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The result was speedy deletion. —Cryptic 06:06, 10 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Mirudhandan[edit]

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An engineer works for Apple. Fails WP:GNG, WP:RS and WP:SIGCOV. CASSIOPEIA(talk) 23:35, 7 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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  • Sorry, maybe my tone didn't come across: by "somewhat aspirational" I was suggesting "wannabe". I am tempted to mark this article for CSD as a hoax but am doing some due diligence for sources first. AllyD (talk) 07:18, 8 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]
  • Hi AllyD, Understand your thoughts and where you came from. I PORDed the page under no source first to give the author a chance to provided sources. After sources provided, it is evident that the subject fails WP:N requirements. Cheers. CASSIOPEIA(talk) 07:30, 8 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was delete. Sandstein 08:01, 15 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Jay Cunning[edit]

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Autobiographical article about someone who has received no nontrivial coverage in independent sources, as I fail to see how the sources presented in the previous AfD constitute significant coverage. Fails the relevant notability guidelines (GNG, NMUSIC). Compassionate727 (T·C) 22:54, 7 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete: Fails — Preceding unsigned comment added by NANExcella (talkcontribs) 09:47, 11 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was keep. Sandstein 08:01, 15 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]

PAKO (video game)[edit]

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Doesn't meet WP:GNG. The poor quality references don't establish significant coverage, nor do they confirm much of the text which reads like a self-written game review, so I suspect WP:OR. Derek Andrews (talk) 14:06, 17 May 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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These refs are all for Pako 2, and I'd suggest a name-change, post a keep !vote in AfD. Regarding the WP:OR claim - I think that might be hard to demonstrate sufficiently. There are WP:PROMO aspects, and it clearly isn't smoothly written, but neither of those is grounds for deletion. Nosebagbear (talk) 20:55, 24 May 2018 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was delete. Sandstein 08:02, 15 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Subzero Records[edit]

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This record label does not substantial coverage in independent reliable sources for notability. GeoffreyT2000 (talk) 22:04, 7 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. As pointed out, the page is actually pointless at the moment, especially as it has no incoming links. As pointed out in the nom, if someone feels there is a neutrality issue then start an RM at Skandha to move the pages around and then create a dab. Black Kite (talk) 10:49, 17 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Skandha (disambiguation)[edit]

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Unnecessary dab page as there is a main topic and one disambiguated topic which can be handled in a hatnote. An editor believes the dab page is needed to preserve neutrality: they could propose a page move of the Buddhist topic to Skandha (Buddhism), but at present there is no need for this disambiguation page. PamD 22:03, 7 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. Black Kite (talk) 10:50, 17 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Robin Rouse Wells[edit]

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I've tried finding any kind of better sourcing for this individual, and come up empty. I find their books, of course, but very little more than that as far as biographical data or indications that the books are particularly significant (few reviews, and those tend to be on blog-style sites). The name is somewhat common, so I've tried some variant searches ([2], [3], [4]), but can find nothing besides "about the author" blurbs from publishers (and in books; while I initially thought the Google Books results looked promising, those are about the author sections too!), and I just don't see enough here to sustain a biography. Seraphimblade Talk to me 21:15, 7 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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move to Robin Wells, the name on the book jackets. USA Today believes that she's got fans [‘The French War Bride’ author Robin Wells celebrates ‘forbidden love’ with some recommended reads; the French War Bride appears to have been published in French translation [5]. Here she is in Bustle (magazine): 16 Books Everyone Should Read Before Getting Married (scroll to end of list). I suspect that there is more if searches are run with her proper name and book titles. I also suspect that she lived in Louisiana because The Advocate (Louisiana) covers her and pretty regularly and The Times-Picayune covers her intensely. I'm almost out of time for now, but the paper covered her fist novel with A WOMAN TO WATCH WRITER A REAL SUCCESS STORY: [MANDEVILLE Edition] LYDIA BELL Contributing writer. Times - Picayune (pre-1997 Fulltext); New Orleans, La. [New Orleans, La]29 Sep 1996and has continued to cover her with articles like (2013) Mandeville author Robin Wells to teach novel writing courses at SLU, and Shelf Life: Adventurers in reading Larson, Susan. Times - Picayune; New Orleans, La. [New Orleans, La]13 Feb 2008 a book review of Between the Sheets that ran in the general, not the local, edition. there's more.E.M.Gregory (talk) 22:24, 7 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. 78.26 (spin me / revolutions) 15:53, 15 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Timeline of Twitch.tv[edit]

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The content of this article and sources listed are an effective duplication of the content on the main Twitch.tv article and do not provide any more info aside from information on competitors such as a streamer changing platform which is irrelevant to a timeline of Twitch anyway. It is a format which just focuses to closely to unimportant details which are far better explained in the main article. It also seems to not have been updated in sometime (unsurprising for a paid article), probably also because the main article is a better place for any updates, as it has been. FeWorld (talk) 20:24, 7 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. Sandstein 08:44, 15 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Blockweather Holdings[edit]

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First created in September 2017 and promptly deleted straight afterwards, this relatively new hedge fund remains as non-notable as it was just under a year ago, with no substantial new sources, but a lot more Crunchbase etc. company profiles jcc (tea and biscuits) 19:38, 7 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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See Wikipedia:Other stuff exists. This is the best explanation I've seen, from KJP1: It's always tough to help new editors understand that comparisons with other articles are rarely strong arguments. This essay has a good shot at explaining why. Wikipedia's a constant work in progress and articles are created, amended and deleted all the time. I see both of the competitor articles you cite have been either tagged for deletion in the past, or still tagged as "multiple issues". A quick look suggests to me that at least one of them is very weakly-sourced. Neither may survive. Or they might. But, in the end, your draft will be accepted on its own merits, or declined on its own flaws. jcc (tea and biscuits) 11:41, 8 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was delete. 78.26 (spin me / revolutions) 15:55, 15 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Carla Boyce[edit]

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Fails WP:NFOOTBALL as she hasn't played for a senior national team or in a game between two clubs. Fails WP:GNG as none of the sources are anything other than routine coverage. Dougal18 (talk) 18:59, 7 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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I am also nominating the following related pages because none pass WP:NFOOTBALL or WP:GNG for the same reasons.

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Comment Clachers' sources only mention her in brief ie "she made a save" or "scored from a goal kick" in the second source. They are just routine coverage. Dougal18 (talk) 16:34, 8 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was delete. Sandstein 08:00, 15 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Toyota Winglet[edit]

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Non-notable FUTURE PRODUCT. Dennis Bratland (talk) 19:02, 7 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was redirect to Sítio do Picapau Amarelo (1977 TV series). Sandstein 08:45, 15 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Sítio do Picapau Amarelo Vol. 2 (album)[edit]

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Non-notable soundtrack without any coverage in reliable sources. Fails WP:NALBUMS. StarcheerspeaksnewslostwarsTalk to me 18:45, 7 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Starcheerspeaksnewslostwars, the first album was incorrectly titled – it was originally released in 1977... I don't know where the "(2001 album)" addition to the title came from, maybe it was reissued on CD in that year, and the article creator used the new title to recreate the article after deletion.it was a delayed third addition to the series of soundtrack albums based on the 1977 TV series. This Vol. 2 is from 1979, and is also related to the 1977 series, so a redirect to that series would be plausible, but I take your point that with an identical search name to the TV series and no independent coverage found, a redirect might be pointless. Richard3120 (talk) 14:50, 8 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was keep. Sarahj2107 (talk) 20:59, 14 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Christodora (novel)[edit]

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Novel which has no strong claim of notability besides the fact that it exists, and no strong reliable sourcing about it to get it over WP:NBOOK. The only references here are the author's own self-published website and his user-generated GoodReads profile, not reliable sources that help to establish notability, and other than stating that it exists and then mini-biographing its writer because he doesn't have a standalone BLP yet, the only other content here is a plot description. Every book that exists is not automatically entitled to a Wikipedia article, however -- it needs to have a credible claim of notability (such as making a bestseller list and/or winning or getting nominated for a notable literary award), and it needs to be the subject of enough critical attention to pass GNG. Bearcat (talk) 18:33, 7 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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The book has been reviewed in The Guardian in its 'Book of the Day' series (23 Feb 2017);
received a short review in The Guardian's sister-publication The Observer;
was reviewed in the Washington Post;
was reviewed in the London Review of Books;
was reviewed in the Star Tribune;
was reviewed in Slate's 'Outward';
was reviewed in the Irish Times;
was beyond-trivially mentioned in the New York Times in its L.G.B.T. fiction shortlist;
and was reviewed in French-language Canadian weekly newspaper Voir.
(There's quite possibly more. This is the point where I stopped looking). AddWittyNameHere (talk) 03:30, 8 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was delete. Sarahj2107 (talk) 20:57, 14 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Media5[edit]

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A WP:PROMO page on an unremarkable Canadian company. Does no meet WP:CORPDEPTH. Cannot find significant RS coverage; what comes up is trivial mentions and self-promotion link. The page was first created under Media5 Corporation and deleted twice under speedy delete and PROD. It's WP:TOOSOON for an encyclopedic entry. Edidiong (talk) 18:32, 7 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. Sandstein 08:45, 15 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Lion Supermarket[edit]

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Delete Run-of-the-mill supermarket chain that has 6 stores. No indications of notability. Wikipedia is not a Yellow Pages. References fail the criteria for establishing notability. Topic fails GNG and WP:NCORP. HighKing++ 18:19, 7 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete - this article has a tag at the top saying it may not meet Wikipedia's notability guidelines. Vorbee (talk) 08:31, 8 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. Sandstein 08:45, 15 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]

168 Market[edit]

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Delete Run-of-the-mill supermarket chain that had 5 stores before being bought. No indications of notability. References fail the criteria for establishing notability. Topic fails GNG and WP:NCORP. HighKing++ 18:17, 7 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. As participants have noted, there was nothing procedurally wrong with importing public domain content into Wikipedia as long as the authors are properly credited. The fact that an article solely consists of properly attributed public domain material is therefore not a valid reason alone for deleting an article. However, several editors have noted that the same content exists in better form in other articles on Wikipedia, namely Aegean civilizations, and because of this, there is a consensus that it is unnecessary to keep this article. Mz7 (talk) 22:03, 14 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]

History of discovery and distribution of the remains of Aegean civilization[edit]

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This seems to be just a straight copy of the 1911 David Hogarth article in Encyclopædia Britannica which is given as its source. Surely an article should be based on its sources, not copying them? Thank you. Izzat Kutebar (talk) 16:18, 7 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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Note that I misread the G12 criteria, public domain content isn't G12 even without attribution. However, the page should still be deleted due to all information already being contained at Aegean civilizations. Nanophosis (talk) 17:22, 7 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]
I agree that it would not be a useful term for search so would definitely prefer to delete rather than redirect. I'm finding all this about 1911 EB very interesting, though, and must research it all. Thank you, all. Izzat Kutebar (talk) 18:22, 7 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]
My enthusiasm may get the better of me. If you think I have made a mistake, please correct it and let me know as I am still on the learning curve here. I don't think the categorisation has been done very well and I've been trying to improve it for the sake of navigation. I suppose that is what you are meaning about being incautious? Thank you. Izzat Kutebar (talk) 15:25, 9 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Ok, but the actual grounds in the nomination are not valid, as has been pointed out. Johnbod (talk) 23:25, 12 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was delete. 78.26 (spin me / revolutions) 17:25, 14 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Situs Holdings, LLC[edit]

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For the same reason as last time: a promotional article about an unremarkable company.

The first AfD was closed as "no consensus" because of keep !votes from two editors: Variation 25.2, a sockpuppet of a blocked editor, and Mar11, who has just been blocked and seems to be associated with the same UPE sockfarm. See WP:COIN#Mar11 reviews. – Joe (talk) 16:13, 7 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was speedy delete (G5, Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/CAD Red Plaanet). MER-C 18:08, 10 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Instapage[edit]

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Fails WP:ORG . Promotional article about a non-notable company. Razer(talk) 15:33, 7 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. Black Kite (talk) 10:50, 17 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Cáel M. Keegan[edit]

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I don't believe this scholar satisfies WP:ACADEMIC. The page has sources, sure, but on close inspection I do not feel they provide the significant coverage required. Polyamorph (talk) 14:38, 7 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]


Keep. Keegan's page cites five reliable and independent sources, including NBC News, Vice, Inside Higher Ed, and Michigan Public Radio. Although each source has a only a brief discussion of Keegan, altogether they show that Keegan is an essential voice in contemporary discussions of transgender identity, rights, and representation. The stature of these sources demonstrate that while Keegan is an early career scholar, he is already acknowledged to be a recognized expert in this important field.

According to WP:BASIC, "People are presumed notable if they have received significant coverage in multiple published secondary sources that are reliable, intellectually independent of each other, and independent of the subject. If the depth of coverage in any given source is not substantial, then multiple independent sources may be combined to demonstrate notability; trivial coverage of a subject by secondary sources may not be sufficient to establish notability."

These five sources are indeed "reliable, intellectually independent of each other, and independent of the subject." I argue that the coverage of Keegan in these sources is more than "trivial," and thus this entry meets the criteria that "multiple independent sources may be combined to demonstrate notability."

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35 total citations, it doesn't matter that it's humanities, that is very low academic impact for any subject. Polyamorph (talk) 12:00, 8 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Chronophoto (talk · contribs) are you in any way associated with Keegan (professionally or personally)? Polyamorph (talk) 12:01, 8 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]
* As I wrote on the article's Talk page, I have briefly worked with Keegan as a co-editor. However, I am otherwise entirely independent of Keegan and have tried to adhere to Wikipedia's "neutral point of view" policy. Chronophoto (talk) 12:39, 8 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]
* I think Polyamorph's stance on this article and my stance on this article are very clear. I have made my arguments as best as I can. I will now step back and accept whatever decision the Wikipedia editorial community makes on this page. I do ask that if the editorial community decides to delete the page, that I be allowed to "incubate" the page for a few months until Keegan's book on the Wachowskis comes out, at which time there will likely be a deluge of press on him and the book and the page could be revised to take this press into account and republished. Chronophoto (talk) 12:39, 8 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]
I don't doubt your integrity, but you do have a conflict of interest and should have passed this article through Wikipedia:Articles for creation. Wikipedia is not a crystal ball, the fact that there may be a deluge of press on him in the future does not make up for the lack of significant coverage now. Polyamorph (talk) 12:54, 8 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]
When you say you've volunteered do you mean you are volunteering now or you have volunteered in some off-wiki conversation with Chronophoto. Because there have been two wiki ed editors and three single use accounts contribute to this discussion (either here or on the article talk page). In any case, I don't support incubating as if deleted then the community will have deemed it non-notable.Polyamorph (talk) 18:41, 15 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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  1. ^ Shuttleworth, Kate (May 23, 2018). "Impact metrics: Scholarly publishing". Simon Frasier University Library. ((cite web)): Cite has empty unknown parameter: |dead-url= (help)

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Interesting Pereira.David (talk · contribs) this input on the discussion is your sole contribution to wikipedia (WP:STEALTH?). But in any case, from the start your argument is incorrect, Keegan is an "Assistant Professor". Please explain, using reference to wikipedia policy, how Keegan meets our notability requirements detailed in WP:NACADEMIC. Polyamorph (talk) 18:35, 8 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]
* Well, this is odd. I've never contributed to wikipedia because I've never experienced such situation, one of my references needing help to keep a simple page online. And to be acurated I've actually tried to help wikipedia by appointing grammar mistakes on the page in portuguease when I was with my old login that I cant access anymore , but the autors never paied atention. I have no ideia why professor Keegan (just because he's an assistant professor doesn't mean he's not a professor) is been under such pressure. Maybe you don't like trans people. I first read about Mr. Keegan through an academic assay. He's a very competent scholar. His essay "Tongues Without Bodies" is the first academic production in use as reference in Brazil about the Wachowski sisters's T.V. production and his last book is chosen to be analised by the gender and sexuality group of studies. My doctor chamber at University of Sao Paulo (UNESP) is really concerned about the trans ban over the world. We were argumenting about the fact that wikipedia doesn't allow to correct the name from The Wachowski Brothers to The Wachowski Sisters and what it means to gender representation. Well, I've done my best to try to make things right. I know I won't stop reading his production just because he doesn't have a wikipedia page. Pereira.David (talk) 13:40, 12 June 2018 (UTC-3) — Preceding unsigned comment added by 179.187.102.24 (talk)
WP:RIGHTGREATWRONGS. Polyamorph (talk) 07:35, 13 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Another single use account. Although I am convinced the nominator has not been canvassing, there has perhaps been some off-wiki conversation.Polyamorph (talk) 16:34, 13 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Yes, first post - first time I've seen someone trying to delete an informative article. I've never met Cáel Keegan, I'm just pointing out that there are different ways of assessing academic impact other than google scholar. Use in teaching on a different country maybe worth consideration. Botanicalbee (talk) 17:33, 13 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]
It would interest us to know how you heard about the discussion. Also note that new users are welcome to join a deletion discussion but, quoting directly from WP:AFDEQ "the opinions of logged in users whose accounts predate the article's AfD nomination may be given more weight when determining consensus." There are now at least 3 single use accounts who have contributed to this discussion, 2 on this page and one on the article talk page. This is unusual and points, perhaps, to some off-wiki discussion. Polyamorph (talk) 20:36, 13 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]
The material presented shows at most that he might someday be notable. It's not likely to be within the next 6 months, even if his first book is successful, so there's no reason to move this to draft. The usual level in practice at WP when an academic becomes notable is full professor, and there's a long way to go here. (I have sometimes said it should be associate professor, but it's rarely been accepted).
I don't think the various apparently canvassed comments here are canvassing by the subject--from their impression that a person gets an article in WP because in their opinion he ought to be notable, it seems like students. DGG ( talk ) 00:47, 14 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Comment. the Notability rules state 'professors of various ranks' [1] so I'm not sure the above comment about 'full professor' is legitimate. the cited references on the articles page are not only local news media outlets but national media outlets and therefore qualify under criteria 7 of notability for academics rules[2]. Continuing my earlier comment about the the relevance of publications and relevance in teaching in measuring scholarly impact (criteria 1 of the notability rules), I did an online search and found 4 courses using Keegan's work in their reading lists. I can't seem to upload pdfs from this platform but two at USC (USA), one at Uppsala university (Sweden) and one at Carleton University (Canada). an earlier comment stated Keegan's work was being used in Brasil. that is a wide spread for relatively recent work in an emerging field suggesting that Keegan is already a notable voice in the area.Botanicalbee (talk) 10:10, 14 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]

As a plain fact in 11 years here we have almost never kept an article on an assistant ptofessor at AfD. This is reasonable, because intil someone gets tenure, it is entirely unclear whether or not they are a major authority in their subject. The very few times we have done that is when someone happens to have received really extensive press coverage in an international basis. As for their works being used, the explanation of that point reads "... if the person has authored several books that are widely used as textbooks (or as a basis for a course) at multiple institutions of higher education." That's a good deal more than just a paper or two that are used as course reading. DGG ( talk ) 17:38, 14 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. 78.26 (spin me / revolutions) 17:24, 14 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Georgina González Rodríguez[edit]

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Not notable. Apparently this person created an article about herself. Hddty. (talk) 14:15, 7 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was speedy keep. There is obviously no chance further discussion will result in any other outcome and will only be a time sink. (non-admin closure) Jbh Talk 01:43, 8 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Gish gallop[edit]

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Fails to satisfy WP:NOTE and WP:NOT. Wikipedia is not a dictionary, and this is an inflammatory term used by anti-theists and anti-creationists exclusively. It is a character assassination attempt on Dr. Duane Gish. Kanbei85 (talk) 12:37, 7 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]

A pleasingly alliterative term, in fairly wide use as can easily be checked by clicking on the links above, named after a notable exponent of the technique. A useful little article, which we should keep. Hunc (talk) 15:45, 7 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Once again, WP:NOT. Wikipedia is not a dictionary of all terms in use, even if this were common, which is debatable. It is intrinsically a biased term, which makes it a violation of WP:NPOV, especially if it is not properly qualified in the text. It is not an uncontested fact to say that Duane Gish engaged in that behavior! Are you unable to tell subjective from objective?--Kanbei85 (talk) 15:49, 7 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]
The argument is not that neutrality means avoiding controversial topics. Where was that ever said here? This is an inherently-biased term used primarily by a particular group at the expense of another group they wish to disparage. It is also disparaging of Dr. Duane Gish, which should of course go without saying. There are other terms such as
Elephant Hurling which represent the same concept, but which are not represented on Wikipedia.--Kanbei85 (talk) 17:34, 7 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]
"It is intrinsically a biased term, which makes it a violation of WP:NPOV". That's not what NPOV means. XOR'easter (talk) 17:38, 7 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Fine, I'll grant that the name itself does not automatically make it a violation of NPOV. However, I still think it fails WP:N, as it is a term largely known only to a certain special interest group of people, namely, anti-theists and anti-creationists, and is used as a mocking, derisive term against those they oppose. Similar terms exist like Elephant Hurling, which are not included on Wikipedia; so why should this be, either? --Kanbei85 (talk) 17:43, 7 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]
If you are going to argue WP:OTHERSTUFFEXISTS, consider our article on the Chewbacca defense. --Guy Macon (talk) 17:51, 7 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]
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Being a topic of "special interest" is not a reason for exclusion from an encyclopedia. Nor does the fact that X is not mentioned mean that Y should be ignored. Nor is the claim that a phrase is "mocking" or "derisive". XOR'easter (talk) 17:49, 7 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Exactly so. Telephone hybrid is "a term largely known only to a certain special interest group of people", namely telephone engineers, but I doubt that Kanbei85 would want to propose it for deletion on those grounds. SpinningSpark 17:57, 7 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]
As for notability, see these sources (search for "Gish Gallop" on each page):[10][11][12][13][14][15][16][17][18][19][20][21][22] --Guy Macon (talk) 17:48, 7 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]
One more [23] (which, like several of those posted just above, indicates the spread of the term outside the debunking of creationism). XOR'easter (talk) 17:53, 7 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was no consensus. Black Kite (talk) 10:53, 17 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Gopika Poornima[edit]

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Sources are all track listings, profile pages, interviews, and fluff pieces. No comprehensive or serious journalistic coverage. Waggie (talk) 16:27, 23 May 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Hi Waggie!. Gopika Poornima is a notable singer in Telugu film industry. This link is a serious news website with respectable standards at least in Andhra Pradesh, the state to which the singer belongs to. There are other news articles where her name is referred though they do not cover her biographical details. They are mostly taken from the interviews. this link belongs to one of the top 3 Telugu news paper Andhra Jyothy which proves her notability. Let me know what else can I do to save this article from being deleted.Ravichandra (talk) 16:44, 23 May 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Hello రవిచంద్ర (Ravichandra), unfortunately interviews aren't sufficient to establish notability. We need comprehensive coverage that is independent of the subject. Can you provide links to news articles that discuss them that aren't interviews, and are serious journalism? I just don't see any here. The only thing close is the article regarding the Veturi Memorial award. Non-English sources are acceptable, provided they follow the guidelines set out in WP:RS. Thank you for your time and efforts. Waggie (talk) 16:50, 23 May 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Waggie Thank you for the suggestions. I got one more reference from another good resource The Hindu where she got best singer award. this link. One more here. I will take some time and I am sure I can gather more resources. Please don't delete this article.Ravichandra (talk) 16:55, 23 May 2018 (UTC)[reply]
I see the sources you added. Unfortunately, these sources do not offer comprehensive coverage, they only mention Gopika in passing. Content from articles should be summarized from what reliable sources have to say. If the source only lists her name alongside many others and doesn't discuss her at all, then it's not a useful source for establishing notability. Waggie (talk) 17:07, 23 May 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Waggie, You mean to say there should be at least one full article dedicated to her in a reliable source? how about this? Ravichandra (talk) 17:19, 23 May 2018 (UTC)[reply]
That's an interview. And we require multiple articles that discuss the subject comprehensively and independently of the subject, otherwise there isn't independent content to summarize for an article. Waggie (talk) 17:52, 23 May 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Added one more article as a source from Andhra Jyothy. This article is not an interview and independently written by a journalist. Waggie can this be considered for notability? Ravichandra (talk) 12:59, 24 May 2018 (UTC)[reply]
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Egaoblai Thank you for your comment. I don't have much experience in identifying/differentiating sources which can prove the notability of the subject. I was thinking that if a reliable news paper (In India) like The Hindu or Andhra Jyothy publishes an article, irrespective of type of the article, it can support the notability. However I have already given one Independent article from Andhra Jyothy as a source and a few interviews from the The Hindu and other references for factual correctness. These are not advertorial in nature. I don't know if these are sufficient for removing the proposed deletion tag. Ravichandra (talk) 05:45, 25 May 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Yes this seems like an easy vote to Keep from me. TheHindu.com featured article is a strong indication of notability here, and there are plenty of other source to verify and pass wp:n too.Egaoblai (talk) 07:24, 25 May 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Interviews are primary sources, they are the subject talking about themselves. We need secondary sources to provide content to summarize, and consequently need secondary sources to establish notability (ie: whether there is content to summarize for there to be content for an article). Waggie (talk) 02:41, 26 May 2018 (UTC)[reply]
On the subject of notability, if an independent publication chooses to publish an interview with an individual then it can be seen that this publication has found the subject notable, which is of course the basis of notability here. Egaoblai (talk) 13:03, 26 May 2018 (UTC)[reply]
I understand what you're saying, but we need articles to be summarized from reliable, secondary sources. How can we do that if all the sources are primary (them talking about themselves), or simply track listings? It would require original research, which isn't what Wikipedia is about. Waggie (talk) 16:10, 26 May 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Waggie, This article is secondary. Though the content is written before I added this source, but all the important facts written in this article have a reference to this article. There is only one source (allmusic.com) which contains track listings. If it is not going to help this article in any way, I can remove it. Remaining all sources are supporting the article in some way. Can you remove the deletion tag now? Ravichandra (talk) 17:26, 26 May 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Hi రవిచంద్ర! That's a good start! Do you have any more such secondary sources? We can't base a Wikipedia article on only one such source, it would not represent a balanced viewpoint. Best wishes, Waggie (talk) 17:59, 26 May 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Waggie, I will try to find other secondary sources. But my question is, If the article is based on a single source supported by other primary sources, is it deserved to be deleted? As far as I know ((One source)) is a better tag for this article.Ravichandra (talk) 18:04, 26 May 2018 (UTC)[reply]
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User:Dane, This article is secondary source as the other languages are also acceptable. I already pointed out and is submitted for notability There is one secondary and multiple primary sources. She has received some awards for which there are references from the leading news papers like The Hindu, Times of India, and other language news papers to which the subject belings to. Ravichandra (talk) 14:42, 3 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]
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Hello Atlantic306 and Dial911, I would encourage you to read that section more carefully, especially the second-to-last paragraph. Interviews where the subject are basically given carte blanche are mentioned specifically as something that WP:NOTPROMOTION discounts. Also, "An example would be a fan magazine interview with a celebrity about their new movie or new child. They're not likely to question them sharply on whether the movie is any good or whether motherhood is really a joyful experience." Then please take another look at the interviews. I do not believe the interviews constitute solid journalistic coverage to meet the threshold of WP:GNG, WP:NACTOR, or WP:NMUSICBIO. Aside from the interviews, we have AllMusic, simple filmographies, and passing mentions. What secondary coverage are you referring to, Dial911? Can you provide some links? I found nothing of better quality than what's already in the article (most was far worse). What notable awards has she received? If I've missed something, I'm happy to concede. Waggie (talk) 18:25, 15 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]
National newspapers are not fan magazines, and the Hindu piece is a secondary coverage, thanks Atlantic306 (talk) 18:29, 15 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]
I wasn't suggesting they were, I was pointing out the principle of basically letting the interviewee promote themselves, which is what that section of WP:INTERVIEW was talking about. Waggie (talk) 18:34, 15 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]
ABN Andhra Jyothi, a notable Telugu TV news channel also covered her significantly. News TV channels don't generally cover a man on the street. You can find videos of the telecast uploaded by the official verified account of ABN on youtube. These video references meet WP:YOUTUBE and WP:VIDEOREF. Also, just because these regional language news sources are not 'famous' in the world, doesn't mean that they are not notable. Hope you get the point. After finding news TV coverage on the person, it has become Strong Keep for me. Dial911 (talk) 18:48, 15 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]
The notable award she received is Nandi Awards for Television the reference for which is already mentioned. This is the from The Hindu. This article can be cited for the notability of the awards. She was nominated for Filmfare award for the best singer multiple times. You can check here entries here.Ravichandra (talk) 02:20, 16 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was delete. Yunshui  11:49, 14 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Aleksander S. Lundekvam[edit]

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Non-notable, Google search yields one result only. lovkal (talk) 11:37, 7 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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Gallery of Contemporary Sculpture and Plastic Arts[edit]

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The article, which was created by an editor named SGallery, is basically advertising for the gallery. It is unreferenced except for a link to the gallery. Although the gallery has a museum component, it also has multiple sales pages. I wasn't able to find independent sources for the article, although there may be some in Russian. Leschnei (talk) 13:16, 31 May 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. Yunshui  11:49, 14 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Burning the Masses[edit]

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non notable band. only one source on the whole page, and also it’s a A7 Redundant article because they already have a place on metal archives which is more comprehensively put together. Googling their band name also doesn't turn up any significant media coverage. Second Skin (talk) 11:29, 31 May 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Comment - In this and another recent nomination, it appears that User:Second Skin is citing guideline #A7 incorrectly. That guideline does not contain the term "redundant" but does mention that certain types of articles can be "speedy deleted" if they make no claim of notability. Also, already having an article at a different website is irrelevant. The most relevant guideline to discuss in this type of nomination is WP:NBAND and associated guidelines. ---DOOMSDAYER520 (Talk|Contribs) 18:39, 1 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]
I wasn't aware that it was a criteria solely for "speedy deletions", but as a guideline for anything regarding non-notable music articles. Forgive me Second Skin (talk) 05:14, 2 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]
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Webzines aren't noteworthy sources. Allmusic is notable, but that's a single review and not even a source from a noteworthy publication like Deceible or MetalSucks like most of the more noteworthy bands like this garner. Second Skin (talk) 05:17, 2 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]
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Delete. Lack of significant, independent reliable sources. The label they are affiliated with does not seem significant despite having a wiki page. In fact, it may be a good candidate for AfD. Note the discussion above re: AllMusic as reliable source. This particular review is user submitted, a feature on the site that allows members to log in and leave a review. (exact verbiage from ([27]]) when you click the "+" icon reads: "Sign up or Log In to your AllMusic Account to write a review." ) Perhaps a different discussion needs to be had elsewhere regarding AllMusic's unfortunate, regressive slide into more and more non-notable, user submitted content. But, at the very least, absent a valid AllMusic entry, there is nothing I could find that establishes this subject meeting wikipedia notability. As mentioned above, webzines and blogs--no matter how reliable some information may be therein--can not be used to established notability because of lack of verifiable editorial oversight. ShelbyMarion (talk) 14:31, 13 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. Yunshui  11:48, 14 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Berthold Technologies[edit]

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Promotional, unsourced article about a non-notable company. Fails WP:CORPDEPTH. Suspected undisclosed native advertising created by a SPA. MER-C 11:29, 7 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. Yunshui  11:47, 14 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Jamcracker[edit]

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Notability not established. There have been multiple attempts to find suitable sources that establish notability and a talk page discussion specifically on the subject of meeting the notability criteria. The contributor has removed the notability tag multiple times (or perhaps that is some single-minded IP editor who is not the contributor). It's my conclusion that this company does not meet WP:NCORP and I'm looking for community consensus. — jmcgnh(talk) (contribs) 05:54, 31 May 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. Sandstein 09:30, 14 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Sir Walter Buffalo Turf[edit]

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Lack of independent secondary sources coverage. This is an advertisement for a product that does not meet notability guidelines. TYelliot | Talk | Contribs 09:07, 7 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete per nominator JarrahTree 13:03, 7 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was speedy delete under criteria A7 and G11. Seraphimblade Talk to me 18:08, 7 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Tezpurbuzz[edit]

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This should be a speedy delete A7/G11, but the speedy tag got removed by a third party. Clearly fails WP:NCORP, definitely pure promo John from Idegon (talk) 07:34, 7 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was no consensus. Sandstein 13:57, 16 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]

FreeFileSync[edit]

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A product of no demonstrable significance. Sources lack intellectual independence, they are affiliated or based on press releases, with the exception of one product review which is not primarily about the product but is a side by side comparison of multiple products. Guy (Help!) 06:56, 23 May 2018 (UTC)[reply]

What I did not find was anything that satisfies the requirements of WP:GNG. --Guy Macon (talk) 11:35, 23 May 2018 (UTC)[reply]
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Also, maybe not an indicator of notability, but at least, popularity: on AlternativeTo, FreeFileSync has (a lot) more "likes" (for what it's worth) than all of the alternatives, including rsync, Beyond Compare, IPFS, GoodSync, SyncBack, SparkleShare, SyncToy, Allway Sync and many others. (Note that all of the alternatives I've just mentioned have their own Wikipedia article).
(BTW, I'm new here, I hope I understood the purpose of this page correctly). StayAwhileAndListen (talk) 17:37, 23 May 2018 (UTC) — StayAwhileAndListen (talk • contribs) has made few or no other edits outside this topic. [reply]
Welcome to Wikipedia! regarding the above, you might want to read Wikipedia:Notability (software). --Guy Macon (talk) 18:05, 24 May 2018 (UTC)[reply]
  • "An app that is distributed commercially or supported by businesses is a commercial product. Sources used for such apps should satisfy the breadth and depth of coverage required for a standalone commercial product article." --WP:NSOFTWARE
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  • I guess it comes down to whether the coverage in PCWorld, CNET and Framasoft is enough to establish notability, since the other sources seem to be blogs or otherwise insignificant. Three sources are technically multiple sources. WP:NSOFTWARE also states: "A computer program can usually be presumed to be notable if it meets any one of these criteria: [...] It is the subject of multiple printed third-party manuals, instruction books, or reliable reviews, written by independent authors and published by independent publishers." WP:CORP simply states: "A company, corporation, organization, group, product, or service is notable if it has been the subject of significant coverage in multiple reliable secondary sources that are independent of the subject." Wouldn't you say that criterion is met in this case? I may very well be wrong here, I don't have a feeling of the precedent. By the way, I'm not entirely sure FreeFileSync classifies as a commercial product (do the donation edition and ads equal commercial?). If it isn't regarded as commercial, "it is reasonable to allow relatively informal sources for free and open-source software, if significance can be shown." --WP:NSOFTWARE. Also, now that I have the opportunity: Your research into the program's OpenCandy component is very fine work!--Stempelquist (talk) 17:07, 30 May 2018 (UTC)[reply]
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  • It's a judgement call, and I understand those who disagree, but even after reviewing everything above, it it still my considered opinion that it isn't quite notable enough. It is close, but not quite close enough. I am fine with whatever the consensus turns out to be. --Guy Macon (talk) 12:44, 12 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]
  • I would like someone who speaks the language to confirm this, but the above reference looks like one of the many places where the creator of FreeFileSync has tooted his own horn. --Guy Macon (talk) 14:56, 14 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was delete. Sandstein 13:56, 16 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Kiff No Beat[edit]

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No references to show notability, promotional language. Delete, or draftify if there is a chance to salvage. Dirk Beetstra T C 05:08, 7 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. Sandstein 09:23, 14 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]

President (song)[edit]

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Does not appear to satisfy the notability criteria. FamblyCat94 (talk) 03:07, 7 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was redirect to United States House of Representatives elections in California, 2018#District 22. Sandstein 09:21, 14 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Andrew Janz[edit]

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Per WP:POLOUTCOMES, he fails WP:NPOL. Yes, there is coverage of his campaign--but the only coverage of him is coverage of his campaign. We typically redirect such articles to the relevant election page and recreate them only if the candidate wins the general election. Marquardtika (talk) 02:34, 7 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was no consensus. Disagreement about whether to redirect or to keep. Both sides have valid arguments. Sandstein 09:15, 14 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Mikie Sherrill[edit]

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Per WP:POLOUTCOMES, she fails WP:NPOL. Yes, there is coverage of her campaign--but the only coverage of her is coverage of her campaign. We typically redirect such articles to the relevant election page and recreate them only if the candidate wins. Marquardtika (talk) 02:31, 7 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was keep. Yunshui  11:45, 14 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Reese Havens[edit]

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fails WP:NBASEBALL and WP:GNG Joeykai (talk) 06:58, 30 May 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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Most draft picks do not get such coverage, and even first round picks typically do not get profiled in the NY Times, not even Met or Yankee picks. Even if they did, GNG does not make an exception for coverage that is typical of first round draft picks. 16:40, 3 June 2018 (UTC)
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The result was delete. Sandstein 08:54, 14 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Sing Bhujia[edit]

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Fails notability. Sources available on the net are either products or recipes. MT TrainTalk 12:26, 16 May 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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  1. ^ Journal of the Indian Potato Association. 28 (1). July 2001 http://krishikosh.egranth.ac.in/bitstream/1/2054433/1/CPRI273L.pdf#page=177. Retrieved 6 June 2018. ((cite journal)): Missing or empty |title= (help)
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The result was no consensus. Sandstein 08:53, 14 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Witchcraft VI: The Devil's Mistress[edit]

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Straight to DVD film from Troma pictures. No indication of notability, not enough in-depth sourcing from reliable, independent sources to show it passes WP:GNG, and definitely doesn't pass WP:NFILM. Onel5969 TT me 14:33, 23 May 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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Fair point, but the AV Guide article and reasonably long TV Guide review are sig cov for WP:GNG if not NFILM. Atlantic306 (talk) 19:23, 2 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was delete. In view of the socking and POVFORK concerns outlined in the discussion, and the unrebutted assertion that the history of this article is already in the history of Ottoman-Portuguese confrontations, which allows editors to build on it if deemed necessary. Sandstein 08:53, 14 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Ottoman-Portuguese War[edit]

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There is currently a non-formal discussion regarding this at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Military history#The_Ottoman-Portuguese_Conflict_deletion. I haven't read through the whole article yet, but a quick glance shows that it's a WP:POVFORK of Ottoman-Portuguese confrontations (formerly Ottoman-Portuguese conflicts). My main concern is that there are so many quotations in it that I had originally considered it for WP:G12, but it may have some material that could be saved and incorporated into the already existing article. The article (formerly "The Portuguese-Ottoman War") also very clearly essay-like and non-neutral in its tone. It was a good faith initiative by its creator, but there are so many issues here that we're way past the point of preservation, and improving it would most likely involve cutting its size down by over 80%. And finally, the inclusion of "Ottoman" in the title may be misleading, since the majority of confrontations in the Indian Ocean involved other Muslim states like the Mamluk Sultanate, for which we already have Portuguese-Mamluk naval war, as well as the Gujaratis among others. Fitzcarmalan (talk) 16:28, 23 May 2018 (UTC)[reply]

  • Firstly, it would be better if people read the Ottoman-Portuguese War carefully before suggesting its deletion since it provides objective and valid sources about the matter. It's not reasonable to label this article as WP:POVFORK since the other article (Ottoman-Portuguese Conflicts) is not clear about its objective and aim, putting inside it cunfusing battles and nations from different conflicts. We cannot say what the creator of the article had in mind when he/she wrote it, but no primary source is cited expressing the main point of the article. This can be attested by looking at other periods of battles between other nations that this article mentions like the articles Turkish Crusade and the Ottoman-Venetian War which are totally inaccurate and odd (at minimum) when it comes to the Portuguese participation against the ottomans since no Portuguese primary sources (or even Ottomans', I'm sure) attest a state of war between both nations prior to the 16th century. On the other hand, the article Ottoman-Portuguese War provides at least three different Portuguese primary sources about this state of war, and this article is all concerned about the 16th century in which the war was really declared according to these Portuguese sources. Well, why should an article cite the Turkish Crusade and Ottoman-Venetian War in the Ottoman-Portuguese Conflicts? Certainly, this has nothing to do with the Ottoman-Portuguese War. Because of these confusions and lack of clarity we can understand why the Ottoman-Portuguese War article was correctly created. That's why it was suggested the deletion of the Ottoman-Portuguese Conflicts, because it's totally vague and does not express an objective perspective on the matter.
Now, the claim that the Ottoman-Portuguese War has a "non-neutral" tone is not right to say either. Perhaps, this 'feeling' is due to the fact that the majority of sources agree that the Portuguese were militarily superior to the Ottomans in the 16th century, mainly because of its superior sea power. By the way, how could we explain that the Portuguese succeeded against the Ottomans (and their allies, of course) to secure the Indian Ocean and control the monopoly of spice trade in the region if we don't explain their ability and capacity to do that? This impression of a 'non-neutrality' concerning the article should and must go away by simply reading the huge ammount of sources cited (western and eastern, by the way), which some people unfortunatly don't bother to read. Reading the article carefully we can see that the crontributors of the page always cite a valid source to confirm every point presented, letting the sources speak for themselves. This is neutrality. There are no contradictions in this article. It's also wrong to say this article is "essay-like" because it is not based on "personal opinions", but it's based on dozens of respected and valid sources about the matter. Again, the sources cited can clarify that misunderstanding.
Again, the Portuguese primary sources are very clear in the state of war against the Ottomans, which are totally supported by the modern sources cited in the Ottoman-Portuguese War article, and as also cited there, the Ottomans fought allied with many muslim powers in the 16th century. The Portuguese-Mamluk naval War were one of the many wars the Portuguese fought in the Indian Ocean, but according to the sources, the Ottomans were the only power present in virtually every battle against the Portuguese during the whole of the 16th century, not the Mamluks, the Somali, the Mughals and other small players.
Once more, I would kindly ask everyone to read carefully and study both articles and check the sources cited, because the difference between both articles are very clear. Sadly, some people are just concerned about the guidelines of Wikipedia instead of read the articles and analyse them critically according to the facts presented. Sir Thiago (talk) 18:08, 23 May 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Sir Thiago is the creator of the contested article and so far practically the only contributor to it. -The Gnome (talk) 10:17, 24 May 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Sir Thiago has been banned for being a sockmaster. -The Gnome (talk) 15:41, 24 May 2018 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep. It would be better if we provide evidences for our claims, because it seems this discussion is heading towards personal opinions only. The article Ottoman-Portuguese War has nothing to do with the battles alone, in which only names and references are cited for the sake of examples; no discussion is taken on that assumption, because it deals with the background, military and economic aspects of the war. It's the only article that cites primary sources and the aftermath of the entire strife. So, what's the reason of separating the war into two, like Ottoman-Portuguese conflicts (1538-1559) and Ottoman-Portuguese conflicts (1580-1589)? On what evidences are those articles based? Should we write now a third, forth an so on? Should we write an article about the "Ottoman-Portuguee conflicts (1506-1509, (1510-1512)? There are no sources supporting it, again, those articles are considered stubs here. Also, according to primary sources at Torre do Tombo National Archive there was a declaration of war on the first years of the 16th century, just check the section "Declaration of War" on the Ottoman-Portuguese War article for more information.
As for the point that "most of the sources are also nothing more than a title" could you tell me which ones are these? Almost 100% of the sources cited on the article can be checked on Google Books, but not all of them because they are simply not available there. However, the complete reference is provided for further research, according to WP instructions. So, this point cannot be taken against the article whatsoever. Sir Thiago (talk) 20:55, 23 May 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Note: This discussion has been included in the list of History-related deletion discussions. The Mighty Glen (talk) 20:48, 23 May 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Military-related deletion discussions. The Mighty Glen (talk) 20:48, 23 May 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Portugal-related deletion discussions. The Mighty Glen (talk) 20:48, 23 May 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Turkey-related deletion discussions. The Mighty Glen (talk) 20:48, 23 May 2018 (UTC)[reply]
To the point: All the issues raised about text quality are and should be worked on, i.e. modern terminology should be amended where inappropriate (however, note that every serious historical analysis is made from a modern point of view); whatever lack of neutrality exists can and should be washed off; and essay-like verbiage can be corrected. -The Gnome (talk) 10:17, 24 May 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Why are you overlooking the CFORK concerns and the possible copyright infringement? Are those "IDONTLIKEIT" arguments? I actually did propose that we incorporate the non-problematic material into Ottoman-Portuguese confrontations, and I invite Sir Thiago to take the lead in the process of saving this material. Fitzcarmalan (talk) 14:24, 24 May 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks for the remarks. I find your concerns about WP:POVSPLIT valid but I do not see much of an issue: This is an article that can stand on its own, although the similarity with other subjects might lead eventually to merging. I see no reason to delete altogether, though, but as is my nature I remain open to argument. The copyright concern is evidently more serious. File under "issues that can be solved" through extensive paraphrasing and deletions. -The Gnome (talk) 14:31, 24 May 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Certainly, there is no reason to delete this article. Now, what copyright issue is the article facing? Sir Thiago (talk) 14:40, 24 May 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Let's just start for now with the fact that the article overly relies on quotations. Fitzcarmalan (talk) 14:55, 24 May 2018 (UTC)[reply]
It should be very easy to deal with, what more? Sir Thiago (talk) 15:03, 24 May 2018 (UTC)[reply]
@Diannaa: Would you be willing to investigate this? Fitzcarmalan (talk) 15:12, 24 May 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Over-use of quotations and copyright violations are not the same things. One is a violation of our non-free content policy, and the other is a violation of our copyright policy. Articles with excessive quotations are not copyvio and do not qualify for G12 deletion. — Diannaa 🍁 (talk) 22:35, 24 May 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Striking comments by LordPedro, confirmed sockpuppet of Sir Thiago. -The Gnome (talk) 15:41, 24 May 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Striking comments by IPCL, confirmed sockpuppet of Sir Thiago. -The Gnome (talk) 15:41, 24 May 2018 (UTC)[reply]
WP:G5 states that articles can be deleted if they have been created by banned or blocked users in violation of their ban or block, and that have no substantial edits by others. The rule further clarifies that the article must have been made while the user was actually banned or blocked. A page created before the ban or block was imposed or after it was lifted will not qualify under this criterion. The creator was only banned yesterday. -The Gnome (talk) 16:06, 25 May 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Sandstein 18:01, 30 May 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, MBisanz talk 01:59, 7 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]
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