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The outcome of this request for deletion was to  Keep. This was a tough one; yes, Scots (or Lowland Scots, Lallans) is a west-Germanic language, or group of dialects. As to the numbers I have, about 30% of the people living in Scotland can at least understand it. That's where the problem starts: As I understand, Scots is a mostly spoken language today, I doubt there's an agreement on orthography (There had been in the past). I don't sepak Scots, but if I imagine that Scots and English are about as far apart as Low German (Niederdeutsch) and German, then the are quite far apart. Keeping the in mind, that Scots likely has no standardised orthography, I don't think that further redirects from Scots are meaningful.--Eptalon (talk) 22:15, 7 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Breetish folk (edit · talk · history · links · watch · logs · delete) · close request

MrMeAndMrMe has nominated this page for deletion for the reason: Scots is not the official language of britain MrMeAndMrMe_{Let's talk} 16:58, 19 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Please discuss this request below, but keep in mind that you shouldn't vote on everything and that there may be options other than "keep" or "delete", such as merging.

•  Keep - Scots is an Anglic language, native to the British Isles. -Deppiyy (talk) 17:07, 19 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Deppiyy, just because Scots is spoken in Britain, doesn't mean that there should be 100 redirects to there. Less than 1/60th of people in Britain actually speak Scots and it is an unofficial language. MrMeAndMrMe_{Let's talk} 17:13, 19 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]

When is Scots an “unofficial language”? Scots is a regional language under the European Charter for Regional or Minority Languages. Not every British person is English. - Deppiyy (talk) 17:28, 19 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Whoever mentioned England? I was saying that very few people in Britain actually speak Scots. We shouldn't have Russian people be put into French and put as a redirect because 4% of people speak French there. MrMeAndMrMe_{Let's talk} 17:35, 19 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]

According to the Scottish census, 1.541.693 people in Scotland speak Scots. That might seem like a small portion when compared to the 63.182.178 people in UK. Doesn’t mean someone should exclude minority languages. Deppiyy (talk) 17:44, 19 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]

As given in my last comment, French is a minority language in Russia. Still doesn't mean that we should make a redirect for everything relating to Russia and turn it into French MrMeAndMrMe_{Let's talk} 17:47, 19 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]

But is French a native language of Russia? Deppiyy (talk) 18:57, 19 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]

OK, fair point. Let's use Germans. There are many Germans from Russia. 6% of Russians speak German. Doesn't mean that we should do hundreds of these. I honestly don't really want to argue with you. But, please just stop making this redirects until we reach a consensus in Wikipedia talk. MrMeAndMrMe_{Let's talk} 20:25, 19 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Yep, I think Deppiyy should stop making these redirects until the Simple talk discussion but I'd also appreciate it if people the opposite side of the aisle would stop making RfDs. It'll be much easier to deal with everything at the end when we know what the community wants, instead of putting all of them to RfD, it's just as much of a waste of time as the redirects. --Ferien (talk) 23:01, 20 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]

•  Delete - Unlikely redirect, multiple interpretations. This is exactly what we are trying to avoid. Griff (talk) 18:34, 19 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]
•  Comment: it's a same thing as mentioned on Wikipedia:Requests for deletion/Requests/2022/Breetish Empire and as i commented there

  we use those kind of redirections to redirect them to their official name in simple English, for Example Россия → Russia. and Türkiye → Turkey, Ελλάδα → Greece; and many more; so Please  Keep it Thank you. 🌸 Sakura emad 💖 (talk) 10:07, 19 February 2022 (UTC)

  again we use those redirections; we shouldn't delete it, these are useful redirections which help users to search and find articles easier and has other benefits as well. 🌸 Sakura emad 💖 (talk) 18:55, 19 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]
•  Delete Discussion about these pointless redirects is ongoing. This demonstrates why redirects are not cheap. Every one of these requires checking. This one doesn't even come close to passing the test. --Gotanda (talk) 01:34, 20 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]

• They don't actually require anything, our Rfd acts like prod. If no one comments then it automatically gets soft-deleted. Zero time needs to be spent on them. They literally are cheep. That people are getting so worked up over something like redirects says more about love of arguing or being annoyed at a specific person than it does about whether or not redirects are cheap. -Djsasso (talk) 17:53, 23 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]

  •  Delete - i agree with arguments of user:Gotanda. 89.8.144.184 (talk) 08:16, 25 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]

•  Keep Scots is a regional or minority language of the UK, not official but the only official language of the UK is English, and Welsh is certainly a used language as well. It's also a native one as Deppiyy pointed out. --Ferien (talk) 17:56, 23 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep as per Ferien. -Djsasso (talk) 18:32, 23 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]
• I may be one of the few editors here who has actually lived in Scotland. I have lived in four major cities and one island. None of them would have dreamt of saying "Breetish" instead of British. The wiki is being misled, perhaps by a small number of issue-pushing people. Scots speak good English, actually better English than you will hear in many English towns. They do have accents, and some different vowel sounds (as do many parts of England) but it is a cartoon-like misrepresentation to call their speech a different language. Macdonald-ross (talk) 12:54, 25 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]

  I think you might be confusing the Scots language with Scots English. Deppiyy (talk) 12:56, 25 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]

  Keep in mind the Scots langugage has its own Wikipedia, the Scots Wikipedia. Scottish English is basically identical to English English. --Ferien (talk) 17:08, 25 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]

  @Ferien Not sure whether the content there is accurate tho. SHB2000 (talk) 08:30, 2 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

  There have been corrections to the wiki since then and its still a language, even if someone wrote some incorrect wikipedia pages. --Ferien (talk) 08:34, 2 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

  @Ferien I think they're referring to the fact that Scots is not basically identical to English and does have multiple different rules and someone can't just pick it up. MrMeAndMrMe_{Let's talk} 14:20, 3 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

  I think that's what Ferien is referring to. 1234qwer1234qwer4 (talk) 17:54, 6 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

• I need to repeat what I wrote for the neighbouring item:

What you need to appreciate is that the idea that Scots pronounce English strangely is nonsense. There are accents round the world aren't there? In the world of the past regional variations and dialects were much more noticeable. Television changed all that. I promise you that you would understand English in Scotland better than you might understand it some other places I could mention. When it comes to Gallic and Welsh, they are completely different language families. As for "Breetish", that's just a "thing" of a few editors on a small wiki. We should not go with it. It is not the way English is taught or generally spoken in Scotland. Macdonald-ross (talk) 07:41, 7 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Scots is its own language, it’s not the same as English. Deppiyy (talk) 12:52, 7 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

 Comment:According to the English Wikipedia, Welsh is the only legally official language in the UK. It is an official language in Wales. The Scottish Government has a Scots language policy^[1], but I don't know if that counts. DirkJandeGeer (talk) 14:51, 7 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

This request is due to close on 16:58, 26 February 2022 (UTC), seven days after it was filed, although it may be closed earlier at the discretion of an administrator.

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