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Hey everyone, I couldn't seem to find my answer in what I thought would be the relevant PAGs, so I figured you all would be the best people to ask. I noticed a number of articles in Category:Animation controversies in television that, while I could certainly see their subject being controversial on their face, don't actually mention any sort of controversy or reactions to the subject at any point in the article, neither lead nor body. Would this be an example of overcategorization and thus should be removed from the category? I'm leaning towards removing (just because I think an article should at least mention or allude to the category it's in, not just be plausible that it could be in that category) but wanted to get some guidance here as categorization feels like it can be a contentious topic at times, even without the designation as such. Thanks all! Greenday61892 (talk) 19:57, 29 May 2024 (UTC)
if the characteristic would not be appropriate to mention in the lead section of an article (determined without regard to whether it is mentioned in the lead), it is probably not defining.
Skilled categorizers, your input is welcome at Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Shakespeare#Ola_Ince. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 17:56, 1 June 2024 (UTC)
FYI Template:Cat topic year (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) has been nominated for deletion -- 65.92.244.143 (talk) 04:10, 4 June 2024 (UTC)
I just had this note connected with an edit reversion. "Undid revision 1231303175 by Johnpacklambert (talk) It is standard practice to include all such categories for professional athletes. Abbott played for 18 professional teams and they can't all be expected to be mentioned in this article. His teams are easily verified via the external links at the bottom of this article." I am sorry. This is just plain wrong practice. If we cannot be bothered to mention something in the text of an article, it is too trivial to categorize by. Categories are supposed to lead people through somewhat similar articles. A minimum expectation is that the information be mentioned in the article.John Pack Lambert (talk) 13:09, 9 July 2024 (UTC) I recently had 4 articles I had edited get revered. This is the general tone of the edit summaries. "Undid revision 1231303175 by Johnpacklambert (talk) It is standard practice to include all such categories for professional athletes. Abbott played for 18 professional teams and they can't all be expected to be mentioned in this article. His teams are easily verified via the external links at the bottom of this article." I am sorry, this is just ludicrous. First off, external links are not always reliable sources, so just using them to push categories directly is problematic. Beyond this, categories are supposed to link something that means something. They need to be "defining". If playing for a team was so non-defining to a person that we do not even mention it anywhere in the text of the article, not even in a table, we should not categorize by it. This makes me think that at some level team played for becomes to close to performance by performer categories. I am sorry, but we should not be categorizing anyone by 18 different teams played, especially with the amount of other categories sports people are placed in. At least not when we do not even mention in any way all 18 teams in the article.John Pack Lambert (talk) 13:18, 9 July 2024 (UTC)
John Pack Lambert (talk) 13:35, 9 July 2024 (UTC)
This category appears in all stub-class biography articles, and in my opinion, it is unnecessary. I don't see the necessity for it because there are other more focused categories. I came here to seek community consensus before proceeding with my plan. Wolverine XI (talk to me) 19:41, 11 August 2024 (UTC)
I came here to seek community consensus before proceeding with my plan.- what plan is this? You have not described a plan, or even linked to a page about it. --Redrose64 🌹 (talk) 20:46, 12 August 2024 (UTC)
((WikiProject Biography))
, either by explicit use of |class=stub
in that tag, or by the same parameter being used on an enclosing ((WikiProject banner shell))
. So, in addition to a CFD, you would, at the very least, need the consensus of WP:WikiProject Biography to make the appropriate change to their template. Moreover, the category is part of a set, one of the eighteen subcategories of Category:Biography articles by quality, and one of the 1,985 subcategories of Category:Stub-Class articles. You really need an overwhelmingly-good reason, and a huge amount of support, to delete this category. --Redrose64 🌹 (talk) 19:57, 14 August 2024 (UTC)Category:Scandinavia's subcats' subcategorization is inconsistent and problematic, because sometimes people use Scandinavia as a synonym for the Nordic countries and their dependencies (Category:Nordic countries), meaning that sometimes "Scandinavia" is used when referring not just to Denmark, Norway and Sweden but also to Finland, Iceland, Åland, Greenland, etc. See those linked articles for more info on the subject.
For example, Category:Scandinavian political parties' description says Political parties of Denmark, Sweden, Finland, Iceland, and their dependencies
, but the Finland and Iceland cats were removed from that parent cat back in 2012.
Also, Category:People of Scandinavian descent is very inconsistent whether its subcats include Finnish/Icelandic etc. people, because those are constantly removed and added, and back and forth, back and forth; some examples: special:diff/1240214770, special:diff/1205905952, special:diff/711820747, special:diff/728558000, special:diff/760514474, special:diff/833471486.
Furthermore, Category:Scandinavian diaspora's main article is Nordic diaspora and includes Category:Finnish diaspora, but Category:Scandinavian people doesn't include Category:Finnish people.
You can find plenty of other similar examples, if you take a closer look at that Scandinavia cat tree.
Some possible solutions:
2001:999:508:2B63:B073:E408:CCB:37DA (talk) 13:16, 14 August 2024 (UTC)