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![]() | On 6 April 2023, it was proposed that this article be moved from Kim Jong-il to Kim Jong Il. The result of the discussion was moved. |
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Does anyone see the inherent difficulty in colloquially referring to the subject as "Kim" when the article necessarily deals with two other principals who share the family name "Kim"? rowley (talk) 02:52, 30 May 2022 (UTC)
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Юрий Ким (Russian: Yuri Kim; the recorded birth name in the article) redirects here. Please add a hatnote to handle the situation.
((redirect|Юрий Ким|other people|Yuri Kim (disambiguation)))
-- 64.229.88.43 (talk) 21:21, 7 June 2022 (UTC)
In the section Ascension to Power, subheading Initial Career, the last sentence of the second paragraph has a typo. "...indicating that Kim Il-sung bight have already planned for Jong-il to succeed him as leader." Alberto996 (talk) 21:21, 31 July 2022 (UTC)
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2001:F40:907:93AA:C980:8482:9F7B:8B0F (talk) 10:29, 11 October 2022 (UTC)
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Method | Eternal General Secretary | Eternal Chairman |
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Google search | 9,000 | 4,270 |
Google Books | 453 | 221 |
Google Scholar | 79 | 25 |
@TaerkastUA: What settings are you using for your "cursory Google searches"? Mine return greater results for Eternal General Secretary each time. Even if you search the exact phrases "Eternal General Secretary Kim" and "Eternal Chairman Kim", you still get greater results for the former. Ngrams produce nothing for Eternal Chairman [Kim].
Eternal General Secretary is the more common posthumous title for Kim Jong-il because the General Secretary of the WPK was a more prominent position than the Chairman of the NDC. Eternal Chairman has always been a secondary title, like how Chairman of the NDC was a secondary title for Kim Jong-il during his lifetime.
It's also worth noting that Google Search (i.e. just the general search engine) is a terrible measure because it includes self-published material (including social media), which often copies sites like Wikipedia without much thought. "Generalissimo Kim Jong-il" for example returns a significant number of results, but no reliable secondary sources use "Generalissimo" in this manner, nor do any official English sources from the DPRK. An editor on the English Wikipedia made the translation themselves and nobody questioned it for years, and now YouTube videos, blogs, and other social media parrot it even though it has never been reliably attributed. Yue🌙 00:12, 8 March 2023 (UTC)
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Should Jong-Il's picture in the infobox be changed to the posthumous portrait of him which was released after his death? TheSupremeMoron (talk) 13:02, 19 April 2023 (UTC)
This the claimed birth name of Kim Jong Il in Russia. Is there any evidence that was his actual birth name? BlueRobot116 (talk) 13:23, 5 June 2023 (UTC)
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Replace ((family name hatnote)), then place with ((family name footnote)) in the lead sentence. 103.119.55.216 (talk) 12:29, 24 February 2024 (UTC)
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template. I think it is better to have the visibility at the top of the article. RudolfRed (talk) 02:55, 25 February 2024 (UTC)Just realized; can he really be considered a Koryo-saram? To my understanding, Koryo-saram aren't just Soviet Koreans (of which there are also Sakhalin Koreans, who are often excluded from the Koryo-saram label), they're Koreans who were subjected to the 1937 nationalities deportations. None of the Kim family was subject to this deportation.
Is there any reliable sources calling him as such? It doesn't appear that there's any on the article itself. I may just remove altogether for now; please revert and discuss if disagree. toobigtokale (talk) 08:16, 2 April 2024 (UTC)