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The outcome of this request for deletion was to  Keep. Notability established. Peterdownunder (talk) 05:23, 15 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Frans B. Van Zaelen (edit · talk · history · links · watch · logs · delete) · close request

Pure Evil has nominated this page for deletion for the reason: I do not see anything in the article or his obit that would lead to notability. Am I missing it? Pure Evil (talk) 15:34, 2 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Please discuss this request below, but keep in mind that you shouldn't vote on everything and that there may be options other than "keep" or "delete", such as merging.

• @Pure Evil:, I understand your nomination, actually I hesitated to start the article. However, after I saw he had coverage in secondary sources (at least 3 in the Het Laatste Nieuws in the last 10 years, and 8 times at Kunsttijdschrift Vlaanderen from the 1970s) I gave it a go. That made me think it was just enough to meet WP:GNG. It also looks like his works are described at page 35 of this issue? SportsOlympic (talk) 15:44, 2 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

  Do you have an enwiki page on this topic above @SportsOlympic? I will give my consent later. Dibyojyoti^{let's chat} 16:02, 2 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

@DRC-B5:, no. All articles I write at simple are “new”; none of them are articles I wrote at en-wiki. SportsOlympic (talk) 19:04, 2 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

• Remember, the presence of an article there means 2 things. 1 someone decided to write one and 2 it was not deleted (they felt it was notable or it was not noticed yet). It may hint at notability, but it does not define it. There are many subjects without an en. page that are notable but just ignored so far. Some have pages elsewhere, others are nowhere. Each subject needs to be determined on its own merits if it is notable. no other wiki. no other subject. Just this one subject. The exception being using what the community decided in another case to support the same action in a very similar case. The question here is "Is he notable and can that notability be shown" I do not have an answer for that one and brought it here for the community to answer/decide. Pure Evil (talk) 16:44, 2 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

@Pure Evil: yes, indeed. 99% of the articles I published at simple wiki didn’t have (at the time of writing) an en-wiki page. SportsOlympic (talk) 19:07, 2 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

When looking for info here, I centered on what was presented here (let others do that info search) and the HLN obit. Obits tend to be good at hyping up a persons notable past where they can. Looking here, I really did not see anything in the obit to base notability on. If they are praising him (that's what obits do) and they cannot list anything to support the praise, I have to question if there is anything to find. Pure Evil (talk) 03:47, 3 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Note that most of the information is not coming from the obit, but from the 2016 HLN article. SportsOlympic (talk) 10:14, 3 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

The only thing I saw in there that I think is notable is 'Gouden Medaille van de Franse Republiek' (Gold Medal of the French Republic). That seems like it is notable, but it is hard to say. As it, there is little other than that award to push for notability. The rest (made lots of art, worth money, gave it all to a foundation in his name) is of questionable value. The foundation could be notable but as such this would better be merged into an article for that. I am still not seeing enough for an independent article on this person. Pure Evil (talk) 20:49, 4 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

There is also receiving "the first prize of Biesme." However, the reference for that "cannot be displayed for copyright reasons." -- Auntof6 (talk) 17:02, 14 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

•  Comment: There are a couple of things mentioned that could show notability. There is "the first prize of Biesme," but the reference for that doesn't display anything. There is "Gold Medal of the French Republic," but there is no reference for that. I don't know how notable either of those things is. As for the linked obituary, I don't see anything in that that shows notability -- unless you count that he might have been important enough to have an obituary in the first place, but all kinds of people can have obituaries. --Auntof6 (talk) 17:08, 14 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Reference for the French gold medal see here; it is in the article. But note Wikipedia is not about achievements but about coverage. SportsOlympic (talk) 18:28, 14 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

This request is due to close on 15:34, 9 January 2023 (UTC), seven days after it was filed, although it may be closed earlier at the discretion of an administrator.

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