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Hey Doug,
The editor Mikola22 is pov pushing ([1]), edit warring with multiple editors and removing referenced content ([2]), edit warring with multiple editors and adding poorly referenced content ([3], [4]), adding poorly referenced content ([5]), WP:FORUM (Talk:Serbs of Croatia), etc. Can you take a look at this discussion? He's Clearly not being here to build an encyclopedia. He's in some mission to push his nationalist agenda. And I'm suspecting he have some relationship with the disruptive editor User:Ceha ([6], [7]) Regards -TheseusHeLl (talk) 18:21, 6 December 2019 (UTC)
ping editors who interacted with him: @Slatersteven:, @Sadko:, @TU-nor:, @Santasa99:, @Nicoljaus: -TheseusHeLl (talk) 18:35, 6 December 2019 (UTC)
Thanks. I was just about to ask if you would take a look at their talk, actually ECed with you, but you left basically what I was about to leave them. Heiro 19:33, 7 December 2019 (UTC)
Hi, I note that you consider some, but not all editors of the white privilege page to fall under Discretionary sanctions notice for post-1932 American politics and living or recently deceased people. I wonder whether it would more efficient to place the page itself on the Discretionary sanctions list? This way all the editors of that page will be under notice. Keith Johnston (talk) 18:49, 9 December 2019 (UTC)
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Re unlinking centuries, etc. In the MOS, it would very helpful if the MOS guidance on centuries, etc., could be explicit about not linking them. Otherwise, editors get accused of disruptive edits and told to revert their work, like me on my talk page. Hmains (talk) 00:23, 9 December 2019 (UTC)
I have been reverting many times ips who are adding that incident. I have requested a protection yesterday but there is no response.--SharabSalam (talk) 08:50, 12 December 2019 (UTC)
Hi Doug,
With the release of IG Horowitz report, related comments by AG Barr and US Prosecutor Durham and the Senate Judiciary hearing December 11, 2019 regarding the report's findings, it is obvious massive edits to Carter Page's Wikipedia page are in order.
Wikipedia paints a highly unbalanced and, we now know, false picture of Carter Page. This Naval Academy graduate has been a lifelong patriot who worked with the CIA for decades. He worked with the FBI to uncover and succesfully prosecute a Russian spy ring. The IG report found it was this same FBI that knowingly and falsely accused him in a FISA warrant of being an FBI spy in order to gain access to spy on the Trump campaign and later Trump presidency. FBI lawyer Kevin Clinesmith knowingly withheld exculpatory information from the warrants used to grant access to spy on Page and manufactured false evidence to support the warrant.
Wikipedia is refusing to publish those facts revealed by the Horowitz investigation including links to the report.
As you know, Carter Page is suing for defamation. Wikipedia's biased biography and refusal to permit edits exonerating him will be useful in his efforts. — Preceding unsigned comment added by AlexisDeToq (talk • contribs) 16:30, 13 December 2019 (UTC)
Hello Dough,
I wanted to show why I removed those two sources saying this:
Like I wanted to explain the Sikhs of Peshawar are indeed "Pashtun" Sikh but not by Ancestry, here is source that explains it:
How the Sikhs settled in Khyber-Pakhtunkhwa
can you please with all your respect just take a look on this source so you will also understand what I am trying to say. Thank you.
Casperti (talk) 14:09, 15 December 2019 (UTC)
Have the traditional Lucia fare: coffee, gingerbread, saffron buns. A Nobel Day urban legend (or possibly a true story) tells of an American Nobel laureate who was woken early in the morning by Lucia and her handmaidens, all in long white sheets and carrying candles, and was terrified, thinking it was the KKK coming for him. Bishonen | talk 17:00, 13 December 2019 (UTC).
Hi, Doug. About Hawass et al, in fact, the study does not state that E1b1a is a sub-Saharan haplogroup, but merely states that the 8 mR Y-DNA markers of the mummies belong to the E1b1a haplogroup. But considering that the fact that E1b1a is sub-Saharan is public, notorious and incontroversial (including the specific Wikipedia article), I saw no problem mentioning it. But if you prefer to suppress information about the sub-Saharan origin of E1b1a to fit the edit on Wikipedia rules, I see no problem. I know that the main purpose of the paper by Hawass et al is not to address the population origin of mummies, but this does not nullify the fact that the authors categorically state that the 8 markers analyzed belong to haplogroup E1b1a, and this is of great relevance to those who is interested in the population history of Egypt. And this conclusion is not only about the relationship between the mummies, it is a conclusion resulting from the general analysis of the markers obtained.
About Gourdine et al, Wikipedia's own standards provide that "self-published expert sources may be considered reliable when produced by an established expert on the subject matter, whose work in the relevant field has previously been published by reliable, independent publications". The article in question, although a preprint, was written by SOY Keita (renowned anthropologist, expert in Egypt, with a long history of publications on the subject), Alain Anselin (expert archaeologist in Egypt, also with long history of publications on the subject), Jean Luc Gourdine and Jean-Phillipe Gourdine (geneticists with numerous published articles). I believe that, considering the authors' notorious knowledge, they fit the Wikipedia rules for self-published articles, so I see no reason to reverse the publication.
I am not exactly new to Wikipedia, as I have been editing for some years in the Portuguese version. Anyway, thank you for your attention and apologize for exalting me. If you can reconsider your reversals, I will be happy. Dealmeida87 (talk) 22:31, 16 December 2019 (UTC)
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Hi. Tirgil34 was globally locked on October 27, 2019.[12] He is still editing with his sock Hirabutor at Wiktionary, making attacks against myself and others.[13] He has recently been making similar attacks against you at Gutian people[14] and on Youtube.[15] I do not appear to be able to file a request for a global lock for Hirabutor at Steward requests/Global. How do i do it? Krakkos (talk) 21:20, 15 December 2019 (UTC)
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I did not remove anyone's section. That section was started by me, and removed because, looking back, my tone and approach seemed inappropriate. I then started a new section, and fine-tuned my argument. The original criticism is there, just re-framed in a new section.Jonathan f1 (talk) 22:26, 20 December 2019 (UTC)
Please keep this in mind. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Edit5001 (talk • contribs) 13:24, 21 December 2019 (UTC)
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Got it. So I can draft the dit with the proof and ask you to kindly look it over? I appreciate the help. JavierSeguraSr (talk) 21:54, 21 December 2019 (UTC)
Hi,
Thanks for the note about removing my edits. I'm obviously a noobie here. I was wondering if you could gve me pointers because after reading instructional documentation, I'm unsure how to proceed since the existing Eridu page is heavily dependent on the old location from a contribution standpoint and what I'm doing, is stating that the original location of Eridu, is wrong. How do I go about sharing the new location of Eridu on that page? Obviously, UNESCO won't be pleased but the location is incorrect and must be corrected. I also do not see how the original contributor proves the site is accurate, it does not state why that location was chosen. Seeing that it was published without a compelling argument fpr why that location was chosen says to me that I can refute without needing to prove them wrong. I can edit the location, and the onus is on the original contributors to prove me wrong. Thanks for your help. JavierSeguraSr (talk) 19:59, 21 December 2019 (UTC)
Read List of regions by past GDP (PPP)#World.
China was largest economy from the 1500-1699 and 19th century. But not the 18th century. But the article at this moment claims that it was the largest economy from 1500 - 1830, which misrepresents history. Can you fix this? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 27.57.165.89 (talk) 12:19, 22 December 2019 (UTC)
Hi Doug. Would you be able to take a look at this diff, and if you agree that it is appropriate, revdel it? It seems abusive to use archive.org to look the the deadnames of trans people on old pages. --DanielRigal (talk) 21:34, 23 December 2019 (UTC)
Hi Doug, as you know there are continuous edits in recent days on Etruscans, Latins (Italic tribe), Etruscan origins of the same user, despite being rolled back several times. In general I think that this of the SNPs is irrelevant information with respect to what is the main focus of the articles, so much so that in the same study is only in the supp info and the authors do not draw any conclusions and do not make any comments. However, I have tried to improve the paragraph that is now more faithful to the graphic figure, and I left a message in the talk pages of each article. But the same user, now with the account User:LambdofGod, insists on imposing his version, without showing any willingness to cooperate. --Tursclan (talk) 14:28, 17 December 2019 (UTC)
It is located in the supplementary information. Even Tursclan found it. About commenting, I am exposing a fact, not my personal opinion, and the data are autoevident for anyone with a minimum of genetic knowledge. You can't really expect the authours to write a paragraph for all their 40-50 images. If you delete this, you have also to delete 70-80% of material about genetics from wikipedia. LambdofGod (talk) 08:30, 24 December 2019 (UTC)
Hello Doug Weller. Please have a look at these exhausting discussions[17][18][19]. There are WP:COI, WP:PROFRINGE, and WP:IDHT issues with a new editor. Puduḫepa 08:02, 24 December 2019 (UTC)
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Hi there Doug,
I made some changes to writer and director, Dianne Houston's page yesterday. It seems that you have reverted the page back to its original form. I see that I forgot to provide my reasoning for the edits. My apologies. I am a student of African American film and television and the information on her page was very much outdated and some of it was outright wrong. I just wanted to update it to reflect her most recent work as well as correct some discrepancies. I also added two new sources to the bottom and removed one that provided false information. Let me know how I go about having the changes I made reflected on the page. Thanks for all you do.
Hi Doug,
> The problem is that you have analysed a primary source, while what we need is an independent analysis from a source that meets WP:RS.
So for clarity, if I had cited a compliant source making the same observations as my analysis, that would have been permissible? Sorry for being thick. I am (as you guessed) a new editor with no formal journalism background and not much knowledge of how Wikipedia works.
Hello, my edits to the articles about Kingdom of Israel (both United and Samaria) has been removed because of lack of academic sources. I've just found a book about contemporary name of ancient Israel, but does it count as an 'academic source'? Medted (talk) 06:17, 27 December 2019 (UTC)
Then I'll cite it, thanks. Medted (talk) 03:15, 28 December 2019 (UTC)
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Hope all is well with you and yours Doug. Long time no speak! - LouisAragon (talk) 17:19, 28 December 2019 (UTC)
Hey Doug,
I added my thoughts to the Talk Page of the Exodus Movement. As I stated, I'm new to all of this, so I'm not sure what the next steps are or what to do to receive a response. Thanks for bearing with me. 108.29.173.226 (talk) 15:19, 30 December 2019 (UTC)
Hello Doug Weller. It would be great if you watchlist certain pages related to PIE topics for some time. We currently have CU-blocked LTAs[21][22] and one SPA[23] making questionable and contentious edits - all push the same point of view. The pages need to be monitored by an admin. Puduḫepa 07:33, 31 December 2019 (UTC)
Doug Weller,
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Regarding my source: The information was already on the page; I just did the date arithmetic. As for letting people do their own arithmetic, the previuos paragraph already specified how much younger his 2nd wife was. — Preceding unsigned comment added by BBuchbinder (talk • contribs) 15:27, 1 January 2020 (UTC)
Hi Doug,
I was wondering if you're interested in fleshing out the article for a more proper inclusion of the deleted "see also" Wikilinks, because it's still pretty much a stub article. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.177.11.75 (talk) 18:23, 1 January 2020 (UTC)
Yes, I would like to be "adopted" by a more experienced editor, if you have time : ) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Gaurarjun (talk • contribs) 18:53, 31 December 2019 (UTC)
Gaurarjun (talk) 18:55, 31 December 2019 (UTC)
Of course, I understand, time is something we are all short of : ) I appreciate you welcoming me and pls do let me know if i can be of help : ) Gaurarjun (talk) 19:12, 1 January 2020 (UTC)
I provided a reason as to why I edited the Wikipedia article for national-anarchism. It was heavily biased, which goes against Wikipedia's claims to objectivity. The version I edited together provided a bunch of citations, and better citations than the ones formerly posted. — Preceding unsigned comment added by NewRuins012 (talk • contribs) 09:20, 2 January 2020 (UTC)
In case you haven't seen this: I already provided a reason as to why I blanked huge sections of that Wikipedia article. Firstly, as I pointed out, both in my original comment and in the one I sent to you, that the information was, entirely, biased. Unlike other articles on anarchism, and general politics and philosophy, the article only presented one side of the debate, claiming it was a far-right, or right-wing, belief system, despite the official movement claiming otherwise. These are all interpretations of national-anarchism, and not what national-anarchists have stated themselves. Hence, the necessity of leaving quotations. "We are not neutral" is the problem, especially when you criticise my editing as being biased. There is no bias in pointing out what an ideology claims it is, because, seeing the ideologues of this ideology, as for any ideology, quite literally created it, they're the only ones entitled to say what it is and isn't, not random editors who go in editing with an obvious absence of objectivity. Secondly, the sections I removed, and replaced with new ones, weren't saying anything of value, weren't adding anything productive to the page. It doesn't, at all, explain what national-anarchism is, or, what national-anarchists adhere to. It is biased and doesn't use their words at all, instead, inserting made up information, none of which has been confirmed by the political movement itself. — Preceding unsigned comment added by NewRuins012 (talk • contribs) 09:34, 2 January 2020 (UTC)
Note page history. It appears that whoever was behind Special:Contributions/177.135.52.200 back in April has returned again. [24] Home Lander (talk) 20:17, 2 January 2020 (UTC)
Hi Doug, There's a recently created account that seems on the basis of its edits only to be there to quote himself - OukBeta2020 = Steve Reece. Does this transgress self-publicity guidelines? Sweetpool50 (talk) 07:51, 2 January 2020 (UTC)
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Dear Mr Weller : It would be better if you would reply to my points on the Isaiah talk page, rather than making remarks about me on the Mos page. I believe ‘lol’ stands for ‘laugh out loud’. I’m all in favour of a good laugh. What is the joke? Sweet6970 (talk) 16:07, 5 January 2020 (UTC)
Sorry Doug, I was sleeping when you posted this. I don't see a question asked of me other than Rusf10's demand for me to produce additional evidence of hounding. I think most of the admins saw through his wikilawyering, so I didn't bother to respond, knowing that it would generate even more chaotic discussion among Rusf10's defenders. I'm satisfied that he was warned not to do it again and that the incident is on record. I do appreciate you and the others taking it seriously though. Best. - MrX 🖋 12:11, 6 January 2020 (UTC)
Thanks for reverting the vandalism on proto-writing! I was about to but you got it first!
Appreciate your and the other admins and editors contributions to Wikipedia! — Preceding unsigned comment added by 162.250.173.66 (talk) 14:31, 6 January 2020 (UTC)
Dear User:Doug Weller, thank you so much for the kind wish on my talk page! I really appreciate it and am happy to be back! With regards, AnupamTalk 22:07, 7 January 2020 (UTC)
Hi Doug,
Where do I go if I suspect an editor has been logging out to edit war? I know SPI doesn't really deal with IPs unless they're behaviorally similar to a blocked sockpuppeteer. Thanks!--Ermenrich (talk) 14:21, 8 January 2020 (UTC)
Hi Doug, you've also struck through a couple of legit posts here, at the tail end (one your own). Presumbaly not your intention. Mutt Lunker (talk) 17:53, 8 January 2020 (UTC)
You come across as impartial, please feel free to rephrase, and action on my edit request: Talk:Qadiani#Semi-protected_edit_request_on_11_January_2020. Thanks. 58.182.172.95 (talk) 20:21, 11 January 2020 (UTC)
Hi, if you say can I delete or try to rephrase the page. Regards Azmarai76 (talk) 19:55, 12 January 2020 (UTC)
I noticed that you deleted the sentence citing Graham Hancock's interview with Joe Rogan from the article on the Younger Dryas impact hypothesis (YDIH). I had included this reference not to promote either Hancock or Rogan, but to document the place of the YDIH in the discourse of popular pseudoarchaeology. This podcast had an exceptionally high number of listeners and therefore represented what I thought was a high-impact source. Hoopes (talk) 00:31, 13 January 2020 (UTC)
There have been some recent edits to diminish the content of the article with respect to the place of the YDIH in pseudoarchaeology. However, this content is well-documented and relevant and highlights the ongoing place of the YDIH and previous theories about comet impacts and human history in popular culture. Hoopes (talk) 00:36, 13 January 2020 (UTC)
Greetings Doug, hope you're well. I was wondering if you could take a look at Warsangali Sultanate, an article of interest to Middayexpress that caught my attention as original research and/or potentially CIRCULAR pushed by Midday. Prior to creation of article on Wikipedia (9 Oct 2004), there is very little mention of the subject anywhere, Google returns nothing [25], nothing on Google Books either [26] or Scholar [27]. Much of the content of the original uploaded article was taken verbatim from a self-published site Warsangali.org [28]. Would appreciate any thoughts you have on this, my question is two fold 1) Is there something to the OR/CIRCULAR issue in your opinion? and 2) If there is, what can be done about it? Kind regards. --Kzl55 (talk) 16:25, 11 January 2020 (UTC)
Hello. I am sorry to bother you, and I hope this post is not too long. I am writing regarding a user (USER:Dalhoa) repeatedly reinstated what I believe to be a WP:OR and WP:POV edit to the Human page while (for the most part) refusing to discuss and ignoring the issues raised by me regarding it, both in the edit notes and on the article's Talk page (along with showing a tendency toward blatant and quite aggressive incivility and a refusal to listen). I filed a report at "Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents" but no one there has responded (despite my complaint having been there for a while and all other complaints made later than mine having received responses). I also had made a complaint there on another occasion regarding the user Dalhoa, but I believe it also never got a response, and am now uncertain as to what to do about the issue.
Dalhoa made their edit to the Human page based on (I believe) a tenuous interpretation of one source (an interpretation not explicit in the source, or even really implicit) in contradiction to more general scholarly opinion of the subject (which was supported by several sources) and they put their interpretation the lede as though it was the authoritative opinion on the issue (which I believe to be WP:OR - and even if their one source did support them its use in the lede would still be WP:UNDUE)). I reverted them again after they (for a final time) continued to reinstate their desired edit (during the process of our discussion) without having adequately discussed the issue in Talk (having ignored several of the issues raised, and ignoring most recent responses to them, seemingly having little interest in reaching consensus), but I noticed that my latest reversion of them violated the 3-revert rule and so I self-reverted (undid my reversion), and so Dalhoa's edit is currently in the article's lede.
Here is the report I made at "Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents" for more detail (with links): My post is entitled "User:Dalhoa repeatedly making unsupported edit and reverting with little willingness to discuss" https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Administrators%27_noticeboard/Incidents#User:Dalhoa_repeatedly_making_unsupported_edit_and_reverting_with_little_willingness_to_discuss. (The post was getting no responses and so I reposted it at the ANI board (also informing Dalhoa again but specifying that it was about the same issue as before - I was unsure what to do)
For greater convenience, I have copied part of my complaint here below (since the link above does not seem, from my device at least, to directly link to it):
Here is the edit history of the Human article: https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Human&action=history and the incomplete discussion in that Article's Talk page (which the user Dalhoa refused to finish before reinstating their edit again): https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Human#Behavioral_modernity
Here is a recent exchange I had with them in which they persistently engaged in a uncivil manner (without making clear what their dispute was despite) and seemingly refused to listen and inaccurately characterized statements made by me while making accusations despite my requesting them to be civil repeatedly). https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Recent_African_origin_of_modern_humans#recent_changes Another instance of persistent incivility (my first exchange with them) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Horn_of_Africa#Jebel_Irhoud_in_Morocco_obsession
Again, I apologize for the length of this post. It is not my intention to post a wall of text, but rather I hope to include all necessary details. Would it be possible for you to take a look at this at some point? I hope this is not an inappropriate place to post this. I am still somewhat new to Wikipedia and its rules/protocols. Any response is appreciated. Thank you, and thank you for your time. Skllagyook (talk) 21:07, 10 January 2020 (UTC)
Thank you very much for addressing this. Skllagyook (talk) 18:11, 11 January 2020 (UTC)
Hello. I am sorry to bother you again, but Dalhoa has not addressed the issues raised (despite the one message left on his Talk page by USER:EdJohnston, to which Dalhoa mainly responded by continuing to accuse me and others of misconduct and announce their intention to report me and possibly others to the No original research noticeboard. And EdJohnston did not responded to them again - (Here [[30]]). I am not sure what to do about this issue, or about the Human page particularly. If I try to continue to discuss the issue (regarding the Human page) with Dalhoa they will likely continue to ignore me (or make accusations without listening, as before), and if I edit it again, Dalhoa will likely simply revert me (and continue to be uncivil).Skllagyook (talk) 23:10, 12 January 2020 (UTC)
I understand your decision to not include my edits. But, I wish that attention could be given to the Shanidar Cave page to see if you might agree that there exists opinions of others, that has been presented as fact. In the article, it is suggested that a medical amputation caused the loss of the limb of the skeletal remains on the basis of a break in a nearby bone of the arm. It states that the limb fell off later, after injury which quite possibly could be accurately be known on the basis of xray if bones do not deteriorate over thousands of years, that would show pockets in marrow as lucent lesions from disease throughout the bone. And then following this there is a speculation that appears to have a century 2000, medical-pharmaceutical trained rationalized assesment that is not based on fact, implicating that the arm was amputated. "If the arm was amputated, this demonstrates one of the earliest signs of surgery on a living individual. The arm had healed, but the injury may have caused some paralysis down his right side, leading to deformities in his lower legs and feet." Further, you might notice the speculation that the injury caused paralysis down his right side... This is blatently unscientific and likely not true. Paralysis does lead to non-use of a limb that would have affect on bone wear but this is highly speculative in the assessment giving. For certain, an injured arm does not cause paralysis of the right side. An injury to the brain, similar to stroke or a vertabral injury to the spinal column could. A bone infection might that spread to the vertebrae or spine but this is not mentioned. Further the bone spurs and growths noted in the article concerning the ear bones can be caused by conditions that affect trabacular bone. In long bones tumors can be caused by fractures in brittle bones, fibrous dysplasia, Paget's disease and osteosarcoma (These disease are well known in the scientific community in countries such as India, where water is naturally over fluoridated as being part of skeletal fluorosis. In the US, these same horrific conditions etiology is denied by medical research that states for the laymen that the the cause is either unknown or the cause is not clear. The same is true with the epidemic need for tooth whitening in the US- caused by fluoride exposure that makes brittle yellow teeth and for most is a condition that has little to do with a lack of brushing.) When there is fluoride exposure, the bone fractures due to brittleness and will heal abnormally due to the affect of the calcium metabolism; one of these formations is an onion skin boney callous over slight pathological fractures that would only occur in normal bone from either great stress but in fluorosis, moderate, normal or less than normal weight bearing. Some types of bone such as ear bones, hip and jaw are trabacular and respond differently to fluoride than medulary bone leading to all kinds of skeletal deformities. India has endemic skeletal fluorosis and hence images of severe examples can be readily accessed in their medical literature. Most countries in that region where there is ample fluoride deposits that contaminate drinking water and soil and hence vegetation and animals, do a better job than India has done in removing natural fluoride from water. Medulary bones, such as the leg bones in skeletal fluorosis do another peculiar thing during growth related to healing fractures, such as causing bow leggedness and what is called Shepherd's Crook, that has the appearance in what should be a staight strong bone like the femur, as being curved. (See xrays of fluorosis, Shepherd's crook, especially in India.) So, given this, What I included in my edit was only that knowledge that fluoride is abundant in the area where the skeletal remains were found because this could as likely be the cause of the bone deformity as having an early injury to the arm. In the current article it states that the deformity and limp were painful. This again is speculative- and if one believes their hypotheis of paralysis, this indicates loss of nerve continuity of a great magnitude, that would obliterate sensation such as pain, hot, cold--as well as tactile sensation. While perhaps my assessment of the condition of the skeleton is not accurate, which is why I stated "could have as likely been caused by" in reference to the severed limb by an animal bite), the assessment on the present Wikipedia page is full of assessments that even a person as ignorant as I may be can poke holes in. Hypothesis should not be come part of an encylopdia content, because when it is allowed, it opens the doors to other hypothesis. When Wikipedia allows for hypothesis to exist without allowing for other similar opinions, this gives rise to complaints against Wikipedia, such as appearing to desire influencing a topic for whatever reason. As such, I fully appreciate that you rejected my hypothesis but with all due respect, I believe that someone should also re-edit the current page to fully eliminate all the hypothesis state in the article. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.224.159.97 (talk) 20:23, 13 January 2020 (UTC)
I think Humanengr needs a block or ban from BLPs and American politics. You've already commented at User_talk:Humanengr#1RR_violation, and I've added to the discussion, pointing out canvasing and long-term edit-warring. There's a related discussion, User_talk:Humanengr#Tulsi_Gabbard_and_SIF, by MrX, where a number of related problems have been pointed out. At this point, enforcement just for edit-warring seems to fall far short of addressing all the problems. I'm thinking WP:ANI or WP:AE. There are other problems from other editors, obviously, given all the edit-warring and lengthy talk page discussions. Thoughts? --Ronz (talk) 18:17, 13 January 2020 (UTC)
And the BLPN discussion, Wikipedia:Biographies_of_living_persons/Noticeboard#Tulsi_Gabbard, is now blowing up. --Ronz (talk) 18:31, 13 January 2020 (UTC)
User:Xenagoras has appealed your arbitration enforcement block at WP:AE. Bishonen | talk 10:06, 14 January 2020 (UTC).
Hi Doug. I don't think we've ever really interacted before so I admit it's a bit awkward for me to come here asking what I'm about to ask. However, I think you might be the right person and generic pleas haven't worked. This revolves around a despute over drug pricing and what guidance should be in the MOS about it. If you click on that link I summarize things up until recently, but if that doesn't do it for you I'd be happy to do so here. At this point I think there needs to be a different person focused on mediating the RfC towards launch from the person addressing the behavior around that discussion, which is elgible for MOS AE. For a while I could do both, but I don't think that's tenable anymore. While I could be either of these people, it seemed like you might be a person who could handle the AE/behavior element of it. Thoughts? Best, Barkeep49 (talk) 00:31, 14 January 2020 (UTC)
Hi Doug, I have only encountered this bizarrely impolite level of hostility rarely and wondered if you had a perspective on the best way to respond to or deal with it. Might be a bit soon for ANI. I could ignore the tone and respond regarding the deficiencies of their argument but feel they may have forfeited much right to a continued dialogue. It's more strongly worded but not their first such remark and they appear to have a bit of a checkered past. Mutt Lunker (talk) 14:19, 14 January 2020 (UTC)
https://alchetron.com/Durrani-Empire#demo
This is the most perfect map with time line, dates and details. Can you uploud it please. thank you. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2001:4643:C8EC:0:B88F:9C6D:8AEE:6A9F (talk) 16:58, 17 January 2020 (UTC)
I namechecked you on WP:ANI re Keith Johnston. Guy (help!) 19:53, 17 January 2020 (UTC)
Might you be able to offer a little assistance with this very stubborn supporter of including the Christ myth theory supporter Richard Carrier as showing the flaws in academic methodology at Historicity of Jesus? Talk:Historicity of Jesus#Richard Carrier.He keeps asking me for the policy defining Carrier as a fringe figure even though I've pointed him to wp:fringe and wp:rs multiple times. In fact, despite preventing me from removing Carrier, he even made me tell him what Carrier was being cited for!--Ermenrich (talk) 23:49, 17 January 2020 (UTC)
I don’t believe I owe any editors an apology. One has finally come forward and posted a notice that the page I edited does appear to be a propaganda page. Perhaps this wasn’t known when this note was posted to my page?
If my edits were wrong, then you need to correct the page covering the 2009 security breach at the White House. That page (thanks to others, not me) has these facts. And there has been no explanation as to why the bot claims to do routine/tedious edits, but has delved I to things that would require judgement as to if it is “loaded” or “negative” — things requiring human judgement.
Are there bots operated by PR companies? Can’t imagine they wouldn’t try such a thing.
And also, on the question “why would you expect a tool to talk to you” the answer is that if it did talk to me by sending me a message saying it undid my edit, and if it put the accusation in the edit line that the edit was vandalism, then it is reasonable for me to think it could explain itself to me when it posts to my page. Simult2018 (talk) 09:12, 19 January 2020 (UTC)
Has anyone here showed good faith to me? No. Simult2018 (talk) 09:21, 19 January 2020 (UTC)
Hi Doug, Would you mind keeping an eye on User:Tympanus? He appears to be a single purpose account promoting the website of a single fringe author. See especially this post [32] where he threatens to edit war over the inclusion of the website and its fringe views? I'll note that he also appears to be at the very least in contact with the fringe author, Rolf Badenhausen, as evidenced here [33], but given the nature of his contributions it seems possible there's actually a conflict of interest going on here, i.e. he might actually be Badenhausen (because who else would care whether his website saying that Dietrich von Bern is from Bonn was included?). --Ermenrich (talk) 18:05, 19 January 2020 (UTC)
Hello Doug,
My additions to the Islamic eschatology page are not unfounded. Also, I received this:
Discretionary sanctions notice for post-1932 American politics and the Arab-Israeli conflict Commons-emblem-notice.svg This is a standard message to notify contributors about an administrative ruling in effect. It does not imply that there are any issues with your contributions to date. You have shown interest in the Arab–Israeli conflict. Due to past disruption in this topic area, a more stringent set of rules called discretionary sanctions is in effect. Any administrator may impose sanctions on editors who do not strictly follow Wikipedia's policies, or the page-specific restrictions, when making edits related to the topic.
For additional information, please see the guidance on discretionary sanctions and the Arbitration Committee's decision here. If you have any questions, or any doubts regarding what edits are appropriate, you are welcome to discuss them with me or any other editor. Commons-emblem-notice.svg This is a standard message to notify contributors about an administrative ruling in effect. It does not imply that there are any issues with your contributions to date. You have shown interest in post-1932 politics of the United States and closely related people. Due to past disruption in this topic area, a more stringent set of rules called discretionary sanctions is in effect. Any administrator may impose sanctions on editors who do not strictly follow Wikipedia's policies, or the page-specific restrictions, when making edits related to the topic.
For additional information, please see the guidance on discretionary sanctions and the Arbitration Committee's decision here. If you have any questions, or any doubts regarding what edits are appropriate, you are welcome to discuss them with me or any other editor.
In my recollection, I do not recall editing any pages that have to do with the Arab-Israeli conflict or American Politics. So I am confused by this. If sanctions are imposed on my editing they are completely unwarranted considering I have added is at all irrelevant or inappropriate. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Crucs (talk • contribs) 21:57, 20 January 2020 (UTC)
Hello, days ago I made some edits that were reverted on Category:Russian fascists, and other categories, and also on the Anti-capitalism article, my edits were considered disruptive. I asked the user who reverted why that is the case, and he said I can refer to the reasons they were previously reverted by you, so I just came here to ask, what exactly is wrong with those edits? -- 177.159.25.172 (talk) 14:53, 21 January 2020 (UTC)
You appear not to have been notified, despite being named in this ANI thread. I suspect you may want to respond: [35] 86.134.74.102 (talk) 07:42, 22 January 2020 (UTC)
Could you and @Drmies: perhaps have a look at this article? As a non-logging editor, I am hesitant to do the sorts of bold edits that I had historically, and so call attention regarding the very major issues to you both. At the article Danger Days: The True Lives of the Fabulous Killjoys, the lead is largely unsourced material, and the opening 2 sections, the second a very long one (Production), are completely devoid of supporting citations—not a one, over 8 paragraphs and 4000 characters. The sections that follow fare only a little better, with 10-20% of content sourced in some sections following. I personally feel that such gross tracts that violate WP:OR and WP:VERIFY should simply be removed. But it takes a consensus of logging editors to accomplish this, so I leave it with you. Cheers. 204.62.118.241 (talk) 00:03, 23 January 2020 (UTC)
Hi Doug,
I don't know where to post it (ANI, EW, RPP?), but I think that Germanic peoples (>2000 views per day) needs admin attention. Two editors rip the page to pieces, and especially one of them plays a very unpleasant game (content forking and shifting the scope of the article under the guise of a size split), and becomes increasingly agressive and uncivil in his talk entries. The talk page is spammed with new topics every day, and I am not the only editor who holds back with comments, which likely will be drowned in the endless flood of exchanges by the two dominant and dominating editors. One of the warring editors already went to ANI which resulted in an admonition.
The scope of the article is disputed, and without consensus about the latter by the community, there should be no major changes from the last stable version (whatever it is in this case). Being relatively unexperienced in wikidrama (except for SPIs), I have no idea if this is achieved by full PP and/or other means directly involving the warring editors. –Austronesier (talk) 14:24, 20 January 2020 (UTC)
Thanks, Doug! –Austronesier (talk) 16:43, 20 January 2020 (UTC)
Please, start dispute resolution. There's been too much discussion now, WP:TLDR, while I don't doubt the good intentions of both of you. A volunteer may be able to help you out here. Joshua Jonathan -Let's talk! 09:25, 21 January 2020 (UTC)
@Fram: - Last week Andrew Lancaster flagrantly broke the 3RR rule, and received a warning (i received one too). The article Germani was subsequently protected.[45] Andrew Lancaster then resumed edit warring at Germanic peoples. Dougweller then protected Germanic peoples,[46] and warned Andrew Lancaster (and me) that additional edit warring might result in a block.[47] Today i spent some time cleaning up the article Germania, while adding additional sources and content.[48] Andrew Lancaster has now followed me to the Germania article, and resumed edit warring by reverting the key content that i added.[49] Krakkos (talk) 20:50, 23 January 2020 (UTC)
@Doug Weller: Apart from the latest "leading question" RFC, I think someone should look at the systematic sweep of similar edits Krakkos has made today (26th Jan 2020). Most of the edits involve the loading up of massive footnotes which cite dictionaries and other weak sources in the middle of leads, often in the middles of sentences - all clearly to do with ON-GOING discussions on Germanic peoples. I see one revert already. I am thinking this is not "best practice". Perhaps @Krakkos: needs mentoring, but clearly my advice and the advice of many people over many years on his talk page archive about massive undiscussed styles of editing, have not yet been taken seriously. Krakkos is deliberately working to spill over the effects of disagreements on to as many articles as quickly as possible, apparently setting those articles up for something. This makes it hard to believe discussions which are still going as being in good faith?--Andrew Lancaster (talk) 16:53, 26 January 2020 (UTC)
Hello, I think you probably are not aware of the Subject completely. Your last edit to Saint Rampal Ji's article is incorrect. Saint Rampal Ji is acquitted in the wrongful confinement case. Please see [[60]]. Kabirisgod (talk) 17:45, 28 January 2020 (UTC)
I am sorry to bother you (yet again). But Dalhoa has again engaged with me, this time on my User Talk page (after several problematic edits to the Cushitic peoples page, which I reverted or revised (with explanatory edit notes). Dalhoa is again engaging in assumptions of bad faith and (again) appears unwilling to listen. They are now also making claims regarding sources (but refusing to name or cite them, while accusing me of "stonewalling" because I have asked for links to the sources they insist support their claim). They (Dalhoa) began civil initially on my Talk page, but have (for a reason I do not understand) again resumed the practice of not listening and making accusations of bad faith. They had not yet reinstated their edits on the page, but discussion with them (as before) did not seem to be helping/making progess. And there seemed to be no sign that they will listen or become more reasonable. Skllagyook (talk) 02:12, 28 January 2020 (UTC)
Then they did began to edit war, and (ignoring my explanations in the discussion on my User Talk page) made an edit to the page based on their (in my view inaccurate) interpretation of the source, despite my recent response to them explaining why said interpretation was incorrect (ignoring my response, refusing to reply to it, and editing anyway). I have included a quote from the source repeatedly, which Dalhoa seems intent on misinterpreting. They seem to be showing no sign that they will engage reasonably. I have also recently seen them behave somewhat similarly with another user, User:MusIbr, also on the Cushitic peoples page (and their/Dalhoa's Talk page). They do not seem willing to listen. They continue ignore my replies or respond mainly with with hostile aspersions and accusations (and most recently accusing me of "bs" for some mystifying reason, among other things). I reverted their latest edit to the Cushitic peoples page, again with an explanation in the edit notes, but am afraid they may continue to edit war, as they have shown no willingness to listen and engage. Skllagyook (talk) 02:12, 28 January 2020 (UTC)
Here is the discussion https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Skllagyook#A-Group_language
And the edit history of the page (with Dalhoa's latest edit made despite the information and explanations provided by me in our discussion): https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Cushitic_peoples&action=history
And their recent discussion with another User regarding the page. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Dalhoa#Okay_let’s_hash_this_out.
Again, thank you for any help regarding this matter. This seems to be a persistent problem. On my Talk page, the situation continues to deteriorate, and Dalhoa continues to grow more hostile and unreasonable. Skllagyook (talk) 02:12, 28 January 2020 (UTC)
Sorry for bringing up this subject again, but since I explained the reasons why I made the edits, I would like to know if I can restore the edits. Or will I get reverted if I do so? -- 186.213.52.100 (talk) 15:20, 29 January 2020 (UTC)
On Balkan issues. See this link. The behavior seems to call for a response, though I am unsure where to start. There is also that big RfC running about the Croatian Wikipedia that doesn't seem to be moving very fast.[1] The matters it is trying to resolve were described in an August Signpost article. I suppose that English Wikipedia should still follow its own policy, even if a few people with a connection to one of the countries aren't doing the right thing. I was wondering about an equal-opportunity canvassing rule: if you notify one of the Balkan Wikipedias (sr, hr or bs) about an issue on enwiki you must notify *all* of them. But that might not be practical. What is more practical is an expectation of *no* canvassing. Thank you, EdJohnston (talk) 04:51, 30 January 2020 (UTC)
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Doug my apologies, you’re absolutely correct. I’ve re-read my previous warning re minor edits and it’s 100% clear that any changes to meaning, no matter how subtle, cannot be marked as “minor”. I’m in the wrong and would like to express my regret for causing you extra work. It’s human nature to be defensive about criticism, but I realise you’re in the right and I’m wrong. All the best, GG Glen Gormley (talk) 20:09, 30 January 2020 (UTC)
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I see you just blocked Frindle222 recently. This IP has got to be them:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/2600:1002:B028:9CCA:ED51:F846:27C4:1E0E
They are making the same edits to bisexuality articles, most obviously adding "bisexual activist" over and over: [63][64][65][66]
Thanks for your consideration. Crossroads -talk- 04:50, 4 February 2020 (UTC)
Since through you the discussion was initiated once again and the issue showing as General close at WP:DRN with comments "Procedural close due to lack of participation from the other party to this dispute despite having received a notification over 48 hours ago"
I request you to engage the user to either show how I tried to build the false narrative i.e. , Jamia students were involved in violence during the Jamia student protest, or remove the "resolved with false narrative" tag.223.225.34.191 (talk) 15:34, 4 February 2020 (UTC)
Hello, would you mind sharing your thoughts about a current issue on Talk:False door? The opinion of someone way more archaeologist than me is quite needed here. Khruner (talk) 18:53, 4 February 2020 (UTC)
I noticed that you were the Admin who officiated the deletion of the article I made but it is now deleted and I couldn't find the contents. There is now ancient pre Spanish sources saying that Dapitan was an independent state according to Chinese archives (Ming Annals (vol. 333)) here: http://tulay.ph/2018/02/06/sayao-and-dapitan/. Considering the circumstances, I am respectfully requesting you to undelete the article or maybe just rename and transfer it or make a redirect. In fact, this shows my original research here led to an actual rediscovery that gives credit and merit to our community whereas people even in the Academe and News consider Wikipedia as "Not a reliable source" yet my work even helped and was used by a prestitgious newspaper and ironically that work was used to silence me (Accusation of Hoax peddling [The Dapitan article was tagged as a Hoax]). But I'm not going to do that (Original Research) anymore since it's against Wikipedia policy. Have a great day, thank you for disciplining me, now I realized that Wikipedia is not a proper forum for original research as per Wikipedia policy. I am sincerely sorry for wasting your time and may you have more sucesss as an admin. Don't worry I genuinely ask forgiveness from you and I forgive you too. But its' better that I become less creative in Wikipedia. --Rene Bascos Sarabia Jr. (talk) 14:44, 1 February 2020 (UTC)
...for your welcoming, but i am fed up of the thecnical anachronic POV use of history in wiki. Prof Joseph Davidovitz, astronomer Jaques Valle and multiple others first class scientists are trying to move forward our little scientific knowledge. I supose your aknowledgement of Actual arqueology dont explaining ancient civilizations. Just trying to NPOV wiki. Sorry if that hurts. --83.42.191.112 (talk) 18:12, 5 February 2020 (UTC)
Hi Doug. I found out that a photo I had added under "fair use" was to be deleted as the article it had been added to was to be deleted because it was by Dante8's sockpuppet. The article in question looked sound but I wasn't aware of Dante8/JaneSwifty's history. I was very surprised to see that attributed copying of Wikipedia to Wikipedia was being [cited as copyright infringement]. Am I missing something? Victuallers (talk) 11:25, 5 February 2020 (UTC)
Hi Doug -- I wanted to let you know that I just initiated a new request for a move at https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Tulsa_race_riot#Requested_move_7_February_2020 , and since you were involved in the last discussion I thought you might want to participate in this one as well. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Waidawut (talk • contribs) 22:52, 7 February 2020 (UTC)
Welcome to Wikipedia. Although everyone is welcome to contribute constructively to the encyclopedia, we would like to remind you not to attack yourself, as you did in this edit. Please comment on the contributions and not yourself. If you make any further self-attacks you may have to report yourself to yourself, which may result in a self-block. Thank you. MANdARAX • XAЯAbИAM 23:01, 7 February 2020 (UTC)
Doug, the article is unfrozen. Without asking for too much of your time can you check whether this is over-tagging? I would think "multiple issues" covers the others?--Andrew Lancaster (talk) 21:41, 4 February 2020 (UTC)
New request for outside opinions (not topic related). Is it ok to deliberately make duplicate sections in article which express contradictory opinions? [70], [71].--Andrew Lancaster (talk) 18:22, 8 February 2020 (UTC)
Hello Doug Weller. My name is John Gooch, 59, live in UK, background electronics repair of radio, am interested in Amateur radio, hence you know me as M0YVE. Thanks for the big effort you do for the Wiki. I am writing in regard, of the removal of 2 comments. 1 was in ColorForth, and the other was in the David M. Jacobs. These are the only 2 I have ever done. In both cases my concern was that they are getting on in years, so I thought to leave extra info on their Wikis. What tends to happen when a person dies, is that their web pages go away sadly. Anyway, having felt that I had sufficiently come to know of about them, I thought I would do those comments that I did do. If you ever have time to reconsider your objection. Then thanks for that. Yours sincerely John Gooch. M0YVE (talk) 02:14, 7 February 2020 (UTC)
An IP is currently active on the Vedda page making somewhat problematic and suspicious edits, who seems similar to a previously blocked sock puppet (who edited on South Asian topics such as Peopling of India, Andamanese, and I believe Negrito). If you coud possibly look into this it would be much appreciated. I may also contact User:Doug Weller regarding this. I have also messaged User:Ilber8000 (who engaged with a possibly similar IP editor in the recent past) regarding this. Here is their recent history: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/81.10.217.91 Thank you. Skllagyook (talk) 18:27, 8 February 2020 (UTC)
In the Uniform Civil Code page attempt is being made by User:Kautilya3 to prevent users from knowing the other side related to the topic. The user is continuously removing well quoted sections saying the references aren't acceptable to him/ her. He couldn't say any reason as to why they couldn't be treated as authentic. Bluntly removing the sections again and again. Please check the references yourself in the sections being removed by the user and you can take the help of any Hindi knowledgeable people also in this regard. Please don't remove the sections that shows the other side of the issue pertaining to the topic. Thank you. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 117.254.65.252 (talk) 05:01, 9 February 2020 (UTC)
Blocked user, user:Øjay Kįßung is abusing her talkpage. CLCStudent (talk) 14:55, 9 February 2020 (UTC)
I don't think that is a problem, (if fair use is applied) and in this case it is fair use. You can go ahead and change it. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2001:4643:C8EC:0:81D8:D659:FE96:D279 (talk) 20:25, 10 February 2020 (UTC)
Thanks. Is there a similar caution to editors for articles about Uganda, Greece, USA, Canada or Taiwan ? Aghore (talk) 11:01, 12 February 2020 (UTC)
@Aghore: discretionary sanctions are set by the WP:Arbitration Committee for areas where the community has failed to solve a conduct problem through WP:ANI, WP:AN etc. For the USA there are sanctions for post-1932 American politics. For more details and a list see Wikipedia:Arbitration Committee/Discretionary sanctions. Note that Greece is covered by Eastern Europe. You can alert yourself if you are going to edit in any of the covered areas and would prefer not to have others do it. Doug Weller talk 13:17, 12 February 2020 (UTC)
My edits were reverted claiming vandalism, and this is anything but the case.
From Wikipedia:Vandalism "The malicious removal of encyclopedic content, or the changing of such content beyond all recognition, without any regard to our core content policies of neutral point of view (which does not mean no point of view), verifiability and no original research, is a deliberate attempt to damage Wikipedia." https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Vandalism
From your own page https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Doug_Weller/reversion you claim to quote the Wikipedia Vandalism pages saying, "Vandalism is any addition, removal, or change of content made in a deliberate attempt to compromise the integrity of Wikipedia."
Yet, the revert was itself vandalism according to both page's definition & your own quote. Without any malice and in each case of my related edits, I provided cited & verifiable content so as to ensure the neutral point of view of the article in question. The revert removed content in a deliberate (your quote's wording, not mine) attempt to compromise the integrity of Wikipedia.
--- Now with assertions that I "have shown an interest in post-1932 politics" and "have shown interest in abortion", I have been notified of an "administrative ruling in effect" while also being assured that the notification "does not imply that there are any issues with [my] contributions to date." What prompts these assertions? Certainly, I have an opinion as much as most people might, but I have not made my opinion explicit at any point. Rather by providing cited content so as to more reasonably provide a neutral point of view, I can only surmise that I have somehow offended your own interest in abortion and post-1932 politics. Your personal opinions should not effect your edits so heavily so as to disallow the neutral point of view. Again, the revert was the actual vandalism.
Of course, I still have my original edit saved, and I am more than willing to have objective, third-party persons take a look at my edits thus far. I apologize, but I do not believe you are as objective as you perhaps hope to be.
None of this is meant as an attack on your person, but I must deny the claimed vandalism against myself even while also putting a claim against your revert as the actual vandalism. — Preceding unsigned comment added by BoyBlueSky (talk • contribs) 19:55, 12 February 2020 (UTC)
--- I really am trying, sir, to be respectful; and if at any point I am making an error, I truly & sincerely apologize. I was not saying that you reverted your own edit, but I was saying that you reverted *my* edit. Admittedly, I am new to this site, and an error on my part is possible. Either if I am mistaken & that someone else did this or if I am using incorrect terminology, then I do apologize. Again, no personal attack is meant to you or anyone else by saying this; and if you were not the one who reverted my edits, then I owe you & thus offer you an apology.
Still this having been said, the revert still constitutes as vandalism. This is said using the terminology as defined by Wikipedia, and it is not meant as an attack. Communication is important. I am more than willing to have objective, third-party persons take a look at my edits thus far. Thank you. BoyBlueSky (talk) 21:50, 12 February 2020 (UTC)
--- Doug, I owe you an apology. Again, I am very new to this, and it seems that I misread who made the revert.
Also, I had understood that Huggle was specifically used to revert vandalism. I see from it's page found at: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Huggle that "Huggle is a diff browser intended for dealing with vandalism and other unconstructive edits..." and that "the principal idea of Huggle [is] as an anti-vandalism tool". So, it is not necessarily exclusively for vandalism but is primarily for vandalism.
Bishonen, you are right that my idea that Doug must not be neutral was misconceived, and this was a result of the above mention misunderstanding. If Grayfell reverted me, then my issue is with Greyfell's reasoning and subsequent action, certainly not with Doug. (Sorry again Doug.) Your provided links were very helpful. Thank you. Bishonen, I am glad to hear that no one thinks that I am a vandal, but I am not happy by the assertion that "quite a few people think [I am] a tendentious editor". You had started by talking about my edits, but you then moved on to a generalization about me. This opinion of yours is more of a comment on me as an editor. Please, attempt to comment on content, not on the contributor. See: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:No_personal_attacks In any event, I understand that I upset you with my initial mistake, and I apologize to you as well.
I do still maintain that the revert does constitute vandalism, and this is absolutely not a personal attack. People certainly do have their own points of view, and I am merely saying the there should be an unbiased point of view presented in our pages. If the aforementioned quoted text stands: "Vandalism is any addition, removal, or change of content made in a deliberate attempt to compromise the integrity of Wikipedia", then the removal of my content could indeed by vandalism. Furthermore, I assert that it not only could be but rather actually was, and I am ready to make my case for this.
So, I guess I am the newbie with a question at this point. While I posted inaccurately to this talk wall, should I instead post to Grayfell's wall? I will mention here that my page edits were not "inappropriately promotional"; but rather, I merely followed normal protocol. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Dispute_resolution#Follow_the_normal_protocol Unlike what happened to my edits through the revert, I did not delete salvageable text; and rather, I only added balancing material or made the wording more neutral while also including citations for any added material. After the revert, I understood the proper step was to address the person who was doing this via their talk page, but I then addressed the wrong person. I really want to resolve this issue, not merely allow the perceived bias on the page to continue. I want to do this right this time, and I am asking advice for how to do this. Any help would be greatly appreciated. Thank you.
Finally to Doug, I am sorry that this conversation on your wall at all. While what I have to say must still be said, it shouldn't have been said here. This was my misunderstanding; and if you prefer, the conversation can, here on your wall at least, end. Yet if you are willing, I would still like to discuss advice about where to go from here in the dispute resolution process. BoyBlueSky (talk) 04:37, 13 February 2020 (UTC)
Sorry Doug, I'm bowing out. There's no reasoning with her. Brings back too many bad memories of similar disputes. Good luck, and if it gets too bad, remember - if Wikipedia is wrong, it's not your responsibility to fix it, any more than it is mine. --Nicknack009 (talk) 20:55, 9 February 2020 (UTC)
Hi Doug Weller,
I received what looks like a link only and it is noted. However, the article was rejected not for references or citing, but for not sufficiently notable for inclusion in Wikipedia. I specifically am asking to address this issue only for now. The other issues raised can be addressed accordingly.
If a topic has received significant coverage in reliable sources that are independent of the subject, it is presumed to be suitable for a stand-alone article or list
The independent sources in the published Wiki articles that were cited in this draft were previously verified by Wiki volunteers and administrators so why is it that when it comes to The Toven draft their is a indifference and rejection?
Thanks Spiritletters (talk) 17:04, 13 February 2020 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Spiritletters (talk • contribs)
(talk page stalker) @Spiritletters: your sources all appear to be Wikipedia articles, which we never use, and their website, which can't be used to show notability. I'm wondering if your Wikipedia links were meant to go to the news media mentioned. Doug Weller talk 16:41, 13 February 2020 (UTC)
Doug, Good solid point. Yes, news media mentioned (unless its biased or slandering with malicious intent like some) As well as Wiki articles and the news media links that were used to verify the notability of the article to begin with.
Thanks Spiritletters (talk) 17:19, 13 February 2020 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Spiritletters (talk • contribs)
Hello, I see you've communicated with User:GlassBones about hounding. He's reverted 3 times in about 23 hrs. at Conrad Black, and has ignored my instruction about leads as well as my request that he self-revert.
He opened this new account a few days after he was indefinitely blocked for abusing editing privileges; he seems to be asking to be banned. Would you kindly intervene? Thank you, YoPienso (talk) 19:58, 14 February 2020 (UTC)
I've not bothered with SPI yet, but in case you'd like to look at it before I have the opportunity, a few suspects: Vaughnwyamhill, Larry M Neeley, I have more on a list but they may now be stale, I could check but it's not high priority for me... —PaleoNeonate – 03:09, 15 February 2020 (UTC)
Hi, I thought you should know that despite your warnings to them about edits in the ARBPIA area like this one: [73] etc., user Charliefromadel has continued to make edits that look to me like they breach the restrictions, e.g.: [74]. Please let me know if there's some other procedure I should follow, thanks... --IamNotU (talk) 12:50, 15 February 2020 (UTC)
Hey, Doug. Are their issues with user's edits that might be concerning in the context of user's original user name, "Kike korrektor" and the rename/unblock discussion that ensued? In short, have we been misled? Any "dog-whistle politics" or pointiness? -- Deepfriedokra 18:43, 17 February 2020 (UTC)
Hi Doug,
I hope you are doing well.
I apologize if I am not making this request in the appropriate area.
On the Ben Sabic page, I had noticed that you protected the page from being created on September 3, 2012. I was wondering if you could remove the protection tag, so I may proceed with creating the page for Mr. Sabic.
I do believe that he may meet the notability requirements and that quite a lot has changed since 2012 in regards to Mr. Sabic. This includes his connection to the Humboldt Broncos bus crash, Kids Help Phone, Future Leaders of Manitoba, Dakota Collegiate, Loizza Aquino, and Phil Hudson. Additionally, he spoke at WE Day Manitoba and attended WE Day Ottawa in 2017, rappelled down an office tower in Downtown Winnipeg in support of a Manitoba charity, moderated a keynote panel at a national conference in Toronto, hosted a screening of a documentary by the True Patriot Love Foundation, was featured in the Winnipeg Free Press, contributed to the Community News Commons, and involvement with the Global Coalition on Youth Mental Health. Additionally, I do have other content which I may include to further the significance of the subject.
Thank you so much for your time.
--Torontopedia (talk) 22:07, 16 February 2020 (UTC)
It's unfortunate that none of us caught this edit at Kollerstrom. It's been sitting there since November 2018. No one's fault, just a pity, especially with Lipstadt appearing to be the source. SarahSV (talk) 23:03, 16 February 2020 (UTC)
Hello Doug, John Gooch again. You say that an independent verification is needed, where can I learn about getting some ? I could search for the word verification, but presently, imagine that there would be to many. Thanks for the many free strives that you do do.M0YVE (talk) 01:31, 18 February 2020 (UTC)
I've taken all mention of myself and the name of the system I use and the name of the man who discovered it out of the Wikipedia article. My contributions to the article have been met as if they are "vandalism". Frankly, I am at a loss as to the reason why I should be regarded an an unreliable source, and I'd just like some clarification, please. Even a brief explanation would be gratefully received, and appreciated. Thank you. Cath Thompson. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.157.146.123 (talk) 01:02, 18 February 2020 (UTC)
What kind of knowledge isn't personal knowledge? I don't understand. Is second-hand knowledge preferable? Do book sales count as verification? Cath Thompson 81.157.146.123 (talk) 01:13, 18 February 2020 (UTC)
Doug, there's two IPs that keep restoring material; I have not checked whether they restored the stuff you deleted earlier. Thanks, Drmies (talk) 03:45, 19 February 2020 (UTC)
I was browsing the talk page on Fascism today and I came across a comment that you left on October 8, 2019. (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Fascism#Fascism_is_not_associated_with_any_political_party_by_its_very_definition)
I will be the first to admit that I am pretty new to the Wikipedia community and don't have the most experience yet, but seeing a comment like this coming from an administrator of the site makes me feel rather uncomfortable as it seems to convey a tone and message opposite to the ideals of the site that I've learned about from the introductory material for being a part of the Wikipedia community.
To me, your comment of "Anyone who thinks there can be such a thing as a "far-left liberal" has no business anywhere near articles about politics." feels like it violates Wikipedia's policy on no personal attacks, as WA:PA states that "Abusive, defamatory, or derogatory phrases based on race, sex, sexual orientation, gender identity, age, religious or political beliefs, disabilities, ethnicity, nationality, etc. directed against another editor or a group of editors."
I hope you'll take my concern in to consideration, as your comment is the first time I've ever come across an administrator on Wikipedia and seeing comments like that from an administrator cause me to worry about the neutrality of the site as a whole and question the value of the contributions I make to the site.
Sincerely, FACP2007 (talk) 06:27, 20 February 2020 (UTC)
Hi. I notice you blocked User:Truth is this as a sock of User:Asadul rasel, but actually, I think they're both socks of User:Smatrah. PepperBeast (talk) 17:48, 15 February 2020 (UTC)
Hi, I have nominated a redirect of Ilhan Omar that implies that her father's name is the same as her ex-husband father's name. The name was made up by a conspiracy theorist right-wing blogs. It's defamatory and should be removed. However, I don't think editors here get how this fake name implies that, because they use a different naming system that make the first and the second name are the names of the same person and not his name and his father's name.--SharʿabSalam▼ (talk) 13:09, 22 February 2020 (UTC)
You're saying that adding text that is essentially a paraphrase of the same text that was shot down by the RfC is fine? And you're also saying that it's fine for you to come around to my talk page instead of discussing such a questionable addition on the talk page of the article? How are you an admin, exactly? PaganPanzer (talk) 16:46, 22 February 2020 (UTC)
Hi Doug! Can you consider to add a ds/talk notice-template to Talk:Hindustani language? The subject relates to India and Pakistan, so ACDS implicitly also apply to this topic. The scope of the page is debated, and one editor repeatedly resorts to quite odd assertions about the "motives" of other editors, which IMHO violates AGF (e.g. [75]). I know this can be reproachable even without ACDS, but lowering the threshold should help to stengthen awareness about proper conduct. –Austronesier (talk) 08:46, 23 February 2020 (UTC)
The same IP (81.10.217.91) that had disruptively edited the Vedda page not too long ago (and has a history of adding WP:OR to Peopling of India and Andamanese), and also seems to be a suck puppet of previous similar IPs (and several blocked accounts), has just made a very extensive edit to Negrito. Though I could not investigate all of it immediately (there was a lot) I looked it over it and noticed the it included several inaccurate statements and instances of what appeared to be WP:OR as well a the removal of sourced material that seemed to contradict that claims added by the IP. I reverted it with explanation in the edit notes including a points. This seems to be persistent. Here is the edit history of the Negrito page: https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Negrito&action=history Hopefully something can be done. Thank you. Skllagyook (talk) 14:48, 23 February 2020 (UTC)
Hi Doug,
Can something be done about IP 136.32.114.40. If you look at their contributions [76], all they do is delete/mangle article content leaving an edit summery of "≈≈≈".--Ermenrich (talk) 20:29, 23 February 2020 (UTC)
I don’t know how to add a source to category. Can you look at my change when you get a chance? [77] Here is the source[78] GizzyCatBella🍁 10:36, 24 February 2020 (UTC)
There is currently a discussion at Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents regarding an issue with which you may have been involved. Koreangauteng (talk) 03:17, 25 February 2020 (UTC)
Hi. As i'm sure you remember, Andrew Lancaster and myself had strong disagreements on the article Germanic peoples a few weeks ago. Edit warring occurred as a result, and we were warned both by Fram[[79] and yourself[80] that future edit warring would result in a block. I eventually refrained from further editing at Germanic peoples, and Andrew Lancaster exploited this opportunity to completely rewrite the article.[81][82] In the meantime, i have instead worked on improving the article Goths, which is currently under a GA review. Having rewritten Germanic peoples the way he wants it, Andrew Lancaster has now exported the edit warring to the article Goths, an article which he has never edited before,[83] thereby seriously inhibiting my work. This seems like violations of WP:HOUNDING and WP:BATTLE to me. Krakkos (talk) 12:12, 26 February 2020 (UTC)
Wikipedia:Sockpuppet_investigations/Goodplacefreak20. Pretty close to WP:DUCK, but to be sure... OhNoitsJamie Talk 16:53, 28 February 2020 (UTC)
This discussion probably should have been before now, but I've only started looking over it & it appears that one of the people involved is a sock of someone you blocked a while back. Any thoughts about said person, if this is the case? Feel free to email me with a response. Thanks in advance. --- llywrch (talk) 23:03, 27 February 2020 (UTC)
I have seen your notification on my talk page, and understand what you are referring to. That old account was blocked indefinitely and at the time I didn't know that it could be unblocked. Additionally the user/editor name held personal significance for me at the time. Shortly before that occurrence, I endured a rather painful divorce that made me not want to even open the account again. That toxic relationship has connection to that log-in name (i.e. the screen-name was referring to something in that relationship)... is there a way to just delete it permanently? Thanks for your help m8s!--DisneyMetalhead (talk) 02:27, 1 March 2020 (UTC)
This conversation has moved to DMH's Talk page. DG, feel free to close this section. -- llywrch (talk) 03:59, 1 March 2020 (UTC)
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Hi Doug. I'm trying to make sense of the discussion on that talk page and it is impossible to figure out what is going on. What is clear is that there are numerous drive by editors with recent accounts with comments like one. With all the talk about the posts at the volunteer response team (for some reason redacted?), perhaps ECP on the talk page will bring some order to the process. What do you think?--regentspark (comment) 01:31, 3 March 2020 (UTC)
I, for one, am ready for firmer hand — though I'm not sure ECP is actually necessary for the article talk page. A more lengthy semi may, indeed, be due, though. El_C 18:44, 3 March 2020 (UTC)
Hi Doug, I am aware of the sanctions, was just trying to add a new twist that has come into the picture, maybe you can review it from your point of view and put it forth if you deem appropriate Amitized (talk) 12:47, 6 March 2020 (UTC)Amitized
I've semiprotected the article talk page for a week in the end — sorry forgot to mention that. El_C 19:32, 7 March 2020 (UTC)
Just got your message re helping with deletion. Thanks for that. You mention a way to reach you that involves "a new edit" but -- and here's my problem -- I do this SO rarely I was left not knowing: a new edit where? In answer to your question: with my original problem I looked for help several places -- Forget 1st effort. My 2nd effort was a search on help page, first with search term 'vandalism' then overwhelmed by options, tried search on 'BLP' (thinking it was related to my concern) and then search on 'speedy delete'. On each of those I clicked on various options that looked most likely of solving the problem, but then didn't seem to in the end. Too many options. In the end, it's like that wonderful joke from the old George Burns/Gracie Allen series: George is helping Gracie by reading from the recipe book while she cooks: George: Separate 2 eggs. Gracie: How far are you supposed to separate them? You old pros take a lot for granted. Those of us who never edit are overwhelmed. And so... we never edit. And you *are* an old pro; I've seen your name so often, I wonder whether I should ask for an autograph? (Smiley face) Thanks again alacarte 23:29, 7 March 2020 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Professor alacarte (talk • contribs)
Point taken. I will use this block as an opportunity to try to improve my conduct as an editor, for example by always adding edit summaries, and being careful about the quality of sources. GergisBaki (talk) 10:01, 8 March 2020 (UTC)
Sir, actually I live near to Riot affected area and That's why I am Uploading the Pictures of Affected Area. One user( Slatersteven ) in North East Delhi Riots talk page express his problem regarding the verification of riot pictures. So, now I am in confusion that either I upload those Pictures which i have clicked or not? please suggest me. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Banswalhemant (talk • contribs) 19:47, 8 March 2020 (UTC)
Hello DW. This thread Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents#Blocking of User:Shashank5988 has just been started so I thought you should know about it ASAP. Regards. MarnetteD|Talk 03:52, 9 March 2020 (UTC)
Can you tell me if there was something specific or particular that generated your post on my talk page? I'm searching my mind, which is half empty, and not sure what generated it. thxMikethewhistle-original (talk) 21:01, 9 March 2020 (UTC)
NedFausa (talk) 05:49, 10 March 2020 (UTC)
In response to what you said in your reversion summary for ACT For America. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ACT!_for_America
I am the one who made the edit. Here is what you said:
"Our articles are meant to describe the subject according to what reliable sources say about it, they aren't vehicles for promotion, people can read their website for that."
Can you provide a link to a Wikipedia editing guide of some sort which backs up your claim that "articles are meant to describe the subject according to what reliable sources say about it?" And how exactly is it making the article a "vehicle for promotion" by simply stating in the article's introduction what the organisation says about themselves? Isn't "what reliable sources say about it" WELL covered in the main contents of the article? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 110.142.94.82 (talk) 07:02, 10 March 2020 (UTC)
Hello again Doug, as you were in ARBCOM and I've seen this used in several cases, I thought I'd ask here: I wonder if there's an authoritative source for statements such as the following, that's often been used in cases during decision making? Example: "Editors will sometimes make mistakes and suffer occasional lapses of judgement in well-meaning furtherance of the project's goals. However, strong or even exceptional contributions to the encyclopaedia do not excuse repeated violations of basic policy. Editors who have already been sanctioned for disruptive behavior may be sanctioned more harshly for repeated instances of similar behaviors." Searching for the exact text only pointed me at other cases using it. Thanks, —PaleoNeonate – 13:11, 10 March 2020 (UTC)
In [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Enforcement&diff=945065920&oldid=945065445&diffmode=source this edit" I think you might be missing a "not" - i.e. you do not support a consensus required restriction? Thryduulf (talk) 17:28, 11 March 2020 (UTC)
davidwr/(talk)/(contribs) 20:41, 11 March 2020 (UTC)
You are invited to join the discussion at Talk:Habesha peoples/Archives/2020/June#Synthesis, POV. I noticed you'd raised similar concerns when editing that article in the not-too-distant past. Gyrofrog (talk) 21:38, 11 March 2020 (UTC)
Please edit this page [88] name. It is turkish.Pouyasg (talk) 15:08, 12 March 2020 (UTC)
Hello Doug, I guess we are both in sync and saw the same connection. I opened this SPI an hour and a half before yours: [[89]]. Please feel free to close it or let me know if I should note the relationship and link to yours in it. Regards. --Crystallizedcarbon (talk) 17:37, 12 March 2020 (UTC)
Hi I noticed User:Spasiba5 has been blocked for 72 hours. Another editor with the same edit history has been engaging in the exact same editing and editing behaviours. Could you please block them? They are engaging in removal of reliable references and opposing opinion based on ridiculous reasoning and are refusing to engage in talk pages. The sockpuppet account is User:Carosalazar18. Please take a look at his contributions here. NarSakSasLee (talk) 23:57, 7 March 2020 (UTC)
Hi Doug I require some help with a vandal.
Could you please take some action? The user engaged disagrees with the sources presented despite the sources being from an academic journal or reliable news organisations. The user is attempting to engage in censorship instead of constructively adding to the conversation. NarSakSasLee (talk) 15:25, 14 March 2020 (UTC)
Thank you. That is all I ask for. NarSakSasLee (talk) 16:49, 14 March 2020 (UTC)
This (which you warned them for) was followed by this (after they deleted your talk-page messages). --JBL (talk) 17:25, 15 March 2020 (UTC)
Hello Doug
When I read the policies it said Wiki tried to be flexible. Boscawen (in 1895) linked the eater of Babylonian astral traditions to the words of the Riddle. The claim that the manna of Exodus tastes like honey is made by the author of Exodus I have just noted that manna or its pagan equivalent could provide the answer to explain the sweetness of the Riddle.
If this is correct this is really important. Technically it might be correct to say that the piece I included contained a new proposal. Some of this had been published previously on a forum for the Society of Interdisciplinary Studies. I am hoping to start a discussion and any comments on the proposal that either I make or that Boscawen makes are welcome but just shutting down discussion is not helpful.
If this solution for the Riddle is correct it is of major importance for Biblical studies. I am considering putting a shorter version back on. This is almost the first time I have have edited so sorting out references has not been easy.
There is nothing in my edit that can not be checked or for which references are provided as with the critical quote from Boscawen. The identity of Mesopotamian deities can be fluid the Underworld, Ereshkigal and Nergal are all linked with the title Irkalla and there is also an Egyptian goddess called Ammit who was named the 'devourer'.
Hopefully Wikipedia is a great educational source I use it for research all the time. If this piece about the Riddle and manna can be left on Wiki I hope it provide a better understanding of the text and informed comments are welcome. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Dragonsteethred (talk • contribs) 22:25, 11 March 2020 (UTC)
Hello you claim that Ev Cochrane and presumably Velikovsky are unreliable. What doesd this mean. We may disagree with their ideas but generally they quote source matefrial as accurastely as other authors. I pointed out beforecv what about the Bible do you regard the Bible as a reliable source. If you leave what I wrote perhaps it will encourage some to make some serious points. Boscawen noted Irksalla the Great Eater from Babylonian tradition reminded him of the eater of the Riddle. Are you trying to argue that Boscawen's claim was incorrect. He could have cited Ammit thge devourer from Egyptian mythology, I think some Bibles (perhaps the Luther Bible uses 'devourer' instead of eater.
I changed the reference from Ev to Robin Baker. Do we accept that he is a reliable reference. My point is that originally the Riddle belonged came from ancient Babylonian astral mythology, and this is what Boscawen was virtually proposing back in 1895 Around this time the language from many different cultures was full of astral symbolism and astral deities. Check ancient Greece, ancient Mesopotamia, and even the Hebrew Scriptures.
Yes I may be proposing that the food, bread, or 'meat' of the Riddle is celestial, ie. the bread of heaven. Do you know the story of the manna gathered in the Wilderness? Would you agree that 'manna' tasted sweet like honey?
Following Boscawen's proposal this provides evidence that answers the Riddle. If providing the correct answer is disruptive it is only disruptive in that it shows the other explanation are wrong or at least incomplete. Hopefully you do not think the other proposals such as honey from a dead lion or the love of a fair maiden are so fragile that you have to protect them from rational competition. Try putting it back up and see what other people think.
I am not sure what the Dead sea Scrolls have got to do with this. (I have heard that a story in the National Geographical talks of them being modern fakes but hopefully that is just fake news.) Perhaps you could be more specific withg your critism.
Are you denying the existence in Babylonian mythology literature of a deity titled the eater or great eater. Are you denying that the Babyloian god of Mars was described as and called the strong or strong one, or are you denying that the manna of Exodus (and the ambrosial food of pagan traditions) tasted like honey.
With regards,
Dragonsteethred. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Dragonsteethred (talk • contribs) 18:34, 15 March 2020 (UTC)
Hi Doug,
Would you mind keeping an eye on the editer who's shown up at Jinn. They've been removing sourced info saying it's "wrong". I've been reverting them and have already left one template warning at their talk.--Ermenrich (talk) 17:40, 13 March 2020 (UTC)
Thank you for your elaboration. - MainBody (talk) 08:11, 17 March 2020 (UTC)
Hi Doug, an editor has started adding a fringe theory that the Goths were Slavs at Goths. I've already reverted two edits and given him a template, but he's still at it. Might you step in? He's now reverted at least one edit I had reverted of his [92] [93] and he's not using edit summaries.--Ermenrich (talk) 16:58, 17 March 2020 (UTC)
As regards the previous changes made to Mercy Eke’s article, subjects like Toke Makinwa Kim Kardashian, Nicki Minaj all have their personal business projects, listed out. What makes Mercy Eke Clothing line different? Mystique4788 (talk) 20:58, 17 March 2020 (UTC)
Hello. Over the last few days I have been engaged in a dispute with another editor on the [Genetic studies on Jews]] page, which began when they added a paragraph to the "Recent studies" section describing the hypothesis/recent study of Eran Elhaik et al positing that Ashkenazi Jews (and other Jewish groups) lack significant Levantine ancestry. I removed the addition, noting that it was undue (a sentence describing it was already in the section) due to the history of controversy and academic criticism sorrounding Elhaik's work and thst it's inclusion would misleadingly suggest that his conclusions were more authoritative in the field than they in fact are (they represent a very small minority and appear to be a radical departure from scholarly mainstream/consensus opinion on the subject), in addition to the study's co-authorship by the fringe Linguist Paul Wexler.
We have been discussing the issue in the Talk page, but there seems to have been little progress. In some instances it seems that the other editor may not be listening. But they suggested getting another editor involved with knowledge of the subject ("an uninvolved editor prefereably with knowledge in Genetics") It does seem like a good idea at this point to seek an outside opinion/opinions, but I would think that an editor with knowlege of the subject would be likely to have engaged with it (i.e. have some history or "involvement"). I had previously messaged two users who seemed to have engaged with the subject (one of whom was User:Tritomex who seems to have a knowledge of genetics and to have engaged with this subject in particular, but I was left a link by another editor (on my personal Talk page) on canvassing (I would not have thought my messages were canvassing as I have also been asked by other editors for my opinion on issues and edits related to population genetics.) The Talk page discussion is here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Genetic_studies_on_Jews#Recent_Addition and the page's edit history here: https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Genetic_studies_on_Jews&action=history
So I am now unsure how to do seek outside views on this. I considered filing at DRN (dispute resolution) but I am not sure the person responding would be knowledgeable in the subject (Is there a better option for cases such as this?). (Also Tritomex has suggested that the editor whith whom I am engaging may be a sock.). Thank you for your time. Skllagyook (talk) 13:17, 18 March 2020 (UTC)
I think this pov-pushing by User:Avdmoh is the limit; enough of this pov-pushing. Joshua Jonathan -Let's talk! 13:41, 18 March 2020 (UTC)
For what exactly? I'd prefer you take to addressing my concerns about this immediately. This is completely unjustified -- if this is because I hatted a discussion beneath my vote because of disurptive formatting (The use of a bolded "Nope" immediately beneath my Include" vote), then the fact that you would immediately issue a 48-hour ban against me is pretty outrageous. Wikieditor19920 (talk) 19:07, 18 March 2020 (UTC)
Please restore it.It was a mistake.Caused by a finger slipping on a mouse button.Thanks.CAPTAIN RAJU(T) 08:15, 22 March 2020 (UTC)
Hi, By reading your message, I knew that you are intelligent. Please let me edit Jagannath because I am from Puri, odisha, India🇮🇳. I am a great devotee of him and I have Researched about Jagannath for years. Pease unblock me. I can contribute better. Pratimatripathy (talk) 20:44, 23 March 2020 (UTC)
I'm going through edits made by socks; it's a particularly vile set. I just dropped a rangeblock as well, but I guess I should have mentioned anti-Islamic to the block notice as well... Drmies (talk) 01:38, 23 March 2020 (UTC)
You seemed to have missed my ping there--I asked a question about what your further plans for the article on VPS are. MrClog (talk) 22:01, 26 March 2020 (UTC)
Sorry, MrClog I don't really have plans, so little time, so many fish. Doug Weller talk 12:24, 27 March 2020 (UTC)
Hi, could you or any of your page-watchers please intervene in Christchurch mosque shootings article? The article contains original research in the background section which seems to be added there to justify what that terrorist did. I was reverted by an editor who seems not to understand what an original research is.see here-SharʿabSalam▼ (talk) 08:50, 28 March 2020 (UTC)
Please could you look at the above username as there is an article Luke Sital-Singh which they have edited?SovalValtos (talk) 20:09, 28 March 2020 (UTC)
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5003663/ — Preceding unsigned comment added by Arch Hades (talk • contribs) 15:56, 29 March 2020 (UTC)
Fringe theories are sometimes the truth of tomorrow. You need more respect with new ideas. Sad to cope with oldschoolers like you. Good luck. --95.127.172.55 (talk) 03:21, 30 March 2020 (UTC)
Very similar IP, same interests. See this article history for an example, and here's the SPI page for a refresher: [99] Suggesting rangeblock because their IP shifts: [100] And hopefully it can be lengthy. Let me know if you have any questions or need more info. Crossroads -talk- 04:41, 30 March 2020 (UTC)
Dear Doug Weller,
I've had a problem yesterday in the article Harran, there is an editor who seems to know quite a lot in the Archaeological field but he uses only his own books to reference what he writes, doesn't answer on the talk page, and writes on his user page he is the author (Mehmet Önal) of the books and an excavator of archaeological items. I checked the books, I only found them on academia, but they were about the subject. Yesterday he attempted to introduce empty sections he later probably would have wanted to fill. Like you can do it in the sandbox, and didn't stop to try. So the last time he attempted it I thought ah common...and I let the text stay, and him try. He didn't fill them during the night, so I removed them again. I've seen you are active in the archaeology project. He just joined yesterday, so he is new; how do you deal with thes editors who seem to have a good knowledge in the field the write in but not of the wikipedia guidelines? I'd like to get him on board, but he needs to also use other sources than his book and interact with the wikipedia community. What are your thoughts? Paradise Chronicle (talk) 09:11, 31 March 2020 (UTC)
...for catching and blocking the vandal, User:Shreksonion35. Your diligence is very much appreciated. I will look back at the effected articles in the coming week, to see if he returns under a different guise. Cheers. 2601:246:C700:19D:9028:32A4:101A:458F (talk) 17:50, 31 March 2020 (UTC)