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Recreation of an article previously deleted by PROD. Concern was Unreferenced BLP. No reliable third party sources identifiable via Google News or Google Books. Fails WP:NSPORTS#Association football (not senior-level international, or professional) While the sourcing issues have been addressed for the most part, but the notability concerns remain. Sir Sputnik (talk) 23:50, 20 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]
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Delete - Fails WP:NFOOTBALL having never played in a fully professional league and does not have enough significant coverage to pass WP:GNG. Kosack (talk) 07:32, 21 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Delete - Fails NFOOTY as has not played senior international football nor played in a fully professional league. No indication that subject has garnered significant reliable coverage for any other achievements to satisfy GNG. Fenix down (talk) 08:03, 21 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Delete As there are no professional leagues in Iceland, the player has not played with an foreign club and has not played with the national "A team".--Snaevar (talk) 17:53, 21 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was keep. Going to be bold here, even though I have contributed. Subject has met the subject specific guideline since the start of the AfD. No reason to keep this open for bureaucratic reasons as deletion rationale would no longer be appropriate were the article nominated today. Fenix down (talk) 07:24, 1 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Recreation of an article previously deleted by PROD. Concern was Article about a footballer who fails WP:GNG and who has not played in a fully pro league. This remains valid. Sir Sputnik (talk) 23:43, 20 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]
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*Delete - Fails NFOOTY as has not played senior international football nor played in a fully professional league. No indication that subject has garnered significant reliable coverage for any other achievements to satisfy GNG. Fenix down (talk) 08:05, 21 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Do come back here and post if he does, I'll be happy to change my vote. Fenix down (talk) 17:00, 21 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]
The game was postponed so he didn't play and therefore still fails WP:NFOOTY. - YellowDingo(talk) 02:03, 24 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]
I agree. Match has been postponed till 30 July 2016 due to severe flooding in Novi Pazar, Serbia, however the league has started in other part of country. If consensus is reached to delete the article then I will recommend this article to be userified so that the original creator may get another chance to recreate it later (ofcourse if subject passes on WP:NFOOTY). Hitro talk 09:25, 27 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Yes it is fully Professional but he has not yet made his debut for Novi Pazar in the Serbian SuperLiga .Last game against Vojvodina was postponed but may play today's game against Javor Ivanjica.Pharaoh of the Wizards (talk) 20:37, 29 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Keep - not sure the point of nominating player who is on verge of professional debut. Waste of everyone's time. Especially now he has had professional start. Nfitz (talk) 05:14, 1 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Strong keep - He just made a debut in the Serbiian SuperLiga thus passing notability. AT time this nomination was made he didnt played yet in any professional league, now he did! FkpCascais (talk) 05:18, 1 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Keep - seems to have qualified for inclusion since the original nomination (the goalposts haven't moved but he now fits between them) - Arjayay (talk) 06:30, 1 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was delete. JohnCD (talk) 15:55, 30 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Fails WP:NBIO. Sources are weaker than they first appear:
The Hacker News doesn't appear reliable. (Not to be confused with Hacker News, although The Hacker News's favicon is obviously derivative, which is... sketchy.)
Silicon India also doesn't appear reliable, and the mention is just a listicle.
Pentest looks borderline to me, and may accept user submitted content. Regardless, the specific claim that he was the first Indian on the cover couldn't be verified.
The India Today source is reliable, but it provides no specific information about Rathod at all. It lists him as one of several "famous personalities" in a profile of ethical hacking as an "offbeat career".
Delete and I had actually speedied this in April but it was removed with absolutely no explanations which is typical; examining this simply found nothing convincingly better at all. I frankly would've even PRODed sooner myself but I was not interested if it was simply going to be removed also....at least we have G4 now for the future. SwisterTwistertalk 23:40, 20 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]
That's why I went with the AFD. From the editing history it seemed like a prod was just delaying the inevitable. Grayfell (talk) 02:08, 21 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]
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Merge and redirect as above. GiantSnowman 07:28, 22 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]
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Delete' as regardless of who started this article, examining this has still found nothing minimally convincing at all to suggest this would've even been convincingly notable to begin with. SwisterTwistertalk 00:13, 21 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]
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Delete and this is nearly tickles at being speedy material, but not quite enough to tag; regardless, examining this still has found nothing at all close to convincing independent notability, nothing at all convincing frankly. SwisterTwistertalk 00:16, 21 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was speedy delete. promotional article , by soock, probable paid editing in violation of the trems of use DGG ( talk ) 04:22, 21 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Non notable and created by blocked sock User:User:Davewhelan Theroadislong (talk) 21:22, 20 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Delete as all of this is simply showing it's a local company with some happenstance coverage, examining this still found nothing confidently convincing. SwisterTwistertalk 00:17, 21 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]
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Delete' and I frankly consider this speedy material as nothing here is at all close to being convincing and it's not surprising the article focuses with simply its funding, none of which would be convincing. SwisterTwistertalk 00:18, 21 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]
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I don't think it is of encyclopedic interest to know a footballer's religious views. Its content could be integrated into the main article. What's next, an article about Arjen Robben's favourite food? OscarL 21:08, 20 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Merge a tiny bit of information to Zlatan Ibrahimović. Too much speculative or irrelevant material. The detail is really excessive, but I have nothing against a brief mention of his body art in the "personal life" section. So we could reduce that to a sentence and merge. GABgab 00:13, 21 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Regardless of our personal opinions, the fact is that Ibrahimović's religious views are obviously deemed enough of a matter of public interest for CNN to ask him about them. The phrase "Ibrahimović religion" averages 1,900 searches every single month in Google (by contrast, "Robben favourite food" averages zero). Additionally, as he winds down his career, the non-footballing aspects of his life are only going to become more prominent.Montedia (talk) 10:58, 21 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Keep Ibrahimovic is among the most notable footballers of the past two decades so the off-shoot articles seem worthwhile. Doubly so since I sem to recall his religion being discussed quite a few times. 88.104.38.32 (talk) 13:47, 21 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]
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Merge any pertinent information to Zlatan Ibrahimović. The rest is either speculative or merely unencyclopedic. — Jkudlick • t • c • s 20:58, 26 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Redirect as an appropriate and DUE amount about his religious affiliations is already included in the main article. Jclemens (talk) 22:39, 26 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Merge any valid content properly sourced and then delete. GiantSnowman 06:18, 27 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Merge the properly sourced facts, and get rid of the rest - most of this article is WP:OR. Ilikeeatingwaffles (talk) 11:41, 27 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Merge per Ilikeeatingwaffles.--89.180.159.93 (talk) 12:25, 27 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]
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NN musical group. No assertion of notability, only released one album. The album may be notable, but it doesn't appear that way at present. MSJapan (talk) 20:17, 20 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Delete as I myself have simply found nothing actually better, the article basically says it all too; nothing at all close to minimally convincing. SwisterTwistertalk 23:58, 20 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]
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Originally I had said, at the William Susman AfD, that I didn't think Belarca Records would be viable as stand-alone article, however, this may be sufficient independent reliable sources on their CDs for such article:
Other titles can be made into redirects to this section too.
(sorry for the unusual presentation of this plan: I created this reply on a separate page in my userspace in order to post it as a template on several AfDs concurrently) --Francis Schonken (talk) 08:15, 22 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]
The problem with this, if I have understood you correctly, is that Belarca Records is not a notable label and currently redirects to William Susman, who at least has a marginal notability. It is basically no different than a self-published book. It has very few recordings, and all of them including or devoted to Susman's work. And note that it is marketed through Naxos Direct, which, as has been pointed out. is no different to Amazon or CDBaby. It is not a sub-label of Naxos Records. Finally, small labels like this draw their notability from the notability of the artists and ensembles who record for them. If none of them are independently notable, then neither is the label. In my view, this is not helpful. The decision should be made on each of the artist/ensemble articles separately. This kind of transclusion of a sub-discussion also causes a potential mess in AfDs. Voceditenore (talk) 09:16, 22 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]
OK, I'll "subst:" the template content to the AfD pages in order to avoid creating AfD confusion. Can we keep the centralised discussion on this idea at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/William Susman#William Susman then (no need to do the same discussion over in the different places)? --Francis Schonken (talk) 09:33, 22 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]
"Restart" - In an effort to address the issue without getting mired in the subst above, Octet Ensemble, if it is to be kept, needs to meet WP:NMUSIC on its own. The fact that Susman is involved is irrelevant, as one possibly notable person does not make the group notable. The fact that it's on Susman's label is irrelevant, because the label can't be notable because of Susman. We have here a group that has released one album on an indie label, did nothing for three years previous, and has done nothing since. The fact that the guy who started the group also owns the label doesn't matter, except to maybe make a case against notability. MSJapan (talk) 18:00, 22 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]
There's no harm in suggesting "redirect" during an AfD debate. Since William Susman, listed above among the current AfDs, seem likely to survive its AfD, I'd tentatively suggest to convert the Octet Ensemble article into a redirect to William Susman. --Francis Schonken (talk) 04:58, 23 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]
That's fine, but it's the 4 million unrelated articles in here that are making the thread hard to manage. The individual AfDs just aren't the right place to do the "overarching plan" sort of thing. MSJapan (talk) 05:07, 23 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Yep, and you seem to have messed up the links from the bands and musicians delsort page, which now are circular links back to the delsort page. Whatever it is you did please don't do it anymore. I'll try and fix those links. Shawn in Montreal (talk) 14:31, 23 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Delete Another of the plants in the WP:WALLEDGARDEN. Fails GNG and NMUSIC. One album is not sufficient and there is no coverage anyway. --Lemongirl942 (talk) 08:42, 28 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]
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A longtime composer, but cannot find independent sources to meet WP:COMPOSER or WP:NMUSIC. There's no notable composition, he doesn't write for theatre, and he doesn't meet any of the other four criteria either, nor is there any basis to claim the "Other" five are met either. On the WP:NMUSIC front, he releases everything on his own indie label, so there's no separability there. I can't source his airplay on radio to any more than the single programs listed. The majority of the references that were cited were namedrops or didn't actually mention Susman at all. The awards he received I can't find information for, so there's no way to determine if even the ASCAP awards mean anything. MSJapan (talk) 20:02, 20 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Comment: in addition, the article seems to be copied word by word from his website, copyright violation. If not deleted, it needs a rewrite. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 08:45, 21 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Francesco Di Fiore (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) (an article on one of the other composers for the Belarca label) was deleted for copyvio reasons in 2006 – don't see why it should take ten years more for this article that afaics primarily tries to misuse Wikipedia for promotional purposes. --Francis Schonken (talk) 12:53, 21 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]
KeepDelete – neither William Susman, nor his Belarca label, nor any of the artists performing for that label can be found on the www.naxos.com webite (Naxos does list recordings of labels such as Capriccio which they distribute). All five Belarca CDs are distributed through NaxosDirect (naxosdirect.com/labels/belarca-4365), which is an online shop. As far as WP:GNG goes that is as trivial as being available on Amazon... There simply aren't enough independent non-trivial reliable sources for this composer. His name is mentioned in the Native New Yorker (film) article, and that's about as far as Wikipedia can go imho. ASCAP also is as trivial as trivial goes if no independent reliable description (as opposed to mere mentioning) can be found that describes this as meaningful for this artist. I tried hard to find out whether it would be possible to keep Belarca Records (currently a redirect to the William Susman article) as an article that would group the information on this composer and the related (groups of) artists and recordings with AfD notices, but it simply doesn't seem feasible under Wikipedia's current notability standards. --Francis Schonken (talk) 12:35, 21 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Changed to "Keep" per Voceditenore below. --Francis Schonken (talk) 04:43, 23 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Originally I had said, at the William Susman AfD, that I didn't think Belarca Records would be viable as stand-alone article, however, this may be sufficient independent reliable sources on their CDs for such article:
Other titles can be made into redirects to this section too.
(sorry for the unusual presentation of this plan: I created this reply on a separate page in my userspace in order to post it as a now substituted template on several AfDs concurrently) --Francis Schonken (talk) 08:15, 22 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]
The problem with this, if I have understood you correctly, is that Belarca Records is not a notable label and currently redirects to William Susman, who at least has a marginal notability. It is basically no different than a self-published book. It has very few recordings, and all of them including or devoted to Susman's work. And note that it is marketed through Naxos Direct, which, as has been pointed out. is no different to Amazon or CDBaby. It is not a sub-label of Naxos Records. Finally, small labels like this draw their notability from the notability of the artists and ensembles who record for them. If none of them are independently notable, then neither is the label. In my view, this is not helpful. The decision should be made on each of the artist/ensemble articles separately. This kind of transclusion of a sub-discussion also causes a potential mess in AfDs. Voceditenore (talk) 09:16, 22 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]
OK, I'll "subst:" the template content to the AfD pages in order to avoid creating AfD confusion. Can we keep the centralised discussion on this idea at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/William Susman#William Susman then (no need to do the same discussion over in the different places)? --Francis Schonken (talk) 09:33, 22 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]
This should still not be an editable subsection, in my view, but I agree that keeping the discussion in one place is a good idea, although I really think this proposal to redirect all the articles to a non-notable record label is very misguided. Voceditenore (talk) 09:46, 22 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]
As I see it a non-redirect Belarca Records would need to pass WP:GNG and/or Wikipedia:Notability (organizations and companies). There's nothing misguided about trying to find out whether that would be possible. "If none of [the artists] are independently notable, then neither is the label" seems far more misguided, and not a notability standard as applied anywhere on Wikipedia. Belarca Records passes WP:GNG or it doesn't. Whether the required multiple independent non-trivial reliable sources are on its founder, its artists, its releases, or whatever else that highlights the company, does not make a difference. Compare List of cantatas by Christoph Graupner: maybe none of the cantatas listed there would pass WP:GNG for a separate article, but that doesn't prevent Wikipedia from having an article that treats a group of topics with possibly insufficient "notability" in their own right. --Francis Schonken (talk) 10:20, 22 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Comment
I agree but think I found enough independent mentioning of the composer, now assembled in External links, to also keep him.
Susman Music - Official Website including audio files and scores
There's a decent bio from 1987, and his name comes up at recent film festivals. Some of them could become references. If he is not "notable", something is wrong with our criteria. - I heard his name yesterday for the first time, so feel without conflict of interest. I tried to make the article more concise and neutral, - help wanted. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 08:32, 22 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Well, the above are mainly "trivial"-type links (trivial in the WP:GNG meaning of not giving substantial independent coverage, e.g. the Fromm link is a mere listing void of prose text, interviews don't add up to WP:GNG, others, like the short bio, don't seem independent of the (education) institutions with which the composer has a connection,...) – The CD reviews are most tangible as independent reliable souces, if they pass a minimum standard of professionality (which needs to be looked in to) – as these reviews are not independent of each other in William Susman's case (all on the same website, www.acousticmusic.com) they leave too little ground for an independent article. So I think the "Belarca Records" article solution best to get started with, with all the others as redirects. This also avoids deletion of article history, making it possible to revive independent articles once they would get enough body in sources that add up in the WP:GNG logic.
For clarity: most of the above links can't be kept in the "External links" section of this article anyhow, per WP:EL. --Francis Schonken (talk) 09:07, 22 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]
I have reformatted this. Please don't add editable subsections to AfD discussions. Voceditenore (talk) 09:22, 22 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Gerda Arendt has two contributions to this debate starting with a bolded !vote-word, can this be reformatted without giving the illusion of a double !vote? Tx! --Francis Schonken (talk) 09:51, 22 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]
CommentGerda, I am not impressed with the current external links. 1. is the subject's own website. 2. Is a self-published website with reader contributed reviews. 3. simply attests to a commission from the Fromm Foundation. 4. is a paid press-release which states quite clearly at the top "McKenzie News Service can help increase attendance to your events. Details" It mentions "a breathtaking original score by William Susman" but this is not is not an independent review at all. It is an advert. 5. and 6. are duplicates of each other and are from a program at the U of M music school where the contents are supplied by the performer. It is not an independent review or evaluation of the work being performed or of the composer. 7. is a press release written by Susman for the film. 8. simply lists Susman as one of the five composers of this film's score. 9. is a brief article in a student magazine at Athabasca University. I'm holding off !voting at the moment, but as far as I can see, the only marginally notable award is the first ASCAP one, which he did win (it's for composers under 30). The second ASCAP one is basically an undergraduate grant. The films are not particularly notable. Most are very short, and the article on Native New Yorker (film) (a film lasting 13 minutes) was created by one of the editors who has created and/or extensively edited all the articles in this suite. The commission from the Fromm Foundation at Harvard is a plus. The AllMusic bio ditto. This is different from a simple listing of the CD and they're written independently. Some of Susman's music appears to have been played on two or three specialist radio stations. I can find no evidence of premieres or concerts featuring it in major venues or performed by notable ensembles/musicians, or even reviews of these premieres. This is a very niche genre so a certain amount of slack can be granted, but the question is how much. I'll see if I can find more coverage of his work and report back. Voceditenore (talk) 10:38, 22 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]
This NYT review article mentions the premiere of one of his pieces by the Harrington String Quartet (it is one of the references used at it:William Susman). Doesn't help much as a GNG-grade additional source though. --Francis Schonken (talk) 11:01, 22 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Keep Meets COMPOSER criteria 2 multiple times if one includes movies and shorts. Won numerous musical prizes, not well-known ones, but its hard to ignore that many, including film festival awards not in his biography. Has score composer credits for eighteen films. Likely meets, or comes very close to meeting the GNG from the sources on his page. The Steve 10:44, 22 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Keep Passes WP:MUSICBIO criterion 12. There was a two-hour program devoted to Susman and his work in 2003 on Concertzender, at the time part of the Dutch Public Broadcasting System). Note also that it is now a private station devoted to classical music and seems to regularly broadcast his work (10 times in 2016 [3]). Voceditenore (talk) 11:39, 22 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Keep meets Musicbio. He won many prizes as a composer. ~EDDY(talk/contribs)~ 23:36, 23 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Keep: has adequate indicia of notability. Montanabw(talk) 04:25, 25 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]
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Delete as both my searches and examinations are not finding anything convincingly better at all, particularly in that WorldCat and Scholar showed nothing. SwisterTwistertalk 00:10, 21 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was delete. JohnCD (talk) 15:57, 30 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Anna Christina Radziwill, daughter of Caroline Lee Bouvier Radziwill, who is the sister of First Lady Jacqueline Bouvier "Jackie" Kenney Onassis, is not independently notable for her own article on Wikipedia. WP:GNG has not been met. There is no Significant coverage coverage of the subject that speaks of her directly and in detail. If you do a quick Google search, you will find that Anna Christina Radziwill is only mentioned in passing with her notable mother Caroline Bouvier Radziwill and other notable family members. She is only mentioned in passing in reliable sources, such as here. ✉cookiemonster✉𝚨755𝛀 19:55, 20 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Delete Despite the Kennedy family being called "the American dynasty" they do not have any sort of positions as members of it, and JFK's wife's niece is not quite a member anyway. Nothing about her is enough to constitute notability.John Pack Lambert (talk) 13:38, 23 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Delete Does not meet notability policy guidelines. Engleham (talk) 11:05, 27 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Delete Clearly doesn't meet any notability guidelines. I'd suggest we create a Wikidata item if she links to other notable people genealogically. Emir of Wikipedia (talk) 23:51, 29 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]
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Does not meet WP:NALBUMS. AllMusic is not a source for notability, and no one else has reviewed it. It has not won a major award, gotten any substantial coverage, etc., and it really doesn't need to be redirected - we don't have an article on the documentary. MSJapan (talk) 19:40, 20 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Discussion about other related WP:WALLEDGARDEN articles and COI (recommend !voters to read it)
Originally I had said, at the William Susman AfD, that I didn't think Belarca Records would be viable as stand-alone article, however, this may be sufficient independent reliable sources on their CDs for such article:
Other titles can be made into redirects to this section too.
(sorry for the unusual presentation of this plan: I created this reply on a separate page in my userspace in order to post it as a template on several AfDs concurrently) --Francis Schonken (talk) 08:15, 22 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]
The problem with this, if I have understood you correctly, is that Belarca Records is not a notable label and currently redirects to William Susman, who at least has a marginal notability. It is basically no different than a self-published book. It has very few recordings, and all of them including or devoted to Susman's work. And note that it is marketed through Naxos Direct, which, as has been pointed out. is no different to Amazon or CDBaby. It is not a sub-label of Naxos Records. Finally, small labels like this draw their notability from the notability of the artists and ensembles who record for them. If none of them are independently notable, then neither is the label. In my view, this is not helpful. The decision should be made on each of the artist/ensemble articles separately. This kind of transclusion of a sub-discussion also causes a potential mess in AfDs. Voceditenore (talk) 09:16, 22 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]
OK, I'll "subst:" the template content to the AfD pages in order to avoid creating AfD confusion. Can we keep the centralised discussion on this idea at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/William Susman#William Susman then (no need to do the same discussion over in the different places)? --Francis Schonken (talk) 09:33, 22 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Since William Susman, listed above among the current AfDs, seems likely to survive its AfD, I'd tentatively suggest to convert the Fate of the Lhapa (soundtrack) article into a redirect to William Susman. --Francis Schonken (talk) 05:11, 23 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Delete Fails NALBUM. Another of the WP:WALLEDGARDEN articles around Willian Susman. I don't see any good redirect target here - multiple people have worked on the album and the documentary doesn't seem to be notable. A clear delete--Lemongirl942 (talk) 02:38, 26 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]
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Aside from the terrible writing -- which is a fixable issue -- I can no find reliable sources indicating this film meets WP:NFILM in any way, shape or form. (Also rather surprised by the somewhat dubious claim that former Turkish minister Abdülkadir Aksu wrote the film.) Shawn in Montreal (talk) 19:18, 20 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Delete. The only hits I got with Google are ~1min youtube videos (<100 views), wikipages, facebook (with only a handful of likes) and imdb with a synopsis that looks copied straight from a wikipage (double square brackets etc). No coverage in reliable sources whatsoever, so clearly fails GNG. I would even consider WP:A11 speedy deletion. - HyperGaruda (talk) 04:31, 21 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Delete only 7 G-matches and, as stated above, these are eerily similar (Creator has 6 live edits and 15 deleted ones - maybe an admin could check these?) - Arjayay (talk) 13:48, 21 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]
It looks like the IMDb page was copied from the prior version the now-blocked editor has written, given that they use brackets and that it was written after the prior Wikipedia page was created. It's not a copyvio candidate, although it is decidedly non-notable. This looks to be the latest attempt by the editor to add himself (four prior attempts) and his film (one prior attempt) to Wikipedia, so I've given him an indef for self-promotion and disruptive editing. Tokyogirl79 (。◕‿◕。) 06:50, 22 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Delete - I PRODed it initially but the author removed it. There is nothing to suggest that the topic is notable enough. Also, I could not find any good sources for it. Fails NFILM. Yash! 23:08, 23 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Delete I would have speedied this. I thrice deleted and salted Bilal Akbulut's article about himself, and I've now blocked User:Tobey Espinosa as a sock of that account, previously blocked by Tokyogirl79 (Tobey is his character in the film) Jimfbleak - talk to me? 05:55, 24 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]
I'm going to go ahead and close this one a few days early (as I didn't give any actual argument either way). The consensus here seems to be quite clear at this point. Tokyogirl79 (。◕‿◕。) 05:33, 25 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was no consensus. Opinions are split between either keep or merge/redirect. While several opinions are quite weak, there are valid arguments on both sides, and whether somebody transcends BLP1E is a matter of editorial judgment. The article therefore stays by default ... for now. Sandstein 16:07, 28 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Reason GoldenSHK (talk) 18:15, 20 July 2016 (UTC)
Seems like this lady is an unknown ghost writer (by definition they're not supposed to be known anyway) and she happens to be trending right now due to Melania Trump's "speechgate" controversy. What are the chances she'll do anything notable again after this week or if this trending issue really is of longstanding importance?[reply]
Keep: I realize there is a possible BLP1E theory at the moment; this seems likely to be gone before the end of the AfD period.--Milowent • hasspoken 18:39, 20 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Update: eight days later, I think I could support redirect to an article just on the speech controversy, but unfortunately that's been merged for the time being and is getting short shrift. I think the speech controversy is something people will want to look up in future years.--Milowent • hasspoken 12:38, 28 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]
@Milowent: Agreed, but I don't think editors will see value in the article unless/until it is fully expanded. ---Another Believer(Talk) 14:56, 28 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Speedy redirect for BLP reasons. It can always be turned back into an article later. For now, there are serious risks of this just being a coatrack of criticism. I always tend to think that people read BLP1E too strictly, since the third criterion disqualifies a lot of BLPs that might otherwise meet the criteria. However, while the third criterion may be met in the current news cycle, it's unclear if it will remain so in the future. My guess is it actually will remain notable, and as the event and McIver's role are both covered more, that third criterion will ultimately be met. But for now, I think we ought to err on the side of caution. There's a much greater risk for harm in keeping this article than in provisionally redirecting it. — PinkAmpers&(Je vous invite à me parler) 19:30, 20 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Speedy redirect for BLP reasons. Completely agree with the above. I just didn't know that was the exact rule that I needed to reference. Thanks PinkAmpersand. 100% same thought. Should be redirected to the Melania Trump Speech Contreversy which funny enough even has a "Main article" tag on McIver's article. GoldenSHK (talk) 19:45, 20 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Redirect as a plausible search term, but a BLP1E case. – Muboshgu (talk) 20:11, 20 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Merge to Melania Trump speech plagiarism controversy. The most significant coverage I could find about her prior to the current event was this: [4]. While somewhat entertaining, it is not significant coverage about her, and her role in the current event is both WP:BLP1E and WP:ONEEVENT at this time.24.151.10.165 (talk) 20:26, 20 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Change to Keep. A reliable source [5] has now connected her to two independent incidences, separated by a number of years, where she has been identified by the Trump Organization as the author of damaging mistakes. In combination with some preexisting coverage regarding her ghostwriting role on Trump's books this bio now satisfies WP:GNG and no longer fails WP:BLP1E in my estimation. 24.151.10.165 (talk) 21:16, 23 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Delete or redirect as a low-profile one-event BLP. Gee, this one is fast even for Wikipedia. Can we confirm that this staffer is real yet? • Gene93k (talk) 21:03, 20 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]
I don't think full deletion should be an option. McIver's name appears on my television screen as I write this sentence. People are and will be turning to Wikipedia for information. If people are searching for her by name, they should be directed to something. ---Another Believer(Talk) 21:11, 20 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Keep per coverage in multiple reliable sources. Seems like we should give this article some time to develop, especially since outlets are creating profiles about her as we speak. ---Another Believer(Talk) 22:46, 20 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Delete per BLP1E. The linked article above are about the plagiarism, not the individual, and other sources I've seen do not corroborate notability. Reywas92Talk 23:17, 20 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Delete per BLP1E - not enough info about this person to do a credible biography —МандичкаYO 😜 02:58, 21 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Keep If she exists as claimed - Trump's staff speechwriter and ghostwriter of several of his books - then surely she's notable enough, regardless of the plagiarism controversy. If she's in any way fictitious then the story of how that happened is also notable. Eric Blatant (talk) 08:08, 21 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Keep per Eric Blatant. If she authored or co-authored the four books as stated, then this isn't a BLP1E. Brianga (talk) 13:31, 21 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]
keep. As a ghostwriter she is notable. There is likely to come a number of news articles on her: "I just finished up the first of many interviews to come. Be on the lookout for it soon." [6]. — fnielsen (talk) 14:17, 21 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks for the correction! I recalled that photo, actually. I am very confused now. Is Piers Morgan ironic? [7]. — fnielsen (talk) 14:44, 21 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]
The other image is of course also photoshopped [8]. — fnielsen (talk) 15:00, 21 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Comment: I hope this discussion continues for several more days, because new articles are revealing more details about McIver. Take this one fore example. ---Another Believer(Talk) 16:51, 21 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Keep, for better or for worse - her role as to the plagiarism controversy and ghostwriting for the Trump organization makes her notable, if only slightly beating out BLP1E. I would second a redirect/merge with Melania Trump speech plagiarism controversy if said article is in-depth. As of now, both articles should remain. Ellomate(questions? talk/consult my lawyer) 23:43, 21 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Keep notable co-author of numerous best-selling books, despite rumors to the effect that she doesn't exist,[9] which are all the more reason for us to serve out our encyclopedic purpose here. -- Kendrick7talk 16:34, 22 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Strong Keep Ahh! Ghostwriter. This explains why there are so many mistakes in Trump's tweets but not in books written by this ghostwriter in his behalf!--Alcoaariel (talk) 06:22, 23 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Keep and do not redirect: Even if Melania Trump had not given a speech at all, McIver would merit notability as having ghostwritten several of Trump's books, given the events of the past year. The facts that a) there was controversy surrounding Melania's speech and b) there was a question raised as to whether McIver actually existed both make the existence of a McIver WP article important. KConWiki (talk) 13:41, 24 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Keep per above discussion, notable aside from the Melania Trump speech (and that page no longer exists, was merged to the convention page) which actually is notable enough for this page's inclusion. Randy Kryn 16:27, 25 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Keep: she is admittedly a minor actor in the 2016 election, but has had a long-term significant involvement with Trump and his family. She has consistently been chosen as Trump's coauthor. She is involved in two controversies which have received attention during this election (see contribution from IP 24.151.10.165 above). Sufficient reliable sources are now available to support the article content. --Mirokado (talk) 20:28, 26 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Delete. I'm still not convinced that she even exists, or perhaps is a nom de plume of some other person, such as a Russian spy. I want to see her birth certificate. Bearian (talk) 19:38, 27 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]
cute, actually, pretty funny. but, User:Bearian, you may want to revisit so that this can be closed. I assume that you're joking, but, on the chance that you are not kidding about the delete, come back and give a serious reason.E.M.Gregory (talk) 15:31, 28 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Keep - I'm kinda 50/50 on the BLP1E thing but notability is certainly there and given a chance overtime the article will improve, If it doesn't renominate it and we'll all scream BLP1E like banshees . –Davey2010Talk 20:32, 27 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Keep It's not strictly BLP1E because of the coverage of her as a Trump assistant and ghostwriter, credited as co-author of his 2005 book, and writtnen up as such in The NYTimes, the Guardian and other papers back in 2005/ 2007.(links on page) It's more like an actress who has a speaking role in a blockbuster movie, once, then, 10 years later, has a speaking role in a second blockbuster movie. In that role she plays maybe the private secretary, but in that role she has this one famous line. So we keep her. Becase people years form know will stumble on that moment and want to know who she is. Also WP:RAPID.E.M.Gregory (talk) 15:28, 28 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was speedy delete. vanity page for nn Jimfbleak - talk to me? 06:31, 21 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Speedy delete under A7 and G13. ProgrammingGeek (Page! • Talk! • Contribs!) 19:43, 20 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]
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A "future characters" article isn't useful because it will be empty most of the time and, once the series is over, forever. Future characters can be listed in a "future characters" section of an existing article on the series or on the characters of the series. Largoplazo (talk) 17:25, 13 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]
MERGE to List of The Dumping Ground characters. That way the characters can be freely moved from "future" to "present" and thence to "past" as appropriate. CrowCaw 17:46, 13 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Merge to List of The Dumping Ground characters as per Crow, since they might as well be included with a note that they have been announced. A separate article for this is not helpful in the long-run. It's not doing too much good now, since it contains just one individual. GABgab 23:18, 13 July 2016 (UTC) See below. GABgab 23:03, 27 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]
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Delete - Redirecting is useless because no one's going to search for "The Dumping Ground Future Characters", "The Dumping Ground Characters" yes but the former no!, I've merged the content in to the characters article so there's no need for this article. –Davey2010Talk 20:22, 27 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Great, thanks, Davey2010. Now, I think we can delete, as it makes more sense to have a single "characters" article, rather than a "characters" article, a "past characters" article, and a "future characters" article. GABgab 23:03, 27 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Delete as there's nothing actually suggestive of keeping this as there would simply not be anything close to convincing substance. SwisterTwistertalk 23:37, 27 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]
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The coverage (references, external links, etc.) does not seem sufficient to justify this article passing Wikipedia:General notability guideline and the more detailed Wikipedia:Notability (biographies) requirement. This is essentially a CV based on primary sources (press releases, etc.). There are three news sources, two are very court and essentially press releases as well about the subjected becoming a CEO; the third is a bit better - an interview about his family (mostly his father) in a more reliable newspapaper ([10]). Still, it is not really about him. Overall, I do not see what makes the subjected notable enough to be in an encyclopedia. The article is part of a series about a certain Polish company created by an otherwise WP:SPA; the company may be notable - but it's CEO does not seem to be. Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 13:54, 29 June 2016 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was delete. Notability not established. — Coffee // have a cup // beans // 07:08, 3 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]
This being a minor club only the article would seem to be breaching terms of WP:GNG. It is also seeming to be not in compliance with WP:NCRIC and WP:CRIN. Regards, Naz | talk | contribs 13:37, 5 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Delete as not only is a newly started group, there's also still nothing for the applicable notability, nothing at all convincing to keep. SwisterTwistertalk 00:26, 13 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]
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Speedy Keep Wikipedia is for providing information to people about the history of the club regardless of being a Non-notable minor club or a popular one. All related references & citations were given in the page appropriately. All guidelines were met while creating the page. It is properly updated on a weekly basis and more importantly not clustered. It is not a newly started group as noted by other editors, only the page has been created recently to update all the information for viewing. Ashok4u2cool (talk) 13:54, 19 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]
— Note to closing admin: Ashok4u2cool (talk • contribs) is the creator of the page that is the subject of this AfD. )
Comment, article creator has also made articles on the club's grounds - Arumuga Koundanur MR Garden Ground and Arumuga Koundanur Teachers Colony Ground, are these notable? Ashok4u2cool, please take a look at Wikipedia:What Wikipedia is not. Coolabahapple (talk) 20:43, 19 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Speedy Keep References for notability have been provided in the page already, for the club's participation in district level matches. Below are the citations provided in the news section of Coimbatore District Cricket Association (CDCA), which is a member of Tamil Nadu Cricket Association (TNCA), India. Participation in 2014 district tournament[1] Participation in 2015 district tournament[2] Participation in 2016 district tournament[3]103.59.185.242 (talk) 14:52, 20 July 2016 (UTC) — 103.59.185.242 (talk • contribs) has made few or no other edits outside this topic. )[reply]
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Delete Seriously, this massively fails WP:ORGDEPTH. Wikipedia is not a directory for local non-notable clubs. Please show me in-depth coverage of this club in reliable newspapers like The Hindu/Times of India/Hindustan Times. Till that time, I am going with delete. --Lemongirl942 (talk) 07:04, 22 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Speedy Keep References for publication in reliable newspaper in "The Hindu" about the match article as requested[1] Also listed in one of the cricket teams in India by "Times of India" in their website [2]
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The result was delete. czar 09:51, 26 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]
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Delete: No evidence of notability. The single source given is by the subject, and thus does not demonstrate notability. Google news search brings up lots on Simon Thornton (golfer), but none on the recording engineer. Caeciliusinhorto (talk) 10:22, 6 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]
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Delete: An article sourced only to a Wordpress blog. My searches are finding very little, just a brief mention on the old Guardian Music Blog in 2008 [11]. Fails WP:MUSICBIO, WP:GNG. AllyD (talk) 19:26, 20 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]
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Local event organised by non-notable local organisation, and written up in local media. Does not appear to pass WP:GNG. PamD 22:21, 29 June 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Pawtoberfest has received national recognition in the form of an Animal Planet acknowledgement.57Watt 20:26, 1 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Delete - Non-notable local promotional campaign by a local campaign. I'm sure they do good work, which we should all support, but this is a GNG fail. Carrite (talk) 16:56, 4 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]
What exactly would Pawtoberfest need to qualify for preservation?57Watt 17:22, 12 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]
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Comment to the above comment by 57Watt - it would require two or three good sources dealing substantially with the subject published in independent books, articles, or newspapers of presumed reliability. Carrite (talk) 02:10, 18 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]
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My own searches have simply found expected passing mentions but no actual substantial coverage, there's no inherited notability from their clients and I have found nothing else convincing. SwisterTwistertalk 21:44, 29 June 2016 (UTC)[reply]
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Keep per meeting WP:CORP and improve this sad stub article about a company which has won multiple industry awards (yes, some minor),[12][13] as diligent searches find the accompanying media coverage due to those awards.[14][15][16][17] Tone and sourcing of an arguably notable topic is a matter for editorial attention, not deletion. As with similar articles, it is expected that sources would write about the product of a production/distribution company. Per guideline: "'A company, corporation, organization, team, religion, group, product, or service is notable if it has been the subject of significant coverage in secondary sources. Such sources must be reliable, and independent of the subject. The depth of coverage of the subject by the source must be considered. If the depth of coverage is not substantial, then multiple independent sources should be cited to establish notability." My emboldening as WP:SUBSTANTIAL is not a requirement of WP:SIGCOV (intentional redlink to underscore that it is not a mandate). Multiple sources are available. Time to address issues. Schmidt, Michael Q. 04:02, 18 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]
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My own searches have simply found unacceptable sources overall, advertorial contents, press releases and other unhelpful links. My examinations here have found nothing actually convincing for any applicable notability, there's certainly not inherited notability from having Space Foundation certification. I'll note I frankly nearly tagged as speedy or PROD. SwisterTwistertalk 21:44, 29 June 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Delete. Wikipedia is not a forum for corporate advertising. Sources inadequate. Xxanthippe (talk) 23:48, 29 June 2016 (UTC).[reply]
Hi, first time poster just signed up to plea with you not to delete this article. The advertising you cite is likely for products that are free such as STK and Cesium. Also worth noting the page has been in existence for at least eight years. Please to inform me what sources are inadequate or missing and I will be more than happy to improve the article. Astronika (talk) 02:24, 30 June 2016 (UTC)[reply]
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@Astronika: we need to see significant coverage in multiple reliable sources. See WP:GOLDENRULE. ~Kvng (talk) 18:10, 15 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]
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Keep - Multiple offices and a significant web footprint. Meets GNG, I believe, see, for example THIS coverage in the book The Future of Business: The Essentials, by Lawrence Gitman and Carl McDaniel. Carrite (talk) 01:25, 23 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]
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The article shows no evidence of notability, and is untouched in terms of actual content since its original upload, save for the tags added by myself and User:Edward321. The article is also very poorly written, and it seems like it was simply pasted from Google Translate. GammaRadiator (talk) 20:54, 29 June 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Weak keep. Press coverage is there, suggesting the subject passes the GNG.[18][19] --Paul_012 (talk) 12:59, 4 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Maybe so, but it appears to be from an affiliate member of the ZEE group. Therefore, it is self advertising and is ineligable as a source.GammaRadiator (talk) 00:11, 7 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]
I guess you mean the articles read like advertorials? They aren't noted as such, though. --Paul_012 (talk) 07:28, 7 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]
No. Source 1 (ZEE News) has only a passing reference to ZEE Nung, instead focusing on ZEE Sine, a ZEE franchise in the Phillipines whereas Nung broadcasts in Thailand. The second source links to another unrelated article discussing one of ZEE Living's (NOT ZEE Nung) presenters being nominated for an Emmy. Because both articles are unrelated to ZEE Nung itself, there are no apparent sources and it therefore fails to meet GNGs. GammaRadiator (talk) 12:10, 7 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Oh. I thought you were referring to the Bangkok Post and The Nation articles I gave above. My comment wasn't referring to any of the refs currently used in the article. --Paul_012 (talk) 16:56, 7 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]
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Redirect to Zee Entertainment Enterprises I found an article to show that it "exists". But there is no significant coverage about the channel itself (also it fails WP:CORPDEPTH by a huge margin). More importantly, I found that the channel doesn't have its own original programming but is simply replaying popular Indian programmes owned by the network's other popular channels like Zee TV. Since it doesn't have its own programming, I would say redirect it to the parent organisation per WP:NMEDIA --Lemongirl942 (talk) 05:07, 22 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]
That seems sensible. Either way, Nung is definitely not worthy of its own article. GammaRadiator (talk) 20:24, 23 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was delete. JohnCD (talk) 15:58, 30 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Middle-ranking government official and writer with no indication of notability per WP:BIO or WP:AUTHOR. He's written some books on Indian government regulations of no apparent notability per WP:NBOOK, and the claims of multiple government awards are both unreferenced and of unknown notability. I can find no significant coverage of him online in WP:Reliable sources, just author credits for his written works. OnionRing (talk) 13:22, 29 June 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Delete. fails WPBIO, No RS Uncletomwood (talk) 08:54, 2 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]
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Delete--a puff piece for a very, very non-notable person. Drmies (talk) 03:03, 3 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was redirect to Planting Peace. Opinions are split between merge and delete. The compromise is to redirect and let editorial consensus determine what, if anything, should be merged from the history. Sandstein 16:02, 28 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]
This is about one billboard, which received coverage from a few sources on the day it went up. (In addition to the sources listed in the article, I found it also got reported by the SF Chronicle and by "NBC Out".) I could find no coverage in the week since then, and no indication it had any impact on the convention, or on the national discussion of the issues involved. I believe it should be deleted, as too trivial for inclusion here. But if people favor a merge, it should be to Planting Peace, the organization that put it up, rather than to 2016 Republican National Convention, on which it had no effect. MelanieN (talk) 17:01, 20 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Merge to Planting Peace or to another article that covers anti-Trump sentiments. While there is a modicum of sourced, preservable content, I believe a stand-alone article is not warranted here; a paragraph in an existing article should suffice. pbp 17:03, 20 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Keep per coverage in many reliable sources. There is enough content to expand this article about an ephemeral protest and work of art. ---Another Believer(Talk) 17:09, 20 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Another Believer, I would certainly encourage you to expand the article if possible. However, I would note that of the sources you list, EVERY ONE of them appeared on July 14, nothing since; and only a few are what would be considered mainstream sources (as opposed to things like www.liberalamerica.com and www.usuncut.com). Also, they pretty much all say the same thing: what the billboard shows, who put it up, and why. If you can find additional material so as to expand the article, or if it receives further Reliable Source commentary or followup, I could be persuaded to withdraw my nomination. --MelanieN (talk) 17:29, 20 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Just an FYI: I've added some additional sources to the above list and to the article. ---Another Believer(Talk) 18:32, 20 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]
It may be a WP:CRYSTALBALL assumption to suggest the subject will receive more than just a WP:ONEEVENT-ish amount of coverage, so in case the amount of reliable sources covering the billboard doesn't expand beyond the sources published upon the day it was put up, than Merge to a related article, but do not delete in any sort of way. editorEهեইдအ😎 17:14, 20 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Delete Does not merit a redirect. Ad campaigns can merit redirect, but not from the handful of mentions this one received. It was a cute billboard, but it was hardly Morning in America or Daisy (advertisement). It lacks the kind of media analysis and ongoing coverage garnered this year by America (advertisement), and ad that charmed me into creating an article, but that itself may or may not stand the test of time.E.M.Gregory (talk) 17:47, 20 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Merge to Political art in the 2016 U.S. Presidential campaign or something - there are several attention-getting artworks of this kind that could perhaps best fit together.--Pharos (talk) 18:28, 20 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Why not? It's a phase in political art history, much like the 2008 campaign, which surely deserves its own article too. For context, I'm a bit of a campaign paraphernalia junkie, I wrote Tippecanoe and Tyler Too a few years ago.--Pharos (talk) 21:18, 20 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Merge to Planting Peace, by WP is not news and should not have an article on each thing that is reported by the news media. I will not ask if the billboard itself is homophobic since it seems to depict two men kissing as a bad thing. (Joke) Thoughtmonkey (talk) 19:41, 20 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]
It is already mentioned there with what seems to me to be about the right amount, just needs the references added.Thoughtmonkey (talk) 19:45, 20 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Delete, trivial. Merger is unnecessary because Planting Peace article already covers this (although without a source - someone should add a ref). Redirect is unnecessary as this would not be a common search term. Neutralitytalk 20:55, 20 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]
I would recommend, at the same time, that someone userfies this in case the subject gets more coverage to be just more than an one-news-event thing editorEهեইдအ😎 23:51, 20 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Keep - many reliable sources. Wikipedia does not censor. Roseohioresident (talk) 01:25, 21 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Merge to Planting Peace or to another article that covers anti-Trump sentiments per WP:NOTNEWS. It will not be notable in the future, especially if Trump does not become president. Sorry to say, but suffice to say, it really has no historical background to it. ✉cookiemonster✉𝚨755𝛀 01:46, 21 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Oh please delete. Is it election season or something? Drmies (talk) 05:08, 27 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Delete - The billboard is now mentioned in the Planting Peace article (with a photo, to boot!) GABgab 14:55, 28 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]
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Outside of a mention in The Rolling Stone Album Guide, this does not appear to satisfy the notability criteria. FamblyCat94 (talk) 00:14, 6 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Merge Non-notable album by a notable artist per WP:NALBUM. Merge with artist space.
1. …has been the subject of multiple, non-trivial, published works…: Not demonstrated
2. …has appeared…national music chart: Not demonstrated
3. …has been certified gold or higher...: Not demonstrated
4. …nominated for a major music award…: Not demonstrated
5. …in rotation nationally by a major...: Not demonstrated
6. …subject…substantial broadcast…national radio or TV network…: Not demonstratedNiktowha? 02:29, 6 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was delete. czar 10:00, 26 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Article's subject does not meet the criteria WP:MUS. Brownsc (talk) 02:19, 6 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Note: Repaired malformed nomination on behalf of another user. However, I'm expressing no formal opinion on the article's merits — as the original nominator the first time, I will say that I still don't see any substantive evidence that WP:NMUSIC has actually been met at all, but (a) my participation was canvassed, (b) there's some circumstantial evidence (username + prior edits — actually predating the existence of this article — to the same high school the topic attended) that the nominator may actually be the article subject himself, and (c) I'm not really all that interested in actually re-engaging with this, and so I'm staying out of it apart from fixing the discussion formatting. Bearcat (talk) 21:39, 8 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]
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Update: I note that this has still had no participation after two relists, and may be in danger of closing as no consensus. However, I wanted to point out that Brownsc, the original nominator, did confirm in a post to my talk page that he is the subject himself. Accordingly, under the circumstances I'm now recommending that this be deleted per WP:BIODEL, as an article about a low-profile individual who has personally requested deletion. Bearcat (talk) 15:37, 25 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was delete. JohnCD (talk) 15:59, 30 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]
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Delete: as utterly non-notable summer camp. Quis separabit? 18:51, 21 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was delete. (Borderline) G11 plus agreement here. BethNaught (talk) 10:19, 24 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Non notable business-man. References show that he has been given an award from a minor Deemed to be University and that he has given an interview to a local paper. Fails WP:GNGVelellaVelella Talk 08:42, 13 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Delete. No evidence of notability. Engleham (talk) 19:08, 18 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was delete. czar 10:03, 26 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]
This season is about a team not playing in a WP:FPL. We have long-standing consensus at AFD that only teams in fully professional leagues get season articles per WP:NSEASONS. All those refs look good; but they are all WP:ROUTINE coverage with many transfer announcements and the like. YellowDingo(talk) 15:02, 13 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was delete. Sandstein 16:00, 28 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Weak delete. There is a bit of negative coverage about one incident, but overall, I don't see what makes this pass the cited notability guideline.--Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 20:41, 6 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]
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Delete the only coverage are publicity pieces- not the same as independent coverage in reliable sources. Also, one minor controversy does not confer notability WP:ONEEVENT. ---Steve Quinn (talk) 04:43, 22 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Delete per above. Getting into the news once does not make a company notable. Bearian (talk) 19:41, 27 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was unmerge articles and redirect to disambig. czar 05:25, 1 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]
This page has existed for quite a while now but it has never been sourced. Doesn't assert significance and the only Google hits are weather forecasts. Eventhorizon51(talk) 19:04, 6 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]
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Hard to say if this is even a proper neighborhood. It seems to be part of the Beirut suburb of Biaquot. [20] Don't know if this is an actual population center. --Oakshade (talk) 02:25, 21 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Change to a disam page and handle as PJ suggests. DGG ( talk ) 21:15, 31 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was delete. czar 05:36, 1 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Article unsourced, otherwise fails WP:GNG. A Google search only provides either unrelated sources, unreliable sources, or Anthony's social media accounts. JudgeRM 18:15, 13 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]
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Delete fails WP:GNG/BIO. Could have been BIO/PRODed for no sources, but nothing wrong with AFD. Farmer Brown (talk) 23:49, 31 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was delete. MER-C 12:19, 30 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]
I have added her name in Chinese so you could google it and find out yourself she is absolutely notable!Most of the interviews and news on her are in Chinese, but it is not difficult to translate them with software.
I have also added 15+ evidents (most of them from official websites of academic societies) on her notability, please refer to them. Baikespwiki (talk) 01:14, 14 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Comment Since the bulk of the article consisted of reproduction of her (translated, I assume) poetry, I've put a copyvio mask on top of all of it and expect that some revision deletion will be done. Largoplazo (talk) 21:38, 17 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Delete The problem is that the article is confused gibberish. For example, claiming "Iki of Bashō, Wabi of Muramasa①" as an English translation is obviously bogus. And since nothing in the article corresponds to any indication of notability, it may as well be deleted, since the usable content is empty. Imaginatorium (talk) 09:39, 19 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]
(Followup comment) I have also so far found zero (0) references which are actually obviously third-party. The text claims "Her works in Chinese, English, Japanese, German and French...", but there is no evidence in English, Japanese, German, or French of these, and in fact this seems to mean more writing in Chinese, notionally being translations of something or other. Imaginatorium (talk) 16:35, 20 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]
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Delete non-notable poet. Even if she was notable, the article is so horribly written, I would reccomend a TNT and start over.John Pack Lambert (talk) 16:33, 23 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]
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Does not appear to meet WP:GNG or WP:PROF or WP:AUTHOR. Except for the first reference (a negative review), the references are primary sources showing that de Kozma has written a number of books, and that these are in libraries. But there is no evidence of notability. WP:AUTHOR calls for one of the following criteria to be met:
The person is regarded as an important figure or is widely cited by peers or successors.
The person is known for originating a significant new concept, theory, or technique.
The person has created or played a major role in co-creating a significant or well-known work or collective body of work. In addition, such work must have been the subject of an independent book or feature-length film or of multiple independent periodical articles or reviews.
The person's work (or works) either (a) has become a significant monument, (b) has been a substantial part of a significant exhibition, (c) has won significant critical attention, or (d) is represented within the permanent collections of several notable galleries or museums.
Simply having written a large number of books is not enough. Furthermore, the facts of de Kozma's life have no verifying references at all. "Former professor" could mean an adjunct who taught a single course. ubiquity (talk) 13:46, 20 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Delete. I'm not seeing how the subject meets the notability standards, either for authors or for academics. NewYorkActuary (talk) 12:23, 22 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Delete. Subject publishes under name of "Nicolas de Kun" but GS cites are very slender. Xxanthippe (talk) 23:08, 22 July 2016 (UTC).[reply]
Delete. One moderately well cited publication ("The mineral resources of Africa", 78 cites in Google scholar) but that's not enough. —David Eppstein (talk) 18:06, 23 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was delete. After completing a full review of all of the previous AFD closes, I think it is safe to say this is the first true deletion discussion to transpire thus far for this article. The only AFD in which anything remotely akin to a full discussion occurred was from just a month before I joined this site, nearly a decade ago. And, our policies have changed drastically since then. But, even so, some of the same concerns being brought up now had been presented at that time.
The initial and lasting concern has been that there are no sources providing the requisite evidence of notability; this concern is not misplaced. As at no point, in nearly ten years, have sources been presented to properly establish notability. Simply put: passing mentions, trivial coverage, and brief summaries do not qualify as significant coverage; the topic must be covered directly and in detail. Furthermore, the sources must be independent; primary sources cannot establish notability. However, the sources shown thus far do not appear to fulfill these requirements. After nearly ten years, that is disappointing.
In closing, the arguments presented for the deletion of this article are found to be backed by policy, specifically: WP:WEB, WP:N, WP:SIGCOV, and WP:RS. The arguments for retention, without the existence of any policy backed evidence to support their request, held no weight in the consideration of this close. Therefore, the subject of this article is found to lack the required notability for inclusion on this site. (Note: This close is held with prejudice against any recreation of this article, until the sourcing and notability issues are properly addressed.) — Coffee // have a cup // beans // 08:42, 3 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]
I know, I know. It's the ninth nomination and the article is listed at Wikipedia:Lamest edit wars. Hear me out. Of the eight previous nominations, only the second was a full discussion. The first was withdrawn after a perfunctory discussion, while numbers 3–8 (listed at right) were thrown out for various procedural reasons. The site was at the center of a major conduct dispute, both on- and off-wiki, which culminated in Wikipedia:Requests for arbitration/Railpage Australia. There hasn't been a true discussion about the notability of this topic since 2007.
I don't think the site meets our notability guidelines and I don't think the article establishes a claim to notability. While the lede claims that the site has been "quoted as a source in major state and national newspapers, as well as in government and private research publications", this amounts to a few links to the site sprinkled in to documents produced in the mid-2000s. None of these are about the site itself. Most of the information about the site is self-referenced, which cannot be used to establish notability. Most of the Google Scholar citations are false positives because of the similarity between "Railpage" and "Rail, page." In any event, citation of a source does not make that source notable. One source that does discuss the site in brief, by Roger Clarke, is apparently sourced to a userspace draft on Wikipedia itself. While the Parliament of Australia did include a link to Railpage in 2007 (see [21] and [22]), it does not do so any longer and the inclusion of a bare link without context does not, in my view, help establish a site's notability. What we're missing here is any kind of commentary or discussion about the site itself independent of the site.
In addition, the article had major COI issues from its inception. It was started by Bevans@omni.com.au (talk·contribs), probably the site's owner (or someone claiming to be him), and was heavily-edited by Dbromage (talk·contribs), apparently a major figure in the site's history. This wouldn't pass muster with Wikipedia:Conflict of interest today and it was shaky even in 2006–2007. Dbromage has since been banned for sockpuppetry in an unrelated matter.
Leaving aside all the problems with tone and self-sourced context, this topic fails WP:WEB. It probably failed WP:WEB in 2007 (and there were those who thought so) but standards were looser then and a truly disruptive conduct dispute clouded the issue. Thanks for reading this far, Mackensen(talk) 19:31, 10 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Speedy close WP:BEFORE C3 states, "If an article has issues try first raising your concerns on the article's talk page..." Looking at the talk page shows that this nominator has not engaged in discussion on the talk page of the article in an attempt to resolve his or her concerns, just as for this same reason there is no support on the talk page for an AfD. Unscintillating (talk) 13:25, 16 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]
That's not how AfD works; if you have a substantive comment this would be a good time to make it. Mackensen(talk) 15:39, 16 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Given that you want to discuss this, why did you not initiate discussion on the talk page? What about WP:BEFORE C4? Unscintillating (talk) 16:51, 16 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Feel free to suggest a merge target and content which you think could be merged. Mackensen(talk) 17:07, 16 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Those are content issues. As per WP:DEL, "The content issues should be discussed at the relevant talk page..." Also from WP:DEL, "Deletion discussions that are really unresolved content disputes may be closed by an uninvolved editor, and referred to the talk page..." which I would also support in addition to, or in conjunction with, a speedy close. Regards, Unscintillating (talk) 17:19, 16 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]
You're the one who raised C4, which talks about merges. I didn't talk about merges because I don't think the topic is notable. Quoting chapter-and-verse from WP:BEFORE doesn't change the fact that it's advisory, at best. Mackensen(talk) 17:24, 16 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]
WP:BEFORE begins, "Prior to nominating article(s) for deletion, please be sure to..." The editnotice refers every editor who posts at AfD to this text. Whether or not you think it is advisory, the community has politely asked to you do this. Unscintillating (talk) 18:49, 16 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]
I'm sorry, but these comments are nonsensical. I never said merges were irrelevant; I simply didn't propose one because I thought there was nothing to merge. Articles which fail to meet the relevant notability guideline may absolutely be deleted, as the very policy you quoted says: "Articles whose subjects fail to meet the relevant notability guideline (WP:N, WP:BIO, WP:MUSIC, WP:CORP and so forth)." I assert this article fails WP:WEB. Says so right in the nomination. Again, I invite your views on whether this article satisfies WP:WEB. Mackensen(talk) 19:45, 16 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Comment I would likely consider a relisting of this AfD without a rationale for so doing, to be an edit against consensus. Thank you, Unscintillating (talk) 13:25, 16 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Comment: TL;DR version of nomination: this is, at most, the third actual nomination and the first in nine years. The site fails WP:WEB. Mackensen(talk) 12:48, 20 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Delete, but preserve somewhere. This is a valuable piece of internet lore and should be preserved somewhere. Maybe http://www.railroad.net/ would be a good home? But (at least in its current form), it's not an encyclopedia article, and I'd be surprised if we could find the kind of WP:RS we need to make it one. There's a ton of references, but I don't see any which meet our needs. I looked at the first eight or so, and none of those were even close to what we want. Possibly there are better sources further down the list, but I'm not going to slog through the whole list of 42 (none with titles that stand out and grab me as being likely candidates) to see if there are any. It would be useful for this discussion if somebody could find the 2 or 3 best ones and list them here for easy review. -- RoySmith(talk) 13:56, 20 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Delete - without a doubt, fails WP:WEB. I hope we can finally kill this article, despite the fact it has had 9 unsuccessful nominations. There is a statement in the lead section that I would like to share: "It has been quoted as a source in major state and national newspapers, as well as in government and private research publications."[1] There is not a single source by this bold statement. I struggle to think of any rationale that warrants a "keep". -- ProgrammingGeek (Page! • Talk! • Contribs!) 14:28, 20 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Delete Fails WP:WEBCRIT. Most of the sources here are just references to the website itself. Omni Flames (talk) 22:25, 20 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Keep Backed up by independent/3rd party reliable sources. — Music1201talk 01:44, 21 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Um, no, it isn't. I did quite a lot of searching and found only passing references in some Australian broadcasters' websites. That's not coverage. ProgrammingGeek (Page! • Talk! • Contribs!) 08:22, 21 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]
@Andrew Davidson: Do you have specific examples from Google Books? I found two relevant hits, neither of which is about the site: [23][24]. Mackensen(talk) 12:32, 21 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]
There's a lot more than that but it's hard to make out the details because they are snippets. For example, Bulletin in 2003 "This Week's Top Links: Trainspotting www.railpage.org.au Australia's premier site for trainspotters and rail ..." Andrew D. (talk) 13:39, 21 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Delete I understand this is a part of web lore, but stuff like this is the reason Wikia exists. This fails WP:WEBCRIT. I do not see significant coverage about the website nor do I see how it has influenced culture or if it has won any awards. Interest websites are an important part of the web, but not every such website is notable enough to be on an encyclopaedia. From what I see, the website has been quoted (or used as a source) in a few publications, but no independent source has detailed coverage about the website itself. --Lemongirl942 (talk) 04:35, 22 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Comment: When I closed the DRV and relisted this AfD, I forgot that I was the AfD nominator in 2007, which has now been brought to my attention; I had no recollection of this article or the AfD. Sorry about that. I'll refrain from further comments or admin actions with respect to this AfD. Sandstein 09:36, 22 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Delete. Way back in 2007, I said "Keep", and this was the sort of page that would pass muster a decade ago. Our standards around sourcing have since got a lot stricter (and this is a good thing), but this page hasn't been able to keep pace with the community's expectations in that regard. Lankiveil(speak to me) 10:03, 22 July 2016 (UTC).[reply]
KeepNine nominations? On the web continuously since 1992. One of the first web pages served in Australia. Used as an official resource by museums, schools and government publications. All of these things scream notability to me. As noted by Mackensen in his overly long diatribe against this page, none of these are wikipedia's usual measures of significance. They are indicators of significance nonetheless. The fact that so many noms have struggled so very hard for ten years to even come up with a reason to delete this page tells me that they are mistaken. The Steve 12:31, 22 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]
The last nomination was in 2007. No one has nominated it since then. So essentially, this is the first nomination in 9 years. --Lemongirl942 (talk) 12:48, 22 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Based on policy, this page fails WP:WEB. ProgrammingGeek (Page! • Talk! • Contribs!) 14:15, 22 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Based on policy, this page passes WP:WEB - It has had a significant effect on culture (one of the earliest Australian community organizations to launch on the web [25]), geography (provided resources for Geoscience Australia to produce a railway map), and history (used as a source by the Victoria Museum). The Steve 05:51, 24 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]
How can something pass (or fail) a guideline "based on policy"? And which WP:WEB are you reading which says none of that stuff as actual criteria, but does give two actual criteria. "The content itself has been the subject of multiple non-trivial published works whose source is independent of the site itself..." and "The website or content has won a well-known and independent award from either a publication or organization" - do you have either of those? --82.14.37.32 (talk) 08:15, 24 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]
"When evaluating the notability of web content, please consider whether it has had any significant or demonstrable effects on culture, society, entertainment, athletics, economies, history, literature, science, or education." - Considered. Passed. Also, "These criteria are presented as rules of thumb...". I am not using the specified rules of thumb, but other indicators of significance. The Steve 14:18, 24 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Delete - Fails WP:NWEB. There are claims to notability, but it doesn't seem anybody, myself included, has been able to find anything approachin sufficient coverage on which to base an article. — Rhododendritestalk \\ 17:12, 24 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]
These were discussed above; none of them are about the site. Did you find any sources which discuss the site in any depth? Mackensen(talk) 20:03, 24 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Delete per WP:WEB, only sourcing appears to be brief mentions, nothing in-depth and reliable about the site itself. Andrew Lenahan - Starblind 08:46, 26 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Delete the subject simply doesn't pass WP:WEB, which allows two routes to demonstrating notability: the GNG route of significant coverage in third party reliable sources, or winning well known awards (which isn't claimed here). The third-party sources which are held up as evidence of notability boil down to places which mention, reference, quote or link to Railpage Australia. Actual coverage of the site in such sources is extremely slim. Aside from these we are left with numerous citations to the site itself (which isn't independent) and automated pages such as traffic stats or domain registration (which are virtually worthless). It does look like a determined effort has been made to present this as a notable topic, but there's very little to back that up. Hut 8.5 21:57, 28 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was speedy keep. I suggest waiting more than five days after the last AfD to start the next one. Also see WP:BEFORE. (non-admin closure) JudgeRM(talk to me) 23:37, 20 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Non-notable internet personality. Seems like self promotion more than anything, also no significant references present.
One of the references cited is a tweet - ""Jacob Sartorius on Twitter: "I'll be joining @MAGCONTOUR as a special guest! #MAGCONTalent 😊"". Twitter. January 20, 2016. Retrieved July 7, 2016." https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jacob_Sartorius#cite_ref-3
Speedy Keep. This article was kept at AfD five days ago, and the nominator doesn't appear to have gone through WP:BEFORE. Chubbles (talk) 08:11, 20 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Speedy Keep per above ProgrammingGeek (Page! • Talk! • Contribs!) 11:06, 20 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was delete. JohnCD (talk) 16:02, 30 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]
PROD contested, no reason given. No evidence of notability, no significant coverage required by WP:GNG, only one source which is WP:ROUTINE. GiantSnowman 07:00, 20 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]
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Delete All I can find is trivial coverage, but nothing that discusses the academy itself. Fails WP:CORPDEPTH. Schwede66 10:11, 20 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was Delete. Michig (talk) 07:36, 27 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]
DELETE: Sources confirm that he is a candidate, and 2 sources outline his positions. NOTE I've requested input here about the extent to which those position declaration interviews count towards GNG, as we're likely to see many similar in the next few months. CrowCaw 14:20, 20 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Since all candidates in any given election get offered those kinds of interviews or surveys to articulate their positions on the election issues, those don't assist in conferring notability as such. Bearcat (talk) 21:45, 24 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Delete Hafner is a candidate for a nomination. If he wins the election he will be notable, until then he is not.John Pack Lambert (talk) 14:18, 23 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Delete. Candidates in primaries do not get Wikipedia articles just for being candidates — if you cannot demonstrate and properly source that he was already notable enough for a Wikipedia article for some other reason before becoming a candidate, then he has to win the election, not just run in it, to become notable enough for a Wikipedia article on the basis of the election itself. But nothing here demonstrates that at all — the sourcing is purely WP:ROUTINE election coverage of the type that all candidates always get. Bearcat (talk) 21:45, 24 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was snow keep. The previous AfD closed as "keep" last week, why not improve the article instead of starting deletion debates you won't win? Ritchie333(talk)(cont) 11:29, 20 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]
No evidence of any independent notability. The daughter of a far-right politician, but notability is not inherited. Tataral (talk) 06:11, 20 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Note that I wasn't aware of previous deletion discussions, but I still think it's clear that a young student who happens to be the daughter of a candidate for a political office should absolutely not have a biographical article, and at best only a redirect to her father's biography. --Tataral (talk) 06:13, 20 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Look at readers' interest in the article (in the last 20 days). On average, some 5,000 to 10,000 readers have tried to get information about Tiffany Trump. On 19 July, the number topped 200,000. If interest is that high, information should not be denied to the reader. In other words, the article should not be deleted. --Lektor w (talk) 06:56, 20 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Interest is nice, but not the only reason to keep a page; Wikipedia pages exist because the subject is notable, not popular. 331dot (talk) 08:08, 20 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Keep. I think the fact she spoke at the Convention means there are probably enough RS to permit a page on her, and if she makes campaign appearances there will be further sources. I have also read that Donald Trump's kids are influential in his campaign so we may see sources on that as well. 331dot (talk) 08:08, 20 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]
I would add it has only been two weeks since the previous AfD and the reasons don't seem to have changed much. 331dot (talk) 08:09, 20 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Speedy procedural Keep and shame on Nom for this disruptive AFD, the previosu AFD closed as KEEP on 13 July. Appropriately as per: WP:INHERIT which explicitly states that: "Individuals in close, personal relationships with famous people (including politicians) can have an independent article even if they are known solely for such a relationship, but only if they pass WP:GNG." This girl is "known solely for" being the famous daughter of a famous man. She's famous for being famous. Since her dad got nominated for President, she's even more famous. Do I see a point to all this publicity? No, but that's me, I would also like to vote the Karsashians off the island. But I do recognize that - like the Kardashians - Tiffany is famous for being famous.E.M.Gregory (talk) 09:56, 20 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Keep The nominator is correct in saying that notability is not inherited; however, we cannot dismiss any coverage Tiffany Trump receives, on the grounds that she is Donald Trump's daughter. A fair number of the sources examine her as an individual, such as this, or this, or this. She meets GNG, in my view. Additionally, while I acknowledge that popularity and notability are not the same, it does rub me the wrong way to delete a page that has received 300,000 views (!) in the month of July alone. Finally, she is a speaker at the Republican National Convention; and while she is unlikely to have been there but for her father, the fact remains that she is a speaker at one of the two largest political events in the country. Vanamonde93 (talk) 10:32, 20 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was no consensus. Michig (talk) 07:34, 27 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Non-notable director. The one reference that was on the page didn't mention him at all. I can't find any significant coverage of him with a Google search. Appears to be a vanity page that lists a bunch of unverifiable credits. LAroboGuy (talk) 22:23, 27 June 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Keep - Broad (200+ results), if shallow, coverage of him pops up on google news. The articles aren't about HIM, as opposed to being about his work, or about an actor within his work, but the aggregate breadth seems sufficient to establish notability for me. Fieari (talk) 00:42, 28 June 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Forgive me if I'm ignorant of the requirements, because this is my first deletion nomination, but I used WP:DIRECTOR as a guideline before I submitted. There's four possibilities for notability there, and I don't believe he meets any of them: (1) He is not regarded as an important figure or is widely cited by peers or successors. (2) he did not originate a significant new concept, theory, or technique. (3) He did not play a major role in co-creating a significant or well-known work or collective body of work that was the subject of an independent book or feature-length film or of multiple independent periodical articles or reviews. (4) His work has not won significant critical attention, which is the only part of (4) that would be relevant. I didn't know that being briefly mentioned in 200+ Google results is an indication of notability in any Wikipedia notability guidelines. I could be wrong, so that's why I'm asking for feedback on this. LAroboGuy (talk) 03:21, 28 June 2016 (UTC)[reply]
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Hi LAroboGuy – WP:DIRECTOR is essentially a secondary notability guideline (SNG). The subject could qualify for an article despite not meeting the SNG if they meet primary notability guidelines such as WP:BASIC and WP:GNG. North America1000 05:23, 12 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Gotcha, thanks. I did notice the phrase ""Significant coverage" gets a lot of emphasis on both of those pages. I don't think this subject has received "Significant coverage" in any sources, reliable or otherwise. LAroboGuy (talk) 17:50, 12 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Draft instead as, yes, there are sources, but still not to the levels of convincing notability, the article is still actually questionable because of this, and I'm not seeing anything else to suggest substantially convincing. It's best therefore Drafted and improved if needed. SwisterTwistertalk 04:53, 20 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]
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Keep. This individual has received substantial coverage in news stories far before he was killed (his death, I presume, is the single event the nominator is referring to). For instance, [27], [28], [29], [30], and [31]. Honestly, you could find a lot more from this custom search. Please do follow WP:BEFORE when nominating something at AfD. Regards, Vanamonde93 (talk) 05:28, 20 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Delete this article on this guy since he doesn't deserve publicity, empathy or even any reference in history — Preceding unsigned comment added by 103.246.49.58 (talk) 12:05, 20 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Definately Keep. It clearly meets all the criteria of notability. His death, results in a major ongoing event that has achieved enough media attention worldwide. Having said that, subject of this article was also a leader of prominent organization. Please follow WP:BEFORE, before nominating an article at AfD. Nauriya (Rendezvous) 12:08, 20 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Keep per overwhelming evidence assembled and submitted by Vanamonde93. This is not a new article created in response to subject's death, but one which has existed since September 10, 2015. —Roman Spinner(talk)(contribs) 07:15, 20 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Keep per Vanamonde93's sources - in addition to the 40 already in the article. Arjayay (talk) 09:39, 20 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Keep To the nominator, notability has nothing to do with the quality of the person. Nwlaw63 (talk) 13:37, 20 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Keep To all the participants, i think nominator has some personal agenda or disliking towards this person. So please tell him that this platform is not for personal grudges. If logics, facts and criteria allows this person article then it will remain, regardless to someone likness. Please follow instruction and reasons before nominating an article for deletion.
As i assume and clearly looks that nominator deletion reason is completely based on his personal dislikeness.
So please end this discussion and state the verdict. Nauriya (Rendezvous) 22:14, 20 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Keep There is no doubts that this article's topic is not the matter in question here. It fulfills all of Wikipedia's requirements for notability. Rather than using the threat of deletion to move it toward a specific agenda, those concerned with it should engage in honest discussions, and if needed, third opinion and arbitration. Caballero/Historiador ⎌ 07:30, 22 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was Speedy Deleted. Hoax based on content from Rahat Indori. Creator blocked as a suspected sock. utcursch | talk 22:13, 21 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Non-notable, indirect copyright violation; dishonest attempt by creator to modify Rahat Indori to fit the subject. Compare the above article mentioned with Special:Permalink/730110940, where the creator removed the G12 afterwards and basically removed some parts and added some fake information. Probably should be speedily deleted on an IAR basis for the dishonest copying by creator. — Esquivalience (talk) 03:52, 20 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Delete as per nom. Should have been speedily deleted. David.moreno72 05:34, 20 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Speedy delete in accordance with WP:CSD#A7. The article contains no credible assertion of significance, it fails to reference any significant secondary coverage, and I was unable to find any significant secondary coverage. ~Amatulić (talk) 05:51, 20 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was delete. Sandstein 16:00, 28 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]
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Keep - Significant coverage (including Forbes, NBC Sports, CBS Sports, ESPN, etc.), arguably more than any previous draft. Bmf 051 (talk) 02:23, 20 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Keep Biggest coverage of any draft, you would have to delete all the other drafts that came before. My personal opinion the Article should have never been up for deletion. On a more humorous note, the links at the top of this AFD for searching shows more than enough sources and coverage to show notability. Chris "WarMachineWildThing" (talk) 02:27, 20 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Keep As per User:Oknazevad. This page represents a notable event particularly with the amount of press and news coverage that it has received from various media outlets, least of which was ESPN, Bleacher Report, CBS News and others. This page should NOT have been listed as a AFD. retched (talk) 02:37, 20 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Keep There was no reason for this page to even be considered for deletion as this had been talked for months. Plus WWE now has a link for the final selections so there was no reason for this to be considered for deletion. Nhajivandi (talk) 03:23, 20 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was Delete. Michig (talk) 07:28, 27 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]
probable AUTOBIO as created by User of same name. Highest level is junior Asia Pacific not world championships is not enough to satisfy WP:ATHLETE LibStar (talk) 13:39, 13 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]
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Sweep it away per nom. The Asia/Pacific region isn't exactly a hotbed of curling, and junior championships not the highest level. Clarityfiend (talk) 06:36, 20 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was redirect: whereas everybody agrees that notability has been not demonstrated at the moment, there is an obvious target for a redirect, which is always preferable to deletion.--Ymblanter (talk) 07:28, 28 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
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Delete The best I could find was this, which is not enough for notability. I only have a limited ability to search Dutch sources, so I am willing to be persuaded if somebody else finds something. Also, there is no corresponding Dutch page, which is not evidence, but suggestive. Vanamonde93 (talk) 05:46, 20 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was Procedural close (nac) The page in question has already been deleted under WP:CSD#G3. Vanamonde93 (talk) 05:39, 20 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was delete--Ymblanter (talk) 07:24, 28 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Delete Given the refs on the page and my (admittedly non-exhaustive) efforts to find other sources, I conclude that the subject is not, or at least not yet, notable. David in DC (talk) 18:52, 21 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Delete minor league player who isn't notable yet. Lepricavark (talk) 18:10, 23 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]
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