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The result was speedy keep per WP:SK#Applicability #1. The nominator has withdrawn the nomination and no one else recommended that the page be deleted. --Malcolmxl5 (talk) 21:23, 27 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]

List of Iranian painters[edit]

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Category:Iranian painters can serves this propuse much better and this doesn't seem provide much more information than that. –ebraminio^talk 23:02, 26 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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• Keep per WP:NOTDUP. We keep both lists and categories as complementary methods of indexing and navigating. Lists can also always be expanded with annotations (as many entries already are), and we must judge AFD content on its potential, not its current state. postdlf (talk) 01:44, 27 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep per postdlf. Nominator has not provided a valid rationale for deletion. Pburka (talk) 01:53, 27 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]

What the nominator has provided is largely irrelevant - "A procedural error made in a proposal or request is not grounds for rejecting that proposal or request." What is relevant is whether a rationale exists; though that does not seem to be the case here.--Anders Feder (talk) 02:22, 27 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]

The validity of a deletion rationale is a substantive issue, not a procedural one. A subsequent participant in this AFD may offer a deletion argument, but absent that no one's obligated to think one up. And we do speedy keep AFDs if the nomination is sufficiently flawed. postdlf (talk) 02:35, 27 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]

That isn't what I said, so not relevant. The point is: let's keep it about the article, not about the nominator and what red tape he has or has not successfully applied.--Anders Feder (talk) 02:51, 27 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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• Keep. No valid rationale for deletion. --Michig (talk) 06:29, 27 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep It undeniably provides more information than the category: unless you think dates, historical period, and media are all completely irrelevant to the study of art. I'd be curious to know if the proposer wants rid of List of Flemish painters or if there's something about Iranian artists that makes them peculiarly unsuited to list format. Colapeninsula (talk) 10:33, 27 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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• Keep per WP:NOTDUP relative to Category:Iranian painters. North America¹⁰⁰⁰ 14:33, 27 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]

I've resigned from the request, please close this –ebraminio^talk 16:23, 27 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. Drmies (talk) 20:02, 2 August 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Nikil Murugan[edit]

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Just a man with a job (marketing). Notability unclear as most of the content of the article is irrelevant and promo. The Banner talk 22:52, 26 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Earlier speedily removed under A7 under the title Nikkil and then recreated over the redirect. The Banner talk 01:11, 27 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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• Delete, for being a publicist dealing with and promoting notable others, is not in and of itself a particularly notable field. India Today may applaud his expertise by calling him the best public relations officer in South Indian cinema, but that is not itself a notable accolade. And the Filmibeat citation simply repeats that and shares more about his regular job as a P.R.O. Yes, he does get a lot written about him in multiple reliable sources, but his press coverage is entirely dependent upon what he has done for others as a job. The article is itself quite promotional and lacks neutrality. The A7 speedy was because it was thought the former article did not have a clear assertion of notability, but this one does include sourcing which makes such a claim. However, this AFD is best so as to have others offer input toward the reasonableness of the claim and whether or not it is a notability. Schmidt, ^{Michael Q.} 17:13, 27 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete- As per nomination and @MichaelQSchmidt:. — CutestPenguin^Hangout 14:26, 28 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete - Searches "Nikil Murugan" at News, Books and browser found nothing particularly good and this would be a good case of WP:TNT. SwisterTwister talk 18:04, 28 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was speedy keep per WP:SK#Applicability #1. The nominator has withdrawn the nomination and no one else recommended that the page be deleted. --Malcolmxl5 (talk) 21:29, 27 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]

List of caricaturists[edit]

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Category seems more suitable for this and fortunately it is available already: Category:Caricaturists –ebraminio^talk 22:43, 26 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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• Keep per WP:NOTDUP. This list also has been annotated with birth/death dates, and so is further proving its own merit. postdlf (talk) 01:53, 27 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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• Keep per User:Postdlf. We don't delete lists simply because they (partially) duplicate categories. --Michig (talk) 06:30, 27 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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• Keep per WP:NOTDUP relative to Category:Caricaturists. North America¹⁰⁰⁰ 14:37, 27 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]

I've resigned from the request, please close this –ebraminio^talk 16:23, 27 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. Drmies (talk) 20:02, 2 August 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Buguroo Offensive Security[edit]

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Fails WP:CORPDEPTH. This is a recreate of an article deleted at AFD in 2014. I went through every source, they are all brief mentions in sources that are not WP:RS, including product listings and announcements for training classes. Didn't find any WP:RS coverage in a search. Vrac (talk) 21:55, 26 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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• delete Buguroff. Andy Dingley (talk) 14:46, 27 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete and unless the article has noticeable improvement, it should probably stay deleted and maybe go to WP:AFC. My searches found nothing particularly good with this being the best. SwisterTwister talk 18:06, 28 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. Animalparty's interpretation of LISTN is broadly accepted, and the consensus to delete (in which BLP considerations play a part as well) is clear. Drmies (talk) 20:07, 2 August 2015 (UTC)[reply]

List of LSD users[edit]

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Hard to see what function if fills. It will never be exhaustive and falls under WP:Trivia -- CFCF 🍌 (email) 21:08, 26 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]

• delete as trivia. While many notable people have tried LSD (or have been arrested, or used marijuana, or eaten a corndog...), and some publications have commented on the affects LSD may have had on certain people's careers, the list of any old notable person who has tried LSD at least once in their life is indiscriminate, and I don't think "individual LSD users" is commonly and consistently discussed as a group or set by reliable sources, contra WP:LISTN (note: this and especially this do not appear to be reliable). Selective mention of some very noteworthy figures, whose use of LSD is commonly and consistently mentioned with regards to their persona, may plausibly be mentioned in History of lysergic acid diethylamide (many already are), or similar articles like Altered state of consciousness. But an open-ended list with nothing in common but a recreational choice is not a good list to maintain. --Animalparty! (talk) 23:39, 26 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete: per Animalparty. This article feels like a bad idea, an opportunity for trolls and libel. Is it sufficient to include Bill Gates on the list if he "implied" that he used it (WP editor's analysis) in an interview? Vrac (talk) 00:03, 27 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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• Delete, largely per Animalparty's reasoning, above. I really don't see any evidence that this satisfied WP:LISTN. That aside, there's a potential WP:BLP issue; from a BLP standard, I'm not at all certain that we should be deeming someone who has used a drug (often only once) as a "[drug] user" due to the specific connotations of that phrase. And, of course, should this be kept, inclusion in the list is controversial or negative material and demands the more stringent BLP sourcing threshold. Squeamish Ossifrage (talk) 13:53, 27 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep Many sources cited have presented the use of this drug as a noteworthy event in the lives of the people listed here. "List of LSD users" is a Wikipedia shorthand for saying "List of people whose LSD usage was noteworthy for inclusion in reliable sources about them", and if sources find this notable, then it seems reasonable to me that Wikipedia include it. Comparable Wikimedia content includes List of teetotalers, which is about people known for not using a drug, Thalidomide#Notable_people_affected, about people who took that drug, and Category:Cannabis activists.

Lists like this, if deleted from Wikipedia, could have a home on Wikidata. It might even be better there. I wish there were a way to better present lists like this as structured data on Wikidata. Blue Rasberry (talk) 20:55, 27 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]

The issue here isn't noteworthiness of LSD use to any particular person, but the concept of the list as a collective, coherent, group per WP:LISTN. The possibilities for creating lists, verified from scattered independent sources, are endless (e.g. List of marijuana users, List of filmmakers who cite Citizen Kane as an inspiration or Lists of people inspired to become lawyers by reading To Kill a Mockingbird). I see nothing wrong with including a few examples of notable LSD users in the articles mentioned above, but we need to have some discretion on stand-alone list topics, with or without BLP consideration. I have no comment on Wikidata, other than by contrast to note that Wikipedia is not a database, nor necessarily a repository for every verifiable factoid. --Animalparty! (talk) 18:24, 28 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Animalparty

Lists of LSD users have been created and published elsewhere. [1] [2] [3] I think that these sources are good enough to establish that a list of users of this drug already has coverage in pop culture, which is more than most lists on Wikipedia have.

A "List of marijuana" users might be too long - endlessly long lists are not appropriate for Wikipedia. The other two examples you give cannot be verified by reliable sources, or if there are sources which specifically say that those attributes are defining characteristics of a person, then I would support a list. Merely mentioning a piece of art as an inspiration may be too little, but if journalists narrated an especially close connection then that might be appropriate. Sometimes this is described as membership in a certain school or social circle of art.

Some of this is factoid material. Perhaps the article could be renamed and cut to "List of people known for LSD use", which would shorten the list to people who have reputation defining media coverage of their use of this drug. That would eliminate trivial coverage, and keep the list short and more clearly defined. In some of these cases it seems like the drug use was a fundamental characteristic of the person's life story.

Overall - I am not too sure, but there seems like a lot of information compiled from reliable sources here. Blue Rasberry (talk) 15:59, 29 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]

I agree with moving it to Wikidata, and we might not need to think about use for now. Eventually someone will go ahead and build the type of module you mentioned. Things are moving at a blistering pace over there. -- CFCF 🍌 (email) 16:58, 29 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]

• Delete. Useless, unencyclopedic compendium of trivia that holds no independent notability. North of Eden (talk) 00:34, 29 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete. Trivia and an unjustified intrusion into the lives of the people mentioned. Some of these admit to using the drug once, and others don't even know whether they took it or not. Cwmhiraeth (talk) 18:25, 30 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete: per Animalparty, much of this is 'maybe' anyhow.Pincrete (talk) 11:58, 2 August 2015 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete - Unencyclopedic list. Carrite (talk) 12:17, 2 August 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was keep. Drmies (talk) 20:40, 2 August 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Shashank Ketkar[edit]

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No sign of WP:N. ЖunalForYou ^☎️📝 15:59, 5 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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• Delete or redirect to his one show as my searches found no IMDb page or good sources for that matter aside from these links. No independent notability at this time. I would've said move entirely instead of also delete but as I've seen users restart the article again, this makes it vulnerable to BLP issues. SwisterTwister talk 22:35, 6 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]

• Keep: Evidently has various works on credit, despite IMDb not covering him. Meets WP:NACTOR. Have edited article accordingly and will add more as and when I find it. §§Dharmadhyaksha§§ {Talk / Edits} 13:06, 7 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]

• Delete, not noteworthy enough and reads like a CV. Kierzek (talk) 21:05, 26 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]

What not noteworthy? Plays lead roles in daily soaps and theatre and wins 3 awards for best performances. §§Dharmadhyaksha§§ {Talk / Edits} 07:05, 27 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]

• Comment: Lazy AfD this is being. Pinging editors who might not have seen the revised article @Kunalforyou and SwisterTwister:. §§Dharmadhyaksha§§ {Talk / Edits} 07:36, 31 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep - Appears to be sourced up well enough to pass GNG as it sits. Carrite (talk) 12:20, 2 August 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was no consensus. As Andy Dingley pointed out, no one has presented an argument that the subject of this article is not notable. The crux of the matter is whether the article's content itself, as it currently stands, is duplicative of, or would be better off in the context of the Yokosuka E5Y article. I see editors stating we should merge and others stating we should keep and expand -- but this is an editorial discussion that does not relate to deletion. I would encourage participants to continue the merge discussion on the appropriate talk pages per WP:MERGEPROP. (non-admin closure) Mz7 (talk) 02:55, 2 August 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Kawanishi E5K[edit]

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The article is inaccurate and very incomplete, apart from the fact that the Kawanishi aircraft were merely variants of the Yokosuka originalsand the Yokosuka E5Y articles covers the subject more accurately and more completely Petebutt (talk) 16:20, 11 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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• Keep the article uses a reliable source and the type was in service with the Imperial Japanese Navy so is notable enough for an article. It may be that the types are related but that should be a talk page or project discussion not a deletion. MilborneOne (talk) 18:01, 12 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep Article is sourced to a reliable ref, no valid reason given for deletion. If the two articles overlap then this should be described or even merged and redirected, but not deleted. - Ahunt (talk) 19:50, 12 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]
• Merge and redirect to Yokosuka E5Y, per Petebutt. This is a notable aircraft, no one is disputing that. It's interesting locally, as they illustrate the period of Japanese re-arming when they were building airframes but buying engines from Bristol. However we would give our readers a better article and better coverage if we kept coverage of this as a variant within one overall article. From what I can find, this was a licence-building exercise to the same design, had the same navy designation as Type 90-3 and had no significant differences recorded. Andy Dingley (talk) 15:16, 14 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]

• Merge to Yokosuka E5Y. Much of this short article is already covered in target article, and I agree with Andy Dingley that readers are better served by having the topics covered in one place. --Hobbes Goodyear (talk) 15:45, 1 August 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. While Michig's links establish that the band existed, no evidence is provided of decent coverage per GNG or notability otherwise via BAND. Drmies (talk) 20:41, 2 August 2015 (UTC)[reply]

The Movies (band)[edit]

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I couldn't establish that this meets WP:NBAND or WP:GNG. The claims to notability aren't backed up by the sources. Seems promotional, also. Has been tagged for notability for over 7 years, unresolved. Boleyn (talk) 17:14, 4 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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• Weak keep. As well as the Allmusic review cited in the article, I also found [4], [5], [6], [7]. Not totally convincing for an article but given the difficulty of searching for the band name not bad, and I suspect that there is more coverage out there. I'm not sure what the nominator thinks this article is promoting - I don't imagine anyone is going to go and buy records from a long-dead band simply because this article exists. --Michig (talk) 06:42, 5 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]
• Unfortunately delete as although there are a few sources, my searches found nothing else and it's not easy to search considering there's not much information. This has stayed here quietly since April 2008 and, with the new improvement, I would've almost said to draft/userfy, but unless someone wants it, that's a not a good option. Boleyn has had very good noms so I think the "promoting" is due to the unreferenced and extended information and someone may consider the initial creation as a "promotion". SwisterTwister talk 05:01, 7 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]

• Delete I am not convinced the references provided show notability. --kelapstick^(bainuu) 15:59, 28 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete --Malcolmxl5 (talk) 21:34, 27 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Steven A. LaChance[edit]

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This author has put out three books, none of which have received a large enough amount of coverage to where LaChance would merit his own article. The only two somewhat decent sources I've added to the article - the first one is only semi-usable since the article isn't about LaChance himself. Most of the sources out there are ones like this one, where he's quoted but isn't the focus of the article itself. There's some mild coverage for the paranormal group, but it all seems to be local and fairly sparse. I don't really think that he passes notability guidelines as a whole, even if we were to try to add in information about his group. Tokyogirl79 (｡◕‿◕｡) 08:34, 18 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]

• ...yeah, I'm not seeing notability here either. Delete. TomStar81 (Talk) 11:38, 18 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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• Delete Only two books in libraries, one held in 30, one in 1. No Kirkus reviews. I didn't check Booklist after that. I found a radio show interview [8], and an interview on St Louis' Fox station [9] (less than 3 minutes). I'm just not seeing author notability here. LaMona (talk) 23:00, 19 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]

• Yeah... if Kirkus didn't review him then it's unlikely the others did. Coast to Coast AM is considered WP:FRINGE so it's not usable, although it's wildly popular. Sad thing is, I ended up coming across this since I was looking to buy one of his books, the first one he put out, and then saw that he didn't pass NAUTHOR. Tokyogirl79 (｡◕‿◕｡) 12:47, 20 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]

• Delete, not notable. Kierzek (talk) 21:07, 26 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was keep. If only editors could spend as much time on other subjects as they do on every college's not-yet-played sport seasons. Clear consensus is to keep, since, well, every season in every sport is notable, it seems. Drmies (talk) 20:43, 2 August 2015 (UTC)[reply]

2015–16 Mississippi State Lady Bulldogs basketball team[edit]

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Delete per WP:CRYSTAL. Kevin12xd 02:15, 11 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Um, what? There are dozens and dozens of 2015-16 college basketball team articles already up. Keep. Jhn31 (talk) 02:19, 11 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/2015–16 Illinois Fighting Illini men's basketball team as a reference. This was several months ago. ALL 2015–16 articles are acceptable. Jhn31 (talk) 02:31, 11 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep - Though I don't believe that the mere existence of other 2015-16 articles is enough to justify keeping this, I can't say that this article alone should be deleted. I also don't agree with Jhn31's reasoning that the Illinois discussion applies here as that was for a men's team. There seems to be a consensus that all men's seasons now meet notability thresholds given the high level of national coverage that even small conferences now receive in this day and age. For better or worse, women's basketball does not receive this same level of coverage and notability beyond a very few programs (i.e. UConn) is not guaranteed from season to season. Bad teams, even in big conferences rarely receive significant, independent, non-routine coverage outside of a local level and may not need a season article. That being said, given that every single SEC team has an article from the 2014-15 season and none are being challenged on notability merits, I have no reason to challenge a 2016 SEC season article on such merits. Where the Illinois discussion does apply is that is is clearly no longer too soon for such an article. If this were to be a proxy discussion on notability thresholds for women's team season articles in general, I might vote differently, but clearly the lack of discussion means that this isn't the case, so keep. SCMatt33 (talk) 19:47, 21 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]

That is a very slippery Wikipedia:Systemic bias slope, differentiating equivalent men's from women's teams in notability. matt91486 (talk) 04:47, 28 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Keep - there's no real reason to delete this; preseason discussions of rosters and such are already in the media, and it will just be recreated in the next couple of months. matt91486 (talk) 04:45, 28 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete --Malcolmxl5 (talk) 21:56, 27 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]

James Presley[edit]

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Doesn't appear to meet WP:NMUSIC. Sources are either not about him (they're about Disneyland and never mention Presley by name) or are not independent (his website, sites selling his music, interviews, etc). Ahecht (TALK
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• Delete, not notable. Kierzek (talk) 21:09, 26 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete per Nom, whoever is adding refspam from Bangalore isn't helping this article any. Brianhe (talk) 05:08, 27 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete - fails WP:NMUSIC; lacks significant coverage by independent, reliable sources. Inks.LWC (talk) 07:14, 27 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. Drmies (talk) 20:43, 2 August 2015 (UTC)[reply]

2016 Gami Cup[edit]

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No sources, I suspect a WP:HOAX Müdigkeit (talk) 19:43, 26 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete - This seems more like a case of WP:CRYSTAL to me. Racer-Ωmegα 00:06, 27 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]

If you can find any sources that back up the claim that this actually exists...(and WP mirrors do not count)-then I might believe that this weird mix of international teams and national clubs actually plays in a cup.--Müdigkeit (talk) 06:52, 27 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]

@Müdigkeit: I could not find any sources other than Wikipedia itself, so it is most certainly obvious speculation. Racer-Ωmegα 21:43, 27 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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• Delete - no evidence of notability. GiantSnowman 09:12, 30 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete - If not a hoax then there is certainly no evidence of notability sufficient to justify a season article. Fenix down (talk) 09:19, 30 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. The AfD for this highly promotional article is notable because the keep voters, unfortunately, do not present a single valid policy-based reason to keep the article. What we have left, then, is a consensus of editors pointing out that there are no reliable sources to prove that the subject is notable by our standards. Drmies (talk) 20:49, 2 August 2015 (UTC)[reply]

NGO Nayi Umeed[edit]

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One eye-donation camp and a candle-light march for earthquake relief. Doesn't pass WP:ORG and WP:GNG. Last AfD was closed as no consensus. §§Dharmadhyaksha§§ {Talk / Edits} 11:32, 19 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]

COMMENT: I don't know enough about the subject in question to make a nomination, but I do notice this does not very well meet Wikipedia's standards. The gallery for example does not belong on Wikipedia. If this article is kept, it needs to be moved to Wikicommons. I also notice large parts of the article are not cited, or at least do not use in-line citations. If this article is kept or otherwise not entirely deleted, these issues need to be fixed. Cbrittain10 (talk|contribs) 21:11, 19 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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• Keep: Organization is obviously notable enough to have article, because there are 100s of such organization pages exists on Wikipedia Category:Non-governmental organisations based in India, Category:Non-profit organisations based in India. We can edit gallery of the article, otherwise I see no reason to delete this article. Last AfD was done just 6 months ago, was gone in favour of the article. --Human3015 knock knock • 02:07, 21 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Read WP:OSE and WP:CCC. §§Dharmadhyaksha§§ {Talk / Edits} 07:44, 21 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]

• Delete. Fails GNG and ORG. There are millions of NGOs in India and most of "em are not notable at all. This organization claims to be known for two events where lots of organizations already doing and are non-notable, in fact these two event does not bring this organization under-light or makes it notable. Wikipedia require significance coverage in reliable sources to establish notability. Note: Wikipedia itself is not a reliable source. This article appears to be more of a portfolio than an article as well as possibly copyvio. — CutestPenguin^Hangout 10:24, 23 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Keep. The article should not be deleted because it is notable for conducting social awareness programmes in colleges of Haryana. It is clear from the sources that it has conducted many such programmes so it should be edited or improved but not deleted because we have many articles on Wikipedia about NGO's working in a particular region and notable in those regions but not even heard of in other regions. Some users seem to don't know "what is notable in Haryana", They tried to delete Sanatan Dharma College for the same notability reasons. Owais Khursheed (Talk to me) 11:48, 24 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Yup! including Vivekananda Institute of Professional Studies, but knowledge comes slowly and not in one day. With time and from his or her mistakes one can learn a lot and should not be blamed like foolish. Wikipedia is governed by certain polices and standards where ones plea is not considered instead bring the sources in light so that it can be considered. — CutestPenguin^Hangout 14:46, 24 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Yawn!!! Keeping your personal philosophies aside, I still don't see how the subject is notable. No evidence is presented here or in article by editing it. §§Dharmadhyaksha§§ {Talk / Edits} 05:43, 29 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Keep This organisation is working for the welfare of society since 2013. Many programs and camps organised under this society. In Patna we are running a NO HORN CAMPAIGN with cooperation of patna police . Traffic S.P Pranatosh Kumar Das is with us in this campaign. This organisation is new but it notable in many part of india. So NGO NAYI UMEED article should not be deleted from wikipedia. Abh423 (Talk to me) 12:00, 30 July 2015 (UTC) — Abh423 (talk • contribs) has made few or no other edits outside this topic. Note: User:Abh423 is the creator of this article. Disclosure added per WP:AFDFORMAT.[reply]

Same reply as above. §§Dharmadhyaksha§§ {Talk / Edits} 05:11, 31 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]

• Delete - promo advert, trying to raise funds? No coverage in reliable sources to pass WP:ORGDEPTH. Kraxler (talk) 14:53, 2 August 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was keep. The consensus here is that the article does meet the notability guidelines. There has been some editing during the discussion to address the advertising concerns and it may need more. Davewild (talk) 17:24, 3 August 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Perion Network[edit]

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Essentially an advertisement. Direct promotional language: "The acquisition of MakeMeReach has enabled GrowMobile by Perion to expand its position as the industry’s most complete and comprehensive automated mobile marketing platform" ; "GrowMobile by Perion helps mobile marketers acquire and engage users"

Most of the references are press releases; the others are mentions. DGG ( talk ) 04:23, 11 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]

• Delete - same as for Perion Codefuel, press releases are not reliable sources.--Rpclod (talk) 04:41, 11 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep The promotional product blurbs and market-speak needs toning down, at which point this would be a useful and informative page re an important Israeli company. -- Vonfraginoff (talk) 12:55, 12 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete Per WP:TNT. There is not a sufficient amount of material worth keeping. If we remove all the press releases and promotion, there is no article left. CorporateM (Talk) 22:21, 12 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep - Definitely needs to remove superlatives and ridiculous claims, but its a publicly traded company, and a fairly big one at that, which I think meets notability. I'll try to edit it back to normal. If no one edits it, then yes, it should be Deleted, but--with edits--it should be Kept. --FeldBum (talk) 16:51, 13 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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• Keep only if it can be improved but if not, delete as generally my searches found nothing outstanding here, here and here. This doesn't interest me and the possibility of having to translate any Israeli to English is not a task for me (not a speaker). SwisterTwister talk 18:06, 14 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep This page has now been rewritten with new references. Nmwalsh (talk) 11:37, 18 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]

This is really confusing. I think you're talking about User:Nmwalsh/Codefuel, as proposed new content for this article, yes? There's also a DRV proposal at Wikipedia:Deletion review/Log/2015 July 22, which seems to be essentially a duplicate of this AfD. -- RoySmith (talk) 00:38, 24 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]

• Keep per the significant coverage in multiple independent reliable sources.
  1. Habib-Valdhorn, Shiri (2014-05-19). "Perion Networks files to raise NIS 350m on TASE". Globes. Archived from the original on 2015-07-26. Retrieved 2015-07-26.
  2. Habib-Valdhorn, Shiri (2015-04-08). "Perion asked to pay $5m more for SweetIM". Globes. Archived from the original on 2015-07-26. Retrieved 2015-07-26.
  3. Tsipori, Tali (2012-12-09). "Sweetpacks CEO: Sale to Perion not from lack of faith". Globes. Archived from the original on 2015-07-26. Retrieved 2015-07-26.

     The article notes:

     Perion, formerly Incredimail, grew as a developer of free apps (mostly smileys) for e-mail users. Over time, mostly through acquisitions, the company has expanded its products line in order to become a leader in the Internet consumer field. So far, Perion seems to be headed down the right road, and the acquisition of SweetPacks should boost the company's revenue to over $100 million next year.

  4. Butcher, Mike (2012-11-08). "Holy Emoticons Batman! — Perion Network Acquires SweetPacks For $41M". TechCrunch. Archived from the original on 2015-07-26. Retrieved 2015-07-26.
  5. Butcher, Mike (2013-09-16). "Conduit, Worth $1.4BN, Merges With Email Giant Perion (Worth $153M) To Take Its Place On NASDAQ". TechCrunch. Archived from the original on 2015-07-26. Retrieved 2015-07-26.
  6. Lunden, Ingrid (2015-02-11). "Perion Buys France's MakeMeReach For Up To $13M To Expand In Social Ads And Europe". TechCrunch. Archived from the original on 2015-07-26. Retrieved 2015-07-26.
  7. Lunden, Ingrid (2014-06-30). "Perion Buys Grow Mobile For Up To $42M To Build Out Its Marketing Business". TechCrunch. Archived from the original on 2015-07-26. Retrieved 2015-07-26.
  8. Shamah, David (2014-08-01). "Perion extends Microsoft deal, ups mobile business". The Times of Israel. Archived from the original on 2015-07-26. Retrieved 2015-07-26.
  9. Shamah, David (2015-02-12). "Perion moves closer to mobile ad tech with new acquisition". The Times of Israel. Archived from the original on 2015-07-26. Retrieved 2015-07-26.
  10. Shamah, David (2014-01-03). "Perion celebrates Conduit deal with free stock for all". The Times of Israel. Archived from the original on 2015-07-26. Retrieved 2015-07-26.
  11. Shamah, David (2014-06-30). "Israel's Perion buys US firm for up to $42 million". The Times of Israel. Archived from the original on 2015-07-26. Retrieved 2015-07-26.
  12. Coppola, Gabrielle; Kamau, Edith Waringa (2014-08-12). "Google's Hold on Perion Runs Deep in Stock's 41% Collapse". Bloomberg News. Archived from the original on 2015-07-26. Retrieved 2015-07-26.
  13. Coppola, Gabrielle (2015-01-12). "Perion Sinks Amid Speculation Google to Change Search Policy". Bloomberg News. Archived from the original on 2015-07-26. Retrieved 2015-07-26.
  There is sufficient coverage in reliable sources to allow Perion to pass Wikipedia:Notability#General notability guideline, which requires "significant coverage in reliable sources that are independent of the subject".

  Cunard (talk) 04:45, 26 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]

• Delete, self-promotion PR page; not notable. However, if consensus allows it to be kept, it still needs to be re-written in an WP:NPOV way so it does not come across in its present form of a promotional piece. Kierzek (talk) 21:11, 26 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]

• Your "delete" rationale, a "just not notable" vote, is not supported by Wikipedia:Notability#General notability guideline, which requires "significant coverage in reliable sources that are independent of the subject". Cunard (talk) 00:26, 27 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]

• Keep and copy edit. Meets WP:CORPDEPTH per available sources. North America¹⁰⁰⁰ 14:41, 27 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep Pity I can't add anything to Cunard's good rationale. Jo-Jo Eumerus (talk, contributions) 21:05, 28 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete. Looking over Cunard's list of sources, I can't escape the observation that they're all financial news. Stock movements, M&A activity, that sort of thing. All of which gets obligatory coverage in the financial press. I suppose this meets the letter of WP:CORP, but I'd still be much more impressed if there was coverage outside of the financial press. -- RoySmith (talk) 21:41, 28 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]

• Most media coverage about companies are "Stock movements, M&A activity, that sort of thing" since these are businesses. That's to be expected, and topics that meet this expectation are notable under the definition at Wikipedia:Notability#General notability.

  I also don't consider Globes, The Times of Israel, and TechCrunch to be the financial press.

  Source #8 ("Perion extends Microsoft deal, ups mobile business") is about a business deal and Perion's mobile business. Is this the kind of article (which is not about stock movements or mergers and acquisitions) you were seeking? Cunard (talk) 04:53, 29 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Well, since you call that specific article out as an example, I'm going to assume that's the one you consider the best source. Looking at it closely, it's obvious that it's just a warmed-over version of Perion's press release, issued the same day that was published. There's a little copyediting, and they added some quotes supplied by Perion's people. The way these things work is a company sends the press release to media outlets a few days before the stated release date, along with a statement, "embargoed until such-and-such date at so-and-so time". The company's PR people then make themselves available to answer questions and provide quotes as individual publications request them.

If you compare them paragraph by paragraph, the similarities become obvious (PR = Press Release, TI = Times of Israel)

PR: TEL AVIV, Israel & SAN FRANCISCO--(BUSINESS WIRE)-- Perion Network,
PR: Ltd. (NASDAQ: PERI) announced today that it has signed a 3 year
PR: agreement with Bing, extending its existing partnership, starting
PR: January 1, 2015 through December 31, 2017.

TI: Israel’s Perion Networks is extending its agreement
TI: with Microsoft’s Bing search service, meaning Bing will keep powering
TI: search in Perion products for desktop and mobile platforms. The deal,
TI: announced Friday, extends the partnership between the two companies at
TI: least through the end of 2017.

PR: Upon mutual agreement, the
PR: agreement may be renewed for 2018 as well. The agreement includes
PR: desktop and tablet distribution with limited exclusivity in the United
PR: States as well as mobile distribution.

TI: With the deal, Perion becomes Bing’s prime — and only — partner for
TI: search on desktops and tablets in the US, as well as mobile
TI: platforms.

PR: In addition to Bing and Google, the Company also has search
PR: distribution partnerships with Ask.com and Yahoo.

TI: Bing isn’t Perion’s only search partner. The company has deals with Yahoo
TI: and Ask.com, and for the past several years has had an arrangement
TI: with Google, as well

PR: In parallel, and in conjunction with the fact that revenues from
PR: Google are no longer material to Perion, the Company decided to
PR: exercise its right to opt-out of its ClientConnect agreement with
PR: Google as of August 31, 2014.

TI: though Perion said it would opt out of that agreement at the end
TI: of August, because “revenues from Google are no longer material to
TI: Perion.”  Last year Perion acquired Israeli company
TI: Conduit’s ClientConnect toolbar business for $660 million.

The bottom line is that this does not meet our definition of a reliable, independent source. It's OK for backing up specific facts, but because it's directly derived from a press release, it is not useful to establish notability. Anybody can type a company's name into a search bar and dig up a pile of pseudo-sources like this. What you need to be doing is applying some thought and discretion to figure out which are significant, independent, sources, and which are just routine press release rehashes. It's not hard. Look for a sentence that smells like a press release and copy-paste it into a search bar. Look at the results. Note that many of them with similar wording have the same publication date. Bingo. Words like "material" are often a tip-off, because that has specific meaning in the finance world.

Now that I've invested the effort to do this analysis, I'm upgrading my vague comment above to a clear delete.

Disclosures: I am a Google employee. In a previous job, I was (marginally) involved with a Conduit joint project. But, I'd never even heard of Perion until this AfD. -- RoySmith (talk) 13:20, 30 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]

• RoySmith, It does happen that businesses exist in one's own industry that one has never heard of. But the coverage is out there to show notability, it just is.E.M.Gregory (talk) 17:41, 30 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]

I didn't mean to imply that they weren't notable because I had never heard of them. I was just trying to frame the scope of any possible COI to my comments. -- RoySmith (talk) 18:06, 30 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]

The Times of Israel does independent research that goes far beyond that press release. It is unsurprising that some of the facts in the press release are in the news article. But there is plenty of information in the article that is not in the press release:

Perion had been chiefly a consumer-oriented software company. IncrediMail is a free program that provides backgrounds, emoticons, signatures, animations, and more for both POP and web mail accounts, and Smilebox lets users share personal media (photos, videos, music) and content types (greetings, invitations, slideshows, scrapbooks, photo albums, collages and more) via any sharing method (email, print, burn to DVD, post to Facebook, blog, Twitter or SMS). Other products include Photojoy, which converts photos into collages, puzzles and screensavers; Molto, a mobile email app, and instant messaging service SweetIM.

It is unclear how this topic can be non-notable. There are numerous strong sources that establish notability per Wikipedia:Notability#General notability guideline.

Cunard (talk) 02:22, 31 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]

• Keep per Cunard. North of Eden (talk) 02:20, 30 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep per Cunard.E.M.Gregory (talk) 17:41, 30 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep per Cunard. Arthistorian1977 (talk) 06:54, 3 August 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was no consensus. There is no consensus here on whether the article meets the notability guidelines. Davewild (talk) 17:25, 3 August 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Doug Baldwin (writer)[edit]

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I started to improve the article and, while it could stay like this with now added sources, I'm not sure if it meets the notability guidelines even in the slightest (unless the awards are somewhat significant). My searches (News, Books, browser, highbeam and thefreelibrary) found nothing else aside from some of the current sources and this. The name "Juliarb" may suggest someone connected to the subject started the article and it has not received ample improvement since then until today. SwisterTwister talk 06:36, 9 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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• The may be a keeper. I added some sources. He's a little hard to find because name searches lead to Doug Baldwin (American football).E.M.Gregory (talk) 14:11, 10 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]
• keep I do see why SisterTwister found few sources; he was never a major figure, and his work - only marginally notable even then - took place a decade or two ago. I have added a few reliable sources. To me, it looks like he probably slips past WP:CREATIVE as minor actor; minor playwright who got some reviews and attention from RS in his day. Plus sourced prizes for playwrighting.E.M.Gregory (talk) 14:35, 13 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]

• Delete EMGregory, I see what you mean about "slipping past" - if he's notable, it's by a hair. But I'm not getting to that side of notable. The only non-local recognition was that he was one of ten runners-up in one of ten categories for a fairly small Writer's Digest award. (Although they seem to call them all "First prizes" ;-)). [10] LaMona (talk) 01:19, 19 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]

• I meant that he is notable. Once I started to look at newspapers from the 80s, there were plenty of sources, of which I put only a couple onto the page. He was a stage actor in New York and region. Then went out to Hollywood for a few years IMDB here: [11] (I just linked his TV series characters - all minor roles - before settling down in Oregon. May be more notable as a minor actor than as a writer.E.M.Gregory (talk) 11:21, 28 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]
• keep It's not easy to list a lot of sources from 80s and 70s, but there is enough info to keep the article.Arthistorian1977 (talk) 06:53, 3 August 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. Drmies (talk) 21:22, 2 August 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Abigail Indire[edit]

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Probably non-notable. Only a few passing mentions in Google (incl. 1 book with 1-2 sentences). The article also contains non-neutral phrases and needs more sources (esp. for a BLP article). Notability is not inherited from her husband's political offices (some of the information is already copied in her husband's article). GermanJoe (talk) 19:28, 26 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]

The only source link seems to be broken unfortunately and is not archived, if anyone fluent in Google Books is able to fix it. GermanJoe (talk) 19:30, 26 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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• Delete Her main claim to notability is that she was one of 10 women to graduate from high school. the claim is they were the first 10 to do so in Kenya. Even if this is true it is not enough to establish notability. The rest is also all really about her husband.John Pack Lambert (talk) 06:06, 27 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete. My grandmother was the first girl to go to her high school. That's very common and not that special. Bearian (talk) 19:37, 28 July 2015 (UTC) A redirect might also work as a search term, to her husband's article at Filemon F. Indire. Bearian (talk) 19:41, 28 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was keep. Pity the AfD didn't decided whether the medal alone conferred notability: these are important matters. But consensus, buoyed by the sourcing added by Tomsulcer, is to keep. Drmies (talk) 21:25, 2 August 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Cheryl Heller[edit]

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I'm not entirely sure if she's notable (she may be somewhat well known and notable at her field) with my searches finding nothing particularly outstanding here, here, here and here. SwisterTwister talk 06:20, 12 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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• Weak delete. She appears to be a department chair at SVA [12] but that by itself is not enough for WP:PROF. But my opinion is weak because I'm not sure whether the AIGA Medal might be selective enough to confer notability. —David Eppstein (talk) 20:53, 14 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]
• Strong Keep. The AIGA Medal is automatic notability. It is the top award a designer can get, and is only given for lifetime achievement. --Theredproject (talk) 16:38, 15 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep receiver of the most distinguished award (AIGA medal) in the field of graphic design and visual communication is notable. Wikic¤l¤gy^{t@lk to M£} 18:06, 15 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]
• Comment The AIGA medal might be prestigious but 23 other individuals won the award in 2014 and we don't have articles on most of them. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 01:35, 19 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]

That is irrelevant. Articles are often created by individual who took the burden upon themselves. There are millions of notable people in the world who does not have article on Wikpedia and those that have it is by privilege. In fact Wikipedia only have articles on about 0.000001% of the total number of notable people in the world. Wikic¤l¤gy^{t@lk to M£} 05:42, 19 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]

• Delete - 24 people were awarded an AIGA medal in 2014 alone. This is not an exclusive award and if that what others are hanging notability on, it is not enough.--Rpclod (talk) 20:35, 19 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]

40 people were awarded an Oscar in April 2015, so that's an even less exclusive prize... Kraxler (talk) 18:16, 26 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]

• Keep Prominent advertising creative talent compared with David Ogilvy and Bill Bernbach in this account here with much coverage in the NY Times, elsewhere, plus great nonprofit work. In-depth independent reliable sources include this one, this one, this one. Plus she won awards and has had notable achievements and positions in the nonprofit world. Article upgraded as per WP:HEYMANN--Tomwsulcer (talk) 13:31, 23 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. Drmies (talk) 21:28, 2 August 2015 (UTC)[reply]

All or Nothing (band)[edit]

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I couldn't establish that they meet WP:NBAND or WP:GNG. Sending WP:APPNOTE to Joe Chill, Michig and Becky Sayles. Boleyn (talk) 18:48, 26 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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• Delete. Nothing found in reliable sources beyond what was identified in the first AfD. --Michig (talk) 06:35, 27 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]
• Unfortunately delete as sources have never been as good as they could be (not even minimal significant coverage) and my searches found none. SwisterTwister talk 18:12, 28 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was keep. (non-admin closure) Kraxler (talk) 15:27, 2 August 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Carmen Vázquez[edit]

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While I strongly admire her work, I'm not seeing a credible assertion of notability for this writer/activist. Orange Mike | Talk 18:23, 26 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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• Keep. The New York Times reports on her advocacy,[13][14] her papers are archived at Smith College,[15] and her writing is discussed in Finding Out: An Introduction to LGBT Studies. Pburka (talk) 20:41, 26 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep as an important leader in the LGBT and Latino/a communities. Sources are good enough. Bearian (talk) 20:02, 28 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep - While I don't find the two New York Times mentions noted by Pburka to be compelling, having named papers at a major university seems to me evidence enough that this individual is of sufficient importance to merit encyclopedic coverage. A platform speaker at the 2004 "March for Women's Lives," covered and preserved by C-SPAN is additional evidence that this is an activist of national stature. This being a fairly common Hispanic name makes this a tough one to search. Once I searched for the exact name + "LGBT" it became an easier task. THIS is biographical coverage of presumed reliability from the Woodhull Sexual Freedom Alliance. HERE is an interview with Dr. Vázquez from the journal Off Our Backs, part of JSTOR. It appears that Vázquez was part of the subject matter of the DISSERTATION For Love and for Justice: Narratives of Lesbian Activism (NYU, 2014). Her national prominence is also emphasized by her participation as part of a 4 person debate on the Changes of the Gay Rights Movement at The New School in 2002 LINK. This list is not exhaustive, and it is sufficient to indicate not just a pass of GNG, but a healthy pass of GNG. Pinging Orangemike to possibly reconsider his nomination in light of the existence of these and other available sources. Carrite (talk) 12:46, 2 August 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was redirect to Gang bang pornography#Gangbang 2000. This is her only claim to an achievement and it is a plausible search item. The subject fails WP:PORNBIO and WP:GNG can not be passed solely by in-trade publications. (non-admin closure) Kraxler (talk) 15:16, 2 August 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Sabrina Johnson[edit]

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Fails PORNBIO and GNG Spartaz ^Humbug! 15:53, 26 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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• Keep. Passes WP:GNG. AVN wrote several articles about her ([16], [17], [18], [19], [20], [21] & [22]) which cover her in the context of three different events (1. her "Gang Bang 2000" record, 2. being quarantined and testing negative for HIV after working with a performer who tested positive after their shoot, and 3. directing for Elegant Angel). Rebecca1990 (talk) 19:09, 26 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]

• Delete - Every single one of "Rebecca1990"'s links is to a press release, not an actual reliable source. Press releases do not count towards notability, per WP:GNG. Tarc (talk) 00:06, 27 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]

• What evidence do you have that they are press releases especially the one where she was quarantined and then tested negative for HIV? It's a bizarre reason to do one. Morbidthoughts (talk) 03:55, 27 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]

• Because "Adult Video News" is not an actual news site, but rather a trade magazine for the porn industry. We wouldn't...or certainly shouldn't, if it is going on...use a Billboard blurb about a band to establish the band's notability. Questionable sources should be avoided when determining notability, as their are not sufficiently independent of the subject. Tarc (talk) 01:34, 28 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]

• AVN is both an actual news site and a reliable source and none of the sources I provided are press releases. They have authors. Press releases do not have authors and are labeled as "company news" by AVN. And before you accuse me of being a publicist (like you always do in discussions) for Johnson, let me point out that she retired 13 years ago. Rebecca1990 (talk) 03:39, 28 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]

• AVN is not sufficiently independent from the subjects they cover, it does not meet the general notability guide; porn actors and porn "news" sites are one large circle jerk (pun intended) of self-promotion. Porn actors are held to the same standard that any other person's Wikipedia bio is held to, so, find solid reliable sources that cover these people, otherwise it heads to deletion. Tarc (talk) 04:21, 28 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]

• Tarc, do you hold the same opinion about a site like ESPN.com, which reports on the industry that they broadcast? I don't know if I agree with your analysis on Billboard even. Morbidthoughts (talk) 04:57, 28 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]

• Good point, but ESPN has a history of bias accusations, so I'd be leery of relying solely on it for sourcing a story, particularly a contentious one. Another analogy would be to consider NESN and its reporting on the Boston Red Sox and Boston Bruins, who own an 85% and 15% stake in the channel, respectively; too close to the source. If gangbanging her heart out to beat a record or being quarantined for an HIV scare were legitimate public interest stories, then surely one can find some other overage of them other than AVN? Usually when we quibble about thes esorts of links, they are at least to interviews that lend a semblance of notability by discussing the subject herself to a degree of depth, but with this person it's just "person appeared in this film", "person appeared with this porn actor", and so on. Perhaps we need a guideline like WP:GEOSCOPE, we'll call it WP:PORNSCOPE. In a nutshell; if a porn tartlet falls off the bed in the middle of a 10-way midget clown shoot and no reliable source is around to hear, did she make a sound? Tarc (talk) 12:45, 28 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]

• Keep as above. Subtropical-man talk
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• As usual, a vapid "vote". Tarc (talk) 01:34, 28 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]

• Merge and then Redirect to Gang_bang_pornography#Gangbang_2000 - Without doing a whole lot of research myself, the subject here appears to be most notable for a dubious attempt to break a gang bang record in the past. Guy1890 (talk) 04:10, 28 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete - Damnit if only looks could be grant a pass, Anyway Fails Pornbio & GNG - All those cites listed are press releases which in terms of WP are pretty shit!, Since I can't find bugger all If anyone can find something I'd keep but as it stands it'll have to be delete. –Davey2010^Talk 04:25, 2 August 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. Drmies (talk) 21:36, 2 August 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Alem Plakalo[edit]

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Contested PROD. Concern was Article about a footballer who fails WP:GNG and who has not played in a fully pro league. PROD was contested by the article's creator without providing a reason. Sir Sputnik (talk) 15:51, 26 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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• Delete - fails WP:GNG and WP:NFOOTBALL. GiantSnowman 15:58, 26 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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• Delete - Fails WP:NFOOTY as has not played senior international football nor played in a fully professional league. No indication that subject has garnered significant reliable coverage for any other achievements to satisfy GNG. Fenix down (talk) 07:54, 27 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. North America¹⁰⁰⁰ 20:15, 2 August 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Lexie Marie[edit]

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Fails PORNBIO and GNG Spartaz ^Humbug! 15:47, 26 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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• Delete - Passed on the last AfD on the laurels of "multiple nominations", which has since been removed as a passing criteria. Tarc (talk) 00:09, 27 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]

• Delete Fails WP:PORNBIO, WP:BIO, and WP:GNG. — Malik Shabazz ^Talk/_Stalk 02:40, 27 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]

* Weak Keep but definitely needs more reliable sources to add. Katerina dunaway (talk) 03:48, 28 July 2015 (UTC) — Katerina dunaway (talk • contribs) is a confirmed sockpuppet of Sofiamar (talk • contribs). [reply]

• That is not an actual reason to keep an article. AfDs are not votes; if you make bad arguments, your input will just be ignored when the discussion is closed. Tarc (talk) 04:14, 28 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]

• Delete. Fails PORNBIO with only award nominations. Fails GNG. Only significant coverage comes from Adult Video News. Search for additional RS coverage gets only quotes or passing mentions. • Gene93k (talk) 03:58, 28 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]

• Delete per the very accurate statements by Spartaz, Tarc, and Gene93k. The Big Bad Wolfowitz (aka Hullaballoo) (talk) 01:15, 31 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete - Not knocking it but not one editor provided a source in the prev AFD yet it apparently met GNG ... Well all the sources are Press releases so thus GNG isn't met, Fails PORNBIO & GNG. –Davey2010^Talk 04:29, 2 August 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. North America¹⁰⁰⁰ 20:13, 2 August 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Dominica Leoni[edit]

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Fails GNG and PORNBIO Spartaz ^Humbug! 15:46, 26 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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• Delete Fails WP:PORNBIO, WP:BIO, and WP:GNG. — Malik Shabazz ^Talk/_Stalk 02:42, 27 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete Does not meet the notability requirements of pornographic actors.John Pack Lambert (talk) 06:30, 27 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete per nom's accurate analysis. The Big Bad Wolfowitz (aka Hullaballoo) (talk) 01:13, 31 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete as unfortunately, sadly and regretfully fails PORNBIO & GNG. –Davey2010^Talk 04:31, 2 August 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. North America¹⁰⁰⁰ 20:11, 2 August 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Jessie Lee[edit]

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Fails PORNBIO and GNG and the only claim to fame is someone tried to crowd source funding of medical bills - not something that is ever likely to move out of BLP1E territory - if it even reaches that level of significance Spartaz ^Humbug! 15:45, 26 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]

• Delete per nom - Fails PORNBIO & GNG. –Davey2010^Talk 15:50, 26 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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Comment I created this as a redirect to Jessie Lee Elementary School, but there seems to have been edit warring going on and Rebecca1990 repeatedly created it as the existing article. Whatever is found about her notability, I think the dab (Jessie Lee (disambiguation)) should be moved to Jessie Lee. Sending WP:APPNOTE to Hullaballoo Wolfowitz. Boleyn (talk) 18:23, 26 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]

• Delete - Subject does not meet pornbio or WP:N. Tarc (talk) 00:11, 27 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]

• Delete Fails WP:PORNBIO, WP:BIO, and WP:GNG. — Malik Shabazz ^Talk/_Stalk 02:42, 27 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]

• Delete per nom's sound analysis and replace per Boleyn's well-taken suggestion. The Big Bad Wolfowitz (aka Hullaballoo) (talk) 01:05, 31 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was keep. (non-admin closure) Mz7 (talk) 02:16, 2 August 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Lycée Français Toronto[edit]

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Nominating for deletion, as the school does not satisfy WP:GNG, pr WP:ORG with the sources it currently has, and clicking through plenty of Google search results turned up nothing that established notability. I'd also like to, in advance, state that WP:SCHOOLOUTCOMES is a guideline, and WP:ORG, plus WP:GNG are what we need to use to establish notability. Grognard Extraordinaire Chess (talk) Ping when replying 15:17, 26 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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• Keep - Has high school component, notability assumed according to WP:COMMONOUTCOMES which means it is not necessary to try to make the subject pass WP:GNG.
• Even though schooloutcomes is technically a guideline and technically schools don't have automatic notability, the reality is that high school articles are generally kept on AFD and AFD discussions regarding comprehensive high schools (or multilevel schools including comprehensive high school portions) are pointless. It is much appreciated if people stop nominating most high schools for AFD. It wastes editors' time and energy that could be used for other tasks. Wikipedians have spoken: We want articles about high schools on the English Wikipedia.
• WhisperToMe (talk) 14:48, 28 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • Update: Roulmann-Murphy, Marjorie. "Au lycée français de Toronto, le meilleur des deux mondes" (Archive). L'Express. 25 August 2014. - Notability is assumed because it is assumed that sources like these exist. Think about it: LfT is a French international school in a major metropolitan area. Somebody's going to write about it somewhere, whether in Canada or France. WhisperToMe (talk) 14:57, 28 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Are you sure that that article is not affiliated with the school? It is in the "jobs" section of the newspaper, is very promotional, and then has a link "for more info" to the school's managing organization. It could be a promotional piece written by the school, because it sure looks like one. Grognard Extraordinaire Chess (talk) Ping when replying 17:49, 28 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]

@Chess: The author's name is "Marjorie Roulmann-Murphy" - I searched that name on Google http://ici.radio-canada.ca/regions/ontario/Radio/Equipe_yapas2matinspareils.shtml and I see an e-mail address for Radio Canada. The same woman wrote another article for L'Express http://lexpansion.lexpress.fr/actualite-economique/toronto-meilleur-en-gestion-qu-au-hockey_1443593.html so she doesn't look like an employee of the school. Also it seems like the portion of the article that is written by the school is in italics at the very end (before the "see more information"). WhisperToMe (talk) 19:15, 28 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]

• Keep as a secondary school per longstanding precedent and consensus. -- Necrothesp (talk) 18:55, 28 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep. While I would agree on deleting some very small, poorly cited, secondary schools, this one passes my standards. Bearian (talk) 19:33, 28 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]
• Withdraw, seems legit enough now that there are sources. Grognard Extraordinaire Chess (talk) Ping when replying 19:41, 28 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. To some extent the discussion hinges on the applicability of NLIST, but Toohoo's comment counters that, to the extent that they argue that this topic does not deserve to stand alone as an article, and claims that this fails NOTDIR support that argument. Drmies (talk) 21:36, 2 August 2015 (UTC)[reply]

List of websites using two-factor authentication[edit]

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Inherently incomplete and ever-changing list. Bikefridaywalter said it quite well, What's the point of this list? -- RoySmith (talk) 15:17, 26 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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• Keep - Wikipedia is inherently incomplete and ever-changing. This is a list with a clear, fairly standard inclusion criteria (notable websites and reliable sources which talk about their two-step verification) and which is a notable subject appropriate for a stand-alone list. There are plenty of lists of websites with two-factor verification/authentication out there to establish notability, for example. There's an argument for merging it into two-step authentication, I suppose, but the bigger subject isn't just about websites, and even if it were, the list is sufficiently long that it would merit spinning off anyway. — Rhododendrites ^talk \\ 16:44, 26 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]

• As an aside, and acknowledging this is not a good keep argument in its own right (hence being an aside), it's useful. There's a pretty clear consensus among reliable sources that enabling two-step verification on the websites you use most is beneficial from a security standpoint. That's why so many other publications publish lists like this and articles about individual sites' verification mechanisms. — Rhododendrites ^talk \\ 16:48, 26 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]
• One more thing: The quote in the nomination from Bikefridaywalter was about this version, when it was called two-step verification. That was the version I first saw, too. It was a mess of OR and weak sources and partly redundant to two-step authentication. I removed the garbage, moved the article to be a list, redirected the original title to two-step authentication, and added more reliable sources. It's not an ideal list, but it's an appropriate (i.e. keep-worthy) one that no longer suffers from OR, sourcing, or redundancy problems. I'm not saying that Bikefridaywalter would change his mind, but there's some context, anyway. — Rhododendrites ^talk \\ 17:00, 26 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]

• Merge to two-factor authentication or multi-factor authentication. This is trivial and fleeting information. Wikipedia is not a user's manual for the Internet. And the list is likely to grow to a ridiculous size as MFA becomes more widespread. When a particular website's use of MFA has been noted by secondary sources, e.g. a news article about Twitter adding it, that may be worth noting, and I would suggest merging only those entries of the list that have such sources. Toohool (talk) 01:53, 27 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]

• @Toohool: When a particular website's use of MFA has been noted by secondary sources, e.g. a news article about Twitter adding it, that may be worth noting - I would agree with a merge if it were only Google, FaceBook, and Dropbox, but there are a whole lot of sites covered by reliable sources. It's pretty easy to find sources for them, since every publication wants to tell its readers how to be safer. There were already several in the list and I just added a bunch more. That there are both news stories about individual services adding it as well as lists of sites that offer it establish notability, so I fail to see what policy-based reason there would be not to keep it. It could indeed be a relatively long list (which isn't a problem as long as we stick to those that are reliably sourced), so why would it be better for it to occupy a big portion of one of those other articles? — Rhododendrites ^talk \\ 04:10, 27 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]

The fact that information can be cited to a reliable source is not sufficient to justify its inclusion. Wikipedia is a summary, not a compilation of all human knowledge. To have a comprehensive article about multi-factor authentication, we don't have to list every known place it is used. It is probably enough to give just a few examples to show that it has been growing in popularity over time period X, and has been adopted by some of the most popular web sites. Toohool (talk) 08:18, 27 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]

• Delete This article falls squarely into WP:NOT, as has been stated above. --torri²(^talk/_contribs) 23:59, 27 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete. WP:NOTDIR. —Keφr 08:29, 1 August 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. Consensus is that the article does not meet the notability guidelines. Davewild (talk) 15:40, 2 August 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Eli Mansour[edit]

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Notability tag on this article for 5 years. I see some occasional reference to him in the US Jewish press, but nothing more than a note that he's speaking. No substantial secondary source coverage. Article was deleted in 2007 but recreated at some point after that. Can't speedy because I don't know if the content is the same. agtx 15:12, 26 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]

• Delete: sources in article certainly don't establish notability; coverage consists of announcements of speaking engagements. Vrac (talk) 15:45, 26 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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• Delete lacks indepth coverage to establish notability.John Pack Lambert (talk) 06:03, 27 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]

• Delete Does not meet general or academic-specific notability criteria Avi (talk) 17:52, 27 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep Aish HaTorah is a superbly well known platform for lectures, outreach, etc. in the Orthodox Jewish arena and having spoken for this group on numerous occasions, he is notable as a speaker within Orthodox Judaism. In depth coverage is not necessary to establish notability. DRosenbach ^{(Talk | Contribs)} 02:17, 28 July 2015 (UTC)'[reply]

  Aish is unquestionably notable, but not all of its speakers may be. Just being associated with a notable institution is not ipso facto proof of notability. Conflating the person for the institution only works when the metonymy is true (like "R' Avrohom Yehoshua's" or "R' Tzvi Kushelefsky's", when referring to the yeshivos that they head). Please see Wikipedia:Notability (academics)#Criteria. -- Avi (talk) 05:43, 28 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]

* Weak Keep But the article needs to be improved. Katerina dunaway (talk) 03:26, 28 July 2015 (UTC) — Katerina dunaway (talk • contribs) is a confirmed sockpuppet of Sofiamar (talk • contribs). [reply]

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The result was delete. Davewild (talk) 15:38, 2 August 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Faiz Rehman[edit]

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Non-notable figure. provided references are not reliable and independet thus not acceptable. Saqib (talk) 14:53, 26 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]

• Delete Meeting with the President of the United States, or being a correspodent for the various organizations he has worked for, are not enough on their own to make him notable.John Pack Lambert (talk) 15:16, 26 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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• Delete notability not established.  sami  ^talk 00:07, 1 August 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was Keep. Ricky81682 (talk) 01:43, 4 August 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Order of the Eagle of Georgia[edit]

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Non-notable faux order created by members of a self-appointed Royal House of Georgia. Significant sourcing only to that organization's website. No news hits, no Scholar hits, Google search dominated by Wiki mirrors and heraldry blogs. Fails the GNG going away, despite a blizzard of citations that don't actually discuss this "order" in more than a passing mention, if at all. I've nothing against self-proclaimed "nobles" of a non-existent "kingdom" declaring their right to award an honor defunct nearly a thousand years and getting fanboys running monarchist blogs to include capsule descriptions, but it's the moral equivalent of a WP:NFT violation.

This keeps getting recreated (and AfDed) every couple of years in various iterations, and at this point I think salting the name would be appropriate. Ravenswing 14:19, 26 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]

• Keep- various discussions were hold when the article was posted. And it was kept as there is no fantasy on the Order having its own article. This is not about giving our own criteria on this order, as User talk:Ravenswing is doing, but about giving encyclopedic content to elements that were not included into Wikipedia and are of proven general interests. The article has shown various references, and Mr. Ravenswing keeps on his steps, trying to get it deleted. That's not the WP:NFT violation, but more precisely the personal opinion of User talk:Ravenswing. In fact, any edtor can see the references that give elements to keep the article in the multiple references and sources part, where books, newspapers, official Chivalric Organisations, and, of course as it couldn't be different, the main page of the House of Bagration, as it is logical for the Order which is awarded by them to be there, provide enough references to endorse to keep the aticle. Alexeinikolayevichromanov (talk) 23:11, 27 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]

• Comment: Nice try, but no. Indeed, there are book and newspaper articles cited in the article -- but they do not mention the subject in the "significant detail" that the GNG requires. The Serrano reference doesn't talk about the Order, but about the legend that Christ's tunic was taken to Georgia. The Telegraph article doesn't mention the Order at all, but about the prospects of the monarchy being restored. The second Telegraph article doesn't mention the Order at all, but instead is about the death of the last Romanov to be born in Russia. The Times of London article doesn't mention the Order at all, but instead talks about recognition of the current head of the house. The Burkes Peerage citation doesn't mention the Order at all, but instead concerns the precise title the Bagrations claim.

  And so on and so forth. A careful look at this article shows that it's a rambling WP:COATRACK violation, full of facts about two holders who got married and how that purportedly bolstered interest in a constitutional monarchy, about a holder who is allegedly the most trusted man in Georgia, that Prince Jorge was invited to the most recent Spanish coronation, that the Patriarch of Georgia had called for the restoration of the monarchy. These do not pertain to the subject of this article, which is neither the Bagrations, the nation of Georgia, the ambitions of die-hard monarchists, or the blizzard of pretenders name-dropped through this article. That is indeed my personal opinion, but unlike Mr. Romanov's personal opinion, it's founded in Wikipedia guidelines and policies. Ravenswing 07:37, 28 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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• Comment: The articles you mention are intended to show the notability of the, after your words Non-notable faux order created by members of a self-appointed Royal House of Georgia.. The Royal House is thus, notable enough in Georgia and in the media to have enough fount of honour to keep the article. On the other hand, other and newer sources provide enough evidence to keep the article on wikipedia.

At first, the newly published Armorial of the Order of the Eagle of Georgia, newely added as a source to the article, where the Histry of the Order and the biographies of the current knights and ladies are carefully described. Link to the Editor: http://www.romeditors.com/producto/armorial-de-la-orden-del-aguila-de-georgia-y-la-tunica-inconsutil-de-nuestro-senor-jesucristo/. This book has its ISBN number and has been published by an independent Editor (Romeditors).

On the other hand, this book (http://www.librosdeheraldica.com/images/historia%20de%20la%20orden%20del%20aguila.jpg), which I own, published by the Spanish Heraldic Society, where the History of the Order is described by Fernando Agudo and José Maria Montells, two reputated authors on herladry and Orders in Spain, shows more evidence of the notablity of the Order of the Eagle of Georgia, what encourages it to be on wikipedia.

Finally, as you quoted some newspapers, I give you again an exlicit article from one of the most read newspapers in Spain, La Razón, where an event of the Order in Valencia is described, quoting the Order as an honourfull decoration (honroso galardón) and as the highest decoration of the Royal House (máxima condecoración de la casa real.). Here you can see the link: http://www.larazon.es/local/comunidad-valenciana/la-casa-real-de-georgia-entrega-sus-condecorac-BH2988047#.Ttt1KwXthLljf7h. Alexeinikolayevichromanov (talk) 14:53, 30 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]

• Comment I don't really know how serious this order is, so I'm neutral, but I listed this afd at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Heraldry and vexillology#Deletion notices Snowsuit Wearer (talk|contribs) 19:24, 29 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]

• Delete Fictional order issued by a non-royal house. Mukhranian nobles never had such order. Jaqeli 19:36, 29 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]

• Keep but improve: It is obvious that the Order of the Eagle exists and whether it is "legitimate" or not is a matter of opinion much like the status of the Order of St. Lazarus (which I personally think is not a valid order). Wikipedia is not a publisher of the truth but of information that can be verified. We know that the House of Mukhrani exists and based on their claim to a throne (regardless of whether one supports the claim or not) they have asserted that the Head of the House is a fount of honour and can legitimately confer honors. The particular one is listed by the ICOC as an "institution of chivalric character"[23], just after the Order of Saint Michael of the Wing. It is also listed on page 1847, Part 7 - Section 3 "Orders founded by royal claimants in exile" of the work World Orders of Knighthood and Merit by Guy Stair Sainty. Is it equivalent to the Order of the Garter? No, of course not. However, it is notable enough to be included in Wikipedia since it is usually the first place one looks at to find information on a subject. Perhaps a better solution would be to edit the article to provide criticism of the Order and offer an opposing view on the question of validity. --Kimon^talk 13:47, 30 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep but improve: If the ultimate order critic Guy Stair Sainty says that it is valid - then it is valid. Sainty would not hesitate to discredit any order he found lacking. Saint Vlad (talk) 03:42, 1 August 2015 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep but improve:This article currently acknowledges honestly that the Order has been recognised in varying degrees by different bodies according to different criteria which seems to be fair and open. Consequently, it seems that it is unfair and lacks transparency for some unknown personality within wiki to decide according to his/her own criteria that the article should be deleted. The fact is that the Order exists either as an association, private honour or full Order of Knighthood - and as it does exist there should be an article on it as otherwise we would be pretending that it does not exists. Ollamhnua (talk) 23:04, 3 August 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was merge to Biblical astronomy. There is a clear consensus to move/rename/merge this to/to/with Biblical astronomy (which in itself appears to be a redirect. I invited participating voters to make sure that this finds the proper spot. With thanks to all participants, including the nominator. Drmies (talk) 21:39, 2 August 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Biblical names of stars[edit]

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OK. this is an odd one. I deleted this article as a pretty much straight copy of this web page which has a copyright notice on it, but it was then pointed out to me that the web page itself is a transcript of the "Astronomy in the Bible" entry from The Catholic Encyclopedia of 1907, and is thus out of copyright. My issue is - is this a viable Wikipedia article? Is it a notable topic? And more of an issue, although it's from an encyclopedia, it reads like original research. The original only has a couple of citations (see the web page mentioned above), and the ones added to this article only serve to inform single sentences about a couple of stars, not the subject as a whole. Further, of course, it contains no research done on the subject since 1907, and is therefore over a century out of date. Thoughts? Black Kite (talk) 13:34, 26 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]

• Delete This is not really definite information, more like speculation of various people. A more promising possibility would be an article on Astronomy in the Bible, if good sources could be found. I expect they could be. Borock (talk) 14:02, 26 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]

"Astronomy in the Bible" now redirects to Biblical cosmology. I say change this and start a new article since they are not the same thing. Borock (talk) 14:05, 26 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]

• Keep Astronomers have written entire books about this such as Maunder's Astronomy of the Bible or Schiaparelli's Astronomy in the Old Testament. See the The International Standard Bible Encyclopedia for an extensive encyclopedic treatment. Andrew D. (talk) 15:26, 26 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]

• Yes, absolutely; I'm not saying that the concept is non-notable. There's probably a good article to be written on Biblical astronomy. However, does an article 99.5% copied from a 108-year-old text with practically no evidence to back it up (in other words, original research) make a viable article? My view is that it does not, and we'd be better off starting from scratch. Black Kite (talk) 20:46, 28 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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• Rename (over rdirect) to Biblical astronomy -- In the early days of Wikipedia a lot of articles were taken from out-of-copyright encyclopedias; indeed that was encouraged. That is not a case of WP:OR, it is a transcript of a WP:RS, though an old one. If there has been more recent research on the subject, that should of course be added. If we started again there would be a lot of work to do. BY all measn tag it for improvement, but do not delete it. We have an article on Biblical cosmology, but that is about concepts such as heaven and earth. Biblical astronomy redirects to that, but this AFD article is much more about that subject, and we should rename this article to that title (overwriting the redirect). There is already a "see also" hat-link to the cosmology article in the AFD article. "kosmos" and "astron" are both Greek works. The latter measn "star" the former "order", whence world or universe (probably becauae it was thought to be ordered). Peterkingiron (talk) 16:58, 29 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]
• Rename as Peterkingiron suggests. Snowsuit Wearer (talk|contribs) 19:27, 29 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep, and subsequently rename to Biblical astronomy. It is an interesting topic which certainly deserves coverage on Wikipedia. Merging to Biblical cosmology would not be proper, however, since cosmology is technically separate from astronomy. Therefore, Biblical astronomy should have an article of its own, and this one is a good start, but the title is somewhat inaccurate, as the article discusses not only stars but planets as well. There is also plenty of space for expansion, since, as mentioned by Andrew above me, there have been full books written about the topic of Biblical astronomy. (Rather conveniently, both of the books he listed appear to be in the public domain, so if someone could look over the books and use them to expand the article...) --Biblioworm 19:56, 30 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. Really only editor argues that there is sufficient in-depth sourcing, but there is no consensus (at all) that this is indeed so. Arguments along the lines of "we know it exists but it just hasn't been written about in depth" go to the heart of what GNG requires, but misses the central point of significant discussion, which excludes brief mentions. Drmies (talk) 22:07, 2 August 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Cubbies[edit]

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This informal school playground version of football certainly exists as a concept (I remember playing it at junior school back in the 80s) but it has never been the subject of any coverage by reliable sources and is therefore not notable (impressively, the article seems to have existed without any references at all for over 10 years). I briefly considered merging to Glossary of association football terms, but the countless alternate names for the game would render this pretty much impossible (not to mention the total lack of reliable sources to back it up), so deletion is probably best ChrisTheDude (talk) 20:43, 17 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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• Delete - This is no more than a neologism, with very few reliable sources. JMHamo (talk) 07:52, 18 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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• Delete - no indication of notability. GiantSnowman 09:47, 19 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep Universally-known form of playground football, clearly notable. @JMHamo and GiantSnowman: I have added numerous references to the article. Number 57 18:47, 19 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]

I can't see the offline sources, but the online ones contain only the most cursory mentions of the game, for example the only mention in the Danny Webber article is "As a boy, he grew up playing ‘Wembley doubles’ with his friends in the street, dreaming of the day he would play for club or country at the most iconic stadium of all." There's not even anything to indicate what the game actually is............ -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 07:13, 20 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]

You can see the entry in the Football Book here. Here's the explanation in the Imlach book. I'm sure there is more coverage out there, but because "Wembley" (which seems to be the most common term) is widely used for other things, it's quite difficult to identify sources. I did find a relatively detailed explanation of the rules in a fictional novel, but I don't think that would be allowed as a source (although it does help show how well known it is). Number 57 08:57, 20 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]

• Delete - yes, references have been added, but these are just references highlighting mentions of the game by name or variants thereof. I'm not seeing any significant coverage of the game itself. Fenix down (talk) 12:50, 20 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • @Fenix down: Did you look at the two references directly above? They are not mentions of the game, but an explanation of what it is. Number 57 13:37, 20 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Sorry, I overlooked them. However, having had a read, the first one is a 29-word writeup outlining the game in a side box adjacent to a section on street football in general and the second is at best a paragraph on the version of the game, which does little but explain what it is. I don't think either of them are significant enough to support GNG. Fenix down (talk) 14:00, 20 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]

I'm really struggling to understand how other editors believe something that most people who have played football will have played at some time or other does not pass GNG – this is not a game specific to a single school (like the Eton wall game or the Eton field game) but something that is played almost everywhere under different names. Number 57 14:10, 20 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Because it doesn't matter whether we've all played it, it doesn't matter what you or I know about the version of the game, that is just indicates it exists. What matters is has the variant received significant reliable coverage to satisfy GNG. I don't see anything presented that goes beyond a brief outline of what the game is. To compare to either of the Eton specific games is erroneous. It is their idiosyncrasies which has led to significant coverage outside of primary (i.e. Eton-related) sources. The fact that Cubbies has no clear rule structure, bar the presence of people and a ball makes it much less likely to pass GNG because it is so vague a construct. There is little more to cubbies than just Random kickabout in the park but we don't have that as an article because it just to vague. The fact that it would be almost impossible to pin down a name for this variant is another major alarm bell, that this is simply to nebulous (or at best to freeform) a variant to pin down via GNG. Fenix down (talk) 14:34, 20 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]

But there are quite clear rules, with a few variations, as outlined in the article. Number 57 14:58, 20 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Not really, there's no hard and fast rule on the number of players, whether its individuals or teams, the length of a game, the number goals to progress. Is headers and volleys a separate game or not? Do you progress to the next round if you score x goals, or do you go in goal yourself? I don't think that the one source you have cited for the "rules" can be used to state bojectively that "these are the rules that are followed in general whenever this game is played. The format section of the article kind of highlights this. Fenix down (talk) 15:30, 20 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Yes really: The number of players and goals required are the variations mentioned. The game is not timed, so there isn't a length. If you've scored enough goals, you sit out until the next round ("once a player scores, they sit out the rest of that round"). These are all quite clearly stated in the article. Number 57 15:43, 20 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Really not. Who says you have to score once or twice? How many on team? How many players in total? how long is a game? This is simply not stated clearly in the article, and I fear the reason for this is that it is not stated clearly anywhere. any number of people can play this game for any length of time in any configuration for as many goals as they want. There is no getting away from that fact that this is a name for a glorified kickabout. Regardless of the point of the rules, where is the significant coverage of the game itself such as its wider popularity, its impact on football in general, etc? Fenix down (talk) 17:14, 20 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]

I can only conclude that you haven't actually read the article. Who says you have to score once or twice? "pre-determined number of goals"; How many on team? "players playing individually or in pairs". how long is a game? "The player failing to score in each round is eliminated until there is a winner." If you want an article on a football variation with no rules, see medieval football. Number 57 21:18, 20 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]

OK, let's agree to disagree on this, we obviously have very different views about what constitutes vagueness. It's not really the issue though as I have asked several times, where is the significant coverage of the variant? All this article shows is that the game exists, and basically you can have as many people playing for however long you want. Where is the coverage of the impact of this variant? Where is the coverage of how it has influenced the wider game of football? Where is the coverage of any attempt to organise this variant into a level of competition elevating it above an informal kickabout? I just don't see anything approaching that in the article. Fenix down (talk) 21:39, 20 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Fenix the rules are quite specific. There can be any number of players. Play continues, with players being eliminated one by one until there is one winner. Those are specific rules. Notability does not depend on this game having an impact on the senior game nor on the existence of a formal competition. It has a fixed set of rules that are widely used in informal kickabouts. That is enough. filceolaire (talk) 00:28, 1 August 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Number please add the reference in the novel that you found - put it in a "In popular culture" section. filceolaire (talk) 00:28, 1 August 2015 (UTC)[reply]

• Comment - given that sources have been found that prove that the game exists and give a very brief outline of what it is (the crucial element missing from what I'd found), is there an article to which a brief description could be merged (I still don't think it merits its own article)? I found Variants of association football, but that consists solely of a wikilinkfarm (or whatever the correct term is) to standalone articles -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 13:03, 20 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Comment - Maybe here? I'm not sure though, but it does have a link to futsal, so why not to other variants? I'm happy with a merge if that's the consensus. Fenix down (talk) 14:03, 20 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]

• Comment - I would now be happy to support merging a small amount of reliably sourced content into Glossary of association football terms. As far as I can see this would have to be under the cubbies/cuppies names, as those are the only names which reliable sources specifically attach to this game. The sources in the article for names like "knockout Wembley" are only to pieces which drop the names but don't actually define them, thus we can't reliably source that they relate to the same game and it is OR to assume they do..... -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 07:13, 21 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]

• Keep I've never heard of this, but the article gives a pretty good picture of what it's all about. The references do show that it is recognized, at least. The article is not up to WP ideal standards but I don't think there's anything bad about it. Kitfoxxe (talk) 14:24, 26 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]

• Comment - This argument seems to be little more than WP:ILIKEIT. Are you able to provide any sources that discuss the game beyond a basic explanation of rules that would show significant coverage per GNG? Fenix down (talk) 07:47, 27 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]

• Keep. There are sources that show it exists and is widely known. That is enough to make it notable. It is not something someone made up yesterday. It appears to be true that respectable sources have not paid a lot of attention to this and normally this is, I agree, reason enough to delete an article but I think that including this article does make wikipedia a better encyclopedia so I think it should be kept under WP:IAR. Lets start creating some common outcomes for widespread childrens games. filceolaire (talk) 16:01, 26 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]

• Comment - I'm confused by what you are saying, first you use WP:ITEXISTS as an argument for keeping, then explicitly state that there is not very much on the subject in reliable sources. Can you explain how IAR should be used to ignore GNG. I think this sets a worrying precedent. I do not doubt the game exists and have played it myself. What I do doubt is what you note, that there simply are not the sources out there that discuss this variant of football in any real detail. Fenix down (talk) 07:47, 27 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Fenix down I don't just claim it exists; I claim that it is widespread over the world and is played as widely as association football. Being played all over makes it notable even if it doesn't meet GNG. Documenting popular children's games which have been neglected by 'reliable sources' is, I believe, something that will serve wikipedia's readers and make the encyclopedia better and so we should IAR and do it.

On the other hand List of traditional children's games does list a large number of articles about children's games which do seem to pass GNG with little more in the way of sources than those which have now been added to this article. I believe that with these added sources the article can now pass GNG. filceolaire (talk) 00:28, 1 August 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was Speedy keep. Nomination withdrawn. Wikic¤l¤gy^{t@lk to M£} 15:04, 28 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Tenma Shibuya[edit]

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Subject of the article fails WP:NACTOR. Subject of the article fails the primary inclusion criteria. No significant coverages in multiple independent reliable sources to establish its notability. Wikic¤l¤gy^{t@lk to M£} 09:56, 26 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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• Comment I was the one to first place the notability tag, not because I did not think he was notable, but because I didn't see the evidence yet. The only decent article I can find on the web in Japanese is this: [24]. There does seem to be more in Chinese, however: [25], [26], [27], [28], [29], [30], [31], etc. But I don't know Chinese, so I want to wait for input from someone who knows Chinese and can judge whether these are significant RS or not. Michitaro (talk) 01:59, 27 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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• Keep - Unfortunately all of the given sources are reliable. More sources can be found through a baidu news search.--Antigng (talk) 09:30, 27 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep/TNT Current ENWP version only cites from other Chinese wikis like Baidu Baike, but reliable entertainment-press sources are not rare to pass WP:ENT, including on Kano (film) [32][33], this recently aired TV drama [34] and rather promising upcoming coverage with this upcoming movie [35][36][37]. 野狼院ひさし u/t/c 15:46, 27 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]

 Comment: I hereby withdraw my nomination to Keep the article since notability has been established. I'm closing this debate to prevent a waste of time of other editors. Wikic¤l¤gy^{t@lk to M£} 15:04, 28 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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