete. A second-level decoration and a third-level decoration are not enough to make him notable. -- Necrothesp (talk) 15:23, 26 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep Kelly passes WP:GNG because he is significantly covered in the US Army's official history of aeromedical evacuation in Vietnam [31] and an article by historian David T. Zabecki calls him the 'father of dustoff', a key part of the American experience in Vietnam. As the first Dustoff pilot killed in Vietnam, he was the subject of a lengthy profile by Peter Arnett. This article needs much improvement, but AfD is not cleanup. Kges1901 (talk) 22:29, 27 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

• Keep. Has his own entry in Spencer C. Tucker (20 May 2011). The Encyclopedia of the Vietnam War: A Political, Social, and Military History, 2nd Edition [4 volumes]: A Political, Social, and Military History. ABC-CLIO. pp. 564–. ISBN 978-1-85109-961-0.. --_{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here} 14:29, 5 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep has significant coverage, as shown by sources mentioned above. He is also prominently mentioned at The Vietnam Center and Sam Johnson Vietnam Archive, here at the American Legion page, here at an Army R&D source, plus several congressional resolutions. Easily meets WP:GNG, and as multiple sources refer to him as a pioneer of military medevac, meets WP:NSOLDIER criteria 6 as well. PohranicniStraze (talk) 17:35, 9 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep Kelly passes WP:SIGCOV Wm335td (talk) 21:39, 9 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete and redirect to Autobot. – sgeureka ^t•c 19:40, 10 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Matrix of Leadership[edit]

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This still fails to establish notability, so fails WP:PLOT, WP:WAF. and WP:GNG. Sources in the previous AfD were passing mentions. None were ever added to the article. TTN (talk) 18:49, 3 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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• Redirect to Autobots as fancruft that fails WP:GNG. Can be explained sufficiently in the Autobot article._{ZXCVBNM (TALK)} 20:57, 3 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • I don't think the article Autobots will survive for very long. JIP | Talk 14:18, 5 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete/redirect; fails WP:GNG and is mostly WP:FAN. lullabying (talk) 22:42, 3 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete. Fails GNG. --_{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here} 09:21, 4 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]
• Redirect to Autobot It would be impossible to make a valid article on this subject, as there are no reliable sources that meaningfully discuss this subject. ―Susmuffin ^Talk 10:43, 4 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete. Fictional, usual-variety fancruft. Fails GNG/NFICTION.Kacper IV (talk) 12:32, 5 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]
• Redirect to Autobot. It's a reasonable search term and this target contains sufficient information on the topic. Argento Surfer (talk) 17:56, 5 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete. This is a fictional piece of technology unlikely to be looked up. I looked at the references for Autobot and saw that they are pretty much all primary. - Knowledgekid87 (talk) 18:15, 5 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • @Knowledgekid87: The page has been viewed over 2,000 times in the last month, with about 70 views per day. It's hard to say how many of those were direct searches rather than internal links, but it's more than zero. The proposed target would also not be immediately obvious, even to some users familiar with the term. Argento Surfer (talk) 18:59, 5 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was redirect to Kazuhiko Mishima. RL0919 (talk) 00:03, 11 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Love Neco[edit]

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Article is a stub and is unreferenced. Subject does not pass WP:GNG and WP:NBOOK. lullabying (talk) 18:43, 3 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]

• Redirect to author Does not meet WP:WITHIN as it does not show any independent reliable sources to review the work. AngusWOOF (bark • sniff) 19:18, 3 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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• Redirect to Kazuhiko Mishima. This is a one shot with no indication of notability. - Knowledgekid87 (talk) 18:17, 5 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was keep. RL0919 (talk) 18:46, 10 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Marina (novel)[edit]

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Article makes no claim to notability and does not meet WP:GNG or WP:NBOOK. Cited reviews include a user-submitted review for the Guardian and a Publishers Weekly press blurb. I've found no independent, reliable reviews or other evidence of notability. Skeletor3000 (talk) 18:37, 3 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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strong keep: the book is known worldwide and was translated in several languages, not just in English. i.e in French, Italian, Polki, Portugese and so on.--Pampuco (talk) 20:16, 3 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Comment WP:NBOOK only considers translations to be a measure of notability for academic texts. I considered the book's potential importance in non-English markets during WP:BEFORE, and attempted to find Spanish-language reviews or mentions of the book, which yielded similar results to the English-language search. Admittedly, my search methods might not be the most effective. Are there any sources you could provide that demonstrate the book's notability in non-English language markets? Thanks. Skeletor3000 (talk) 20:26, 3 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Comment here is a review in Italian written by Angela Bianchini, a journalist of La Stampa (one of the most popular Italian newspapers), on Tuttolibri, its weekly supplement about books and literature. here there are some info about the book provided in French by a Quebec coopérative des Librairies indépendantes du Québec (coop of indipendent booksellers of Quebec).--Pampuco (talk) 21:25, 3 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Comment Thanks for your response. I've been unable to access the review even after making an account with La Stampa, but from the small amount I can access, it seems to be the sort of RS coverage we need. The second source appears to be a sales blurb consisting almost solely of plot details. I hope other editors reading this discussion will also try their hand at verifying the existence of substantial RS on the subject. Skeletor3000 (talk) 22:02, 3 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]

• Keep. This book meets WP:NBOOK criteria #1. It has received reviews from the Italian newspaper La Stampa ([32]), science fiction and fantasy magazine Tor.com ([33]), literary news magazine Publishers Weekly ([34]), and book review magazine Kirkus Reviews ([35]). These make up multiple reviews from independent and reliable sources. The book was also subject of a review in British newspaper The Guardian ([36]), although it was a reader-submitted review as part of the The Guardian's children's book site ([37]). MarkZusab (talk) 00:53, 4 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep Reviews in Publisher's Weekly and Kirkus, and also coverage in Horn Book alone suggests notability. Listings in libraries across the world for the various language editions also suggests notability. Best, Barkeep49 (talk) 19:36, 4 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep, meets WP:NBOOK and WP:GNG, in addition to the reviews listed above, there are reviews by Library Journal - "Spanish novelist Zafon's (The Prisoner of Heaven) cinematic writing ensnares the listener in a supernatural snow globe of altered reality both hypnotic and beguiling.", School Library Journal (star review) - "With elements of romance, mystery, and horror, none of them overwhelming the other, this complex volume that hints at Mary Shelley's Frankenstein manages to weave together three separate stories for a cohesive and eerie result.", Booklist - "Originally published in Spain in 1999, this sweeping gothic mystery from Zafon ..." (reviews are here), plus there are others but this will do:)). Coolabahapple (talk) 13:48, 5 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. RL0919 (talk) 18:48, 10 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Bernard Drake (disambiguation)[edit]

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Disambiguation is not required (WP:2DABS). The primary topic has a hatnote to the only other use. Originally PRODed by @Boleyn:, seconded by me, de-PRODed by @MarkZusab: with good-faith addition of an entry that was subsequently removed as a misspelling. Shhhnotsoloud (talk) 18:33, 3 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]

• Delete per WP:2DABS. Boleyn (talk) 19:35, 3 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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• Delete, per nom. The hatnote is sufficient.—ShelfSkewed Talk 02:08, 4 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete as per nomination. Article is also a very undeveloped stub.TH1980 (talk) 04:27, 7 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. RL0919 (talk) 18:51, 10 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]

North Macedonia (Greece)[edit]

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Complete WP:POINTy WP:OR/WP:POV fork. There is no "Northern Macedonia" in Greece, which is why the Greek government agreed to apply the term to its northern neighbour. The content of this article makes clear that this is a non-concept, mixing in the Ministry of Northern Greece, and the Northern Greek dialect, both of which are much broader than the supposed "North Macedonia (Greece)"... Constantine ✍ 18:00, 3 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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• Delete Lol, the maps included disprove its existence. Reywas92^Talk 19:52, 3 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]
• Comment: I disagree with the arguments used above. Just because "North Macedonia" isn't an official political area of Greece, that doesn't mean that the article cannot be created. For example Macedonia (region) is not a political boundary but a historical geographical one, and areas like Northern England and Southern Vietnam are cultural boundaries rather than strict legal ones. With this said, I agree that the current article is not good enough to warrant its own article because it does not use enough reliable sources. For this article to exist, it would require some more evidence that the term North(ern) Macedonia is often used in Greece to refer to the northern part of Greek Macedonia. Apples&Manzanas (talk) 21:44, 3 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment Apples&Manzanas, when I wrote 'There is no "Northern Macedonia" in Greece', I did not merely mean it as an 'official political area'. I also meant it as a cultural, geographic, and historical area (at least for the confines of modern Greek Macedonia, rather than as a generic descriptor for the northern parts of the wider Macedonia (region) in its various definitions by various authors). One of the reasons it is now being applied to the former Republic of Macedonia, is precisely because it is entirely unambiguous: the geographic term "north[ern] Macedonia" coincides largely with the modern state of the same name, and the same name/term is not otherwise used in any country. Constantine ✍ 16:00, 4 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete Per nomination. Greek Macedonia is the part of "Northern Greece" (Βόρεια Ελλάδα), together with Thrace (cf. the former "Ministry of Northern Greece", renamed later as Ministry of Macedonia and Thrace), but nobody talks in Greece of North (of Greek) Macedonia. There is not such a thing because of the "horizontal shape" of (Greek) Macedonia inside the Greek state. On the contrary, there is "Western", "Central" and "Eastern" (Greek) Macedonia. ǁǁǁ ǁ Chalk19 (talk) 01:27, 5 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]

PS. BTW, the creator of this article, user Argyross is probably a sock of the indef bocked (for abusing multiple accounts) user A. Katechis Mpourtoulis (cf. their edits, esp. on articles Othonoi, Diapontia Islands, Ano Panta, this edit at Magna Graecia and that one). ǁǁǁ ǁ Chalk19 (talk) 01:27, 5 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]

• Snow delete Even the text in the "article" seems to confuse (or fuse) the non-existant "Northern Macedonia" with Northern Greece. --T*U (talk) 17:18, 5 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete per WP:FORK. The issue is settled legally and in every other way. If we kept this article, we would only be adding to the confusion. Compare Palestinian law, where until 1948, "Palestinian law" referred to the law of the Mandated territories, with Upstate New York, which can mean different territories. "North Macedonia" means only one thing, and creating an article around outdated sources would be giving undue weight to an antiquated phrase. Bearian (talk) 19:37, 6 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete as it does not meet our standards for notability of a company. Barkeep49 (talk) 01:55, 11 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Terroir (company)[edit]

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In ten years nobody has found any reason to link to this article. I suggest, because it is not notable. — RHaworth (talk · contribs) 17:28, 3 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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• Delete, I note a main contributor to this has already been blocked for "Promotional username, promotional edits". Page seems too self serving as a whole. Teraplane (talk) 05:25, 5 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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• Comment, have just added a couple of terroir projects to the article that have quite a lot of useable online coverage ie. awards/media reports about them (have not added all the sources to the article:)), either these, one or more of the founders/principals, and/or the company can have wikiarticle(s), i reckon we should keep this one. Coolabahapple (talk) 14:28, 6 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete While some of their projects may be notable, that does not mean that this company basks in reflected notability. None of the references meet the criteria for establishing notability, topic fails GNG/NCORP. HighKing⁺⁺ 15:59, 8 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. RL0919 (talk) 18:57, 10 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Roman Strakhov[edit]

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Contested Prod as article has previously been to AfD and been kept as meeting WP:NFOOTY. However, a revision to NFOOTY mean the league he played in is no longer considered to have been fully professional. Fails NFOOTY as has not played or managed senior international football nor played or managed in a fully professional league. No indication that subject has garnered significant reliable coverage for any other achievements to satisfy GNG. Fenix down (talk) 16:58, 3 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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• Delete - fails WP:GNG and WP:NFOOTBALL. GiantSnowman 13:16, 4 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete per updated policy. Geschichte (talk) 19:41, 4 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was keep. Lord Roem ~ (talk) 16:19, 10 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Grandmother of Europe[edit]

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I am unconvinced that this is a term with any currency, a feeling exacerbated by the lack of references.TheLongTone (talk) 15:42, 3 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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• Keep - there is also Father-in-law of Europe which is notable. Interstellarity (talk) 20:18, 3 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]
• Redirect to Queen Victoria Queen Victoria#Descendants and haemophilia. There are a smattering of hits for others, but none from reliable sources. Only Victoria has those. Clarityfiend (talk) 20:31, 3 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]

  Yes, it does seem that reliable sources using this phrase are almost always referring to Victoria. These books are self-published. Phil Bridger (talk) 09:57, 4 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]

I normally go for redirects , but in this case I think it would merely be baffling. Is there anything in the article on Victoria mentioning the phrase?TheLongTone (talk) 15:44, 6 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]

It's noted at Queen Victoria#Descendants and haemophilia, so the redirect should be to that particular section. Clarityfiend (talk) 20:41, 6 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]

• Keep - this is a well-attested term used throughout history, most recently for Queen Victoria, albeit not in current use for any living person. This is useful for our core readers' navigation and as a list of women who held this informal title. Bearian (talk) 19:47, 6 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]

  Can you point to any reliable sources that use this description for anyone other than Victoria? Phil Bridger (talk) 20:14, 6 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]

• Keep the term is notable We keep this as a service to our readers. Lightburst (talk) 22:06, 6 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]

  I would ask you the same question that I asked above of Bearian. I'm quite prepared to believe that this term has been applied to other people in other reliable sources than those applying to Victoria, if evidence is provided, but I can't find any such sources myself. Phil Bridger (talk) 22:13, 6 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]

  Not sure how reliable they are, but here is one using the term for Louise of Hesse-Kassel, and here is another using it for Carolina of Orange-Nassau. Victoria does seem to be the overwhelming favorite for the term, though. PohranicniStraze (talk) 17:45, 9 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]

• The first (history.info) is of dubious reliability, and the second uses the term as a description, not as a full-fledged nickname, and is of suspect reliability too. Clarityfiend (talk) 21:16, 9 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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• Keep passes GNG easily. — Harshil ^{want to talk?} 04:21, 10 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was redirect to List of Black Widow characters. It's WP:CRYSTAL that the character will get more notability-establishing coverage because of an upcoming film, but it's also not unheard of. Redirect until then as an alternative to deletion. – sgeureka ^t•c 19:49, 10 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Iron Maiden (comics)[edit]

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This fails to establish notability. The character simply existing in an upcoming film is does not equate to being notable. It can be restored should the film give enough sources to establish notability. TTN (talk) 15:13, 3 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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• Keep as I think it is premature to delete when there is an upcoming film appearance which will likely generate more sources talking about the character than we already have in the article, but failing that a merge to List of Black Widow characters until the Black Widow film comes out makes more sense than outright deletion. BOZ (talk) 15:26, 3 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]
• Redirect to List of Black Widow characters as a non-notable character._{ZXCVBNM (TALK)} 21:01, 3 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]
• Comment WP:NCOMIC says the character is presumed notable if "Featured prominently in [a ...] movie of a comic book property (e.g. not a cameo)". If the character has a prominent role in Black Widow as expected, this article meets the essay critera. Eagles 24/7 (C) 21:09, 3 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]

• That's a really bad project guideline that nobody should use. That partly how we currently have this unending mess of articles. TTN (talk) 21:11, 3 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]

• Is there another notability guideline or essay specific for comic book characters somewhere? Eagles 24/7 (C) 21:15, 3 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]

• I don't think so, but it seems easy enough to default to WP:WAF and WP:GNG. This definitely doesn't have a real world perspective, and news articles about simple inclusion in a movie don't really do anything for content or notability. The opinions in that essay seem like a holdover from the Wikipedia of a decade ago where people simply made the assumption of notability on fictional items. Though the essay itself is relatively new. TTN (talk) 21:25, 3 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]

• Redirect to List of Black Widow characters. I did an extensive search on Google and Newspapers.com to find any significant coverage of the character to no avail. If/when the character receives more coverage after the release of the film in May to pass WP:GNG, I would support a standalone article. Looking at the current state of List of Black Widow characters, I do not see how a merge of the contents from this article could happen. The essential information is already given in the table, and the remaining content in this article is too trivial (and probably undue weight) to include there. Eagles 24/7 (C) 00:52, 4 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete. Fails GNG and I don't think the supposed list fares better. --_{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here} 09:22, 4 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]
• Redirect... somewhere as an alternative to deletion. This has an odd nomination... if "it can be restored" later, why delete it outright and make someone's life more difficult? I guess we could Draft it (unless someone wants to volunteer their Sandbox). Maybe Drafting is better since if there's nothing to add, it will eventually speedy WP:G13. I don't have a target preference—didn't even know that list existed. -2pou (talk) 22:15, 4 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep per Eagles247. The mass WP:COMICS deletion nominations from TTN (who appears woefully unfamiliar with subject matter of these nominations) is also troubling. The rationales behind a few of these, including Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Goblin (Marvel Comics) are also erroneous and unjustified. Maybe they should open a larger discussion expressing their concern with the WikiProject instead? DarkKnight2149 22:11, 7 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]

• @Darkknight2149: My !vote ended up being "redirect". Eagles 24/7 (C) 22:16, 7 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]

• My vote still stands. Maybe a merge would also be justified. DarkKnight2149 22:17, 7 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]

• No problem, just wanted to clarify since your rationale for keeping this article is agreeing with an editor who does not think the article is notable enough for inclusion on a stand-alone basis at this time. Eagles 24/7 (C) 22:22, 7 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. Ritchie333 ^{(talk) (cont)} 12:44, 11 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Karl Schmitz[edit]

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Appears to have a couple featured articles because he was signed by the Broncos and Buccaneers in the 2015 NFL offseason as a 28 year old rookie after posting YouTube videos of trick shots. Fails WP:NGRIDIRON and likely fails WP:GNG due to lack of significant coverage. Eagles 24/7 (C) 15:09, 3 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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• Delete. There does appear to be some significant coverage, including an Associated Press feature story. See pt 1, pt 2. Doesn't count as multiple sources, but the same AP story was also picked up in the Los Angeles Times (here) and other papers nationwide. This could be written off as a "feel good" story about a 28-year-old getting NFL attention from YouTube videos, but it is a feature story and represents significant coverage. That said, multiple examples of significant coverage are needed for him to pass WP:GNG. I am not finding that but will reconsider my "delete" vote if additional coverage is found. Cbl62 (talk) 16:08, 3 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was merge relevant content to Javontee Herndon and redirect to that page. Eagles 24/7 (C) 19:42, 3 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Jay Herndon[edit]

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Non-notable FCS college football wide receiver, fails WP:NGRIDIRON and WP:GNG. Eagles 24/7 (C) 14:54, 3 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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• Delete. Played for the Arkansas Razorbacks in Division I FBS, but my searches do not turn up significant coverage in reliable, independent sources of the type needed to pass WP:GNG. Cbl62 (talk) 15:53, 3 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]
• This article is actually a duplicate of Javontee Herndon, and he played in 8 NFL games thereby passing WP:NGRIDIRON. I am going to speedy close this discussion, merge the relevant content to the Javontee Herndon article, and redirect this page to that one. Eagles 24/7 (C) 19:42, 3 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. RL0919 (talk) 15:11, 10 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]

J.J. Laster[edit]

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Non-notable former FCS running back and lower level college football assistant coach. Fails WP:NGRIDIRON and WP:GNG. Eagles 24/7 (C) 14:53, 3 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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• Delete per nom. Does not meet WP:GNG and not notable for stand alone article in regards to his football playing days or coaching. Trivial and reading like a poor attempt at a CV. Kierzek (talk) 15:14, 3 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete per nom. My searches turned up mentions in game coverage, but not the sort of significant coverage needed to satisfy WP:GNG. Cbl62 (talk) 15:46, 3 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete a non-notable figure in American football.John Pack Lambert (talk) 18:44, 3 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was keep. North America¹⁰⁰⁰ 15:05, 10 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Reagan Dale Neis[edit]

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Neis has not had multiple significant roles in notable productions. The article is also only sourced to IMDb, which is not a reliable source. John Pack Lambert (talk) 14:44, 3 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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• Keep Multiple roles, significant coverage. I've expanded and added information to the article. Megalibrarygirl (talk) 00:53, 5 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep per WP:HEY based on the many improvements made by Megalibrarygirl. Bearian (talk) 19:49, 6 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep per WP:HEY as the article has been improved with the addition of multiple reliable sources that pass WP:GNG and also show that the actress has had prominent roles in notable productions, imv Atlantic306 (talk) 23:28, 8 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep as article now substantiates that subject is sufficiently notable Fawcett5 (talk) 15:08, 9 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. Tone 23:05, 10 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]

List of smartphones with LTE Advanced support[edit]

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The article is not perfectly written. I thought initially to PROD it but wanted to reach the consensus from fellow Wikipedians. Abishe (talk) 13:45, 3 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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• Delete. Simple case of WP:NOTCATALOGUE. Ajf773 (talk) 18:53, 3 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was soft delete. WP:REFUND applies. North America¹⁰⁰⁰ 14:59, 10 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Platin Shopping Center[edit]

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Fails WP:GNG and the content primarily depends on a single source. Abishe (talk) 13:33, 3 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. Tone 15:02, 10 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Matiss Kivlenieks[edit]

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Player fails to meet WP:GNG or WP:NHOCKEY. Can be recreated when/if he ever meets either or otherwise achieves notability. DJSasso (talk) 13:32, 3 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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• Delete does not meet our extremely broad inclusion guidelines for hockey players.John Pack Lambert (talk) 14:53, 3 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete as hockey player guidelines aren't met. GoodDay (talk) 15:10, 3 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete If/When he plays in the NHL (or clears WP:NHOCKEY in another way), the article can be restored, but at this point it falls short. Kaiser matias (talk) 18:06, 3 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete, because he fails notability guidelines. – Sabbatino (talk) 11:35, 5 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. Tone 15:02, 10 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]

List of apologies to China[edit]

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There is no need to have a list article like this. Wikipedia doesn't have such type of list article. Abishe (talk) 13:28, 3 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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• Delete I have a feeling that this article might be a WP:DIRECTORY, and possibly not following WP:NPOV. It also doesn't help that the article lists figures and groups who have "apologized" to China along with Chinese companies themselves (which of course are generally going to be "pro-China") Khu'hamgaba Kitap ^talk 14:34, 3 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete Lists of people apologizing for specific things are going to be hard enough. This is an open ended list of people apologizing for anything, anytime, as long as it in some way can be construed as "to China". This is not that notable, not defining, and not even fully quantifiable, especially with the rise of the back handed apology.John Pack Lambert (talk) 14:47, 3 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]

  They get coverage for making an official apology to the government of China. Dream Focus 19:09, 5 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]

• Delete. Hyperbolick (talk) 15:58, 3 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete per all of the above. Lugnuts ^{Fire Walk with Me} 18:30, 3 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete per WP:SNOW. Whoever created this travesty of a list should apologize to Wikipedia. Clarityfiend (talk) 20:34, 3 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete I’m really sorry, but this needs to be deleted as per above. Brunton (talk) 20:56, 3 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]

• Delete - Why does Wikipedia even need this? In my own POV, this might be (slightly) defamatory to the companies (and so) listed here. Wikipedia should promote neutrality, and people reading this article will likely take a stand, either for or against China, which is not Wikipedians want. Lord of Math (Prove me wrong) 01:27, 4 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]

  WP:NOTNEEDED is not a valid reason to delete something. It is not defamatory to companies since they made public apologies. Wikipedia does not censor. WP:CENSOR You can't delete an article because you believe someone might form an opinion about something. Dream Focus 19:09, 5 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]

• Delete per nom.--Jack Upland (talk) 01:29, 4 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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• Keep https://www.marketwatch.com/story/a-brief-history-of-corporate-apologies-to-china-2019-10-09 https://www.businesslive.co.za/bd/world/asia/2019-10-08-global-brands-offer-groveling-apologies-to-china/ https://thefederalist.com/2019/10/10/14-times-american-companies-self-censored-or-apologized-to-appease-communist-china/ https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/opinion/corporate-americas-subservience-to-china-and-american-populism-cannot-coexist and other results appear with a Google news search for "apologies to China". This is a notable topic, clearly meets the General Notability Guidelines. Dream Focus 01:31, 4 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]

  @Dream Focus: I feel that would be better served as an article titled Western companies and China or something like that. –MJL ‐Talk‐^☖ 16:51, 5 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]

• Delete - the thing here is not about notability, it’s about whether it is meant to be in an encyclopedia. Frankly, I'm not an experienced user on Wikipedia, but my sense tells me that this is far from fit in any encyclopedia. 數神, the Lord of Math (Prove me wrong; My contributions to the world in numbers) 09:09, 4 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]

• Already !voted above. Geschichte (talk) 19:43, 4 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]

• Comment - The article in its current form is POV as it entirely lacks the context of the apologies. Judging from the content as well as the tone of the sources cited, a better title might be List of entities who bent to pressure after expressing support for protests in Hong Kong. I'm wondering if this short list can be merged in its entirety into Reactions to the 2019 Hong Kong protests. Daß Wölf 11:52, 4 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]
• Comment Note that Wikipedia is still blocked in China. Should we apologise too? Andrew🐉(talk) 13:41, 4 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]
• Comment Isn't the article written with political motives and lets say could be related to 2019 Hong Kong protests. I wonder why Wikipedia should apologise to China because its China who blocked Wikipedia. Maybe Wikipedia could also be included in the list. We should comply with WP:NPOV. Abishe (talk) 15:00, 5 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete. This technically abides by the rule for significant coverage, but looking at this as a reasonable person, it seems to be a well-meaning but intentional fork of the One-China Principle, written as an essay that gives undue weight to the concerns about insults. The page also attaches a list this is a catchall for different things - sovereign and corporate apologies, and responding to both intentional insults and accidental gaffes. Bearian (talk) 20:02, 6 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]

This expresses my sentiments about the article as well. Daß Wölf 14:09, 7 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was keep. Tone 15:02, 10 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]

List of countries by number of public holidays[edit]

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I don't think there is no need to have a separate list article for this. This list may not be needed as we have List of holidays by country. I also Afded List of apologies to China which is another list article that may not be needed. Abishe (talk) 13:26, 3 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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• Delete. Appears to be original research. Also very incomplete. Ajf773 (talk) 18:57, 3 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]
• Surprised keep. The Telegraph,[38] The Toronto Star,[39] ABC News[40] and Business Insider[41] have all compiled such lists (though they don't agree with this one). Clarityfiend (talk) 20:42, 3 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]

  I don't think it's particularly surprising. Here in the UK it's commonly remarked that we have fewer such holidays than most other countries. Phil Bridger (talk) 10:17, 4 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]

• Delete — Doesn't belong in an encyclopedia.--Jack Upland (talk) 01:31, 4 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]
• keep reliable sources have been found. The article could benefit from listing the days and names of these holidays. Dream Focus 22:29, 4 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep per WP:RS WP:NEXIST Lightburst (talk) 22:11, 6 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]
• Weak keep as meets GNG. It does sound like something a journalist would write about when they are bored, but nevertheless there is something to write about here. J947 ^(c), at 00:29, 7 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]
• Conditional keep only if this AFD is closed by a person during an official holiday in their country.^[FBDB] –MJL ‐Talk‐^☖ 05:53, 7 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]

  In all seriousness, I'm leaning keep but it's practically a coin flip at this point. This thing has a bit too much WP:OR to be salvageable at the moment. –MJL ‐Talk‐^☖ 05:56, 7 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]

• Keep and expand - Clarityfiend demonstrates it meets WP:LISTN. Daß Wölf 19:05, 9 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. Malcolmxl5 (talk) 16:43, 10 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Nikolaos Mikroulis[edit]

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Footballer who fails GNG and NFOOTY. BlameRuiner (talk) 13:23, 3 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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• Delete does not meet our extremely broad inclusion criteria for footballers.John Pack Lambert (talk) 14:54, 3 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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• Weak keep Most of them are transfers, but I found one source in the WP:REFBOMB that's probably not = "Ξανά στην ομάδα της καρδιάς του ο Σμοΐλης, στην ΑΕΛ και ο Μικρούλης". ミラP 01:46, 4 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete - fails WP:GNG and WP:NFOOTBALL. GiantSnowman 13:16, 4 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete, falls outside of Wikipedia's scope. Geschichte (talk) 19:45, 4 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. Malcolmxl5 (talk) 16:37, 10 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Amit Nagpal[edit]

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Non-notable story-teller and brand coach. Ref's are mix of press releases and syndicate feeds. No effective coverage per WP:SIGCOV and WP:BIO. scope_creep^Talk

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• Comment This wasn't transcluded correctly, so I have added it to the last day. scope_creep^Talk 12:52, 3 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]

• That may have been me moving the AfD page. Thought I changed everything but may have forgot something. J947 ^(c), at 23:05, 3 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]

• Delete a non-notable person in advertising.John Pack Lambert (talk) 14:49, 3 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]
• Weak keep - there's broad coverage in the news, but I'm unsure if we could consider that significant enough. Bearian (talk) 22:40, 3 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]

I saw these, they are not the best. One is blog. Three of these are syndicated feeds (him talking), one is twitter feed, one is a single sentence, one is him as resident complaining about the noise of construction, One is the The Dubai Health Awards which is not him and one is a LinkedIn article by him, that is syndicated as a feed. The first ref is a real secondary ref, but the rank are not the best nor highest quality refs. scope_creep^Talk 23:26, 3 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]

• Delete - the coverage seems to be much broader than deep. Changing my !vote. Bearian (talk) 20:06, 6 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete - despite the WP:REFBOMBING characteristic of this editor's creations, the subject does not appear to me to pass WP:GNG. Also very likely WP:UPE. -- Begoon 07:24, 7 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was redirect to Marvel Family. Redirects are cheap. Unlikely search terms but the history is preserved. Tone 22:59, 10 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]

List of Marvel Family enemies (A–G)[edit]

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This list is composed entirely of in-universe description of trivial plot details, sourced only to the work of fiction itself. It gives very obscure fictional characters undue weight and also contains quite a bit of original research, given the sparse and primary nature of the sourcing. I am also nominating the following for the same reasons:

• List of Marvel Family enemies (H–M)
• List of Marvel Family enemies (N–Z),

and also this container list, which will be useless when the child articles are deleted

• List of Marvel Family enemies Reyk _YO! 12:45, 3 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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• Delete This can be covered in other articles, it does not warrant a seperate list.John Pack Lambert (talk) 13:13, 3 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete all - The grouping does not establish notability. There are 27 primary DC character lists that can house any DC characters, so this being a necessary article fork is not established either. TTN (talk) 15:00, 3 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep all four articles - The combined size of the four articles is over 200kB, and would be arduous to merge into Marvel Family, which is just over 30 kB. If the articles can not be kept, they should be redirected to Marvel Family in order to keep the history. --Jax 0677 (talk) 15:32, 3 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete All - Nearly all of these entries are completely non-notable, being one-shot characters that appeared in one issue of a comic ever. The handful of characters that actually are notable (i.e. Captain Nazi, Black Adam, etc) already have their own articles. The remainder is complete non-notable cruft sourced only to the single comic issues that they appeared in. Rorshacma (talk) 16:32, 3 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete all. More of WP:FANCRUFT and WP:NOR. Ajf773 (talk) 18:54, 3 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete all Extremely trivial comic-cruft lists that fail WP:LISTN hard._{ZXCVBNM (TALK)} 20:58, 3 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete or prune. I doubt this list is useful and satisfies LISTN through I guess the 'prune all that don't have articles' approach is fair for now, too. --_{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here} 09:23, 4 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep - I have to agree with @Jax 0677: on his claim. Plus, there are some redirects from The Kid Superpower Hour with Shazam! that go to the child pages. If it is Merge, perhaps they can be reorganized like the rogues gallery pages for the other known superheroes. --Rtkat3 (talk) 03:51, 6 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete all - clearly fails LISTN. Cjhard (talk) 07:46, 9 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. Ritchie333 ^{(talk) (cont)} 12:44, 11 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Abhi Nahi Toh Kabhi Nahi[edit]

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No sign that this "upcoming" film ever started principal photography which is the requirement for a standalone article about a film per WP:NFF. The existing sources only mention early casting choices and some of them say that the film was due to be released in February 2016, but that does not appear to have been the case. (Especially since the article was created in March, 2016, and it was still "upcoming" then.) There is no significant coverage in independent sources, so WP:GNG is also not met. Most of the search hits are news blurbs from 2015 stating that one of the actors would not appear in this film,* which is not exactly encyclopedia material.bonadea contributions talk 12:41, 3 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]

*Not to be confused with Sir Not-Appearing-in-this-Film.

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• delete the film doesnt pass WP:NFILM. If we consider for general notability criteria, all of the references I could find are press releases. These references are vague too. One ref that i could find was about a notable actor's sister getting a role in this film, which was not about the film too. The film had just one passing reference in that source. As the film lacks significant coverage in reliable sources, it also fails general notability criteria. Also, per the rationale provided by nominator. —usernamekiran(talk) 02:07, 8 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]
• draftifyNotable movie which will pass GNG easily but TOOEARLY to have an article. — Harshil ^{want to talk?} 04:22, 10 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]

  @Harshil169: erm... How can it be notable if it doesnt pass GNG? —usernamekiran(talk) 16:15, 10 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]

  Usernamekiran, It received coverage in multiple independent reliable sources which are enough to pass GNG but movie is not launched yet. Hence, we should draft it. Harshil ^{want to talk?} 17:14, 10 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]

  Great – would you mind posting those sources here, or even better, add them to the article? --bonadea contributions talk 17:54, 10 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]

undefined*::::Bonadea, they’re given in article. Harshil ^{want to talk?} 22:17, 10 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]

• @Harshil169: WP:NFILM, and WP:GNG are different from each-other. A film doesnt have to pass both the guidelines. GNG can be applied to everything including, but not limited to persons, schools, and films; whereas NFILM is a subject specific guideline - only for films. But this film doesnt pass GNG. It is not necessary for a film to have begun photography or released iff it passes GNG. We always have many article for unreleased films (category:2021 films). We also have articles on "dream projects" that are not even going to be proposed, or about failed proposals, or about failed projects. Nothing else matters if the topic passes GNG. —usernamekiran(talk) 10:35, 11 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete and redirect to Dragonriders of Pern as a likely search term to its primary topic. A dab page can and should be created separately. – sgeureka ^t•c 14:30, 10 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Pern[edit]

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What makes this fictional planet notable? The article is all based on PRIMARY sources, and fails GNG/NFICTION. BEFORE finds some discussions of AMC's books, but not of her worldbuilding (or this planet in particular). This content belongs on https://pern.fandom.com/wiki/Pern , not here (someone may want to copy the map there, I don't see it on wikia); the rest of the content is already copied there. _{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here} 11:57, 3 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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• Keep. The major setting of the most significant works of a major writer. This recent swathe of attempted deletions of articles on fantasy and science fiction topics makes me uncomfortable, as it suggests that some editors are having fun getting rid of valid content, which is certainly not what Wikipedia is all about. We delete rubbish and very minority interest material. We do not usually delete material that is central to major literary works and games. -- Necrothesp (talk) 13:44, 3 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • Do you have some reliable secondary sources? Central to works by a major author or otherwise, if we don't have the sources, I'm not sure we should have an article. Josh Milburn (talk) 13:57, 3 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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• Redirect to Dragonriders of Pern#Overview. While there is certainly a lot of sources about the series and its books, I'm not finding any discussions in reliable, secondary sources about the planet in specific that would warrant an article separate from the main overview of the series and its setting. A selective merge could potentially be done to fill out the "Overview" section of the main article a bit, but as nearly all of this appears to either be unsourced or sourced only to the books themselves, I don't know how much of this content is actually worth including there. Rorshacma (talk) 16:41, 3 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete, then create a dab page including a redirect to Dragonriders of Pern#Overview, Pern, Lot, Pern (bird), Pakistan Educational Research Network, the title character of The Life of Rock with Brian Pern, the station code of Pernem railway station and PERN Przyjazn SA. Clarityfiend (talk) 20:48, 3 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • Except that this is the clear primary topic for the word. -- Necrothesp (talk) 11:29, 4 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]
    • Except it isn't worth a standalone article. Clarityfiend (talk) 06:43, 6 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]
• Redirect' to Dragonriders of Pern per Rorshacma and per WP:TNT. Even if there is a notable topic here, it needs to be totally rewritten from scratch._{ZXCVBNM (TALK)} 20:53, 3 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete - Fails to establish notability. TTN (talk) 23:56, 3 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete. Fictional, usual-variety fancruft. Pure PLOT. Fails GNG/NFICTION.Kacper IV (talk) 12:31, 5 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete and create dab page, per Clarityfiend. There are obviously several articles that could legitimately have this title. Josh Milburn (talk) 19:12, 5 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • Except that this is the clear primary topic for the word. Anarchangel (talk) 02:43, 6 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. Tone 15:04, 10 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Machinima Island[edit]

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non-notable project with no refs or sources; article and related articles appear to be authored by creator. Dr42 (talk) 11:01, 3 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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