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They were also known at one point as "Anthems for Insubordinance". It's written on the back of one of their old CDs. Very Proud of Ya, or Answer That and Stay Fashionable.
Ultimate Guitar is not a reliable source. I've never actually heard them called Asking For It. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Marky Maz (talk • contribs) 22:32, 13 November 2008 (UTC)
There shouldn't be a question about what AFI stands for, I found an interview with Davey where he explains the Anthems for Insubordinates that was placed on the back of their CDs because he says "We had a publishing company called Anthems for Insubordinates once..." and "The Place where you write to us is Asking for it". The interview is here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZIjKw48DshY. Even if they've said something else in the past, their name is what they want it to be and officially, it's A Fire Inside. I'd say if people insist on other names being there, there should be a separate section listing past meanings of the acronyms and where the title came from. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Kylegu3 (talk • contribs) 08:44, 9 May 2009 (UTC)
The Artist still known as Mark is not a pun. It's a reference to Prince. A pun is a single word or phrase with multiple meanings. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.36.44.45 (talk) 00:08, 1 November 2008 (UTC)
lol Prince.XMakeshiftx (talk) 08:04, 17 April 2009 (UTC)
I don't agree with this label. I mean, this need to stop. Labeling every band now with the "emo" tag? And Tokio Hotel too? Panic at The Disco? Fall Out Boy? I mean come on! Please, I like emo, but this doesn't make any sense. I just want to stop this nonsense in wikipedia. Just take out the "emo" tag of bands that evidently are not emo. xwexarexbulletsx (hitmeup - the past) 08:52, 6 December 2008 (UTC)EXACTLY.
Oh, because Davey had black hair we are going to call their MUSIC emo? Oh yeah that makes perfect sense. - fixed.
AFI isn't emo. It does not originate from an emo scene. Emo has expanded into this whole stupid fad to explain anything 'goth' or 'dark', and lot of people assume that if it's any form of rock music pretty much, it's automatically an emo band. AFI is just another alternative music band. There is even an interview where they described AFI as both 'ska' and 'emo'; proving my point that no one even knows what true emo is anymore.
Just please, for the love of GOD, don't associate AFI with the mess of what everyone knows as emo. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.160.86.142 (talk) 14:53, 6 July 2010 (UTC)
NewYorkStyledCheesecakes! (talk) 20:46, 28 February 2009 (UTC)
EDIT: Nevermind. But I agree with you xwexarexbulletsx! :D And I would never call them "Emo" ;)XMakeshiftx (talk) 07:48, 17 April 2009 (UTC)
Please people, is allmusic.com a god-source?
I'm sure that the website, when categorizing various AFI albums, intended on describing the genre of the music as an intermediary, or, perhaps, a fusion of the various genres listed. I love the band, but, come on, "goth rock"? You're not going to find yourself excusing more than half of their songs as that even though the genre is definitely visible in a scattered number of their songs. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Jotsko (talk • contribs) 11:18, 23 December 2008 (UTC)
Excuse me for that. 'Dark punk' is just as thoroughly biased, but, with its connotative quality, I find that the term is a lot more open to suggestion than, say, 'goth rock' which has had a relatively strict definition. So, to attempt to only accessorize, not genre-ize, the 'dark' quality to their mid-to-later works, I put it as an addition to the generally accepted periodical musical genres. Jotsko (talk) 07:07, 26 December 2008 (UTC)
Hm, how about we use what the band calls itself? I believe that's as credible as one can get. They've definitely said they've based their work on punk, but have evolved musically into an undefinable genre. Ha, can't find the interview (lol, a pun) Read the ones under press at afireinside.com/media/default.aspx --Divya da animal lvr (talk) 01:31, 10 February 2009 (UTC)
Yes, finally someone who makes sense, haha. Thank you, Divya da animal lover. (And nice pun, lol ;))XMakeshiftx (talk) 07:53, 17 April 2009 (UTC)
AFI is not emo. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.91.78.86 (talk) 03:49, 25 May 2009 (UTC)
Hard rock? I think not. I'll change it. Hard rock is Foo Fighters or Crossfade. 208.54.40.174 (talk) 17:40, 7 July 2011 (UTC) 7/7/11
Should all music guide be listed as a source for genres? A number of people have found what it says incredibly inconsistent, and I know on other articles like the Green Day one, theres been consensus to ignore it.Hoponpop69 (talk) 03:10, 25 December 2008 (UTC)
That's Green Day, this is AFI. I go with the fact that their opinion counts for more than ours - which it does. We can't just go "Hey, i disagree, that's crap" - that's original research. Go get some guideline changed (you might find some success like the removal of genres suggestion!!!!) or just be happy that it has some sources for the genres in the first place. k-i-a-c (hitmeup - the past) 07:47, 25 December 2008 (UTC)
New album announced! this should be included, along with information about how there has been a contest to get five fans to perform with the band on the new album. Also, preceding the release of Decemberunderground, the Despair Faction participated in a massive mystery contest. Information: http://panasonicyouth.buzznet.com/user/journal/19310/ --Divya da animal lvr (talk) 01:35, 10 February 2009 (UTC)
Haha Crash Love :DXMakeshiftx (talk) 08:08, 17 April 2009 (UTC)
-waiting impatiently- --Divya da animal lvr (talk) 20:15, 21 April 2009 (UTC)
Decemberunderground is now a CERTIFIED PLATINUM album. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 90.197.124.250 (talk) 15:37, 29 April 2009 (UTC)
I cant believe this band is not under emo they are mega emo, more emo then GAyfi. i would not consider this band anything other then emo. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 61.69.12.46 (talk) 01:51, 17 February 2009 (UTC)
How about we use what AFI calls themselves? Most credible, is it not? It was once punk, but now is punk-electronic (mostly contributed to many compositions intended for electro alubum CexCells by Blaqk Audio turned into songs for Decemberunderground). Please get your facts right rather than comment angrily about your "beliefs". As I stated before: "Hm, how about we use what the band calls itself? I believe that's as credible as one can get. They've definitely said they've based their work on punk, but have evolved musically into an undefinable genre. Ha, can't find the interview (lol, a pun) Read the ones under press at afireinside.com/media/default.aspx".
And "liking men" has nothing to do with their genre (and is an insulting and prejudiced statement that should not go tolerated). Jade Puget is getting married this year (to a woman) and Davey just recently broke up with his girlfriend, because these must be the band members you are referring to as they are the more public members and you seem not to be so very familiar with the band. --Divya da animal lvr (talk) 22:56, 27 February 2009 (UTC)
Ah, I see my faults. Thanks! But punk/dark electronic should also be added, especially since Wiki itself has stated several times that the first five albums were indeed hardcore punk, not emo. --Divya da animal lvr (talk) 23:24, 5 March 2009 (UTC)
Haha, I'm pretty sure that was a troll, you guys XDD. And Upliftmofopartyplan226, I hope to God that wasn't a fan lol. EDIT: Prophaniti, Davey knows a shitton about music, no joke lol. —Preceding unsigned comment added by XMakeshiftx (talk • contribs) 07:57, 17 April 2009 (UTC)
I'd just like to add that the new album title actually hasn't been officially announced, and that the summer tour hasn't been confirmed. Hunter mentioned touring in the summer in an interview, but in a separate interview Davey said they would only tour if they had finished the new album - March, 12
The new album has certainly been announced, unless I have misunderstood the change in the website. --DMP47 (talk) 22:19, 1 June 2009 (UTC)
It's also worth noting that allmusic continues to list hardcore punk as one of their genres throughout their releases all the way up to today. It notes an increasingly wide spectrum of influences, but nevertheless, according to that source they are still playing hardcore punk. If you can provide sources that contradict it, that say "They don't still play hardcore punk", then you've got a case. Prophaniti (talk) 20:28, 15 March 2009 (UTC)
All music is an unreliable sack of shit for music genres. Here are multiple sources saying they are no longer a Hardcore punk band [1][2][3][4] Hoponpop69 (talk) 03:42, 16 March 2009 (UTC)
Yes the genre still belongs on the page but not in the intro sentence. The Beastie Boys were once a hardcore band, those songs still exist, but their intro sentence does not describe them as a hardcore punk band because like AFI they now primarily play a different genre of music.Hoponpop69 (talk) 16:28, 19 March 2009 (UTC)
Shouldn't the article begin by saying: 'AFI are a rock band' rather than a 'band' to make the intro more specific and relevant to the band. DespairDavid (talk) 16:36, 23 March 2009 (UTC)
LOL I saw the title and thought it was about the fact that there won't be an intro on Crash Love. XDXMakeshiftx (talk) 08:20, 17 April 2009 (UTC)
Former members should be updated to include Frank Vicario, who was in the band while Hunter was helping the band record Shut Your Mouth. Davey had just confirmed this information as truth on the ASK AFI board: http://despairfaction.com/showthread.php?t=128816 Does require a member login. However for those without a login, there is this interview which is mentioned in the ASK AFI thread: http://www.synthesis.net/music/interview/item-4/1997-11-01-punk_on_the_brain
Davey goes on to explain how Hunter was not an "actual" member of the band, just helping out with recording. Frank was asked to join since his band was breaking up. AFI toured with Hunter and realized they wanted to make him an official member. There are some promo pics taken with Davey, Adam, Mark and Frank; no Hunter present. If not updated, interview is an interesting read that is not all well known. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.149.252.50 (talk) 09:08, 16 April 2009 (UTC)
EDIT: Nevermind, I read your post wrong. Lol, "Aight" XDXMakeshiftx (talk) 08:13, 17 April 2009 (UTC)
Decemberundergroun is in fact now AFI's second platinum album. the main wikipage is wring- DU is a platinum album. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 90.197.124.250 (talk) 15:40, 29 April 2009 (UTC)
It say in the genre section that they're Neo-prog. I fail to see the truth or proof in this. I love Prog. and i actually admit i wish AFI were a prog bad :P but theyre not so the tag was a little confusing. the only really prog thing about them is that a couple of songs are like in 6/8 (kiss and Control) which isn't really that hard of a Time signature. That. and how their style has changed pretty dramtically since their first album. but far from Neo-prog. Fix? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 99.179.133.252 (talk) 08:14, 22 June 2009 (UTC)
First of all, the NME video that is used as a source isn't a good source at all. The videos on NME's site are randomly generated and that "Battle of the Emo bands" video is just a vlogger aiming to get views on his videos. Criticism of the video is evident on its YouTube page. And while that may not be good justification for why it should be removed surely the fact that I could go now and make a video saying AFI's country western and use it as a source like what's been done here should lay it to rest?
Secondly, that other emo source comes from a student who actually labelled the genre "emo-punk" not emo. A genre that doesn't exist. Again, it's not a very reputable source and the author of that article had his first, and last publication on the site with that article. Not to mention he can't even spell the lead singer's name correctly, it's just not a source that meets up to Wikipedia standards.
Also, this interview that Jade and Davey did expresses how they couldn't be further disassociated with emo and made note that they knew the true meaning of the term. Most likely making reference to the Washington DC bands such as Rites of Spring who were pioneers of the emo genre.
Here's the interview: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q7PXXJMb5X0
And if you're still not convinced, here's some emo. If you believe AFI falls under the same genre, by all means, argue your point.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F3A2LFXJycI
Perhaps you a person who believes that fashion determines what genre a band falls into? And that Havok may fall into the Emo genre for that super fringe, devilock evolution? *shock, gasp* he cut it off!
If you're someone who believes you can dress like a genre, surely the way that you'd see emo wouldn't be gelled hair with bleached tips and a green buttoned down shirt.
Poor sources and information that was gathered from people who wouldn't know the Beatles played next to Nickleback. I'm rectifing the error of classing this post-hardcore, punk rock and alternative rock band as emo. Jamekae (talk) 10:53, 24 June 2009 (UTC)
Thank you. Thank you so very much! AFI are not emo, have never been emo, and will never be emo. 70.162.160.186 (talk) 10:48, 26 June 2009 (UTC)
Someone keeps changing the band line-up to show that Hunter Burgan is a former member who is being replaced by Geoff Kresge. It's not true according to Hunter's twitter: http://twitter.com/TranquilMammoth
Brittanythecaptain (talk) 00:43, 26 June 2009 (UTC)
Today, it was officially revealed that Crash Love is coming out on September 29th, 2009. Sources: http://despairfaction.com/showthread.php?t=130940 (post by Theory on behalf of Davey) and http://twitter.com/TranquilMammoth/status/2522790783 (Hunter's twitter). Could someone add this to the Crash Love section? Cloudy Havoqk 70.162.160.186 (talk) 00:20, 8 July 2009 (UTC)
Also may I suggest that someone mention AFI's new album at the top of the page. It might do as it's basicaly a summary of the article. Please and thank you. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Myeliteromance (talk • contribs) 00:58, 2 September 2009 (UTC)
AFI is no longer Hardcore or Melodic Hardcore, they have not been since the early nineties. I personally think they are bordering on Emo, but since there is so much dispute can we please just add Alternative Rock? That seems like a fair compromise. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 65.78.70.20 (talk) 22:14, 30 August 2009 (UTC)
They are mostly post-hardcore and alternative rock any more. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.36.111.17 (talk) 02:31, 5 September 2009 (UTC)
The protection log for this article isn't too promising--apparently it was extensively vandalized in 2006 and 2007 and has been semiprotected ever since. However that was over two years ago and it's possible that the source or cause of the vandalism has gone away. I'd like opinions from regular editors, and I've also contacted the protecting sysop, Can't sleep, clown will eat me (talk · contribs · blocks · protections · deletions · page moves · rights · RfA).
--TS 15:50, 5 September 2009 (UTC)
Oh no. I'm not familiar with the (semi-)protection rules and all that, but the "source or cause" of the vandalism has returned -- another new album. The band members' articles, especially Davey's, get vandalized pretty much every week, it'll probably extend to this article aswell without the protection. Berrie Leigh (talk) 16:26, 25 October 2009 (UTC)
"HE WHO LAUGHS LAST" is a single by afi realeased in 1996 in their album "VERY PROUD OF YA" in the video DAVEY HAVOK is showned geting killed being betraded by his friends —Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.54.128.23 (talk) 22:20, 11 October 2009 (UTC)
Okay.Hoponpop69 (talk) 08:42, 23 October 2009 (UTC)
hey listen, i'm not an AFI fan or anything but I came across this article and i feel the headline image is just awful. It looks like it's taken from the Sims or something. If anyone has a better image, it should be replaced. - tbone (talk) 14:36, 4 March 2010 (UTC)
Allmusic has put the category "alternative/indie rock" on all of AFI's releases, but I did some browsing on music websites, and found that other than Allmusic, most sources generally only put Sing the Sorrow, Decemberunderground, and Crash Love under alternative rock. Unless someone has multiple sources that the majority of AFI's work is alternative rock, I suggest we change the intro to say that they are a "rock band". It has been done with Sum 41, Radiohead, System of a Down, and Pearl Jam (for example), because they've tried different things on different albums, and because of the wide musical influence "rock" seems to be the best consensus. AltPunkMetal (talk) 17:25, 16 August 2011 (UTC)
I added a photo I took of AFI in the studio for Black Sails. My brother worked at Art of Ears from 95 to 00. He was showing me around when we found AFI in the soundboard room. I was a fan and asked if I could take a picture. They said yes of course but just went back to what they were doing. They were busy working on mixing at the time, I think. It's a real photo that I really took, so don't take it down, please. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Afirebenside (talk • contribs) 18:00, 27 December 2011 (UTC)
AFI's main picture in the article is too far away. Nobody can tell what the members really look like. I have a photo that I took of the guys in AFI backstage at the 9:30 club in Washington DC in March 2007. I could put it up if you guys want, we can move the Live Earth photo to the DU section of the article. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Afirebenside (talk • contribs) 20:25, 27 December 2011 (UTC)
Emo=emotional hardcore.
AFI is classified as emo. At least the newer stuff. http://emorawr.com/afi — Preceding unsigned comment added by TheMetallican (talk • contribs) 01:22, 27 February 2012 (UTC)
Guys, I think we should leave genres alone. NEW AFI is more of just post-hardcore. They're NOT emo. Emo is short for emotional hardcore or emotional rock. Think of embrace, fugazi, rites of spring, sunny day real estate, hawthorne heights, the used, etc. But AFI aren't so emotional. They only are having a conclusion of being post-hardcore in their 3 or 2 newest albums. I think people only thought that because of one of the band member's hairstyles. — Preceding unsigned comment added by TheMetallican (talk • contribs)
“We have many, many influences that span the musical spectrum,” lead singer Davey Havok tells Steve Morse of The Boston Globe. “Each of us grew up on everything from punk to hard-core to dark ’80s UK stuff like the Cure, Bauhaus, Joy Division, and Sisters of Mercy. And there were rock bands like Guns N’ Roses and Metallica and industrial bands like Skinny Puppy, Ministry, Front 242 and Alien Sex Fiend. And we all love the Smiths." http://rockdirt.com/afis-long-answered-influences/7013/ — Preceding unsigned comment added by TheMetallican (talk • contribs) 01:31, 27 February 2012 (UTC)
Is it known why on Sing the Sorrow "The Leaving Song Part II" comes before "The Leaving Song"? What is the reasoning for this --124.187.132.37 (talk) 09:48, 12 June 2012 (UTC)
In some of the songs from Sing the Sorrow and Decemberunderground they display a melodic hardcore sound, screams and general hardcore punk sounds mixed with melodic singing and complicated guitar riffs. Could I safely add melodic hardcore to the genre list? RBpunk (talk) 01:40, 10 July 2012 (UTC) RBpunk
Please, I really want everyone to stop calling AFI emo. It's an insult to real long time AFI fans, and frankly, the band itself. AFI does not talk about suicide or depression, and they wore their hair like that before emo was even a thought in people minds. i really want people who say they're emo to listen to any of their old stuff. The newest albums are not hardcore yes, but they are not emo. They are more just poetic rock and melodic hardcore. Sure they got deeper and slightly darker but that's just them hanging onto their horrorpunk roots not going emo. Please Please PLEASE stop saying AFI is emo. If you comment on this I want it to be logical calm wording not just trolling cause you hate AFI RBpunk (talk) 01:04, 12 July 2012 (UTC) RBpunk
Which is the original artwork? this version or this version?--58.167.82.88 (talk) 08:12, 19 February 2013 (UTC)
The red album art is the original.JoeMIW (talk) 13:28, 12 April 2013 (UTC)
Red was more popular, but there were also silver ones for sale. They did the same thing for Crash Love, where most albums were golden, but a small percentage were black. 172.56.4.71 (talk) 03:26, 28 October 2016 (UTC)
Yes, I know we've added an extensive list of genre already, but I think that we should add a few important ones. I believe they also play New Wave, Post-Punk, and Glampunk. I think at the very least we should add in Post-Punk (or Post-Punk Revival, I don't really care it makes no difference to me). JoeMIW (talk) 13:27, 12 April 2013 (UTC)
Their first several albums were hardcore punk, and they have been credited for reviving the genre. Just search "AFI hardcore punk" on Google (without the quotation marks). Likewise, they are part of the 2000's post-hardcore movement. Yes, they have dabbled in other genres besides alternative rock, punk rock, hardcore punk and post-hardcore, but the ones I mentioned are pretty essential. Also, the sources I have removed were unreliable. There's my explanation for my genre edit. 97.83.67.162 (talk) 22:15, 26 March 2014 (UTC)
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The section of the article detailing their upcoming tenth album needs fixing. Better wording would help, but there's misinformation as well: as of today (Oct. 26) there has not been any indication from the band or their management that the group's upcoming single will be entitled "Blood". "Blood" is merely the name of a Spotify playlist the band has been using to tease their new material. The only source indicating that "Blood" is a single is punktastic, which is A. not particularly reliable by wiki standards and B. not verifiably accurate, as their assertion is based purely on its author's conjecture. 68.47.2.148 (talk) 21:39, 26 October 2016 (UTC)
Nevermind, I fixed the errors. I thought this page was still soft-locked from back when people kept writing "davey havok is gay" and all that. 68.47.2.148 (talk) 21:43, 26 October 2016 (UTC)
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It really isn't a good idea for it to just say "punk rock, alternative rock, gothic rock". Emo isn't always punk or alternative rock. Some emo is pop punk. There is pop punk that is punk, but there is pop punk that clearly isn't punk and is just pop rock with some punk elements. There is also post-hardcore that is punk and there's post-hardcore that isn't punk. It's really a good idea to just add emo and post-hardcore to the genre infobox. If all emo is punk or alternative, if all post-hardcore is punk, although we wouldn't add subgenres like hardcore punk and horror punk to the infobox, it is okay to just add 2 subgenres to the infobox. 5 genres isn't too much. My Chemical Romance have 5 genres in their infobox. If all emo is punk or alternative, if all pop punk is punk, if all post-hardcore is punk, does that mean we should change My Chemical Romance's genre infobox to simply "punk rock, alternative rock"? If we just make the infobox for AFI be "punk rock, alternative rock, gothic rock", then the genre field of the infobox isn't a good summary. It's like making Linkin Park's genre infobox be "nu metal, rap rock, alternative rock" or something like that. Adding 2 more genres is completely fine, even if they are subgenres of punk or alternative, adding 2 more genres is still fine because 5 genres isn't too much. (My Chemical Romance have 5 genres in their infobox). Statik N (talk) 01:41, 12 April 2018 (UTC)