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Why don't you rename this article to "X (social network)"?
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Hello. Let me ask you something. Why this page does not renamed into X (social network) and it is still called Twitter? I don't understand. For whatever question that anyone has, you can ask me. Γιάννης Ευαγγελίου (talk) 18:54, 24 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Principle of using common names requires retention of "Twitter"
Aside from Elon Musk's personal fiat speaking the name of Twitter into X, there is no basis in reality for the name. The website continues to be twitter.com, that is the domain that people type to reach the site, the eponymous "tweeting" continues to be name for the action performed by using the website, the little bird badges continue to be the icon found the web-world over for the website's "share this on" widgets, and the vast majority of public usages of the "X" name seem to more often be a mocking equivocation with the fiasco of Prince trying to abandon having any name whatsoever. All things considered, the name "Twitter" continues to be the overwhelmingly most commonly used name, and therefore should be used here on Wikipedia. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2600:4040:b078:6c00:478:457b:bb4d:5885 (talk) 00:56, 26 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]
I completely disagree with the last half of this statement, the widgets have now been rebranded to X and most third party widgets have too. Rarely does mocking take place when referencing Twitter/X. The concern shouldn’t be the popularity of the rebranding nor the usage of adapted terms rather the intended marketing rebrand. There is no reason for this Wikipedia page to continue to be called Twitter. Coronaverification (talk) 09:03, 26 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]
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It is time to rename the article to X (Social media platform). Twitter has been rebranded to X for months and will contiune to identify as X Sickpanda42 (talk) 20:55, 10 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]
See the numerous discussions. The Wikipedia article Kanye West was not renamed Ye as soon as he changed his name legally. This article probably will be renamed X, but not until this is the formal name of the service, not a redirect.--♦IanMacM♦(talk to me)21:06, 10 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Yeah even though x.com exists (all links from websites’s “share” button now give you an x.com URL to share) but as long as “twitter.com exists, the utility of just copying the URL from browser’s address bar exists and thus, the band lives on and not a defunct term. Fwd079 (talk) 22:45, 11 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]
I personally think that, from a discoverability perspective, it should remain Twitter. If I search "x", what pops up is the social media account on the fabled site, then twitter.com, the Google Play Store link for the app, then the movie X until it becomes wildly diversified what pops up. If i search "twitter", it's the website, the app, news about Twitter, content about Twitter, and so on.
Most likely, the app you think of is Twitter, not X. Regardless from how good or bad of a rebrand it is, it's inconsistent. At least until the URL changes, the Wikipedia title ahould stay the same.
As well as Twitter still being the common name, you can't "deadname" a company and it's it mildly offensive to draw that comparison given how it minimises the emotional trauma of trans people. — OwenBlacker (he/him; Talk)10:19, 11 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]
It's also worth pointing out that the BBC is still "deadnaming" Twitter. As of October 2023, its news pages are still saying "Have your say on Twitter" and showing the blue bird logo.[1] Like many other websites, the BBC has not updated its design and social media buttons simply because Elon Musk renamed the service in July.--♦IanMacM♦(talk to me)10:38, 11 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]
BBB has started to refer to the platform as X now.
Oh, not this again. We've had numerous discussions in the past, all of which have ended with consensus against moving the page. This is exactly like what happened with Kanye West — wacky, controversial guy bizarrely changes a longstanding name to an ambiguous one; nobody follows suit except for themselves and their closest allies. Whenever anyone refers to Twitter/X, they always disambiguate "X" by adding formerly known as Twitter or some variation (as I did just now). InfiniteNexus (talk) 23:47, 11 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]
From a quick Google search from just the past 24 hours (emphasis added):
Fortune: Elon Musk argues that disturbing content on X, the platform formerly known as Twitter ...
NBC News: ... plans to better counter Hamas videos on X, the site formerly known as Twitter ...
Quartz: In an Oct. 10 letter to the Tesla and SpaceX tycoon who bought X (formerly Twitter) last year ...
WSJ: X, the California company formerly known as Twitter ...
Variety: ... about the Israel-Hamas war on X, formerly known as Twitter ...
BBC: On Tuesday the EU warned X, formerly known as Twitter, about ...
Rolling Stone: Elon Musk's solution to combating misinformation on X (formerly Twitter), is ...
CBS News: Social media platform X (formerly known as Twitter) said ...
The Independent: Elon Musk made one of his more subtle changes to Twitter/X ...
Mashable: ... noting the circulation of disinformation on Twitter/X and urging him ...
The Telegraph: Twitter, now rebranded as X, has been deluged ...
NYT: Since taking over X, the social network once known as Twitter, Elon Musk ...
We should really get someone to lock this. This thread is going nowhere and all the people suggesting to rename it X are seemingly not bothering to engage with the points provided by the Twitter article namers. Does anybody know how to go about that?
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I have rewritten the /FAQ and added it to the talk page's editnotice, so hopefully that will help deter people from asking the same question over and over again. InfiniteNexus (talk) 23:13, 14 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]
(edit conflict) You were just explained on your talk page that there is strong consensus against that. And it appears you completely ignored the editnotice that popped up when you edited this page. InfiniteNexus (talk) 03:51, 17 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]
First words in lead: should they say something like "X, previously Twitter" or still "Twitter, rebranding to X"?
To be clear, I'm not talking about the title. I think the title should absolutely stay put.
I'm talking about the first sentence in the lead only.
I direct your attention to this quick list of current source mentions here by InfiniteNexus under the recent discussion. These sources have a consensus of saying "X, formerly Twitter" over "Twitter, rebranding to X" as it were.
Support, the whole process is incremental and, with most media references now being formatted in the "formerly Twitter" format, the intro should reflect that. ASpacemanFalls (talk) 09:58, 19 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Weak support. Most new citations mention X first, though there will always be a huge corpus of older references to Twitter. "Twitter, rebranded to X" might be a compromise. Certes (talk) 11:32, 19 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]
The text seems to have changed whilst this discussion was in progress, including removal of terms such as "tweet" for which there is no obvious replacement in reliable sources. Are we happy with this development? Certes (talk) 22:45, 23 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]
This is now approaching edit war territory, with various mentions being changed from Twitter to X and back every few hours. We need to agree which statements should use which word, request editors not to switch back and forth while discussion is in progress, and consider protecting the article if the conflicting edits continue. I don't have a strong preference for either name, but there is obviously disagreement here and it is not serving our readers well. We should also consider removing or at least amending the outdated edit notice which dictates that Twitter is the one true name. That's still a very credible point of view, but I no longer see clear consensus for it. Certes (talk) 10:06, 25 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]
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Twitter → X (social network) – The lead section's now changed to "X, formerly Twitter" from "Twitter, rebranding to X" per community consensus. Also for multiple news sources, they now mention "X (formerly Twitter)" on a person's X posts (previously tweets). RMXY (talk • contribs) 01:26, 24 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose - perennial request. WP:COMMONNAME is clearly Twitter. Yes, it technically has fewer searches than "X" but considering a sizeable number of those are probably looking for something else (X was more commonly searched long before the rebrand, with little change in the numbers). [5]
As it stands now, Twitter more than satisfies the WP:CRITERIA. I would also support a moratorium for a few months because surely nothing drastic is going to change in the intervening time. estar8806 (talk) ★03:56, 24 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]
As a matter of fact, this is such a perennial request that it's literally the #1 FAQ at the top of the page, which explicitly says there is strong consensus against renaming.... WP:SNOW is probably appropriate here as well, which I forgot to mention above. estar8806 (talk) ★03:58, 24 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]
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Why is "X, formerly known as Twitter" seen as support for using the title Twitter?
There seems to be a general consensus that sources referring to the site as "X, formerly known as Twitter," should be considered evidence in favor of titling the article "Twitter." Why? Shouldn't it be the opposite, since they are calling the platform X and simply including "Twitter" in a note for clarification? 206.204.236.102 (talk) 16:36, 24 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Maybe the lead sentence could've said "Twitter, now known as X". However, that is really my point of view, and depends on what consensus is given. BaldiBasicsFan (talk) 04:13, 25 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]
That explains why the title is still X, which I do understand. My question is asking why the phrase "X, formerly known as Twitter," has been cited as evidence that Twitter is the more common name. 206.204.236.102 (talk) 04:48, 25 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]
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Hello my fellow Wikipedia editors. I would like to politely but sincerely raise an objection. I am a transgender individual, and I am very grateful for the support Wikipedia has shown the Transgender community and LGBTQ+ community at large with its WP:DEADNAME policy. However, I am concerned that when we call X "Twitter," we are essentially deadnaming it. This has me personally frightened because my concern is this: if a bunch of sources started primarily dead-naming a Transgender person tomorrow, and all those sources abandoned his, her, or xer preferred name, would Wikipedia then use the dead-name as the page title?
Wikipedia editors have given this matter a great deal of sympathetic thought, which is summarised in MOS:DEADNAME. We recognise that the naming of transgender people is a very different matter from referring to Twitter or X, which isn't a human and won't be damaged or offended by using its former name where appropriate. Certes (talk) 21:59, 24 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]
No where near the same thing as WP:DEADNAME, not even close. It's not a human with emotions or intellect, its a social media site. If a person wants to use particular name or pronouns at any given time, of course most respectable sources wouldn't deadname them as to not offend the individual in particular, and even if they didn't we'd still ignore them for the sake of the established rule. I mean absolutely no offense when I say this, but the very fact you even tried to compare it as such is so absurd to me that I can't even comprehend what kind of point you were trying to get across with this.--GalaxyFighter55 (talk) 01:36, 25 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Even if we take it to that extreme, our deadnaming policy does allow us to retain old names that are part of a subject's notability, which is 100% true for Twitter before being renamed for X. This is not going to go anywhere. Masem (t) 02:00, 25 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Time to split off the post-Musk features to leave this as the historical Twitter service?
Given that X is now adding voice and video calling, the feature set of what used to be Twitter is effectively long gone. I've suggested before that we should be pushing anything that had happened post-Musk acquisition to a separate article (which Twitter under Elon Musk does exist for this purpose), with this article staying at the name "Twitter" and treating the service as it was up to the acquisition, with one short section pointing to this other article Twitter under Elon Musk to describe the service post-Musk acquisition. Eventually, that article will get the X (social media) branding though as discussed above we are still at the point that Twitter is the common name.
In any case, I think we need to make this distinction now, its clear the old Twitter is not going to be coming back, and that will avoid random editors coming to try to label this as X or discussion X-only aspects that are going on. Masem (t) 23:56, 25 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Musk has said that he wants X to be an all-purpose internet service, similar to WeChat in China.[6] At the moment though, X is largely Twitter that went through a rebranding exercise. This article does have WP:SIZERULE problems, and there is scope for splitting some of it off into other articles.--♦IanMacM♦(talk to me)06:50, 26 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]
"the feature set of what used to be Twitter is effectively long gone" is certainly a stretch. X's core features—and the main reasons why people use the app—remain the same as Twitter's always has. At this point in time, Twitter and X (at least to me) don't feel like separate products. Though I will concede that my feelings are not a reliable source. Saucy[talk – contribs]09:24, 26 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]
I'm not sure X is so totally different to Twitter that it needs to be treated as a separate article. We have plenty of other articles on long-lived long-running subjects that experience drastic change throughout their lifespan. For example, Nintendo. There's not much in common between today's Nintendo and the original playing card company, but it's still the same company. Splitting out parts of the article, with this as the parent, might be reasonable though. Barnards.tar.gz (talk) 16:33, 26 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]
One possible future development is that Musk belatedly recognises the value of the Twitter brand name and makes X a parent for Twitter and his other ambitions, making X be to Twitter as Alphabet is to Google or Meta is to Facebook. That would justify separate articles. However, we're nowhere near that status yet. Certes (talk) 17:06, 26 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Using Nintendo as an example would be better if we were talking about Twitter, Inc. verses X Inc. as businesses, as there there's a history that we can describe. What's happened with Twitter as it transitions to X is that the feature set and other factors related to that (such as legal and controversial aspects) are vastly different, and trying to discuss what Twitter used to do to what X does now is far different. Masem (t) 14:02, 27 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]
No its not. Some of the features are there but now with audio/video calling, plans to make it a banking and dating app by the end of next year, and a host of very different controversies over the app, its the difference between night and day between what Twitter was and what Twitter/X is. Masem (t) 13:42, 29 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Of the things you listed, only audio/video calling affects the app directly and is in place. Plans for banking and dating might very well fall through, based on Musk's track record, and the controversies don't make it a separate entity. ASpacemanFalls (talk) 14:21, 29 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Comment BTW, We have quite similar "issue from historical perspective" for Hi5 vs Tagged but I do not think both articles have fine content and it is difficut which name is more proper (Hi5 is historically more significant but name Tagged survived longer time after integration and lost population of users, interwiki/views are very comparable). Perhaps someone could evventually create essays/proposition how changing thingd in Internet can be followed from historical/enduring/non-shortsighted perspective be followed? Dawid2009 (talk) 17:52, 30 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]
I will stress again that we should be looking at using Twitter under Elon Musk to add anything of significant since when he acquired it. For example, the recent story about Twitter now only being $19B instead of the $44B he paid for it is really an issue that should be on that other page, and there should almost be no updates to this page. --Masem (t) 02:06, 7 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]
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If you do not believe the title should be moved right now, what would need to happen to convince you? Domain name change? News coverage no longer appending
"(formerly known as Twitter)". Something else? Mach61 (talk) 22:34, 1 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]
When the majority of reliable sources use "X" to refer to the platform, forgoing any mention of its former name. Once the rest of the world decides that most people know what "X" means without having to disambiguate it with "formerly known as Twitter", Wikipedia will follow suit. InfiniteNexus (talk) 22:44, 1 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Please change "quote retweeting" to "quote tweeting"
In the lead:
please change "tweeting, retweeting and quote retweeting" --> "tweeting, retweeting and quote tweeting".
I have never heard of "quote retweeting". I am horrified by that lame name. When I read it I was dumbstruck, mortified. I was at a loss for words. I fell into a deep depression.
-.-.-.- Here, I will prove the proper name -.-.-.-
Comment: There is a better way to go about requesting changes to an article than invoking WP:DRAMA. I'm also not particularly fond of you using depression in this way. It is a two character difference in an article where it is mentioned only once.GSK (talk • edits) 19:14, 2 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Actually thanks for the defence but it wasn’t a typo, being Scottish I’ve never heard anyone in my circle use the term quote tweeting, as you are not simply tweeting but retweeting with a quote added. Coronaverification (talk) 23:23, 15 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]
If I remember correctly, the button used to be called "retweet with comment" before it was changed to "quote tweet". I've never heard of it being called "quote retweet", but it's possible that's a Scottish/international thing? InfiniteNexus (talk) 06:33, 16 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Unless its being used on the main home page of X, its hard to call that the official logo. A black X seems to be the current one. Masem (t) 13:12, 12 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]
I understand the Wikipedia commonname guidelines, but I feel the policy is applied far too egregiously here. For example, The Wikipedia page for the Xbox network is called Xbox network, despite Xbox Live still being the preferred commonname used not only by users but by professional gaming outlets. To contrast, most publications attribute the name X correctly, and only users who are unfamiliar or of opposition to the name change will still call the service Twitter. I think this needs to be reconsidered as it has the potential to be influenced by political or user bias. Coronaverification (talk) 23:22, 15 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]
The article should never be renamed, but be split in two articles, one article about the historical Twitter, and one about the far-right antisemitic conspiracy theorist website called X[7]. --Tataral (talk) 17:24, 17 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]
I touched on this below in a split proposal. To me it seems like the history "ended" on the acquisition section, and continues elsewhere. But the article still remains hideously long, nobody's reading beyond the lede unless they have to to get to where they want to go.
Renaming Twitter under Musk to X (social network) isn't the worst idea either. Realistically the entire Twitter history section could also be split to a new article leaving only a summary followed by how Twitter functions on a technological, societal basis, etc. This is another section that should only be two paragraphs as well. CommunityNotesContributor (talk) 13:50, 19 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Personally I think the Twitter under Elon Musk is fine for all post-acquisition history to go into, there's only a years worth so far, the article isn't too big yet, so it has room to expand. The main article should be shrinking rather than expanding though.
Ideally there would be a History of Twitter 2006-2022 (what's already there), leaving only two paragraphs on main article.
Then the history section would be simplified to sub-section summaries, all of which lead to main articles:
I agree on the article being split, ideally how I suggested, as I think it makes the most logical sense without changing too much. Yours I realise doesn't make any sense, as 2023 would go into both articles? If not, then it's basically as I suggested, without creating a new article simply for 2023-Present history that we already have with the Twitter under Elon Musk article, unless you mean using the Post-acquisition section from here to go there? Maybe you can clarify. I agree to any type of split that get's the job done really. Maybe somebody will come up with a better suggestion though. CommunityNotesContributor (talk) 17:44, 19 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Also I think two proposals at once could be over-complicating things, as it's seems quite simple.
1. My suggestion is to have post-acquisition as a summary, as this is how it should be as per a section with main article re: WP:SS. The only question is whether to delete it or move it to Elon Musk under Twitter, and I recommend not deleting.
2. For splitting History this needs a split template put there and new topic. Then it either get's split or not, in hindsight with acquisition, post-acquisition and X re-brand sub-sections, as that's what comes with it.
3. Re-naming Twitter under Elon Musk, completely unrelated to this talk page imo.
Regardless of whether post-acquisition section is moved to a new history page or not, it none the less should only be two paragraphs based on WP:SS. Most of it is just a duplicate of it's main article, hence why it should be a summary only. CommunityNotesContributor (talk) 17:58, 19 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]
It's a fast developing program with regular coverage
This topic only requires a short summary of CN
I've made a recent update, but otherwise held back from providing too much info. With it's own page, there could be a lot more detail included such as updates, criticisms and controversies. CommunityNotesContributor (talk) 18:37, 17 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Strongly recommend NOT splitting. Its part of Twitter and/or X, and how its implemented is also tied to controversies, both before and after Musk. Masem (t) 18:42, 17 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]
It's not like creating a new article would mean it won't be mentioned here, just that it will have a new page to expand on, while keeping a relevant summary on the Twitter page. Given that this page is too long already, I don't seen any issue with a split like this. It would be far from the only section to link out to a dedicated page. - OdinintheNorth (talk) 21:31, 17 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Based on WP:ASSESS, ideally topics are "thorough" and a "definitive source for encyclopedic information". At best the section only needs two paragraphs. The detailed origins/history, reception, criticisms, failures, updates, etc, aren't relevant to the main topic. CommunityNotesContributor (talk) 00:33, 18 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks for your input. I'll dig into those sources, those that I can access without a paywall. On a summary glance, many of these recommendations have already been used as sources, or otherwise cover similar subjects to what has already been included in the section. If you have a look at the section, you'll find it's quite detailed now with WP:RSP. I already did the usual google search for "community notes", admittedly I haven't done this for birdwatch, so there is likely more Pre-2023 articles to cover. Ideally with splitting the section to a new topic this would leave some room to expand the history of community notes. CommunityNotesContributor (talk) 22:56, 18 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks for reiterating that re: Google Scholar. I just had a look, I didn't expect there to be papers published already and some seem very insightful. I've otherwise filled in the rest of the history gaps from The Verge and restructured so believe it's ready for splitting. Will wait longer for further discussion though. CommunityNotesContributor (talk) 05:36, 19 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Untrue claims
This claim should be updated or removed, as obviously X incorporates advertising: “While Twitter displays no advertising, advertisers can target usersbased on their history of tweets and may quote tweets in ads directed specifically to the user.” Twitter displays many companies’ advertising. —2601:8C0:A83:87F0:C44:F4B2:1F7B:9329 (talk) 02:38, 18 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]
I'm proposing moving the Post-acquisition section to become first section under Twitter under Elon Musk (after lede), where relevant information can also be moved to other sections where appropriate. I realise this is probably controversial but thought I'd say it anyway:
The history effectively "ends" at the Aquisition, which appropriately only has two paragraphs and a link to the main article.
Then it "continues" despite there being another article on Twitter after Elon's takeover, which makes no sense.
All the relevant information related to Twiiter's new management is predominantly based on the other page.
It's not exactly what I was proposing, but sure, it's not a bad idea. Especially given there will never be consensus to change this article to "that name", so it's a convenient work around / compromise.. Needs proposing in the Talk over there though, as it wouldn't just be the X (social network) redirect that you'd be hijacking. CommunityNotesContributor (talk) 17:39, 19 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]
I think new topic clarifying an option A and option B, maybe even C & D as well, based on how to split post-acquisition as well as history, would make most sense here. Ideally after you clarify your proposal as well. CommunityNotesContributor (talk) 17:47, 19 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]
With a readable prose size of 115 KB, this article is too large. The Twitter of the past is also highly distinct from the "X" of the present. Should we:
Option A (Obviously leaving two or three para about the transition to under Musk). Naming of the other page still is where Twitter is more common than X, so that's good. I would also consider trying to better work the History of Twitter article into both pages, we don't need that third page. --Masem (t) 18:21, 19 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Option B. Reliable sources are using "X (formerly Twitter)" and similar. That suggests that "Twitter" and "X" are the common names for the two eras and make suitable titles if we split. However, splitting is not mandatory, and !votes for "Option 0: do nothing" are also valid. Certes (talk) 19:48, 19 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]
So an option E means that I am agreeing that the page is too large and that the Twitter of the past is highly distinct from the 'x' of the present but that I want to do nothing? Does that seems right? What if I disagree that the page is too large or that the twitter of the past is distinct from the 'x' of the present? Which option would I take then? Because I can't take A-E unless I agree with those two points. Horse Eye's Back (talk) 20:36, 19 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]
(edit conflict) This is not a poll, it is a survey. I also don't think "Option E" is necessary, as people can always !vote "None of the above". The more options presented, the harder it is to obtain a clear consensus. I've removed Option E. InfiniteNexus (talk) 20:40, 19 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Can you also explain how Option B works without having a second move discussion? We can not here on this talk page make a consensus to move a completely different page. Horse Eye's Back (talk) 20:39, 19 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]
You're gaslighting people if you're telling them that a local consensus on this page will result in another page moving without more work having to be done. Horse Eye's Back (talk) 20:49, 19 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]
On this page you can propose merging a section or the whole page with another page... You can not propose moving that other page, you would need to do that in a second discussion on that talk page after said merge. Horse Eye's Back (talk) 20:57, 19 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Yeah, it probably would be better to just have the split options without the move options, with the move discussions to happen after determining what the consensus for the split is, and performing the split. Yes, we still likely will eventually move some page to "X (social network)" or the like assuming nothing changes in the next several months, but the split can be discussed now since there is a clear reason and precedence for it. Masem (t) 20:41, 19 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]
The weird part to me is that its already split, thats where Twitter under Elon Musk comes from... So why are we just not expanding Twitter under Elon Musk and making what we have here a tighter summary? What is the point of the merges and moves? Horse Eye's Back (talk) 20:48, 19 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Which is a daughter page of this one... Meaning that Twitter under Elon Musk is already part of the ecosystem and counts as a split. You didn't answer the question though, why is either a merge or move needed? Horse Eye's Back (talk) 20:51, 19 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]
This was my initial reaction as referenced above, that there are 3 different proposals trying to be "rammed" together. One of which doesn't belong in this talk either. I understand the "convenience" of trying to do this all together, but each proposal can be (and probably should be) independent from each other, with some more controversial than others.
1. My suggestion is to have post-acquisition as a summary, as this is how it should be as per a section with main article re: WP:SS. The only question is whether to delete it or move it to Twitter under Elon Musk.
2. For splitting History to History of Twitter this needs a seperate topic, then it either get's split or not.