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The result was delete. Sr13 03:13, 7 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Miguel Luis Tamargo-Bautista[edit]

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Non-notable attorney related to marginally notable people. Corvus cornix 23:47, 2 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Abogado-Notario (Attorney- Notary)is a specialized position in the legal field. It requires more years of training and they are held by very few persons for a specific geografical area. Mr. Tamargo was the only Abagado-Notario for Matanzas for over 20 years.. In addition his family was one of the most socially prominent family of Matanzas. As you enter the Cemetery of Matanzas his large family crypt is the first one on the left hand side. His uncle from pre 1900- 1930's owned the only clinic in all of Matanzas. And the family summer estate " La Quinta of Bellamar" was the the largest home on the Bay of Matanzas (the living room of the home is now the Church of Sacred Heart, his daughter having sold it in 1956 to the Catholic Church).Callelinea 04:34, 30 June 2007 (UTC)
I will be traveling to Cuba from August 10-31, 2007 and hope to come back with more infomation on Mr. Tamargo and his family. Callelinea 05:11, 30 June 2007 (UTC)Retrieved from "http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Miguel_Luis_Tamargo-Bautista"
Comment: interesting that the only contribution 74.242.184.198 has done is to vote on my six articles up for AfD.. Like I have stated something fishy is going on.Callelinea 04:48, 3 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]
That is why I am going to Cuba in August in August.Callelinea 12:58, 3 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was delete. Bucketsofg 20:35, 6 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Geoffrey McCabe[edit]

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Possible non notable person, asserts some notability but gives, but provides no sources. Notability tag has been up for 8 months. Daniel J. Leivick 23:39, 2 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. To Callelinea- Bring the article to deletion review after you find references in your trip to Cuba (but even then, the subject might not have sufficient notability). Sr13 04:07, 7 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Alonso R. del Portillo[edit]

Alonso R. del Portillo (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD)

Non-notable former Congressional aide and current genealogist related to marginally notable people. Corvus cornix 23:36, 2 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Comment: interesting that the only contribution 74.242.184.198 has done is to vote on my six articles up for AfD.. Like I have stated something fishy is going on.Callelinea 04:48, 3 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Comment There is a template provided for pointing out apparent single-purpose accounts, ((spa)). --Dhartung | Talk 10:12, 3 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]
You see nothing fishy about the only reason he gives is not notable, nor do you aee anything fishy that his IP address was created and only used to comment on these six articles for delitions? what would make you think it would be fishy? can you be that dense?Callelinea 13:04, 3 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]
WP:NPA. Corvus cornix 16:44, 3 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Seeing how no one has explained to me why a IP address that is created just to vote on these six articles is not fishy.. I mearly asked what was a definition as to what would be considered fishy? But you are right he and others are not dense, just commenting on a subject matter without reading what I have written. Not to worry.. I will be placing all my articles for AfD and then I will not have to go through this process any more. I do feel it being motivated by some reasons that are not being spoken. Callelinea 16:54, 3 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]
It is worth noting that Callelinea nominated every single article I have created, for deletion. The AfDs were speedy closed and Callelinea was blocked for one hour for disruption. Corvus cornix 18:54, 3 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]
First off that is a lie.. I only nominated those articles by you that I felt merited deletion. And once this blows over I will re-nominated them or I will have someone else nominate them. Some of those articles had no independent sources. One was about a small town in France that nothing notable ever occured in it.. I do not think they are notable and If brought to discussion I believe it will be proven that they are not notable.. Yes I was blocked, but I feel it was unfairly done. And have told the person that blocked me my reasons for it. Callelinea 20:42, 3 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Which, I have told you, are not duping anybody. Circeus 22:46, 3 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Ah, yes, how could I have been mistaken? You nominated every article I ever created except for one. Just get over it and move on, all right? Like I said before, I didn't nominate every article you ever created, just those genealogical articles which make no claims of notability. And please note that the AfD discussions are almost universally supporting my contention. And that ship has sailed, it has already been established by overwhelming consensus that every place in the world is notable. Corvus cornix 22:41, 3 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]
I was not meaning to dupe anyone. If you bothered to read the articles and my reasoning for nominating them you would see that they merited discussion for deletian. But since you all assumed that I can not see further then my own AfD that it would cloud my judgement as to poorly written and sourced articles.Callelinea 02:10, 4 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Your articles are not at issue here. Mine are.. Yours will get their judgement in the future.. And I only put 5 of your seven articles up for deletion.. The other 2 were fine. You proved notability and they had sources.. But your other five are lacking. Callelinea 04:08, 4 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Whatever. I'm sure when you decide to re-violate WP:POINT by nominating all of my articles again, you'll be blocked by another admin. I have nothing further to say on this subject. Keep up the disruptive behavior and you'll just cut your own throat. Corvus cornix 04:44, 4 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]
So even if everything in the article is true, even though it is sourced with books and articles, the subject is not notable? sorry now I am sure its a witch-hunt.Callelinea 13:06, 3 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Have you even read WP:N and WP:BIO? Corvus cornix 16:46, 3 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]
I take the AfD of any of the articles I created personally. It take away my time to work on new articles or of improving articles. I create articles that usally have something to do with Cuba, Cubans, and Cuban-Americans, something which I know lots about. Callelinea 18:47, 6 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]
I think in the interest in full disclosure, myself and other involved editors would appreciate if Callelinea could either confirm or deny that they are or are related to any of the articles in question. While it is not required, I think it would be in the interest of good faith and intellectual integrity. --Daniel J. Leivick 18:54, 6 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Daniel if someone as yourself had asked that question at the begining of this process I would of been happy to answer that question.. But during this process I have felt that there has been a lack of good faith and intellectual integrity in the part of a few of the editors. So I will decline to answer your question and allow these articles to be deleted based on what you "editors" feel is fair. Callelinea 19:09, 6 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was delete. Sr13 05:19, 7 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Alonso del Portillo-del Junco[edit]

Alonso del Portillo-del Junco (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD)

Non-notable person related to notable people. Corvus cornix 23:34, 2 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Comment: interesting that the only contribution 74.242.184.198 has done is to vote on my six articles up for AfD.. Like I have stated something fishy is going on.Callelinea 04:48, 3 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Reply - don't worry. We tend to disregard special purpose accounts. Rklawton 14:15, 3 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]
That is why I am going to Cuba in August to find more sources. Callelinea 12:57, 3 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was delete. To Callelinea- Bring the article to deletion review after you find references in your trip to Cuba (but even then, the subject might not have sufficient notability). Sr13 03:38, 7 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Vinagre Portillo[edit]

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Non-notable vinegar factory owned by a person who is also not notable but is related to people who are noted. Corvus cornix 23:32, 2 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Comment: interesting that the only contribution 74.242.184.198 has done is to vote on my six articles up for AfD.. Like I have stated something fishy is going on.Callelinea 04:48, 3 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]
That is the reason I am goig to Cuba in August to find out more info on the subjects. Callelinea 12:56, 3 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Comment: more info and references added. Callelinea 20:07, 4 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. To Callelinea- Bring the article to deletion review after you find references in your trip to Cuba (but even then, the subject might not have sufficient notability). Sr13 03:35, 7 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Alonso del Portillo-Marcano[edit]

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Non-notable person related to notable people. Corvus cornix 23:31, 2 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Comment: interesting that the only contribution 74.242.184.198 has done is to vote on my six articles up for AfD.. Like I have stated something fishy is going on.Callelinea 04:48, 3 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]
That is why I am going to Cuba in August to get more info on the subjects.Callelinea 12:59, 3 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was delete. To Callelinea- Bring the article to deletion review after you find references in your trip to Cuba. Sr13 03:32, 7 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Alonso J. del Portillo-Tamargo[edit]

Alonso J. del Portillo-Tamargo (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD)

Non-notable contractor who happens to be related to possibly notable people. Corvus cornix 23:29, 2 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Comment: interesting that the only contribution 74.242.184.198 has done is to vote on my six articles up for AfD.. Like I have stated something fishy is going on.Callelinea 04:48, 3 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was keep. Sr13 05:08, 7 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Kayak.com[edit]

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Not notable; no references quoted to back article up. VTSPOWER 23:21, 2 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Try a google news search. Capmango 05:15, 4 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was Delete. WaltonOne 14:11, 10 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Odigo[edit]

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Non notable company. I replaced the speedy tag with a prod tag, and the prod tag was then removed because the article was referenced, even though it was only to primary sources, and it was 'doing no harm', which is irrelevent. J Milburn 23:02, 2 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Actually it is the opposite, claiming the article doesn't do any harm is listed as an argument to avoid see WP:HARMLESS. --Daniel J. Leivick 20:38, 3 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]
First of all, I resent your description of me. Secondly, it is made slightly more offensive by the fact you evidently have no idea what you are talking about, as Daniel so eloquently pointed out. To be quite brutally honest, an article on something that does not meet our notability guidelines does hurt the encyclopedia, as it destroys our credibility. Would you really take an encyclopedia which had vanity perma-stubs on hundreds of useless little corporations, which have since disbanded and never did anything worthy of note, seriously? And yes, the prod was removed, and, as I still believed that it may be best for the article to be deleted, I brought it here, so that there could be community input. Not only is that what is reccomended, but it means that it is not my decision, as you seemed to believe it is. In fact, had you even read what I had said, you would note that I removed the speedy deletion tag and replaced it with a prod tag. I came across it with a speedy deletion tag, and, being an administrator, I could have easily deleted the article and never looked back. But, I gave it a chance, and what do I get? Insults from those who believe it should be kept. Also, it is not someone else's article at all- yet again, you have no idea what you are talking about. Please excuse the length of this post, I was somewhat offended. Have a nice day. J Milburn 21:04, 3 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Wah, wah, wah... At least I was right about the culprit evidently having nothing better to do than stew over what's written on the Internet. Maybe you can prove me wrong by actually putting forward a reason for suggesting this for deletion other than you can and you apparently have nothing better to do? Atraxus 21:44, 3 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Now you're just goading me. You suggest I have nothing to do but argue, then you come and flame me? I have given all the argument I need to- it does not meet our notability guidelines- I would be happy to be proven wrong. Instead of attacking me, why don't you actually find a decent argument? Things are not notable by default, it is up to those who wish for the article to be kept to prove that they are, and no one has proven that this is notable. J Milburn 21:52, 3 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]
I don't need to find a reason. Keeps are winning now! ftw Atraxus 18:58, 4 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]
This is not a vote where the side with the most votes wins, votes are counted on their individual merit. Atraxus's vote with its personal attacks and obvious misreading of policy is not likely to make much of a difference. --Daniel J. Leivick 19:16, 4 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Well then it just leaves me to congratulate you on your part in ridding the world of this unnecessary evil. Maybe I'll honour you by creating a Wikipedia article to commemorate the occasion. Atraxus 20:40, 4 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was delete. Sr13 05:06, 7 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Aether in popular culture[edit]

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This is just a listing of mentionings of "aether" in random video games and films. Trivial. Things like "plasma" or "hyper-speed" in popular culture could easily be made too. Nearly all science-fiction books/films/TV shows would have things like this mentioned in them. Bulldog123 22:58, 2 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. Sr13 20:05, 7 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Nichola Holt[edit]

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May had a brief but now already forgotten career on Big Brother but as a porn actress, this is where she fail on notability as per WP:PORNBIO Dr Tobias Funke 22:48, 2 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete ck lostsword•T•C 18:39, 8 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Minnesota Stretching Crew[edit]

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This article is an incorrect name for the Minnesota Wrecking Crew which already has it's own article. The info in this article could easily be merged into Brock Lesnar or Minnesota Wrecking Crew and due to the fact that this wrestling stable is several years old and defunct, it is unlikely to get much more information to begin with. I recommend it be deleted and the info totally erased or merged into one of the two articles mentioned above. Wikidudeman (talk) 22:41, 2 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was Delete. NawlinWiki 19:59, 9 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Crease creatures[edit]

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My prod was deleted but with no improvement in the article - read not telling us why this is a notable fan group - only a UW-M info box was added. A recent prod of mine for the same type of group at another college (I think it was Nova Nation but don't quote me) was prod'd and deleted and for the same reason, I prod'd this one. College hockey season lasts for a very short time and even if these fans win the best fans award by the NCAA, it is still not worthy of a stand alone article. At best, it should be incorporated someway into a UW-M article either in the sports section of the school's page or the team page. Postcard Cathy 22:34, 2 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was keep all. It might be better to list separately, as Amarkov mentions, to be able to concentrate more on each particular article instead of a bunch all at once. Majorly (talk) 17:02, 10 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

RuneScape gods, RuneScape combat, RuneScape skills, Gielinor[edit]

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RuneScape gods (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views)
RuneScape combat (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views)
RuneScape skills (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views)
Gielinor (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views)

These are fan/gamecruft and violate the Wikipedia:WikiProject Video games/Article guidelines in that they are inappropriately detailed game guide content. Plus, they have severe problems with citing sources and being verifiable. Much of this comes from playing the game and would be impossible to reference properly. What little is referenced for the most part comes from a single, unreliable source. These articles are unsalvageable, and should be deleted. Andre (talk) 22:25, 2 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

We need multiple, reliable sources independent of the article subjects themselves. Official documentation alone is not sufficient for a well-referenced encyclopedia article. Andre (talk) 23:12, 2 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]
The violations of the VG guidelines occur in skills and combat, which are inappropriately detailed game guide content. And as for timing, it seems that the AFD you refer to was in January. Andre (talk) 23:18, 2 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]
You mean per WP:N? Well, if RuneScape, the main article, were lacking independent sources, I would have db-a7'd it myself. Thankfully, the RuneScape topic has plenty of independent reliable sources. These subpages exist only because of WP:SIZE - otherwise they would be included in the main article and one would have time to get a cup of coffee and a sandwich while waiting for the page to load. The requirement for multiple, independent reliable sources applies to whole topics, not individual articles, otherwise everything on Wikipedia would be confined to single, mammoth articles. (Edit conflict) How does any material in combat or skills help one play the game? They seem pretty useless as walkthroughs to me, although fairly good at explaining the gameplay to a non-player. True, we do have a problem with new, inexperienced users adding borderline material, but this is normally sorted out pretty quickly. I'll mention the diluting merge idea again now (Deckiller's originally, I wouldn't want to take the credit). In closing Gods 5, Herostratus recommended no more "until 2008 at the earliest". And as an aside, I'm just going to remove the Pures, Hybrids and Tanks section from combat now, as I have never been happy with this recent introduction, and I've been considering it all day. CaptainVindaloo t c e 23:55, 2 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]
That's simply not the case. The requirement for references and reliable sources applies to each datum of information. I recommend you read over WP:V. And as for Herostratus' recommendation, it was just that: a recommendation, not a decree or a requirement. Andre (talk) 23:58, 2 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Your recent removal was helpful but the issues with these articles still stand. Here are some more instances of game guide content/content that violates the VG guidelines which are particularly obvious in the combat article: This skill was important in RuneScape Classic because you could only retreat after the 3rd round of combat. Advanced bows, such as Magic Shortbow, Magic Longbow, Dark Bow, Crystal bow, and Seercull Bow, also have "Special Attacks". Monsters are often easier to kill then their level suggests. Andre (talk) 00:05, 3 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]
I'm not saying anything is exempt from WP:V (which has nothing forbidding the use of official documentation as sources, I might add), I'm saying that subpages of notable topics do not need to prove notability all by themselves. And after four keeps and one withdrawn because of recent keeps, it's time to stop AfDing Gods. (Edit conflict) Thanks for pointing those out, looks like they slipped through the net. CaptainVindaloo t c e 00:12, 3 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]
I'm not talking about notability, I'm talking about references and sources -- Wikipedia:Attribution. All material in Wikipedia must be attributable to a reliable, published source.. The official documentation is unacceptable to be the only source to support the articles as per the Attribution page, Wikipedia:Reliable sources, Wikipedia:No original research, etc. The official site is promotional in nature and is insufficient as a reference.
Here are some more examples of game guide content, this time in the Gielinor article: It is best known for the massive dungeon beneath the island, populated by Dagannoths and the Daggannoth Kings, three extremely powerful monsters who drop unique rewards for use in combat and skill training. The island can only be accessed by paying a ghostly sailor in Port Phasmatys a small quantity of ectotokens, a kind of currency used only by the ghosts of that city. Players can assist them by defending a Void Knight in the Pest Control minigame and earn rewards such as Void Knight robes or bonus combat experience. These articles are full of this stuff. Andre (talk) 00:20, 3 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Most material here is cited (WP:ATT) to a reliable source (WP:RS; are you suggesting that the official documentation is unreliable?!). Any (minority) original research can simply be removed without nuking the entire article. These are reasons for cleanup, not deletion. CaptainVindaloo t c e 00:45, 3 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]
The official documentation is reliable technically, but not sufficient as the only reference on an article. Since it is impossible to cite these articles to anything else, they need to be deleted. Andre (talk) 01:08, 3 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]
How is it impossible? Try fansites. Game reviewers usually comment on gameplay mechanics too. CaptainVindaloo t c e 18:38, 3 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]
something to Wikipedia? If you're doing research on this topic, there's the Jagex KB. We could add something to
RuneScape saying how it has varied lands? I understand this might be a good topic and informational, but
I dunno...
RuneScape skills - weak keep - Acceptable, could do with some sources.
RuneScape gods - delete - Not sure if all this is really needed. If there is something more about these
gods that is added to RuneScape, (and sourced,) this might be valid. As it is, Guthix/Saradomin/Zamorack
appear to be the 'main' gods of the game, so I'm not sure if all this about the demi-gods is needed.
RuneScape combat - delete and/or merge to skills - Few sources
OSbornarf 20:41, 3 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]
You can't merge and delete, that would be a GFDL violation. Even if that happened, it would be split out again immediately per WP:SIZE. Where does WP:FICT forbid subpages? I see a bit encouraging subpages where necessary, but nothing forbidding them. CaptainVindaloo t c e 01:34, 4 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]
My actual opinions though: WP:CRUFT may only be an essay, but it brings up very valid points. Also, if you think they should be kept per WP:SIZE of RuneScape, maybe that means that there should not that much information on the subject in the first place (WP:BHTT anyone?). Remember, I am still going neutral and these are my opinions on the RuneScape series in general so I may go either way on any specific article. Greeves (talk • contribs) 17:17, 7 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was Speedy deleted as spam/advertising under G11. Spartaz Humbug! 23:01, 2 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

The Banker Top 1000 World Banks[edit]

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Article that appears to have been written to advertise a specific issue of a magazine, and whose subject could easily have been mentioned in its existing article Paul20070 22:02, 2 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was no consensus to delete, default to KEEP JodyB talk 20:37, 10 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

EJ Wells and Samantha Brady[edit]

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Delete as Sami and EJ are not and have never been a couple. At the moment only supercouples seem to have their own pages and whilst there is no denying that EJ and Sami have some support amongst the fans, they are not actually a couple. Even if they were Wikipedia is not the place to list every popular couple on a show, only the particularly notable ones, which Sami and EJ are not (particularly as EJ has only been on the show for a year). Magical mia 22:01, 2 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Other than that, this article does provide a Cultural impact section, in which can be expanded on. I'm not a fan of this couple. I do, however, see that this article is better referenced and lower in plot summary than some other soap opera couple articles that I will be working on improving while here at Wikipedia. Flyer22 01:33, 3 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Plot summary which can always be edited down is not a good enough reason to delete this article, which is also referenced. Flyer22 05:05, 3 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

The storyline is naturally addressed. And a Cultural impact section of the couple can be addressed in articles such as these, as it is with this article... specifically about this couple's popularity and or controversy. It would be redundant to have a Cultural impact section regarding a couple, for instance, mentioned within the characters of that couple's articles. Also, this type of couple, such as EJ and Sami, causes edit warring more so than a typical popular couple, because this couple has a rival couple, and adding certain details in Sami's article regarding EJ, or adding certain details in EJ's article regarding Sami...can result in a tiresome edit war between the rival fan-bases, more so than usual. The format of this article can always be improved. Flyer22 03:52, 6 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

In response to the comment about the duplication between the character pages and the couple page, I agree that the individual character pages should be updated to remove reference to the history included in the couple page with a re-direction to the couple page. Radiantbutterfly 21:37, 9 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was Merge & redirect to Tommy Tucker (baseball player). I have already merged the two articles & changed the nominated article to a redirect page (non-admin closure). — Caknuck 20:20, 6 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Tommy Tucker (19th century baseball player)[edit]

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Already a page created for this player. Tommy Tucker (baseball player) Neonblak 21:43, 2 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]


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The result was Keep JodyB talk 20:41, 10 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Gavriel Olteanu[edit]

Looks like hoax: no references, no google hits Alex Bakharev 12:07, 22 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

  • Excellent work - I surrender to your superior search skills (no, really). Given PrimeHunter's sources, I no longer suspect hoax-ish-ness. This article needs much work, but I'd now support a keep. -- MarcoTolo 00:12, 23 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Comment. I've deleted the majority of the article to avoid copyvio problems - will attempt to create from scratch (as penance....). -- MarcoTolo 00:27, 23 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Comment. OK. I will change to keep if it gets enough content for a decent stub. It should be moved to Gavril Olteanu, but I don't know whether it's best to do it now or when the AfD is over. PrimeHunter 01:02, 23 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was no consensus; hard to judge with so many anons and SPA's with such slanted opinions. Sr13 05:00, 7 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

John Smeaton (baggage handler)[edit]

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  • As an "anonymous IP" with far more than 50 edits and an edit history rivalling "Balloonman" himself, I urge the closing admin not to discount IP address users outright, but instead to judge on the merits of their arguments. 62.31.67.29 08:37, 5 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • Right. There's clearly a bunch of people on here for whom this is their first experience of Wikipedia, but that's because W has listed John Smeaton ahead of other Internet sources - that's a good thing, not a bad thing. Doesn't make their arguments invalid. 82.40.183.118 11:07, 5 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • Normally I wouldn't discard anonymous IP's... but in this particular case, where there is no doubt of socks... care should be taken to identify the legitimate arguments with legitimate points from the puppets. Especially when outside sources are actively soliciting people to come here to vote on this issue.[7]---a clear violationg of WP:CANVASS.Balloonman 04:54, 7 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]
I agree. A year from now, nay six months from now, no one will remember his name. Postcard Cathy 22:37, 2 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Maybe delete it in six months, then ? He may yet become an internet phenomenon, despite the language barrier! Who can tell how the future history will work out ? Who had heard of Grace Darling the next day ? Wouldn't it be great if the little dutch boy who stuck his finger in the dyke was remembered by name ? Almost certainly not Hans Brinker ! IMHO WP:HERO guidelines like WP:PORNBIO would be great for the public good ! 195.137.93.171 23:07, 2 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

And there are notable biographies for Chuck Norris and Randy Constan ? Comments on [8] are already making references to these guys. 195.137.93.171 23:34, 2 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Changing my mind; merge anything not already there to the article on the incident. We don't have articles for the other people who are getting splashes of media attention on this, and that would seem the logical place for it to go. Tony Fox (arf!) review? 21:49, 4 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • Of interest to social historians as an example of an ordinary citizen's attitude when facing direct confrontation with terrorists.
  • As of thursday 5th July, Google now showing over 12,000 results for query '"John Smeaton" baggage' ('baggage' added to distinguish him from the historic John Smeaton).
  • Todd Beamer (the 'let's roll' guy) gets a Wikipedia article. JS's role in this terror attack is similar to TS's role on September 11th. Would JS's article be up for deletion if he was American? 82.40.183.118 11:18, 5 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]


keep this page! There are all sorts of useless crap on here - this guy braved his life and who knows what could have happened if he hadn't nutted the guy! — Preceding unsigned comment added by Nony88 (talk • contribs) — Nony88 (talk • contribs) has made few or no other edits outside this topic.

  • I resent your implication, good sir, and find your comparison downright slanderous. I reserve the right to feel about this article any way I please and I'll be damned before allowing my opinions be weighed on the crooked scales of some lackwit knowlessman. --Agamemnon2 17:57, 3 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • Right. How many lives has all your base are belong to us ever saved? Wayne's World merits separate articles for the SNL sketch and the movie, and genuine hero John doesn't merit an article of his own? Shame on Wikipedia for being US-centric. Just because you haven't heard of him doesn't mean he's not a big deal over here. 82.40.183.118 11:04, 5 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]
The man is a hero and is not merely an person on the scene at Glasgow Airport, but an international Internet phenonemon. 85.210.60.42 19:10, 3 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

This is absolutely not media hype, it reflects the black humour which real and virtual communities use to reinforce those things which they hold in common at times of stress. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 82.111.137.26 (talk • contribs).

Your POLICY link simply explains that being in the news once doesn't guarantee an article, i.e. it's not a defense against a valid reason to delete. It says nothing about actively deleting things because they've been in the news once. Please pick another Wikipedia policy to justify your deletion request. 62.31.67.29 12:23, 4 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Please provide a defense... a person who is the flavor of the day, isn't notable due to his/her 15 minutes of fame. even if Bebo instructs people to come here to vote...Balloonman 05:05, 7 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

The UK Prime Minister noted the response by the "British Public" who were not going to accept attacks on their way of life during Prime Minister's Questions on June 4th, 2007 - with John Smeaton being held as the first example of this behaviour occuring. It is definitely notable with the possible future backlash that may occur. 82.9.61.225 18:21, 4 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

  • I was hoping to add this to the article, but in PM Qs, all Gordon Brown said was "I want to remind people of just how brave and courageous the explosives experts in London and those who tackled the terrorist activity at Glasgow airport were." The First Minister has "suggested that there should be some formal recognition of the bravery of the emergency services and members of the public after their efforts last Saturday."[11] or "vowed to salute the brave terrorist-battlers."[12] but I can't find him mentioning John Smeaton by name. However, Alex McLeish has "backed calls" for John Smeaton should get a medal and directly referenced him by saying "I love all that 'We'll set aboot ye' stuff. That’s the Scots mentality — and now the whole world knows it."[13] 62.31.67.29 09:45, 5 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

*Comment As I said before, I think a merger of the encyclopedic content into the Glasgow attack article would be appropriate, but he's not worth an individual biography for this one incident. Just because The Sun describes him as an hero doesn't mean he's notable enough for an article.-h i s s p a c e r e s e a r c h 11:45, 5 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Pmendham 14:09, 5 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

  • "Wikipedia" didn't nominate this page for deletion, only User:Lynbarn did. They used the phrase "The idiots at Wikipedia", which can be inclusive or exclusive depending on how you want to take it. 62.31.67.29 14:16, 6 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

139.133.7.38 10:05, 6 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

saintmarkpeth 11:14, July 6 2007 (UTC) — saint_markperth (talk • contribs) has made few or no other edits outside this topic.

THE CRITERIA

. Failure to meet these criteria is not conclusive proof that a subject should not be included; however, meeting one or more does not guarantee that a subject should be included.

The person has been the subject of published1 secondary sources that are reliable, intellectually independent, and independent of the subject. If we take the original interviews as primary sources, then it is clearly demonstratable that there have been a number of secondary newspaper, internet, radio and television articles, and that John Smeaton should be considered notable on this measure

If the depth of coverage is not substantial, then multiple independent sources may need to be cited to establish notability. Trivial coverage of a subject by secondary sources may not be sufficient to establish notability. Even if the depth of coverage were to be deemed 'not substantial'. which I personally feel would be incorrect, there exist multiple independent sources that have been cited, and these continue to grow. I don't feel that anyone could argue thatthe coverage is 'trivial'.

The person has been the subject of a credible independent biography. I am sure it is only a matter of time before we are reading the John Smeaton biography, no doubt entitled "We'll set aboot ye" and serialised prior to publication in one of the redtops.

The person has received significant recognized awards or honors. Scotland's First Minister has already assured the country that the heroes from Glasgow Airport - including John Smeaton - will receive appropriate honours.

The person has demonstrable wide name recognition I think that in this case, demonstrable wide name recognition is undeniable. Try it - I'm sure if you ask a number of people who John Smeaton is, the majority will mention he is a baggage handler at Glasgow airport rather than a notable 18th century civil engineer

The person has made a widely recognized contribution that is part of the enduring historical record in their specific field. That John Smeaton made a widely recognised contribution is in no doubt. I'm not sure that any of us could claim at this time to be able to state with certainty that his contributiion will NOT become part of the enduring historical record. My own inclination is that it will, much like Todd Beamer's "Let's roll" or the actions of Mayor Giuliani after the 9/11 attacks

Commercial endorsements of demonstrably notable products I have to say, this issue causes me the most distress. We sit and discuss John Smeaton's merits for inclusion in Wikipedia based on his heroic conduct, his forthright interviews and his burgeoning cult status during and following the terrorist attacks on the airport where he worked. However, once he signs the well-nigh inevitable Irn Bru promotional deal, then no more discussion is necessary. Doesn't seem right somehow.

Given that the Criteria for Notability state "A person is generally notable if they meet any of the following standards", I would say by virtue of the fact John Smeaton meets so many of them the article is not a candidate for deletion. two other points to consider are that other less-notable people have an entry, so why shouldn't he, and secondly that the argument that 'he won't be remembered in a year' is a spurious one. Having read both What Wikipedia is and What Wikipedia is not, I can see no grounds for this being a valid argument for deletion. An encyclopedia is after all a repository of knowledge, often of knowledge that may otherwise be forgotten. 80.80.187.181 12:26, 6 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was redirect. Sr13 06:03, 7 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Larissa Aurora[edit]

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This "Model/Actress" has done nothing notable to warrant her own Wikipage. All she has done is be eliminated from two reality shows. Additionally, this article does not cite a single source to back any of its claims. I fail to see how this article passes WP:BIO) Gamer83 21:11, 2 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was keep. Nandesuka 12:19, 9 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

List of books with the subtitle "Virtue Rewarded"[edit]

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Delete - Wikipedia articles are not collections of loosely-associated topics. Similar to the many, many articles deleted because they share a common word or words in the title, the items on this list have no relationship to one another beyond the author's happening to pick the same two words as a subtitle. They are drawn from multiple styles of "books" (including fiction books, textbooks, plays, poems, "erotic fiction" and anthologies) from across disparate centuries, have dissimilar protagonists, do not share the same "virtue" and the virtue does not garner the same reward. This list tells us nothing about the fiction or the real world. Keep arguments from the first AFD are incredibly poor, including among others such unpersuasive reasons as "interesting" and "well-written." Otto4711 21:00, 2 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

  • The last AFD was held last year and it certainly should have no bearing on this one. The only connections these books have in common are that they share 2 words in the subtitle. This is the textbook definition of directory of loose items (WP:NOT) Corpx 01:36, 3 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • Might as well nominate AFD for AFD then Corpx 03:10, 3 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • Do you think these books have anything in common except two words in their subtitle? Corpx 03:25, 3 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Actually, yes--the post-Pamela books are making a very clear allusion to the title (though perhaps not the substance) of Richardson's novel. --Akhilleus (talk) 03:27, 3 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • I think the point of the list is negated if all items on it dont meet the set critera. Unless you remove the first two entires, do the items have anything else in common?
Well, the subtitle, obviously. The problem is that I haven't read most of these books, but I think it would be possible to argue that they share a common focus on sexual morality (or in the case of the erotic novel, sexual immorality). Is that focus exclusive to these works? Hardly. Is the list silly? Absolutely. But that's the essence of its charm. --Akhilleus (talk)
  • I think the WP:NOT list of loosely releated items is referring to lists like this. Corpx 03:44, 3 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]
I'm not sure I agree, exactly--to me, "the subtitle is 'Virtue Rewarded'" is a pretty tight criterion. The more cogent objection is "why should we have a list based on what appears to be an insignificant characteristic of these novels?" And my answer is "because it's cool"! And yes, I realize that this could be construed as an argument for deletion instead. --Akhilleus (talk) 03:48, 3 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • I just dont think an encyclopedia is the place to catalog boot titles and subtitles by the words in them. It seems way too trivial. If a bunch of books share similiar focus/content, they should be placed in a category, like Category:Books about sexual morality Corpx 03:50, 3 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]
What would be the fun in that? --Akhilleus (talk) 03:52, 3 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • The two sources you mention refer to this phrase in the context of medicine and corporations. I've never read these books, but an editor mentioned above that the usage in the list was suggestive of sexual morality? I dont think the two sources you provided are talking about the same "Virtue rewarded" Corpx 14:51, 3 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • Sorry, I should have been clearer. The links were a demonstration that "virtue rewarded" isn't just a ye olde literary subtitle, but a phrase long established in English and used in a variety of contexts. I recommended renaming the page because I think there could be a more expansive article, with the list serving to demonstrate its etymological origins in 17th and 18th century literature. And since the basis of this article would still be what's currently here, I'd infinitely prefer an expansion/renaming, rather than starting from scratch with a userfied version that doesn't give credit to User:Bishonen (which may be a GFDL violation). Regards, --DeLarge 20:52, 3 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • Well, then nominate the "pokemon article" for deletion, instead of keeping this one because that exists. Corpx 01:49, 4 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Pamela and the Xbox: [17]. --Akhilleus (talk) 13:10, 4 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Good grief, but that's a good link! (No, video games are not just the same as novels. Pamela taught country girls to sell their virginity for a wedding ring, according to Henry Fielding. Hitman teaches young boys to aim for the head. There is at least a slight difference. Good on them, though, and great link.) Geogre 13:45, 4 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]
And I'd like to emphasize something that has been suggested a few times above but not actually said, Virtue Rewarded is not merely two words that happened to come together as the subtitle of a number of written works, Virtue Rewarded is a cultural phenomenon, a defining concept that had some power in its day, and demonstrably (via this List, for example) to this day as well. The argument against this list would be akin to claiming that books with generative grammar in the title have nothing substantive in common, and that the fact that such books feature those two words in their titles is mere happenstance. But generative grammar and virtue rewarded are subjects, intellectual concepts that are/have been the subject of debate - whether in novel form, or the form of academic texts. Pinkville 18:28, 4 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Juliette, or Vice Amply Rewarded is further evidence that a notable literary theme underlies these subtitles. --Akhilleus (talk) 00:42, 5 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Indeed! Good example. Pinkville 10:52, 5 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • That the theme of "virtue rewarded" may or may not be notable as an intellectual concept does not mean that a list of every time the words "virtue rewarded" appear together in the subtitle of a book is notable. That is the distinction that is too often missed by people who want to keep these sorts of catch-all lists. The notability of Subject X does not automatically extend notability to every example of Subject X or everything that discusses Subject X or parodies Subject X or uses the words "Subject X." Otto4711 18:46, 8 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]
-- Jreferee (Talk) 05:55, 9 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was Merge JodyB talk 20:44, 10 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Grey's Law[edit]

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Non-notable neologism (this version of the law found only on one web site). If it sticks around, we can add it later. Phaunt 08:17, 22 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was Delete, notability not asserted, no sources. NawlinWiki 20:03, 9 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Queens The Musical[edit]

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New production with no substantial claim of notability, and no third-party reliable sources cited. I had tagged with ((prod)) but page creator deprodded. (ESkog)(Talk) 20:43, 2 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

There'll be plenty of third party sources when the play is performed at the end of the month for Pride Festival —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Tartimarty (talk • contribs) 16:45, 3 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

In that case would you like me to temporarily remove it? Tartimarty 23:28, 4 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was Speedy deleted (WP:CSD#A7) by Anthony Appleyard. WODUP 23:22, 2 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Primitive prints[edit]

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Contested prod. Small, local, defunct clothing manufacturer. No assertion of notability, no sources. Ford MF 20:41, 2 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was Delete JodyB talk 20:52, 10 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]


Pacific Centennial Group[edit]

Pacific Centennial Group (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD) No sources, been put up for speedy deletion twice, but I restored it after I got a message that made me think that maybe it's notable enough. Community consensus is better in this case. Evilclown93(talk) 20:19, 2 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you for highlighting this I will remember this, Evilclown93,

No your note about awards, for all concern, there are so many awardees each year, so should all of them come to WIKI to have a piece of the pie. What sort of ideology are you representing, Democracy? WIKI is not about democracy either. Please take your agendas else where to advertise.
2. Being featured in the National Library Board, we have been featured and invited on multiple occasions by our PM for closed door discussions lately, to help resturcture some of the Entrepreneural guidelines, do I also qualify to be put here. DO NOT throw name like the president of Singapore here and the National Library board here and expect that you will be elevated to some new level of being. WIKI is not about making you a hero, if we condone this, then everyone who shook the hand of the president of the united states with a photo will need a spot here on WIKI including my father and my mom, who incidentally did just that! You want to advertise your site, take it else where. To Evil Clown, if you have noticed, he has taken the opportunity to put links of ALL HIS related site on the page, and made attempts to quickly index that information on GOOGLE, further proving that this is strictly for SEO. I recommend the action of SPEEDY DELETION.
3. We made several calls to NLB to enquire about this heritage thing, no one knows..... if this is meant for our heritage, it should be known to as many people as possible, and I was passed around all morning from one department to the next and they no clue what this is about.

Based on your statement, you claimed that we abuse Wikipedia for our own commercial gains. You also claimed that we made attempts to quickly index the information on Google. On other articles, you also claimed of traffic spikes on Alexa. Seriously, Wikipedia did send people to our site. But which article don't? Also, on what evidence you have to show that we index the information on Google? As for Alexa, that's just our estimated traffic pattern. End of the day, it is well-known that Google has its own algorithm for indexing and that Alexa lacks of accuracy due to browser dependence. It seems that you just taking pot-shots to keep us busy in giving our evidence and presenting our case. However, the ball is back in your court now - What's evidence do you have for whatever you had claimed? For example, you claimed that certain staffs of NLB don't know about the archiving of websites. While there may be possibility that I lied, there is possibility that the archiving is known to just a department which they didn't know was handling the project. It is of no surprise in large organisations where disparate departments don't really know who does what. Still, I have the email for this and as mentioned, I will present it as an evidence to wiki admins if necessary.

While you claimed to be helping Wikipedia, your actions do not seems to be so. And while you claimed that it is because you want people to know the truth, the previous edits were in the largely in nature of malicious purposes. The difference between "THIS PROVIDER HAS MOVED 3 TIMES!" and "Previous Locations of Pacific Centennial Group" is that the former is for spiteful purpose and the latter is for users to understand more and draw their own conclusion. I deleted your opinions on the article because it was not factual and doesn't have reasonable evidence. And if you claimed that you have the interests of Wikipedia at heart, you should help to cleanup the article or recommend for speedy deletion, and not taking law in your own hands. If you believe that we moved 3 times (we actually moved twice) or increased our prices, then do add them appropriately like "Previous Location" or "Previous Packages & Pricing".

I seen how MSJapan, Evilclown and several other administrators work and their explanation were largely inline with the policies of Wikipedia. Evilclown made the decision that the article may be notable but because I'm a direct staff of the company, I maybe in conflict of interest. I could have lied on that so save that article, but I believe that honesty is far more important. If Wikipedia don't accept the article now and delete off, I will put it more effort to make it more notable and hopefully in the future, someone else would recognized us and put us up again.Sg wiki editor 17:15, 4 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

BTW, here are an article which could resolve this situation - Resolving Dispute. I seek your co-operation in abiding to this official policy during your replies. Should you feel that the articles lack of certain information, I will be pleased to amend and include them with either citation or references from RS.

BTW also, we may still proceed to file a report to the police or engage a lawyer for those edits that was vandalized for malicious purpose. Since you claimed that it was not from you and was from your customers, I seek your co-operation to inform that customers of our course of action. However, if it was really from you, I hope that you could stop these nonsense. Seriously, a man must have courage to admit their wrongdoing. If wrong, then just apologize. Likewise, if after the police investigation has completed and the vandalism was not from you, I will issue an official apology with a reasonable compensation.

In short, I hope to settle this amicably, sincerely and honestly. Sg wiki editor 17:41, 4 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

- First of all, I had reasoned that being notable is about being recognized by the industry. While it maybe true that Pacific Centennial Group is recognized, by itself may not be sufficient to be listed. I came to this conclusion after reading a magazine and was looking through the advertisements. Each of the company has its importance in the industry they are in. However, it would be nuts if I say all of these companies will be recognized within in their own industry. For example, if we think about burgers - we think about McDonalds, Burger King or even White Castle. That is what most people will know about burgers. Would people care if there is a guy who is famous for grilling delicious burger? Will people have a difference opinion about burgers if this guy is gone?

- Second, I was thinking through the comments of some users. Would its article add value to the user? Did Pacific Centennial Group founded something? Invented something? Created something unique? Vastly improved the industry? Yes, it did win awards and maybe recognized by the National Library Board. But will that be relevant to someone who want to research about the virtual office industry of Singapore?

- Third, I'm a staff of Pacific Centennial Group. While my reasoning may have its merit, it is simply not wise (recommended) that I should edit this article. Even if I want to achieve neutrality, readers may be skeptic about the accuracy of the article and that defeat the entire purpose. Likewise I know that the article is created by the staffs of that company, I would certainly have some doubt about the accuracy and NPOV.

Eventually after these thoughts, if unless someone could prove otherwise (I would be glad though), I hope that the article to be removed within these few days. Also, while I might not really like the tone of this smartvirtualoffice user, I think some of his comments have certain merits and has successfully challenged my thoughts. But still, I do not condone his methods of vandalizing the article. Sg wiki editor 19:14, 4 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I dun think I need to say that much. Peter Tan Jun Long, you are not any where near as noble as you present yourself to be.
1. In Wiki, when we added our links as alternative, you could not stand that could you. 2. We feel you have vandalized WIKI, and would consider putting that up in a police report as well..
3. We feel you are a man with many double standards, especially when it comes to treatment. You think you run the Virtual Office Scene, think again. Regus and Servcorp with many offices worldwide does not have to win awards to be placed here. Signature space with more offices around does not have a 4. ALL ADMINSTRATORS now want your site deleted, do you agree it needs to be?
That's why it should be deleted. Check out WP:COI. Evilclown93(talk) 22:40, 3 July 2007 (UTC). You keep stressing how great the company is, we are arguing on very different terms. 2 ADMINISTRATORS have made their case to have your site deleted. This time, it is not ME who says delete and you still do not want to, that says a lot about you. While you took pot shots at us way back in 2006, no one agreed or disagreed with you, this time ADMINSTRATORS are telling you to delete. I may be adding fuel to the fire, but fact stands that you need to be deleted. I am sure you will want the last words on this and you will go into lengthy explaination as to why you are the best and need to be here because you won an award that was voted and INTERVIEWED by students who are naive and took a medal with SR Nathan, so what....

1) You add a link which doesn't relate to the article but just for the purpose of luring readers to your site. Anyway, you mentioned before that the links were from your customers and not from you. Now you said that it was you who added the links. Contradicting.

2) Feel free to put up a police report if you think it's necessary or valid.

3) When you mentioned double standard, in which circumstance did I show that I have such a behavior? Did I mentioned that my article should be placed up and other people's articles shouldn't be place? It seems that to you, deleting away your biased opinion is double-standard. I deleted because it is not factual. That's all. Also, I have never once in Wikipedia dispute your claims on your company, whether your parents shake hands with US President, or whatever.

4) Yes, most administrators feel that the article should be taken off. I never claimed that the company is great. I only present evidences that I believe the article has certain notable values and hopefully that the administrators could evaluate. Also, I never hide behind any other usernames or IP addresses to disguise my relationship with the company. As for Spirit of Enterprise, I think you have no clue on how it works. Companies are nominated for SOE award and are interviewed by tertiary students. SOE has a Board of Governors who determine whether if the company should win the award, and these Board of Governors includes experienced businessmen or professionals. Award winners are also co-determined by public voting too. And whether if we receive an award from Mr. SR Nathan, President of Singapore, it is just a factual statement (just like stating that our office is located in Robinson Road). We didn't spin any stories but I guess that my previous statement of "one of the leading..." may not be proper and feels a little advertorial. That is why I clean-up the article to be more factual and removed statements that I have no concrete evidences.

I'm not here to claim how noble I am. I'm not. All I trying to do is to place an article and present the evidences to show its notability. Throughout these times, I begin to read up on Wikipedia policies and try to figure whether if the article has complied with the given guidelines. The more I read the more it becomes clear that the article has both its merits and demerits. While I still believe that the article is notable and neutral (merits), after careful thoughts I feel that there were two critical issues - I'm the staff of the article's mentioned company (COI) and that the company may yet to become a valuable study in the field of virtual office industry (demerits). That's why even I think the article should be deleted, but in a more civil and analytical way.

Anyway, don't be that spiteful. If you really care for Wikipedia and wish to police around, do use the time to help clear up the loadful of articles that wait to be clean-up. Don't forget to add you name. Sg wiki editor 16:37, 5 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Lets start with yours... --202.55.71.12 17:34, 5 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was redirect. Sr13 20:14, 7 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

List of landmarks in Chicago[edit]

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This article survived a prior AFD when List of Chicago Landmarks was less well developed. Now, that the List of Chicago Landmarks is a WP:FL it should be clear that a listing of the official Chicago Landmarks and National Historic Landmarks in Chicago, Illinois is the proper list for this topic. A quick read of WP:WIAFL should help one to understand why this page is not a good list. It constitutes WP:OR. The only source for this list is the editor who has posted his favorite buildings. There is no reason for anyone to post a list of their favorite buildings and pass them off as a list of landmarks. It is not (WP:NOT#OR) encyclopedic. TonyTheTiger (t/c/bio/tcfkaWCDbwincowtchatlotpsoplrttaDCLaM) 20:14, 2 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Delete nominator as stated above. --TonyTheTiger (t/c/bio/tcfkaWCDbwincowtchatlotpsoplrttaDCLaM) 20:15, 2 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Comment merge is unacceptable as it would cause us to put WP:FL status at risk.--TonyTheTiger (t/c/bio/tcfkaWCDbwincowtchatlotpsoplrttaDCLaM) 20:35, 2 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Delete in favor of the more complete List of Chicago Landmarks. This page now has no useful information. Speciate 20:36, 2 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. Sr13 06:06, 7 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Richest cities by 2020[edit]

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An article that solely consists of speculation about the future wealth of cities is not encyclopedic. If this information belongs anywhere on Wikipedia then it's as a link to an article about the *current* ranking of richest cities. It certainly doesn't deserve its own article, especially when it appears to be lifted from an uncited PricewaterhouseCoopers article. Hux 20:07, 2 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Delete as obvious crystal balling. Batmanand | Talk 20:09, 2 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Delete There is no reference to show the Statistic studies on this subject , It's someone's imagination. Ammar (Talk - Don't Talk) 20:14, 2 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Comment AND HE HAS INCLUDED MUMBAI EVEN. ! Ammar (Talk - Don't Talk) 20:15, 2 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Comment and check this out : Richest cities in the world . WHYYYY MAAAN ? WHHHHYYYYYYY ? WHYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY ? Ammar (Talk - Don't Talk) 20:24, 2 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Comment So I can nominate that article for AfD? Hey, I'm first for the day! Woo hoo! Clarityfiend 00:11, 3 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Comment hehe , yes , it includes the same reasons . Ammar (Talk - Don't Talk) 07:32, 3 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was delete. Sr13 06:09, 7 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Cozy Morley[edit]

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Chanllenged speedy deletion, (notability concerns) Evilclown93(talk) 20:03, 2 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was Speedy delete per CSD G8. Nishkid64 (talk) 21:53, 2 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Internet Security Measures[edit]

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Totally WP:OR TexasAndroid 19:58, 2 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was keep. Please note this is a nonadministrator close. The Evil Spartan 23:11, 8 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

ReCAPTCHA[edit]

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on the grounds of not notable and WP:SPAM Sycarr 19:54, 2 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

These two comments were on the talk page, and should probably be counted as votes:

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The result was Delete and protect as recreation of multiply-deleted article. Daniel Case 16:06, 7 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Francesca Ortolani[edit]

Like Kenny McCormack, this article has been deleted and keeps coming back lots of times and deleted again and needs to be stopped from recreation. Dr Tobias Funke 19:17, 2 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was Keep. NawlinWiki 20:07, 9 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Eleanor Shanley[edit]

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Does not take any clear hint why this person is notable and originally researchd. Dr Tobias Funke 19:13, 2 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Comment, but the page states her as a guest performer and not as a main performer as this is what I am getting the impression of. Dr Tobias Funke 22:51, 2 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was Keep (non-admin closure) — Caknuck 15:46, 5 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Carole Coleman[edit]

There is more news journalist that is more famous and she is famous for this Bush thing, henceforth not notable at all. Dr Tobias Funke 19:10, 2 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]


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The result was delete, I don't mind recreation, though. The subject is notable, but the article is unsourced so it's better to start again. Sr13 20:22, 7 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Declan Maxwell[edit]

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As I have seen the original nomination, I had to remoninate this as the person who originall ynominated it has a good reason to only he is stupid to call himself a sockpuppet, I mean why not have a user call himself a wikipedia vandal

The reason is, not notable, vanity article, originally sourced and only 763 ghits. Also anybody can write an Autobiography these days and get it published. Dr Tobias Funke 19:08, 2 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete due to unanimous consensus as unverifiable. Daniel Case 16:19, 7 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Tom Richards (football)[edit]

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Not notable; can't find any independent sources Cordless Larry 19:01, 2 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete, insufficient notability with a lack of references. Sr13 20:25, 7 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Just another illusion[edit]

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I don't find any coverage of this band in reliable sources, at least not in English. Their notability is not really asserted (or barely asserted)--it's not even clear if they actually cut an album. Bigtimepeace | talk | contribs 18:51, 2 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was Delete, neologism created by article author the day before he posted the article. NawlinWiki 20:09, 9 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Sanjaya effect[edit]

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Non notable neologism. --Daniel J. Leivick 18:44, 2 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Guys, have a heart. This concept is relevant and is going somewhere I assure you. It has been under discussion, by members of the political/technical community for sometime but lacked a name. Try and see past black and white orthodoxy and consider the relevancy and necessity of the principle itself. Thank you very much for your consideration hamilsizzle

Be serious hamil. This is a name that was created YESTERDAY and I suspect it is simply a way for the guy credited with coming up with the name to get his name on the net. If you believe that the concept is important, then the idea can be discussed on Sanjaya's page, if he has one (I have no desire to read about him so I don't know if he has one or not) and/or the American Idol page. Postcard Cathy 22:40, 2 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]
OOPS Hamil, you are the guy mentioned in the article! And might I add that the community you talk about is also the name of a section of your website?? Perhaps the political technical community you talk about are your friends and not the community at large? Postcard Cathy 22:43, 2 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

First off, thank you everyone for your input on this. This is my very first wikipedia entry, so it's a great learning experience about the community and the platform.

Postcard Cathy: the idea cannot be discussed on Sajaya's page because it is not about Sanjaya, we just use his name. The wisdom of crowds principle, which is what makes wikipedia work, and is the same principle behind what makes google work, says that large groups of people with a diverse body of opinions are predisposed to make the wisest decisions. Which is how a site like wikipedia can be opened to anyone to add content and committed wikipedians like you an others add their thoughts and opinions to help shape the final product.

But sometimes people game the system. With google, the practice is called a google bomb. There has been no definition for gaming another crowd-wise system like online voting.

I work for a member of congress and I and a group of people in the democratic political community are working on ways to use crowd wisdom technologies for things like developing public policy or voting on which questions to answer in an online town hall. This is where what I'm calling the sanjaya effect comes in. This would be like google bombing, but not on google...an attempt to artificially affect the outcome for humorous purposes through the crowd voting for the worst option as opposed to the best option.

So If I had my boss the congressman doing an online townhall, and the crowd voted to ask him a question on a salacious topic instead of a relevant one (much like a adolescent prank call), then that would be the sanjaya effect.

Sanjaya was an american idol contestant who was voted by the audience to stay on the show precisely because he was awful, and not good (and so many people found it funny that they continued to vote him on to stay).

I don't care about getting my name on the net and have removed the part of the definition that referred to me. I do believe that this is a relevant definition and an easy an important way for people in politics to describe a phenomenon they should be wary of when introducing web 2.0 technologies into politics.

Thank you for your time and for your consideration of this page.

Thanks for being civil, but you are missing the problem with the article. Myself and other have called the term non notable. Notability in the Wikipedia sense, largely refers to WP:N which stems from WP:V. In order for articles to be kept they must be sourced from reliable sources. As the subject of your article is a neologism that you invented a couple of days ago it is unlikely that sources discussing it exist. In general it is best to make sure that sources exist before creating an article. --Daniel J. Leivick 03:07, 3 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Daniel, understood. I will return with more references. Thank you for your assistance and your advice. --Hamilsizzle 13:44, 3 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Another name for this is market manipulation, but this is a very particular kind of manipulation (humor/nefarious) to a very particular kind of market (information). You guys are missing the forest for the trees here. I understand the need for references and will return.--Hamilsizzle 15:39, 4 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Now, "market manipulation" might warrant inclusion in Wikipedia, and the various types can probably work as sub-headings to describe particular factors and effects. Perhaps, since you have an interest there, you can spearhead this entry; it doesn't currently exist under that name. The "Sanjaya effect," on the other hand, does not seem to be a notable term for any phenomenon related to this kind of manipulation, and I will probably be surprised if you can find references (independent of yourself or internet blogs) that use it in the manner described by the current entry. ◄Zahakiel► 17:21, 4 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was delete. Sr13 20:31, 7 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Druids: Animalkin[edit]

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No references cited, can't find any hint that this game even exists. Probable hoax. Tim! 18:32, 2 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete due to unanimous consensus as hoax. Daniel Case 16:23, 7 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Bacterium(Doctor Who)[edit]

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Complete rubbish, but there is no speedy criterion which covers hoaxes. Tim! 18:28, 2 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Delete -- Hoax. Doctor Who is currently on its tenth doctor, this article claims to be about the twelfth. -- MisterHand 20:16, 2 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Delete - as far as I can see it's a complete fabrication. -- Hux 20:41, 2 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Delete - user:MrFijiax only seems to edit Wikipedia in order to create hoax Doctor Who related articles and add made up information to existing articles. BTW Tim!, I think his previous ones were speedied simply as ((db-nonsense)). Miremare 20:53, 2 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Delete - Hoax. Complete Rubbish --OZOO (What?) 09:58, 3 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was delete as spam. Should have been speedied originally, IMO. Daniel Case 16:25, 7 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Lattimore Records[edit]

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NN record label. Spam/advert, doesn't state notability Lugnuts 18:27, 2 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete as non-notable television event per Kalathalan. Daniel Case 16:30, 7 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

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Disney Channel's Wish Gone Amiss Weekend[edit]

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Poorly written article about a 1 night event on Disney Channel. Not Notable enough to have its own article. All it is, is a new episode of 3 of their series with similar plots. --Malevious Userpage •Talk Page• Contributions 18:13, 2 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete as nn and per previous speedy. Daniel Case 16:34, 7 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Nesto[edit]

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Surely a laudable effort, but no evidence for encyclopedic notability (no reliable independent sources, no hard facts like the number of members or the yearly budget). Note: A previous article at NESTO has been speedily deleted as "CSD A7 (not notable)" some months ago. See also Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Chaim Pelzner. High on a tree 18:09, 2 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was withdrawn by nominator. --Akhilleus (talk) 18:50, 2 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Six Ages of the World[edit]

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Contested prod. Article asserts significance of this chronological scheme, but doesn't show that it's important outside the work of St. Augustine, and doesn't provide evidence of its importance within Augustine's work. Searches on Google scholar turn up nothing useful, the Catholic Encyclopedia doesn't have an entry on this and doesn't mention it in the article on St. Augustine ([18]). Conte's History of Latin Literature doesn't mention the work this concept supposedly comes from (De catechizandis rudibus). Therefore, I don't think this conecept is notable, and I suspect there's a fair amount of original research in this article. --Akhilleus (talk) 18:06, 2 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

If there are other sources, I'm happy to withdraw the nomination. Six Ages of the World doesn't seem like the right title, though. --Akhilleus (talk) 18:39, 2 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was Delete ck lostsword•T•C 23:51, 7 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Chaim Pelzner[edit]

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No sources, no evidence of notability. (See also Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Nesto. Note: A previous article at NESTO has been speedily deleted as "CSD A7 (not notable)" some months ago.) High on a tree 18:03, 2 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was Delete ck lostsword•T•C 23:52, 7 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

GATS, Inc[edit]

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Non-notable company. The creator's other contributions are adding links to spectralcalc.com (registered to GATS, Inc.) to dozens of pages, and the creator's name matches the company's COO, i.e. COI. Delete Han-Kwang 17:38, 2 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was keep. Please note this is a nonadministrator close. The Evil Spartan 23:09, 8 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Nick Rosen[edit]

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Non-notable author. Prod tag removed by original author without comment. Delete'. DMG413 15:07, 24 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I believe the Author certainly is notable. He has generated a significant amount of public awareness to the Off-Grid campaign in the UK - including BBC TV news & radio interviews in May 2007 - and he has indeed had a colourful career in the liberal arts. Nick Rosen is an award-winning producer and an esteemed journalist - I believe he wrote several articles on the dawn of the Internet for The Times newspaper in the early nineties. I respectfully suggest that this does indeed makes him notable. One has only to conduct a search for "Nick Rosen" on Google for verifiable sources. This link points to an article for the Daily Telegraph: [19] and an article by the Times Online [20].

I propose that I edit article is edited for neutrality, to remove any suggestion of self-advertisement. Thank you. Nightfly1 12:13, 25 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so that consensus may be reached.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, -- Y not? 17:18, 2 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was delete. Sr13 04:28, 7 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Punktastic Recordings[edit]

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Article does not achieve WP:N. Part of a series of articles written by User:Punkkiddy of Punktastic Recordings designed to use Wikipedia as a platform for promotion. aliasd·U·T 16:56, 2 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. Sr13 04:25, 7 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Unmasking St. Minver[edit]

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The result was delete. Sr13 04:21, 7 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Hard Times, Late Nights..[edit]

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Article does not achieve WP:N. Part of a series of articles written by User:Punkkiddy of Punktastic Recordings designed to use Wikipedia as a platform for promotion. aliasd·U·T 16:55, 2 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. Sr13 04:23, 7 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Best Seat In The House[edit]

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Article does not achieve WP:N. Part of a series of articles written by User:Punkkiddy of Punktastic Recordings designed to use Wikipedia as a platform for promotion. aliasd·U·T 16:53, 2 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was Keep (non-admin closure) — Caknuck 15:44, 5 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Bishop McGuinness High School (Oklahoma)[edit]

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The result was delete. Sr13 21:02, 7 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Kneehigh/The Maple State[edit]

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The result was delete. Sr13 21:08, 7 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Punktastic Unscene 1[edit]

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The result was delete. Sr13 21:09, 7 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

At Least Until We've Settled In[edit]

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The result was delete. Sr13 21:11, 7 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Punktastic Unscene 2[edit]

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The result was delete. Sr13 21:12, 7 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Punktastic Unscene 3[edit]

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Article does not assert notability. Part of a series of articles written by User:Punkkiddy of Punktastic Recordings designed to use Wikipedia as a platform for promotion. aliasd·U·T 16:45, 2 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. Sr13 21:20, 7 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

The Maple State[edit]

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Article does not assert notability. Part of a series of articles written by User:Punkkiddy of Punktastic Recordings designed to use Wikipedia as a platform for promotion. aliasd·U·T 16:41, 2 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. Sr13 21:24, 7 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Chaser (band)[edit]

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Article does not assert notability and is promotional. Part of a series of articles written by User:Punkkiddy of Punktastic Recordings designed to use Wikipedia as a platform for promotion. aliasd·U·T 16:40, 2 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. Sr13 21:26, 7 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Day of Rising[edit]

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The result was delete. Sr13 21:05, 7 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Emad Khorasani[edit]

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My prod was contested since googling the poet gave the contester reason to believe the poet is notable. I disagree with that as a reason. One shouldn't have to google someone to figure out if they are notable or not. One should be able to read the article on the person at hand and see from that info that they are notable. This article has been around for a while and no one, not even the original author, has done anything to let us know that this guy is notable. They simply state he existed which IMHO is not wiki worthy. Unless the article is improved significantly before the time is up on this AFD, I say strong delete as unnotable with no sources. Postcard Cathy 16:36, 2 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was Keep (non-admin closure) — Caknuck 15:41, 5 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

The Movielife[edit]

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Article fails WP:N, also is unreferenced. Suspect label using WP as a platform for advertising. aliasd·U·T 16:22, 2 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]


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The result was Keep (non-admin closure) — Caknuck 15:39, 5 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I Am the Avalanche[edit]

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Article written as an advertisement, and fails WP:N, also is unreferenced. aliasd·U·T 16:20, 2 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]


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The result was speedily deleted by Anthony Appleyard. --Elkman (Elkspeak) 21:35, 2 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Robert_Stan[edit]

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Autobiographical page, should really be a user page VTSPOWER 15:56, 2 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Speedy delete Robert Stan as CSD:BIO. This one's a seventeen year old kid. Tagged it. Checking Robert Stanek.--Ispy1981 16:16, 2 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was Withdrawn by nominator (non-admin closure) — Caknuck 15:36, 5 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

P.Y.T. (Pretty Young Thing)[edit]

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Yet again another non-notable album track which user:Superior1 refuses to allow to be redirected to the album it comes from. Corvus cornix 15:37, 2 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Comment Well there aren't exactly guidelines on what warrants a song its own article. Superior1 06:51, 1 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

OK, I'm going to withdraw this, if it's okay with everybody else, it was a single, though it's only obvious by reading the non-prose headers. Corvus cornix 16:36, 2 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]


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The result was delete. Sr13 03:10, 7 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Borisav Knežević[edit]

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Contested Prod (prodded by myself); recreated by Boriswiki (talk · contribs) from Google cache, which I took as a contest to the prod. I restored the history now, which also contains references (in the form of x-links).
The article reads like a resume. It does not establish notability of the subject. Most of numerous "references" do not discuss the subject of the article at all; rather, they serve as kind of "wikilinks". I could not find anything by Google which would indicate the subject's notability and distinguish him from numerous government officials and lecturers. At best, they indicate that the article is true [21], [22], [23]. Which, I'm afraid, is not enough to satisfy WP:BIO. Duja► 14:52, 2 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. Sr13 03:08, 7 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Donald Trump Rosie O'Donnell Feud[edit]

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personal feelings about Trump aside, let's just say they are not good, I don't feel this is worthy of a stand alone article and feel it is best covered as a side note (if it is covered at all) in the articles on Trump and Rosie. Postcard Cathy 14:48, 2 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was Keep (non-admin closure) — Caknuck 15:33, 5 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Benjamin Bratton[edit]

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I have no knowledge of the subject to establish whether or not this is notable. In any case, it's in need of a serious tidy, but that's not why I'm putting this to AfD. Angus Lepper(T, C, D) 14:32, 2 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

STRONG KEEP You don't need any knowledge to know this is wiki worthy, assuming the info is accurate. Postcard Cathy 14:47, 2 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • I think it ought to have been speedied anyway - when nothing but one sentence is a copy-paste and there's no other article history, the offending version is still lingering in the article history and I don't like that. Anyway, still arging for delete unless someone wants to write a sourced article prior to closure. Arkyan &#149; (talk) 15:12, 2 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]
In the US, collegiate fencing is about as high as it comes. I don't even know if there are any competitions outside of international competitions. This discusses his international accomplishments. Corvus cornix 17:13, 2 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment looks handy with a pointy stick! Well, I find "Recently represented the U.S. as a member of the National Team at the World Championships in Turin, Italy" more notable than college achievements, and would be happy to rethink if someone could make the article verify the notability under WP:BIO. As it stands, it doesn't manage that at all. Thanks for your help explanation Oh Hooded One... The Rambling Man 17:18, 2 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment I've cleaned it further, so will be reconsidering... good effort to save this, to all you who contributed... The Rambling Man 18:14, 2 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • Weak keep (although I've spent too much of life on this already!!) - I've found sufficient verifiable sources to validate the notability of this. Just a quick note - if the article has zero sources, it has zero verifiability and is indefensible in my opinion. If y'all want to keep this or similar, I'd suggest being pro-active, like Mr Monroe, grab some sources, bang them in. It doesn't matter how untidy it is, as long as there's some verifiability there, bingo. So, to cut a long story short, keep it! The Rambling Man 20:08, 2 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]


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The result was Speedy delete in accordance with WP:CSD#G12. The page was tagged for speedy deletion, and has been deleted.[24] The deleting administrator has not closed this AfD, so I am closing it, as it no longer needs to be open. Acalamari 20:32, 2 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Raphael Elig[edit]

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does not appear to assert notability, but I don't know much about this topic so I figured I would not just prod/speedy it. Calliopejen1 14:03, 2 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. Sr13 03:06, 7 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Media portrayal of homosexuality[edit]

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While this could be a great article, it's currently nothing more than a list of lists, with a smattering of information that's duplicated in the lists and articles referred to. Should be deleted until someone writes an actual article about the subject. SatyrTN (talk | contribs) 13:36, 2 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

  • Delete: I'd be disappointed to throw out good work too, but this isn't it. A number of these citations aren't even about general homosexual themes as opposed to (as in the case, for instance, with most of those comics citations) being fictional works that just happen to include homosexual characters. Beyond that, "media portrayal" implies the mainstream news media, and any such article along these lines should more properly be named "Fictional portrayal of homosexuality." Why, look, there are already two: Lesbian literature and LGBT literature.  RGTraynor  16:12, 2 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was delete. Sr13 02:48, 7 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Eculture[edit]

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Prodded as Original Research, prod was removed for reasons not at all related to the subject of the prod. am AfDing mostly as a way to handle this without it turning into a series of added and removed prods. Weak Delete Improbcat 13:18, 2 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

eCulture is a construct upon, and advancement of, the typical corporate culture – in acclimatizing the modern organization for best success in the quickening business-technology environment.

No organization can thrive in today’s world without its technical supports - but increasingly, actual business survival involves managing an accelerating, even forced, evolution of critical technical empowerments.

If people insist on writing stuff like this, I will taunt them a second time. - Smerdis of Tlön 14:23, 2 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment. What it seems to be trying to say is, "Computers are so complicated! But you need them for your business. Therefore, if you want to make money, you're going to have to spend even more money, and I'm the guy you need to spend it on." Stated this way, the motive becomes too transparent, and the underpants gnome plan is too conspicuous. So the aspirant needs to re-cast his message into the sort of language this "article" uses. - Smerdis of Tlön 17:05, 2 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was delete ck lostsword•T•C 12:14, 9 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Josef Maršál[edit]

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Possibly non-notable painter and artist. All possible sources are in Czech, so I'm neutral. Anas talk? 13:07, 2 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was Speedy kept on withdrawal of nomination and WP:SNOWBALL. Well done to all who worked on this. Capitalistroadster 03:12, 3 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

John Deere tractor[edit]

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While this topic merits encyclopedic inclusion the current article is nothing but an advertisement for the John Deere Company. All references are to the company website and the article basically gives an overview of what products John Deere has to offer and gives a handy link to the company as well. The article, in its current form should be deleted unless someone can salvage it. I marked it as an ad almost a month ago and it has undergone no significant changes. IvoShandor 12:15, 2 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Looks like a blatant ad to me. I don't know if any of that content is even salvageable. Have at it, I know nothing about tractors. IvoShandor 13:05, 2 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Its a blantant ad, that's enough. IvoShandor 22:56, 2 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]
An article like this need not describe every product. John Deere tractors are so integral in agricultural history that this article doesn't even come close to being encyclopedic, I will not withdraw the nomination. I hope someone fixes it, it's a shame that this kind of content is allowed to stay here. IvoShandor 22:52, 2 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]
this puzzles me--you say it is critically important , and therefore want to delete it? DGG 03:24, 3 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]
This is my point, there is plenty to put in an article besides a rewrite of their catalog. IvoShandor 22:59, 2 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]
I have removed almost all content, anyone want to try a rewrite? That was an ad, no matter how you paint it, tagged as such a month ago, no one cared about it then, which led me to believe the article would never be cleaned up, ever, remaining an ad for John Deere, I had no choice but to AfD it, if it gets saved all the better, I stubified it, anyone with knowledge of the history of the tractor should attack it. An encyclpedic topic doesn't make the content encyclopedic.IvoShandor 22:54, 2 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]
With the article stubified I will withdraw my nomination, provided someone doesn't revert my change. IvoShandor 23:01, 2 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]
I am not sure what to do next, remove the template? Is that okay? IvoShandor 01:50, 3 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was Delete -- would merge to Current characters of Neighbours, but there's nothing here to merge -- just a one-sentence article saying "Caleb Maloney is a character played by...". NawlinWiki 20:13, 9 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Caleb Maloney[edit]

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DELETE - This is a minor character who will only be on the show for a short time. Kogsquinge 22:20, 25 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was Snow delete. —« ANIMUM » 15:09, 2 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Eclectic probability[edit]

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Unsourced article that makes rather extravagant claims. Unless these can be backed up this article should be removed.--Cronholm144 14:22, 29 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. Sr13 04:40, 7 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Flight 952[edit]

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Apparent fake incident; no mention of accident in Aviation Safety Network or Airdisaster.com databases or any returns for Google searches. This diff claims 16 fatalities, but as in the article no source(s) are provided. Lipsticked Pig 06:33, 29 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete, it's just a copy-and-paste, no reason to let it stay for 5 days. Punkmorten 08:18, 3 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Svetla Yablanska[edit]

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The result was delete don't redirect; writing Karen Taylor (fictional character) to get a redirect to Nia Peeples is unlikely. Sr13 04:47, 7 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Karen Taylor (fictional character)[edit]

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DELETE This is only a minor recurring character. Not notable per Wikipedia standards. Kogsquinge 23:15, 28 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was Delete. NawlinWiki 20:16, 9 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Kaylee (Y&R)[edit]

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DELETE. This character appeared once, in April, and does not look likely to appear on the show again. Kogsquinge 01:23, 29 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. - Mailer Diablo 06:26, 8 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

North Hills Village[edit]

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This article should be deleted on the grounds that no sources are cited (not even the mall's own website, if there is one). Also, there is a notability issue with this mall as it appears to be a standard mall. For this reason, I believe this article should be deleted.— Preceding unsigned comment added by HoustonWeHaveAProblem (talk • contribs) 13:56, 1 July 2007

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The result was No consensus to delete, default is keep JodyB talk 20:56, 10 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Oregon Institute of Science and Medicine[edit]

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This page is little more than a PR rewrite describing the actions of a small group of people. Dakdakdak 04:03, 1 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Wait, now I'm just confused. --Maxamegalon2000 14:23, 2 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was keep - notability established. Only delete argument is WP:JNN. Please note this is a nonadministrator close. The Evil Spartan 23:07, 8 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Pageflakes[edit]

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  • After seeing a few reviews which show PageFlakes is one of the top three start page sites, it seems notable enough for me. It may be competing niche market, but by no means in an insignificant one. --soum talk 08:28, 2 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was Delete. NawlinWiki 18:05, 10 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Prue Brown[edit]

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DELETE. This character will only be a short-term guest. Not notable per Wikipedia standards. A mention in Frazer Yeats and Ringo Brown would be enough. Kogsquinge 06:51, 2 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

DELETE. Not notable. --Bill.matthews 16:12, 2 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

DELETE As per above. Hardcore gamer 48 09:15, 9 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was Already renamed. NawlinWiki 20:19, 9 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Simulation Hypothesis[edit]

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Rename to Simulation hypothesis --Sapphic 01:36, 30 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete all except those withdrawn by the nominator. —Kurykh 00:00, 11 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Jim Ledbetter[edit]

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:Philip Bailey (statistician) (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) (nominator wishes to withdraw this nomination)

Andrew Hignell (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views)
Douglas Miller (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views)
Richard Isaacs (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views)

:Robert Brooke (statistician) (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) (nominator wishes to withdraw this nomination)

Dennis Lambert (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views)
Tony Woodhouse (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views)
David Harvey (statistician) (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views)
Philip Thorn (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views)
Jerry Lodge (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views)
Les Hatton (statistician) (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views)
Kit Bartlett (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views)
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--BlackJack | talk page 12:08, 2 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Stephen Turner (Talk) 15:21, 2 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Comment. I would be in favour (but I know some people who wouldn't)!! Seriously, I think a lot more information is needed about Brooke as my knowledge of him is that he was the editor and, er, "book reviewer" for the ACS' own journal. If he has done more than that it needs to be in the article. --BlackJack | talk page 17:28, 2 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]
I'll see if I can add something to his article. Hopefully I can find a citation for the Cricketer Quarterly editorship. (This was a statistical supplement to The Cricketer which could be bought independently of the magaizine.) JH (talk page) 18:36, 2 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Amazon has several books by Brooke. His columns were made into a book in the late 1980s but it is not listed there. Vic Isaacs was the co-author (with Bill Frindall) of Wisden Book of One day cricket - the counterpart of the much more famous book on Test cricket. The first edition came out in 1985, don't know whether there were more editions. Amazon has a small Hants records book.
I've now expanded Robert Brooke with as much material as a brief search on the web would turn up. The new Bibliography section includes all of his books that Amazon UK are aware of. I found an online article from an issue of The Times from somewhen in 2003, saying that he was statistician and historian for The Cricketer. He may well still be so, but I don't have any evidence for that. JH (talk page) 19:31, 2 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was delete. Sr13 01:57, 7 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Professor Coldheart[edit]

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Non-notable character from obscure TV show. Gammondog 11:20, 2 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was Delete. NawlinWiki 20:21, 9 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Daniel Friedmann, Politician[edit]

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Non notable - politician running for a minor office. Trugster 10:15, 2 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was Speedy delete by Evilclown93 under A7 critera. --Hetar 23:29, 2 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Ganesan Velayathan[edit]

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Doesn't assert notability well, no verification. east.718 09:57, 2 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was Speedy delete by Anthony Appleyard under CSD A7 criteria. --Hetar 23:31, 2 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Saad imtiaz[edit]

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Not notable. WP:SPA creator removed ((db-bio)) tag. east.718 09:56, 2 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was Keep. Arguments for deletion cite possible WP:COI issues, which has been disputed if not refuted, and is not supported by evidence, and WP:SOAP and WP:NPOV issues, which can be handled by rewriting rather than deletion -- the move is a reasonable start on that. Arguments for keeping establish notability by means of press coverage, and discussions of usefulness where are really not to the point. Note that "merge" is a form of "keep", and a possible future merge can always be done without an AfD provided that there is consensus on the relevant talk page or pages. DES (talk) 17:29, 11 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Katherine Phillips -> Katherine Phillips detention incident[edit]

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Talk:Katherine Phillips says: This page should not be deleted as it describes the pitfalls of teaching overseas if a teacher comes into conflict with a student from an influential family. Unlawful detention of overseas workers is a violation of human rights and articles like this which illustrate the dangers serve to benefit humanity at large. Further, this article is a helpful reminder to American ex-pats that they should not depend on their embassy to assist them when they are being unlawfully detained. The case detailed in this article is cited by a regional and international news organization and is being widely discussed in various Internet educational discussion forums. [http://www.google.com/search?sourceid=navclient&ie=UTF-8&rls=GFRD,GFRD:2007-03,GFRD:en&q=kuwait+katherine+phillips

08:18, 2 July 2007 Anthony Appleyard 09:17, 2 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Are you saying merge with Human rights in Kuwait? The article in discussion is not an article about the general human rights track record of Kuwait. MrZaiustalk 19:31, 2 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Please read WP:SOAP. Corvus cornix 20:09, 2 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • As well as WP:NOT. Despite the persistent efforts of many of Wikipedia's critics to push this encyclopedia into becoming an advocacy forum for this cause or that, I'm afraid that, in fact, it remains an encyclopedia.  RGTraynor  20:43, 2 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Obviously Wikipedia is not meant to be a soap box, but even a rich article about a past and current controversy can and should influence opinion despite being written from a NPOV. Slavery. Genocide. Human rights abuses. Cold hard numbers can speak volumes. Regarding the case of one detained educator, putting a face on one incident of worker abuse does not, in my opinion, cross the line from encyclopedic information source to advocacy. WP:SOAP allows as much, ". . .Of course, an article can report objectively about (advocacy etc), as long as an attempt is made to approach a neutral point of view." The article, influenced by useful comments here has been heavily revised and moved to Katherine Phillips detention incident and should be deleted from simply Katherine Phillips (where it conflicts with a 17th century poet of the same name)User:Davidallenoliver I do need admin help with a redirect. Thanks 06:17, 3 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Katherine Phillips has been redirected toKatherine Phillips detention incidentOliver 13:59, 4 July 2007 (UTC)
For future reference, please review "merging or moving the article during the discussion [at]...the guide to deletion" per the AfD template. It is generally preferred to let the person closing the discussion implement the selected fix. MrZaiustalk 14:33, 4 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was Redirected to Melanie Brown#Personal life. NawlinWiki 12:12, 11 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Jimmy Gulzar[edit]

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Non-encyclopedic chap - was previously a redirect to Mel B, which I believe is no longer worth it Petesmiles 08:22, 2 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

*Redirect Keep Canley has done fine work in updating /- unless someone can be bothered to add > 1 line about him Kernel Saunters 12:55, 2 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

  • Comment: Actually, no. As I stated in my reversion of your removal of almost all the article's content, WP:BLP calls for the removal of poorly sourced or completely unsourced contentious material, and specifies that sources used must be of high quality. Each and every one of the sourced statements you removed were from the BBC or CNN. You cannot claim that those sources are suspect.  RGTraynor  04:42, 3 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment: There are no blp issues as far as I can see Kernel Saunters 09:05, 3 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]
PS I've removed the BLP violations. Please do not revert without a consensus to do so (i.e. Keep). Avb ÷ talk 10:04, 4 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • That's fine, but why did you remove the BBC press release about the documentary? That doesn't violate WP:BLP, surely. I hope you didn't just delete everything except the first line. --Canley 11:53, 4 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • Not as a source, no; like most of what I wiped, this item is verifiable. Ideally the article should be deleted and/or redirected straight away; I only left a neutral stub for the duration of the AfD. The problem is that we need more diverse information for a bio. Perhaps it helps if you ask yourself what you would want your own bio to look like. To me this is in the spirit of WP:BLP; but its letter is also informative. See e.g. here. Also note that a redirect can be done keeping the history intact, so that it would be easier to retrieve if the article can be revived at some point in the future if we have enough information to write a true biography. Avb ÷ talk 13:01, 4 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • OK, thanks for the explanation. --Canley 14:02, 4 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • I agree... I didn't add that by the way! --Canley 12:21, 4 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was speedily deleted. enochlau (talk) 07:37, 2 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

CD Publishing[edit]

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Seemigly non-notable. Has been deleted once before under notability guidelines. For a publishing company their site only lists 11 books. No news stories that I can locate, no evidence of any notability. Ben W Bell talk 07:15, 2 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. - Mailer Diablo 06:27, 8 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Master Hughes[edit]

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I call WP:BIO - Non-notable self advertisment Peter Rehse 07:08, 2 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was keep. Please note this is a nonadministrator close. The Evil Spartan 23:04, 8 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

TAPPI[edit]

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Clear Conflict of interest; author's username = article name and he has 4 edits as of my writing this. I honestly can't tell, without references, whether this group is notable, but the burden of proof rests with the author. I am also nominating the following miscellany:

User:TAPPI - similar content as the article.

Shalom Hello 07:06, 2 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was Delete All. The consensus is clear. Those firms that may ber actually notable can have new articles written by editors not in violation of WP:COI. If any such editor wants any of these articels userfied for reference i will provide it. DES (talk) 17:12, 11 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

21 Ventures[edit]

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Blatant COI by User:Danthony21 (presumably the David Anthony listed on 21 Ventures' management team), on 21 Ventures and its companies Dicklyon 06:39, 2 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I am also nominating the following related pages because they are all about private companies funded by 21 Ventures (Or their product), and all were created by Danthony21:

BioNanoMatrix (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views)
Juice Wireless (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views)
JuiceCaster (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views)
Orion Solar (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views)
Addendum: You might as well throw in
BioPetroClean (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views)
another of 21 Ventures' investments, though this article is originally the work of Yfrimer (talk · contribs), for which this constitutes his entire contribution to Wikipedia. --Calton | Talk 16:15, 3 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • Based on what? The article's only refs are some press releases and a trade magazine announcement that clearly started out as a press release. Wikipedia doesn't really do faith-based notability. --Calton | Talk 16:15, 3 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]
I did not have time to check out Orion. --A. B. (talk) 22:30, 7 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was Merged and redirected to List of magical objects in Gargoyles. NawlinWiki 00:34, 11 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Phoenix Gate[edit]

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The article is on a fictional object with no sources to establish real world significance. Jay32183 02:39, 22 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

  • The source for the information is the television show. Primary sources are acceptable for factual, neutral information. The paragraph that exists in the "magical objects" article is likely sufficient in which case a redirect will accomplish what I mentioned, but I suggest "merge/redirect" to allow for some discretion there. Arkyan &#149; (talk) 21:58, 22 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so consensus may be reached.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, DES (talk) 06:09, 2 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was Delete. NawlinWiki 18:10, 10 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

(Edward) Michael Porrazzo[edit]

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Blatant coi, self-promotion, and such Dicklyon 06:07, 2 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Comment- The article seems to fit the notability guideline however the conflict of interest does come into play. I would suggest deleting it and having it re-written from a neutral point of view more suitable for wikipedia with less copyrighted text etc. So therefor I suggest...Wikidudeman (talk) 09:48, 3 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Conforms? I thought that required refs to sources. Even his sock puppet hasn't helped there. Dicklyon 06:17, 2 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]
I did. Wikidudeman (talk) 09:48, 3 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]
This article is, of course, blatant coi. That guideline points out that while coi "is not a reason to delete an article...lack of notability is." Mr. Porrazzo has invented some interesting devices, which might bring him fame in the future, but thus far his work does not seem to have garnered strong public recognition. Therefore, I recommend that we delete this article, and the associated images (1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8), all of which will be orphaned if this article is deleted. Tualha (Talk) 03:14, 9 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was Delete. NawlinWiki 12:14, 11 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Ranma Vol. 32[edit]

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Can't recall that an individual volumes of manga were notable. Article is entirely recaps of each chapter, a possible violation of WP:NOT. No reliable sources. NeoChaosX (talk, walk) 05:47, 2 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

  • Individual books in a series are indeed notable enough for their own articles. Certainly, it's not the standard way of organizing information on manga series, but as I laid out above, there should be no notability issue here. Have any other reason that I didn't address which you're using to say it's not notable? --tjstrf talk 03:22, 3 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • Same reason individual DVDs aren't notable. Is there any 3rd party info on them? Is there something that makes it stand out from the other 31 volumes? Individual books often have 3rd party RS, and if they don't they stay within the author or series's article. --Malevious Userpage •Talk Page• Contributions 03:28, 3 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • RS of what? The book's existence, or critical reviews and the like? The first is incredibly simple to find, the second would probably require a magazine archive but still almost certainly exists since Ranma is a rather major series (though in my opinion, it doesn't deserve it). In fact, reviews are far more commonly done on a volume-by-volume basis than for series as a whole. As for individual DVDs not being notable, groups of 5 of them are. --tjstrf talk 03:39, 3 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • Critical reviews and such, it's obvious that it exists considering I have it. We already have a lists of manga chapters. I don't see any need to separate then by volumes, especially since not all volumes contain the same chapters. Volumes differ between countries and companies who translate them. --Malevious Userpage •Talk Page• Contributions 15:54, 3 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was delete. Sr13 01:53, 7 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Aikido Shinju-kai[edit]

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Not that notable Aikido club - advertisement Peter Rehse 05:46, 2 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was the numerical result would be "Delete". The arguments for deletion are a challenge to notability, and suggestions that the content would be better as part of other arguments, and an implicit suggestion of "undue weight". The notability arguments are refuted by the mention of the scholarly account, if not by the fame of the people involved. What remains is a good argument for merging, but not for deletion. but since no one was arguing for a merge per se that can not be the consensus result. So i am closing this as No Consensus. Note that a merge and redirect can be done at any time without an AfD. DES (talk) 17:04, 11 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Petrarch's testamentum[edit]

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Petrarch's testamentum (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD)

Article is about Petrarch's last will and testament. Doesn't assert notability, and I don't think the will of a famous person is automatically an encyclopedic subject. First paragraph is copied verbatim from this website, without attribution; the rest seems to be copied from public domain sources, but I must admit some anxiety as to whether any text is copied from the Mommsen edition listed in the "reference" section. --Akhilleus (talk) 05:24, 2 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

take a look at the entry for 1370 on that website. It's the same as the first paragraph in this article, with the exception of the phrase "besides his son-in-law Francescuolo da Brossano as the executor of the estate". The date and identity of heirs are uncopyrightable, but the individual wording of these facts, such as "His heirs, among others, are Gherardo (his brother), Boccaccio..." are copyrightable. The point is that the creator of this article makes a habit of taking snippets from other websites, altering the text superficially, and copying it into Wikipedia.
As for merging back into Petrarch, I think it would be easy, because Petrarch's testamentum includes very little significant material that's not already covered in other articles. Let's go paragraph by paragraph:
So, I think it would be simplicity itself to take the useful content from this article and put it in the biographical article where it belongs. After that I would delete this article, because I don't think it's a useful redirect--will many people search for "Petrarch's testamentum"? --Akhilleus (talk) 15:23, 2 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]
However they would quite likely search for Petrarch's Will or Petrarch's Last Will, or Petrarch's Last Will and Testament, or maybe even Petrarch's testament - redirects already in place.--Doug talk 22:39, 2 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]
And as part of the deletion, these can be amended to point to Petrarch. Septentrionalis PMAnderson 14:05, 3 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Note Petrarch's library. --Akhilleus (talk) 15:23, 2 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]
I also am confused on the listing of the names, which I feel also are uncopyrightable facts. If it is in fact just the objection of the wording: ""His heirs, among others, are Gherardo (his brother), Boccaccio..." - it so happens if you look closely at the article, this wording is not used. The actual wording is "His heirs, among others besides his son-in-law Francescuolo da Brossano as the executor of the estate, are Gherardo (his brother), Giovanni Boccaccio..." This wording certainly can be reworded, if it is a good faith dispute.
There is no text copied from this book, so this is just speculation from Akhilleus to make the article look bad. It so happens that I scanned all pages of this book when I was studying it. If anyone wants a particular page I will be glad to e-mail to them -or- they can get a copy at their local library (or through ILL) or at a large University library (most have a copy). It should be noted that the article has never been edited by any Wikipedian since its introduction in May. Petrarch and anything related to Petrarch is read daily by several Wikipedians as well as many scholars worldwide. If there was truely any objections to any of these nit-picky points, somebody would have said something before and certainly brought it up. This shows that it is not really a community consenses of the objection to the article itself, but just basicaly a venting by Akhilleus because of a previous outcome of an article he elected to be deleted. This now is even in dispute as some feel he has circumvented the AFD process by just redirecting the article rather than going through the recommended process.--Doug talk 17:43, 2 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]
It's really not civil to accuse other editors of acting in bad faith. I'd appreciate it if you retracted that accusation. --Akhilleus (talk) 17:47, 2 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Let me point out that I am just interested in working on articles in good faith. I have no particular interest in trying to delete others articles or make any particular person look bad (as I personnally do not know them), however am interested in improving all Wikipedia article and policies. As a matter of fact I have never elected an article to be deleted. I would rather contribute in good faith to improve articles. However sometimes there may be a rule or part not quite right. Usually this is minor and it is always unintentional, since I am not trying to circumvent anything. I would even dare to say other Wikipedians make similar mistakes. Just edit in good faith, as I am doing just that. Then perhaps we wouldn't have all these hot disputes. I believe my points will stand, since the article that you didn't get a favorable conclusion on of that you wanted of being to Delete it, however it was an end result of Keep on 30 June. On 2 July then you decided that several of the articles I started should be deleted or completely reworked. Does that sound like good faith? Does wording like "I must admit some anxiety as to whether any text is copied from the Mommsen edition listed in the "reference" section" when you don't know that for a fact. When you make statements like that, please be specific as to which text you think I copied from his book. I have all pages scanned, so I could double check your accusations and implications. Which text are you talking about, page number please - or is that also just implications? Please keep to these particular subjects at hand, thanks.--Doug talk 18:22, 2 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Yep, in good faith, I think that Petrarch's testamentum, and many of the other articles you've contributed, aren't appropriate content for Wikipedia. Since I've already turned up one instance where you've plagiarized copyrighted text (on Genealogia deorum gentilium [39]), I think I'm in the right to worry that you've done it in other places, especially since the first paragraph of this article is a near-copy of text from another website. Only the phrase "besides his son-in-law Francescuolo da Brossano as the executor of the estate" breaks up what is otherwise a direct quote. Since the text is given without quotation marks and attribution, this is plagiarism. It's not very severe, but it is still copying someone else's text. --Akhilleus (talk) 18:32, 2 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Ok, I've rewritten the first paragraph to avoid plagiarism. Anyone curious about the copyright issue will need to look at this old version of the article, and compare to this website (check the year 1370). --Akhilleus (talk) 18:37, 2 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]
I hope that you are not going repeat the canard that by editing the article I have changed my vote to keep, as you did at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Birthday of alpinism. Rest assured that I edited the article from a belief that plagiarism is a bad thing, and it should be removed from Wikipedia as quickly as feasable. I still think the best way to "improve" this article is to place the few sentences that are relevant in Plutarch and then to delete Petrarch's testamentum. --Akhilleus (talk) 19:46, 2 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Would that then go under Parallel Lives or Plutarch's influences?--Doug talk 21:46, 2 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks for the additional improvements to this article of Petrarch's testamentum.--Doug talk 21:46, 2 July 2007 (UTC) And adding the word "among."--Doug talk 22:45, 2 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was delete. —Kurykh 00:10, 11 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Christmas tree (bodybuilding)[edit]

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This article is incredibly short and I see no possibility it could ever be explained. It needs to be merged with one of numerous bodybuilding articles. There's no reason for it to exist as a separate article. Numerous other articles probably already contain the same information, which is simply a sentence. Wikidudeman (talk) 05:05, 2 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was No consensus, defaulting to Keep. NawlinWiki 20:26, 9 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Polemic[edit]

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Article is origional research and dictionary definition. No source after 4 years, and no encyclopediac content beyond definition. SefringleTalk 04:46, 2 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was Merged and redirected to Hitman (series)#International Contract Agency (ICA). NawlinWiki 00:47, 11 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

International Contract Agency[edit]

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Mostly Original Research. The stuff that isn't is trivial and mentioned elsewhere DurinsBane87 04:44, 2 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was Delete ck lostsword•T•C 23:55, 7 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Emhs[edit]

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Nom - non-notable high school forum website. Fails WP:WEB. Lacks reliable sources. Rklawton 04:41, 2 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was keep. Please note this is a nonadministrator close. The Evil Spartan 23:01, 8 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Voice Male[edit]

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This is a second nomination--still appears to be based 100% on WP:OR. Probably self-promotion. SESmith 04:36, 2 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

  • It is considered good form to include a link to the old discussion. Morgan Wick 04:53, 2 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep, but it could certainly use a bit more support. A quick search shows that they are notable enough for inclusion. The article just needs work. -- Bigwyrm 07:48, 2 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]
    • Addendum! I added a few references. The page still needs work, though. -- Bigwyrm 08:16, 2 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • Tentative keep A big number of albums means squat if it's not on a fairly large label, but it does appear to have coverage in multiple independent sources. Morgan Wick 08:36, 2 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep. Fairly well known within their field. -Tim Rhymeless (Er...let's shimmy) 20:52, 2 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • Note: This debate has been included in the list of Bands and musicians-related deletions. -- John Vandenberg 12:02, 7 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • Note: This debate has been included in the list of Utah-related deletions. -- John Vandenberg 12:03, 7 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was Delete. Keep arguments amount to "I like it", "Other stuff exists", and "its useful", none of them policy-based. delete arguments are policy based. If anons are discounted, the numerical consensus is also clear. DES (talk) 16:44, 11 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

The Honch[edit]

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This article is a meandering list of entirely non-notable places to eat and places to drink reviewed by people who like to frequent them. The fact there's an area of town popular with foreign military can be summed up in one or two sentences on the relevant city page ShizuokaSensei 04:31, 2 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

  • Delete. Wikipedia is not a travel guide for the U.S. Navy. The two intro paragraphs of this are present (verbatim) in the Wikitravel article on Yokosuka, which is where the rest of the article should go. Deor 12:13, 2 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete. For the above reasons - fails what Wiki is NOT. ShizuokaSensei 12:54, 2 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]


keep it here

i think it should stay here or at least in the travel guide to Yokosuka as a guide of the nightlife district in yokosuka for forigers, also it is what wikipedia is all about and just listing the basics and not going into too much detail about the place and just giving the "pedia" of the place and to let people know whats there and if the want to got there or not. it is very basic in its words and understanding and also gives insight into what this bar district is. keep it here

Just some notes from the Wikipedia policies page. Something to think about.
1) Before nominating an AfD, Consider adding a tag such as cleanup, disputed or expert-subject instead; this may be preferable if the article has some useful content.
2) Before nominating a recently created article, please consider that many good articles started their Wikilife in pretty bad shape. Unless it is obviously a hopeless case, consider sharing your reservations with the article creator, mentioning your concerns on the article's discussion page, and/or adding a "cleanup" template, instead of bringing the article to AfD.

If this battle to keep this article separate is doomed to be lost, why not add a section in the Yokosuka city article, for "The Honch" and redirect this article to that? Although from reading into the Honch, and reading the yokosuka article, I really do think it should be kept separate. 206.39.111.20 04:30, 5 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I agree. I think it should stay on here. There are a number of articles of very similar subject matter on Wikipedia, and I do agree that the information provided is useful in many more ways than a 'travel guide.' Take a lok at the Las Vegas Strip article. Why not restructure this article in a similar way? The Honch, albeit smaller, is definitely in the same category as the Strip. And there's difinitely not a lack of information to be found on this neighborhood. It would be interesting to see it all consolidated here into something more useful, and separate from the Yokosuka article; I think it warrants that. Especially by emphasizing the historical importance in addition to it's modern appeal. Several rather important agreements (at the end of WWII) were signed in the buildings of Dobuita street outside the Naval Base between Allied and Japanese officials. I don't know much other than seeing the plaques outside some of the buildings, but I'll do more research into that. I think it would be a waste to delete this article. Being stationed here, I've realized how famous the neighborhood is, by the emails and questions I get from friends and acquaintances back home. S. Hulce 04:40, 5 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

- Added a 'History' section, could use some help adding content. Hoping to make this article more 'encyclopedic' to meet Wiki standards. Hoping that the end result will just use the original article as a small subsection of the whole article. S. Hulce 05:04, 5 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

  • Comment. The comments by S. Hulce above are part of a transclusion from the article's talk page made by 206.39.111.20. Just wanted to clarify that S. Hulce didn't actually bother to come here to register an opinion. Deor 16:45, 5 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete. Some of this material would look to be useful on Wikitravel's page/s about the location and should be written up there forthwith. As it stands, this is simply uncited, subjective reviews of places to have a good time, which is not what you might call encyclopedic. If there are citations underlining the importance of the district, then they should be added here. That would suggest that the article would need to be rewritten, though, since all it says here is that people get drunk there. BigHaz - Schreit mich an 12:32, 5 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep it here! - I definitely see the encyclopedic value of this article. I wasn't aware that it was Wikipedia's policy to delete articles that merely need some work/additions to bring it up to standards! This shouldn't even be a debate! Some background, inclusion of historical significance would make it a great article and a great read. Dobuita street/the honch is famous worldwide, I'd heard about it from my grandfather who was stationed in the Pacific in WWII, and that's how I found this article.— 125.14.180.11 (talk) has made few or no other edits outside this topic.
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The result was Delete, even discounting my Delete entry below. NawlinWiki 20:28, 9 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Theme park builder 3d[edit]

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Not notable no references Dureo 04:33, 2 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

  • 'Don't Delete Well I might be part of the project I strongly fell that it deserves to have an entry. This game is not just an idea that a few people came up with and decided lets see I we can pull this off but has actually been extremely thought out and by people in the know including professional programmers how will be working on the project. This game is going to happen and is going to be deserving of a page here wether now or latter. I also fell we deserve to have this page because we are working to produce a free, open source game with no strings attached that every one can enjoy, which is similar to what this site is based on providing a resource for people to use and change free of charge. So I fell that if you say that our project is not deserving of a page then you really don't want to support the same belief of free resources which is what has made this site what it is today. In a world of mass companies and corporate politics its up to the creators of these free projects to stick together and help each other to show others that there are people left how actually care abut there product and not just the moony there making off of it. Heck the whole inspiration for this game which now started over a year ago was because of fans of a certain park building game that were feed up with the lack of support and cooperate politics that was making the game that they invested in (by buying) left in sate of much need improvement and decided sense we cant fix the game our self lets just make something by our selves that will have everything we ever wanted in a theme park simulation game. Coaster sim. fan
  • Delete per nom plus the fact that the game does not seem to have been released yet. Also, the people behind this game seem to be aware of the article [40], most likely because the person who created it is also involved in the project, so be prepared for off-wiki canvassing of keep !votes. MartinDK 06:11, 2 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete non-notable. --Fredrick day 12:45, 2 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete. Wikipedia is not a crystal ball. --Jacques Pirat Talk 16:14, 2 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • Don't Delete It's a big game in progress and it deserves a wikipedia article. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 216.164.48.112 (talk • contribs) — 216.164.48.112 (talk) has made few or no other edits outside this topic.
  • Don't Delete The game has existing coding and models for rides and scenery. Many coders and modelers are participating and the game is in its 5th Game Design Document revision. A check of the existing TPB3D forums will show that the project is moving along at a fast rate. It was noted at the start that this largest project in the history of Open Source Software would be on a two to three year schedule, but too much already exists. I urge you to check out the http://www.tpb3d.net forums and see the actual progress that exists. -- Slickdude 9:02, 4 July 2007 (UTC)
  • Don't Delete This game is community project that deserves the right to a wiki article. This project is non profit and is beginning to grow at a rapid rate, this community based project has been recognized by so many of the gaming community and should also be recognised for it here. If you check the TPB3D forums you will notice that it is not just a mere idea, rides are being created and many other objects are being made as we speak. The coding is starting to go together. This is simply not a day out of people attempting to do the impossible, this is happening and happening now. -- User: surfingoz 2:10, 5 July 2007 (NSW)
this is not a vote - the only arguments for keep being made are 1) it exists (which we know and nobody doubts) and 2) it will be important in the future - neither of those are valid policy reasons for keeping. The only way the article will be kept is if multiple independent sources are found that demonstrate that it is notable. So getting people from the forum to come over and repeat the same ILIKEIT arguments is a waste of everyone's time --Fredrick day 06:05, 5 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • This is a response of common sense - Wikipedia is an everything knowledge encyclopedia mixture. The purpose of wikipedia is to have information on significant things and even less significant things. This is a major significance. Sir, if you remove knowledge and information are you not defeating the very reason for wikipedias existence which is information and knowledge? I think that "The largest project in sourceforge" history is quite significant. As for insulting other's participation, they participated because common sense has been substituted for communism sense. Wikipedia lives or dies by its growth and this is a part of history that is being made. When you say notable sources you refer to a college institution or a gaming magazine I presume or perhaps the President of the United States all of which could be notable and independent. Some one's aun't could be considered notable, could they not and they could be independent too. Your comments do not hold water, in fact judging Frederick Day by your comments, a wiki could be destroyed on the most ludicrous of reasons couldn't it. But the end result is the destruction of significant information and a tiny piece of the wiki not being there. So again if you want to destroy the wikipedia community this is a first step...I am always amused and surprised at how many people do the worst things to themselves Slickdude 11:22, 4 July 2007
  • You deleter's win. I just deleted my original wiki topic. In fact it would be best to remove this valuable information from the community. I don't think you or this community are worthy of such information as this. We will install our own software and boost it in the search engines, but I honestly am going to give you guys exactly what you want, and the best thing about my decision is that the TPB3D community wins and wins big, because they are a much larger group of people. The truth is that this has been deleted and marked over and over again and harassment after harassment and for who? Your amusement. Heck, we have high enough search engine rankings by just the forums and I can quickly get a separate wikipedia software going and rapidly get it searched in high rankings without your folks pompass attitudes and harassment over some important information. We don't lose, but your community does, because now they do not have the information anymore. So now its easy enough. Go ahead and delete my original topic from your system and get it over with, cause the TPB3D community will have the very last laugh. Slickdude 11:37, 4 July 2007
    • Okey-dokey. If it ever meets the Wikipedia standards for notability, I'm sure someone outside of the project will create a new article, and that one won't be deleted. Propaniac 12:17, 5 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete - non-notable. I don't see any references to this project anywhere of any substance that would justify leaving it. Also, I'd classify the article as spam since it seems to be nothing more than an advertising pitch for the project. Drachemorder 19:44, 5 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • Actually I will ask the TPB3D community personally to forego putting TPB3D in here. We already got our own wikipedia going and it will be bumped up in the search engines too, se we don't need people acting like morons because they have nothing great in their lives and like to laud power over others. Yeah you may have rules, but like district Judge in the United States once said, if we enforced every rule on the books, people wouldn't be able to live anymore. That is what is happening here. You have attacked this project from one end of the spectrum to the other. Have you ever considered that wiki is about knowledge and that by removing knowledge especially when it is significant it goes against what this was intended for. A bunch of people have made up so many rules that those very rules negate and trample the very purpose of what the wiki is supposed to be. In an ironic sense, I can see why the wiki idea in the long run will be doomed because your rules being so tightly enforced will be what consumes your project. Sad, very sad.

As far as TPB3D goes, I would prefer it be deleted as I originally established it and I also don't want it in here either anymore. Not to benefit an evil community that runs on ego rather than common sense, using rule after rule to attack great things. TPB3D has grown well beyond the significance you all require in here, but some of you are so jealous of a project like this that you don't realize what is being created. Stick with a dying product of Roller Coaster Tycoon 3 rather than a community created and will be permanently ongoing project such as TPB3D. This community doesn't need you guys either. There, now if this doesn't get you to kill tpb3d as a wiki in here and remove significant information, I don't know what will. Slickdude 13:53, 5 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Never heard of Roller Coaster Tycoon, guess it's a video game - I doubt anyone here cares about that product. You seem to be taking this as some personal slight. What you have to understand is that this is not about the product, it's about the lack of sources. It's not about what this will happen in the future with this product, it's about the lack of sources. Nobody is saying you are not working hard on your product, nobody is saying that your product shouldn't exist. What we are saying is that wikipedia has certain fundemental policies that we try and apply equally to all articles - at the present moment, your article does not meet those standards - that's it. This has nothing to do with ego, nothing to do with being jealous - it's about applying our policies consistently. Your personal attacks are a waste of time, we don't delete articles because someone makes some snide remarks. If someone provides some sources for the article that are notable - this AFD is over - it's that simple. --Fredrick day 20:58, 5 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete, no independent sources establishing notability. Original author tried to blank the article (presumably per comments above), but is not the only significant editor of the article, so we can't speedily delete under category g7. NawlinWiki 21:05, 5 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete. In the name of giving this article as fair of a shot as we possibly can, I have spent the last couple days searching through articles for any legitimate sources of notability. There are a little more than 2500 google hits, of which less than 50 are truly unique. I've searched through all of those fifty as well as every post on the project's web forum looking for something to pass WP:N. I'm confident in saying that there is nothing. My position is that this article should be deleted for failing WP:N, WP:NOR, and WP:COI. -Trusilver 21:27, 6 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was Delete Both policy arguments nd numeric consensus favor deletion here. DES (talk) 16:33, 11 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Medieval life[edit]

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This article contains little real information about the middle ages and the Middle Ages category contains all of the information in this page. This page is nothing more than a category listing middle age topics which the middle ages category already does. This page serves no real purpose. Wikidudeman (talk) 04:27, 2 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

  • Delete Basically just a selection of links to other articles. The only common theme here is that they somehow relate to medieval life but so does countless other articles not mentioned at all. So... delete as a list with little if any limit to what could be included per WP:NOT. MartinDK 08:14, 2 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete as a mere collection of internal links. No significant structure is provided by the sectioning of this list. Deor 12:18, 2 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete. A school assignement. Pavel Vozenilek 12:33, 2 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep. This seems like an article that just needs expanded with prose. Medieval society and medieval culture, two subjects I'd expect an encyclopedia to cover, redirect to this article. This provides a good starting structure for a rather large and very much needed article. If this entire subject is indeed covered elsewhere, then redirect without deletion. Otherwise, keep. --- RockMFR 16:59, 2 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]
    • Society and culture are for encyclopedic purposes not the same thing, and merging them into one article is a dubious venture to begin with. Peter Isotalo 12:27, 5 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete, this article has been here for four years and this is the best that could be done? I don't disagree that we do need an article on the subject, but this is a list, not an article. Allow for recreation if it's made into text. Corvus cornix 17:25, 2 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete per above. Doczilla 18:17, 2 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep If it is agreed that an article like this is needed, there is no point in deleting it now only to see it recreated later. Current article can be completely changed by future editors if need be. Joshdboz 13:54, 4 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]
All of the information in that article already exists in the Category:Middle Ages. This article adds nothing new. Wikidudeman (talk) 18:42, 4 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Yes, and all WWII info lies in Category:World War II, but that doesn't mean it can't have a portal article to link the many subaspects. Joshdboz 19:22, 4 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]
This article does a very bad job at that. If you think such a page should exist that does that then improve Category:Middle Ages, this page itself really serves no purpose as far as I can tell. If we're to have a page that does nothing but link other pages but isn't itself a category then what about "Medieval war" or "Medieval death"? Wikidudeman (talk) 19:26, 4 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • Redirect to Middle Ages without merging content The idea is not bad per se and I understand the reasoning behind the article. However, any article called "XXX life" or "life in XXX" isn't a doable topic for encyclopedic purposes and will hardly attract any serious punters, and four years resulting in nothing but a fairly arbitrary collection of links pretty much confirms this. "XXX life" (or "life in XXX") basically means "everything related to XXX" and can just as well be equated with "XXX". It's an attempt to rewrite Middle Ages with less focus on kings, popes, wars and grand history, but has the unfortunate downside of making social history seem like a mere sub-topic, rather being an integral part of general articles. Peter Isotalo 12:27, 5 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • Note: This debate has been included in the list of History-related deletions. -- John Vandenberg 12:06, 7 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep, rewrite, expand. The Middle Ages article is already quite large and daily life within particular time periods are incredibly interesting and there has been a vast amount of scholarly books and articles published on this very topic. The sources are there, the article is waiting to be written, someone just needs to do it. I'm sure someone at Wikipedia:WikiProject_Middle_Ages will oblige. CaveatLectorTalk 15:51, 9 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Keep + Rewrite? If you vote for a rewrite then you should rewrite it since I don't have the time nor do I even believe it could be done and I doubt anyone at the middle ages project will do it either however you're more than free to ask. At most, the article should be deleted UNTIL it's rewritten since such a project would no doubt take weeks. Wikidudeman (talk) 10:22, 10 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Re-writing is merely a suggestion to future editors. As for deleting an article until it is rewritten -- this is silly. Wikipedia is a work in progress. Would you suggest deleting all the stubs until they are all written into lengthy articles? --- RockMFR 16:50, 10 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]
A suggestion for whom? If anyone were going to dedicate time to this article they would have done so already. This article is 4 years old, it contains the same exact info as the middle ages category, it's badly written, badly put together, needs to be totally rewritten and even then I doubt it would be salvageable. Deleting it until it's rewritten is frequently done in AFD's. If someone cares enough about rewriting it then they can put a draft on their user page and rewrite it there since no one is just going to come along and rewrite it into something acceptable, they would have done so already. Wikidudeman (talk) 12:06, 11 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete delete for now unless an actual article is reason at which time it can be brought back. --Storm Rider (talk) 06:49, 11 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was Keep, definitely meets WP:PROF after improvements. NawlinWiki 20:32, 9 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Steven R. White[edit]

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Speedy userfication is being contested by DGG. It seemed obvious to me that this was autobiographical in nature, but whatever the case, it's here now. This is a procedural nomination, so I abstain Wafulz 04:26, 2 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

This article is a clear violation of multiple policies including WP:NOR, WP:V, WP:RS. Criteria under WP:SPEEDY clearly states that an article can be removed if not encyclopedic in nature and amounts to a personal advertisement for an individual. I'd also like to note DGG's comment regarding speedy deletion that "some encyclopedic information and sources were needed" prior to his removing an article lacking the above ([WP:V]] and WP:RS, in other words). Unsure of why there would be a double standard simply because the subject of the article is a university professor, however until there are third-party sources this should be removed post haste.Netkinetic (t/c/@) 05:12, 2 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • Please refer to WP:PROF in this discussion. Morgan Wick 08:53, 2 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete. No assertion of notability - the only reason I can see is his invention...and since no detail is given about it, even that isn't asserting notability (we have no idea whether it's notable or not). --Tim4christ17 talk 11:36, 2 July 2007 (UTC) Change to Keep. The article now asserts notability. --Tim4christ17 talk 19:37, 2 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep after it gets improved. Speedy was first claimed under G7--but any rational assertion is enough, certainly developing a major theory. It was then argued under G11, but a one paragraph bland description of a person's career is not an advertisement. And WP:AUTO is not a speedy criterion, just a reason to look carefully. . But the article is now at AfD--a perfectly appropriate place to discuss it, if one doubts the importance. One form of meting WP:PROF is development of a notable theory. And he is in fact listed as the developer in the lede paragraph of the WP article on the theory. Yes, proper references needed, and are forthcoming.

As a brief guide , he has published 99 peer-reviewed article according to Web of Science. His most cited ones have received 1075,843,283,266 248 references--obvious recognition of notability by others in the field, WP:PROF. His h-index is 38,that is38 papers cited 38 or more times. Doesn't take access to Web of Science. Google Scholar lists 214 articles--some of them will be duplicates--giving 1139 & 997 references to the top two. Netkinetic marked it for deletion with the edit summary: "Sorry Steven, but you aren't notable enough for Wikipedia. Regards." DGG 19:02, 2 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

  • Keep. I subscribe to the DGG theory that full professors at major universities are notable, and we should keep them even when the articles aren't well written. I added a link to his home page at UCI and an Arxiv search showing 47 submissions there (many of them republished in refereed journals such as Physical Review). This search link should eventually be replaced with a short list of notable papers, when someone has time to rewrite the article properly. EdJohnston 19:10, 2 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Short list has now been done. There are another 73 articles in arXiv under a variation of his name. One of the shortcomings of their search engine is that it there seem not to be any name cross-references or links. (If there is a way, I haven't found it). DGG 03:56, 3 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]
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Hindutva terrorism[edit]

The result was Delete ck lostsword•T•C 00:02, 8 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

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I believe similar/identical articles have been speedy deleted before. Not much to explain here. Whatever is salvagable from this article is already covered in Hindutva, Hindu nationalism, etc. deeptrivia (talk) 04:22, 2 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

  • Delete - I'm not seeing much from this article. There is a lot of OR, some sources do not work, and I think that those sources that do exist do not generally confirm a concept called "Hindutva terrorism." The information should be covered elsewhere (if it isn't already) instead of in this ill-constructed fork. BTW, if you can find the similar deletions, please post them. The Behnam 05:19, 2 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete mostly origional research, and what isn't is poorly sourced.--SefringleTalk 05:32, 2 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete To answer Behnam's request, there is a Islamist terrorism article which is much more developed. GizzaDiscuss © 05:35, 2 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]
    I meant the "similar/identical articles" mentioned as previously deleted. It would help solidify this case if nearly identical prior deletions were linked to here. The Behnam 05:37, 2 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]
    Oh, well there was Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Hindutva propaganda. GizzaDiscuss © 05:44, 2 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]
    Hmm, not the quite the same - I even voted 'keep' for that one. My guess is that if these were CSD like deeptrivia suggested they would be find in the deletion logs. Hopefully he will have a better idea exactly what he was talking about as I don't know where to look. The Behnam 05:47, 2 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]
    There were some "X Terrorism" articles as well as "Hindu X" / "Hindutva X" articles. I tried finding an easy way to search deletion logs after reading Behnam's comment, but it looks like the only way to go about it is to check all logs over months, which will be a huge task. If it's possible to apply any search over the logs, please let me know. deeptrivia (talk) 16:27, 2 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose deleting-They have one on Islamist terrorism, Christian terrorism but nothing on Hindutva terrorism.What's more is the article is fully sourced.-Vmrgrsergr 08:26, 2 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]
    That's never a good argument. "Buddhist terrorism" generates the same order of magnitude of google hits as "Hindu Terrorism" or "Hindutva Terrorism", both being of the order of 100 times smaller than "Christian terrorism" and 1000 times smaller than "Islamist Terrorism". deeptrivia (talk) 16:35, 2 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]
    And because The Hindu is a major english daily in India (which discusses terrorism, Islamic, Christian, and secular) the true total is closer to 200 ghits. However, most of these sites are Muslim and Khalistani, or leftist forums. A realiable source is nowhere to be found.Bakaman 01:45, 3 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete - MilliGazette is a Muslim advocacy newspaper. It has a vested interest in ignoring their own kinsmen blowing things up and attacking religious groups hostile to Islamism. Nationalism is not terrorism. There are no Hindus blowing themselves up in front of Airports in the name of Krishna.Bakaman 20:15, 2 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]
    hm, nobody claimed they did. The article's claim is that they burn mosques, not that they blow up themselves, and nothing about airports. dab (𒁳) 22:21, 2 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]
    That doesnt prevent from being a cesspool of leftist fringecruft. The word terrorism is not used by any reliable sources. In case you were unaware what the allusion was, you may want to check out what is going on in Glasgow.Bakaman 01:45, 3 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]
    Dear Sirs, Milligazette, is a reliable source as is evident by the fact that it is available through Google News.Terrorism by any religion followers is worthy of an article, this is what I believe, if people are terrorised in Gujarat by the Hindu cultural organisations - it should be included..Why not, dear Sirs Terminador 10:22, 3 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete - This article is nothing but a collection of OR. Per nom. Gnanapiti 21:11, 2 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment-To keep terrorism articles related to a certian religion and to delete teror articles related to another is clear violation of WP:NPOV.-Vmrgrsergr 22:06, 2 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment-I dont know how an article that has sources for it's claims and enough external links is the work of original research.-Vmrgrsergr 22:11, 2 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]
    Firstly, the sources aren't cited in the proper way, please see Wikipedia:Citing sources. Secondly, have you checked that the sources are Reliable? GizzaDiscuss © 22:14, 2 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • merge into communal violence. The title is inherently pov seeing we have Christian terrorism, there is nothing to prevent us from covering this phenomenon as well, but Terrorism in India should be treated in context, and not by faction, and at present, the article isn't well-referenced enough to stand on its own. Begin by creating "by faction" sections on Terrorism in India and wait until they deveolp into something that can stand on its own. dab (𒁳) 22:15, 2 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment - On top of being OR this article is a big bunch of lies. A foiled attempt to burn a mosque by some crank cited from so called "reference" morphs conveniently into "Hindutva militants are also known to have many times try to burn mosques in India"!!! A statement by some church taken from a reference(?) changes into a fact in the article! Article cites another wiki article as a reference! There should be some truth in the article at least to merge. Gnanapiti 22:34, 2 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]
    Re: If I got dab right, he is not necessarily proposing to copy the contents of this article into Terrorism in India, but to start a fresh section there related to this, built from scratch. deeptrivia (talk) 05:59, 3 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete - per nom --D-Boy 02:03, 3 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete No clear evidence.Harlowraman 02:13, 3 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete. Obviously. I know its hard for some to understand that there is absolutely no fascism in Hindutva. Most of these people try to find an analogy with Islamism or Christian fundamentalism. Its natural, but it is, at the end of the day, just ignorance.
    As another natural tendency, We may believe that the youngsters in a country like Pakistan would be similar to the most youngsters around the world and so they may demand for fewer rules than there are. But then, a quote from a Kaafirs book will dispel this [miss]belief too.
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  • Both of these are exceptions, and we must accept them as they are.--nids(♂) 05:12, 3 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]
    Okay, but hopefully you understand that this discussion is not about whether there is terrorism/fascism in Hindutva or not. deeptrivia (talk) 05:51, 3 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]
    If there was, than what would have been the problem with the article. nids(♂) 05:55, 3 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]
    Please read Wikipedia:Deletion policy. deeptrivia (talk) 06:02, 3 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete - The 'information' currently in the article is of little or no value to an encyclopedia. Gouranga(UK) 08:52, 3 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete - This article is original research. The sources provided are from newspaper and they do not provide any encyclopedic content.Sbhushan 18:23, 3 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • Redirect to communal violence. No sources satisfactorily cited. Hornplease 20:07, 3 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete as original research, POV and neologism with no reliable, neutral sources. Just because we can conceptually define a term doesn't mean we need a wikipedia article on the subject. Funnily enough, "Christian Martians" ("Residents of the planet Mars, who adhere to Christianity, a monotheistic religion centered on the life and teachings of Jesus of Nazareth as presented in the New Testament") has almost as many ghits, as "Hindutva Terrorism" ("use of violence or other means of intimidation to enforce the Hindutva point of view on people who may oppose or simply choose not to believe that ideology.") and in both cases most of the links are blogs, discussion boards, blatantly partisan and unreliable sources or simply typos. Abecedare 22:28, 3 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete - I think that this title MIGHT provide a basis for a relevant article...but in practical terms this article is nothing more than warmed-over POV pap, and largely misspelled POV pap at that. --Nemonoman 02:08, 4 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep - AjitPD 11:47, 6 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]
    Please see WP:NOREASON. utcursch | talk 14:33, 7 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was delete.--Fuhghettaboutit 12:18, 2 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Jillian Zoboroski[edit]

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Fails Wikipedia:Biography; article about an unmemorable reality star on a show with low ratings Irk(talk) 22:21, 25 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

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  • Delete Reality show stars are not notable unless they do something notable past their 15 minutes on the TV Corpx 04:15, 2 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete. As per Corpx. --Jacques Pirat Talk 04:34, 2 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete, fails WP:BIO. Carlosguitar 10:51, 2 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was No consensus, defaults to Keep. NawlinWiki 18:13, 10 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Nick Piercey[edit]

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Just a local radio presenter. Article doesn't show how he's notable. No references/links. Reads like a CV. Aillema 01:45, 25 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

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  • Delete. No secondary coverage given; hence fails WP:BIO. --B. Wolterding 16:23, 2 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep. Appears notable due to various involvements with BBC. -Tim Rhymeless (Er...let's shimmy) 20:52, 2 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]
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    • Comment And I worked for PBS for two years does that make me notable? No. Whispering 16:36, 8 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete No reliable sources indicating notability. Fails WP:BIO. Whispering 16:36, 8 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • Weak keep. I have a feeling this DJ may pass WP:BIO, given his appearances on a number of major local radio stations. And after all (as they say), if you promote a person enough, eventually they become famous. I think this guy might be just about. Sources would help though. DWaterson 23:16, 8 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep - just. Google news archive turns up some sources [41], [42], [43], [44]. Helping the Children's hospital, sponsored by Elton John to run the London Marathon etc. I'd say there's enough non trivial mentions for WP:BIO - but he's kept it very local in a long career in radio. Cheers, Paxse 14:09, 10 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was keep - nomination withdrawn. TerriersFan 03:24, 8 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

OSCAR Radio[edit]

Not notable secondary school student radio broadcasting on a RSL. stripped of school related weblinks, the subject scores 148 Ghits, most of which bear no relationship to the subject at all. Ohconfucius 02:32, 25 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

If RSLs are part of the standard regulatory scheme for broadcasting in the United Kingdom, then radio stations which operate under RSLs meet the criterion of being duly licensed by the appropriate regulatory authority...especially if it's an RSL that's renewed on a regular basis. A station that got one RSL to broadcast for one isolated period might not necessarily meet our standard, but an RSL that's renewed as often as legally permissible is effectively as close as such a station can get to being a permanent operation. So keep. Bearcat 22:25, 1 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]
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  • Comment: From this link posted as a reference to the article, clearly the station falls into a different category than is suggested by the above assertion "an RSL that's renewed as often as legally permissible is effectively as close as such a station can get to being a permanent operation". True that the subject does appear to be continuous, but the school has a short term RSL, whilst there is the category of the long term RSL, which several schools have. I am not suggesting that the possession of such a renewed temporary license would be a bar in becoming notable, but the reasons why it does not have a long-term license may be relevant, and could, I believe, be further explained in the talk page Ohconfucius 02:49, 3 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

As the creator of the page and also the person who set the station up and currently runs it I want to assure you that this is a factual description of the radio station. As Bearcat states, OSCAR Radio is a regular broadcaster, it also happens to be seen as one of the best stations of its kind in the UK. In the world of UK school radio stations it was deemed the best one by the BBC when they did a trawl of school radio station in 2004, it is certainly the largest, with studios that most university stations would love to have. It has a good presence in the local community and plenty of people listen either on the internet or locally on the FM transmission. OSCAR Radio is seen as a good model for other schools to view and we get plenty of visits from schools interested in putting together their own radio stations. So keep Dfcf 20:11, 2 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

  • Comment: Many articles on wikipedia have been deleted because the subject does not possess sufficiently notability even though they are completely factual. The fact that there are many people involved either in the creation of the article or the subject is completely irrelevant argument to avoid deletion. Although it is a fairly well-written article, it was put up for deletion mainly because I did not find insufficient independent and reliable sources which support the assertions of notability within the article. Being "best", or having a "good presence" can be quite subjective if not properly benchmarked with an important award, audited audience figures or press commentary. Dfcf cites a number of things which could be indicators of a greater level of notability than is suggested in the article, and it would be of considerable help if, for example, the BBC mention was sourced within the article. Ohconfucius 02:49, 3 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep - a little searching found a couple good links, which I have added, and indicates that the station does get some attention (as a Sony Music CEO came to open their new studio). The article needed some cleaning up, with the frequency and range it has, it's certainly of note, even if it only runs part of the year. --Thespian 07:32, 3 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment: I would agree that the station has the potential to be notable, but I remain not totally convinced that it is. I would point out that the links are not independent - one was issued by a PR agency on behalf of the school, and the other clearly names the school as the source of the story. Ohconfucius 13:06, 3 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment If you agree that it has the potential to be notable, then this nomination should be withdrawn at this point, especially considering the only comments on it have been your nom and Bearcat and I saying 'Keep' (that's aside from the obvious keep of the page creator). And yeah, it does name the school as the source of the story - but not in terms of 'the school handed this to us and we ran it'. All secondary sources have to have a primary source *somewhere*, so while the first one, I'll concede, is not completely independent (though all I cite out of it is the 'only station operated by under 18s', which is in other articles, too), the second one is a perfectly good source from a local newspaper, and I spent about 10m on this. More could be done, though one needs to convince Dfcf (to whom it is obviously central, though he did a fairly good job of avoiding COI, some of which I fixed) that more work is needed in this direction. Give it a month and renom in August if we still haven't fixed? I'll work with him. --Thespian 22:02, 3 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment: OSCAR Radio is a radio station that is part of the fourth largest public school in England. The fact that the Music CEO of Sony, Sir Howard Stringer helped fund lots of development in the station. The fact that Sir Howard Stringer is now the CEO of Sony. Isn't this enough for OSCAR to be notable?. A few years ago a number of OSCAR presenters visited the BBC radio studios. I don't know the full story but my understanding is that they appeared on a show there, they also received awards from the BBC. OSCAR broadcasts on FM to Oundle and the wide surrounding area reaching a little into Peterborough. It broadcasts to entire world via a SHOUTcast stream. I know the RSL licence for OSCAR is a short term licence, but the station has been running since 1998, nine years! Over this time the station has grown massively, with the new studios. A main studio and a news studio with a satellite link to IRN. I am in full belief that OSCAR will continue and the reason that it only has a short term RSL licence is because of an administration issue, or maybe it is easier for the school to buy a short-term licence. It doesn't matter. I know that OSCAR will be continuing in to the near and far future. Some of what I have said is fact and some is views but I believe in it's entirety and think it is petty to try and remove an article to not being notable enough. Maybe it is a rule but I think people might want to know about OSCAR and removing maybe the second port of call after the OSCAR website (which I do admit needs a bit of work) is annoying for people searching Wikipedia and not finding the information they want. I came to this discussion with a favourable idea of saying keep but with the evidence that Dfcf has written and the opinion of Thespian I am now in full belief that OSCAR is notable enough for a Wikipedia article. So in full entirety my belief is keep. Pimms 23:55, 3 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • Nomination withdrawn. In light of Thespian's arguments, I will withdraw my nom, pending further work on the article. However, I would point out that Stringer is an old boy at the school, so that the visit from this industry luminary is not entirely coincidentiial or without connection! Ohconfucius 01:19, 4 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was delete. Sr13 22:18, 6 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

The playground live[edit]

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NN musical. —  MusicMaker 21:20, 20 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

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  • Delete No references verifying notability. Propaniac 18:48, 2 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete No assertion of notability. Johnbod 14:25, 5 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete No assertion of notability. --Attilios 16:20, 5 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was No consensus, defaulting to Keep. NawlinWiki 00:38, 11 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Imagine Tap[edit]

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NN musical. —  MusicMaker 21:08, 20 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was keep as notability established. Please note this is a non-administrator close. The Evil Spartan 22:58, 8 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

The Christmas Schooner[edit]

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NN musical. Only holiday productions. Article is mostly advert-type review quotes. —  MusicMaker 20:57, 20 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

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  • Delete trivial notability--SefringleTalk 22:57, 26 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]
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  • Weak Keep based on the awards it received. They give small sign of notability Corpx 04:14, 2 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep. This musical has received productions in various cities and even internationally and has been reviewed and discussed in mainstream media sources. See [47], [48], and[49] for examples. The fact that a Christmas-themed musical only gets produced around Christmastime does not affect its notability. --Metropolitan90 04:15, 2 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep, seems to satisfy WP:N, and having traveled overseas seems to rate some importance. --Dhartung | Talk 10:54, 3 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was delete. Sr13 01:51, 7 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Certified Vulnerability Assessor[edit]

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Appears non-notable and is advertising and spammy in nature. Falls far short of the notability guideline. GDonato (talk) 17:00, 25 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

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  • Delete, a very brief article entirely free from context. The title would appear to describe a person holding an office or credential; the article itself purports to be about a training program. The "vulnerability" that people here are being certified to assess is "IT vulnerability", suggesting to my mind that this is some newfangled neologism invented by someone selling a consultancy. Quære: what does this have to do with Norway? - Smerdis of Tlön 14:17, 2 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete As Smerdis of Tlön stated, the title of the article would suggest a possible conflict of interest in the article, the lack of context and references is too small even to be considered a stub. The Sunshine Man is now Qst 15:08, 2 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was Changed to disambiguation page for the magazine (without link) and for Cruella de Vil. NawlinWiki 20:49, 9 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Cruella[edit]

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Non-notable magazine, no references or sources. Contested prod. Videmus Omnia 17:25, 25 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

  • delete Not notable. Reywas92Talk 19:22, 25 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • keep did a seach seems like to be a number of sites of information for this magazine makeing it notable enough it does not more information and sources but this does not mean it should be gone from hereOo7565 19:40, 25 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]
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  • Delete unsourced, no real claim to notability in the article. Andrew Lenahan - Starblind 14:12, 2 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was delete ck lostsword•T•C 00:39, 9 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

This is hell (radio)[edit]

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Dubious notability; likely conflict of interest (note the large number of external links). YechielMan 17:51, 19 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

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  • Delete - no assertion of notability, the article is full of POV claims and unencyclopaedic prose. /Blaxthos 11:10, 24 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]
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  • Delete - some sources are given; but taking a closer look, there is substantial coverage in a college newspaper (not independent), some trivial mentioning (not substantial coverage), and a blog (not reliable). Clear case of COI by User:Elvisdemorrow, even admitted in the edit history, makes me doubt that the show is as notable as the article tries to put it. --B. Wolterding 23:22, 2 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • Do Not Delete - The assertion of no notability seems to be addressed with the link to the public radio quest contest in the references section. The host of This is Hell is a finalist in the competition, and people wishing to research the contestants may want as many sources of information as possible on the show, including a Wikipedia entry of course. If the concern is that the show does not exist, please download any of the hundreds of shows archived at the site or check the WNUR broadcast schedule to confirm its existence. If users are concerned about the subjective nature of the article contents then they should obviously offer constructive edits to the body of the article instead of campaigning to delete a perfectly good (albiet new!) article. --daftmunkie 18:21, 3 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]
    • First, I'm not concerned about the show being real, or about the subjective nature of the article as such. The topic of the debate here is whether the show passes the notability criteria. However, since the article was created by someone closely affiliated with the show, it is even more important than usual to have reliable secondary sources (which the article lacks). Second, your claim towards notability is the award nomination. Actually the show host is one out of 10 finalists in that competition. My concerns about that are: 1) It's the host that is nominated, not the show. 2) For the host, the guidelines WP:BIO would apply; the relevant criterion is: The person has received significant recognized awards or honors. It is not quite cleat whether the talent quest can be considered a "significant recognized award". 3) He did not win the award (yet?), he's only nominated. --B. Wolterding 18:41, 3 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]
      • I believe your concerns are well placed given that the article was clearly initiated by somebody affiliated with the show. However, this would be more of a concern if the show was somehow for profit (It airs on a university radio station and is almost entirely listener supported) which would be in direct violation of Wikipedia's notability guidelines for organizations and companies. That said, Wikipedia is full of articles on radio programs with no independent published articles about them. Even given this disadvantage of being a small college radio program and having few independent articles about the show, a simple google search for ""this is hell" radio chuck mertz" returns approximately 1400 relevant web page hits... mostly listings on podcast directories, blog entries, and references from guests that have been on the show. To me, this is "significant coverage in reliable sources that are independent of the subject" (as per the notability guidelines). To take your concerns point by point: 1) That there is no Biography on Chuck Mertz the person is irrelevant since he is not a public person outside of the radio show, and so does not meet the notability guidelines for people outside direct reference to the radio show. 2) see 1, it is not necessary that the host be award winning to have an article about the show. 3) see 2. A purpose of wikepedia, as an outgrouth from the wikimedia foundation is "to empower and engage people around the world to collect and develop educational content under a free license or in the public domain, and to disseminate it effectively and globally." Having a wikipedia article about this radio program is in line with this mission as it gives access to all people to download freely available mp3s containing long form interviews with world renowned scholars, activists, and reporters. In light of this, it seems absurd that the article is being threatened with deletion. --daftmunkie 03:18, 4 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete Non-notable show on a college radio station. No non-trivial references. If the show wins the contest, it might make notability. Precious Roy 08:24, 4 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • Do Not Delete - Chicago Reader article now listed in references is arguably non-trivial. Also, I may be a Wikipedia amateur, but the first rule noted on the official Wikipedia editing policy page is "Perfection is not required". Based on this official policy, it appears evident that this entry should allowed to grow and improve as per the stated policy, instead of premature deletion. laddieo 14:35, 7 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Link for Chicago Reader goes to a page on the radio show's site that doesn't even mention the Chicago Reader. And presuming a non-trivial article in the Chicago Reader does actually exist, that's only one article on the way to "multiple non-trivial" published works. Precious Roy 14:58, 7 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was delete. Sr13 22:16, 6 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Antarctica Vs. the World[edit]

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Article prod on 2007-06-21 as "Non notable band, fails WP:BAND". The band do have a record on Tent City [50], which is listed here [51] with their main acts, including Choking Victim, The Foamers and Antarctica Vs. The World. It appears that there may be reasonable doubt about a swift deletion, and a wider view may be in order SilkTork 23:10, 26 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

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  • Delete - Fails WP:MUSIC in lack of independent mentions, not a "major label" Corpx 04:12, 2 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete origional research--SefringleTalk 05:00, 2 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was delete. Sr13 22:15, 6 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Joseph: A Victorian Fairy Tale[edit]

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Book is a nonnotable self-published (through Lulu.com vanity press) title that clearly does not meet the book notability guidelines. DreamGuy 21:17, 27 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

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  • Delete. Googling turns up no evidence of reviews or other third-party coverage. Deor 12:27, 2 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete the article even comes right out and says it's published by a vanity publisher. Andrew Lenahan - Starblind 13:51, 2 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was delete. Sr13 22:14, 6 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Orb (video game)[edit]

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Not notable, appears to be fan/hobby project. Xsmasher 21:14, 27 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

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  • Delete, this is a tricky one, depending on where we draw the line between 'fan/hobby' and 'indy' games. A google search brings up nothing concrete, just brief mentions on lesser gaming sites. There are no mentions on established gaming sites such as Gamespy, Gamespot or Eurogamer, and only the briefest of blurbs on IGN. I tend to agree with the assessment of this blogger. Four years, only artwork, no screenshots, no publisher.--Nydas(Talk) 09:46, 2 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete per above reasoning. I don't necessarily think we need to wait until games are actually released to cover them, but they should certainly be further along than this. Andrew Lenahan - Starblind 13:41, 2 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was delete. Sr13 22:12, 6 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Thorn (video game)[edit]

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Not notable, appears to be fan/hobby project. Xsmasher 21:14, 27 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

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  • Delete another game apparently not very far along in development. Per the article, "No in-game images are available at this time", etc. Andrew Lenahan - Starblind 13:47, 2 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete. Wikipedia is not a crystal ball. --Jacques Pirat Talk 16:15, 2 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was delete. Sr13 22:10, 6 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Midnight (video game)[edit]

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Not notable, appears to be fan/hobby project. Xsmasher 21:14, 27 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

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  • Delete This article is about an unreleased game. I think this game might deserve an article once its actually released (WP:CRYSTALBALL) depending on the reviews. The interviews conducted are not from established media sites Corpx 04:10, 2 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete per the article: "Midnight is still in early development". Enough said. Andrew Lenahan - Starblind 13:50, 2 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was delete. Sr13 21:15, 6 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Global Online Gaming[edit]

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Six Souls Tale (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views)
The Abyss(Game) (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views)

Non-notable gaming website. No reliable sources or any other evidence that this website meets WP:WEB. NeoChaosX (talk, walk) 21:02, 27 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

  • Delete this article and accompanying vanity nonnotable horribly unencyclopedic advertising page Six Souls Tale. DreamGuy 21:25, 27 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]
    • Done. Also nominating another creation of the author, The Abyss(Game) and marked another article he created, Freiheit Unterhaltung, for speedy deletion. NeoChaosX (talk, walk) 02:36, 28 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]
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  • Strong Delete Notable websites are not hosted on _____.freehostia.com . They can usually afford a domain + web host. This is spam!! — Preceding unsigned comment added by Corpx (talk • contribs)
  • Delete per WP:WEB. It's on a free web host, come on. Not even remotely notable. Andrew Lenahan - Starblind 15:55, 2 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was Keep (non-admin closure) — Caknuck 14:21, 5 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Grey's Anatomy episodes (Season 3)[edit]

AfDs for this article:
Grey's Anatomy episodes (Season 1) (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views)
Grey's Anatomy episodes (Season 2) (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views)
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Per WP:NOT, Wikipedia is NOT the place for plot summaries, as these articles clearly are Corpx 03:56, 2 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

  • Keep all per WP:EPISODE. These articles contain more than plot summaries of the individual episodes, including information on guest stars, creative staff and other production details. The actual plot summary portions of the S1 and S2 articles look to be of reasonable length. The plot summary portions of S3 for a few episodes could stand some trimming but that's an editorial rather than an AFD issue. Three season-length articles like this are preferable IMHO to 70+ individual episode articles. Otto4711 04:56, 2 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep all per above and WP:Notability (fiction); in addition to the short plot descriptions (easily under the usualy length of acceptability, as it's accepted that describing the show/film/book/etc often involves short plot summaries), these pages also contain a fair bit of description; information about the episode, director, writing credits, music content, etc., which are clearly what we're supposed to be doing in articles that include plot summaries as well. --Thespian 08:32, 2 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep all These season-based episode guides are much preferable to full articles on every episode with 20Kb plot summaries. --Canley 15:22, 2 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • Strong Keep per all above. Does not violate policy, similar to every other TV shows episode pages. Ganfon 16:37, 2 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep it's an established precedent to allow pages about episodes. This definitely needs some reorganization and clean-up (as do many episode pages all across Wikipedia) but that's an issue for talk pages, not AFD. --JayHenry 18:26, 2 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • Infinitely Strong Delete I am voting delete because I feel bad that the delete side isn't getting any votes--Perceive 02:27, 3 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep If wikipedia isn't the place for plot summaries there are hundreds, and probably thousands of articles that need to be deleted. Perhaps if it was a little known show, not in English it wouldn't belong here, but it is a well known show. Bassgoonist Talk 14:06, 3 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep per above Will (talk) 15:47, 4 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep per policy, WP:NOT#PAPER. Articles could probably benefit from being split per WP:SS. Matthew 16:01, 4 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment - Something has to go. The first season has individual episode articles, which are duplications of what is on the "season 1" page. Since they all fit on the season page, and the subsequent season pages don't have individual articles (at least not linked so that I can find them), it seems the first season episodes should be merged into the season article and all the three seasons should be kept but massively cleaned up. Plot summmaries are not a reason to have a non-free image.  BIGNOLE  (Contact me) 17:42, 4 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]


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The result was keep as cleaned up. Please note that this is a non-administrator close. The Evil Spartan 22:54, 8 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

October 6 University[edit]

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As it stands, this article is an advertisement; but it contains a lot of information, and could be rewritten if anyone cares to take the time to do so. Xiaphias 03:48, 2 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

  • Keep & clean up, a good trim would make it less objectionable. Seems to be accredited by the Egyptian government[52]; I don't know how we judge non-US educational institutions but it certainly seems to merit inclusion at first blush. (Btw, .eg web address is down, try o6u.org instead.) --Dhartung | Talk 03:59, 2 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]
    • I zapped all the blatant copyvios from the website. Stubby now but not an advert. --Dhartung | Talk 04:10, 2 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment It doesn't soundlike Xiaphias actually wanted to delete the article, in which case he didn't need to take it to AfD. Morgan Wick 04:29, 2 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep it's notable, but clean-up/wikify/rewrite like other Egyptian universities. I can help with that. — Zerida 21:08, 2 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep I think all world universities should be considered notable, assuming we have enough information to write an article, as we do here. The practical problem is that a great many such articles are copyvios & need rewriting, without that much to go on besides the website. DGG 04:27, 3 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • Note: This debate has been included in the list of Egypt-related deletions. -- John Vandenberg 12:13, 7 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • Cleanup Universities are inherently notable. Students, developements and alumni are likely to be mentioned all the time by local media. However, the article should be cleaned up to not read like an ad.--Kylohk 12:07, 8 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was Merge with RMS Titanic. No keep arguments, no clear consensus reached between merge and delete so article is merged as the least destructive path JodyB talk 23:59, 10 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Provisioning of the RMS Titanic[edit]

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Wikipedia is not an indiscriminate a collection of nn statistics (a grocery list? c'mon). Clarityfiend 03:44, 2 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

  • Delete per nom. JJL 03:57, 2 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete, unencyclopedic. --Dhartung | Talk 04:11, 2 July 2007 (UTC)\[reply]
  • Merge with RMS Titanic. I don't think the information is inherently unencyclopedic. But it's only encyclopedic within the context of the ship and the story of its sinking. The information is notable because of its association with the sinking of the unsinkable ship. ≈≈Carolfrog≈≈♦тос♦ 04:22, 2 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete. As fascinating as it may be that the ship had 20,000 bottles of beer onboard, the provisions were not notable to my knowledge. I'm not opposed to merging into the main article. Someguy1221 04:23, 2 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete and don't merge. ("Delete and merge" raises GFDL concerns.) This info isn't notable even within the context of the sinking. Does anyone even care how much beer the ship had on board? What does that have to do with the sinking? Was the food going to be used as a floatation device? Morgan Wick 04:33, 2 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]
    • Comment. Whether "anyone" cares is irrelevant. I (for one) thought it was interesting, but that is not a valid argument in a deletion debate. However, just because the beer had nothing to do with the sinking itself doesn't mean it is not historically significant in the context of the historical significance of the ship itself. There may be sources (which I am too lazy and sleepy to find at the moment) which would provide a scholarly analysis of the provisioning of the Titanic. ≈≈Carolfrog≈≈♦тос♦ 04:41, 2 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]
      • Comment I agree that the historical/cultural angle is the crux. There are ships' provision lists where there's such an angle making it worth documenting: for instance, 1800s British naval ships and the gross amounts of alcohol they carried; or the (by some accounts) toxic tinned food and ludicrous amounts of tableware carted around by the John Franklin expedition; or early polar expeditions where the lists show they grossly underestimated the calorific requirements. But this has no such angle; it's just food. Gordonofcartoon 02:17, 5 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete - well in the territory of WP:NOT#INFO,"Articles which are primarily comprised of statistical data". What context can there be but the blindingly obvious one that it was a big ship so had to carry lots of food? Gordonofcartoon 12:43, 2 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • Merge with RMS Titanic --Jacques Pirat Talk 16:16, 2 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • Merge with [[[RMS Titanic]] article. — Preceding unsigned comment added by CraigMonroe (talk • contribs)
  • Delete per Gordon. I'm also opposed to merger, because this trivial list could expand to infinite size. How many bars of laundry soap, anyone? Spare bolts for generic repairs? Spools of thread for mending uniforms?  RGTraynor  17:54, 2 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • Merge with RMS Titanic]. How could a list of food on board expand to infinite size? If someone found accurate info on exactly how many raisins and toothpicks were on nboard, such trivial info could be edited out. The food on board is a large part of what makes to be a luxury cruise. It is not miscellaneous information, because it is the actual provisions on board one of history's most famous and disastrous cruises. We do not have to remove all information from coverage of a disaster-related Wikipedia subject which did not contribute directly to the disaster. If all they served was bread and water, the rich and famous would not have been on board. Edison 23:10, 2 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete - there are literally thousands of pages of archival documents relating to this topic. They all amount to trivia, in a historical perspective. --Haemo 01:04, 9 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • Merge with RMS Titanic]. The list IS encyclopedic - perhaps obsessively so :) - but that's part of the fun of a paper free encyclopedia made up of 0101010101's - we can keep this sort of fascinating but obscure information. Paxse 14:20, 10 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]
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Malaysia Baru[edit]

The result was Delete ck lostsword•T•C 00:05, 8 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

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possible violation of Wikipedia:lyrics Xiaphias 03:18, 2 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

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The result wasSpeedy Delete as G7 (author request) per the notes on this AFD.--Isotope23 16:26, 5 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Business creation[edit]

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It is not clear that this is completely legitimate. Sobar 02:40, 2 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

  • Speedy delete. Author requests deletion. --- RockMFR 02:49, 2 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • Speedy delete Sobar was the initial editor. --Stormbay 03:52, 2 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • Speedy delete I know I was the initial editor, and now I realize, on behalf of the Wikipedia community, that this is an unnecessary page. I might as well be honest and sacrifice my own Wikipedia reputation and say that this, something I wrote, is not worthy of being on Wikipedia. Sobar 18:26, 2 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • Speedy delete CSD G7, tagged article as such. Caknuck 14:19, 5 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was delete. Sr13 21:14, 6 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

LadyParasyte[edit]

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Biographical non-notability not challenged for 30 days. Suspect it is autobiographical. Brianhe 02:34, 2 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was No consensus to delete, merge or keep. Therefore is kept by default JodyB talk 23:51, 10 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Grand Staircase of the Titanic[edit]

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Unimportant staircase. Only "notable" due to its appearance in movies about the Titanic. --- RockMFR 01:47, 2 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

  • Keep. I disagree with the nominator. All main areas (and probably some minor areas) of the Titanic are inherently notable. The article could use some cleanup and rewriting, but the staircase is notable for being a part of the unsinkable sunken ship. The sources listed in the article confirm that explorers of the Titanic and scholars who study the Titanic have covered the subject of the staircase in multiple reliable publications. ≈≈Carolfrog≈≈♦тос♦ 02:18, 2 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • DeleteMerge to RMS Titanic - Sorry, but connection with a notable subject does not make something inherently notable. It has to be notable in its own right. --Hnsampat 02:32, 2 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • Weak Keep. I can't believe I'm in favour of an article for a staircase, but this is a fine one and appears notable on its own. --Stormbay 03:36, 2 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • Firm delete, the staircase is not independently notable, as fine a staircase as it may have been. For an historical artifact or architectural structure, these are extremely weak sources, and two really border on WP:SYN in that the importance is asserted by our article and not our source. I could see an extensive and sourced article on all the ship's notable architecture, but the importance of the staircase is as the nominator states a construct of the James Cameron film Titanic. --Dhartung | Talk 04:17, 2 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete or partially merge into Titanic. It's a staircase. Even though it's one of the most notable/remembered parts of the ship, I believe that the Titanic article should have enough insight into it. --Jacques Pirat Talk 04:38, 2 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete - I don't believe it's anywhere notable enough. The information should be cut down and put into the titanic article. Staircase on the titanic or not, it's still just a staircase! Wikidudeman (talk) 04:39, 2 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • Strong Keep The grand staircase is notable in its own right. CraigMonroe 16:41, 2 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]
    • I think you need to elaborate on that. Morgan Wick 17:03, 2 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]
      • I explained my rational--nothing more is needed. If you don't agree with it, fine. However, since you seem to want more information why, the Grand Staircase is considered by many scholars to be one of the prime examples of design of the gilded age. It was renowned in its time, and is still renowned today. Just because it was in a ship does not meen it is non-notable. CraigMonroe 14:08, 8 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete: C'mon. It's a staircase; what is the basis for proclaiming it notable above and beyond the ship? Yeah, yeah, we've all seen Leo and Kate lounging on a replica in a movie ... and that fictional movie is the source of the image in the article. On that basis, let's create a Front Doorway of Tara article. There is nothing here that cannot be merged into the main article.  RGTraynor  18:01, 2 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete Notability is not inherited. Should we have Shuffle board courts of the Titanic article too how about deck chairs. --Daniel J. Leivick 18:51, 2 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • Merge with the main Titanic article after cutting out a great deal of trivia and original research. There is no good reason to spew out a multitude of articles about every microscopic aspect of an encyclopedic subject, when all that needs to be said would fit into a paragraph in the main article. The sources are of less than reliable and independent quality. It can be verified that there was such a staircase, but outside the movie it does not seem to have been all that important. Ballard also found that the Captain's bathtub is still down there, with hot, cold and saltwater taps, but it does not need an encyclopedia article either. Edison 23:15, 2 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete (merge what is useful). Bucketsofg 23:19, 2 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • Merge and Redirect to the article on the ship. I tried to save this article by adding sources, since the original was a load of urban legends and fiction that someone had taken out of that odious Cameron movie and assumed were factual. The problem is that only in the movies was "the staircase" (in reality, two almost-identical staircases) considered that unusual. Hundreds of staircases throughout the Western World and on dozens of ocean liners were just as ornate. The reason it's considered even marginally notable is because other staircases of its type have mainly been destroyed or renovated, and because it was so ornate that numerous filmmakers have used it as a symbol of the Gilded Age. As a staircase, though, I'm still not convinced it was that notable. --Charlene 04:56, 3 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep Is some huge catastrophe going to befall Wikipedia and the world if we do? Atraxus 20:31, 3 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment: Do you have any grounds to Keep you'd like to advocate?  RGTraynor  01:19, 4 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • Response: Can you answer my question? Atraxus 19:01, 4 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]
I would be happy to answer your question. Don't worry a huge catastrophe would not befall Wikipedia if it is kept. However unencyclopedic articles lower the overall quality of the project. The problem with your argument is that it gets made all the time, if every time some one came along and said "what harm does my article on my schools bathroom do?" we kept the article the encyclopedia would quickly be filled with articles on marginal topics. We have to draw the line somewhere and the community seems to feel that this subject does not pass the bar. --Daniel J. Leivick 19:26, 4 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]
I would be happy to answer any pertinant questions. I rather doubt, for instance, that some huge catastrophe would befall either Wikipedia or the world were your user page replaced with obscenity-laden exhortations to defile schoolchildren, but that would likewise be against Wikipedia policy. I see that you've made less than a half-dozen mainspace edits, so you might be unfamiliar with such policies, and recommend you review WP:NOT, WP:AFD and WP:NN.  RGTraynor  20:18, 4 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]
If you think an article is of poor quality or bringing Wikipedia into disrepute then I can understand its removal. But not just removing articles that you personally don't see the point to which is what this discussion comes down to in the end (I don't care how many policy pages you direct me to... that IS what it comes down). And the "if we let this one get away then the whole thing will be over run with them before long" argument is just hysteria. If you think it brings the website into disrepute then by all means appeal to get rid of it. But if you don't agree with it then don't look at it or make a counter argument. Don't just start ranting about how it should be taken down. Sheesh, I thought we'd left these Internet content arguments back in 1999 Atraxus 20:50, 4 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • Now that some discussion has taken place in response to your question, could you perhaps please provide some reason why this page should be kept? --Hnsampat 21:36, 4 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Fine. This deserves to stay because it covers one of the most unique elements of the ship. Unlike the engines, funnels or propellers which can be discussed in depth generically in pages for ship building or ships, the staircase is a feature which is unique amongst features of the RMS Titanic and staircases in general. I therefore put forward the case that it deserves its own article. Happy now? Atraxus 22:38, 4 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks for explaining. I, however, must disagree for all of the reasons that have been laid out above. --Hnsampat 02:43, 5 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Well what are they exactly? From what I can see it's just a load of people stating that it's non-notable and not being challenged versus a load of people saying it is notable and being asked to elaborate. Maybe you could elaborate on the reasons for non-notability beyond simply stating that it is "non-notable" as most of the deleters seem to have done. And I'm aware where I can find the guidelines for notability so don't simply post a link there. I want to see someone explain exactly why it is not notable with reference to the guidelines rather than simply state "non-notable" and expect that is good enough while at the same time saying that simply stating "notable" with no explanation isn't good enough. Atraxus 18:20, 5 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Very well. The Grand Staircase of the Titanic is non-notable because it has not had "significant coverage" in multiple reliable sources. Sure, it has been mentioned in a few sources as part of a larger discussion of the features of the Titanic (as cited on the page), but it has not been covered extensively. Put another way, the Grand Staircase is not notable in its own right, one of the key requirements for an article to exist about a subject. Hence, while it is proper to include a detailed description of the Grand Staircase in a larger article about the Titanic, it is not proper to have an article strictly devoted to the Grand Staircase. --Hnsampat 23:56, 5 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Well with that attitude Wikipedia would just be regurgitating information that is already out there and the whole thing would have little or no encyclopaedic value at all. Using the argument that you don't like the way it is sourced is just an easy way to go around dismissing articles you don't like Atraxus 10:29, 7 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Please assume good faith on my part. It's not that I don't like the article. It's that it is "unencyclopedic" as defined by various Wikipedia policies. It does not help anyone here if you simply presume that those who argue for deletion here are doing so only because they don't like the article and just dismiss their arguments accordingly. I could easily say that you're basing your arguments on the fact that you do like the article and that therefore we should ignore you, but that would not help anyone, would it? --Hnsampat 18:39, 7 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]
I keep saying that because I keep pointing out that most, if not all, of the arguments for deletion seem to be based in blind faith rather than good faith. I've still not seen any evidence that I haven't already dispatched that the article is 'unencyclopedic'. I'm also noticing that the pro-deleters are switching between 'non-natble', 'unencyclopedia' or 'unreferenced' as to why it should be deleted which doesn't look particularly consistant in terms of having an argument Atraxus 13:18, 8 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • Strong Keep - The Titanic is most certainly notable, and anyone familiar with it's history will know that the grand staircase was one of it's main features. I find the comment about deck chairs offensive and ignorant as this was a centrepiece of the grandest ship to sail the seas at the time, made all the more notable by it's fate. Irishjp 14:35, 6 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • Please do not take offense at my comments, also before you go around labeling people as ignorant you might want to learn a little about Wikipedia yourself, reading up on policies like WP:NPA for a start. To clarify my point I was trying to emphasize why notability is not inherited. If being a piece of something notable grants notability then we should probably have articles like John Edwards hair it has received some specific attention from reliable sources, but it is always in connection with John Edwards, just as this staircase is unlikely to receive attention outside of the Titanic context. --Daniel J. Leivick 17:57, 6 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]
WHAT?! There's no article on John Edwards hair?! >:( Atraxus 15:59, 7 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • If the staircase wasn't noteable on its own how come if you ask most people about the titanic, they'll most likely mention this particular feature?—The preceding unsigned comment was added by 82.36.182.217 (talk • contribs) 01:02, 8 July 2007 (UTC).[reply]
    • That's a rather broad generalization, isn't it? I've talked about the Titanic with many people and the subject of the Grand Staircase has never come up. (What usually does come up are things like how it was supposedly unsinkable and yet sank anyway, icebergs, lifeboats, and how an award-winning movie was made from the ship.) --Hnsampat 01:39, 8 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]
An award winning movie in which thousands of pounds were spent accurately recreating a totally non-notable and irrelevant staircase, eh? Atraxus 13:18, 8 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Using that logic, one could argue that Spire of the Empire State Building deserves to be its own article, since it was accurately recreated in not one but two highly acclaimed films (i.e. the original King Kong and its 2005 remake). However, clearly we would say that any information about the spire of the Empire State Building should be part of the Empire State Building article, not its own separate article. Likewise, nobody is saying that the Grand Staircase of the Titanic is "totally irrelevant and non-notable." The arguments for deletion here are that the staircase is not notable enough to have its own article. --Hnsampat 14:34, 8 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]
I don't know much about the Empire State Building or its spire but it's not out of the question that it could have its own article. And that's a totally shallow understanding of the example I was making too. Atraxus 15:44, 8 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete - I work at an exhibit about the Titanic, right now, and it's definitely not indepedantly notable. --Haemo 01:03, 9 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep, seems notable. Everyking 09:06, 9 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep seems to be a good example of fantastic archeticture --Brent Ward 13:33, 9 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep if it was a feature on the titanic, it is the titanic; the titanic wasn't just an engine, it was all of its features too; and as this is one of its most noteable features i think it should be kept --Hadseys 13:35, 9 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]
    • I must disagree here. First, being a feature of the Titanic does not automatically make it notable, because then even the most minute of objects on the ship would be considered notable. Now, I do agree that this is a somewhat more notable feature than many others, but I do not believe that it is notable enough to have its own article. Just because it's a "good example of fantastic architecture" doesn't mean it's notable enough to have its own article. A discussion of the grand staircase is appropriate as part of a discussion of the features of the Titanic (and I notice that that section is rather short on the Titanic page), but it should not be a separate article. --Hnsampat 11:16, 10 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • Merge into RMS Titanic Will (talk) 15:31, 10 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]
    • I agree. The information is probably worth keeping, just not in an article of its own. So, I'm changing my vote to Merge. --Hnsampat 15:51, 10 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]
      • Question Does this staircase represent a particular achievement in the world of architecture? If not, merge.--Ispy1981 15:59, 10 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • Merge any relevant and notable information (which is unlikely, I think) to Titanic Giggy UCP 22:23, 10 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • Merge into main article. It's clear from the article that the staircase itself hasn't been the subject of works, but has been considered as an interesting part of the ship as a whole. Take away the obvious notability of the ship itself, there's no indication that this particular staircase is or was of particular note beyond its oppulence. Finally, the article only mentions the notability of the staircase as being a featured setpiece in movies made about the ship. Merge the useful information here into the main article, which could use a little more meat in the "Fixtures and fittings" subhead. — Scientizzle 22:25, 10 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was delete. Sr13 21:11, 6 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Is & Chris:The Movie[edit]

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School project film of zero-notablility which gets an impressive zero Google hits. Also nominated for deletion is the equally non-notable Is & Chris:The Movie Soundtrack. Masaruemoto 00:36, 2 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

  • Delete both per nom and WP:CRYSTAL as movie hasn't even been screened yet (article says not until December). Wikipedia is not for films made in school one day. The film's makers might like to know that in real life, "everybody who helped with the movie plus some friends and family" do NOT decide a film's rating (the MPAA does), and in fact most uber-tiny films like this don't even get ratings. Morgan Wick 04:47, 2 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete, as this "movie" lacks sources that would indicate it as being notable per WP standards. See this past deletion of a similar article for precedence. TheLetterM 16:08, 2 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete as non-notable crystal-ballism. Acalamari 18:54, 2 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete per Acalamari. Bucketsofg 23:16, 2 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was delete. Sr13 21:13, 6 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Krizia Vega[edit]

Minor actress in very small roles such as girl with string and wannabe in the three films she was on, I been prodding many of these articles lately but unlike those, she is more of a conterversal prod because of her famous sisters, so I'm placing it here instead. Fails WP:BIO, Delete Jaranda wat's sup 01:33, 2 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Comment This is a tough one. It seems to lack good sources but she does have a level of notability. My instinct would be to delay an article until the notability is firmly established. --Stormbay 03:48, 2 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

  • Delete: What level of notability might that be? Her resume is as an extra, and as a not very busy one at that; my brother-in-law [53] has a resume as large. It doesn't merely seem to lack good sources, it lacks any sources at all save her IMDB entry. This fails WP:BIO going away, and as it stands, she's gained no more notoriety than to be named in her sisters' articles.  RGTraynor  18:06, 2 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete per WP:BIO and nom. Notability is not inherited automatically from sibling to sibling, and Krizia's only credited acting role so far was as a character identified only as "Wannabe #3". If she gets more significant roles, she will get more publicity and then a proper article can be written about her, but not right now. As a remote second choice, redirect to her sister Alexa Vega. --Metropolitan90 04:05, 2 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete, notability is not transferable. --Dhartung | Talk 04:18, 2 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete Article is definitely a non-notable biography, quotes like she speaks Spanish well (in a trivia section) are irrelevant. The Sunshine Man is now Qst 15:11, 2 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete for the above reasonings or re-direct to Alexa Vega instead. Acalamari 18:52, 2 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete per nom. Bucketsofg 23:14, 2 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was delete. Sr13 21:09, 6 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Etheric boxing[edit]

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Confirmed conflict on interest on the noticeboard. The external link from the very two first words seems to indicate an intent to spam; at any rate, there's not much to assert notability. Shalom Hello 01:17, 2 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

  • Delete. No independent sources, just multiple links to the same website. DurovaCharge! 03:58, 2 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete. I have tried to encourage the main editor (see talk page) to find some decent references but I suspect there aren't any and that this is indeed a spammy article with a major conflict of interest. Kim Dent-Brown (Talk to me) 11:16, 2 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete Shalom's reasoning: conflict of interest and hardly anything to assert the notability of the subject. Acalamari 18:50, 2 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete per Shalom. Bucketsofg 23:13, 2 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete for all the shameful reasons noted above. Bearian 00:33, 3 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete per above. MER-C 09:57, 3 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was delete. Sr13 20:04, 6 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

An Iliad Story[edit]

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WP:NOT#CRYSTALBALL and fails WP:V. The film's title get 5 Google hits. Even if it ever gets made, it's unlikely to be notable enough for a Wikipedia article. The article for the production "studio" is also nominated for deletion. Masaruemoto 00:13, 2 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

  • Delete. No Google hits besides creators' sites and Wiki mirrors. No evidence this would be notable even if completed. --Allen 00:45, 2 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete. When it is produced and becomes notable, it should have an article. At present it appears NN. --Stormbay 01:51, 2 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was delete. If their primary film is deleted, this should be as well. Sr13 21:08, 6 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

AirLex Animation Studio[edit]

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Non-notable "studio"; gets only 11 Google hits. Another article for this studio was previously deleted at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/AirLex Animations, so it's a potential speedy as G4, but this was created a year later so probably isn't a repost of the previous article. Masaruemoto 00:17, 2 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

  • Delete. Studio that no third party seems to have written about and has never released anything. --Allen 00:47, 2 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete No works in existence. No sources = OR. the_undertow talk 04:47, 2 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • The studio has a verifiable affiliate, Silver Sky Studios --Lexington 004:17, 3 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]
I don't think anyone would argue that, Lexington. The article itself does not meet criteria for inclusion because there are no sources. the_undertow talk 06:26, 4 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was delete. Sr13 20:02, 6 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Gokhan Ozaysin[edit]

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The subject of the article does not meet the criteria for notability per WP:BIO. No major media coverage or major awards. Article is more of a resume. Nv8200p talk 00:23, 2 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was merge into Menards. —Kurykh 04:27, 11 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Midwest manufacturing[edit]

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I really don't think this passes WP:CORP. Cool Bluetalk to me 00:06, 2 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I'll look into that. Thanks. Cool Bluetalk to me 00:42, 2 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete. It reads like promotional material for the subject. It is a good company, no doubt, but does not appear to meet notability guidelines. --Stormbay 01:55, 2 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • Merge to Menards. This company is apparently a subsidiary/division of Menards and it looks like there has already been a request on the talk page of that article for information related to this company. --- RockMFR 02:42, 2 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • Merge to Menards. A privately held subsidiary, and we have no sources asserting its notability. But a redirect is cheap and as an in-house supplier they merit a mention on the store's page. --Dhartung | Talk 04:22, 2 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • Merge to Menards. Per above. Wikidudeman (talk) 04:36, 2 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • Merge per above. Bucketsofg 23:08, 2 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete. If it does not meet notability guidelines, there is insufficient information to verify - to this point in time - that it is indeed a subsidiary of Menard, Inc. Nbuuck 22:43, 4 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was delete. Sr13 20:00, 6 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Ratman (Dungeons & Dragons)[edit]

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  • Delete. The article admits that this creature is a fan creation rather than a creature from any published or official source. Sean Curtin 01:40, 2 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete - Per nom, and per lack of sourcing. I'll alert the people at WP:D&D, too, to get their opinion. Cool Bluetalk to me 01:48, 2 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • I suggest we consider Keeping it. Ratmen have found their way back into official D&D canon: See here. It urgently needs clarification and better referencing because (I suspect) we are talking about something notable here (inasmuch as D&D monsters are ever notable), but the text of the article can be interpreted to mean that it is a fan creation. BreathingMeat 03:06, 2 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • Unless we start allowing D&D stats in articles like Zoophilia, List of Pokémon, and List of Neopets, Delete. I don't want there to be a Dungeons & Dragons monsters test on the level that Pokémon has had. -Jeske (v^_^v) 03:24, 2 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete- per nom and above. Wikidudeman (talk) 04:35, 2 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • Speedy Delete - Lacks any notability whatsoever, and not even cited. Makes a pretty big claim, I'm pretty sure the concept of "Rat People" has been around a bit longer than D&D, lets say, oh, a good few thousand years of Chinese Mythology.Piuro 05:51, 2 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete. Fan-fiction, and not in any official products. Unverifiable. Sjakkalle (Check!) 06:39, 2 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete per the article: "Ratman is not an official D&D creature". Andrew Lenahan - Starblind 13:16, 2 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete per above. Ganfon 16:34, 2 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete per all. Bucketsofg 23:04, 2 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete per above. Andre (talk) 02:19, 4 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was Merge to History of Freemasonry. Since I know nothing of the topic and there is apparently a whole Wikiproject of people who do, I'll turn this into a redirect, leaving the history behind it so that project members (and other intrepid editors) may take at will from the old content. — Scientizzle 21:28, 10 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Freemasonry in Russia[edit]

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This article has no reliable sources, no context, and gives little to no solid information on the subject. Most of the external links are personal sites ("Obolensky" is a pseudonym for the owner/author of the site the book is on, and the other stuff is mostly on Geocities type sites. The California Freemason article says nothing of value to the history of the article, except to underline that no one really knows about the subject. MSJapan 15:23, 22 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

  • Merge to Freemasonry, not enough info to substantiate separate article, however that little bit can be included in main article --sumnjim talk with me·changes 15:33, 22 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete as per nom ... some of the information might be copied into History of Freemasonry but better sources would need to be found. Blueboar 15:51, 22 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • Note: This debate has been included in the list of Russia-related deletions. -- -- pb30<talk> 16:08, 22 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep Topic is notable and a lack of quality isn't sufficient reason to delete. This article seems to be part of a series and could definitely be improved. Tagging and contacting the freemasonry project would be more constructive. Malc82 21:42, 24 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment - That's where I found it. We have no sources or resources for this, which is why I tagged it. MSJapan 23:03, 24 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment - I'm not so sure that this is a notable topic. Freemasonry spread throughout Europe during the 1700s and the fact that it was instituted in Russia is nothing special. That is was then banned by the Soviets is not all that notable either (just about everything associated with the aristocracy was supressed). Malc82 says this seems to be part of a series... it isn't (the Freemasonry Project discourages "Freemasonry In <country>" articles because we don't consider them notable.) Again, if there are better sources, this might be worth a brief mention in the History of Freemasonry article, but is not notable enough for an article on it's own Blueboar 15:48, 25 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Comment I notified the Wikiproject about this AfD 4 days ago. Since this garnered no response at all, I strike my "Keep" opinion and remain neutral. I still think that an encyclopedic article could be written about this topic, but since nobody seems to intend to improve this article this may not be enough of an argument. Malc82 23:00, 28 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep It needs expanding by someone who knows more history than me, but, not that even masterpieces of fiction are prime sources for Wikipedia, the place of freemasonry in the novel "War and Peace" shows that Russian freemasonry was unique in being a left-wing group, in contrast to the right-wing leanings of Western freemasonry. This is interesting, and the article needs expansion, not deletionDaverotherham 21:28, 29 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]
    • Comment - The following is my own original research, and thus not suitable for including in the article... but... knowing the history of Freemasonry in general (and in Europe in particular), I can address Daverotherham's comments. There were really two different forms of Freemasonry in Russia. There was what I will call English style Freemasonry... non-political, purely fraternal, with a philosophical, charitable and moral focus. This form of Freemasonry was favored by the aristocracy and upper-middle classes throughout Europe. Then there is French style Freemasonry... highly political, anti-clerical, with a focus on radical egalitarianism. This tended to attract the bourgouise intelegencia and (to a lesser extent) the working classes in Europe. This is the Freemasonry that Tolstoy is writing about. It is more tied to France than to Russia (actually, this form of Masonry is more tied to the various revolutionary movements of the 1840s than to 1812... Tolstoy is a bit anacronistic in how he uses the fraternity in "War and Peace".) But back to Russia... In Russia, you had both forms. Neither was really liked by the government (whether Tsarist and Soviet), and the fratenity was actively surpressed. During the Soviet era, what small footholds the fraternity had were completely wiped out. All records were destroyed. References to it were banned. Thus, while we know that Freemasonry did have an on-again off-again existance in Russia prior to the soviet era, we have no reliable sources to use in writing about it. Yes, this would be an interesting topic to have as an article... but anything we might write would be pure speculation. Malc82 did not get any response to his notification at the Project Page... not out of indifference, but because the editors who form the project agree with deletion: because 1) there are no sources, and 2) one of our project goals is to cut back on "Freemasonry in <location>" articles. Blueboar 19:45, 4 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • Thanks for the clarification. Malc82 21:26, 4 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]
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