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Closed as successful Well, even thought that a Steward and other regulars have some worries with importing from files, there seems to be the trust in you and consensus at all to grant you that flag. Please take care with the tool and don't mess things up. Best -Barras ^talk 12:30, 9 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Razorflame (talk · contribs)

End date: Not before 00:19, February 9, 2010

Hello there. I would like to get the importer right so that I can import pages that are needed from the English Wikipedia to keep attribution alive here. In order to request it at meta, I need to gain concensus for it here first. I've had the right in the past, but had it removed because of my extended inactivity. Now that I plan on editing here more, I feel like I can really use it appropriately to benefit the Simple English Wikipedia.

Please discuss it here. Thanks, Razorflame 06:19, 2 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Prepare for the inevitable "we have admins who can do that" and "we don't give out importer permission"; but I have no problem with you having the right. Lauryn Ashby (d) 06:22, 2 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Personally, we have the right enabled on the Simple English Wikipedia for non-administrators, and importers can actually do things that administrators can't, like import pages from a file and other things, so it would be to our benefit to have a few people with the Importer right here. Razorflame 06:26, 2 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Fair enough. I trust you and think that it would benefit you, and subsequently us. So, no objections. Lauryn Ashby (d) 06:28, 2 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Import is an obselete user right, imo. Admins can handle import requests. However I also trust you enough for the bit. —§ stay (sic)! 06:33, 2 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]

It isn't entirely obsolete. As I just said, only importers can import from a file. Administrators can't. Razorflame 12:01, 2 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]

You don't intend to use it for that purpose, from what I understand from your request. Pmlineditor ∞ 12:03, 2 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Well, to tell you the truth, that is correct, however, that does not mean that I will not use it in the future. There are still a bunch of the list of asteroids that needs importing, and that is done by file, so yeah, I will, most likely use the import from file feature, as well as the other features. Razorflame 13:30, 2 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]

I don't trust you to not make mistake using the tool. You have done so with numerous other tools you have been given in the past, and when people mention the mistake to you, you do politely say ok i will fix it but then you proceed to continue making the mistake. Import can mess things up pretty royally if you make a mistake. And once its done its done and not easy to fix. -DJSasso (talk) 15:01, 2 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]

I understand that import can mess things up very badly if misused, and I definitely will not misuse it. I use the import tool with much more care than anything else because of the potential it can cause for major chaos. I only transwiki the pages needed at hand, and never more than that. I know that people make mistakes, but surely, which my voluntary resignation of the importer tool, and my spotless import log, you could trust me to use it correctly? Razorflame 15:04, 2 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]

@DJSasso - Import is not a big thing like admin or cratship. While I know that Razor had made several mistakes in the past and a turbulent history of regarding tools at SEWKT, I believe that he won't mess things up. @Razorflame - Do you really have an important need the import tool? Having a very long list of individual articles for asteriods is not what simplewp needs right now. —§ stay (sic)! 18:31, 2 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Slipknot, I don't intend to use it for individual asteroid articles, but rather, the big list that they have on the English Wikipedia :) Razorflame 21:31, 2 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]

It depends on how you look at it. Importing an article that shouldn't be imported injects all of its revisions into the revisions already on this wiki making it look like the article here was made up by people from both sites. While this is sometimes appropriate, if it is indeed not appropriate and he has added the revision incorrectly, it cannot easily be removed. Each individual edit has to be deleted that was imported. This is not something that you can actually just look at and see that it was an imported edit. You have to take alot of time to figure out each edit, and can you imagine if its an article with hundreds of edits? Being that he is not an admin he would also not be able to undo his own mistakes in this case thus meaning the work would fall to an admin to clean it up. That combined with the fact I can't see any need for it leads me to oppose it. -DJSasso (talk) 18:45, 2 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]

As I've already told you Djsasso, I won't make mistakes. Why don't you just get off my back and quit hounding me for every little thing that I do here. Unlike you, lots of other people think that I am a great asset to the Simple English Wikipedia. Sorry that you don't share their enthusiasm any longer. It's you who is missing out. Razorflame 21:31, 2 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]

And you wonder why you keep failing rfas when you attack people like this. Just because you say you won't make mistakes doesn't mean you won't. You have done so many times in the past with other tools, often causing huge clean up tasks because of things you have done wrong with your bot for example. You have a long track record of making mistakes and almost no track record of not making mistakes. wiktionary for example is still reeling from the mistakes you have littered all over it. -DJSasso (talk) 13:42, 3 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]

whynot I don't see it as a big problem, would prefer import and fix to copy and fixes. James (T C) 18:42, 2 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]

for me it's ok --vector ^_^ (talk) 07:25, 3 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Fine by me too. I've yet to see RF doing anything but his best for this Wikipedia. Importing isn't RFA. The Rambling Man (talk) 20:18, 4 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Fine Hmm, Mike raises a good point, as does DJSasso. I have seen Razor make mistakes with bot and AWB. I'm not sure, think I'll fence sit on this one. Neutral fr33kman 20:23, 4 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]

• I'm wondering: Exactly why do you need this? Admins can import the articles that you need. Giving you a right because you might need it is like giving myself the flood flag indefinitely because I might flood. Griffinofwales (talk) 05:45, 6 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]
• Since he hasn't made many errors with the tool, he can have it... though I think that 40-41 admins are sufficient to handle import requests, but I understand if he wants to perform the tasks himself. Pmlineditor ∞ 07:54, 6 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]

  Because there isn't always going to be an administrator around to import articles, and furthermore, Importers are able to import things from file, which would allow me to make a file of the pages that I need to import and then import them all at once rather than in singles. Cheers, Razorflame 07:53, 6 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]

  There will always be an administrator around to import articles. I still don't see the need for the tool. It might speed things up a little, but what are you going to be importing that would require you to import from a file? Griffinofwales (talk) 18:34, 6 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]

  Personally I don't think anyone should be importing from file. Importing should be done slowly. Doing it fast is exactly the kind of situation I am seeking to avoid. Secondly I still see little need, what will you be importing that is time sensitive that you can't wait for an admin to do it for you? ie make a list of what you want imported and wait for an admin to do it? -DJSasso (talk) 17:52, 7 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]

  You're absolutely correct. We don't import from files on WMF wikis because it is insecure. Instead, request that additional import sources be defined. – Mike.lifeguard | ^@en.wb 23:09, 7 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]

• No big deal, fine by me. –Juliancolton | ^Talk 17:33, 8 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]

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