Bu eski munozaralarning arxividir. Bu sahifani tahrir qilmang. Yangi muhokama boshlash yoki eski mavzuni yana koʻtarish uchun hozirgi munozara sahifasini tahrir qiling.
It's WAM's honor to have you all participated in Wikipedia Asian Month 2019, the fifth edition of WAM. Your achievements were fabulous, and all the articles you created make the world can know more about Asia in different languages!
Here we, the WAM International team, would like to say thank you for your contribution also cheer for you that you are eligible for the postcard of Wikipedia Asian Month 2019.
Please kindly fill the form, let the postcard can send to you asap!
Kindly remind you that we only collect the information for WAM postcard 31/01/2019 UTC 23:59. If you haven't filled the google form, please fill it asap. If you already completed the form, please stay tun, wait for the postcard and tracking emails.
Xayrli kech, Nodir aka. Oʻzbekcha Vikipediya Bosh sahifa tepasini inglizcha Vikipediya bosh sahifa tepasidek qilsak nima deysiz? Nimagadir menga inglizcha Vikipediya bosh sahifa tepasi chiroyli koʻrinyapti... Malikxanmunozara14:54, 10-Fevral 2020 (UTC)[javob berish]
Salom! Qarshimasman, lekin hamma qutini oʻzgartirish kerak boʻladi. Enwikida qutilar toʻgʻri burchakli, bizda esa boshqacharoq. Qolaversa, ranglarni hammasini oʻzgartirib chiqish kerak boʻladi. Nataevmunozara10:58, 11-Fevral 2020 (UTC)[javob berish]
Brick Lane
Mening maqollari o'chirish emas. Yomon maqolalar ko'p. Qovun maqolada qovun o'rniga Q yozilgan. Men o'zbek tilini bilaman va o'zgarishi shaxsan yozgan. Xatolar bo'lishi mumkin ammo maqolani tamomila o'chirish uchun etarli emas. — Bu xabarni Balqovun (munozara · hissasi) yozdi, lekin imzo qo‘ymadi
Xayrli kun! Vikipediyaga xush kelibsiz! Qovun haqidagi maqolada q. Yozilgani xato emas. Bu qisqartirish. OʻzMEdan olingan maqolalarda shunday. Xato boʻlmasa-da, bot yordamida tuzatib chiqsa boʻladi. Sizning maqolangizga kelsak, gʻirt xato, manba keltirilmagan, chala oʻzbek tilida yozilgan maqolalar oʻchiriladi. Qoida va koʻrsatmalar bilan tanishib chiqing. Yana bir narsa, munozara sahifalarida imzo cheking. Biror narsa tushunarsiz boʻlsa, bemalol soʻrang. Nataevmunozara10:48, 13-Fevral 2020 (UTC)[javob berish]
User group
Salom. Siz yodingizda boʻlsa, bir paytlar ITPRO.UZ nomli foydalanuvchi user group ochganligini va bir umrga bloklanganligini aytgan edingiz. Ushbu foydalanuvchi nima uchun bloklanganligini bilasizmi? User group ochish boʻyicha oʻylab koʻrish kerak ekan. Balkim user group ochib, oʻzbekcha Vikipediyani yaxshi targʻib qilib, faol foydalanuvchilar sonini keskin oshirarmiz. Malikxanmunozara18:01, 13-Fevral 2020 (UTC)[javob berish]
ITRO.UZ guruh aʻzosi boʻlgan. Guruhni Ochilov (kyinchalik Lingveno boʻlib oʻzgargan) ochgan, oʻsha bola bloklangan. Pul evaziga tahrir qilgani uchun. Oʻzbekistonda guruh tuzish mumkin. Guruh tuzish shartlari bilan tanishib chiqdim. Qirgʻizistonda boʻlganim uchun Oʻzbekistonda guruh ochish jarayonida faol qatnasha olmayman. Balki ramziy aʼzosi boʻlaman. Oʻtgan safardagidaqa laja boʻlmasligi uchun, 5-6 ta jiddiy foydalanuvchi topish kerak. Guruh — jiddiy tashabbus, unga jiddiy yondashish kerak. Nataevmunozara04:08, 14-Fevral 2020 (UTC)[javob berish]
WAM 2019 Postcard: All postcards are postponed due to the postal system shut down
Wikipedia Asian Month 2019
Dear all participants and organizers,
Since the outbreak of COVID-19, all the postcards are postponed due to the shut down of the postal system all over the world. Hope all the postcards can arrive as soon as the postal system return and please take good care.
Hurmatli, Nataev. Sizning 11 yil davomida Vikipediya Ensiklopediyasiga qo'shib kelayotgan hissangizni huramat qilaman va bu borada yangi foydalanuvchi sifatida o'z hissamni qo'sha boshladim. Qo'shgan hissamni o'chirganingiz sababini yanada aniqroq izohlab o'tsangiz. Balki bu sizga qiziq emasdur xolos?) sizningcha qaysi mavzular dolzarb? Keling unda SIZGA qiziq bo'lgan sahifalardan boshlay qolay?) — Bu xabarniKhalillaeva (munozara · hissasi) yozdi, lekin imzo qo‘ymadi
Hurmatli, Nataev) Ensiklopedik ahamiyat va enwikida qoidalari bilan tanishib chiqqanman, hamda WP: DP bilan ham tanishib chiqqandim, ularga ko’ra agar matnim boshqa manbalardan o’g’irlanmagan bo’lsa, unbiased (ingliz tilini bilasiz shaxsiy sahifangizdagi ma’lumotlarga qaraganda) manbalar ko’rsatilgan bo’lsa, matn juda qisqa va chala bo’lmasa, matnda xatoliklar, yolg’on, bo’xton bo’lmasa uni o’chirishdan oldin menimcha kamida bir hafta ichida muhokama etmoq darkor. Undan tashqari siz belgilagan Ensiklopedik ahamiyat sahifasida aytilishicha “ Unga amal qilish tavsiya etiladi, lekin u — aqida emas; idrok bilan ish tuting.” deya ta’kidlangan. Shuningdek, sahifani o’chirish muhokamasidan agar men Men yaratgan sahifa reklama emasligini va bu inson bugun yoshlar (mening tengqurlarim ya’ni 1992-2004 yillarda tavallud topganlar) qiziqishidan kelib chiqib kiritilganiligini rasman tan olsam siz Hurmatli Administrator sifatida o’chirish fikridan qaytishingiz va sahifaga imkon berishingiz lozim. Masalan siz yaratgan sahifalarga kelsak: Alisher Uzoqov haqidagi sahifa 2012 yil yaratila boshlangan bo’lib, u aktyor o’z faoliyatini 2009-yilda boshlagan deya ta’kidlab o’tgansiz (ya’ni 3 yil holos) Shunga ko’ra men yaratgan sahifa qaxramoni Massa reperning faoliyatiga 2 yil bo’layozdi (2018-2020) va bugungi kun o’zbek yoshlari orasida u mashxur (sizning Wikidagi faoliyatingizga e’tibor qaratsak, menimcha yoshingiz ancha katta, Hurmatli Nodir aka) shunga men u inson faoliyatini yorita olaman deb o’ylagandim, sizdek Wiki olamida katta tajribaga ega Foydalanuvchidan o’rnak olgan holda. Siz ko’rsatgan Wikipedia qoidalariga tayansak, menimcha sahifam o’rinli. Muammo menimcha men qoidalarni bilmasligimda emas, balki bu sahifa shunchaki sizga yoqmaganligidadir WP: POV (asosan qirg’iz millatiga mansub insonlar va faqat o’zingizga yoqqanlar xaqida yozishingizni hisobga olsak bu Wiktionary:Neutral point of view ga zid), chunki sizdek aqli raso inson ijodkorni otarchi deya xaqoratlashgacha bormagan bo’lardi fikrimcha. Shu o’rinda eslatib o’tishni lozim topmoqchiman, siz admin sifatida yangi foydalanuvchilarga yordam berish, imkon yaratish, tushuntirish ishlari olib borib ko’maklashishingiz kerak deb o’ylagandim. Keling mening mehnatimga imkon beraylik, gentlemenligingizni hisobga olsak, ayol kishiga yordam qo’lini cho’zish sizga yarashadi deb o’ylayman. P.S. Imzo qo’yishni unutganim uchun uzr, shuni o’rgatganingizga raxmat Khalillaeva (munozara) 11:06, 22-Aprel 2020 (UTC)[javob berish]
Copyright violation boshqa, notability boshqa; neutrality boshqa, notability boshqa; (ingliz tilini bilishimga shubha qilayotgan boʻlsangiz, enwikidagi maqolalarimni koʻring);
Tezda oʻchirish mezonlari bor, yaʼni har doim ham maqolani oʻchirish-oʻchirmaslik toʻgʻrisida muhokama boʻlishi shart emas;
Viki qoidalarga bagʻishlangan sahifalarimiz chala va ularni toʻliqlash faqat mening zimmamda emas; qoida chala boʻlgan paytda enwikiga yoki ruwikiga tayanamiz;
„Yoshlarni qiziqtirgan mavzu“, „falonchi ijodkor bir asrdan beri ijod qiladi“ va boshqa shunga oʻxshash bachkana argumentlar ensiklopedik ahamiyat uchun asos boʻla olmaydi;
Siz davlat rasmiysi emas, qiziqshlaringizni „rasman“ tan olishingiz shart emas;
Meni yoshim bilan ishingiz boʻlmasin;
Qirgʻiz millatiga mansub shaxslar haqida yozamanmi, papuaslar haqida yozamanmi, meni ishim; qolaversa, NPOV boshqa, qiziqtirgan mavzu boshqa;
Mavzu menga yoqadimi, yoqmaydimi — buning maqolalarni patrol qilishga umuman aloqasi yoʻq; masalan, menga sarimsoq umuman yoqmaydi, lekin maqola bor bu mavzuda;
Nihoyat, sahifangizda katta qilib PR agentman, deb yozibsiz. Oʻsha otarchi sizga pul bergani haqida shubha tugʻiladi. Bu esa manfaatlar ziddiyatini keltirib chiqardi. Ehtiyot boʻling, paid editing qilganlar kimdan qanday haq olayotganini ochiqlamasa, bloklanishi mumkin; (sizga Instagramda yulduzcha olish uchun maqola yaratishni soʻranganini taxmin qilish mumkin.)
Gentlemanlik boshqa, qoidalarga amal qilish boshqa.
Copyright violation, notability va neutrality nimaligini yaxshi bilaman va qoidalar bilan tanishdim degan gapni menimcha o'qimadingizmi? ("ingliz tilini bilasiz" gapida shubhani qanday ko'rdingiz hayronman, bu darak gap)
Juda hunik so'zlar ishlatishingiz, avvalo otarchi, so'ngra bachkana argument...bu menga nisbatan (kuzatishimcha nafaqat menga) o'z adminik "martabangizni" suiste'mol qilayotganingizdan darakmasmikin? Buni WP:ADMINABUSE deyishardi, shunaqami?
Undan tashqari Tezda oʻchirish mezonlari bo'yicha chempion ekanligingizni ko'rdim, ularning aksariyati siz aytgandek "bachkana argumentlar" bilan izohlangan: "kirilcha yozma", "betaraf yoz"...
Viki qoidalariga siz ma'sul emassiz, e'tirozim yo'q, qaysi manbaga tayanishni juda yaxshi bilaman, raxmat.
Men o'zimni Davlat rasmiysi deya tanishtirmadim shekilli? Sizchi? Siz ham tushunishimcha Davlat rasmiysi emassiz va men qaltis qoidabuzarliklar qilganim yo'q.
Yoshingiz nechchidaligini so'ramadim. Ishim ham yo'q! Menga desa 150 yosh bo'lmaysizmi, bu sizga nisbatan hurmat va hozirgi zamon ijodkorlaridan boxabarmassizdur degan ma'no yotgan edi u gapning negizida.
Millatchi emasman, shunchaki faktni aytganim sizga yoqmadi chog'i.
PR agentlik a'zosi degani bu PRchi degani emas (ma'lumot tariqasida ushbu agentlik insonlarni "raskrutkasi" bilan shug'ullanmaydi, havola tugmachasini bosib, kirib tanishing), men u yerda tarjimon sifatida faoliyat yuritaman xolos, va bu shunchki ma'lumot tariqasida yozilgan, o'zim haqimda nima yozish yozmaslik bilan sizning ham ishingiz bo'lmasin!) Yoki PR agentlik a'zolari sizningcha insofini yegan va Vikipediyaga shunchaki o'z hissasini qo'sha olmaydimi? Yoki bunday huquqga ega emasmi, marhamat qilib isbotlang.
Bunga kelsak tuhmat qilishga uyalmaysizmi? Qaysi davlatda istiqomat qilasiz va qay yerning qonunlariga bo'y sinasiz bilmadim, ammo bu Oʻzbekiston Respublikasining JK, 139-modda, 1-qism bo'yicha jinoyat (Vengiya JK ning 179 va 180chi moddalari). Undan tashqari pul olganligimni marhamat qilib isbotlab bering. Fikrimcha, odam o'ziga qarab xulosa qiladi shekilli.Yana bir bora aytib o'taman mutlaq betaraf inson sifatida yaratganman ushbu sahifani.
Gentlemenlik va qoidabuzarlikka kelsak, men sizga qoidalarni buzishimga yordam bering deganim yo'q, aksincha... o'zingiz ham mutlaq bir biriga aloqasi yo'q narsalarni adashtirmang.)
Oʻ va Gʻ harflariga kelsak bu inson faktori bilan bog'liq bo'lib, rus tilida опечатка deyiladi, siz "imzo chekishni uTutmang" deganingizga men buni tushungandim)
Yuklagan rasmimga "mualliflik huquqlari buzilyapti" deb isoh beribsiz, men u suratni yuklayotganimda ushbu fayl ommaga ochiqligini ta'kidlab o'tganman.
Muxtasar qilsam, sahifa kim yoki nima xaqida bo'lishidan qat'iy nazar, men uchun uni himoya qilish principial darajaga aylandi chunki sizning izohlaringiz asossiz, mening nazdimda. Men sizning Vikidagi mavqeingiz va mehnatingizni hurmat qilaman, sizdan ham mening mehnatim va vaqtimni hurmat qilishni talab qilaman, hamda siz o'ylagandek bunday jirkanch ishga aloqam yo'qligini va siz aytgan "otarchilarning" ikki so'miga muhtojligim yo'qligini ta'kidlashim joiz. Men o'zimga juda to'q oiladanman, Alhamdulillah, havotir olmang))) Khalillaeva (munozara) 17:03, 22-Aprel 2020 (UTC)[javob berish]
Khalillaeva, buni ogohlantirish oʻlaroq qabul qiling. Hech bir oʻzgarishsiz, nufuzli manba koʻrsatmasdan maqolani qayta yaratsangiz, bloklanasiz. Yuqoridagi ezma gaplaringizga esa javob berib oʻtirmayman. TL;DR. Lekin mualliflik huquqlariga toʻxtatlib oʻtaman. Mavzuni oʻrganib chiqmasdan mahmadonalik qilayotganingiz ayon. Siz koʻrsatgan saytda surat CC litsenziya boʻyicha eʼlon qilingani yoki public domainda ekanligi koʻrsatilmagan. Aksincha, mualliflik huquqlarini himoya qilish bilan shugʻullanuvchi shirkat sayti bu! Fayl Vikiombordan oʻchirilishini kuting. Oʻzingiz esa umrbod bloklanishingiz mumkin u yerda. Vikipediya — ensiklopediya, soap opera emas. Sizning „prinsiplaringiz“ va nimanidir „himoya“ qilishni istashingiz hech kimni qiziqtirmaydi. Mehnatingizga kelsak, hurmat qiladigan hech nima koʻrmayapman. Roʻyxatdan oʻtishingiz bilanoq faqat bitta otarchi haqida maqola yaratishga tushdingiz. Paid editinig qilmayotganingizni iddao qildingiz, demak buning aksi haqida xulosa qilinsa, cheksiz muddatga bloklanishingiz mumkin. (Oʻziga toʻq oiladan ekanligingiz esa, rost boʻlgan taqdirda ham, hech kimni qiziqtirmaydi.) P. S. Oʻzbekiston hukumatining, qonun-qoidalarining Vikipediyaga aloqasi yoʻq. Keyin, opechatka boshqa, biror harfni har safar notoʻgʻri yozish boshqa. Sahifangizda „men undoqman, men bundoqman“ deb maqtanibsiz-u, lekin ona tilingizda yozishni bilmas ekansiz. Qarang: Okina. Hunik vs. xunuk, suisteʼmol vs. suiisteʼmol, kirilcha vs. kirillcha, maʼsul vs. masʼul, raxmat vs. rahmat, boxabarmassizdur v.s. boxabarmasdirsiz, huquqga vs. huquqqa, xaqida vs. haqida va hokazolarni esa aytmasa ham boʻladi. Tarjimonman, deng? Shaxsan men sizning tarjima xizmatlaringizdan bepul foydalanmagan boʻlardim. Nataevmunozara03:43, 23-Aprel 2020 (UTC)[javob berish]
Gapdan qomas akansiz) man ayol bo’lib, nuqta qo’yaman mayli... Maydalashish va ezmalanishni o’zingiz boshladingiz) hissamni nimadan boshlab qo’shishmni o’zim hal qilaman, va hissalarim bu inson yoki boshqa narsa bilan cheklanmaydi. siz Vikipediya avliyosi emassiz. Avliyo bo’lsangiz block o’rniga xatolarimni to’g’irlashga qarashishdan boshlardingiz, o’zbek tilining Grammar Gurusi bo’lsangiz har xolda. Vikipediya bilan qonunning aloqasi yo’q to’g’ri, ammo siz menga jismoniy shaxs sifatida tuhmat qilayapsiz. Mana endi esa blocklanasiz deya dahdid qilmoqdasiz. Faylga kelsak source ko’rsatilgan, u fayl shaxsan meniki deganim yo’q. Paid editing xaqida siz gap boshladingiz, meni unaqa narsalardan xabarim ham yo’q edi😂😂 Tarjimonlikka kelsak, siz kabilarga xizmat ko’rsatmasdim ham) Sizga sabr, men hissalarimni qo’shishdan to’xtash niyatim yo’q, bu bo’lmasa boshqa mavzular ko’p. P.S. xatolarimni tan olaman, xatolarim ustida ishlayman, “beayb” faqat Siz akansiz bu dunyoda), bildik Khalillaeva (munozara) 08:08, 23-Aprel 2020 (UTC)[javob berish]
Khalillaeva, vikida foydalanuvchilarning ayol, erkak, yosh yoki qari ekanligiga qarab oʻtirmaymiz. "siz Vikipediya avliyosi emassiz. Avliyo bo’lsangiz block o’rniga xatolarimni to’g’irlashga qarashishdan boshlardingiz" gapingizda adashmasam sizga ogohlantirish berildi, balki bir necha bor. Ogohlantirishlarga qaramay yana oʻsha maqolani yaratishni davom etsangiz bloklanasiz. Maqolangizni saqlab qolish uchun esa yetarlicha nufuzli manba koʻrsating. Paid editinig qilmayotganingizga kelsak, bunga shubham bor. Malikxanmunozara08:32, 23-Aprel 2020 (UTC)[javob berish]
Khalillaeva, qaytalayman, bilib-bilmay dovdiramang. Fayl manbasini koʻrsatish fayl erkin litsenziyali, degani emas. Aks holda barcha copyright bilan himoyalangan kontentni „mana manbasi, koʻringlar“, deb yuklash mumkin boʻlgan boʻlardi. Update: Massareper.jpg Vikiombordan juvonmarg boʻldi. Nataevmunozara08:57, 23-Aprel 2020 (UTC)[javob berish]
Two alphabets
Good day, Nataev! I am from Tatar Wikipedia. I am interested in elaborating two alphabets in Wikipedia. I have wrote in English Wikipedia about wonderful advantage of your wiki. Would you be so kind as to share some link, (if there is) where I can read about it or take any information.
Good day, Фәрһад! You can see some info on our converter on Phabricator. I don't know much about the technical details. I just helped create a list of corresponding characters, and SPQRobin took care of the rest. You might also find some information about script converters on meta. I hope this helps! Nataevmunozara05:55, 16-May 2020 (UTC)[javob berish]
Because of the COVID19 pandemic, there are a lot of countries’ international postal systems not reopened yet. We would like to send all the participants digital postcards and digital certifications for organizers to your email account in the upcoming weeks. For the paper ones, we will track the latest status of the international postal systems of all the countries and hope the postcards and certifications can be delivered to your mailboxes as soon as possible.
Assalom-u aleykum. Kuni kecha qo‘shilgan Ulug‘bek Ismatov sahifasi bo‘yicha savol so‘ramoqchi edim. Yangi qo‘shilgan sahifa ya’ni Ulug‘bek Ismatov, Reklama: ensiklopedik ahamiyatga ega emas deb sahifa o‘chirib yuborilgan edi. Shu bo‘yicha ma’lumot bilmoqchi edim, nima uchun aynan bunday deyilgani haqida. — Bu xabarniMirshohidIsmatov (munozara · hissasi) yozdi, lekin imzo qo‘ymadi
I just noticed your speedy deletion category has over 600 pages waiting for deletion. I would like to ask you to process this category, delete pages that should be deleted, and removing the deletion nomination from all pages that should not be deleted.
In case you need any guidance or help, feel free to contact me at my talk page - I am happy to help.
This message is delivered to you, because you are currently a uz.wikipedia administrator.
Xabar Google Translate orqali o'zbek tiliga tarjima qilindi
Salom,
Men shunchaki sizning tez o'chirish kategoriyasi 600 ta sahifani o'chirishni kutayotganligini payqadim. Sizdan ushbu toifani qayta ishlashingizni, o'chirilishi kerak bo'lgan sahifalarni o'chirishni va o'chirilishi kerak bo'lmagan sahifalarni o'chirishni so'rashingizni so'rayman.
Agar biron-bir qo'llanma yoki yordamga muhtoj bo'lsangiz, munozara sahifamda men bilan bog'laning - yordam berishdan mamnunman.
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Hope you all have fun in Wikipedia Asian Month 2020
You might like this a lot - I've finally clipped a lot of obituaries from the Sovet Oʻzbekistoni archives. Think they should be incorporated to all uzwiki biography articles (for those that have one) via external links? Although I'm not sure if the label for the link should be "Ta'ziyanoma" or a loanword like "Nekrolog".
On a completely different topic - apparently, there's now a petition (albeit in Russian) circulating requesting rehabilitation of Hamza Hakimzade Niyazi, the return of the Nurkhon statue, and recognition of people who assisted the Hujum as heroes. It seems to only be republished in niche circles, but to positive reception nevertheless. Thought I saw someone even suggesting that the three (Niyazi, Yuldasheva, and Saidazimova) be posthumously awarded the title "Hero of Uzbekistan". Either way, make one wonder if/how much Wikipedia had anything to do with that petition starting. Previously there was very little mention of their names in recent publications, but after their articles were translated, the iconic photo of the Nurkhon statue became widely circulated. Hopefully that can help find out more about the mysterious sculptor of the statue (Valentin Klebanov) one day as well. Anyway, what's your take on this? I look forward to hearing your response.--PlanespotterA320 (munozara) 23:27, 3-Dekabr 2020 (UTC)[javob berish]
Hi! Great job! And thank you for sharing! I'm really looking forward to using this resource. And yes, we'll definitely leave links to these obituaries in bio articles. (Looks great, doesn't it?) As for the petition, I didn't know about it. Great initiative! I'm happy to hear people are trying to rehabilitate them. (Although growing Islamic radicalism in Uzbekistan has me worried.) Speaking of the Nurkhon statue, I think we've discussed it before, but it's no longer there, right? I think we should create a wiki entry on it. Nataevmunozara16:08, 4-Dekabr 2020 (UTC)[javob berish]
Sorry for the long winded response here - I love the idea for creating a Wikipedia article on the statue - it certainly would help prevent it from being forgotten, which is likely to happen given the fact that there's only one photo of it online. I've tried to research the statue quite a bit, but the information is relatively scant. It seems to have been made by sculptor Valentin Kelbanov in 1967 (some sources say 1968, but considering the only photo of it is dated as being from 1967 by TASS and was published in January 1968 in a small US newspaper, it seems that 1967 is the more likely year. Lancaster Eagle-Gazette 22 January 1968). The only source for the first name of the sculptor being Valentin was this now-dead (and unarchived) webpage about sculptors in Uzbekistan - however, OʻzME said it was by "V. Klebanov", so it's safe to say it's by Valentin Klebanov (as opposed to someone else), but unfortunately, I can't find ANY information about Klebanov or even what other works they did. Weirdly, I was able to find out that the one photo of the statue was not actually by Otto Bettman as getty images incorrectly indicates (considering there are no sources saying he went to Margilon), but rather it was taken by G. Boiko, a TASS photographer based in the Uzbek SSR, many of which made it into the Sovet Uzbekistoni newspaper (him being author makes a lot more sense). Either way, it seems like the only public photo of the statue is gonna be an "orphaned work" for a while despite well-known publication dates. Sadly it's very hard to find information about sculptors and photocorrespondents in the UzSSR, but that's another story. So far I have yet to find any mentions of the debut of the statue/exact date it was put up using the Sovet Uzbekistoni archive, but I did find this article from 1986 with some additional details that could be added to her article and used as source in her wiki articles.
As for the fate of the statue - yes, it was taken down, in 1993. As for the other people mentioned in the petition - it seems that a lot of the statues to Hamza have been taken down too, and info is also scant. But I did discover one was made by the famous sculptor Nikos Theodorisis (Феодоридис Никос Эврепидис; 1924 – 1992).
Anyway, I hope that the petition for rehabilitation is accepted. I've heard that the government is a bit more tolerant of petitions lately, so at least that might mean chances are better now. They certainly deserve to be rehabilitated, especially in light of the efforts made by the hardcore Islamists to damnatio memoriae them (which is best countered by a "not-one-step-back" approach, not compromises or assiting their agenda of damnatio memoriae for secular heroes). I do wish that Tojihon Shodieva was on the rehabilitation list though - even though she survived (and her role in the Hujum is minimized/forgotten because of her time in the gulag, not death), she was no doubt just as courageous as the rest, if not more, since she began fighting the seclusion and took off her veil in the 1910's!
(P.S. Since there is only 1 photo of the Nurkhon statue and few of the Hamza statue, maybe instead of attempting re-creations without having the exact specs of the statues, maybe the government could do a whole new design, featuring all three in one monument in the style of this monument to Moldagulova, Mametova, and Dospanova in Kazakhstan? It's quite an iconic and powerful monument - all three glorified together, no one above the other, representing the equality of sacrifice, overlooking the future, etc)
Hi again! Sorry for the late reply. I've been extremely busy lately. I've spent spent the little free time I had on creating articles on books, as we've designated December 2020 as Wikipedia Book Month. I'm planning to create an entry on the statue hopefully in the new year. You've already dug up a lot of info on it, which is much appreciated. Merry Christmas and Happy New Year to you and your family! Nataevmunozara04:04, 31-Dekabr 2020 (UTC)[javob berish]
Happy New Year
Salom, Nataev! Sizni kirib kelayotgan 2021-yil bilan tabriklayman! Kelayotgan yil ham Vikipediyada bugungidek faol boʻlishingizni tilab qolaman! Yana bir bor, sizga va oilangizga yangi yil muborak boʻlsin! :) Malikxanmunozara10:42, 31-Dekabr 2020 (UTC)[javob berish]
Bu eski munozaralarning arxividir. Bu sahifani tahrir qilmang. Yangi muhokama boshlash yoki eski mavzuni yana koʻtarish uchun hozirgi munozara sahifasini tahrir qiling.