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Die Zeit, die Tag und Jahre macht

Happy 2019 -

begin it with music and memories

--Gerda Arendt (talk) 21:55, 1 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]

March

... with thanks from QAI

Thank you for your help with images, namely Lydia Steier! --Gerda Arendt (talk) 08:17, 28 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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Meh; replaced by a different fair-use image. --GRuban (talk) 18:35, 23 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Greetings, GRuban! You kindly assisted with an edit request of mine at Talk:Michael J. Saylor regarding the Saylor Academy. I also have a request at Talk:List_of_philanthropists#New_addition. I will not be making edits to the article as a result of my conflict of interest. Would you be so kind as to review this request? Thanks in advance for your help!

Regards,

Andrewggordon84 (talk) 23:32, 11 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]

I'm pretty sure March will be better. Few things - question 1st...do libraries (Boston Library, for one) allow people to take pictures inside the library? Now for a heads up...there are a few articles sitting in the wings that are pretty close to being ready for GAR. If you're not too busy (here or in RL) when the time comes, I hope you won't mind if I come back to recruit your input. ^{Atsme✍🏻📧} 05:17, 26 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Hello! Your submission of Elly Mayday at the Did You Know nominations page has been reviewed, and some issues with it may need to be clarified. Please review the comment(s) underneath your nomination's entry and respond there as soon as possible. Thank you for contributing to Did You Know! Yoninah (talk) 01:59, 19 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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Please see new note on your DYK nomination. Yoninah (talk) 21:14, 1 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]

On 28 March 2019, Did you know was updated with a fact from the article Elly Mayday, which you recently created, substantially expanded, or brought to good article status. The nomination discussion and review may be seen at Template:Did you know nominations/Elly Mayday. You are welcome to check how many page hits the article got while on the front page (here's how, ), and it may be added to the statistics page if the total is over 5,000. Finally, if you know of an interesting fact from another recently created article, then please feel free to suggest it on the Did you know talk page.

Materialscientist (talk) 01:50, 28 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you for her! - Just found the next one who died, - it's getting overwhelming. I wrote his article, back then, 2010 I believe. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 17:37, 28 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]

@Gerda Arendt, Lee Vilenski, Yoninah, and Materialscientist: 34,666 page views! That qualifies for Wikipedia:Did you know/Statistics#All-time DYK page view leaders! (Yes, I may be a bit overly excited; no big deal to you DYK regulars, no doubt, but this is only my 9th.) --GRuban (talk) 13:03, 29 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Congrats!! Never had that! Good hook, good image, sad story. - I just "finished" the next who died, will nominate, had not even an article, shaking head in disbelief. Can you find an image, perhaps? Hans Günter Nöcker --Gerda Arendt (talk) 13:16, 29 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]

ps: when adding her to the stats do it both in March and in the all-time. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 13:17, 29 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks, I hope I did it right. --GRuban (talk) 13:28, 29 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]

My highest is 10k, so this blows me out of the water. Great job. Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 13:28, 29 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Congratulations! Yes, you did the statistics page correctly; just note that the date it ran is visible in the page stats, not in the DYK archive. The date given in the DYK archive is the midnight after it ran. A minor quirk in the system. Keep up the great work! Yoninah (talk) 14:49, 29 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you for your edit on Ewa Kurek. The current version, the one just restored is mostly defamatory, written in bad faith and for that reason not only heavily biased but simply incorrect. Ewa Kurek is the most most famous (mostly in Poland) Polish-Jewish historian and currently a target of Jewish political activists, especially ADF that openly act on Wikipedia. That's why my previous changes where brought to admin's attention. I am new to Wikipedia. Will check the format of the summary and resubmit my changes. Thanks for the invite to talk to you and for giving me the reason why you reverted the changes. Learning every day. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Matcheeks (talk • contribs) 13:10, 30 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]

You're welcome. Basically we need to cite reliable sources for everything we write, that's described in Wikipedia:Verifiability. For a controversial figure, there might be sources saying A and others saying B, in which case we generally write both A and B, with citations as to who says what. --GRuban (talk) 13:24, 30 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]

On 8 April 2019, Did you know was updated with a fact from the article Raphaëlle Boitel, which you recently created, substantially expanded, or brought to good article status. The fact was ... that Raphaëlle Boitel worked as a contortionist street performer at age eight to earn tuition for circus school? The nomination discussion and review may be seen at Template:Did you know nominations/Raphaëlle Boitel. You are welcome to check how many page hits the article got while on the front page (here's how, ), and it may be added to the statistics page if the total is over 5,000. Finally, if you know of an interesting fact from another recently created article, then please feel free to suggest it on the Did you know talk page.

 — Amakuru (talk) 00:01, 8 April 2019 (UTC) [reply]

Thank you for another good one, mentioned in the opera DYK archives now. - See my talk for trust to be an admin (pictured), - last day of a friend's RfA. - Next singer: Jennifer Holloway who doesn't want to be in a box mezzo / soprano. If you can hear her, do! --Gerda Arendt (talk) 08:23, 8 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Killing children in west africa is not my idea of a philanthropist, but if you want to support that its on you

https://issuu.com/coldtype/docs/0814.coldtype88.aug2014 — Preceding unsigned comment added by Fpjeepy (talk • contribs) 19:15, 16 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]

^Atsme _Talk 📧 12:18, 24 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]

(talk page stalker) Who's there? Ritchie333 ^{(talk) (cont)} 13:18, 24 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]

IP. IP who? You should really use the toilet. ( ur edit summary) ^Atsme _Talk 📧 14:23, 24 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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I admit, I was sort of surprised that even worked. But it's not misinformation or a hoax or what ever else G3 applies to. It's a (hopefully) humorous filling in of a red link. --GRuban (talk) 14:52, 1 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]

, hillarious!! ^Atsme _Talk 📧 14:58, 1 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Hi, obviously i have no control over what other wikis use and totally know you are trying to be helpful and add from wikidata, but it's just the wrong individual. I'll have a look at removing it from the central location. The subject of the article looks like this, and there is another notable person of the same name, but it's not her either. So no idea who that actually is. You are probably more familiar with wikidata than me, so if you prefer to disassociate the image from the subject rather than waiting for me to do it, please go ahead. Crowsus (talk) 19:00, 14 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Ah, didn't realise how easy it was! Now done. Crowsus (talk) 19:29, 14 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Erm, there's no need to redact my talk-page edits, which is usually only done in emergencies. I'm sure you mean well, but I'm not a racist and it's not a racist edit, so calm down. Suborder simian is the lowest common level of humans and Celebes crested macaques, is all; there's such as thing as being overly sensitive, come on now. Anyway I changed "simian" to "primate" altho that's a higher level and a larger grouping, but whatever, hoping that this is a satisfactory compromise. Herostratus (talk) 23:22, 17 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Satisfactory compromise, accept you didn't mean to be offensive. --GRuban (talk) 02:37, 18 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Hi!, Nice to meet you, yes, I am yet getting involved in technical issues of Wikipedia, can you please delete that page? I've already done it correctly as seen on the DYK nominations page. Thanks! --LLcentury (talk) 20:24, 21 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Please see note on your DYK review. Yoninah (talk) 23:01, 25 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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		This is for your valuable efforts for reviewing articles under pending changes protection. Thank you PATH SLOPU 14:28, 14 June 2019 (UTC)[reply]

I am working on a new article, but am having difficulty pinpointing a location. Every article about her birth says she was born in "Poczujkach w powiecie skwirskim, w ziemi kijowskiej" (Poczujkach in the Skvyra district, of the Kiev region). Clearly now in Ukraine, but at the time (1866) in the Russian Empire. I cannot find anything in Polish that remotely tells me where that village is but the Russian article on that district pointed me here, where I find in Romanov parish, Pochuiky village (Почуйки село), which seems the most likely candidate. (I looked at all the places in each parish and this one seems the only possibility linguistically, but of course, I could be way off base.) If I am correct on that, then this would seem to indicate that Pochuiky village [ru], which used to be in the Romanov/Romanovskaya parish of Skvyra district the of Kiev province of the Russian Empire is now in the Popilnia Raion, Zhytomyr Oblast, of Ukraine. Does this seem like the logical location and what would be the proper spelling/terms to designate these geographic divisions? The conjugation of nouns as you know stumps me, and I am confused by the different translations I get for Волость, уезд, губерния. Thanks! SusunW (talk) 19:23, 16 June 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Ah, you're writing about Józefa Joteyko! I can confirm you found the village correctly, Pochuiky. Our Ukrainian article on it, https://uk.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%9F%D0%BE%D1%87%D1%83%D0%B9%D0%BA%D0%B8#%D0%9F%D0%B5%D1%80%D1%81%D0%BE%D0%BD%D0%B0%D0%BB%D1%96%D1%97, specifically states that Тадеуш Йотейко (her brother, the composer https://pl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tadeusz_Joteyko) was born there. We have English language articles about Волость, уезд, губерния, respectively Volost, Uezd, Gubernia or Governorate. They're different sizes of regions, where a volost < uezd < gubernia. You would probably be better off leaving them as those wikilinked terms. A volost was usually several villages, something like an English parish, while a Governorate was quite large, only 20 or so across the whole Russian Empire, many larger than smaller contemporary European countries.

Miscellaneous things I found in my researching your question that may be useful to you:

• Here is a page in English on her that might help a bit: https://books.google.com/books?id=m1RuBwAAQBAJ&pg=PA108#v=onepage&q&f=false
• There is a primary school in Krakow named after her, https://pl.wikipedia.org/wiki/XI_Gimnazjum_i_Liceum_im._J%C3%B3zefy_Joteyko_w_Krakowie, and Wisława Szymborska seems to have gone there 1930-1935. http://www.szymborska.org.pl/clendar.html

Hope I helped. --GRuban (talk) 14:42, 17 June 2019 (UTC)[reply]

You are awesome GRuban, that helps a lot. And yes, your sleuthing is correct, she is who I am writing about. Thank you for the additional sources. SusunW (talk) 15:05, 17 June 2019 (UTC)[reply]

I finished her and will nominate it for GA as soon as I finish nailing down a couple of photos. In the meantime, I am working on a Bulgarian suffragette. The article was originally written in 2011 and titled as Jeni Bojilova-Pateva. I've written a slew of articles on Russians and other women from parts of the former USSR and think that it should actually be Zheni Bozhilova-Pateva. Both versions occur in English sources. What would your take on the transliteration of Жени Божилова-Патева? And thanks for your help. SusunW (talk) 20:39, 30 June 2019 (UTC)[reply]

@SusunW: Well, I'm not actually fluent in Bulgarian, just Russian. Now the languages are related - I have a fair to middling chance to read simple Bulgarian, and understand the meaning - but don't come to me for correct spelling or grammar or pronunciation. That said, though, we have an article about this! Romanization of Bulgarian. It says that the letter in question is transliterated "ж→ž/zh". Not "j", which is used for й, pronounced as the y in yellow. So, even though my own authority on this is limited, our article seems authoritative. In short, yes, it should be Zheni Bozhilova-Pateva. --GRuban (talk) 20:20, 3 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you. No matter what you may think, you are the expert, as even if you don't know, you know where to look, which is extremely helpful. Now how to figure out how to make a redirect the article and the article title a redirect ;) SusunW (talk) 20:38, 3 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

...such a sweet sentiment. ^Atsme _Talk 📧 05:27, 17 June 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Did you initially intend to write "Oh, you sweet summer child"? --GRuban (talk) 14:46, 17 June 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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Fram has a history of conflict with the WMF officials and their friends. Yes, it looks very much like a case of “some are more equal than others.” Basically, Fram could get away with being snarky until he snarled at the wrong editors. Jehochman ^Talk 20:37, 27 June 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Anybody home? I need some guidance, please, sir. The painting, Hinks Bull Terrier “Clifton” 1901 - Firechief [1]. Is it a private painting or public domain and can we get a copy for the article, Staffordshire Bull Terrier? ^Atsme _Talk 📧 00:14, 15 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

@Atsme: Grr. I wish I could give a better answer, but I'm just going to say that if it is an important picture, I would risk it for a normal article, and face the possibility of losing the argument if the article comes up for FA. Which is not a great answer, I recognize. See, I can't find when the picture was "published", or who drew it. It was almost certainly drawn in in England. List_of_countries'_copyright_lengths#Table_of_copyright_durations_by_country says that in the UK, like in many countries, copyright lasts for 70 years after the author's death, or, if the author is unknown, 70 years after publication. If we can establish either publication date or author death date, I'd say there is an excellent chance that one or both would be met, and most reasonable people would agree. The Wikimedia Commons default for images without either one of these is 120 years: under https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Template:PD-old-assumed, which means that in 2021 we'd be fine anyway. But it's only 2019. So a nitpicking FA reviewer could say we don't have that, but these don't usually venture outside their ivory tower. If it's really important for the article you can always try to use it under fair use, of course. If you do want to risk it, in trying to find either author or publication I did find a larger resolution of the image at https://retrieverman.net/page/198/?chocaid=397 and https://retrieverman.files.wordpress.com/2013/09/1901-firechief.jpg. --GRuban (talk) 14:27, 15 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you, GR - your efforts are much appreciated. I'm still trying to get the timelines straight on the different breeds, and nce that's done, I'll focus on the images. ^Atsme _Talk 📧 02:01, 16 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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	GRuban, thank you for participating in my DS Alert proposal at ARCA. Your input did not go unnoticed. The resulting motion has been carried and enacted. 😊 Atsme Talk 📧 14:23, 16 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Drat it, do I need to put up a notice at the top of my talk page not to be notified about discussions about not being notified? You kids nowadays have no respect... --GRuban (talk) 14:27, 16 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

On 23 July 2019, Did you know was updated with a fact from the article Summer Rayne Oakes, which you recently created, substantially expanded, or brought to good article status. The fact was ... that Summer Rayne Oakes has been called "the world's first eco-model" because she only models clothes made from organic or recycled materials? The nomination discussion and review may be seen at Template:Did you know nominations/Summer Rayne Oakes. You are welcome to check how many page hits the article got while on the front page (here's how, ), and it may be added to the statistics page if the total is over 5,000. Finally, if you know of an interesting fact from another recently created article, then please feel free to suggest it on the Did you know talk page.

— Maile (talk) 00:02, 23 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Are you ready for RfA?? I just went over to your Commons page - you've been busy. ^Atsme _Talk 📧 02:58, 6 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Er - um - reasonably soon now (TM and R). Say a few days to weeks. I need to:

1. finish one article I've been working on for a bit that the subject('s dad) has actually sent me free images for;
   •  Done
2. and I really should do a few more WP:ANRFCs if that is going to be my main demo of "admin-like-stuff";
   •  Done, reasonably
3. and I need to find another friendly arb to talk to now that Newyorkbrad has retired;
   •  Done, kind of.
4. and I don't really want to run when 3 (yes 3) people are applying at the same time;
   • Mostly done: there are 2 applicants, but it looks like one is going to drop out or be wp:snow closed.

but you absolutely do have a point, it has been a while, and K and GW have stopped trying to kill each other, so I will get to it. Honest. Thanks for the ping. --GRuban (talk) 19:11, 7 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]

All right, I think I finished my list, updated User:GRuban/RfA. Let me go back to User talk:GRuban/RfA and ping everyone, maybe get some nominators, and go for today or tomorrow. --GRuban (talk) 16:49, 7 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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On 28 August 2019, Did you know was updated with a fact from the article Alina Morse, which you recently created, substantially expanded, or brought to good article status. The fact was ... that teenage CEO Alina Morse's (pictured) sugar-free candy company had US$6 million in sales when she was thirteen years old? The nomination discussion and review may be seen at Template:Did you know nominations/Alina Morse. You are welcome to check how many page hits the article got while on the front page (here's how, ), and it may be added to the statistics page if the total is over 5,000. Finally, if you know of an interesting fact from another recently created article, then please feel free to suggest it on the Did you know talk page.

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		For your timely addition of the photo to María José Cristerna‎ while the DYK entry was still on the main page. This is one case where a picture was worth more than a thousand words. Nick Number (talk) 18:38, 13 September 2019 (UTC)[reply]

I just created Tuesdee Testa, a female jockey who jumped right into the deep end in a raging current, and pursued her dreams. I never met her in person, but I have read about her and became familiar with her career as a result of mutual FB contacts. Can I lean on you for help again? I need a photo for her infobox - found this website for starters. I've been on and off the puter all day, jiggling between the dog and equine articles, and intend to resume Testa research today. Oh, and before I forget - are you going to WikiConference North America in Boston? ^Atsme _Talk 📧 19:12, 22 September 2019 (UTC)[reply]

So sorry. I don't think any of those images are free to reuse; they're newspaper photos from 1968 or 69, when she got famous, so odds are good there is a copyright notice somewhere on that newspaper, which, according to the Hirtle chart referenced by Template:PD-US means copyright should lapse 95 years after publication, so something like 2063. Unless you can get the newspaper to release them, which is not likely. My general go-to for such cases is US federal government images, which are public domain: if you can find there was a time Testa visited the White House and was photographed or videod, that would be a good target to look for, presidents tend to like photo-ops with famous people like that.[2][3] But I admit I've done a quick search for .gov site images and not had luck; but you can try the individual relevant presidential libraries, they don't all use .gov domains, might get lucky. Or if she ever released fan photos and you can find those for sale on eBay or Amazon, and there isn't a copyright notice on either front or the back of those, that often works for movie stars or their studios who tended to release fan photos like that. (Often sellers photograph the front and back of their photos just for this reason.) But the pics that I found on Amazon and eBay seem to be more copies of the newspaper photos. If you feel brave, or lucky, you could try using this one: https://www.amazon.co.uk/Tuesdee-Jockey-Gallarush-Racetrack-Horses/dp/B077TXFP84 this is a front-and-back photo, no copyright notice either side, so we might try to claim it was published without copyright. However, it's a compilation of 3 photos from UPI, and I could imagine someone who doesn't like you making the argument that as it's not a fan photo that she had made herself and then published, whoever put the 3 together without a copyright notice might not have had the right to do that. Or you could track down her heirs or family or friends (or heirs of family and friends) and see if they have any photos they took themselves (or inherited), since you have actual contacts there, that might be the most likely course. That worked for me with this Modest Stein picture, posted by his grandson on Flickr under copyright, I asked if he would release it, and he agreed.

Probably not going to attend the Boston thing, even though it is local; I've got a family that I spend time with, and while they indulge my hobby occasionally in spare minutes, actually going to a conference that I pay money for might be a bit much. Why, are you planning to attend? --GRuban (talk) 15:51, 23 September 2019 (UTC)[reply]

The conference is the perfect opportunity to get your family involved - there will be museum trips, and all kinds of activities. I'm bringing cameras, and have every intention of making this a fun trip. Last year's Ohio conference was fun, but I didn't get to spend as much time there as I wanted because my daughter & granddaughter were showing horses at the Congress. Get your family involved, GRuban! As for little Ms Tuesdee, I will keep crawling the internet in hopes of finding something. It is such a hassle to try Fair Use. *sigh* Thank you for trying - it is much appreciated! ^Atsme _Talk 📧 16:16, 23 September 2019 (UTC)[reply]

An editor has asked for a discussion to address the redirect Sandra Lerner (Q7549). Since you had some involvement with the Sandra Lerner (Q7549) redirect, you might want to participate in the redirect discussion if you wish to do so. -- Tavix ^(talk) 03:48, 5 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

This one has gone south on you. I'd suggest a prompt withdrawal and trying again in a year or two. Best regards, —tim /// Carrite (talk) 03:54, 7 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

I think a withdrawal would be premature, seeing as the supports still vastly outnumber the opposes. Give it at least a day or two and see how things evolve. If support falls below 60%, then withdrawing starts to make a little more sense. Kurtis ^(talk) 04:45, 7 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

• Sorry to see you getting abused this way. As someone who went through a brutal RfA I have some personal knowledge of how it feels. -Ad Orientem (talk) 06:45, 7 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]
• Please don't withdraw. I don't know how RfA feels (never want to be one), but know other feelings of frustration. I supported RexxS and Floq, and both are good admins. I supported Montanabw's, which failed, mostly because of one incident in which she was defending me, making me feel awful. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 08:12, 7 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]
• No, please don't withdraw. You have been honest to a fault. It is sad that a misunderstanding that took place nearly 2 years ago has been blown out of proportion. If any editor has a concern they should take the time to do their homework and see for themselves. I am still a bit taken back that honest collaboration has been referred to in that manner but oh well, it happens. The editor I know is this one, and even after you were wrongfully taken to task, you stayed true to your principals and looked past it. <--- That is the kind of character I look for in an admin, GRuban. ^Atsme _Talk 📧 09:31, 7 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • Thanks, folks. I appreciate the support and the advice. I was aware it could be rough, I posted a picture of a firing line on User talk:GRuban/RfA, after all. I would not have applied if I didn't think I could take that, and would not have been a very good admin without a bit of thick skin. (It's the thick head that was always an issue!) The community is still deciding, I'll let them decide. I'm here to help the Wikipedia, and if they decide that's best done with the mop, I'll be honored, if not, will keep editing without. --GRuban (talk) 10:31, 7 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

I'm not going to switch to oppose, but Wikipedia:Advice for RfA candidates does have two sections entitled "Rebuttals are dangerous", and unfortunately you're finding out the hard way why badgering your opposers is always a bad idea. Ritchie333 ^{(talk) (cont)} 12:13, 7 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

This is worth bearing in mind - you have very respected active supporters, so it's better to leave discussion to them (and everyone else) and you now have a question which can be utilised in that fashion. Nosebagbear (talk) 16:02, 7 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

• Hi GRuban. There is some confusion regarding your redaction of your comment on the content of the email. Some people are not aware that you have redacted the content. Per WP:REDACTED (a guideline not a policy, so it is not something you have to do, but something that is regarded as good practise) it is suggested that some indication be given when content is redacted. So, for example, instead of "..." you could have "[content redacted as a courtesy]". Because you have not broken any policy in talking about the content of the email, there will be differences of opinion on your action. I am not in favour of your having talked about the content, but I can see that it is a debatable point, and there will be people who disagree with me. However, we all do need transparency and to be talking about the same issue, and at the moment some people are not aware of the redaction, and so are seeing you merely mentioning the existence of the email, which is not the same issue as talking about the content of the email. Would you consider following WP:REDACTED and making people aware that you having removed some content from your statement on the email? SilkTork (talk) 14:32, 7 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Sure. Better? --GRuban (talk) 14:46, 7 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

• RFA is Lord of the Flies writ large and there is blood spilled already and the frenzy is building. As I mentioned in the related thread on Wikipediocracy, sometimes one needs to have the discipline to fold a hand with pocket queens (to preserve the chip stack to play again) and that's really hard to have the discipline to do. I respect the decision to fight on in this RFA, but the trend line is unpromising and folding cards to get out of this hand still seems to me the best play. Good luck with it, no matter which course you decide upon. —tim /// Carrite (talk) 16:00, 7 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]
• Despite currently being a neutral I'd also like to say you definitely shouldn't resign (it's worth noting that controversial RfAs usually actually dip up in the last 24 hours), even if the support % drops further. I hope your thick skin can insulate you against a few of the opposes (and indeed, a neutral) which are particularly unpleasant - thankfully something I was spared even in my reasonably controversial RfA. Nosebagbear (talk) 16:02, 7 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

The opposers are being honest, they've been hurt, they don't want to be hurt more. I'm not going to blame them for that. They don't believe in me, that's not a crime. I hope the community as a whole judges my work as a whole worthy. Again, I thank you all for your support. --GRuban (talk) 16:17, 7 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]