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Sorry for being dense on this. But I can't seem to find the archive to which http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Clarification&curid=22747419&diff=331642728&oldid=331601810 this was moved... might you be able to point me to it? Thanks.--Epeefleche (talk) 01:32, 15 December 2009 (UTC)
Hi. I see you archived this; [1] [2]. Putting the motion at:
seems wrong to me; that whole subpage is about the mentor-review and the proper place for the new motion would be:
This would seem to have been FloNight's intent when she skipped this level in the page hierarchy and it would allow the other discussion and the individual votes to be archived on the talk page as was done with the prior motion:
The Jack Merridew one year unban review page should also offer a link to the mentors page.
An even cleaner approach would have the page at:
... with the others tagging along or involve moving the prior motion to:
I made a few tweaks to the motion text adding wiki-links to the prior motion and to the bot account I had already created. I have also posted the new motion on my user page and on my history subpage. I would like this nice and tidy because it's part of my formal record. Thanks. Jack Merridew 10:55, 16 December 2009 (UTC)
Doug, I saw that you removed a reference to a work by Bernard Leeman from the Queensland Academic Press because of the lack of evidence that such a publisher exists. I agree: there isn't a single applicable Google hit for "Queensland Academic Press" -sheba -leeman. I started removing references to this work from other articles. A user named User:Ntsukunyane Mphanya has gone around adding references to this book in a number of places, both in the text and as a non-footnoted item in the References section. But some of the text additions mention a Kamal Salibi and an "Arabian Judah" theory, and I don't know anything about them or whether they are valid additions, so I'm not going to continue this exercise on my own. But I thought you might be interested in seeking out Wikipedia references to Bernard Leeman or Leeman, Bernard or Queensland Academic Press, or seeing what else Ntsukunyane Mphanya has been up to. —Largo Plazo (talk) 13:11, 14 December 2009 (UTC)
You are invited to join the discussion at Talk:Comparison between Roman and Han Empires. Gun Powder Ma (talk) 02:10, 17 December 2009 (UTC) (Using ((Please see)))
The article has also been nominated for AFD, [3].Teeninvestor (talk) 22:34, 17 December 2009 (UTC)
Could you look at these pages? [4], [5]. The comments at Talk:Comparison_of_video_player_software date back to 11 December, they are not recent; the AFD comments are from today, and seem to be more germane to me. In any case, some sort of action from the case's clerk would be helpful. It's never good when participants in a case begin to edit each others' comments. I don't think a block would be worthwhile (or I would have done it); as the clerk, you could set out some ground rules until the case it over. — Carl (CBM · talk) 18:57, 18 December 2009 (UTC)
Doug, You still have not responded or explained how anything I've said could be construed as "outing". [6] [7] [8] [9] Theserialcomma took offense to my comparison of Theserialcomma's remarks to that of an Elvis isn't dead conspiracy theory but that could hardly be considered "outing". If you are going to make such warnings and log them then you need to explain how Theserialcomma's claims [10] [11] [12] [13] are anything other than more of the continued pattern of harassment and trolling. While my Elvis comments were certainly not "friendly", they aren't "uncivil" and certainly aren't "outing", although since Theserialcomma could not claim I was being "uncivil" they seem to have tried the "outing" angle instead. --Tothwolf (talk) 15:17, 19 December 2009 (UTC)
why did you change 'provocateur' to 'prolteur'[14]]? Theserialcomma (talk) 08:31, 19 December 2009 (UTC)
You have said that "Early British Kingdoms" is not a reliable source: what would you recommend should used instead? Would printed books referring to saints and kings be generally more reliable? --Felix Folio Secundus (talk) 17:19, 19 December 2009 (UTC)
Hello, I got your message. Thanks for the heads- up. Which edits am I making this mistake on? Is adding a new thread to a discussion a minor edit? Is responding to someone's comment on a discussion page minor? It is mostly force of habit since that box is automatically checked. In any case, I apologize if I am not following proper protocol. Cheers. Accipio Mitis Frux (talk) 17:13, 20 December 2009 (UTC)
Thinking about your comments. In principle I like the idea of mentorships, but this year they seem to be getting overused in situations where mentorship isn't appropriate. You've interacted with Logicus longer than I have: have you seen any interaction where he acknowledges his behavior is problematic and shows real interest in adapting to site norms?
If an editor is really disruptive, that editor may occasionally concede a point as they tactically switch to a new argument toward the same tendentious goal. That kind of person burns out mentors without useful progress. If you think this instance would fare better, I'm all ears. Durova386 19:23, 20 December 2009 (UTC)
Re [15]: You have a single word? It's probably a good thing that Leviathan, Talk:Young Earth creationism, Plato, and Talk:Free will are all climate articles. Otherwise one would be strongly pushed towards either "unbelievably stupid and irresponsible", or "unscrupulous dishonest shill". --Stephan Schulz (talk) 13:50, 22 December 2009 (UTC)
Hello Doug, I've been on something of a mini-hiatus from wikipedia, but just wanted to drop by and wish you and yours a very Merry Christmas. Take care and best in the new year. MarmadukePercy (talk) 01:19, 24 December 2009 (UTC)
They are famouse in Thailand but They are not known in world wide so I wrote thier page to support them and let other people in the world know them. Metal band here is great but most of people in Thailand not much support them and thier it's not hae other way to introduce them because Myspace just put out Thailand music charts and if there is no page to introduce them how can people in other country know them and search for them in youtube.
Please help them and other band in these undevelop country around this area by let me write information about them. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Motellaman (talk • contribs) 04:12, 24 December 2009 (UTC)
A NobodyMy talk is wishing you a Merry Christmas! This greeting (and season) promotes WikiLove and hopefully this note has made your day a little better. Spread the WikiLove by wishing another user a Merry Christmas, whether it be someone you have had disagreements with in the past, a good friend, or just some random person. Don't eat yellow snow!
Spread the holiday cheer by adding ((subst:User:Flaming/MC2008)) to their talk page with a friendly message.
To those who make Good Arguments, who are appreciative, or supportive. Sincerely, --A NobodyMy talk 20:44, 24 December 2009 (UTC)
Thank you for being one of the people who has made 2009 such an interesting and enlightening year for me. It has certainly had its challenges, but also many highlights. I wish you peace and contentment in 2010, and a joyous holiday season to you and yours.
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Doug:
I've tried to gently explain to User:Cyrussullivan that the site he's linking to does not conform to WP:BLP(See both our talk pages for our dialogue). His response, on my talk page:
"Manway, in order for a website to be an attack site it must contain malicious software. Did you receive a malicious software notice from that site? You are citing policies about the content of Wikipedia articles, not pages linked to from those articles. Placing a link to a list is not the same as writing a biography about a living person or altering a biography already written. I feel that you are letting your are letting your philosophical objections to the websites fraud policy govern your decision making. You seem more concerned with hurting the website than whether or not the link is relevant to the article. I am going to air on the side of public safety and restore my edit. I can guarantee you that every HIV/AIDS criminal arrest record on that website is accurate and that the list is the most comprehensive list of AIDS criminals that can be found in one place. The fraud policy for user reports is for another section and is completely irrelevant. Do us both a favor and don't waste time by perpetuating a game of back and forth editing."
As you are an administrator, could you please help our friend out? He seems sincere, but misguided. Thanks and Merry Christmas.
ETA: I have a strange feeling he may be a sock of Takashihirohito, who is using the same site in his one edit so far.
Regards, --Manway (talk) 06:47, 25 December 2009 (UTC)
Do you no longer believe your comments here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Neolithic#Africa_.26_pdf_on_AMS_dating (Your pdf link does not seem to work at the above link by the way)
This is the section: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neolithic#Africa
Full Shunyata gives no reason for his reverts and his latest footnote contains no source material. http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:Contributions&offset=20090207025755&target=Full+Shunyata
In Shunta's user talk 2/5/09 in his lowest entry the bottom line he does list a source but it contradicts the early early cultivation dates Shunta gives. P. 70-71 "The Cambridge History of Africa", http://books.google.com/books?id=JAca1F3qG34C&pg=PA70&lpg=PA70&dq=Africa,+neolithic&source=web&ots=wWVGAvbwDC&sig=oLsfZADAq2fplcionxe5hXjBgXw&hl=en&ei=V8GKSaSbO9eitge6-eibBw&sa=X&oi=book_result&resnum=10&ct=result#v=onepage&q=Africa%2C%20neolithic&f=false
I am now thinking the section should begin:
Africa
In the upper Nile Valley Africans begun raising and domesticating crops and cattle about 7,000 years ago....
In sub Saharan Africa the cultivation begins about 80BC
Given that you had said Van Sertima was unreliable the early 15,000 BCE pottery date supported in footnote 7 may be inaccurate as well.
7^ (Van Sertima, 1984, p. 20)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neolithic#Periods_by_pottery_phase
Footnote 8 - African Science in School Curriculum also supporting the same pottery date is based entirely on the oral tradition which naturally would be less likely to preserve well over time than pottery itself. A search on "pottery" leads to the following paragraph:
Alic (1986, p. 15) bases her claims on the assumption that "...evidence from the early scientific work of women can be traced..." from "oral traditions." Alic (1986, p. 15) goes on to say that Neolithic women were often thought to be possessed of magical powers, not only because of their ability to give birth, but also because of their skills in the domestic sciences - manufacturing, pottery, agriculture, the domestication of animals and healing. It was these achievements that early cultures personified in their goddesses.
Certainly the article is much improved. Thanks. Finding reliable sources is a lot more time consuming than spotting errors. Merry Christmas.
see here. and here. There are also earlier examples, but this one is over the edge. He has no respect for his fellow editors.Teeninvestor (talk) 23:42, 24 December 2009 (UTC)
I posted a response to the debate regarding the reliability of my list of People Arrested for Criminal HIV/AIDS Transmission Crimes. My argument basically boils down to the fact that I compiled that sub list myself from media research and can vouch for it's accuracy. I also sited sources in the reports linked to from that page. I believe that a link to it belongs in Criminal transmission of HIV because my list is 10 times larger than the list currently on Wikipedia at List of HIV Positive People.
No one has brought up the issue of conflict of interest, but I don't see one since as of now I have a monopoly in the area of comprehensive lists of people arrested for HIV/AIDS transmission crimes. I also never intended to vandalize Wikipedia, if that were the case I probably would have posted dozens of links all over the place.
I also don't recall ever seeing a set limit on the amount of advertising that a page being linked to can have. Please specify a maximum number of ads preferably by type (banner, inline, etc.), maximum number per type, and the maximum of all types combined.
See the debate in Reliable Sources
You also deleted my link in the Jakes Booty Call Article to my collection of Jakes Booty Call games that like the other sites in the external links section contain the same games and include advertising, but are inferior to mine because I provide embed code for webmasters that is compatible with Myspace and other social networking sites.--Cyrussullivan (talk) 11:13, 25 December 2009 (UTC)
Good point about the multiple boards, I am also an efficiency enthusiast. I also agree with you about some parts of the site being ad heavy, but a lot of that comes with the fact that the site is not finished yet and I am testing out different ad networks. This became necessary after Google AdSense terminated my account (a long story, but basically they had approved the site with the issues surrounding the BLP debate, changed their mind later, and after a lot of badgering finally paid me for earned clicks). The Google experience gave me the idea of trying out competing networks and then writing reviews at some point. One thing I do plan on is making the presence of skyscrapers on the bottom half of search grids dependent on row count and in the case of the carrier report profiles dependent on text length in relation to the explanation and other fields combined with the presence of pictures, video and comments.
In the interest of efficiency I will focus my reliability arguments on the section you started about the reliability my website as a source, but first I have some general questions:
1. In the case of Jake's Booty Call you are applying the WP:BLP Policy to a part of the website that has nothing to do with living persons. Like any site with a diverse variety of content (like You Tube that you allow) I don't believe that one section should apply to the site as a whole. My site is segregated into many different areas. For instance my video section features the largest collection of STD videos online (that I know of) compiled from video sharing sites using the source URL of each stream allowing any online flash video to be added. I don't think you will find a larger selection of Herpes and HIV/AIDS videos anywhere. My question is that if You Tube pages can be added as external links and You Tube videos can and frequently contain content that violates WP:BLP why can't my gaming, video, and in the case of Rick Rolling my 9 videos starting at once with a full page ad Rick Roll be added?
2. Surely my Rick Roll is the most annoying of all Rick Rolls. Is it not also relevant to your Annoying, Nuisance, and Abomination articles regardless of what site created it?
3. Joking aside RipOffReport.com and DontDateHimGirl.com as well as the now offline RottenNeighbor.com have articles. My website has received a great deal of publicity including a very misleading and censored story available at CNN.com as well as additional stories from various local news organizations across the country including KVAL 13 in Eugene Oregon, Illinois Home Page, NBC 4 in Columbus, Ohio, CBS 5 in Phoenix, and others. Why not have an article about STDCarriers.com?
In closing I respect as well as like Wikipedia. I use it as a starting point for a lot research that I do. It obviously has a much better arrangement then I do for regulating user created content that can change at any time. If you object to my linking to the STD Videos and Rick Roll pages I apologize. They are there for your convenience and I am well aware that they don't influence page rank. I use “rel no follow” on some of my pages although I prefer to use the AJAX ConfirmButtonExtender for user created links to discourage search engine spamming.
P.S. I believe that without the outer ring of letters and my biohazard symbol in the middle that I may have recently created the most historically inclusive National Symbol/Emblem of France with this image [16]. If it were up to me it would be on Wikipedia already, but I think I already know the answer to the question I want to ask. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Cyrussullivan (talk • contribs) 09:34, 27 December 2009 (UTC)
Thanks for your comments.
On dishonesty - it was possibly an uncool comment, but it was truthful.
When a person is charged with a crime, or in this case violation of a code of conduct, there are sections, and they have names to them. When an editor first removes the true name of the code section, and then enters instead words that may have appeared somewhere, but were not the name of any code section, or for that matter any part of any code, that is dishonest.
However, as stated in the discussion page, I had the "moment of clarity" today, when I saw that Montclair Plaza is going to be probably kept as an entry in wikipedia, while any mention of human rights atrocities in Katrina were censored out, and now Richard Fine information is dishonestly changed... There were other similar changes today, so in total the dishonest editing count is four:
(a) The charge claimed by the state bar - which indeed was the grounds for his false disbarment - of "Moral Turpitude" was replaced by words that do not conform to any section of the code;
(b)The fact that he was a former US prosecutor was deleted as insignificant;
(c) The fact that the payments to ALL Los Angeles judges which he uncovered required the convoluted "retroactive immunities" to be issued by enacting a dubious law...was deleted
(d) The fact that in jail he was denied access to pen and paper, so that he could not write, and he could not sign either the habeas corpus or 9th circuit court petition- was deleted.
What could I say - since the Age of Enlightenment and the French Encyclopedists, such projects defined their time and place. There is no doubt that wikipedia defines our times in the USA. Diderot would role in his grave...:) InproperinLA (talk) 01:12, 27 December 2009 (UTC)
Is it proper for the subject of this ANI post to place a ((resolved)) template in the reply posting before any other admin has gotten a chance to look at it? Just asking because it looked weird (and disruptive) to me. Moogwrench (talk) 07:29, 27 December 2009 (UTC)
I am going on my wikibreak, but before I go I would like to apologize for some of my behaviour, which I regret. When I return, I will not edit the article incubator.Teeninvestor (talk) 22:52, 27 December 2009 (UTC)
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FUCK YOU TOO!!!! u all are the same fucking christians!!!! u dont decide my countrys name!!!! This is Turkish Republic of Northern CYPRUS.... FUCK YOU!!!! Now do your fucking job and block me u fucking christian!Sultaniman (talk) 10:40, 28 December 2009 (UTC)
[17] ;) --Cúchullain t/c 14:55, 28 December 2009 (UTC)
I don't contest your revert/removal of advocate Shehu, though as a field geologist, his work is relevant to the article. It wasn't clear to me that the book was self-published. I see that now. About the external links: there exists an extensive array of divergent material at many web sites and much of it carries relevant information not covered in the article. I accompanied the EE entry since its early days and abandoned it because I saw its encyclopedic value being undermined by mainstream science considerations, as it is a discredited theory. I know Wiki guidelines advise against such bias but it is visible in the article. There exists a growing popular resurgence of Expanding Earth theory and it would be good encyclopedic form to inform about it. Opposition to doing so, due to scientific considerations overriding encyclopedic value, conceals an important popular and notable contemporary aspect of Expanding Earth. The additional external links help to inform about it. I understand that too many are not desirable, so perhaps we might consider allowing at least one more, perhaps the best of the three: Expanding Earth Knowledge Co. I will not press the issue but rather leave it to your evident good judgement. MichaelNetzer (talk) 15:54, 28 December 2009 (UTC)
Never mind being "the virus of the world", since I have a terrible cold at the moment I feel like the world's given me its virus. :-( Anyway, thanks for dealing with that pest. -- ChrisO (talk) 18:30, 28 December 2009 (UTC)
Hi Doug. It's a year since my RfA and I'm thinking of having another go. Would you want to nom again? (A rather hair-raising process last time, so if not, will understand). Moreschi seems to be away for a couple of weeks otherwise I would ask him too. All the best. Itsmejudith (talk) 16:29, 28 December 2009 (UTC)
Seeing that you have taken an interest in this article. I would like to bring to your attention a pattern of abuse whereby a serial vandal who continually whitewashes articles, Monkeyassault such as Najib Tun Razak and Scandals of Najib Tun Razak, it would be better for you to look at this discussion topic Talk:Najib_Tun_Razak#Over-protectionism_though_abuse_of_COATRACK.2FWP:BLP_claims. There were no particular instant that this individual made an effort to seek consensus. He continued to whitewash and conduct edit-warring at the Najib Tun Razak article, which let to the article being frozen for a few weeks. The Scandals of Najib Tun Razak article was created in the interim to put all the whitewashed information done by this individual that would later be reinstated in the main article. It would be a better solution to freeze the main article Najib Tun Razak from further edits until consensus has been achieved, provided if you have admin priveleges. Roman888 (talk) 17:12, 29 December 2009 (UTC)
No one has threatened you. When an incident is reported in ANI all parties involved should be notified. Monkeyassault (talk) 18:06, 29 December 2009 (UTC)
Maybe you can explain this one to me. Was the Quran ever written in Elizabethan English? That's a new one on me. Actually, maybe this is a recreation of that old Quaker thing, using the antiquated singular pronouns instead of the "uppity" plural ones.
Of course, the reasoning behind the usage in the fundamentalist church I attended as a youth was that the Bible (KJV of course) was written with those old pronouns so they were a part of "God's language." So I don't know what this fellow's thinking. What's your opinion? Auntie E. 17:46, 29 December 2009 (UTC)
JB50000 (talk) 03:58, 30 December 2009 (UTC)
I seem to have also violated WP:POINT, but my antipathy toward prejudice in its very many varied forms is such that I will sometimes use distasteful or offensive language to drive home the point that there is a duty of care for all of us to avoid reinforcing stereotypes or making assumptions upon any large group of diverse people. The terms and colloquialisms I used were deliberately provocative, in that perhaps as little as 50 years ago they were part of common language in many places but are now rightly considered offensive. However, that means I have also possibly offended some readers. I sincerely regret that. LessHeard vanU (talk) 12:08, 31 December 2009 (UTC)
If you could share your opinion of the evidence and general impressions at User_talk:WVBluefield#December_2009, it would be appreciated. Thank you. Vassyana (talk) 01:49, 1 January 2010 (UTC)
Merry Christmas Doug. Ever see this? History of the Hittites --Andrew Lancaster (talk) 20:40, 28 December 2009 (UTC)
Hello! I'm looking for an outside opinion on a Wikiquette request raised against me. You were very rational and reasonable last summer when we were dealing with User:Rock5410, and I trust your opinion. I know you will tell me if I'm out of line. So far the only other editor who has commented is someone else involved with the content dispute, and I'd appreciate hearing from someone totally unfamiliar with the background. The question is whether the phrase "forum shopping" is uncivil. If you have a few minutes to add a quick comment, I would greatly appreciate it. WeisheitSuchen (talk) 14:34, 2 January 2010 (UTC)
Thank you. KnightLago (talk) 16:42, 3 January 2010 (UTC)
I don't mind Hart being removed from articles but from basically a popular culture section I don't see any reason to remove the mentioning of the book. I think the Hart book is more notable than the passing of the name in Bryan Ferry’s ‘Mother of Pearl’ for instance. Garion96 (talk) 22:39, 3 January 2010 (UTC)
Hi, you deleted "Category:underwater ruins" and "Category:sunken cities" from Yonaguni Monument. While I agree that the chances of the site being human-modified are slim, the claim exists, and methinks that Wikipedia ought not pass judgement on that. Besides, if categories serve any purpose, it is to help readers find articles *related to* a given topic, not just on things that squarely fit the definition of the topic. In that sense, for example, Venusians and Mayan calendar belongs to the Category:Venus; and Yonaguni Monument and Atlantis belong to Category:Sunken cities, I woudl say. All the best, --Jorge Stolfi (talk) 01:04, 4 January 2010 (UTC)
I had originally put the people in the cat on ooparts but they really talk about multiple pseudoarch topics so instead of adding them to the all the sub cats I just put them in the main cat. As far as the underwater ruins your right, could go either way. Jmm6f488 (talk) 13:16, 4 January 2010 (UTC)
I think it's fairly obvious that he's sockpuppeting 2012 phenomenon. He has a record of (ridiculously lame) attempts at sockpuppetry in the past (including referring to himself in the third person and then signing his posts with his own name). I don't particularly want to get into a fight with him again, but I can't figure out how to report a sockpuppet. If you could help I'd be very grateful. Serendipodous 17:02, 3 January 2010 (UTC)
Nice job; I was chipping away at the layers of bullshit, but hadn't got round to researching properly. pablohablo. 16:37, 4 January 2010 (UTC)
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Thank you for your input and patience, IZAK (talk) 09:56, 5 January 2010 (UTC)
Why else would 9 and 10 year old girls be in demand? JackNapierX (talk) 18:42, 5 January 2010 (UTC)
Hey Doug, I've gotten into a very minor dispute at Juan Ponce de León y Loayza over whether or not a book by Gavin Menzies can be used as a source for early Spanish colonial history. Do you happen to have any recommendations for the best way to proceed? Thanks, ClovisPt (talk) 19:25, 5 January 2010 (UTC)
Hi Doug: Thanks for contacting me. I have responded to you on my talk page [19]. Thanks for your guidance, IZAK (talk) 08:46, 6 January 2010 (UTC)
Hi, could you please protect this article? CUSH 01:04, 6 January 2010 (UTC)
I agree with you on the problem with using fringe authors that most of them only use the data that supports their conclusions. Like saying that pyramids are laid out to map stars. I have always liked fringe theories not because I believe any of them but because they are sort of like my fiction. I was basically writing you to let you know I'm not some nut bar that thinks ancient civs had alien technology or some such nonsense. I do agree though that I think the category of alternative theories is misnamed because it place these theories on a par with scientific anthropology. Would a subtitle change be a good idea? Jmm6f488 (talk) 15:04, 6 January 2010 (UTC)
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If you or Nev1 aren't able even to argue at discussion sections, then remove all my changes which I made at:
Why double standards?
I've promised to Georgewilliamherbert that I won't made any changes on main articles, but only at discussion sections, and then you and Nev1 started to delete all my relevant discussions, which pissed me off. So, or leave my discussions alone, or delete all my contributions which I made.
By the way, note I'm not Paradoxic, and I won't made any change at main articles so it's irrelevant if you'll block this IP or not. Bye. Orijentolog or --93.142.183.46 (talk) 13:39, 8 January 2010 (UTC)
Hi Doug, you blocked User:ALGERIA BERBER for disruptive editing on Algeria and Languages of Algeria, for which I thank you. I had noted on their talkpage that IP 70.81.111.239 looked like the same kind of duck, and you blocked them (temporarily) as well. Now a new account, User:Aindrox, is making almost all (except for the 20% change) of the same edits on the same articles. Can you have a look and tell me if I should undertake any kind of action? Thanks, Drmies (talk) 18:03, 8 January 2010 (UTC)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Galileo_Galilei
i guess you would have had him burned at the stake for asking or even thinking any sort of question against peer review or what is accepted? strange how wikis article on Galileo Galilei makes it sound like those who were defending the mainstream view of the time, were bad people who tried to suppress his new, correct ideas... funny how it all goes in circles
non biased, non political - yeah of course —Preceding unsigned comment added by Badastronomy (talk • contribs) 00:40, 9 January 2010 (UTC)
Assuming that the user about whose name you inquired won't get back to you: it appears to be a personal name followed by what Google Translator makes out to be transcribed Arabic for "Jews and what is not sense". —Largo Plazo (talk) 13:01, 9 January 2010 (UTC)
You commented some time ago on an old Irish Belief.
I have done some further researsh, and included references!
.....CONTENTS
1. Introduction and update by Michael O’Carroll
2. Comments from Wikipedia
3. Ordinance Survey Map Showing Scotias Grave
4. Extracts from “The General History of Ireland”
by Jeoffry Keating DD
5. Extracts from “The Annals of the Four Masters”
6. Extracts from Barrington’s “Discovering Kerry”
1. INTRODUCTION BY MICHAEL O’CARROLL STATING CURRENT POSITION
Scotia, Scota, Scotia’s Glen and Scotia’s Grave have intrigued me since I learned of the connection with the Egyptian Pharaohs. As a child growing up I heard several references to the “Pharaoh’s Daughter” in songs and ballads, but it all went over my head; until I find myself living in the area of Tralee Bay, near where Scotia is reputed to be buried.
Natural curiosity, history books at hand and the availability of the internet has allowed me to do some research but I am now more confused than when I started; even in the more academic works there appear to be contradictions, so in short, what can now be said is that there may have been two Scotias whose fathers may have been any of four Egyptian Pharaohs.
Some facts and conventions first;
Due to antiquity the spelling of “Scotia”, may also be spelt “Scota” – both are acceptable.
The Irish Ordinance Survey Map has marked Scotia’s Grave.
Scotia’s Grave lies in a ravine near the Clahane mountain road, the “R5XX”, connecting Tralee to Castlemaine.
Scotia’s Glen is referenced in The Kerry Magazine : No. 17 / 2007.
There are many references to Scota in Scottish folklore/history
Pope Leo X. (1513 - 1521). Decreed that the use of the name Scotia be confined to referencing land that is now Scotland. Ref: http://www.reformation.org/scotia.html Benedict's Fitzpatrick's Ireland and the Foundations of Europe, pp. 376-379:
Lebor Gabála Érenn
http://www.ancienttexts.org/library/celtic/ctexts/lebor5.html
Extracts from the Book of Invasiona When the sons of Mil reached their landing-place they made no delay until they reached Sliab Mis; and the battle of Sliab Mis was fought between them and the Tuatha De Danann, and the victory was with the sons of Mil. Many of the Tuatha De Dannan were killed in that battle. It is there that Fas wife of Un son of Uicce fell, from whom is named Glen Faise. Scota wife of Mil fell in the same valley; from her is named " Scota's Grave", between Sliab Mis and the sea. The sons of Mil went afterwards to Tailltiu, and another battle was fought between them and the Tuatha De Danann there. Vehemently and whole-heatedly was it fought, for they were from morning to evening contending, bonehewing , and mutilating one another; till the three kings and the three queens of Ireland fell there- Mac Cecht by Eremon, Mac Cuill by Eber Finn, Mac Greine by Amergin, Eriu by Suyirge, Banba by Caicer, and Fodla by Etan. Those were the deaths of their chiefs and princes. After that the Tuatha De Danann were routed to the sea and the sons of Mil and their host were a long time following the rout. There fell, however two noble chiefs of the people of the sons of Mil in inflicting the rout, namely, Fuad in Sliab Fuait, and Cualgne in Sliab Cualgne, together with other warriors besides, who fell together on both sides. When the Tuatha De Danann were crushed and expelled in the battles that were fought between them, the sons of Mil took the lordship of Ireland. 2. COMMENTS FROM WIKIPEDIA 6 Neferhotep I There is absolutely no relationship between a king of Ancient Egypt and Scotland/Ireland. Neferhotep I ruled deep in the 18th century BC in Egypt when there was No possibility of contact between Egypt with Scotland. The furthest distance any Ancient Egyptian objects travelled in the Ancient World was to Morocco (where one or two objects naming Apophis were found) or Turkey---certainly not Ireland or Scotland which is separated from mainland Europe. You are not talking about the Medieval period when the Knights Templar and Richard the Lionheart travelled to the Holy Land in the 12/13th century AD. No serious Egyptologist, would dream of making such a claim. This is WP:FRINGE. I would add that your article on Scotia's Grave is unsourced and unverifiable. Leoboudv (talk) 21:25, 12 July 2008 (UTC)
Welcome to Wikipedia. Although everyone is welcome to make constructive contributions to Wikipedia, at least one of your recent edits, such as the one you made to Neferhotep I, did not appear to be constructive and has been reverted or removed. Please use the sandbox for any test edits you would like to make, and take a look at the welcome page to learn more about contributing to this encyclopaedia. Thank you. I see another editor has already commented on this. Doug Weller (talk) 16:34, 13 July 2008 (UTC)
Please do not add content without citing reliable sources, as you did to Scotia's Grave. Before making potentially controversial edits, it is recommended that you discuss them first on the article's talk page. If you are familiar with Wikipedia:Citing sources please take this opportunity to add references to the article. Contact me if you need assistance adding references. Thank you. Hi, please don't keep adding stuff to this article unless you have citations to go along with your edits. There is no evidence for a grave there, so although the title can call it a grave, in the article we can't talk about a grave as though there really was one there. The bit about the culverts is interesting but not sourced, and the stuff about Irish mythology needs specific sources which I will probably provide this week. Doug Weller (talk) 08:07, 15 July 2008 (UTC)
3. ORDINANCE SURVEY MAP SHOWING SCOTIAS GRAVE Extract from Irish Ordinance Map – Colour. Scale: 1/2inch to 1mile. Map No. 21/1985. Approximate latitude and longitude – to be confirmed by local GPS; Lat 52º 14’ 09’’ Long 009º 42’ 25”
4. Extracts from “The General History of Ireland” by Jeoffry Keating DD
Volume 1 Christie Edition of 1809
SCOTIA Pg 104
Gaodhal or Gaelas….
This prince the virtuous Scota bore
From the bright lustre of the arms he wore Called Gaodhal glas
Pg 105 From this Gaodhal glas, or Gadelas, the Gadel1ans derive their name; and the Irish, from him, are called Clana Gaodhal.. Upon this account, an ancient poet has these lines; From Gadelas the Irish had their name, The Scots from Scota, Feine from Fenius
Some of the Irish chronicles assert, that the reason why Scota, the mother of Gadelas, was so called, was, because the father of Gadelas was descended from the Scythian race, amongst whom it was a custom to call the women after their husbands name.
It is to be observed, that this princess was a different person from that Scota, who was the wife of Golamh, afterwards called Milesius, King of Spain, by whom he had six sons; for the father of Scota, the mother of Gadelas was Pharaoh Cingcris, king of Egypt, who perused the children of Israel, as they fled from slavery, and perished in the Red Sea with all his army: but the father of that Scota, who was the wife of Milesius, King of Spain, was the fifteenth king of Egypt in succession from the Pharaoh above mentioned, and distinguished by the name Pharaoh Nectonebus.
Pg 107.
Gadelas, after the decease of his father, took upon him the command, an admitted is mother Scota into a share of the government, and they reigned together with great wisdom and unanimity.
Pg 108
The successor of Pharaoh Cingcris, who perished in the Red Sea with his whole army, was Pharaoh an Tuir
Pg 109
Keating quotes Walshingham, in his book called “Hypodigma”…”The Egyptians being overwhelmed by the Red Sea, those that remained drove out a Scythian prince, who resided among them., least he should take advantage of the weakness of the government and make an attempt upon the crown. When he was expelled from the country with all his followers he came to Spain, where he and his people lived many years and became numerous, and from thence they came to Ireland.
GADELAS was the son of SCOTA, the daughter of Pharaoh Cingcris, King of Egypt
5. Extracts from “The Annals of the Four Masters” Ref: http://www.ucc.ie/celt/online/T100005A/ M3500.1 The fleet of the sone of Milidh came to Ireland at the end of this year, to take it from the Tuatha De Dananns; and they fought the battle of Sliabh Mis with them on the third day after landing. In this battle fell Scota, the daughter of Pharaoh, wife of Milidh; and the grave of Scota is to be seen between Sliabh Mis and the sea. Therein also fell Fas, the wife of Un, son of Uige, from whom is named Gleann Faisi. After this the sons of Milidh fought a battle at Tailtinn, against the three kinge of the Tuatha De Dananns, Mac Cuill, Mac Ceacht, and Mac Greine. The battle lasted for a long time, until Mac Ceacht fell by Eiremhon, Mac Cuill by Eimhear, and Mac Greine by Amhergin.
M891.14 Flann, son of Lonan, the Virgil of the race of Scota, chief poet of all the Gaeidhil, the best poet that was in Ireland in his time, was secretly murdered by the sons of Corrbuidhe (who were of the Ui Fothaith), at Loch Dachaech, in Deisi Mumhan.
6. Extracts from Barrington’s “Discovering Kerry” Scota – Index references Pages; 15, 225 & 237.
EXTRACT FROM; “Discovering Kerry” by T.J. Barrington,
Blackwater Press, Dublin
1976 ISBN 0 907471 00 8 Parameter error in ((ISBN)): checksum
Chapter l, Legends and Folk Tales. Legends (l) The Invasions (Pg 15)
The last invaders were the Gaels (or Goidels from the Welsh word for Irishman). They were reputed to have moved east from Egypt and to have taken Spain. There they built a tower to protect the land. From it one fine winter’s evening Ith saw Ireland. (In Galicia still there is a belief that from the top of an old Roman lighthouse one can, on a clear day, see Ireland.) With three ships he sailed there and landed in south Kerry. He spent some time in the peninsula and then made his way north to meet the three Tuatha De Danaan kings of Ireland, Mac Cuill, Mac Cecht and Mac Greine. He rashly praised the country and they, fearing he would come back with force to take it, pursued him to his ships. He was wounded in an ambush while he and his party embarked and died on the way back to Spain. This provoked his people to avenge him. In the year 1700 BC thirty ship-loads of them set sail. They included eight sons of Milesius, (Miles Espane, Spanish soldier) who had recently died. His widow Scota (which means, simply, Irishwoman) and the mother of six of the sons, sailed with them. Hence the invaders came to be called Milesians. They first saw land at Wexford but were driven off by Tuatha De Danaan magic. As they sailed westward, Erannan, the youngest of the sons, climbed the mast first to see Ireland, but fell and was drowned. Scene, the wife of the poet son Amergin, died within sight of land in the Kenmare River. Ir, a third son, was rowing so hard that his oar broke and he fell back in to the boat, died the following day, and was buried on the saddle of the Skellig where, until recently it is said, a dolmen stood. They landed near Waterville on Thursday, 1st May. As he put his foot on Ireland Amergin composed a famous incantation in which, like Krishna in the Bhagavad-Gita, he claims to subsume all being within himself. Then, a poem on the abundance of fish in the place. Erannan was buried near Kildreelig. Ballinskelligs, and Scene, reputedly, at Eightercua above Waterville.
The alignments of four stones at each of these places is supposed to mark the graves. Amergin said the estuary should always be called after her, Inber Scene. (However, some unromantic people say that Inber Scene is only the estuary of the Shannon.) Three days later they were on Slieve Mish, near Tralee, and there Banba, wife of one of the three kings of the Tuatha De Danaan, confronted them. After much magic, a battle was fought in which Scota was killed. She was buried in Glanaskagheen in the mountains and her reputed grave is to be seen. Another of the wives, Fas, was also killed and buried in Glenfash and the little christian church of Killeton is supposed to be built on her grave. The invaders won this battle, made for Tara and demanded either battle or the sovereignty of Ireland. It was represented to them that they had not given due notice of their intention — a point Amergin concurred in notwithstanding the soldierly impatience of one of the joint leaders, Donn. However, they agreed to re-embark at Waterville and withdraw ‘nine waves’. When they stood out to sea a great, magic storm blew up and drove them west. At length Amergin calmed the storm and they returned to the estuary. Here the ship of the joint leader, Donn, was wrecked on Bull Rock and Donn and his shipload were drowned. They were buried on the rock which came to be called Teach Duinn (Donn’s House), a synonym for the other world. At length, three of the sons of Milesius, including Amergin, landed again at Waterville. Here Luigdeach, son of Ith, was bathing naked in Lough Currane (or Lough Luigdeach) and his wife Fial was also bathing naked in the little river that runs from the lake. Husband and wife unexpectedly confronted each other and Fial died at once of shame.
Extract from Barrington Page 225 Scotia. (III) TRALEE CASTLEMAINE — MILLTOWN — KILLORGLIN — CROMANE
Take the road due south of Tralee over the mountains towards Castlemaine to Glanaskagheen, Scotia’s Glen (II. 84. 110. b). Near the summit there are fine views north over Tralee. Just below the last house on the right near the head of the glen and across the stream is a deeper part of the glen. Here is a huge slab carved with innumerable names. It is said to mark the grave of Queen Scotia. She was the widow of Milesius and daughter of the Pharaoh. There are two accounts of her death. One is that she was killed in the great battle of Sliabh Mis nearby between the Tuatha De Danaan and the invading Milesians, fought in the year 1695 BC. The other is that she used jump across this glen until one day, being pregnant, she fell and was killed.
Above the glen the road becomes pretty rough, but passable. As one begins to descend on the far side one has splendid views to the south. After a steep fall turn right at the cross roads along a narrow road for about two and three-quarter miles and turn sharp left at Boolteens (IL 81. 105. c). Follow this road for one and one-quarter miles. Then, on the right, there is a national monuments sign for the Ardcanaght stones (II. 82. 103. b).
They require a walk of a half-mile along a boithrin, through a farmyard and, bearing left, over a stile into a field. There are fragments of ogam stones that may not be genuine. Of greater interest is another stone in the group covered with cup markings and other scribings. Extract from Barrington Page 237 Places Part 3. - Scotia This little church is in the parish of Kilgobban. Gobban and Elton were, with Sedna, sons of Erc married to Mor, supposed sister of St David of Wales. She lived at Ailtraighe Cliach (Knockannish, across Tralee Bay). David’s mother was Irish and he was a major influence on the early Irish church. David died about the middle of the 6th century. All three nephews settled and died in Kinsale, and Elton, victim of a succession of diminutives and of Anglicisation came bto be known as St. Multose. The church is built on a curbed mound, traditionally the grave of Fas, wife of one of the Milesian leaders. She was killed in the great battle of Sliabh Mis in which her mother- in-law, Scotia, was also killed. This is another example of a christian site being associated with a pagan one. The glen here is called Glenfash, (III. 72. 110) after her. Scotia’s Glen, Glanaskagheen, is a few miles to the east, in Trughanacmy, near Tralee.
West, in the farmyard beside the bungalow on the main roadside is a supposed ceallunach and cross pillar. Neither is correct, but there are ruined clochans there. Along the low land here, right back to Tralee, was in the 16th century Derrymore, the great oak wood. Extract from Barrington Pg. 225 Scotia. (III) TRALEE CASTLEMAINE — MILLTOWN — KILLORGLIN — CROMANE
Take the road due south of Tralee over the mountains towards Castlemaine to Glanaskagheen, Scotia’s Glen (II. 84. 110. b). Near the summit there are fine views north over Tralee. Just below the last house on the right near the head of the glen and across the stream is a deeper part of the glen. Here is a huge slab carved with innumerable names. It is said to mark the grave of Queen Scotia. She was the widow of Milesius and daughter of the Pharaoh. There are two accounts of her death. One is that she was killed in the great battle of Sliabh Mis nearby between the Tuatha De Danaan and the invading Milesians, fought in the year 1695 BC. The other is that she used jump across this glen until one day, being pregnant, she fell and was killed.
Above the glen the road becomes pretty rough, but passable. As one begins to descend on the far side one has splendid views to the south. After a steep fall turn right at the cross roads along a narrow road for about two and three-quarter miles and turn sharp left at Boolteens (IL 81. 105. c). Follow this road for one and one-quarter miles. Then, on the right, there is a national monuments sign for the Ardcanaght stones (II. 82. 103. b).
They require a walk of a half-mile along a boithrin, through a farmyard and, bearing left, over a stile into a field. There are fragments of ogam stones that may not be genuine. Of greater interest is another stone in the group covered with cup markings and other scribings. Page 237 Places Part 3. This little church is in the parish of Kilgobban. Gobban and Elton were, with Sedna, sons of Erc married to Mor, supposed sister of St David of Wales. She lived at Ailtraighe Cliach (Knockannish, across Tralee Bay). David’s mother was Irish and he was a major influence on the early Irish church. David died about the middle of the 6th century. All three nephews settled and died in Kinsale, and Elton, victim of a succession of diminutives and of Anglicisation came bto be known as St. Multose. The church is built on a curbed mound, traditionally the grave of Fas, wife of one of the Milesian leaders. She was killed in the great battle of Sliabh Mis in which her mother- in-law, Scotia, was also killed. This is another example of a christian site being associated with a pagan one. The glen here is called Glenfash, (III. 72. 110) after her. Scotia’s Glen, Glanaskagheen, is a few miles to the east, in Trughanacmy, near Tralee.
West, in the farmyard beside the bungalow on the main roadside is a supposed ceallunach and cross pillar. Neither is correct, but there are ruined clochans there. Along the low land here, right back to Tralee, was in the 16th century Derrymore, the great oak wood. About T.J. Barrington, Author of “Discovering Kerry” T.J. Barrington was born in Dublin in 1916, and graduated in economics and history from University College, Dublin. After some years in business and as a senior civil servant, he became, in 1960, the first Director of the Institute of Public Administration in Dublin. He is an executive or a council member of a number of bodies in Ireland and abroad concerned with public affairs, and has lectured extensively on these matters in a number of countries.
He is much preoccupied with the Third World and has travelled widely, especially in Africa. He is the author of a book on decentralising government, and of a pamphlet on interviewing.
He lives in Enniskerry, Co Wicklow. His love affair with Kerry began in 1933 and this book has been a-writing since 1962. He and his family have for many years spent their holidays in Kerry and now have a second home there, near Castlecove.
Regards, MOC MOC 21:04, 9 January 2010 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Fenitharbour (talk • contribs)
Please see:: Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Yahweh and Allah.Borock (talk) 06:56, 10 January 2010 (UTC)
Thanks--Cheng Ch'eng-kung (talk) 08:23, 10 January 2010 (UTC)
When you removed the comment of Jennifer500 at the AfD for Faye Marsh you left a response to their sumbission with no context. Far better, on discussion pages, to strike rather than remove these comments. I42 (talk) 09:06, 10 January 2010 (UTC)
In re Routerone: I appreciate your call.--John Foxe (talk) 12:44, 10 January 2010 (UTC)
I have no doubt at all that you are doing this in good faith, but I don't think it's a good idea. I raised the issue elsewhere to find out if I was alone, please see [20]. Thanks. Dougweller (talk) 06:15, 10 January 2010 (UTC)
Thanks for your intervention! See this section I have just added at Talk:Australia.–⊥¡ɐɔıʇǝoNoetica!T– 23:24, 11 January 2010 (UTC)
Cheers, Jack Merridew 20:52, 12 January 2010 (UTC)
Theserialcomma is unhappy with Tothwolf'w departure message, and tried to remove it, possibly in violation of WP:TALK. Tothwolf reverted (next diff). I think some sort of page protection may be needed here, given that Tothwolf is retired. Pcap ping 23:02, 12 January 2010 (UTC)
Hi Doug
You just reverted my Anglo-Saxon England edit citing John Morris, Dark Age Dates as the was too old.
However, his was the definitive work on this subject and historians are still citing his work. A few more recent publications that cite his work:
Sussex archaeological collections, Volume 132 - Page 118 (1986), The end of Roman Britain. Jones - Page 47 (1998), Early Anglo-Saxon Sussex - Page 310 (1983), The historic King Arthur: authenticating the Celtic hero of post-Roman Britain. Reno - Page 81 (1996), After Empire: Towards an Ethnology of Europe's Barbarians - (2003), or a current website via google http://www.hereticemperor.co.uk/VMP/Book%204/Chapter%2016/1DAgeDates.html#DAgeDates3
I could go on. The fact is his work still stands, what he did was to take some dates from Gildas that could be verified from other known reliable sources and Gildas was out by 20 years, so he speculated that all of Gildas dates were out by 20 years. To my knowledge nobody else has done any work in this area since. So rather than quote a secondary more recent source, I would like to restore the original Morris.
Regards —Preceding unsigned comment added by Wilfridselsey (talk • contribs) 15:18, 13 January 2010 (UTC) Doug
Checked out the website and they cite a more recent publication by Morris (The Age of Arthur) latest edition 2004, and it has a table of dates pp.512 - 517 and again it suggests the dates were earlier by 20 years. Wilfridselsey (talk) 15:37, 13 January 2010 (UTC)
Hum you're right the website was a mistake. The genetic stuff was something else entirely, some research done by the University of Reading on Y-chromosome variation, they were able to work out the number of Anglo-Saxons who migrated to Britain and the intermarriage rates. That was published in 2006. It is quite interesting as it supports mass migration into Britain as opposed to what was modern thinking that it was just an elite band of raiders that arrived.
No Morris simply compared known dates with what Gildas had recorded and was able to identify some that were verifiable and they were wrong. The book I have was reprinted in 2004 I notice that the original publication was '73.
I know that he had some criticism about his methodolgy on a lot of his work, but not in this case. I am not saying that there has not been any work by others in this area, I just said that Morris did the first serious work on dating, this was one essay on the one subject, I have not seen anything else on that scale, just a mention that Gildas was suspect and usually a reference to Morris. The sentence in the article was Bede dates the Coming of the Saxons to 446 AD; but this is now doubted., it had a citation request next to it, so as I said Morris is the definitive work in this area, so I used him. I guess that is it you want a recent citation, I would prefer Morris. If there is a contrary view to Morris, I would also like that up as well. The way the references are set up make it somewhat difficult to explain citations in any way. I think that it would be better if there was a Notes Section as well as a Reference. Now I guess that should be on the Talk page? BTW -I notice that Stenton is also given as a reference in the same article, his book was first published in '43.
I know Reno's views are some what strange. I did not say I agreed with him, just that he had used Morris as a reference.
Regards
Wilfridselsey (talk) 17:20, 13 January 2010 (UTC)
You are right, the article does need some work to clean it up,of nine references given in the article, one is a dead link, two are selfpublished work and one is to a letter page (it is to the Brit Archaeology site letter page I suppose!). Good to see a universally high standard of references? I would like to clean this up and seperate the citations into References and Notes (the Notes section is useful for explaining a citation as you know) however if you continue reverting everything I do it seems a rather pointless exercise. Are you happy for me to go ahead with this? Wilfridselsey (talk) 10:58, 14 January 2010 (UTC)
[22] Trum5770 (talk) 00:32, 13 January 2010 (UTC)
Hi Doug
I have reorganised the 'Notes and references' section on 'History of Anglo-Saxon England' as promised. I have also included a modern Higham reference just for you! I will try and help to tidy the article up as I have time.
Regards
Wilfridselsey (talk) 17:05, 15 January 2010 (UTC)
Hi Dougweller,
I have no experience with arbitration, so I'm not sure how and when to proceed. Since the case was opened against me, am I supposed to respond to the complaints now, or wait for the arbitrators to ask questions. If I can or am supposed to respond, where do I post my responses? If I have complaints on other involved editors, where do I post them? Many thanks, Shlomke (talk) 03:05, 11 January 2010 (UTC)
Hi again. Need some advice. There has been a great amount of dispute on the talk pages of Chabad-Lubavitch related controversies regarding what constitutes a "Chabad controversy". I would like to ask the arbs to set guidelines for this. Is this something they handle, and if yes, where (in the workshop) would I post this? Thanks, Shlomke (talk) 04:53, 15 January 2010 (UTC)
Hi, please have a look at my proposed finding of fact at User:Shlomke/drafts and tell me if this is what you mean the arbs are looking for, as well as if anything needs explaining, corrections etc.. If this is not what they want, please clarify what it is. Thanks, Shlomke (talk) 05:45, 19 January 2010 (UTC)
His new IP: 93.142.157.65 -- Plot Spoiler (talk) 02:09, 15 January 2010 (UTC)
I took the "bold" step of reverting back to January 12th version. If I did wrong, feel free to rollback my reversion. ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 14:04, 17 January 2010 (UTC)
Hi Doug, I've provided a citation from the world's foremost expert on the eastern Mediterranean (Dr. Hall) on the discussion page. It shows that what is currently listed as criticism about the Cyprus theory is no more than an assumption, and yet it is being listed as final scientific proof. Truth is that no one truly understands the highly complex nature of the eastern Mediterranean geophysics and any attempts to provide sweeping assumptions as scientific facts is no more than quackery. Please let me know how to proceed on this as the use of assumptions to provide final "facts" is against Wiki policy, is not neutral, and makes a mockery of this site. Thanks. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Profsherman (talk • contribs) 18:31, 9 January 2010 (UTC)
Thanks Doug. According to Wiki policy ("Neutral point of view (NPOV) is a fundamental Wikimedia principle and a cornerstone of Wikipedia. All Wikipedia articles and other encyclopedic content must be written from a neutral point of view, representing fairly, and as far as possible without bias, all significant views that have been published by reliable sources. This is non-negotiable and expected of all articles and all editors.) the following sources must be listed as other scientists with opposing views, namely, that the eastern Mediterranean was/is itself a "sunken continent," which negates the core sample results, particularly since these core samples are not even from the Cyprus Arc itself but rather from unrelated locations.
Malovitsky, Y.P., Emelyanov, E.M., Kazakov, O.V., Moskalenki, V.N., Osipov, Shimkus, K.M., and Chumakov, I.S., 1975. Geological Structure of the Mediterranean Seafloor, Mar. Geol., 18(4), p. 231-261
Krasheninnikov, V. A., Hall, J. K., Hirsch, F., Benjamini, C. & Flexer, A. (Eds.) (2005) Geological framework of the Levant, Volume I: Cyprus and Syria. Historical Productions-Hall, Jerusalem, Israel.
Thanks. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Profsherman (talk • contribs) 19:53, 9 January 2010 (UTC)
Hi again Doug:
According to the unnamed researcher you noted above, "It is true that Hall (2005) is a reliable, published source." That, Doug, is really all that matters, and whether or not this researcher agrees with Hall or Malovitsky is irrelevant since Wikipedia's guidelines clearly state: "...articles and other encyclopedic content must be written from a neutral point of view, representing fairly, and as far as possible without bias, all significant views that have been published by reliable sources'. This is non-negotiable...
Since it's non-negotiable, then Hall's reference to malovistky's research (2005) as well as the citation from Malovistky's paper itself, both of which take note of the "sunken continent" theory must be included if the article is to remain free of "bias." And again, until physical proof comes from the Cyprus Arc itself then all conjecture is based on assumptions, and even they're educated assumptions, they cannot be stated as absolute, final truths -- again, this would run contrary to Wiki's guidelines.
There's nothing worse than religious dogma, except for scientific dogma. All points of view must be presented fairly, regardless of personal beliefs. This is the law of science, and the law of Wikipedia. Based on Wiki's own clear guidelines, the other points of view MUST be included. We're not here for dogma; that can presented in personal writings.
Thanks. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Profsherman (talk • contribs) 05:20, 10 January 2010 (UTC)
Additional note, It does not matter what Hall (2005) said about Malovistkiy et al. (1975). What matters is what actually is written and illustrated in Malovistkiy et al. (1975). In Wikipedia, the primary source always has priority to second-hand accounts. If there is nothing in Malovistky et al. (1975) about a sunken continent in the Levantine Basin, what Hall (2005) says about Malovistkiy et al. (1975) is meaningless. It is quite possible that Hall (2005) was confused about the location of the "sunken continent" in the Tyrrhenian Sea mentioned in Malovistkiy et al. (1975) and mistakenly located it in the Levantine Basin. The fact that Malovistkiy et al. (1975) lacks any mention of a "sunken continent" in the Levantine Basin completely discredits Hall (2005)'s note about this "sunken continent" and make it useless for Wikipedia purposes unless some further documentation supporting this report can be found or a valid source for the reference to this "sunken continent" can be located.Paul H. (talk) 23:15, 10 January 2010 (UTC)
Ok Paul H., I wasn't going to second-guess Dr. Hall. According to you, Dr. Hall was wrong about what Malovitskiy said, and Malovistkiy's research itself is unreliable anyway. So, I've already written Dr. Hall and am going to contact Malovitskiy shortly. His research is really not the main point here anyway.
What's really troubling is that if you wish to state absolute, final truths, it must be based on more than hypothesis and inference. When you wish to publish these hypotheses they must not be stated as absolute and final truths, even if in your opinion it's with an "extremely high degree of certainty." It should say, "based on these findings, we can infer that the Cyprus Arc has always been under water." You sound very scientifically minded and I'm sure you agree that this would be a more scientifically accurate statement.
I would like your help in adding certain reliably-sourced facts to the article, since I'm not supposed to do it myself and it apparently has to go through you first. Can you help with this? Thanks. --Profsherman (talk) 19:54, 11 January 2010 (UTC)
As you know, I contacted Dr, Hall about Malovistkiy's paper. In his reply, he characterized Malovistkiy's paper as a "totally out-of-date reference", which supports my contention that it is too hopelessly out-of-date to be considered a reliable source by Wikipedia standards. Also, in respect to Sarmast's "Acropolis", he stated that he thought that Huebscher's 2009 paper definitely demonstrated that it was a natural structure. There was nothing in Dr. Hall's reply that demonstrated that he regarded Sarmast's hypothesis about Atlantis being at the bottom of the eastern Mediterranean as having any credibility at all. If Sarmast wants to be taken seriously, he needs to provide direct evidence in the form of recognizable artifacts or cultural deposits either photographed or recovered in situ from the area of the "Acropolis."
In addition, I have found a paper, which I will let you find for yourself until after I investigate it for my own purposes, that discusses cores containing sediments dating back to over 40,000 to 50,000 BP have recovered from very near Sarmast's Acropolis and from the Cyprus Arc. That these cores show continuous deep-sea marine sedimentation over the last 40,000 to 50,000 years for the area of the Acropolis and parts of the Cyprus Arc. It clearly refutes any claim by either you or Sarmast that either area might have been above water during the past 40,000 to 50,000 years. Obviously, you have a lot of gaps in the literature review that you need to fill in your research concerning the Levantine Basin for the Wikipedia article.Paul H. (talk) 18:29, 13 January 2010 (UTC)
I think you misunderstand Paul. The purported Acropolis area is only a tiny area of a huge submarine valley that is theorized to be the "rectangular plain" of Atlantis. It's all under mud and there's no way to check under it for geometric shapes (structures). The civilization would have been there 40,000 years ago and prior. The anomalies around the purported Acropolis Hill were researched with sub-bottom profilers by Sarmast and he himself said they are natural. They've been there for at least 100,000 years. If people lived there prior to the flood, they would have used those natural formations for defense, irrigation etc., and no device today would be able to detect it.
Wiki is just a place where people's theories are presented; I didn't realize it has become a board of deciders about what is or isn't true. The sinking of the Mediterranean basin, the Gibraltar break, and the tectonic plates were all described in the Urantia Papers in details, and it was published in 1955, way before scientists "discovered" them. You simply do not have the background to be able to comprehend the scope of this research but you mean well, and I can respect that. All the best. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.49.110.73 (talk) 02:32, 16 January 2010 (UTC)
If the Gibraltar break, the movement of tectonic plates, and the salinity crisis of the Med. were described in detail decades before they were discovered by science, then it obviously does give you special knowledge and insight into geological issues. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.49.110.73 (talk) 23:50, 20 January 2010 (UTC)
By the way, it also describes the 27-mile wide isthmus that once connected the peninsula to the eastern Mediterranean coastline -- before there were bathymetric data for the region that prove that correct as well. I'm sure it's all an accident though :) Anyhow, what does any of this have to do with Wiki? If the fact that the ancient world knew/believed that the Med. was connected with the Atlantic because of the Gibraltar break, along with the info in the Urantia Papers, along with an exact match with Plato's description of the great plain of Atlantis on bathymetric maps -- if they were all used to justify an expedition to get a closer look, shouldn't that be mentioned? Or does the fact that science doesn't believe any of this just yet mean that it all has to all be kept out of the public eye, even when they're all from reliable sources? Trying to understand this confused/confusing website.--67.49.110.73 (talk) 00:32, 21 January 2010 (UTC)
... was not my intent, although is of course completely unworkable (and undesirable) to impose an 'entrance' fee in this way. I guess what I was trying (badly) to point out was that people would be more informed on what's required if they took a crack at editing some of the offending articles first. I realise that many of the people commenting have done just that. pablohablo. 17:28, 20 January 2010 (UTC)
per my new message on the clerks noticeboard[[23]], do you still think tothwolf rehashing of the same accusations that arbcom is admonishing him for isn't related to arbcom enforcement? i understand that technically the case isn't closed, but it's headed towards him being admonished for this exact behavior. must i really bring this drama to ANI to get an uninvolved person to remove these attacks? Theserialcomma (talk) 20:03, 20 January 2010 (UTC)
Over a week has passed since we were asked to bring evidence and comments to this case. What will be happening now?
What is the usual timeframe for proposed decisions? Or is this case still gathering evidence? Will parties be able to discuss proposed decisions, or will discussion be closed at a certain time? Debresser (talk) 02:14, 20 January 2010 (UTC)
I have counseled Frenchbull (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log) with respect to conflict of interest and created the account 161e61 (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log) for him to use. Fred Talk 20:06, 20 January 2010 (UTC)
Hi Doug, could you please confirm and update: [24]. Paul August ☎ 14:31, 21 January 2010 (UTC)
It made no sense stuck out on its own - I've deleted it; I didn't feel that strongly anyway, and it appeared Kevin was going through some personal stuff so I wasn't bothered at the time. Little grape (talk) 18:36, 21 January 2010 (UTC)
I think your personal views on David are making you not objective.
I agree with you that this find does not prove the existence of David but what it does disprove are claims that a strong central monarchy in Israel in the 10th century did not and could not have existed. Reargun (talk) 14:47, 22 January 2010 (UTC)
Your criticisms are vague and I suspect that you do not know much about this topic. My remarks maybe very unfair and if so I apologist. This is a good discussion on the topic please read it and get back to me.
http://robertcargill.com/2010/01/07/earliest-hebrew-inscription-reported-found/
I think my comments using some, earlier and many as better and more accurate. I can put references in here if you like.
It probably is Hebrew but there is some remote possibility that it was not.
As far as the heading, I just reverted it back and used the name already there. It is a common name for it just do a search on "10th century hebrew inscription". That is where I got it earlier.
Finally I think that centralised polity that is not a kingdom is not likely but this is another question.
Reargun (talk) 16:33, 22 January 2010 (UTC)
It looks like Wikipedia article space is now free of links to earlybritishkingdoms.com. We'll see how long this lasts, but for the time being I feel like we've accomplished something. Cheers!--Cúchullain t/c 15:47, 22 January 2010 (UTC)
Ill note that when that dicussion is archived, it should be linked with motion in the index I suppose. Do you think that it has ended already or moved to another venue?
Seddon talk|WikimediaUK 19:45, 22 January 2010 (UTC)
Doug, whether you believe it or not, I have a copy of the book and THAT is my source. If you would like, I'll email you a scan. Just because Google doesn't have information on everything in the known universe doesn't mean it doesn't exist. I think Blumrich knew where he worked and what it was called.
Here are the sources I am using:
Josef F. Blumrich is chief of the systems layout branch of NASA. Born in Steyr, Austria ..."
Spaceships unnumbered p. 180
The Spaceships of Ezekiel
JOSEF F. BLUMRICH
Confirms Ancient Astronaut Theories
Josef F. Blumrich, Chief of the Systems Layout Branch of NASA, helped develop ..."
Spaceships unnumbered p. 181
24.155.68.169 (talk) 06:59, 23 January 2010 (UTC)
Sure did, Doug. I was using Huggle (which I rarely do) and just clicked through it. Apologies and thanks for catching it. Regards. --Manway (talk) 06:49, 24 January 2010 (UTC)
Ya. His user page is so confusing. I first read the top line wrongly (it's writtinwritten "unblocked indefinitely", while I read, blocked indefinitely). And then got missed reading the next paragraphs. Anyway, apologised to him and have withdrawn the SPI report.
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The table on the Judges page was way out of line, I don't think the user understands the meaning of OR. On the A&E page, I just re-wrote the ref to refer directly to the JPS Torah, the diff being that people will now have to go look for it in a library. PiCo (talk) 12:21, 25 January 2010 (UTC)
it's generally considered bad form to template established users - a simple reminder would have sufficed. no worries though, I had a moment of temper and unwatched the page. it happens. if you'd care to discuss the matter you can leave a note here or on my talk page. --Ludwigs2 06:40, 26 January 2010 (UTC)
Wondering if you have any opinion on this. Finding well-sourced conspiracy theories for that section is difficult, but if it's going to be a drama magnet, I'd rather see the Chavez story gone. - LuckyLouie (talk) 16:50, 25 January 2010 (UTC)
Hi, Doug. There have been a lot of shenanigans at Bosnian Royal Family, an article up for AfD which seems to be suffering an infestation of sock and/or meat puppets. The latest member of this crew is User:Goldor, who has been re-adding complete junk to the page. I think it needs semi-protecting to stop these SPAs. Personally, I've come to believe the whole article is a hoax (for instance, see if you can spot an unusual feature of this coat-of-arms image created specially for the page[25]). Cheers. --Folantin (talk) 13:45, 26 January 2010 (UTC)
Yikes, I always forget about that when I'm in a hurry. I'll pay attention to it from now on- thanks for catching that. (Omirocksthisworld (talk) 08:56, 27 January 2010 (UTC))
I didn't think my understanding of the policies was that wrong but I re-checked the WP:MINOR and sure enough around 22nd June 2009 this edit [26] adds "talk pages" to the list. Prior to that the WP:MINOR did NOT mention talk pages but only alludes to article pages. The WP:TALK doesn't mention use of the "minor" flag. WP:TALK thus needs to be updated to highlight that though the publishing standards may be different, the use of the WP:MINOR flag is the same across article and talk page edits. Ttiotsw (talk) 09:32, 27 January 2010 (UTC)
I have added "Use minor for minor changes only: The minor flag in your edits should be used as it is with article pages and should only be used for superficial differences between the current and previous versions such as typographical corrections, formatting and presentational changes or rearrangement of text without modification of content. Adding new text to the talk pages should not be marked as minor." to the WP:TALK guidelines. OK ? Ttiotsw (talk) 09:59, 27 January 2010 (UTC)
I agree. Vandalism is a major problem. In my view it often includes people using the Wikipedia for their own political agenda. Reargun (talk) 11:21, 27 January 2010 (UTC)
Thanks doug, my mistake, you did the right thing. Ikip 12:46, 27 January 2010 (UTC)
Thank you Dougweller for your welcome message, it's kind. :) You have right, I have some experience. I was making some edits across my favourite topics without an account for couple of weeks. ;)
Althought English is not my native-tongue, I hope my contributing shall be OK :)) Have a nice day and thank you once more! take this as a farewell kiss —Preceding unsigned comment added by Take this as a farewell kiss (talk • contribs) 21:22, 27 January 2010 (UTC)
Hi Doug! You just blocked the new account, User:The Ming Dynasty, for block evasion. I went through all of his edits that he made tonight and reverted those that had not already been done with the following edit summary: “Reverting actions of account that was blocked for block evasion.” Is that okay? Most of these would have had to be reverted anyway with various other descriptions and concomitant warning templates placed on this talk page. But, since the account was indefinitely blocked, I used a “blanket” description. Hope that’s not a problem. Thanks! — SpikeToronto 06:50, 27 January 2010 (UTC)
Yeah, I saw that one! Outing himself. I am reverting the edits he did as Central officials eagles and military dogs (COEMD). But, in some cases, putting them back puts them back to edits done as Yongle the Great. Maybe he thinks that by outing COEMD, it will restore edits he wants kept by Yongle. Anyway, a good example is Category:Ming Dynasty imperial consorts. Why not just delete the page? Thanks! — SpikeToronto 07:06, 29 January 2010 (UTC)
UPDATE Same with Noble Consort Cheng Mu. — SpikeToronto 07:07, 29 January 2010 (UTC)
UPDATE Ditto Consort Guo Ning. — SpikeToronto 07:09, 29 January 2010 (UTC)
UPDATE Possibly Consort Li Shu and Noble Consort Gong Shu. As regards outing himself, perhaps his madness, ’tis method in it. — SpikeToronto 07:11, 29 January 2010 (UTC)
Hi,
I am interested in becoming a Clerk. Even though I have a small amount of edits, I feel this would be a perfect role for me. How would I continue with the process? Enti342 (talk) 02:43, 29 January 2010 (UTC)
Doug can you have a look at this user who has suddenly appeared and gone heavily into a lot of old controversies ? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/Dna_truth --Andrew Lancaster (talk) 14:11, 29 January 2010 (UTC)
Don't remember whether it was you or another editor that was commiserating about the plethora of tiny "massacre" articles, but there's a deletion discussion going on at [27]. (Taivo (talk) 00:45, 30 January 2010 (UTC))
Hi Doug. I can confirm that the image is definitely not a BLP violation. I know the guys in question and I was aware at the time of the purpose of their trip. This photo was specifically taken with their permission to be put on this article. Thanks, Rabbi Orr Cohen (talk) 12:37, 30 January 2010 (UTC)
Hello Doug. I just wanted to run something by you. There has been a persistent user vandalizing this page with bizarro stuff. I put the page on my watch list some time ago, and haven't contributed but have just reverted this registered user, whose only contributions to wikipedia consist of vandalizing this entry. Just now I received a strange message from the user on my page: "Hello MarmadukePercy -- I have some questions for you. everyman717@yahoo.co.uk Everyman777 (talk) 23:59, 30 January 2010 (UTC)" This feels like a case of cyberstalking. Is there something that can be done about this sort of behavior? Thanks much! MarmadukePercy (talk) 00:18, 31 January 2010 (UTC)
Hi Doug. Thanks for fixing this. Somehow I overlooked the words in italics. -- Brangifer (talk) 07:01, 31 January 2010 (UTC)
I'm a bit confuzzled by your removal of comments in this edit. In your edit summary you say "Comment in your own section please". But the comments removed in question were made by Jeske Couriano under the Jeske Couriano statement section. Can you explain why they were removed? MelicansMatkin (talk, contributions) 08:08, 31 January 2010 (UTC)
even while blocked for the violating his restrictions, tothwolf continues to repeat delusional, yet confident, allegations about my supposed real life identity, along with some imaginary COI, because he's convinced that he's outed me as being some woman who runs a blog. he continues to repeat these creepy and erroneous outing attempts -- as if they were a matter of fact -- EVEN WHILE HE'S BLOCKED: Tothwolf: "I asked for someone uninvolved who is familiar with BLP and NPOV issues to review an article after it was edited by someone who had been berating and ranting about the subject of the BLP (during the time in which they edited it) on their blog (including linking to it and other related pages they were editing/creating)."[[28]] please do something. these matter-of-fact accusations and outing attempts cannot continue. the behavior is a direct violation of his restrictions, and it's unacceptable behavior otherwise. also, please inform him not to ever attempt to contact me via wiki-email again. Theserialcomma (talk) 12:24, 31 January 2010 (UTC)
I don't remember specifically addressing John Foxe's public life. Perhaps I referred to it in response to another posting. I'll make sure I avoid this in future. Thanks for the fair reproval.
On another note, I really am shocked at the mess the Joseph Smith article has become. It is, in my opinion, a victim of some weird group dynamics. A handful of dedicated Mormon critics, an apparently "rogue" Mormon (the term Jack-Mormon comes to mind and I don't mean it in a critical way but it should be identified that an unorthodox Mormon claiming to be a representative of the LDS position can lead to some real confusion in what sensitivities should be afforded the LDS people), and then a couple of highly offended Mormons like Routerone and I (granted Routerone seems to be so offended he is overstepping Christian courtesy, er Wikilove) whose POV is often in question. My question is what can be done to flag this article, call for outside contributors, and work to save the sinking ship. I read about a dispute process and would gladly see this one investigated.
Before you jump to defend the article or its contributors please visit outside articles (i.e. Britannica) and then compare the tone and sensitivity with that of Wikipedia's. Theirs may read like a telephone directory, but I'd rather read that than the National Enquirer when I'm looking for reliable information. I assume WP is more interested in accuracy and balance than shock value in its articles.
In the interest of balance and truth,
I am the contributor known as,
Canadiandy1 (talk) 03:41, 2 February 2010 (UTC)Canadiandy
I'm off for two months researching the ghosts of mainland Southeast Asia. No wiki for me (the lengths I go to in order to pleasure Lisa). You might like to keep an eye on this article, which I've been editing it extensively and single-handed for a few weeks. I'm not finished, but I guess I never will be. I wish I could give Wiki up, but it's too much fun. PiCo (talk) 08:20, 3 February 2010 (UTC)
Of course, anything to help :) EyeSerenetalk 15:05, 3 February 2010 (UTC)
No Problemo.
I tend towards WP:BOLD sometimes. :) Simonm223 (talk) 15:50, 3 February 2010 (UTC)
I have been looking at a few of your edits and I think you should be banned from the Wikipedia, I will complain if it continues. Your comments on the Khirbet Qeiyafa inscription as nonsense. BerelZ (talk) 07:11, 5 February 2010 (UTC)
Thanks for your help with the IP address. Hopefully you wont have to hear from me about edit warring with IP's again. Thanks again! --Omi(☺) 10:52, 5 February 2010 (UTC)
The criticism section of that article is crap. Your reversions keep it crap. There are Federal laws in the US that people strongly disagree with and if they don't like them they can move to Canada, Saudi Arabia or wherever they want. The criticism section should include possible problems with the system and if there is ever a world government then there will be world laws (otherwise there really isn't a world government) and such laws can never be "escaped" from.
FYI, the UN passed a resolution against "blasphemy" - luckily for us all they are about as effective as eunuchs. I get that you seem to want a world government, but you should try not to let your political bias and/or WP:OWNership color your judgement too much.
The fact of the matter is that section is far better with the included text and there is no good reason to keep it out. TheGoodLocust (talk) 22:17, 3 February 2010 (UTC)
I have not read the article but several laws relating to blasphemy exist in the federal and state laws of Australia. Although I have never known of a person to be charged under them. BerelZ (talk) 07:11, 5 February 2010 (UTC)
<outdent> They were sourced, are common beliefs and they improved the article. [WP:IAR] my friend. TheGoodLocust (talk) 21:55, 5 February 2010 (UTC)
OK, don't worry and thank you for wlcoming, But isn't that character made from ancient goddess? So I think we should put that image in article about Tiamat, in section "Appearance" because there is a line The strictly modern depiction of Tiamat as a multi-headed dragon was popularized in the 1970s as a fixture of the Dungeons & Dragons roleplaying game inspired by earlier sources[who?] associating Tiamat with later mythological characters, such as Lotan what sugests that this goddess was a model for a character. --Mychele Trempetich (talk) 17:22, 8 February 2010 (UTC)
There is one more question - can I upload a picture of myself? But I don't know is that legall here, on wikimedia isn't.--Mychele Trempetich (talk) 17:24, 8 February 2010 (UTC)
Hi Doug, I would like to include my songs without the promotional aspect. I saw that one person said if you wanted to hear his song go to his website so I thought it would be OK to refer to cdbaby.com. If that's not OK I would like to refer to the ^ a b University of Pennsylvania Library: Freedman Collection of Recorded Jewish Music, but I couldn't figure out how to cite the reference properly. I saw that you already have that reference. Is it OK to type the lyrics or should I leave those out? Please advise. Thank you, Judithtellerman (talk) 18:47, 8 February 2010 (UTC)
Hi Doug, Thanks for responding. I tried to insert the reference to Univ. of Pa Libe: Freedman Coll of Rec Music but couldn't figure out how to do it with your format. Could you please explain? I'm very appreciative.Judithtellerman (talk) 00:43, 9 February 2010 (UTC)
Because I'm going through the SPI backlog, I blocked the user for 2 weeks due to confirmed abuse of sock policy. Only after did I notice your brief note on their talk page that you decided to not block them. It would be helpful if in future you noted the sock case to state what you did, and possibly mark it as ((SPIclose)), as it would have saved me (and other clerks and clerking admins) a lot of time. Thanks, NJA (t/c) 08:59, 9 February 2010 (UTC)
Hi. If you look at the article about Wrangel Island north of Siberia, you find this curious sentence:
"According to some US individuals, including the group State Department Watch,[21] eight Arctic islands currently controlled by Russia, including Wrangel Island, are claimed by the United States. However, according to the United States Department of State[22] no such claim exists. The USSR/USA Maritime Boundary Treaty,[23] which has yet to be approved by the Russian Duma, does not address the status of these islands."
It's true and well sourced, but does it belong? The backstory is of course that some very insistent individuals were claiming that the U.S.A. did in fact claim this island, until the U.S. State Department committed treason against the U.S.A.
I think it would be better to remove the sentence, but I'd like somebody more experienced to have a look first. It may boil down to whether or not State Department Watch is so notable that their claims merit mention. Jon kare (talk) 16:56, 10 February 2010 (UTC)
I just joined yesterday, and I'm having trouble figuring out how to create my userpage/talk page. Can you maybe give me a simple tutorial on how to blue-link it, put up userboxes, etc? Thank you. Arilicious (talk) 17:51, 10 February 2010 (UTC)
I left a note over at User talk:Aunt Entropy#New editor -- Boing! said Zebedee 11:32, 11 February 2010 (UTC)
As the protecting admin, you may wish to review the above article. 76.102.12.35 (talk) 02:44, 12 February 2010 (UTC)
You placed a ((db-a9)) tag on Nothing's How It Used To Be, requesting its deletion. However, the artist, Julian Barry, has an article on Wikipedia, although it was not linked. It might be better to check for an unlinked article before placing an A9 tag in future. Also, the article says that the single charted (admittedly, only at #109). This is, I think, enough of a claim of significance that an A9 wouldn't be appropriate, even if the artist had no Wikipedia article. Please double check when placing speedy deletion tags in future. DES (talk) 16:16, 12 February 2010 (UTC)
Hi, I want to use the wizard but it just created a blank page. Please help.Bull Market 18:40, 12 February 2010 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Bull Market (talk • contribs)
Dougweller:
Thank you for your helpful note.
Yes, I did already see the references to the additional family members and the lack of development of those articles. I fully intend to develop a series of articles related to as many of her family members that are on wiki already or are important to history. In addition, I will write about Peach Point Plantation which is an official State Historic site and where she lived, where Stephen F. Austin considered his home, and where James Perry lived, etc. I will add as much as I can to each article to weave them into each other and to new subject areas such as that first Railroad in TX and the first teacher in Texas, etc.
I started by just messing around with improving the article on Jones Creek, which is the town/location where all this happened.
Again, thanks.
-Bull MarketBull Market 21:34, 13 February 2010 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Bull Market (talk • contribs)
draw your attention to the move-warring going on at the Creation according to Genesis article... CUSH 17:02, 14 February 2010 (UTC)
Okay, I've closed the case, and it'll be archived shortly. And sorry for the delay, I was eating. :) Kindest regards, SpitfireTally-ho! 20:32, 15 February 2010 (UTC)
Why did you block me I wasnt doing anything wrong. I am fed up with the way you people assume things —Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.141.186.229 (talk) 21:45, 15 February 2010 (UTC)
Hi, Doug,
I see the article on King David has been somewhat of a battleground. (Which is rather fitting: "Now therefore the sword shall never depart from thine house..." 2Sam. 12:10)
Thanks for reverting that "Panbehchi" change, whatever that was about.
I've been checking in on this article from time to time and watching the debate about images. Seems to me the Berruguete image was the best. http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Rey_David_por_Pedro_Berruguete.JPG I'm fine with the present one (Actually, I'm fine with anything.) but feel it's misleading with that medieval crown on his head. It shows more a religious legend than an historical personage. What with David's great importance in the cultural legacy of the West and the Middle East as warrior, poet, and king, it would seem the most appropriate image would reflect what would be the most historical and thus neither favor nor insult any of the three major faiths in which he is such an important character. The current one favors medieval Roman Catholicism. And, I'm not sure the attribution is correct. I can't find any source other than Wiki and its mirrors that have Guercino sculpting anything. Best wishes, Yopienso (talk) 01:12, 15 February 2010 (UTC)
Thanks for finding the right sculptor. I've contacted the photographer to double check, since the Vatican says the sculpture is wood and this one looks like marble. I'm thinking it's correct, though. Almost at the bottom of this page: http://www.vatican.va/various/sm_maggiore/en/storia/cappella_borghese.htm The child was throwing me off, but that page says he's the Messiah. Makes sense. Yopienso (talk) 05:33, 17 February 2010 (UTC)
Theserialcomma is unhappy with Tothwolf'w departure message, and tried to remove it, possibly in violation of WP:TALK. Tothwolf reverted (next diff). I think some sort of page protection may be needed here, given that Tothwolf is retired. Pcap ping 23:02, 12 January 2010 (UTC)
Apparently these guys just cannot disengage. [33]. Pcap ping 22:02, 16 February 2010 (UTC)
The church influence dilemma is pure WP:OR garbage from people who are either envious that the historical cultural devolpemnet found within their imaginary geographic borders before conquers was a piece of crap or they are simply active dogmatic faithful activist in the atheísm religion, and it has absolutely not base other than vague assumptions. The same kind of people who would buy the evolution theory simply because of a resentment to the way they were arbitrarily brought up in their childhood and who are also guilt of the false sense of elitism found very commonly in religions. Ximenez compilated data that was written already in quiche and simply put it together by organizing it in the same language. But power is justice, no point in arguing. Stratogustav (talk) 21:57, 16 February 2010 (UTC)
Howdy. I noticed you removed the section "Judaic Ethiopia" from History of Ethiopia, as an apparent copyvio from http://www.ethiopianhistory.com/Coming_of_Judaism. I'm not sure it's actually a copyvio. However, the text in question was originally added without any sources, so your removal of it is really a non-issue. I'm not sure whether you've been following the discussion at Talk:History of Ethiopia#Ancient History Sections Need to be Rewritten, but I have mentioned your edit and my own findings at that talk page. Thanx, -- Gyrofrog (talk) 22:53, 18 February 2010 (UTC)
Hi Doug. I'm writing this to you in your official role as clerk. I have already sent an email complaint to Shell Kinney which I said she could distribute to the rest of ArbCom and the clerks. This user, formerly Noroton (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log) and multiple other accounts, seems to be using the RfAr page for harassing me and making personal attacks. His latest inference that I somehow enjoyed ChildofMidnight's sadomasochistic remarks on my talk page (see the diffs on RfAr) is simply unacceptable. It is certainly not at all what I wrote at the time, when CoM started getting out of control on my talk page. Noroton is using the RfAr page for making malicious statements about me which are not supported by diffs, as he claims. From what I can tell, he seems to be trying to bait me. I am extremely busy and very upset by his personal attacks, which in normal circumstances would result in a block. Please could you caution him as a clerk and tell that he is not free to make his own inferences on why I might have removed offensive comments from my talk page? If necessary, if he persists, he should probably be blocked. I will also post a copy of this at the clerks page. Thanks, Mathsci (talk) 03:27, 19 February 2010 (UTC)
Hi Dougweller. Ok, I will cite material when copied from other Wikipedia articles by wikilinking it in the edit summary. I've tried to learn more about copying inside Wikipedia, please help me locate the exact terms of the licences you mentioned here:
P.S:I suppose you are concerned about the Cantino map chapter changes in the Early world maps article - I thought it was obvious that it was up-to-dated from data in the Cantino map article itself, sorry. Only now noticed that there is contradicting information this and Map of Juan de la Cosa, maybe reflecting some external expert opinions on dating, that should be adressed in more detail.
Thanks--Wikitza (talk) 15:01, 19 February 2010 (UTC)
Hi Dougweller, I hope you are doing well. Just a minor heads up that there is the beginnings of some interspersed/threaded comments/replies at the ArbCom case page, Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Case/Transcendental Meditation movement/Evidence. Cheers, Cirt (talk) 17:20, 19 February 2010 (UTC)
Hi Doug, one of the participants has innocently posted in my section on the evidence page.[35] Not sure what to do. Please advise. thanks! -- — Kbob • Talk • 17:33, 19 February 2010 (UTC)
CBW asked that I comment. --Ancheta Wis (talk) 22:33, 19 February 2010 (UTC) I am especially interested in you views on Flagged Revisions. This may help the encyclopedia, from my perspective. But it appears that we have problems implementing. Any knowledge you have on improving the situation for all would be most welcome. Specifically, can you direct me to the proper venue for unearthing issues. And yes, I went through the steps in hopes of resurrecting an idea which has been moribund at the scale of the English encyclopedia, for some reason. I remember in 2006 how it was issue after issue. And yet, it can be accomplished, if the scale is right. --Ancheta Wis (talk) 22:38, 19 February 2010 (UTC)
Doug - Could you please help with a picture? I am not good at uploading pictures. Could you please replace this picture: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:AdmiralHarryHarris.jpg with this picture: http://www.c6f.navy.mil/images/Harris.jpg The second picture comes from this web page: http://www.c6f.navy.mil/harris.html The licence information would be the same. Both pictures are the work of the U.S. Government. Thanks, - Ward GroveGuy (talk) 16:59, 13 February 2010 (UTC)
I sent you an eMail via Wikipedia GroveGuy (talk) 06:40, 18 February 2010 (UTC)
I was having difficulty posting my evidence at [37]. I think it's OK now, but let me know how to straighten it out if it's not. Thank you.Hickorybark (talk) 20:42, 19 February 2010 (UTC)
Look for reversions to Ming Dynasty topics in my contributions. - Zhang He (talk) 07:45, 21 February 2010 (UTC)
That link you provided just mentioned "....on the Scottish Borders...(wait for it) Council website"! ;)
I live in Berwickshire, and have done for years, and the only time I've ever heard of "on", as in "On the Border" (singular) is actually when one's at Carter Bar, Berwick Bounds, or Gretna, on the line that's generally been the same between England and Scotland for the past 500 years or so. I certainly live in the Scottish Borders, not on them, so I have just re-reverted your edit. Brendandh (talk) 13:35, 21 February 2010 (UTC)
Further to that, I have just noticed that the pic is of Nether Hindhope which is pretty close to the Borderline, and have changed the wording and link accordingly. Brendandh (talk) 13:42, 21 February 2010 (UTC)
- Zhang He (talk) 15:30, 21 February 2010 (UTC)
- Zhang He (talk) 15:30, 21 February 2010 (UTC)
Hi Dougweller, again a TM comment, at the Workshop page Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Case/Transcendental Meditation movement/Workshop, looks like a user is commenting in the top part (the Motions and things) that might actually be an intention to add in the templated Principles/FoFs, etc? I am not sure, I will defer to you on that. :P Cirt (talk) 17:31, 21 February 2010 (UTC)
Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Case/Transcendental_Meditation_movement/Workshop#Proposals_by_Tuckerj1976 = Tucker moved his comments - but now it is unclear if they are principles, or FoFs, or what... Cirt (talk) 20:00, 21 February 2010 (UTC)
Should this [38] be moved from the talk page to the evidence page? I would think so. Thanks for all the otherwise thankless work keeping everything organized. Fladrif (talk) 00:51, 22 February 2010 (UTC)
I´d liked to invite ya for an discussion at Thamphthis, for leoboudv´s edits there are high problematic. Hope ya don´t feel taken on now. Greetings;--Nephiliskos (talk) 11:59, 22 February 2010 (UTC)
Really, some admin needs to put an end to the kind of arguments that are made to revert the articles title to "Creation according to Genesis". There is a small number of editors who seem determined to present the Genesis story as a factual account of the world's origin. What is Wikipedia's position on treating all creation myths the same? CUSH 00:23, 22 February 2010 (UTC)
It seems less then coincidental that this claim of plat forming is made after my response to supporting a move. Frankly I am concerned about Cush (talk · contribs) and his blatant uncivil behavior here. Particularly since i found this old Wikipedia:Requests for comment/Cush. I frankly find his behavior uncivil and unproductive especially an attack on me in the edit description "reply to a fundamentalist." Based on Issues brought up in the Previous RFC and the edits i have checked over he seems to have prejudice against anyone he considers "Religionist" and attacks statements they make if not the user themselves. Weaponbb7 (talk) 04:00, 22 February 2010 (UTC)
Hello there. Hopefully everything will be okay now; I've looked up quotes from the original studies and scientific reports.MXVN (talk) 23:33, 22 February 2010 (UTC)
I must admit I haven't counted the words but it would appear that Tuckerj1946 [39] and David Spector [40] are quite a bit over on their 1000 word maximum. Thanking you in advance for your attention to all these details.-- — Kbob • Talk • 22:07, 24 February 2010 (UTC)
Hi Doug, Thanks for alerting the others that are over the 1000 word limit. I was also alerted which surprised me as I had counted my words but removed some copy anyway to be compliant but now I see it was not necessary. Could you please tell me what my total wordage is at the present moment so I can see what I have left to work with? I assume you have some kind of automatic counter or something. I won't add anything until I hear back from you. Thanks so much.-- — Kbob • Talk • 11:26, 25 February 2010 (UTC)
Clerk Notice Please refactor your evidence so that it is less that 1000 words in length - at the moment it is 1500 words long. This requirement is stated twice on the evidence page. Dougweller (talk) 11:00, 25 February 2010 (UTC)
Hi Doug, How goes it? Re: Tuckerj1976 I know you have warned him twice but I believe he has added more content instead of reducing. Not very fair to the rest of us who are walking the thin white line. Anything you can do to even the score and level the playing field would be appreciated. Thanks. -- — Kbob • Talk • 01:49, 26 February 2010 (UTC)
Hi Doug, do you remember Mike and 1oz http://semperegoauditor.typepad.com/ccc/2005/02/the_true_locati.html
I don't know if this is what they ment and this certainly doesn't prove anything but it's certainly interesting stuff:
http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2010/02/photogalleries/100224-shipwreck-bronze-age-treasure-salcombe-britain-pictures/#025918_600x450.jpg ,http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2010/02/photogalleries/100224-shipwreck-bronze-age-treasure-salcombe-britain-pictures/#025919_600x450.jpg ,http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2010/02/photogalleries/100224-shipwreck-bronze-age-treasure-salcombe-britain-pictures/#025928_600x450.jpg ,http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2010/02/photogalleries/100224-shipwreck-bronze-age-treasure-salcombe-britain-pictures/#025922_600x450.jpg ,http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2010/02/photogalleries/100224-shipwreck-bronze-age-treasure-salcombe-britain-pictures/#025925_600x450.jpg ,http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2010/02/photogalleries/100224-shipwreck-bronze-age-treasure-salcombe-britain-pictures/#025917_600x450.jpg ,http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2010/02/photogalleries/100224-shipwreck-bronze-age-treasure-salcombe-britain-pictures/#025929_600x450.jpg
Cheers, --Antiphus (talk) 14:54, 27 February 2010 (UTC)
I seem to have earned the ire of editor nicked Deadtotruth] - he's issuing threats on my personal page. I find this pretty offensive. It all has to do with Genesis creation myth, a very hot-topic article at the moment. If you feel you have the strength, you might like to review the talk page/edit history and, if you feel Deadtotruth has overstepped the mark with his warning, suggest to him that he cool it. PiCo (talk) 01:48, 28 February 2010 (UTC)
Doug, I saw your post to Deadtotruth, in which you encouraged him to avoid personal attacks. Could you please take a look at an officially personalized attack? The content dispute has turned into an ANI against myself: Wikipedia:Administrators'_noticeboard/EGMichaels.EGMichaels (talk) 12:55, 28 February 2010 (UTC)
Hi Doug, thanks for looking out for Mesoamerican calendars. I would ask you to be a little lenient with possible botched edits to that page and a few other Mesoamerica related pages over the next weeks as my students will be working on them. Anyway Mesoamerican Calendars already has a lot of empty headers so one more or less I guess shouldn't be a problem for a few days while my students think of how to fill them. Best regards. A list of my students and the pages they will be editing can be found at User:Maunus/MESO1b·Maunus·ƛ· 06:47, 24 February 2010 (UTC)
Sorry Doug, but you've got this the wrong way round. RCS personally attacked me. I replied: "This is a place for discussion of the content of an encyclopedia. Please limit your contributions to that." Channelwatcher (talk) 21:37, 28 February 2010 (UTC)
PS: He/she has a record of personal attacks. Please look at his/her talk page.Channelwatcher (talk) 21:57, 28 February 2010 (UTC)
PPS: It was the second troll intervention by RCS against me on that page in the same evening.Channelwatcher (talk) 22:08, 28 February 2010 (UTC)
PPPS!! Me again, Doug. :) Look, I just found this on the Leuchter Report talk page:
Markacohen (talk) 16:23, 27 April 2009 (UTC)
Don't pose as a Jew! --RCS (talk) 16:29, 27 April 2009 (UTC)
Again, I ask you to Please stop with the personal attacks. Markacohen (talk) 16:38, 27 April 2009 (UTC)
Rather supports my contention that this person has a history of personal attacks. Channelwatcher (talk) 22:22, 28 February 2010 (UTC)
I put link on a page of Qaineit, and that link works just well. --Mychele Trempetich (talk) 10:34, 1 March 2010 (UTC) Also, I don't know why you think that my edits are false.
Herneith was buried at Saqqara, and her husband Djer was buried at Abydos. Djet was son of Djer and husband of Merneith, and father of Den. Is that hard to understand?--Mychele Trempetich (talk) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 161.53.179.232 (talk) 16:44, 1 March 2010 (UTC)
...people who would want Holocaust historiography be reevaluated , here is Mr. Controversy himself (last paragraphs). Cheers, --RCS (talk) 19:31, 1 March 2010 (UTC)
Hello, I am interested in becoming a clerk for the ArbCom. I was wondering if you could train me. Regards, Cutno (talk) 15:03, 2 March 2010 (UTC)
I deleted a somewhat spammy article by this same person about a NYC locksmith. This is, well, spammy. Someone slapped a PROD on it, but I'm going to invoke WP:BOLD and delete it. Thanks for letting me know. :) --PMDrive1061 (talk) 16:57, 2 March 2010 (UTC)
In your opinion, are the deletions by Pico Vandalism? You stated, "Secondly, this is clearly a content dispute and you should definitely call people's edits vandalism in such cases, see WP:Vandalism." I have issued Pico a vandalism warning and he proceeded to commit the same act some 5 times in less than 4 days. There are at least six editors who have requested Pico to stop - I am neither the first nor the last to ask Pico to stop. As far as a double standard, several editors have accused Pico of holding a double standard and I listed their talk in my request. However after following the lead of other editors, I ceased with this effort when the other editors asked me to stop. Unlike Pico, I do listen to the other editors and if they ask me to stop I generally do so. Thank you for your attention to this matter.Deadtotruth (talk) 03:25, 3 March 2010 (UTC)
Hey there. Regarding your edit and refusal of the suggestion of deletion for Danish colonization of the Americas :
1. The article has no sources, why is it not deleted?
2. The Norwegian possessions eventually taken by Denmark were Greenland, Faroese Islands, Iceland, Shetland.
3. There is no such thing as Danish colonization of the Americas. The Norwegians who went there, lost contact with the homelands and died out. To say the Danes had anything to do with the colonization of the Americas is flat out wrong and a distortion of the truth. This is not a POV, this is a fact that can be looked up in any history dealing with Scandinavia.
4. Further more, would you refer to the settlers of Jamestown as Anglo-Saxon or English? I suspect the latter, so why refer to Norwegian colonization of Greenland as Norse?
85.165.230.127 (talk) —Preceding undated comment added 13:41, 3 March 2010 (UTC).
Norse does not mean Norwegian. As Kirsten Seaver says:
"The broader term Norse also needs definition. Eastward expeditions across the Baltic Sea and deep into Russia were usually made by the eastern Norse— that is, primarily by Swedish and Finnish people who had no known role in the Vinland voyages and who therefore fall outside the realm of this study. Westward enterprises mostly involved people from Norway, especially western Norway, and Denmark." You're simply wrong in suggesting that people from the area we call Denmark today weren't involved in colonising Greenland. We rely upon what reliable sources have to say about the question, and they don't support your view. Who possessed Greenland when doesn't affect the question of where the people came from. Dougweller (talk) 14:56, 3 March 2010 (UTC)
Thanks for your suggestion re Mission (Christian). Someone has already reverted my deletion. We all know that every religious topic could have a negative section. My thinking is that an article should give information about the topic, not what detractors have as criticism. Can you start a new article? You are more experienced than I, and I can help in further editing? Let me know. Thank you so much. รัก-ไทย (talk) 07:54, 6 March 2010 (UTC)
Hi, I would appreciate if you could refer to the issue I raised here: Talk:Zecharia_Sitchin#Using_SitchinIsWrong.com_as_a_source Thanks! John Hyams (talk) 01:28, 7 March 2010 (UTC)
Interesting convention. I hadn't really seen this before. Like calling miles kilometers without changing the distance it describes, I think it's a bit silly but I do respect authors choice of content. Some day I may argue with you Editors over this convention but until then the saying "Where they make an edit, they call it peace!" will have to suffice. LOL and all the best. Manila Calling! (talk) 04:28, 7 March 2010 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Manila Calling! (talk • contribs) 04:19, 7 March 2010 (UTC)
Following discussion I've had a go at redrafting WP:UP which needed a good cleanup. I was amazed how much improvement is possible. Before proposing it at WP:UP I wonder if you'd like to review the cleaned up version and let me know any comments on its talk page.
I've deliberately made few or no substantive changes to allow focus on style and flow improvement.
I'll also be suggesting a rename to "Wikipedia:User pages", removing the ambiguity that "user page" normally means just the one main user page.
Thoughts welcome.
FT2 (Talk | email) 22:25, 7 March 2010 (UTC)
Dear Dougweller goodmorning from Crete, Greece. Cretan diet is not a commercial link to articles. Can i Add it again plz? thanx a lot.
Cretan Quality Agreement —Preceding unsigned comment added by Symfono gram (talk • contribs) 06:27, 8 March 2010 (UTC)
Actually, the edits I made are not personal opinion, or unverified research. When looking at history and comparing it with the Bible accounts, the writing of the Deluge myth was about 1513 BC by Moses. Saying it occurred in the time frame listed on the page would bring the flood about the same time as the books from Numbers - Ezra were written. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Speakuplanguages (talk • contribs) 16:22, 8 March 2010 (UTC)
Dear Doug,
Thank you for the welcome.
I am a complete neophyte, but have made editing changes to two articles: [48] and [49]. The edits are pretty bold stuff, but are supported by recent US and UK patents. A full discussion as it applies to Ancient Egyptian technology and Obelisks is contained in [50].
I do not want to step on any toes here, but am not sure just how the review process will go with such an outlandish (although supported by physics and civil engineering) suggestion that the Ancient Egyptians did not use many ropes and humans to transport and raise the Obelisks!
Any comments, criticisms, helps, or other would be appreciated!
Thanks,
Elsie Spry Spryem (talk) 16:56, 8 March 2010 (UTC)
You voted twice at this RfC, [51] and [52]. I took the liberty of striking your earlier vote, and merged it with your later vote [53]. Feel free to re-arrange as you think necessary. --Hammersoft (talk) 15:54, 9 March 2010 (UTC)
Dear Doug,
You have reverted my edits for the reason of not being significant. Thank you for recognizing they were done in good faith.
I truly need some help here:
Why is physics applications technology -- recognized by US and GB patents ( US6739827[54]/GB2460558 [55] -- not significant?
What credentials are needed (Dr. Spry is a PhD in Physics)?
If the ERIC article ED438175 ([56])is not significant, would the article in Journal of the Washington Academy of Science (Volume 95, Number 1, Spring 2009, page 13 ) be more appropriate?
Will it take the level of a NOVA production (they are not happy that the technology counters their already produced program -- I've tried talking with them already) or would a less nationalized production work (I'm working on a larger demonstration than physics class Duplo with local engineers)?
How was a Kite with pulleys (Mory Gharib and Maureen Clemmons) significant to Ancient Egyptian theory of doing work ? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Spryem (talk • contribs) 18:08, 8 March 2010 (UTC)
Thanks,
Elsie Spryem (talk) 17:21, 8 March 2010 (UTC)
Dear Doug,
So it is the popular extent of third party recognition -- rather than the endorsement of third party international patent awards, third party peer-reviewed journal recognition, and third party archeological findings -- that is needed to be recognized by Wikipedia? I just want to be clear on this, since I have been focusing my time just on intellectual, professional and historical confirmations. I will take your advice to create a buzz on the popular discussion boards and prime time video productions for the future.
I'm glad all my source references were to reliable sites, as defined in the Wikipedia Reliable Sources Noticeboard: US and UK Patent sites, the ERIC site, and the Journal of the Washington Academy of Science. I will also continue with further archeological confirmations and source references (such as the work of the court artist of Der El-Bahari: R. Engelbach, The Problem of The Obelisks, Pages 57 and 58 excerpted:[60]); Queen Hatshepsut's account of Obelisk work: The Obelisk of Hatshepsut Translation of the Inscription on the Base of the Obelisk of Hatshepsut [North Side][61]; and Wikipedia's own reference to a "3,000-year-old papyrus scroll where one scribe taunts another to erect a monument for 'thy lord'" ([21] NOVA (TV series) [[Secrets of Lost Empire II: Pharaoh's Obelisks][62]]).
Your suggestions for popular discussion are greatly appreciated. Unfortunately, I can't get to the blogs and boards right away, having further engineering, science journal and artifact identification projects in hand. Hopefully -- if TV coverage after the weather will do -- the alternate "Sand Motive Force" theory can be included along side the "Kite with Pulleys" and "Many Ropes and Men" conjectures already in the articles (even though the Ancient Egyptians had no pulleys, and the NOVA crew had trouble with only a 25 ton obelisk). I'll just have to work at getting beyond the present independent intellectual, professional and archeological confirmations and references to achieve the kite and rope levels of recognition.
Thank you again for the clarification of Wikipedia significance, as well as your advice for getting it!
Best Regards,
Elsie 67.20.250.26 (talk) 02:45, 9 March 2010 (UTC)
Dear Doug,
By "buzz" I did mean popular discussion, since the professional discussion of current patents, peer reviews of the science, and supporting archeology findings don't make the "significant" grade for Wikipedia. I agree, relying on popular discussion is pretty pointless -- why I have been focused on the patents, peer review and archeology finds -- until it gets "loud" or popular enough for Time or National Geographic to feature it. I am sure that was your point in recommending the discussion sites you did, and I thank you. I took your point being that was a way to get the third party interest of NOVA, and others that met your "significant" definition. At that time, I am sure the third party patents, third party science, and third party archeology would be noted. I am just too enmeshed in the civil engineering applications for today (retaining wall, trench safety and beach nourishment) to concentrate on generating a "buzz" that would get the significant recognition needed to be listed in Wikipedia for the Ancient Egyptian technology. I just thought it was curious that the Kite theory -- although it does not fit the resources or archeology of the time, and would have certainly destroyed a 500 ton (strong but brittle) obelisk with the uneven and abrupt force of the wind -- was acceptable. Again, your point on its popular recognition is well taken, and was just the sort of direction I need.
By a proto-pulley do you mean a cleat, a stationary bollard or a spool to change the direction of the rope? All I could find were discussion board references without definition. I have used both a cleat and bollard to pull in or let out a boat while either docking to tighten in, when pulling away (in high winds, or a wind release), or to control the sails by letting out or pulling in (no pulleys -- they were broken or in the deep, or both). The spool I've used for kite flying. All of these would change the direction, but not the force ratio that the Kite conjecture relied upon. Is there something else?
Thanks,
Elsie67.20.250.26 (talk) 18:13, 10 March 2010 (UTC)
Ryan Postlethwaite has notified me that my evidence is about 300 words overlength. Due to unexpected real life events I may not have an opportunity to refactor it within the next 24 hours. Durova412 22:50, 10 March 2010 (UTC)
(I wasn't sure if you preferred a new comment on an old subject to be kept with that subject or to be posted at the bottom of your page.)
I happened to notice the reversion of the change from LORD to Jehovah, and just want to mention that though in this case the editor may have been working from a JW point of view that would invalidate her/his edits, many translations of the Bible use Jehovah or Yahweh for the tetragrammeton YHWH. Here's from the WP article, "Jehovah":
The spelling used by Tyndale was "Iehouah"; at that time, I was not distinguished from J, and U was not distinguished from V.[29] The original 1611 printing of the Authorized King James Version used "Iehovah". Tyndale wrote about the divine name: "IEHOUAH [Jehovah], is God's name; neither is any creature so called; and it is as much to say as, One that is of himself, and dependeth of nothing. Moreover, as oft as thou seest LORD in great letters (except there be any error in the printing), it is in Hebrew Iehouah, Thou that art; or, He that is."[30]
The name Jehovah appeared in all early Protestant Bibles in English, except Coverdale's translation in 1535.[31] The Roman Catholic Douay-Rheims Bible used "the Lord", corresponding to the Latin Vulgate's use of "Dominus" (Latin for "Adonai", "Lord") to represent the Tetragrammaton. The Authorized King James Bible also, which used Jehovah in a few places, most frequently gave "the LORD" as the equivalent of the Tetragammaton. The name Jehovah appeared in John Rogers' Matthew Bible in 1537, the Great Bible of 1539, the Geneva Bible of 1560, Bishop's Bible of 1568 and the King James Version of 1611. More recently, it has been used in the Revised Version of 1885, the American Standard Version in 1901, and the New World Translation of the Holy Scriptures of the Jehovah's Witnesses in 1961.
At Exodus 6:3-6, where the King James Version has Jehovah, the Revised Standard Version (1952),[32] the New American Standard Bible (1971), the New International Version (1978), the New King James Version (1982), the New Revised Standard Version (1989), the New Century Version (1991), and the Contemporary English Version (1995) give "LORD" or "Lord" as their rendering of the Tetragrammaton, while the New Jerusalem Bible (1985), the Amplified Bible (1987), the New Living Translation (1996, revised 2007), the English Standard Version (2001), and the Holman Christian Standard Bible (2004) use the form Yahweh. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jehovah
You could also see this webpage: http://bible.cc/genesis/6-3.htm Yopienso (talk) 08:22, 11 March 2010 (UTC)≠
I just reverted vandalism on the Hungry Hungry Hippos page. I checked on the talk page and noticed that this vandal has been warned several times that he/she will be blocked if the vandalism continues and one of those warnings was from you. I have no idea how to block someone...how do I go about doing this or asking for it to be done? Thanks for any guidance you can offer. Miketsu (talk) 08:38, 11 March 2010 (UTC)
Take a look at his contributions (specially in Fereydun Farrokhzad and its talk page). He persists on removing sourced material from that page and the reason that he mentions in its talk page only consists of personal attacks and calling other users as propagandist and agents of political groups (for example, he calls me a member of MKO, which is a political organization with a history of terrorist activities). Alefbe (talk) 04:04, 10 March 2010 (UTC)